[01:09] Is there anything open source for VNC that doesn't suck speed wise like VNC [01:10] don't mean to sound trolly, but stuff like teamviewer is waaaaay faster. Wondering if there's anything like that but more open :) [01:11] nothing fully open afaik [01:12] :( [01:12] different VNC apps may be more efficient, but ultimately it's using a protocol called "remote frame buffer" which does exactly what it sounds like [01:13] yea [01:28] X11 [01:28] although only if you use certain applications [01:29] anything kde or gtk and you might as well use vnc === mhk__ is now known as mhkhan [06:17] alolha === syrus is now known as JohnRobert [06:21] Aloha [06:23] hi [06:26] I'm moving back to the uk next year [06:26] looking forward to proper LUGs again [07:06] good morning everyone. === jpds_ is now known as jpds [07:21] 23:01:01 < AlanBell> I never managed to get onto ustream irc [07:21] I use irssi for that [07:22] /connect c.ustream.tv [07:22] then join the channel for their show [07:22] /join #at-home-with-jono8350 [07:23] Morning [07:24] hello [07:24] infinitely amused by BF's possible Scottish ancestry today :-D [07:24] goooooood mornin [07:26] popey: it just disconnects me [07:27] tells me it is a registered nick, doesn't let me pick another, disconnects me [07:45] Bah, on Oneiric, if I'm uploading photos via shotwell, the model dialog stops me getting the unity dock [07:56] morning all [07:56] daubers: yay modal dialogs [08:06] Morning all [08:07] morning [08:07] Hi MooDoo, Hows your wife and the baby, all settled in? [08:08] DJones: we're getting there, baby is still on australia time, but we're getting there, my first day back at work [08:08] Heh, back to work for a rest then [08:08] DJones: yeah :) [08:22] Good morning peeps :) [08:37] Happy Monday, all! :) [08:51] AlanBell: you have to /nick user:pass [08:51] AlanBell: with a username/password that you have signed up to ustream with [08:52] interesting, that is probably the bit I didn't understand [08:52] yeah, took me some googling to figure it out [09:44] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/hwe-cycle/+spec/hwe-p-live-secure-boot secure boot is going to be interesting for CDs [10:01] morning all [10:01] morning davmor2 [10:02] MooDoo: CONGRATULATIONS AND WELCOME BACK DUDE!!!!!!!! [10:02] davmor2: cheers man :) [10:03] MooDoo: I've been wanting to say that for days, you know you have a computer at home ;) [10:03] davmor2: i do, but i've not used it that much over the last few weeks, and when i have been on you're not here :p [10:04] man anyone would think you'd just had a baby or something not turning up for weeks on end ;) [10:04] czajkowski: prod [10:04] davmor2: baby? who's had a baby not me, i've had a pooping, crying screaming monster ;) [10:04] davmor2: poke [10:05] MooDoo: I just hope she gets her moms looks if she takes after you my god she's in trouble ;) [10:06] czajkowski: Morning how's life? [10:06] davmor2: oh don't worry, both my kids don't look like me, so they are safe :) [10:07] MooDoo: nice :) [10:07] davmor2: fantastic darling, how's you ? [10:08] MooDoo: YOU'RE BACK!!!! *HUGS* [10:08] czajkowski: wow thank you, i've missed you too :D xx [10:09] * AlanBell wonders if MooDoo will be allowed out on 10th November [10:10] AlanBell: /me nods..... [10:10] MooDoo: course we need you during the rugby [10:10] czajkowski: I'm good thanks start my new role in canonical today which is odd cause we're seeing no change in process currently :D [10:11] davmor2: loo cleaner? [10:11] been promoted? [10:11] czajkowski: :) [10:12] MooDoo: No our team got split in 2 so I'm sole qa for the one team [10:12] davmor2: well have fun :D [10:13] davmor2: so thats the area to avoid eh [10:13] MooDoo: I just get to break stuff like normal :) [10:13] davmor2: easy job :) [10:13] MooDoo: for me yeap [10:13] czajkowski: how is your job going? [10:14] liking it [10:14] getting to do stuff which