[01:09] <Azelphur> Is there anything open source for VNC that doesn't suck speed wise like VNC
[01:10] <Azelphur> don't mean to sound trolly, but stuff like teamviewer is waaaaay faster. Wondering if there's anything like that but more open :)
[01:11] <directhex> nothing fully open afaik
[01:12] <Azelphur> :(
[01:12] <directhex> different VNC apps may be more efficient, but ultimately it's using a protocol called "remote frame buffer" which does exactly what it sounds like
[01:13] <Azelphur> yea
[01:28] <ali1234> X11
[01:28] <ali1234> although only if you use certain applications
[01:29] <ali1234> anything kde or gtk and you might as well use vnc
[06:17] <czajkowski> alolha
[06:21] <harry_> Aloha
[06:23] <JohnRobert> hi
[06:26] <JohnRobert> I'm moving back to the uk next year
[06:26] <JohnRobert> looking forward to proper LUGs again
[07:06] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[07:21] <popey> 23:01:01 < AlanBell> I never managed to get onto ustream irc
[07:21] <popey> I use irssi for that
[07:22] <popey>  /connect c.ustream.tv
[07:22] <popey> then join the channel for their show
[07:22] <popey>  /join #at-home-with-jono8350
[07:23] <daubers> Morning
[07:24] <popey> hello
[07:24] <Myrtti> infinitely amused by BF's possible Scottish ancestry today :-D
[07:24] <Myrtti> goooooood mornin
[07:26] <AlanBell> popey: it just disconnects me
[07:27] <AlanBell> tells me it is a registered nick, doesn't let me pick another, disconnects me
[07:45] <daubers> Bah, on Oneiric, if I'm uploading photos via shotwell, the model dialog stops me getting the unity dock
[07:56] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:56] <MartijnVdS> daubers: yay modal dialogs
[08:06] <DJones> Morning all
[08:07] <MooDoo> morning
[08:07] <DJones> Hi MooDoo, Hows your wife and the baby, all settled in?
[08:08] <MooDoo> DJones: we're getting there, baby is still on australia time, but we're getting there, my first day back at work
[08:08] <DJones> Heh, back to work for a rest then
[08:08] <MooDoo> DJones: yeah :)
[08:22] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:37] <JamesTait> Happy Monday, all! :)
[08:51] <popey> AlanBell: you have to /nick user:pass
[08:51] <popey> AlanBell: with a username/password that you have signed up to ustream with
[08:52] <AlanBell> interesting, that is probably the bit I didn't understand
[08:52] <popey> yeah, took me some googling to figure it out
[09:44] <AlanBell> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/hwe-cycle/+spec/hwe-p-live-secure-boot secure boot is going to be interesting for CDs
[10:01] <davmor2> morning all
[10:01] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[10:02] <davmor2> MooDoo: CONGRATULATIONS AND WELCOME BACK DUDE!!!!!!!!
[10:02] <MooDoo> davmor2: cheers man :)
[10:03] <davmor2> MooDoo: I've been wanting to say that for days, you know you have a computer at home ;)
[10:03] <MooDoo> davmor2: i do, but i've not used it that much over the last few weeks, and when i have been on you're not here :p
[10:04] <davmor2> man anyone would think you'd just had a baby or something not turning up for weeks on end ;)
[10:04] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod
[10:04] <MooDoo> davmor2: baby?   who's had a baby not me, i've had a pooping, crying screaming monster ;)
[10:04] <czajkowski> davmor2: poke
[10:05] <davmor2> MooDoo: I just hope she gets her moms looks if she takes after you my god she's in trouble ;)
[10:06] <davmor2> czajkowski: Morning how's life?
[10:06] <MooDoo> davmor2: oh don't worry, both my kids don't look like me, so they are safe :)
[10:07] <davmor2> MooDoo: nice :)
[10:07] <czajkowski> davmor2: fantastic darling, how's you ?
[10:08] <czajkowski> MooDoo: YOU'RE BACK!!!! *HUGS*
[10:08] <MooDoo> czajkowski: wow thank you, i've missed you too :D xx
[10:09]  * AlanBell wonders if MooDoo will be allowed out on 10th November
[10:10] <MooDoo> AlanBell: /me nods.....
