[00:00] http://picpaste.com/Screenshot-Ubuntu_11.10_beta1__Running__-_Oracle_VM_VirtualBox-SoeyYeae.png === Logan__ is now known as Logan_ [01:42] I think my problem was that I had chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf, causing /sbin/dhclient-script to hang waiting for resolv.conf to be writable. [01:44] For some reason this hadn't been a problem before. [01:57] should i be using apt-get upgrade or dist-upgrade if im running 11.10 beta2? [01:57] apt says some packages are kept back when using upgrade [01:58] !upgrade [01:58] For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes - see also http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/upgrade [02:03] DeviceZer0: I prefer aptitude as it does better job at automatically handling conflicts. [02:03] For upgrading between releases, the link ubottu gave. [02:04] well i didnt know if i should not upgrade the packages that are held back by just "upgrade" or if its safe to "dist-upgrade" [02:05] aptitude safe-upgrade will do the right thing. [02:12] ah ok. Ill see about installing aptitude...i used it for a long time...but recently been trying to use plain apt.... [02:12] thanks :) [02:16] DeviceZer0: apt-get dist-upgrade should be quite fine too. [02:16] It is normal for something to be held back, especially if using betas or third party repos. [02:20] yea [02:20] gotta reboot! thanks again :) [02:28] i am having an issue with network manager not remembering any of my wireless keys [02:29] is there a file i can add them to in plain text? [02:35] dtigue: add in Password and keys, but I remember that is done by default, and automatically [02:36] dtigue: oops, wrong, never mind that. sorry. [02:37] Whats the state of the i845 GPU driver in 11.10? Still sadistically crash happy? [02:58] segol, you could test it in a livecd environment [03:01] anyone know of any issues with ikea(shrew soft) IPsec VPN, seems broken in oneiric [03:01] sgerbino, if it seems broken submit a bug [03:02] where do i do that [03:02] launchpad somewhere right [03:03] go to the console and type ubuntu-bug packagename [03:03] nifty :] [03:04] thanks [03:06] anyone here successfully set up catalyst drivers on ubuntu+1 [03:07] yes, that supposedly works [03:08] did you personally do it? [03:09] no, i don't use amd/ati hardware [03:09] unity fails on me :( [03:09] check .xsession-errors [03:10] Window manager warning: Buggy client sent a _NET_ACTIVE_WINDOW message with a timestamp of 0 for 0x3600011 (unity-2d-p) Window manager warning: meta_window_activate called by a pager with a 0 timestamp; the pager needs to be fixed. [03:11] randomly picking messages and pasting them in here wasn't what i had in mind [03:11] also dmesg may have some info [03:17] have there been any reports of issues with avi playback? [03:17] via totem i mean [03:47] anyone else having issues with eclipse under 11.10? [04:04] bah...i installed eclipse but i cant get it working with my android stuff and the egit plugin. [04:04] cannot figure out whats wrong [04:04] :( === Shadows` is now known as SoulShadow [04:32] I don't seem to be able to change the volume with the volume control. No devices listed under the hardware tab of the sound settings either. lsmod shows that my sound modules are there, and I get sound from my media players, just no control with the pulse applet. [04:32] is this maybe because there is no more padevchooser? [04:33] It was supposed to be superseded by pavucontrol or something like that, but I don't see how it can be [04:43] hah! and I have 2 ethernet cards, but my notification panel shows the "not connected to wireless" icon. hah. [04:49] pavucontrol says that connection to PulseAudio failed. Automatic retry in 5s. === SoulShadow is now known as Shadows`sleep [06:08] What is the recommened way to set your screen dot pitch these days? I used to get the correct dpi by entering in the correct DisplaySize dimensions in xorg.conf. Ubuntu no longer uses an xorg.conf file by default. You're supposed to be able to generate one with by running Xorg -configue for a terminal after killing kdm or gdm. I tried that, but it errored out with "number of screens does not match number of detected device" error. [06:10] I also tried creating a 10-monitor.conf file under /usr/share/X11\xorg.conf with the DisplaySize monitor parameters, but that didn't get the dpi set either. [06:11] This netbook has a 136dpi, so I sure don't want to run it at the default 96 