I've not done before and it's interesting [10:14] czajkowski: ace :) [10:15] Urgh, just had the technical lead of another company ask me how to do a port forward :( [10:15] yeah tis cool. kinda weird doing stuf but learning new things [10:16] czajkowski: did i read somewhere it's a 6 month contract? [10:20] o/ [10:23] MooDoo: 4 [10:25] is daper still supported??? [10:26] czajkowski: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases [10:27] "no" [10:28] popey: thanks [10:28] I was sure of that [10:28] but someone is installing it and having issue [10:28] *issues [10:30] Solution: install something that's not 5 years old [10:31] indeed [10:31] I'm sure there is a valid reason... [10:34] Just a quick heads up on a dubious sounding Inkscape project asking for donations... http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=28142280 [10:35] $800 to develop a comprehensive PDF exporter with full CYMK separation. Core dev reckoned it would cost $30k [10:46] reason for dapper useage: I want to run a piece of software which was compiled back in 2002, it is closed source so I cannot recompile. [10:57] czajkowski: That should still work. You might have to install some libraries from Dapper, but that's it [10:57] czajkowski: (libfoo2 instead of the currently-available libfoo3 or libfoo4, for example -- but those don't clash, so it shouldn't break uprades etc.) [10:57] * MartijnVdS runs Python 2.5 like that [11:10] XUL Runner has stopped working - lovely my last 3 drawings just vanished!!!! [11:11] Paint uses XUL Runner? [11:16] Pencil does [11:17] never embed mozilla [11:17] ever [11:17] it always ends in tears [11:20] Monotoko: hey - just signed up to the Leeds Ubuntu party at north bar - is that your gig? [11:27] czajkowski: what app? [11:36] PEncil [11:37] pencil is open source! [11:43] http://pencil.evolus.vn/en-US/Home.aspx that? [11:44] I think the app requiring dapper is not pencil and czajkowski is talking about two different things [11:44] ah [11:44] yes, I was referring to 11:46:38 < czajkowski> reason for dapper useage: I want to run a piece of software which was compiled back in 2002, it is closed source so I cannot recompile. [11:47] popey: he didnt say he's on the -ie list [11:47] oh, i thought it was you [11:48] nope [11:48] I know better [11:48] stick to current then ask for help [11:48] :0 [11:48] :) [11:48] czajkowski: Liar :P [12:22] Does anyone have any idea where Empathy puts its logs? [12:22] Tried in .gnome2 and /var/logs but can't find anything [12:24] I'm having trouble with MSN - it doesn't send my messages even though I am connected and people can send me messages [12:37] popey: Sorry about that.... I seem to require more coffee than normal today [12:37] chambo: .telepathy ? [12:38] in ~ ? [12:39] Don't know why everyone can't just put logs in .logs or something like that [12:39] and config in .config [12:41] Oh and make it so that when I upgrade my distribution, my existing dotfiles don't make gnome go completely bonkers [12:41] /rant [12:42] I can't find .telepathy anywhere... :( [12:54] telepathy is a frontend to empathy [12:54] backend [12:54] er, other way round [12:54] and i don't know how much logging telepathy has by default [12:54] it's probably in .config or .cache [12:54] which msn backend are you using? there are three iirc? [12:57] telepathy-butterfly and the one from Pidgin (libpurple), afaik? [12:58] It'll be whatever is installed by default with ubuntu [12:59] chambo: there is .cache/empathy .local/share/telepathy .missioncontrol (or word to that effect) .config/empathy === redbaron is now known as maxivano [13:01] Hmm nothing in any of those locations [13:01] I'll try just running from a terminal [13:02] chambo: there is also a logging terminal in empathy itself under help→debug iirc [13:03] davmor2, Thanks I'll have a look now [13:04] * popey tickles TheOpenSourcerer [13:04] By the way does anyone use