[00:19]  * apachelogger waves fist at slow lunchpad
[00:28] <apachelogger> freenode is totally boring tonight -.-
[01:03] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: I'm trying to remember what you asked, what I answered and why you asked why not
[01:48] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: good, because I had to remember what you answered to :P
[01:49] <apachelogger> since apparently I started the conversation I'd argue it had to do with prn or I could easily draw a connection
[01:50] <apachelogger> oh right
[01:50] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: it was about whether you can commit prn upstream to cause a riot
[02:22] <Daskreech> prn?
[02:23] <apachelogger> documentation porn
[02:24] <Daskreech> ah nice
[02:25] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: ahh, right. No. I cannot commit anything upstream anywhere yet.
[02:27] <DarkwingDuck> I like my new computer. Just waiting to get my SSD tomorrow so I can finish setting up my system.
[02:30] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: so.... why not? :P
[02:30] <DarkwingDuck> Ummmmmm. Because I have not actually sent anything upstream 
[02:31] <apachelogger> zomg
[02:31] <apachelogger> postpone the work item then :P
[02:34] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[02:34] <DarkwingDuck> It's a time thing. Yeah, i need to start contributing to upstream more.
[02:42] <DarkwingDuck> Are going to want a meeting prior to UDS to hash out what we want to cover at UDS?
[02:47] <apachelogger> if someone bothers to organize one
[02:52] <DarkwingDuck> After tomorrow I'll have my email back. I'll set one up.
[04:13] <ScottK> Shouldn't you have a pre-meeting for that to make sure it's well organized?
[04:55] <DarkwingDuck> ScottK: LOL Yeah, prolly but, you never know :P
[05:05] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: You still awake?
[05:06] <DarkwingDuck> Wow, Kubuntu detected the 3G modem in this thing.
[06:02] <txwikinger> why do I alsways have to remove .kde after upgrade?
[06:02] <txwikinger> That is ridiculous
[06:05] <txwikinger> where are all the knetworkmanager info stored?
[06:15] <txwikinger> found it
[08:30] <shadeslayer> \o
[08:37] <valorie> speaking of networkmanager, has anyone else noticed that since 4.7, nmgr no long auto-connects?
[08:37] <valorie> or is it just me
[08:38] <valorie> really annoying when I forget that I have to click the wireless in the menu Every Time
[08:40] <Mamarok> works here
[08:41] <shadeslayer> valorie: wfm as well
[08:42] <valorie> hmmm, it was brand new behavior with 4.7
[08:42] <valorie> but only on this laptop -- netbook is normal
[08:53] <bambee> morning
[08:53] <shadeslayer> hey bambee
[08:53] <bambee> Could a kubuntu dev upload kde-workspace-4.7.1-0ubuntu4 please ? (see lp:~kubuntu-packagers)
[08:54] <bambee> kde-workspace-4.7.1-0ubuntu4 == patches cherry-picked from upstream + A fix for inotify_add_watch 
[09:04] <bambee> rbelem: poke me if you want some help to fix mobile-settings, I need this fix to get kubuntu-low-fat-settings working on my ac100 :)
[09:05] <bambee> I mean, I've time :)
[09:25]  * shadeslayer noms a cookie and looks around
[10:38] <ryanakca> Mamarok: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/amarok-243-berlin-released
[10:39] <ryanakca> Mamarok: An image should show up momentarily.
[10:42] <ryanakca> Mamarok: There.
[10:44] <ryanakca> ScottK: Our image uploading RT is complete. At some point somebody (i.e. me, unless someone volunteers) will have to go through all of the past news stories and move the images to www.k.o
[10:44] <ScottK> ryanakca: Cool.
[11:15] <Mamarok> ryanakca: thanks a lot!
[11:42] <rbelem> apachelogger, i will take a look on that
[11:42] <rbelem> bambee, which changes need to be done? :-)
[11:43] <rbelem> apachelogger, rsalveti confirmed that we can build linaro images from a ppa :-D
[11:43] <bambee_> rbelem: startkde overrides KDEDIRS on netbooks/mobiles , it conflicts with /etc/X11/Xsession.d/50lowfat
[11:44] <rbelem> bambee_, hum... lets fix that
[11:44] <bambee_> in apachelogger's opinion KDEDIRS should not be exported from startkde
[11:44] <rbelem> bambee_, how do i get /etc/X11/Xsession.d/50lowfat
[11:44] <rbelem> ?
