[00:03] <charlie-tca> I really got to go today. I will see all you good people tomorrow. GridCube, good luck.
[09:32] <ochosi> micahg: ping
[09:58] <Exio> n
[09:58] <Exio> ups.. sorry
[13:49] <micahg> ochosi: pong
[13:50] <ochosi> hey micah
[13:50] <ochosi> i wanted to ask you about thunderbird's new monochrome toolbar-icons
[13:50] <ochosi> at the moment those are broken
[13:51] <ochosi> greybird uses a bright grey toolbar and the icons in thunderbird are white
[13:51] <ochosi> it's bug 856939
[13:52] <ochosi> do you have any clue whom i could ask about that?
[13:52] <ochosi> (i already checked a few themes, it seems that the color of the icons depends on the background-color of the menus)
[13:52] <ochosi> or do you know what i could do about that?
[13:53] <micahg> define "broken", I saw the bug, but I don't see the problem
[13:53] <ochosi> right, well the problem is that the monochrome color is chosen wrongly
[13:53] <ochosi> it doesn't depend on the toolbar-background
[13:53] <ochosi> so white on light-grey is barely readable
[13:53] <ochosi> but it can happen the other way round as well
[13:53] <ochosi> bright menus and dark toolbar > dark monochrome icons = barely readable
[13:54] <micahg> ah, I guess I don't have the text on
[13:54] <ochosi> k :)
[13:54] <micahg> chrisccoulson would be the person, but he's on vacation ATM
[13:54] <ochosi> oh :(
[13:54] <ochosi> anyone else?
[13:54] <micahg> me...
[13:55] <ochosi> yay! :)
[13:55] <micahg> I have a meeting in 5 minutes though
[13:55] <ochosi> until when?
[13:55] <ochosi> or: when would you have time?
[14:00] <micahg> an hour or 2
[14:01] <ochosi> ok
[14:01] <ochosi> i don't know if i'll still be around then
[14:01] <ochosi> but if you can take a look at the problem and ping me that would be great
[14:39] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[15:57] <charlie-tca> This is an interesting bug... Bug 784115
[15:59] <charlie-tca> I have to wonder if Unity will add it ?
[15:59]  * micahg wonders where "Preferred applications" is in unity
[16:00] <charlie-tca> Aren't they still using a white-list for such things?
[16:03] <micahg> charlie-tca: no idea, can you find out and I can try to make the necessary changes?
[16:08] <charlie-tca> yes
[16:16] <charlie-tca> micahg: I will find out what to do to get it added
[16:25] <micahg> charlie-tca: thanks
[17:19] <charlie-tca> Oh, by the way, we do have new images today!
[17:20] <micahg> ooh, alternate dropped 2MB in size
[17:23]  * micahg wonders what we lost
[17:29] <charlie-tca> gnome-control-center?
[17:30] <charlie-tca> pleia2: can we publish http://2tu.us/3jei on the website news, please?
[17:33] <pleia2> charlie-tca: newsletter or fridge.ubuntu?
[17:34] <charlie-tca> both, if we can, I think. I don't really know.
[17:34] <pleia2> I can add it to fridge
[17:34] <pleia2> just requested access
[17:34] <charlie-tca> It is limited to Xubuntu Users team on launchpad, but I need as much exposure announcing it as possible
[17:35] <charlie-tca> 600 users, should be able to get two nominations, I hope.
[17:36] <pleia2> is the text in this document the same as the -news-team post?
[17:36] <charlie-tca> yes
[17:36] <pleia2> ok, I'll just post and link to that then
[17:36] <charlie-tca> Okay, thank you
[17:36] <charlie-tca> I am not so good at this kind of stuff, I just wanted to get it out there
[17:40] <pleia2> charlie-tca: I assume when you say "either mailing list" you mean -users or -devel?
[17:42] <madnick> morning :)
[17:43] <micahg> madnick: what TZ are you in?
[17:48] <charlie-tca> pleia2: yes, since I pushed the announcement to both mailing lists.
[17:48] <charlie-tca> We have people that do testing of the development releases that never get to -devel
[17:49] <madnick> micahg: well GMT+1
[17:49] <madnick> So its 8 in the evening :) but i sleept in :P
[17:49] <pleia2> charlie-tca: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2011/09/26/nominations-for-xubuntu-project-lead-2011/
[17:49] <micahg> madnick: heh
[17:50] <charlie-tca> firefox gets slower and slower, I think
[17:50] <charlie-tca> pleia2: thank you very much
[17:51] <micahg> charlie-tca: it should be getting faster
[17:51] <charlie-tca> I know
[17:51] <charlie-tca> but loading almost all pages seems to take a long time now
[17:52] <charlie-tca> at least in Oneiric
[17:53] <pleia2> fridge is slow today
[17:53] <knome> any ubuntu web stuff slow(ish) everyday :(
[17:56] <charlie-tca> It was getting faster, but now it is slower again. I even got that busy error today when updating the wiki
[17:57] <Olbi> hello :D
[17:58] <charlie-tca> Hello, Olbi 
[18:44] <madnick> micahg: ive tried blueman some more, but i cant tell you which one works best
[18:44] <madnick> I can tell you that, indeed they work :P
[18:49] <madnick> im not sure about when the computer gets prompted to accept a key
[18:54] <madnick> Basically those prompts dont go away
[19:31] <madnick> i ran dist-upgrade and got ask.com as search engine
[19:32] <madnick> is that the new thing?
