| TheMuso | Ouch. | 00:01 |
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| TheMuso | maco: Thanks for that, I'll probably set things up to rebuild the files instead, and only have a text diff for that change, as it will likely be cleaner. | 00:39 |
| maco | ok. i wasnt sure about heavily modifying debian/rules just in ubuntu...seemed like merge hell | 00:40 |
| maco | but you have debian access so you can avoid that i guess :P | 00:40 |
| TheMuso | Yeah I don't mind doing that. | 00:40 |
| TheMuso | ./c | 03:03 |
| TheMuso | maco: Thanks for your work on espeak. I merged it into the git vcs branch for Ubuntu, as well as picking some other changes from Debian. I converted it to a patch, since Debian is using quilt v3 format, and I altered debian/rules to rebuild the english dictionary on package build. | 04:34 |
| maco | TheMuso: you rock | 05:27 |
| * AlanBell hugs maco and TheMuso | 06:17 | |
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| Fudge | what were you compiling espeak for guys | 09:49 |
| AlanBell | Fudge: to add pronunciation hints for "oneiric" and "ocelot" | 09:53 |
| Fudge | nice | 09:58 |
| Fudge | AlanBell is it usable yet, oneiric? | 10:01 |
| AlanBell | it is getting there | 10:03 |
| AlanBell | there are significant improvements in the ubiquity installer about to arrive (not sure they made todays build) | 10:03 |
| AlanBell | there is a problem with unity and it reading out "button" for every app rather than the app name, but I think that will be fixed soon | 10:04 |
| Fudge | gets me why ubuntu has gone down this unity path | 10:16 |
| Fudge | think ill be happy with xfce is more accessible | 10:17 |
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| === API is now known as Guest99583 | ||
| === Guest99583 is now known as apinheiro | ||
| AlanBell | what other burning issues are there for a11y in oneiric? | 14:54 |
| AlanBell | the installer is becoming reasonable | 14:55 |
| AlanBell | unity2d and orca are not exactly friends, but I think that might come together before release | 14:55 |
| AlanBell | onboard can type into unity 2d but not 3d | 14:56 |
| AlanBell | the release can pronounce it's own codename :) | 14:57 |
| AlanBell | Pendulum: any other bit issues you know about? | 15:03 |
| Pendulum | off the top of my head, no, but I haven't sorted through my bugmail recently ;-) | 15:08 |
| AlanBell | charlie-tca: hi | 16:47 |
| charlie-tca | Hello, AlanBell | 16:47 |
| AlanBell | what are the showstopper a11y bugs from your point of view now? | 16:47 |
| AlanBell | the installer is getting better | 16:48 |
| charlie-tca | I have to look again. Onboard is looking good. We still have at-spi crashing upgrades | 16:48 |
| AlanBell | onboard works with unity 2d but not 3d (works for applications in 3d, just not the dash) | 16:48 |
| charlie-tca | We can release note 2d for a11y | 16:49 |
| AlanBell | unity 2d and the "everything is called button" bug might get fixed | 16:49 |
| charlie-tca | That would be nice. | 16:49 |
| charlie-tca | I will look the list over today and see, but I don't know of any show-stoppers yet. | 16:50 |
| AlanBell | against all expectations this might come together as a decent release | 16:51 |
| charlie-tca | That would be really good | 16:51 |
| AlanBell | hopefully the LTS will be testable sooner so we are dealing with small bugs not show stoppers | 16:54 |
| AlanBell | we should line up a blog article for release day | 16:55 |
| charlie-tca | A blog article would be great. Especially with the Ctrl+s working | 17:00 |
| charlie-tca | But I won't have time to write that one | 17:01 |
| Pendulum | AlanBell: do you want to do it or I can? | 17:04 |
| AlanBell | we can both do it | 17:04 |
| AlanBell | but I need to do chargeable stuff this week :) | 17:04 |
| joanie | is there a supersecret keystroke to get to the top panel to choose shutdown from the login screen? | 17:47 |
| joanie | and then to give focus to the resulting window to choose restart/shutdown? | 17:47 |
| charlie-tca | F10 should get you to and from the panel, arrow keys navigate across | 17:54 |
| charlie-tca | Oh, login screen... | 17:55 |
| charlie-tca | Maybe it will work, maybe we have to wait for TheMuso to tell us the real keys | 17:55 |
| joanie | charlie-tca: thanks lemme try that. Although once I clicked the resulting dialog was still inaccessible | 17:57 |
| joanie | f10 sweet | 17:57 |
| joanie | thanks charlie-tca | 17:57 |
| charlie-tca | you are welcome | 17:57 |
| joanie | that just leaves the dialog (the "are you sure you want to close all programs bla bla" one) | 17:57 |
| joanie | oh nice, screen reader is in the Ubuntu/Unity accessibility menu :-) | 17:58 |
| charlie-tca | I have issues with those dialogs | 17:59 |
| charlie-tca | small gains, but important ones, too. | 17:59 |
| * joanie is setting up a dual-boot system with Unity and Fedora so that she can test everything | 17:59 | |
| joanie | s/Unity/Ubuntu/ I need a nap it seems :-) | 18:00 |
| TheMuso | Unfortunately lightdm is still lacking some code to actually launch orca. A bug has been filed, but not much has happened with it yet... | 21:59 |
| TheMuso | Bug 850554 | 22:00 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 850554 in unity-greeter "Enabling screen reader and on-screen keyboard options from the a11y indicator do not start the application in question." [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/850554 | 22:00 |
