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AzelphurIs there anything open source for VNC that doesn't suck speed wise like VNC01:09
Azelphurdon't mean to sound trolly, but stuff like teamviewer is waaaaay faster. Wondering if there's anything like that but more open :)01:10
directhexnothing fully open afaik01:11
Azelphur:(01:12
directhexdifferent VNC apps may be more efficient, but ultimately it's using a protocol called "remote frame buffer" which does exactly what it sounds like01:12
Azelphuryea01:13
ali1234X1101:28
ali1234although only if you use certain applications01:28
ali1234anything kde or gtk and you might as well use vnc01:29
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czajkowskialolha06:17
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harry_Aloha06:21
JohnRoberthi06:23
JohnRobertI'm moving back to the uk next year06:26
JohnRobertlooking forward to proper LUGs again06:26
brobostigongood morning everyone.07:06
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popey23:01:01 < AlanBell> I never managed to get onto ustream irc07:21
popeyI use irssi for that07:21
popey /connect c.ustream.tv07:22
popeythen join the channel for their show07:22
popey /join #at-home-with-jono835007:22
daubersMorning07:23
popeyhello07:24
Myrttiinfinitely amused by BF's possible Scottish ancestry today :-D07:24
Myrttigoooooood mornin07:24
AlanBellpopey: it just disconnects me07:26
AlanBelltells me it is a registered nick, doesn't let me pick another, disconnects me07:27
daubersBah, on Oneiric, if I'm uploading photos via shotwell, the model dialog stops me getting the unity dock07:45
MooDoomorning all07:56
MartijnVdSdaubers: yay modal dialogs07:56
DJonesMorning all08:06
MooDoomorning08:07
DJonesHi MooDoo, Hows your wife and the baby, all settled in?08:07
MooDooDJones: we're getting there, baby is still on australia time, but we're getting there, my first day back at work08:08
DJonesHeh, back to work for a rest then08:08
MooDooDJones: yeah :)08:08
bigcalmGood morning peeps :)08:22
JamesTaitHappy Monday, all! :)08:37
popeyAlanBell: you have to /nick user:pass08:51
popeyAlanBell: with a username/password that you have signed up to ustream with08:51
AlanBellinteresting, that is probably the bit I didn't understand08:52
popeyyeah, took me some googling to figure it out08:52
AlanBellhttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/hwe-cycle/+spec/hwe-p-live-secure-boot secure boot is going to be interesting for CDs09:44
davmor2morning all10:01
MooDoomorning davmor210:01
davmor2MooDoo: CONGRATULATIONS AND WELCOME BACK DUDE!!!!!!!!10:02
MooDoodavmor2: cheers man :)10:02
davmor2MooDoo: I've been wanting to say that for days, you know you have a computer at home ;)10:03
MooDoodavmor2: i do, but i've not used it that much over the last few weeks, and when i have been on you're not here :p10:03
davmor2man anyone would think you'd just had a baby or something not turning up for weeks on end ;)10:04
davmor2czajkowski: prod10:04
MooDoodavmor2: baby?   who's had a baby not me, i've had a pooping, crying screaming monster ;)10:04
czajkowskidavmor2: poke10:04
davmor2MooDoo: I just hope she gets her moms looks if she takes after you my god she's in trouble ;)10:05
davmor2czajkowski: Morning how's life?10:06
MooDoodavmor2: oh don't worry, both my kids don't look like me, so they are safe :)10:06
davmor2MooDoo: nice :)10:07
czajkowskidavmor2: fantastic darling, how's you ?10:07
czajkowskiMooDoo: YOU'RE BACK!!!! *HUGS*10:08
MooDooczajkowski: wow thank you, i've missed you too :D xx10:08
* AlanBell wonders if MooDoo will be allowed out on 10th November10:09
MooDooAlanBell: /me nods.....10:10
czajkowskiMooDoo: course we need you during the rugby10:10
davmor2czajkowski: I'm good thanks start my new role in canonical today which is odd cause we're seeing no change in process currently :D10:10
MooDoodavmor2: loo cleaner?10:11
MooDoobeen promoted?10:11
MooDooczajkowski: :)10:11
davmor2MooDoo: No our team got split in 2 so I'm sole qa for the one team10:12
MooDoodavmor2: well have fun :D10:12
czajkowskidavmor2: so thats the area to avoid eh10:13
davmor2MooDoo: I just get to break stuff like normal :)10:13
MooDoodavmor2: easy job :)10:13
davmor2MooDoo: for me yeap10:13
MooDooczajkowski: how is your job going?10:13