dpi [06:13] If ubuntu hates the xorg file, fine, but there should be an easy way do do everything you used to do by modifying xorg.conf. Believe it or not, not everything can be autodetected! [06:21] I tried that but it doesn't work. I to a terminal, kill kdm, run sudo Xorg -configure, and it tries to generate a xorg.conf but errors out with a message "number of screens does not match number of detected device" [06:22] It's just a netbook with it's built in screen, not connected to any other monitor. [06:22] I think this is some kind of bug everyone gets now in the buntus when they try to generate the xorg file ubuntu seems to loth so much for some reason. [06:23] I think it is insane to think that everything can, or ever will be detected properly with all the correct parameters. [06:24] This is a case where trying to "make things easier" by depreciating xorg.conf makes things way more complicated. === sagaci_ is now known as sagaci [06:45] Hey guys, how can I add a proxy in 11.10 for apt/bash? export http_proxy in my .bashrc doesn't seem to work. [06:48] hello [06:48] is firefox ever going to have window gadgets that are consistent with the gtk ones? [06:50] oh okay as is ofc have to sudo apt-get update, I also have to add it to my root's .bashrc [06:53] now I'm getting some 'bad requests' for apt-get dist-upgrade ... that sucks [07:03] KNUBBIG: try changing y our mirror. [07:03] jMCg: I just hit the upgrade several times and then all packages would be fetched [07:04] and sudo apt-get update doesn't work, I have to sudo su and then apt-get update [07:04] ohmy [07:16] O_o [07:16] how so? [07:17] is firefox ever going to have window gadgets that are consistent with the gtk ones? [07:21] I'm having trouble with pulse audio --- or rather, with sound in general; While aplay -l recognizes my sound card: http://sprunge.us/FgCQ -- as the system has all the right modules loaded: http://sprunge.us/iOdD see also lshw --sound http://sprunge.us/MHIV [07:22] And yet: all that pulse recognizes is "Dummy Output" and "auto_null" -- but even aplay doesn't actually produce a single beep. [07:34] Is there a shortcut to Ubuntu Software Center somewhere in 11.10 or is it expected to be called from clicking program links in the Dash [07:35] DrGamut: by defaul it is in unity launcher asssuming you are using unity not kubuntu [07:37] Hmmm, was it the default in 11.04 too? Perhaps I removed it because it seemed redundant when it was also in System Settings. [07:37] DrGamut: dont think it was for 11.04 [07:37] Well it's not in my launcher now that I've updated. [07:37] Nor is it in system settings anymore. [07:37] DrGamut: its an orange icon but not the folder icon [07:37] It has to be called explicitly, or from clicking on uninstalled program links in the dash. [07:39] http://i.imgur.com/Y0euO.png [07:39] I don't have it. [07:39] DrGamut: when i open the 1st icon and type in ubuntu software cener it shows it to me. you can add it to the launcher at that point [07:39] Yeah I know, I was just curious if it was meant to not have a shortcut by default. [07:40] DrGamut: it was here as of laterst updates and newly installed [07:40] Alright. [07:41] brb i need a snoke to hopfully wake up a bit more [07:50] now some servers aren't found ... I'm getting frustrated [07:52] the proxy seems to have a function like allowKnubbig() { return (randomInt % 6 == 0); } :p [08:01] anyone know how to make startup applications work for ubuntu 11.10 [08:05] Okay... WTF. [08:06] When I do: aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav -- it works. [08:06] When I do it in X, I see: http://sprunge.us/UUKR [08:07] s/When I do:/& in the console, ttyX:/ [08:09] Is firefox ever going to have window gadgets that are consistent with the gtk ones? The tiny red buttons at the wrong side of the screen are a big putoff. [08:11] Interestingly, I can aplay with sudo. [08:19] Has anyone got NVIDIA + Separate X Screens to work in 11.10? Or with Unity in any version for that matter? [08:19] twinview is OK [08:20] Yes. [08:20] TwinView works, separate X does not. [08:20] I'm interested to know if Separate X can be made to work, however. [08:20] I had troubles with separate X before too so ended up with twinview [08:20] Well. [08:20] Separate X worked fine with Gnome Shell. [08:20] It's the Unity + Separate X that has problems. [08:21] go to gnome then [08:23] I have to sudo eclipse in order to get it to work with tomcat ... [08:31] Why