[10:10] <czajkowski> MooDoo: course we need you during the rugby
[10:10] <davmor2> czajkowski: I'm good thanks start my new role in canonical today which is odd cause we're seeing no change in process currently :D
[10:11] <MooDoo> davmor2: loo cleaner?
[10:11] <MooDoo> been promoted?
[10:11] <MooDoo> czajkowski: :)
[10:12] <davmor2> MooDoo: No our team got split in 2 so I'm sole qa for the one team
[10:12] <MooDoo> davmor2: well have fun :D
[10:13] <czajkowski> davmor2: so thats the area to avoid eh
[10:13] <davmor2> MooDoo: I just get to break stuff like normal :)
[10:13] <MooDoo> davmor2: easy job :)
[10:13] <davmor2> MooDoo: for me yeap
[10:13] <MooDoo> czajkowski: how is your job going?
[10:14] <czajkowski> liking it
[10:14] <czajkowski> getting to do stuff which I've not done before and it's interesting
[10:14] <MooDoo> czajkowski: ace :)
[10:15] <daubers> Urgh, just had the technical lead of another company ask me how to do a port forward :(
[10:15] <czajkowski> yeah tis cool. kinda weird doing stuf but learning new things
[10:16] <MooDoo> czajkowski: did i read somewhere it's a 6 month contract?
[10:20] <smittix> o/
[10:23] <czajkowski> MooDoo: 4
[10:25] <czajkowski> is daper still supported???
[10:26] <popey> czajkowski: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[10:27] <popey> "no"
[10:28] <czajkowski> popey: thanks
[10:28] <czajkowski> I was sure of that
[10:28] <czajkowski> but someone is installing it and having issue
[10:28] <czajkowski> *issues
[10:30] <Dave2> Solution: install something that's not 5 years old
[10:31] <czajkowski> indeed
[10:31] <czajkowski> I'm sure there is a valid reason...
[10:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> Just a quick heads up on a dubious sounding Inkscape project asking for donations... http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=28142280
[10:35] <TheOpenSourcerer> $800 to develop a comprehensive PDF exporter with full CYMK separation. Core dev reckoned it would cost $30k
[10:46] <czajkowski> reason for dapper useage: I want to run a piece of software which was compiled back in 2002, it is closed source so I cannot recompile.
[10:57] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: That should still work. You might have to install some libraries from Dapper, but that's it
[10:57] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: (libfoo2 instead of the currently-available libfoo3 or libfoo4, for example -- but those don't clash, so it shouldn't break uprades etc.)
[10:57]  * MartijnVdS runs Python 2.5 like that
[11:10] <czajkowski> XUL Runner has stopped working - lovely my last 3 drawings just vanished!!!!
[11:11] <jpds> Paint uses XUL Runner?
[11:16] <czajkowski> Pencil does
[11:17] <directhex> never embed mozilla
[11:17] <directhex> ever
[11:17] <directhex> it always ends in tears
[11:20] <bloodearnest> Monotoko: hey - just signed up to the Leeds Ubuntu party at north bar - is that your gig?
[11:27] <popey> czajkowski: what app?
[11:36] <czajkowski> PEncil
[11:37] <AlanBell> pencil is open source!
[11:43] <popey> http://pencil.evolus.vn/en-US/Home.aspx that?
[11:44] <AlanBell> I think the app requiring dapper is not pencil and czajkowski is talking about two different things
[11:44] <popey> ah
[11:44] <popey> yes, I was referring to 11:46:38 < czajkowski> reason for dapper useage: I want to run a piece of software which was compiled back in 2002, it is closed source so I cannot recompile.
[11:47] <czajkowski> popey: he didnt say he's on the -ie list
[11:47] <popey> oh, i thought it was you
[11:48] <czajkowski> nope
[11:48] <czajkowski> I know better
[11:48] <czajkowski> stick to current then ask for help
[11:48] <czajkowski> :0
[11:48] <czajkowski> :)
[11:48] <davmor2> czajkowski: Liar :P
[12:22] <chambo> Does anyone have any idea where Empathy puts its logs?