czajkowskiliking it10:14
czajkowskigetting to do stuff which I've not done before and it's interesting10:14
MooDooczajkowski: ace :)10:14
daubersUrgh, just had the technical lead of another company ask me how to do a port forward :(10:15
czajkowskiyeah tis cool. kinda weird doing stuf but learning new things10:15
MooDooczajkowski: did i read somewhere it's a 6 month contract?10:16
smittixo/10:20
czajkowskiMooDoo: 410:23
czajkowskiis daper still supported???10:25
popeyczajkowski: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases10:26
popey"no"10:27
czajkowskipopey: thanks10:28
czajkowskiI was sure of that10:28
czajkowskibut someone is installing it and having issue10:28
czajkowski*issues10:28
Dave2Solution: install something that's not 5 years old10:30
czajkowskiindeed10:31
czajkowskiI'm sure there is a valid reason...10:31
TheOpenSourcererJust a quick heads up on a dubious sounding Inkscape project asking for donations... http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=2814228010:34
TheOpenSourcerer$800 to develop a comprehensive PDF exporter with full CYMK separation. Core dev reckoned it would cost $30k10:35
czajkowskireason for dapper useage: I want to run a piece of software which was compiled back in 2002, it is closed source so I cannot recompile.10:46
MartijnVdSczajkowski: That should still work. You might have to install some libraries from Dapper, but that's it10:57
MartijnVdSczajkowski: (libfoo2 instead of the currently-available libfoo3 or libfoo4, for example -- but those don't clash, so it shouldn't break uprades etc.)10:57
* MartijnVdS runs Python 2.5 like that10:57
czajkowskiXUL Runner has stopped working - lovely my last 3 drawings just vanished!!!!11:10
jpdsPaint uses XUL Runner?11:11
czajkowskiPencil does11:16
directhexnever embed mozilla11:17
directhexever11:17
directhexit always ends in tears11:17
bloodearnestMonotoko: hey - just signed up to the Leeds Ubuntu party at north bar - is that your gig?11:20
popeyczajkowski: what app?11:27
czajkowskiPEncil11:36
AlanBellpencil is open source!11:37
popeyhttp://pencil.evolus.vn/en-US/Home.aspx that?11:43
AlanBellI think the app requiring dapper is not pencil and czajkowski is talking about two different things11:44
popeyah11:44
popeyyes, I was referring to 11:46:38 < czajkowski> reason for dapper useage: I want to run a piece of software which was compiled back in 2002, it is closed source so I cannot recompile.11:44
czajkowskipopey: he didnt say he's on the -ie list11:47
popeyoh, i thought it was you11:47
czajkowskinope11:48
czajkowskiI know better11:48
czajkowskistick to current then ask for help11:48
czajkowski:011:48
czajkowski:)11:48
davmor2czajkowski: Liar :P11:48
chamboDoes anyone have any idea where Empathy puts its logs?12:22
chamboTried in .gnome2 and /var/logs but can't find anything12:22
chamboI'm having trouble with MSN - it doesn't send my messages even though I am connected and people can send me messages12:24
dauberspopey: Sorry about that.... I seem to require more coffee than normal today12:37
jpdschambo: .telepathy ?12:37
chamboin ~ ?12:38
chamboDon't know why everyone can't just put logs in .logs or something like that12:39
chamboand config in .config12:39
chamboOh and make it so that when I upgrade my distribution, my existing dotfiles don't make gnome go completely bonkers12:41
chambo /rant12:41
chamboI can't find .telepathy anywhere... :(12:42
directhextelepathy is a frontend to empathy12:54
MartijnVdSbackend12:54
directhexer, other way round12:54
directhexand i don't know how much logging telepathy has by default12:54
MartijnVdSit's probably in .config or .cache12:54
directhexwhich msn backend are you using? there are three iirc?12:54
MartijnVdStelepathy-butterfly and the one from Pidgin (libpurple), afaik?12:57
chamboIt'll be whatever is installed by default with ubuntu12:58
davmor2chambo: there is .cache/empathy  .local/share/telepathy .missioncontrol (or word to that effect) .config/empathy12:59
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chamboHmm nothing in any of those locations13:01
chamboI'll try just running from a terminal13:01
davmor2chambo: there is also a logging terminal in empathy itself under help→debug iirc13:02