the hell can't I set a system-wide proxy? That kinda sucks [08:31] YAY! I HAVE SOUND. [08:31] gz :) [08:32] I have no network connection in my Java progams ... [08:32] good idea to remove the system preferencex |( [08:34] Is there no possibility to set a system-wide proxy in 11.10? [08:35] oh there is :o [08:35] very well hidden [09:07] well I upgraded my Lenovo to the beta2 of kubuntu, and now it doesn't boot anymore [09:08] it gets stuck on loading initrd [09:09] but what's worse I can't get it to generate any error messages or logs whatsoever, so I have no idea what's wrong or how to figure it out [09:11] hiding all boot messages from the user seems like a great idea, but only until something goes wrong [09:23] Can anyone tell me the status of the Chromium Daily ppa? The last package updates were nearly a month ago. [09:24] drbobb, did you press the Shift key while booting to get the grub menu? [09:25] drbobb, You should boot into "recovery mode" [09:25] repete: like I said I get past the grub menu, both normal boot and recovery mode fail [09:25] drbobb, missed that sorry... thinking [09:25] I am able to boot a kernel left over from 11.04, but most drivers seem to be broken [09:25] drbobb, you upgraded from 11.04 to 11.10? [09:26] anybody has animations addons working ? [09:26] that allows me to explore the logfiles though, and I find nothing written there from the failed attempts at booting the 3.0 kernel [09:27] which means to me it got stuck in initrd and never even managed to mount the root fs [09:27] drbobb, have you tried booting from a live CD, mounting your root partition and running "update-grub"? [09:27] repete: grub is *not* broken [09:27] drbobb, no but you just told me you don't get past initrd. update-grub will regenerate the initrd [09:27] it boots the kernel properly, but then the kernel gets stuck [09:28] repete: is that correct? does update-grub regenerate initrd? I believe it only regenerates grub.conf [09:30] drbobb, ah, I may be thinking of the scripts that are run when upgrading the kernel... possibly `update-initramfs` is what you need. [09:31] repete: yeah I guess so. I can try that, but I don't expect it will help. The initrd is fresh already [09:32] this may have something to do with my rootfs being on lvm, though this was not a problem in past releases [09:33] drbobb, Well from the description of the problem it sounds like initramfs doesn't have the right drivers. the other possibility is a problem with mounting the filesystem. [09:33] repete: the old kernel mounts it just fine [09:33] it fails at graphics and networking, though [09:34] drbobb, It could lvm, but I'm no expert in it. I find it too complicated to be useful. [09:34] ahel, ok, so it isn't that it can't find the root filesystem [09:34] but recovery mode fails too.... [09:34] repete: it is incredibly useful with today's huge drives [09:35] drbobb, if it is failing at graphics and networking, maybe do recovery mode and make sure it uses vesafb? [09:36] well I wasn't quite accurate, it does load some working graphics driver but a seriously suboptimal one [09:36] which I could fix if I had networking [09:37] what I find seriously annoying is that even recovery mode spits out no boot messages [09:38] making it unnecessarily hard to figure out what broke [09:38] drbobb, do you get to a login prompt? [09:38] nope [09:38] I mean with the old kernel I do, but not with the 11.10 kernel [09:38] drbobb, can you get to /var/log/syslog or dmesg from a recover CD (or USB)? [09:39] as I said there is nothing in those logfiles to indicate that the 3.0 kernel was accessiing the root fs [09:41] I mean there is no sign that the 11.10 kernel was booted [09:46] if remaking initrd doesn't help, I'll try a fresh install on another logical volume (lvm makes it easy) [09:49] anyway I have a backup snapshot of 11.04, so I can be back in working order within minutes [09:49] but I'd really prefer to get 11.10 up and running [09:58] drbobb, sorry I couldn't help more. [09:58] repete: np [10:03] Thought it'd be jumping in here [10:09] biba [10:48] plz release a cherry pick fix for this Bug #859885...its impossible to use unity with this annoying bug :/ [10:48] Launchpad bug 859885 in unity (Ubuntu) "Minimizing a window should switch focus to the windows underneath it" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/859885 === bajk-tragbar is now known as BajK === BajK is now known as kbroulik [11:13] 11.10 