[11:45] <bambee_> rbelem: apt-get source kubuntu-low-fat-settings
[11:45] <rbelem> bambee_, i agree with that
[11:46] <bambee_> me too
[11:48]  * rbelem starts to take a look on startkde
[11:49] <bambee_> rbelem: the problem is 50lowfat is executed before startkde :)
[11:50] <bambee_> if startkde is invoked with "netbook" or "mobile" as first argument, KDEDIRS is overriden and then lowfat is not used
[11:51] <rbelem> bambee_, lets remove 50lowfat from /etc/X11/Xsession.d and create an entry in the startkubuntu script
[11:51] <rbelem> what do you think?
[11:52] <bambee_> I don't know what startkubuntu is... do you have a link or something?
[11:53] <rbelem> bambee_, it would be a script containing the modifications that currently are in startkde
[11:53] <bambee_> ok
[11:53] <bambee_> it could be a solution... :)
[11:53] <rbelem> bambee_, nice :-)
[11:54] <rbelem> bambee_, i will move the stuff to it and then i paste it to you
[11:54] <bambee_> awesome! thanks 
[11:55] <rbelem> :-)
[11:57] <bambee_> in this way no modifications would made to startkde ? (except bugfixes)
[12:10] <rbelem> bambee_, yup :-)
[12:10] <rbelem> bambee_, it would be nice if we could upstream these bugfixes
[12:27] <bambee_> rbelem: don't compute fixes for netbook and mobile are not upstream
[12:29] <rbelem> oki
[13:06] <txwikinger> Why do we always have to rm .kde after an upgrade?
[13:06] <txwikinger> That is not very user-friendly for the non-technical user
[13:14] <apachelogger> we don't
[13:18] <bambee_> rbelem: what is the link you pasted yesterday about kubuntu-mobile ? (on LP)
[13:21] <bambee_> apachelogger: can you upload the lastest kde-workspace ? and then you will get cookies and cholocate :P
[13:21] <txwikinger> apachelogger: I had too.. at least three important processes die with seg fault when I don't
[13:21] <txwikinger> among them plasma-shell
[13:21] <shadeslayer> i haven't rm -rf'd my .kde for the past 3 upgrades ...
[13:21] <apachelogger> it might make more sense to backtrace them rather than remove .kde?
[13:22] <txwikinger> well.. I renamed it and now add config files one by one from the old one
[13:22] <txwikinger> Still very tedious
[13:22] <txwikinger> I could not even file a bug since it complained kded was not running
[13:23] <txwikinger> (with the backtrace)
[13:23] <bambee_> o.O
[13:23] <apachelogger> doesnt compute
[13:24]  * apachelogger is actually reasonable certain that plasma crashed due to python plasmoids
[13:26] <txwikinger> I doubt I was running any plasmoids
[13:26] <txwikinger> I don't think I added any of those (barring the standard configuration in maverick)
[13:27] <txwikinger> I really only changed the colours 
[13:37] <rbelem> bambee_, hum... i dont recall right now
[13:39] <apachelogger> new project for mobile settings
[13:40] <apachelogger> rbelem: btw, maybe you can somehow get arm building for the kubuntu active ppa
[13:41] <rbelem> apachelogger, i think we can :-) i will ask rsalveti about this
[13:41] <apachelogger> awesome, thanks
[13:41] <rbelem> :-D
[13:41] <bambee_> mhhh... I could test plasma-active on my ac100...
[13:43] <apachelogger> you'll need to build workspace, runtime, and plasma-mobile
[13:46]  * txwikinger has an mx51 dev board and a screen for it
[13:46] <CIA-130> [calligra] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20110927134618-z02sjas1knx635vy * (34 files in 4 dirs) koffice -> calligra \o/
[13:48] <rbelem> apachelogger, oki :-)
[13:54] <txwikinger> apachelogger: btw.. I tested the defunc issue in kubuntu-notification-helper.. It is definitely fixed now !!