chambodavmor2, Thanks I'll have a look now13:03
* popey tickles TheOpenSourcerer 13:04
chamboBy the way does anyone use Synapse? https://launchpad.net/synapse-project13:04
chamboI'm really impressed with it13:04
* TheOpenSourcerer wishes popey wouldn't. Especially my feet! 13:05
chamboProbably not as complete as Gnome-do but has far less package dependencies13:06
TheOpenSourcererWazzup popey ?13:06
popeyany news TheOpenSourcerer ?13:12
popey:D13:12
TheOpenSourcererhah. It's not looking promising. Saw him in the pub on Friday eve...13:12
popeyuhoh13:14
popeyhe's chucked them on ebay?13:14
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JGJonesWould anyone know where the config files for Rapid Photo Downloader would be kept? Want to restore from a backup but haven't a clue where they would be kept?16:15
Adriannomhi16:53
roro2020heloo16:53
roro2020Sorry I need your help to solve gcc problem in ubuntu 11.0416:54
roro2020I'm using Matlab2011 wihch required gcc4.3.4  while my gcc is 4.516:55
roro2020How to solve it?16:55
Adriannombest (easiest?) way of implementing roaming profiles?  maybe symlink /home to /local/home, sync the two, then mount the home dir on the server over the /home symlink?  will that even work without problem?16:55
roro2020How to solve it?16:57
Adriannomno idea i'm afraid :|16:57
Adriannomdoes anyone here use them at all?17:09
MartijnVdSat work we use a shared nfs mount in some places (but not all)17:25
MartijnVdSNFS Mount + automounting17:25
AdriannomMartijnVdS, so multiple clients updating the same home dir?17:26
MartijnVdSyes17:26
Adriannomahh, i tried that and had loads of problems.  i was led to believe it was because ubuntu doesn't like two machines working live from the same home dir, something to do with config files...  guess that is wrong?17:27
MartijnVdSOnly if you do it at the same time17:27
MartijnVdSdon't log in twice  (unless in text mode)17:28
Adriannommultiple machines will be logged in as the same user17:28
Adriannomright...  that'd probably be a problem.  i am usually literally roaming around the house using the same stuff on different machines while i'm doing other things17:30
MartijnVdSI'd jsut put the stuff that needs to be shared on a nas somewhere17:31
Adriannomall my data is on a nas already, but i want the settings to be synced between all machines (and a change on one propagate to all), including other users (who are not tech savvy)17:34
Adriannomreckon there is a solution?17:35
Adriannomor do you reckon the idea with the symlink would work?17:37
Adriannomi would tias, but it was damn hard to tell that anything was up at all until i lost data.17:37
Adriannom(last time i tried this, that is)17:37
dauberslo17:42
sammm1HazRPG: I had such a sore arse last night. :(17:44
daubers....17:44
dauberstalk about walking into the wrong conversation17:45
sammm1daubers: It's not what it sounds like.17:50
sammm1daubers: Just a medical condition HazRPG and I have.17:50
AlanBellsammm1: you might want to discuss it somewhere without googleable log files17:53
Adriannomcan you get multiple rdp sessions viewing the same desktop?  or alternatively can you get a wyse linux thin client to use vnc?17:53
shaunohm.  blender just ate 52GB of swap before my machine ground to a halt.  I think I need a plan B.17:56
mgdmheh17:57
mgdmYou have 52GB of swap? Wow :D17:57
AzelphurClearly you need more swap17:57
shaunoosx, so it just keeps creating swap files until it runs out of /17:58
shauno(bit like swapd on linux, rather than using partitions)17:58
mgdmAh17:58
sammm1AlanBell: That's why I added him on Facebook. :)18:01
ali1234why did my irony meter just explode?18:03
Adriannomwhy did my rhetorical meter just explode?18:06
sammm1HazRPG: The Doctor has had over 1,000 years to perfect his interpersonal skills. xxxxxxx18:25
sammm1ali1234, Adriannom: WTF are you two talkin' 'bout?18:26
sammm1HazRPG: Amelia Pond is so fit for a ginger!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!118:28
AlanBellsammm1: that is offtopic and not really appropriate18:32
AlanBellsammm1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVN_0qvuhhw18:33
sammm1AlanBell: What's offtopic? Why did you send me that link?18:34
sammm1AlanBell: Instead of directing my messages at specific people, should I be PMing them? Sorry, I'm new to IRC and haven't fully learnt the etiquette yet.18:35