should be released on the 15th seeing how it will be the 15th release. [11:13] LOL [11:13] one day after my bday :P [12:14] There seems to be a little problem when you want to share a folder and don't have Samba server package installed. [12:15] Since it wants to open up synaptic.desktop, which is missing. Synaptic is not installed by default. [12:16] Arnold: yep, you are right [12:17] So regularly, all it does is installs the 'samba' package? [12:18] Hmm. Installed it. So far so good. [12:24] I guess it can be managed in an old fashioned apt-get way to install 'samba'. [12:24] I alway prefer "apt-get way" :)) [12:24] Arnold: I'd file a bug for that though. [12:27] Alright, I'm on it. [12:29] Also, restarting the session isn't mandatory anymore. [12:29] nmpd and smbd are automatically started as soon as the package got installed. [12:31] Guess it's already being worked on. :P [12:46] hi all [12:47] what is this online accounts in the unity panel ? how useful is that ? [13:06] na i am not asking anyone anymore. [13:06] thanks for the advise though [13:06] it was mistake asking [13:08] !patient | murlidhar [13:08] Stanley00: :) [13:08] :)) [13:09] how to spell it, I mean some thing like "stay calm"? my English is very bad... :( [13:10] that is ok Stanley00 my native is not english either and my english is pretty bad too [13:10] i mean something and say something other and people misunderstand it [13:10] heehe [13:11] wrong chan mt [13:11] mt ? [13:12] gogogogogo LINUX [13:12] :) [13:12] good morning all my linux friends [13:13] morning g30 [13:13] good morning g30 [13:13] good evening g30 :)) [13:13] Hi [13:13] hows everything [13:13] great [13:13] g30 [13:13] how you like oneiric? [13:13] murlidhar: you mean ubuntu one? [13:13] very much [13:13] Great! [13:13] more than natty :)) [13:13] drussell: ? [13:13] with there was screensaver options tho [13:13] drussell: what you talking about [13:14] Excellent [13:14] wish [13:14] there will be [13:14] cant wait [13:15] but i have 11.10 on both laptop and desktop by itself no ms windows :) [13:15] not using unity [13:16] Thats great no windows ! [13:16] yep, locked in OS,lol [13:16] ah... brb all. need to reboot again. [13:20] '.; [13:20] opps [13:21] more updates, cool [13:35] Hey all [13:36] BluesKaj, hi there [13:39] hi thiebaude , how's things ? [13:42] Doing good here [13:42] i was getting coffee,lol [13:49] Hi all hows is all my linux friends doing this wonderful day! [13:52] is a mini.iso available yet for oneiric? [13:52] Was the unity launcher's behavior when clicking the button for an active minimized window changed? It used to restore the window, now it doesn't restore it if it's still active but minimized. [13:52] sagaci: yes, alway [13:53] how often is it updated? [13:53] sagaci: dont think it need update since it use almost from the internet [13:53] ah makes sense [13:54] GoGoGO LINUX! [13:54] DrGamut: maybe not, you have to switch to another app, then switch back... [13:55] Stanley00, I noticed that. But in 11.04 that wasn't the case. [13:55] anyone tried gnome 3? [13:55] I'm trying gnome 3 now. [13:55] If so what ya think? [13:55] Like, Dislike? [13:56] Stanley00, rather in 11.04 - when you minimized a window it was no longer active - so you could click once to restore it. [13:56] Stanley00, seemed more intuitive. [13:56] g30, undecided, it's got a lot in common with Unity. [13:56] Have you used older ver.... of gnome? [13:56] Yes long time gnome user. [13:56] DrGamut: hmm, I havent notice this before... :)) [13:56] This is a radical change. [13:56] lol [13:57] Is it good or bad for you? [13:57] I can't say, instinctively I'm frustrated to not have my double panels always on screen with lots of menus. [13:57] But I can definitely appreciate it aesthetically. [13:57] It's pretty. [13:57] Also [13:58] Minimize and maximize buttons on the titlebars are gone [13:58] Nice [13:58] Personally I hate it! lol [13:58] I know use KDE only :) [13:58] now [13:58] Like I said, it's got a lot in common with Unity. I think people that dislike Unity will probably dislike Gnome 3. [13:59] I dont use ubuntu :) but do like unity, its clean [13:59] But if you like this new tablet-esque style, then you have a choice. [13:59] Between Unity and Gnome 3. [13:59] gnome 3 will be the downfall of gnome ! [14:00] Wasn't too long ago that KDE4 was to be the downfall of KDE. [14:00] They can't all die. :P [14:00] Not sure, I have been using bother