Synapse? https://launchpad.net/synapse-project [13:04] I'm really impressed with it [13:05] * TheOpenSourcerer wishes popey wouldn't. Especially my feet! [13:06] Probably not as complete as Gnome-do but has far less package dependencies [13:06] Wazzup popey ? [13:12] any news TheOpenSourcerer ? [13:12] :D [13:12] hah. It's not looking promising. Saw him in the pub on Friday eve... [13:14] uhoh [13:14] he's chucked them on ebay? === dgjones is now known as DJones [16:15] Would anyone know where the config files for Rapid Photo Downloader would be kept? Want to restore from a backup but haven't a clue where they would be kept? [16:53] hi [16:53] heloo [16:54] Sorry I need your help to solve gcc problem in ubuntu 11.04 [16:55] I'm using Matlab2011 wihch required gcc4.3.4 while my gcc is 4.5 [16:55] How to solve it? [16:55] best (easiest?) way of implementing roaming profiles? maybe symlink /home to /local/home, sync the two, then mount the home dir on the server over the /home symlink? will that even work without problem? [16:57] How to solve it? [16:57] no idea i'm afraid :| [17:09] does anyone here use them at all? [17:25] at work we use a shared nfs mount in some places (but not all) [17:25] NFS Mount + automounting [17:26] MartijnVdS, so multiple clients updating the same home dir? [17:26] yes [17:27] ahh, i tried that and had loads of problems. i was led to believe it was because ubuntu doesn't like two machines working live from the same home dir, something to do with config files... guess that is wrong? [17:27] Only if you do it at the same time [17:28] don't log in twice (unless in text mode) [17:28] multiple machines will be logged in as the same user [17:30] right... that'd probably be a problem. i am usually literally roaming around the house using the same stuff on different machines while i'm doing other things [17:31] I'd jsut put the stuff that needs to be shared on a nas somewhere [17:34] all my data is on a nas already, but i want the settings to be synced between all machines (and a change on one propagate to all), including other users (who are not tech savvy) [17:35] reckon there is a solution? [17:37] or do you reckon the idea with the symlink would work? [17:37] i would tias, but it was damn hard to tell that anything was up at all until i lost data. [17:37] (last time i tried this, that is) [17:42] lo [17:44] HazRPG: I had such a sore arse last night. :( [17:44] .... [17:45] talk about walking into the wrong conversation [17:50] daubers: It's not what it sounds like. [17:50] daubers: Just a medical condition HazRPG and I have. [17:53] sammm1: you might want to discuss it somewhere without googleable log files [17:53] can you get multiple rdp sessions viewing the same desktop? or alternatively can you get a wyse linux thin client to use vnc? [17:56] hm. blender just ate 52GB of swap before my machine ground to a halt. I think I need a plan B. [17:57] heh [17:57] You have 52GB of swap? Wow :D [17:57] Clearly you need more swap [17:58] osx, so it just keeps creating swap files until it runs out of / [17:58] (bit like swapd on linux, rather than using partitions) [17:58] Ah [18:01] AlanBell: That's why I added him on Facebook. :) [18:03] why did my irony meter just explode? [18:06] why did my rhetorical meter just explode? [18:25] HazRPG: The Doctor has had over 1,000 years to perfect his interpersonal skills. xxxxxxx [18:26] ali1234, Adriannom: WTF are you two talkin' 'bout? [18:28] HazRPG: Amelia Pond is so fit for a ginger!