[12:22] <chambo> Tried in .gnome2 and /var/logs but can't find anything
[12:24] <chambo> I'm having trouble with MSN - it doesn't send my messages even though I am connected and people can send me messages
[12:37] <daubers> popey: Sorry about that.... I seem to require more coffee than normal today
[12:37] <jpds> chambo: .telepathy ?
[12:38] <chambo> in ~ ?
[12:39] <chambo> Don't know why everyone can't just put logs in .logs or something like that
[12:39] <chambo> and config in .config
[12:41] <chambo> Oh and make it so that when I upgrade my distribution, my existing dotfiles don't make gnome go completely bonkers
[12:41] <chambo>  /rant
[12:42] <chambo> I can't find .telepathy anywhere... :(
[12:54] <directhex> telepathy is a frontend to empathy
[12:54] <MartijnVdS> backend
[12:54] <directhex> er, other way round
[12:54] <directhex> and i don't know how much logging telepathy has by default
[12:54] <MartijnVdS> it's probably in .config or .cache
[12:54] <directhex> which msn backend are you using? there are three iirc?
[12:57] <MartijnVdS> telepathy-butterfly and the one from Pidgin (libpurple), afaik?
[12:58] <chambo> It'll be whatever is installed by default with ubuntu
[12:59] <davmor2> chambo: there is .cache/empathy  .local/share/telepathy .missioncontrol (or word to that effect) .config/empathy
[13:01] <chambo> Hmm nothing in any of those locations
[13:01] <chambo> I'll try just running from a terminal
[13:02] <davmor2> chambo: there is also a logging terminal in empathy itself under help→debug iirc
[13:03] <chambo> davmor2, Thanks I'll have a look now
[13:04]  * popey tickles TheOpenSourcerer 
[13:04] <chambo> By the way does anyone use Synapse? https://launchpad.net/synapse-project
[13:04] <chambo> I'm really impressed with it
[13:05]  * TheOpenSourcerer wishes popey wouldn't. Especially my feet! 
[13:06] <chambo> Probably not as complete as Gnome-do but has far less package dependencies
[13:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> Wazzup popey ?
[13:12] <popey> any news TheOpenSourcerer ?
[13:12] <popey> :D
[13:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> hah. It's not looking promising. Saw him in the pub on Friday eve...
[13:14] <popey> uhoh
[13:14] <popey> he's chucked them on ebay?
[16:15] <JGJones> Would anyone know where the config files for Rapid Photo Downloader would be kept? Want to restore from a backup but haven't a clue where they would be kept?
[16:53] <Adriannom> hi
[16:53] <roro2020> heloo
[16:54] <roro2020> Sorry I need your help to solve gcc problem in ubuntu 11.04
[16:55] <roro2020> I'm using Matlab2011 wihch required gcc4.3.4  while my gcc is 4.5
[16:55] <roro2020> How to solve it?
[16:55] <Adriannom> best (easiest?) way of implementing roaming profiles?  maybe symlink /home to /local/home, sync the two, then mount the home dir on the server over the /home symlink?  will that even work without problem?
[16:57] <roro2020> How to solve it?
[16:57] <Adriannom> no idea i'm afraid :|
[17:09] <Adriannom> does anyone here use them at all?
[17:25] <MartijnVdS> at work we use a shared nfs mount in some places (but not all)
[17:25] <MartijnVdS> NFS Mount + automounting
[17:26] <Adriannom> MartijnVdS, so multiple clients updating the same home dir?
[17:26] <MartijnVdS> yes
[17:27] <Adriannom> ahh, i tried that and had loads of problems.  i was led to believe it was because ubuntu doesn't like two machines working live from the same home dir, something to do with config files...  guess that is wrong?
[17:27] <MartijnVdS> Only if you do it at the same time
[17:28] <MartijnVdS> don't log in twice  (unless in text mode)
[17:28] <Adriannom> multiple machines will be logged in as the same user
[17:30] <Adriannom> right...  that'd probably be a problem.  i am usually literally roaming around the house using the same stuff on different machines while i'm doing other things
[17:31] <MartijnVdS> I'd jsut put the stuff that needs to be shared on a nas somewhere
[17:34] <Adriannom> all my data is on a nas already, but i want the settings to be synced between all machines (and a change on one propagate to all), including other users (who are not tech savvy)
[17:35] <Adriannom> reckon there is a solution?