for long time..... I always used kde and loved it but also grew close to gnome's panels :) now gnome is ruined [14:01] I think I could get used to this. I'm not sure if this direction both Ubuntu and Gnome are going in with desktop interfaces is appropriate. [14:01] But it has something to it. [14:01] :) [14:02] Unity come out just in time to take all the Xgnome users [14:02] smart buisness move [14:02] Hi everyone - how is Ubuntu 11.10 BETA 2 lookin'? [14:02] At the moment I'm preferring Gnome 3 to Unity, there's some unintuitive behavior of Unity that I don't like at the moment. [14:03] Also the global menu bar is just too strange for me. [14:03] LaWU, ok here on laptop and desktop [14:03] hi [14:03] Really? Wow, are you using oneiric unity? [14:03] thiebaude or me? [14:04] are there any btrfs defragment tools or something to make it work better? [14:04] its a lot more intuitive in 11.10 than 11.4 [14:04] g30, it's really bothering me that windows are still active when you minimize them [14:04] lol [14:04] anyhow to each is own ! I say what ever you like , go for it [14:04] me myself am in loive with a girl name Suse [14:04] Ah [14:04] think they will fix that [14:04] like x'ing certain apps closes them instead of min [14:05] still some bugs [14:05] but I found 11.10 to be far superior to 11.4 [14:05] brb :) [14:05] I hope so, I set my mothers computer up with vanilla ubuntu [14:05] she has grown used to Unity already [14:05] DrGamut: vanilla ubuntu? [14:05] All default applications [14:05] default desktop environment [14:05] etc. [14:06] oh [14:15] flash video works well on websites , but the audio is silent ..flv files work fine on their own with a player . So I need to track down what seems to be a missing lib perhaps ..any suggestions/ideas ? === shadeslayer is now known as shocklateboy42 === shocklateboy42 is now known as shadeslayer [14:24] BluesKaj, not sure but there was just an update to adobe flash [14:30] thiebaude, thanks , just updated , now we'll see if it helped. [14:30] ok BluesKaj , [14:31] no, there's no missing lib [14:31] im on my laptop now, need to get on the desktop and those recent updates, but usally on the desktop full screen flash is terrible [14:31] nope , still no audio :( [14:32] and get updates [14:32] BluesKaj, have you tried different browsers? [14:33] does html5 video/audio work? [14:33] does any audio of any kind work in a browser [14:33] hang on , lemme check , bjsnider [14:33] does flash audio work if you switch to analog from spdif [14:37] hello hello [14:38] audio ok here, but need to get updates on the desktop to see if audio is ok [14:38] hey dashavoo [14:38] flash audio stopped working for me too [14:38] on 11.04 [14:38] brb [14:38] (11.10 is quite broken for me atm) [14:38] I can't remember if I installed any updates last night or not, but today I don't seem to have wifi on my desktop... any known regressions? [14:39] & I already wasted 2 or 3 hours trying to fix flash audio [14:39] but the only workaround I found was booting to windows [14:40] all other audio works? [14:41] regular audio works just fine [14:42] well over hdmi it doesn't [14:42] but that never worked anyway [14:43] bjsnider, no audio on FF or chromium , no audio with HTML5 either ..and I have no analog feed from my soundcard , it's all digital. [14:44] well atm nothing works cause my laptop doesn't boot [14:44] (I don't count windows as booting) [14:45] BluesKaj, http://people.xiph.org/~maikmerten/demos/bigbuckbunny-videoonly.html [14:45] is there audio if you play that? [14:46] i don't believe your sound card has only digital ports [14:47] there have to be stereo ports [14:47] where you could plug phones in, or possibly rca plugs [14:48] I usually play audio over bluetooth, works great (except for flash) [14:50] also if I want to plug hdmi into my tv I boot into windows, no audio there with linux [14:51] you have to manually switch the audio to hdmi in pulse [14:51] Need opinion I am going to buy a new laptop. I was thinking ether sandy bridge or the AMD counter part. besides normal stuff like surfing and gedit, I like to beable to good dual monitor support, urban Terror and may warcraft 3. What do yo think is the best option? [14:51] assuming you have a regular sound chip [14:52] i am an intel partisan [14:52] bjsnider , it's a m-audio "audiophile 192" souncdard with spdif insd and outs , unfortunately i don't have the breakout cables for the analog section