[19:38] <charlie-tca> That's a bug
[19:38] <charlie-tca> Is it the only search engine?
[19:52] <ochosi> micahg: hey, did you get anywhere with thunderbird?
[19:58] <madnick> charlie-tca: yes it is
[19:59] <charlie-tca> micahg: Do you know about this bug in firefox removing all search engines except 'ask.com' ? latest update
[20:00] <Unit193> I have all the ones I normally do (Ask is in there, not sure if it's new thougfh)
[20:00] <micahg> charlie-tca: should be fixed with the ubuntu4 update
[20:00] <charlie-tca> Okay
[20:00] <micahg> only affected those that upgraded to ubuntu1 or ubuntu2
[20:00] <charlie-tca> um, madnick just got hit by it
[20:00] <micahg> ochosi: sorry, haven't had time to look yet
[20:01] <charlie-tca> madnick: run updates again
[20:01] <micahg> madnick: what version is firefox?
[20:01] <micahg> madnick: re blueman> idk, you said the new version didn't crash, I guess that's one up on the old one
[20:02] <madnick> micahg: thats true :) but the popup thing is kinda annoying
[20:02] <madnick> Perhaps it should be like that, i guess
[20:02] <micahg> madnick: did the old version have that?
[20:03] <madnick> Not that I recall, i just wiped the hdd of the testing computer to install todays image, i can try again
[20:04] <charlie-tca> So it is today's image?
[20:04] <madnick> No i did the dist upgrade last night
[20:04] <madnick> When installing from micahg's PPA
[20:04] <ochosi> micahg: if you get a chance to look at it please let me know, it's really a prominent *and* ugly bug :(
[20:04] <charlie-tca> Yeah, should be able to run updates and fix it then
[20:05] <micahg> today's images shouldn't be affected (at least not the alternate)
[20:05] <charlie-tca> ochosi: I didn't think it was that bad; at the icons are visible, even if you have to squint a bit.
[20:06] <micahg> yeah, today's images should be fine WRT the search engines
[20:07] <charlie-tca> micahg: thank you
[20:09] <madnick> am i the only one testing blueman? that is scary O_o
[20:09] <ochosi> charlie-tca: hm, yeah, dunno, i'm just trying to get whatever i can fixed (and currently almost everything is fixed) ;)
[20:10] <charlie-tca> madnick: most of us don't have anything bluetooth
[20:10] <charlie-tca> ochosi: As long as you got time to fix things like that, every fix makes it a little bit better. :)
[20:11] <madnick> well, ill do my best, im just waiting for the install
[20:11] <madnick> Im gonna compare it i wrote some stuff down
[20:12] <ochosi> charlie-tca: i already squashed 6 gtk3 bugs today, finally getting to the sprint
[20:12] <charlie-tca> You do know you have the only gtk3 xfce theme out, right?
[20:13] <charlie-tca> And it works!
[20:20] <ochosi> :)
[20:20] <ochosi> it'll work better as soon as i've pushed the fixes
[20:20] <ochosi> but i need to spend another day/night on it i think
[20:37] <mr_pouit> I think the xubuntu-docs upload got accepted
[20:37] <mr_pouit> (so, even if they aren't up-to-date, they'll at least show "11.10" on the webpages)
[20:37] <charlie-tca> yes, I think it did. Thank you for updating it
[20:38] <madnick> "the installer encountered an unrecoverable error"
[20:39] <madnick> On todays live images
[20:39] <micahg> ochosi: BTW, final freeze is Thursday at 21:00 UTC
[20:39] <charlie-tca> Hm, which image?
[20:39] <charlie-tca> or both?
[20:40] <madnick> Permission denied /proc/4299/environ
[20:40] <ochosi> micahg: yeah i know, that's why i'm a bit pushy now (sry bout that btw)
[20:40] <madnick> this one:
[20:40] <madnick> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/20110926/oneiric-desktop-i386.iso
[20:41] <charlie-tca> Okay, will see what I can find
[20:41] <madnick> im gonna try to run the installer from the desktop it dropped me to
[20:42] <madnick> Failed, ubiquity crashed 
[20:43] <madnick> oh gridcubes testing interface has crashed
[20:43] <charlie-tca> madnick: I think you are correct. The image won't work today
[20:44] <madnick> nope :(
[20:44] <madnick> Does the alternate images work?
[20:47] <charlie-tca> They should, yes
[20:50] <Unit193> But... It just synced... So did alt though
[20:52] <charlie-tca> I see the same traceback in both images, I suspect desktop images are bad today
[20:52] <charlie-tca> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/livefs-build-logs/oneiric/xubuntu/20110926/livecd-20110926-amd64.out
[20:53] <charlie-tca> ubiquity fails to start
[20:59] <charlie-tca> hm, I can't install Ubuntu or Xubuntu desktop images today