[13:55] <apachelogger> of course it is ... apachelogger looked into it :)
[13:55] <txwikinger> hehe
[13:56] <txwikinger> Well.. it took about a year ;p
[13:57] <apachelogger> there is only one apachelogger
[13:57] <shadeslayer> and a billion bugs?
[13:57] <apachelogger> at least
[13:57] <txwikinger> Well.. if y'all would have more automatic testing
[13:57] <txwikinger> And not produce bugs in the first place ;)
[14:01] <bambee_> apachelogger: don't you want cookies ? :(
[14:04] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you should definitely order one of these : http://www.topatoco.com/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=TO&Product_Code=TKT-ICECREAMCORN&Category_Code=ALLSHIRTS
[14:06] <apachelogger> bambee_: no, shadeslayer keeps harassing me
[14:06] <shadeslayer> what
[14:06] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what I shoudl order is a fez
[14:07] <apachelogger> you'd not believe how difficult it is to find a high quality fez on the intartubes
[14:07] <bambee_> tss
[14:07] <shadeslayer> but a fez does not have unicorns
[14:07] <apachelogger> it can
[14:07] <shadeslayer> it can, but no one puts unicorns on a fez on the intratubes
[14:08] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: googlez it
[14:12] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: nothing interesting pop's out
[14:14] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: didja get my email?
[14:14] <shadeslayer> or did google eat it thinking it was a part of its birthday cake
[15:00] <cnd> ScottK, I don't know if Jussi (Satoris) brought this up with the kubuntu devs yet, but we have a fix for bug 805972
[15:00] <cnd> if you have another upload before release it would be good to get it in
[15:01] <jussi> bah, non highlights :(
[15:01] <cnd> sorry jussi :)
[15:01] <ScottK> cnd: Great.  I know that bug.
[15:01] <ScottK> We definitely need to get it in.
[15:02] <ScottK> cnd: The current armel build should finish later today, so we could upload it tomorrow if you're ready.
[15:02] <ScottK> didrocks: ^^^
[15:03] <didrocks> oh nice :)
[15:03]  * didrocks was poking around this issue as well ;)
[15:05] <ScottK> didrocks: Would you please coordinate with cnd about getting this together?
[15:06] <didrocks> ScottK: sure, will do for a tomorrow upload
[15:06] <cnd> didrocks, do you need anything from me?
[15:06] <cnd> or is the patch in the bug sufficient
[15:07] <ScottK> How about signature in blood somewhere this won't cause regressions?
[15:09] <didrocks> +1 on ScottK :)
[15:09] <didrocks> cnd: is that something upstreamable? if so, is there a merge request?
[15:09] <cnd> didrocks, I'm not sure what to do with upstream
[15:10] <cnd> at this point
[15:10] <cnd> it's clearly broken on X, but it's something that Qt probably wants to get fixed properly
[15:10] <cnd> but it will conflict with what we want to do in the future too (smooth scrolling through utouch, with extra physics stuff like momentum)
[15:11] <cnd> so it probably wouldn't hurt to point it out to them, but I don't know if this specific patch would ever be merged
[15:11] <cnd> triggering it is also dependent on the XInput multitouch support
[15:11] <cnd> which can't be upstreamed until X.org upstream has multitouch support
[15:12] <cnd> so there's quite a chain here :)
[15:12] <cnd> fwiw, the patch is merely commenting out two lines of code that subscribe to pan gestures, so it's well contained and simple
[15:13] <didrocks> cnd: ok, got it
[15:13] <cnd> ScottK, didrocks: this may need to be SRUd for natty too
[15:14]  * cnd will be biab
[15:22] <maco> didrocks: you the second half of your nick!
[15:22] <didrocks> maco: heh, thanks :)
[15:23] <maco> didrocks: thanks for fixing that thing in the unity lens
[15:24] <Riddell> hmm, I think I killed muon with my upgrade, it's just giving me the busy cursor
[15:27] <CIA-130> [packaging] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20110927152653-32s3mvtgho3m42fi * debian/ (7 files) more complete install and use wildcards where sensible
[15:30] <apachelogger> man that is a PITA
[15:44] <ScottK> didrocks: I think the pressure patch from yesterday needs to be SRU'ed too, so those two patches together ...