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 [18:32] sammm1: that is offtopic and not really appropriate [18:33] sammm1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVN_0qvuhhw [18:34] AlanBell: What's offtopic? Why did you send me that link? [18:35] AlanBell: Instead of directing my messages at specific people, should I be PMing them? Sorry, I'm new to IRC and haven't fully learnt the etiquette yet. [18:35] because it is a nice way of telling you about one of the ways you went astray :) [18:36] you can PM people (if they are cool with that), or use an appropriate channel, such as #ubuntu-offtopic or #defocus [18:38] AlanBell: This channel isn't particularly active ATM, so I don't see how my deviation from the Ubuntu topic will harm the flow of public chat 'n' dat. [18:41] it isn't the level of activity that is relevant, we try and keep it family friendly and respectful at all times, and you were getting a bit close to the edge [18:41] !coc [18:41] The Ubuntu Code of Conduct is a community etiquette document to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere, and can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/ | For information on how to electronically sign the CoC, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SigningCodeofConduct [18:43] AlanBell: Good to see the "Happy hours" are taking off [18:43] yeah, really pleased at the enthusiasm for other locations and a regular meet in London [18:43] think another name is required for that though [18:44] \o/ I'm quite looking forward to the farnborough one, as that'll be the first I can make [18:45] Are there any meets in Wales/ the west midlands? I might come and see you guys :D [18:45] Might try and goto the one at the turf [18:45] Because I am in Swansea ATM [18:46] http://ubuntu-uk.org/happy-hour/ [18:46] AlanBell: I'm sorry, I will make a concious effort to keep my non-family-friendly chat to private-converations from now on. [18:46] one over in Bristol on the list [18:46] Bristol is near me :D [18:46] thanks sammm1 :) [18:46] What will we do there? [18:46] drink tasty beer mostly [18:46] Hahaahahahhahaha [18:46] Sounds fun [18:47] But not many people like me :( [18:47] how is that? [18:47] I'm socially awkand and shy and stuff :( [18:47] What date is the Bristol meet? [18:47] I do like beer :) [18:47] And I like contests of strength, gaming and workin' out :D [18:48] Bristol doesn't have a date yet [18:48] most linux users are sammm1 ;) [18:48] AlanBell: What website page will have the information of the date? [18:49] that one http://ubuntu-uk.org/happy-hour/ [18:49] I use Windows mostly ATM. I'm a terrible person :( [18:49] and on the mailing list [18:49] AlanBell: What's the place? [18:50] The place called [18:50] look at the list :) [18:50] AlanBell: I am, but they're all random namjes but don't say where they are [18:50] AlanBell: Which one is the Bristol one? [18:50] postcode starts with BS [18:50] AlanBell: Nova Scotia Hotel? [18:51] Everything has to be a massive puzzle challenge with you people. [18:51] yup [18:51] Gawd [18:51] wonder if that highlights Pendulum [18:52] puzzles are fun :P [18:52] AlanBell: no, I don't have "Scotia" on highlight [18:53] AlanBell: it's bad enough when people talk about Penny Arcade :-/ [18:53] you're a newfie? [18:53] i love the way the cheifs in spooks go on operations by themselves [18:54] Puzzles are frustrating, and Pendulum is an okay drum 'n' bass group. [18:54] shauno: no, my cat's name is Scotia and she likes to IRC [18:54] heh, that's .. a new one [18:55] why is a raven like a writing desk? [18:56] shauno: she's 3 months old and laptop keyboards have great interest to her. She manages to PM people or quit me depending on her mood [18:57] Pendulum: Penny Arcade is for casual noobs [18:58] HazRPG: What a rubbish episode of Doctor Who...... [18:58] sammm1: you're a bit of a complainer, aren't you? :) [18:59] you'd be too, if you were in swansea :p [18:59] sammm1: j.p.c [18:59] uhr [18:59] shauno: [19:02] HazRPG: Maybe I've been too drunk to be interested in the latest episode, but maybe it's just rubbish? [19:03] MartijnVdS: Sorry, the internet is a conveniant place to ventilate my frustrations. [19:03] MartijnVdS: I've asked my friend if he would be interested in a physical confrontation later, but he probably won't be