| charlie-tca | well, that is not the best thing going then :( | 22:02 |
| maco | crap | 22:03 |
| maco | TheMuso: lightdm is in what language? | 22:03 |
| TheMuso | maco: GObject C. | 22:03 |
| TheMuso | Sorry, the greeter is in vala. | 22:03 |
| TheMuso | So still GObject based. | 22:03 |
| maco | hmm ive never done vala, but ive used gobject before... | 22:04 |
| maco | i can attempt a look tonight | 22:04 |
| TheMuso | Ok thanks. Bare in mind what I said in that bug. | 22:04 |
| charlie-tca | And that brings me to a couple of other bugs, that I don't know how important it is to try and get fixed: | 22:09 |
| charlie-tca | bug 856782 | 22:09 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 856782 in ubiquity "Prepare: Unable to read system requirements with a screen reader" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/856782 | 22:09 |
| charlie-tca | bug 856773 | 22:09 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 856773 in ubiquity "Welcome Screen: Cannot reach 'release notes' link with keyboard only." [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/856773 | 22:09 |
| charlie-tca | I think we can work around the second one by telling users to read the release notes before starting the install | 22:09 |
| charlie-tca | TheMuso: Can you push bug 781385 through tonight? | 22:11 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 781385 in ubiquity "Ubiquity GTK should have useful accessible names set in the Glade .ui files instead of using the variable names" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/781385 | 22:11 |
| charlie-tca | It will be a lot better if we can get it through the queue | 22:11 |
| TheMuso | charlie-tca: Its in ubiquity already afaik, i.e in the source tree. It just requires Colin or Evan to upload it. | 22:11 |
| charlie-tca | Okay, I will ask them tomorrow to do that, then. It could sit through final if we don't insist on it, sometimes. | 22:12 |
| AlanBell | charlie-tca: I don't consider 856782 or 856773 to be show stoppers | 22:37 |
| AlanBell | 850554 is more so I think | 22:38 |
| charlie-tca | Oh, okay. I don't think we have any more besides 850554 that are, then | 22:38 |
| AlanBell | and for the lightdm bug, launching onboard is probably more critical than orca | 22:41 |
| AlanBell | assuming a single user system | 22:41 |
| TheMuso | AlanBell: I don't agree. | 22:43 |
| TheMuso | We have had accessible login for a while no, it is a regression if we don't have it. | 22:43 |
| charlie-tca | except if it doesn't autologin, in which case lightdm needs to kick orca | 22:43 |
| charlie-tca | I think with unity 2d/3d/xfce/gnome, users need to be able to use orca anywhere | 22:44 |
| TheMuso | charlie-tca: I feel that accessibility should be better next cycle, that is as long as DX/unity 2d devs don't go breaking things on us again. | 22:45 |
| charlie-tca | I have hopes, too | 22:46 |
| TheMuso | I will be doing more work to polish accessibility, both in the installer, and on the desktop in general. | 22:46 |
| AlanBell | TheMuso: yes, I want both orca and onboard to be startable at lightdm and it would be a regression | 22:46 |
| charlie-tca | If they don't break it completely, we should do well | 22:46 |
| TheMuso | Agreed. | 22:46 |
| TheMuso | My focus next cycle will be making things more accessible. I already have many a work item drafted for this. | 22:46 |
| AlanBell | my point was if you don't have a hard keyboard you are totally stuffed when typing your password | 22:47 |
| charlie-tca | My goal for accessibility should probably bringing the wiki up to date again | 22:47 |
| AlanBell | I am hoping that next cycle we spend longer finding and fixing smaller bugs | 22:48 |
| AlanBell | this time the huge issues have been getting in the way of finding the smaller ones | 22:48 |
| charlie-tca | Yup, Hopefully, we have accessibility working from at least alpha1, which would give us more time to find and fix things | 22:49 |
| AlanBell | I think the drums at the start of ubiquity are coming a bit early | 22:52 |
| AlanBell | if you hit ctrl+s when you hear the drums orca doesn't start | 22:52 |
| AlanBell | need to wait a few seconds before it is ready to listen to ctrl+s I think | 22:53 |
| charlie-tca | Something we note if it doesn't get fixed? | 22:53 |
| AlanBell | could be my machine being slow | 22:54 |
| TheMuso | AlanBell: Ok, something to experiment with in the P cycle, its just a matter of moving the call to play the sound. | 22:55 |
| TheMuso | AlanBell: Were you running from USB or CD? | 22:55 |
| AlanBell | cd that time | 22:55 |
| TheMuso | Right. | 22:55 |
| TheMuso | I must admit I have only tested with USB recently. | 22:55 |
| TheMuso | Hate wasting CD-Rs. | 22:55 |
| charlie-tca | Might be good to file a bug for it, so we don't lose it | 22:55 |
| TheMuso | I'll add it to my work items list | 22:56 |
| AlanBell | I have about a thousand CDRWs | 22:56 |
| TheMuso | As I am preparing a blueprint. | 22:56 |
| charlie-tca | Okay | 22:56 |
| AlanBell | I will try it again a few times, I have only observed it once | 22:57 |
| charlie-tca | I will too, but not today | 22:57 |
| AlanBell | maybe twice, I thought I had the wrong keystroke before but maybe it was a timing issue | 22:58 |
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