[15:44] <ScottK> apachelogger: It'd be nice if that commit message mentioned what package you were working on.
[15:45] <apachelogger> tell that to bzr
[15:47] <ScottK> Tell that to the guy that set up our branch naming plan ...
[15:47] <ScottK> (which actually I quite like)
[15:48] <apachelogger> the commit message has nothing to do with the branch naming 
[15:48] <apachelogger> but with my local directory name
[15:48] <apachelogger> which happens to be packaging right now
[15:48] <apachelogger> iff it were using the remote name it'd be called calligra :P
[16:03] <ScottK> I see.
[16:07] <micahg> ScottK: kdesdk won't happen before next week from me, so reassign if necessary
[16:12] <ScottK> Thanks.
[16:22] <didrocks> ScottK: sorry, didn't follow it, Satoris' patch you mean, for a natty SRU?
[16:24] <ScottK> Was the the Krita related one from yesterday?
[16:24] <ScottK> If so, yes.
[16:26] <shadeslayer> ScottK: i bought a CD today, should be able to test the final release now
[16:26] <ScottK> Great.
[16:27] <didrocks> ScottK: yeah, ok, I'll do the SRU once we are in hard freeze if you don't mind, things are a little bit crazy until then as you saw by the number of FFe I guess :)
[16:28] <ScottK> OK.
[16:36] <bambee> ScottK: by our default install... you mean... kubuntu-desktop ?
[16:36] <ScottK> Yes
[16:36] <bambee> because I installed oneiric on my ac100 few days ago, folderview is installed...
[16:37] <apachelogger> oh
[16:37] <apachelogger> time
[16:37]  * DarkwingDuck sighs
[16:37] <apachelogger> why you be so wasted
[16:37] <apachelogger> G
[16:37] <DarkwingDuck> I hate this bug.
[16:38] <CIA-130> [packaging] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20110927163833-5nvgzbde8jii80o9 * debian/ (108 files in 4 dirs) TODO: think about the following packages: - kformula - fold in calligra-libs? rename to eg calligra-formulashape? - kplato - provide transitional package (once upstream fully renames it to "plan")?
[16:39] <apachelogger> ah wth
[16:39]  * apachelogger is to tired to pursue this
[16:39] <bambee> ScottK: I used this script (which uses rootstock), see the "--seed" option http://paste.kde.org/127849/
[16:40] <bambee> to summarize : I use kubuntu-desktop,oem-config-kde,kubuntu-low-fat-settings in the package set -> and folderview is installed
[16:40] <ScottK> Hmmm.
[16:40] <ScottK> I thought we removed it ...
[16:42] <apachelogger> no we didn't
[16:42] <apachelogger> upstream did
[16:42] <bambee> no
[16:42] <apachelogger> KDS still has it
[16:42] <bambee> upstream did? o.O
[16:43] <bambee> folderview is the... only one plasmoid that I use on my desktop... :(
[16:43] <shadeslayer> ScottK: the CD still doesn't boot btw
[16:43] <shadeslayer> i get a cannot find live file system error
[16:43] <shadeslayer> that i'm sure is reported somewhere
[17:14] <bambee> mhhh plasmoids buttons/checkboxes are unclickable on the ac100
[17:14] <bambee> don't know if the problem is armel specific or just on the ac100... :\
[17:30] <ScottK> I'd ask Gruemaster.
[17:40] <ScottK> kdepimlibs/pim/pim-runtime ought to get updated to the 4.7 branch head ...
[18:12] <bulldog98_> apachelogger: FFe what? the fixes of rekonq?
[18:31] <yofel> bulldog98_: looking at the changelog 0.7.0 -> 0.7.90 doesn't look like a bugfix update
[18:32] <shadeslayer> it most certainly is not
[18:50] <pythonsnake> bulldog98_: congratz :-)
[18:53] <bulldog98_> pythonsnake: thx
[19:17] <BarkingFish> Goodly evenlode all :)
[19:18] <BarkingFish> I'm in one of those types of moods today, everything is funny :D   I need some help from the devs side at the moment - it's support, yes, but it's dev support.