interested. : [19:03] :( [19:14] * TheOpenSourcerer heads off to watch some TV. Catch you all tomorrow. :-) [19:14] \o [19:17] Martinp23: Do you enjoy a good hand-2-hand physical confrontation 'n' dat? xx [19:26] http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-15060310 [19:26] i think the LHC is destroying probable universes [19:48] Whats a good UI design tool? [19:48] pencil, ask czajkowski for help with it :) [19:49] a pencil and paper. [19:49] AlanBell: It doesn't work in oneiric :) [19:49] oooh, why not? [19:49] Not compatible with FF7 [19:49] aye [19:49] daubers: download and install from desktop [19:49] it crashes on windows though [19:49] the plugin doesn't work on anything after FF3 [19:50] czajkowski: I did..... [19:50] hmm [19:50] odd [19:50] Ah, you mean the standalone thing not the extension [19:50] (didn't see that the first time) [19:52] Still no work... "Could not find compatible GRE between version 1.9.1 and 1.9.2.*." [19:54] daubers: there is also a thingy call balisque or soemthing [19:54] hmm [19:54] free 7 day trial [19:55] Might just install glade and jsut throw a few experiments together [19:55] balsamiq [19:55] yup that [19:55] posh vinegar [19:56] Quite nice on salad [20:00] * daubers installs glade [20:06] has anyone else using Evolution for mail noticed: since G= went 'live'... the gmail accounrt attached can only be used via gmail web & evoloution = password fail? [20:07] *g+ [20:07] I use my Gmail via IMAP with Thunderbird [20:08] yeh - that still works fine... web only not evoloution access. [20:08] Evening all! [20:09] eveninks popey [20:10] * SuprEngr wonders how many of suggestions from popey [20:10] o/ popey [20:10] popey's mail get taken up in 12.04 [20:11] daubers, stop inturrupting my broken sentence ;D [20:11] SuprEngr: Stop talking [20:11] SuprEngr: Like [20:11] SuprEngr: Bill Shatner [20:11] * SuprEngr sulks [20:11] [beam me up] [20:12] Hmmm.... glade has some different controls since I last used it [20:13] also, now I broked it [20:14] [Jono Bacon] Bacon And Coffee Powered World Record - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/09/26/bacon-and-coffee-powered-world-record/ [20:15] isn't zentyal what ebox was? [20:16] pretty much [20:17] ooo Bill shatner you say? [20:18] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HU2ftCitvyQ [20:20] that shut everyone up ☺ [20:21] ... 'cept me! why the rubber duck *is* he climbing that mounting? jump -shatner -jump! [20:23] (mounting was his pronunciation -not mine. I assume he's climbing a mountain -jump , bill, jump [20:25] Why? Why do people build things like ebox in perl? [20:27] Just to make you ask, daubers. [20:29] back to my earlier comment re Evolution & Gmail - bug report time me wonders? or just leave it now Thunderbird is default. [20:30] SuprEngr: I'd bug report it, if it's not already. Evolution will still be available, just not default [20:30] bug report it is [20:31] you haven't turned 2fa on for your google account, have you ? [20:37] * daubers goes on a rant [20:40] shauno - no change mage to google a/c [20:40] *made [21:10] early to bed for #ubuntu-uk tonight it seems [21:12] "Time for bed", said Zebbedee [21:13] it would appear that way [21:13] * SuprEngr goes to zzzz land & dreams of podcasts yet to be heard ;) [22:36] ikonia: Haha you're funny. Are you going to Bristol? xxx [22:38] i'm too awake to sleep. far too early for me [22:46] directhex: me too [22:47] i am also in the middle of nowhere [22:47] which is unhelpful [22:47] directhex: accommadation close to office ? [22:48] ikonia, that was the theory. but they already sold my reservation, so shipped me to a golf course on the A14 [22:50] I trust standard rage procedure was deployed at said hotel vendor [23:04] * AlanBell recalls directhex's standard hotel rage procedure [23:09] Im curiours, whats is directhex's s.h.r.p ? [23:09] * The_Fred cant spell today === Catbuskris_ is now known as Catbuskris