yet. However, my on board soundcard was connected only by the digital coax out / spdif , and I had no problems with web audio , using that except for the crappy sound quality [14:52] Jcook_5xData, i would go for a laptop that nvidia grahics, imho [14:52] Jcook_5xData, amd is cheaper but their commitment to linux is far less impressive than intel. i would stick with intel if i'm using linux [14:52] refresh rate on ati is terrible [14:53] dual monitor support good on intel? [14:53] it does not go higher than that on ati [14:53] yes [14:53] but nvidia on my desktop i get 85 [14:53] hz [14:54] but that goodness i can set the resolution on ati in ubuntu, but not on windows [14:54] Jcook_5xData, be sure when you buy it that if it's got hybrid graphics, there is a switch int he bios to turn it off because hybrid is not well supported in linux [14:55] BluesKaj, should have bought the m-audio transit. i have no problems with it [14:55] plus, it has a 12 foot usb cable [14:56] bjsnider: I believe you can set audio out in pulse in priority order, so out of BT, HDMI and stereo the first one found connected is used [14:56] nevertheless I think HDMI audio never worked for me [14:56] yeah but if you are not getting audio on hdmi it may be because you didn't tell pulse to use it int he first place [14:56] Cool I will double check that. [14:57] well I can check that HDMI bit out as soon as I get my Lenovo to boot again [14:58] bjsnider, , I'll figure this out eventually ..maybe just need the breakout cables .. and telling me about the m-audio transit after the fact doesn't help me now does it . [14:59] Neither Unity or Gnome 3 seem to support Separate X View. [15:00] TwinView is the only option. [15:00] For those DEs. [15:02] Does anyone know of a wifi-related regression in the past couple of days updates? (sorry for repeating ;)) [15:04] bbiab... [15:16] oh, I forgot about that... [15:16] cds don't work unless present at boot [15:16] grrr [15:16] now I have to reboot [15:16] living life on the edge can be annoying [15:18] cds "don't work"? [15:20] I see we're back to using nspluginwrapper again ...bummer [15:20] how come? [15:21] bjsnider: audio cds only seem to work for me if they are present at boot in oneiric. If they aren't, a dialogue comes up asking me to open in Amarok, but amarok can't play them, and nothing can rip them. If they are present at boot, everything is fine and dandy [15:21] BluesKaj, i thought maybe you could take that card back [15:22] sometimes cddb lookup works without being present at boot, other times not [15:22] Ian_Corne, flashplugin update left me with no flash at all , so I installed the flashplugin-installer , and during the install nspluginwrapper was installed as well. [15:23] I just found a bug report on launchpad for a similar (although slightly less terrible) problem. Almost certainly different degrees of the same problem. [15:26] if you are on 64-bit and want 32-bit plugin install browser:i386 and flashplugin:i386 [15:36] bjsnider, I thought multiarch support take care of 32 bit apps on 64 bit OSs === Logan_ is now known as Guest4560 === Shadows`sleep is now known as SoulShadow [16:01] BluesKaj, i just tried to duplicate your setup here. i have all analog audio inlcuding browser audio working fine through the toslink and passthrough working too in mplayer. and i didn't have to edit a single text file. [16:08] bjsnider, are you using pulseaudio in phonon ? [16:09] well, i'm using gnome, so no phonon, but i am using pulseaudio [16:09] ok, I thought you were on kse [16:09] kde [16:14] bbiab ...lunch [16:19] is there any way to tell from the output of an apt-cache search what repo a particular package is coming from? [16:24] apt-cache policy can do that [16:40] suddenly realized FF7 no longer supports h.264 video...anyone else notice this ? [16:44] seems the devs have put us into a regressive state right now ...something gone wrong with flash and other media deveopment for 11.10 ? [16:45] or browser adaptation ? [16:46] BluesKaj, you use firefox? [16:46] chromium seems ok with h.264 tho [16:46] BluesKaj: i have noticed that avi playback is like pulling teeth [16:46] flash fullscreen on my desktop is awful [16:51] jetsaredim, thiebaude , try the youtube HTML5 trial with FF ..browser supported web apps are listed near the bottom . http://www.youtube.com/html5 [16:52] yes, h264 is missing [16:54] Ian_Corne, ok thanks [17:10] i 'm not able to login anymore... [17:12]