[19:19] <BarkingFish> I've rebuilt one of the modules for my kernel using basic instructions I picked up on the net - the module won't go into the kernel though, because it argues about an unknown symbol in the module.
[19:20] <BarkingFish> What I need to sorta find out is, what have I done wrong?  I have the headers for the kernel installed, I've written a basic makefile for the build, and I generate a .ko which modinfo can read perfectly well
[19:31] <bambee_> http://paste.kde.org/128047/  o.O
[19:36] <bulldog98> bambee_: nice output
[19:36] <bulldog98> thing is somehow systemtray only works, if you have it one time added in plasma
[19:38] <bambee_> Does anyone have an ARM device ?
[19:53] <bulldog98> bambee_: my N8, but it’s running symbian
[19:53] <BarkingFish> bambee_, I think my old iPAQ is ARM or StrongARM, one of the two.
[19:54] <BarkingFish> speaking of which, any clues on the module building doodad? Surely you guys must build modules for stuff that goes into the current kernels :)
[19:54] <BarkingFish> I'm sure I built it right, which makes me wonder why it's going wrong.
[19:54] <yofel> ask that the folks in #ubuntu-kernel (no, no support), the most I build for the kernel are nvidia modules
[19:55] <BarkingFish> okies yofel
[19:55] <yofel> BarkingFish: natty or oneiric?
[19:55] <BarkingFish> natty, yofel
[19:55] <BarkingFish> i built it against 2.6.38-11-generic
[19:56] <yofel> you could poke in #ubuntu-beginners, if someone of that level is online
[19:57] <BarkingFish> I sorta know what I'm doing, but just not why the module is going mental on me.  I'll drop a note in -kernel first
[20:26] <BarkingFish> yofel - just to let you know, it's all good now...  I realised afterwards , that i'd been an ID 10 T :)
[20:26] <yofel> what was wrong? ^^
[20:26] <BarkingFish> I built the module against the wrong dang kernel.  I have 2.6.38-11-generic and generic-pae in the system
[20:26] <BarkingFish> i had generic-pae running, but built it against generic
[20:27] <ejat> yofel: if im in unity .. should i add akonadi to startup for me to use kontact on unity ? 
[20:27] <BarkingFish> i just rebuilt it against generic-pae and insmod'd it, it's gone in fine, and my iPAQ is registering :)
[20:28] <ejat> KMail encountered a fatal error and will terminate now.
[20:28] <ejat> The error was:
[20:28] <ejat> Failed to fetch the resource collection.
[20:28] <yofel> ejat: not sure actually, I would think akonadi would start by itself, but if it doesn't you'll need to start it somehow
[20:28] <ejat> is it becoz of the akonadi cause that ? 
[20:29] <yofel> I don't use kontact myself, but with that error I would check in ~/.xsession-errors for something akonadi related
[20:33] <ejat> :(
[20:49] <ejat> yofel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/698111/
[20:51] <ejat> any idea ?
[20:52] <yofel> nope, never seen that
[20:52] <yofel> someone else?
[20:55] <ScottK> Seen that.
[20:55] <ScottK> Fiddled and reinstalled stuff until it magically worked.
[20:55] <ScottK> NFK what fixed it.
[20:57] <ejat> ScottK: means ? 
[20:57] <ejat> purge then reinstall ? 
[20:57] <ejat> what package ?
[20:57] <ScottK> It means I've seen it, but I don't have any useful advice.
[20:57] <ejat> :(
[20:58] <ScottK> IIRC I created a new user and copied all the akonadi configs over from it (~/.local and ~/.kde/share/config)
[20:58] <ScottK> That might have been what did it.
[20:58] <ejat> owh .. 
[21:08] <allee> nm-plasmoid + vpnc broken in oneiric?  Worked here since karmic without problem but not in oneiric.  
[21:14] <ScottK> I think there's a multi-arch issue.
[21:22] <allee> oneiric broken: http://paste.ubuntu.com/698128/   natty working: http://paste.ubuntu.com/698129
[21:32] <ScottK> Ask slangasek.