[17:37] <Adriannom> or do you reckon the idea with the symlink would work?
[17:37] <Adriannom> i would tias, but it was damn hard to tell that anything was up at all until i lost data.
[17:37] <Adriannom> (last time i tried this, that is)
[17:42] <daubers> lo
[17:44] <sammm1> HazRPG: I had such a sore arse last night. :(
[17:44] <daubers> ....
[17:45] <daubers> talk about walking into the wrong conversation
[17:50] <sammm1> daubers: It's not what it sounds like.
[17:50] <sammm1> daubers: Just a medical condition HazRPG and I have.
[17:53] <AlanBell> sammm1: you might want to discuss it somewhere without googleable log files
[17:53] <Adriannom> can you get multiple rdp sessions viewing the same desktop?  or alternatively can you get a wyse linux thin client to use vnc?
[17:56] <shauno> hm.  blender just ate 52GB of swap before my machine ground to a halt.  I think I need a plan B.
[17:57] <mgdm> heh
[17:57] <mgdm> You have 52GB of swap? Wow :D
[17:57] <Azelphur> Clearly you need more swap
[17:58] <shauno> osx, so it just keeps creating swap files until it runs out of /
[17:58] <shauno> (bit like swapd on linux, rather than using partitions)
[17:58] <mgdm> Ah
[18:01] <sammm1> AlanBell: That's why I added him on Facebook. :)
[18:03] <ali1234> why did my irony meter just explode?
[18:06] <Adriannom> why did my rhetorical meter just explode?
[18:25] <sammm1> HazRPG: The Doctor has had over 1,000 years to perfect his interpersonal skills. xxxxxxx
[18:26] <sammm1> ali1234, Adriannom: WTF are you two talkin' 'bout?
[18:28] <sammm1> HazRPG: Amelia Pond is so fit for a ginger!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[18:32] <AlanBell> sammm1: that is offtopic and not really appropriate
[18:33] <AlanBell> sammm1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVN_0qvuhhw
[18:34] <sammm1> AlanBell: What's offtopic? Why did you send me that link?
[18:35] <sammm1> AlanBell: Instead of directing my messages at specific people, should I be PMing them? Sorry, I'm new to IRC and haven't fully learnt the etiquette yet.
[18:35] <AlanBell> because it is a nice way of telling you about one of the ways you went astray :)
[18:36] <AlanBell> you can PM people (if they are cool with that), or use an appropriate channel, such as #ubuntu-offtopic or #defocus
[18:38] <sammm1> AlanBell: This channel isn't particularly active ATM, so I don't see how my deviation from the Ubuntu topic will harm the flow of public chat 'n' dat.
[18:41] <AlanBell> it isn't the level of activity that is relevant, we try and keep it family friendly and respectful at all times, and you were getting a bit close to the edge
[18:41] <AlanBell> !coc
[18:43] <daubers> AlanBell: Good to see the "Happy hours" are taking off
[18:43] <AlanBell> yeah, really pleased at the enthusiasm for other locations and a regular meet in London
[18:43] <AlanBell> think another name is required for that though
[18:44] <daubers> \o/ I'm quite looking forward to the farnborough one, as that'll be the first I can make
[18:45] <sammm1> Are there any meets in Wales/ the west midlands? I might come and see you guys :D
[18:45] <daubers> Might try and goto the one at the turf
[18:45] <sammm1> Because I am in Swansea ATM
[18:46] <AlanBell> http://ubuntu-uk.org/happy-hour/
[18:46] <sammm1> AlanBell: I'm sorry, I will make a concious effort to keep my non-family-friendly chat to private-converations from now on.
[18:46] <AlanBell> one over in Bristol on the list
[18:46] <sammm1> Bristol is near me :D
[18:46] <AlanBell> thanks sammm1 :)
[18:46] <sammm1> What will we do there?
[18:46] <AlanBell> drink tasty beer mostly
[18:46] <sammm1> Hahaahahahhahaha
[18:46] <sammm1> Sounds fun
[18:47] <sammm1> But not many people like me :(
[18:47] <jacobw> how is that?