AlanBellbecause it is a nice way of telling you about one of the ways you went astray :)18:35
AlanBellyou can PM people (if they are cool with that), or use an appropriate channel, such as #ubuntu-offtopic or #defocus18:36
sammm1AlanBell: This channel isn't particularly active ATM, so I don't see how my deviation from the Ubuntu topic will harm the flow of public chat 'n' dat.18:38
AlanBellit isn't the level of activity that is relevant, we try and keep it family friendly and respectful at all times, and you were getting a bit close to the edge18:41
AlanBell!coc18:41
lubotu3The Ubuntu Code of Conduct is a community etiquette document to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere, and can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/ | For information on how to electronically sign the CoC, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SigningCodeofConduct18:41
daubersAlanBell: Good to see the "Happy hours" are taking off18:43
AlanBellyeah, really pleased at the enthusiasm for other locations and a regular meet in London18:43
AlanBellthink another name is required for that though18:43
daubers\o/ I'm quite looking forward to the farnborough one, as that'll be the first I can make18:44
sammm1Are there any meets in Wales/ the west midlands? I might come and see you guys :D18:45
daubersMight try and goto the one at the turf18:45
sammm1Because I am in Swansea ATM18:45
AlanBellhttp://ubuntu-uk.org/happy-hour/18:46
sammm1AlanBell: I'm sorry, I will make a concious effort to keep my non-family-friendly chat to private-converations from now on.18:46
AlanBellone over in Bristol on the list18:46
sammm1Bristol is near me :D18:46
AlanBellthanks sammm1 :)18:46
sammm1What will we do there?18:46
AlanBelldrink tasty beer mostly18:46
sammm1Hahaahahahhahaha18:46
sammm1Sounds fun18:46
sammm1But not many people like me :(18:47
jacobwhow is that?18:47
sammm1I'm socially awkand and shy and stuff :(18:47
sammm1What  date is the Bristol meet?18:47
sammm1I do like beer :)18:47
sammm1And I like contests of strength, gaming and workin' out :D18:47
AlanBellBristol doesn't have a date yet18:48
jacobwmost linux users are sammm1 ;)18:48
sammm1AlanBell: What website page will have the information of the date?18:48
AlanBellthat one http://ubuntu-uk.org/happy-hour/18:49
sammm1I use Windows mostly ATM. I'm a terrible person :(18:49
AlanBelland on the mailing list18:49
sammm1AlanBell: What's the place?18:49
sammm1The place called18:50
AlanBelllook at the list :)18:50
sammm1AlanBell: I am, but they're all random namjes but don't say where they are18:50
sammm1AlanBell: Which one is the Bristol one?18:50
AlanBellpostcode starts with BS18:50
sammm1AlanBell: Nova Scotia Hotel?18:50
sammm1Everything has to be a massive puzzle challenge with you people.18:51
AlanBellyup18:51
sammm1Gawd18:51
AlanBellwonder if that highlights Pendulum18:51
jacobwpuzzles are fun :P18:52
PendulumAlanBell: no, I don't have "Scotia" on highlight18:52
PendulumAlanBell: it's bad enough when people talk about Penny Arcade :-/18:53
shaunoyou're a newfie?18:53
jacobwi love the way the cheifs in spooks go on operations by themselves18:53
sammm1Puzzles are frustrating, and Pendulum is an okay drum 'n' bass group.18:54
Pendulumshauno: no, my cat's name is Scotia and she likes to IRC18:54
shaunoheh, that's .. a new one18:54
jacobwwhy is a raven like a writing desk?18:55
Pendulumshauno: she's 3 months old and laptop keyboards have great interest to her. She manages to PM people or quit me depending on her mood18:56
sammm1Pendulum: Penny Arcade is for casual noobs18:57
sammm1HazRPG: What a rubbish episode of Doctor Who......18:58
MartijnVdSsammm1: you're a bit of a complainer, aren't you? :)18:58
shaunoyou'd be too, if you were in swansea :p18:59
MartijnVdSsammm1: j.p.c18:59
MartijnVdSuhr18:59
MartijnVdSshauno:18:59
sammm1HazRPG: Maybe I've been too drunk to be interested in the latest episode, but maybe it's just rubbish?19:02
sammm1MartijnVdS: Sorry, the internet is a conveniant place to ventilate my frustrations.19:03
sammm1MartijnVdS: I've asked my friend if he would be interested in a physical confrontation later, but he probably won't be interested. :19:03