[18:47] <sammm1> I'm socially awkand and shy and stuff :(
[18:47] <sammm1> What  date is the Bristol meet?
[18:47] <sammm1> I do like beer :)
[18:47] <sammm1> And I like contests of strength, gaming and workin' out :D
[18:48] <AlanBell> Bristol doesn't have a date yet
[18:48] <jacobw> most linux users are sammm1 ;)
[18:48] <sammm1> AlanBell: What website page will have the information of the date?
[18:49] <AlanBell> that one http://ubuntu-uk.org/happy-hour/
[18:49] <sammm1> I use Windows mostly ATM. I'm a terrible person :(
[18:49] <AlanBell> and on the mailing list
[18:49] <sammm1> AlanBell: What's the place?
[18:50] <sammm1> The place called
[18:50] <AlanBell> look at the list :)
[18:50] <sammm1> AlanBell: I am, but they're all random namjes but don't say where they are
[18:50] <sammm1> AlanBell: Which one is the Bristol one?
[18:50] <AlanBell> postcode starts with BS
[18:50] <sammm1> AlanBell: Nova Scotia Hotel?
[18:51] <sammm1> Everything has to be a massive puzzle challenge with you people.
[18:51] <AlanBell> yup
[18:51] <sammm1> Gawd
[18:51] <AlanBell> wonder if that highlights Pendulum
[18:52] <jacobw> puzzles are fun :P
[18:52] <Pendulum> AlanBell: no, I don't have "Scotia" on highlight
[18:53] <Pendulum> AlanBell: it's bad enough when people talk about Penny Arcade :-/
[18:53] <shauno> you're a newfie?
[18:53] <jacobw> i love the way the cheifs in spooks go on operations by themselves
[18:54] <sammm1> Puzzles are frustrating, and Pendulum is an okay drum 'n' bass group.
[18:54] <Pendulum> shauno: no, my cat's name is Scotia and she likes to IRC
[18:54] <shauno> heh, that's .. a new one
[18:55] <jacobw> why is a raven like a writing desk?
[18:56] <Pendulum> shauno: she's 3 months old and laptop keyboards have great interest to her. She manages to PM people or quit me depending on her mood
[18:57] <sammm1> Pendulum: Penny Arcade is for casual noobs
[18:58] <sammm1> HazRPG: What a rubbish episode of Doctor Who......
[18:58] <MartijnVdS> sammm1: you're a bit of a complainer, aren't you? :)
[18:59] <shauno> you'd be too, if you were in swansea :p
[18:59] <MartijnVdS> sammm1: j.p.c
[18:59] <MartijnVdS> uhr
[18:59] <MartijnVdS> shauno:
[19:02] <sammm1> HazRPG: Maybe I've been too drunk to be interested in the latest episode, but maybe it's just rubbish?
[19:03] <sammm1> MartijnVdS: Sorry, the internet is a conveniant place to ventilate my frustrations.
[19:03] <sammm1> MartijnVdS: I've asked my friend if he would be interested in a physical confrontation later, but he probably won't be interested. :
[19:03] <sammm1> :(
[19:14]  * TheOpenSourcerer heads off to watch some TV. Catch you all tomorrow. :-)
[19:14] <MartijnVdS> \o
[19:17] <sammm1> Martinp23: Do you enjoy a good hand-2-hand physical confrontation 'n' dat? xx
[19:26] <jacobw> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-15060310
[19:26] <jacobw> i think the LHC is destroying probable universes
[19:48] <daubers> Whats a good UI design tool?
[19:48] <AlanBell> pencil, ask czajkowski for help with it :)
[19:49] <brobostigon> a pencil and paper.
[19:49] <daubers> AlanBell: It doesn't work in oneiric :)
[19:49] <AlanBell> oooh, why not?
[19:49] <daubers> Not compatible with FF7
[19:49] <czajkowski> aye
[19:49] <czajkowski> daubers: download and install from desktop
[19:49] <czajkowski> it crashes on windows though
[19:49] <czajkowski> the plugin doesn't work on anything after FF3
[19:50] <daubers> czajkowski: I did.....
[19:50] <czajkowski> hmm
[19:50] <czajkowski> odd
[19:50] <daubers> Ah, you mean the standalone thing not the extension
[19:50] <daubers> (didn't see that the first time)
[19:52] <daubers> Still no work... "Could not find compatible GRE between version 1.9.1 and 1.9.2.*."
[19:54] <czajkowski> daubers: there is also a thingy call balisque or soemthing
[19:54] <czajkowski> hmm
[19:54] <czajkowski> free 7 day trial
[19:55] <daubers> Might just install glade and jsut throw a few experiments together
[19:55] <AlanBell> balsamiq
[19:55] <czajkowski> yup that
[19:55] <AlanBell> posh vinegar
[19:56] <daubers> Quite nice on salad
[20:00]  * daubers installs glade
[20:06] <SuprEngr> has anyone else using Evolution for mail noticed: since G= went 'live'... the gmail accounrt attached can only be used  via gmail web & evoloution = password fail?
[20:07] <SuprEngr> *g+
[20:07] <KrimZon> I use my Gmail via IMAP with Thunderbird
[20:08] <SuprEngr> yeh - that still works fine... web only not evoloution access.
[20:08] <popey> Evening all!
[20:09] <SuprEngr> eveninks popey
[20:10]  * SuprEngr wonders how many of suggestions from popey 
[20:10] <daubers> o/ popey
[20:10] <SuprEngr> popey's mail get taken up in 12.04
[20:11] <SuprEngr> daubers, stop inturrupting my broken sentence ;D
[20:11] <daubers> SuprEngr: Stop talking
[20:11] <daubers> SuprEngr: Like
[20:11] <daubers> SuprEngr: Bill Shatner
[20:11]  * SuprEngr sulks
[20:11] <SuprEngr> [beam me up]
[20:12] <daubers> Hmmm.... glade has some different controls since I last used it
[20:13] <daubers> also, now I broked it
[20:14] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Bacon And Coffee Powered World Record - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/09/26/bacon-and-coffee-powered-world-record/
[20:15] <daubers> isn't zentyal what ebox was?
[20:16] <shauno> pretty much
[20:17] <popey> ooo Bill shatner you say?
[20:18] <popey> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HU2ftCitvyQ
[20:20] <popey> that shut everyone up ☺
[20:21] <SuprEngr> ... 'cept me! why the rubber duck *is* he climbing that mounting? jump -shatner -jump!
[20:23] <SuprEngr> (mounting was his pronunciation -not mine. I assume he's climbing a mountain -jump , bill, jump
[20:25] <daubers> Why? Why do people build things like ebox in perl?
[20:27] <dwatkins> Just to make you ask, daubers.
[20:29] <SuprEngr> back to my earlier comment re Evolution & Gmail - bug report time me wonders? or just leave it now Thunderbird is default.
[20:30] <daubers> SuprEngr: I'd bug report it, if it's not already. Evolution will still be available, just not default
[20:30] <SuprEngr> bug report it is
[20:31] <shauno> you haven't turned 2fa on for your google account, have you ?
[20:37]  * daubers goes on a rant
[20:40] <SuprEngr> shauno - no change mage to google a/c
[20:40] <SuprEngr> *made
[21:10] <ikonia> early to bed for #ubuntu-uk tonight it seems
[21:12] <SuprEngr> "Time for bed", said Zebbedee
[21:13] <ikonia> it would appear that way
[21:13]  * SuprEngr goes to zzzz land & dreams of podcasts yet to be heard ;)
[22:36] <sammm1> ikonia: Haha you're funny. Are you going to Bristol? xxx
[22:38] <directhex> i'm too awake to sleep. far too early for me
[22:46] <ikonia> directhex: me too
[22:47] <directhex> i am also in the middle of nowhere
[22:47] <directhex> which is unhelpful
[22:47] <ikonia> directhex: accommadation close to office ?
[22:48] <directhex> ikonia, that was the theory. but they already sold my reservation, so shipped me to a golf course on the A14
[22:50] <ikonia> I trust standard rage procedure was deployed at said hotel vendor
[23:04]  * AlanBell recalls directhex's standard hotel rage procedure
[23:09] <The_Fred> Im curiours, whats is directhex's s.h.r.p ?
[23:09]  * The_Fred cant spell today