sammm1:(19:03
* TheOpenSourcerer heads off to watch some TV. Catch you all tomorrow. :-)19:14
MartijnVdS\o19:14
sammm1Martinp23: Do you enjoy a good hand-2-hand physical confrontation 'n' dat? xx19:17
jacobwhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-1506031019:26
jacobwi think the LHC is destroying probable universes19:26
daubersWhats a good UI design tool?19:48
AlanBellpencil, ask czajkowski for help with it :)19:48
brobostigona pencil and paper.19:49
daubersAlanBell: It doesn't work in oneiric :)19:49
AlanBelloooh, why not?19:49
daubersNot compatible with FF719:49
czajkowskiaye19:49
czajkowskidaubers: download and install from desktop19:49
czajkowskiit crashes on windows though19:49
czajkowskithe plugin doesn't work on anything after FF319:49
daubersczajkowski: I did.....19:50
czajkowskihmm19:50
czajkowskiodd19:50
daubersAh, you mean the standalone thing not the extension19:50
daubers(didn't see that the first time)19:50
daubersStill no work... "Could not find compatible GRE between version 1.9.1 and 1.9.2.*."19:52
czajkowskidaubers: there is also a thingy call balisque or soemthing19:54
czajkowskihmm19:54
czajkowskifree 7 day trial19:54
daubersMight just install glade and jsut throw a few experiments together19:55
AlanBellbalsamiq19:55
czajkowskiyup that19:55
AlanBellposh vinegar19:55
daubersQuite nice on salad19:56
* daubers installs glade20:00
SuprEngrhas anyone else using Evolution for mail noticed: since G= went 'live'... the gmail accounrt attached can only be used  via gmail web & evoloution = password fail?20:06
SuprEngr*g+20:07
KrimZonI use my Gmail via IMAP with Thunderbird20:07
SuprEngryeh - that still works fine... web only not evoloution access.20:08
popeyEvening all!20:08
SuprEngreveninks popey20:09
* SuprEngr wonders how many of suggestions from popey 20:10
dauberso/ popey20:10
SuprEngrpopey's mail get taken up in 12.0420:10
SuprEngrdaubers, stop inturrupting my broken sentence ;D20:11
daubersSuprEngr: Stop talking20:11
daubersSuprEngr: Like20:11
daubersSuprEngr: Bill Shatner20:11
* SuprEngr sulks20:11
SuprEngr[beam me up]20:11
daubersHmmm.... glade has some different controls since I last used it20:12
daubersalso, now I broked it20:13
ubuntuuk-planet[Jono Bacon] Bacon And Coffee Powered World Record - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/09/26/bacon-and-coffee-powered-world-record/20:14
daubersisn't zentyal what ebox was?20:15
shaunopretty much20:16
popeyooo Bill shatner you say?20:17
popeyhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HU2ftCitvyQ20:18
popeythat shut everyone up ☺20:20
SuprEngr... 'cept me! why the rubber duck *is* he climbing that mounting? jump -shatner -jump!20:21
SuprEngr(mounting was his pronunciation -not mine. I assume he's climbing a mountain -jump , bill, jump20:23
daubersWhy? Why do people build things like ebox in perl?20:25
dwatkinsJust to make you ask, daubers.20:27
SuprEngrback to my earlier comment re Evolution & Gmail - bug report time me wonders? or just leave it now Thunderbird is default.20:29
daubersSuprEngr: I'd bug report it, if it's not already. Evolution will still be available, just not default20:30
SuprEngrbug report it is20:30
shaunoyou haven't turned 2fa on for your google account, have you ?20:31
* daubers goes on a rant20:37
SuprEngrshauno - no change mage to google a/c20:40
SuprEngr*made20:40
ikoniaearly to bed for #ubuntu-uk tonight it seems21:10
SuprEngr"Time for bed", said Zebbedee21:12
ikoniait would appear that way21:13
* SuprEngr goes to zzzz land & dreams of podcasts yet to be heard ;)21:13
sammm1ikonia: Haha you're funny. Are you going to Bristol? xxx22:36
directhexi'm too awake to sleep. far too early for me22:38
ikoniadirecthex: me too22:46
directhexi am also in the middle of nowhere22:47
directhexwhich is unhelpful22:47
ikoniadirecthex: accommadation close to office ?22:47
directhexikonia, that was the theory. but they already sold my reservation, so shipped me to a golf course on the A1422:48
ikoniaI trust standard rage procedure was deployed at said hotel vendor22:50
* AlanBell recalls directhex's standard hotel rage procedure23:04
The_FredIm curiours, whats is directhex's s.h.r.p ?23:09
* The_Fred cant spell today23:09
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