[00:05] <jasoncwarner_> hey RAOF , I'm adding bug #824099 to a must-fix list for oneiric. you pretty confident on this getting done for Oneiric?
[00:05] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 824099 in gnome-settings-daemon "Max GL texture size can break multi-head" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/824099
[00:08] <RAOF> jasoncwarner_:  Reasonably so.  My first go doesn't seem to work properly, so I'm instrumenting it to see where.  It *should* be done within the next few days.
[00:09] <jasoncwarner_> RAOF: need some help with it or is this one of those where more hands make it harder?
[00:12] <RAOF> I don't think more hands would be particularly helpful.
[00:12] <RAOF> If I stall I'll give a shout.
[00:15] <jasoncwarner_> RAOF: great, thanks...
[00:18] <robert_ancell> RAOF, hey, can you look at bug 813566 and see if my conclusions about g-s-d+xrandr make sense to you?
[00:18] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 813566 in unity-greeter "Greeter not displayed correctly on multi monitor setup" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/813566
[00:18] <robert_ancell> particularly the issue that Rocko is getting, not sure if there's anything we can do about that (in the greeter)
[00:19] <RAOF> robert_ancell: Certainly.  Looking.
[00:23] <RAOF> robert_ancell: That looks right to me - I guess you could do something about it in the greeter by not loading g-s-d's xrandr plugin, though.
[00:23] <robert_ancell> RAOF, if I didn't, then would the behaviour always be mirror?
[00:23] <RAOF> Yes.
[00:23] <RAOF> That's X's default setup
[00:24] <robert_ancell> ok, that seems like the safest behaviour
[00:24] <RAOF> FWIW that's also the behaviour I *currently* see with lightdm, and also the behaviour I saw with gdm.
[00:26] <robert_ancell> yeah, I get the same too (unless I plug in a monitor after lightdm starts)
[00:26] <robert_ancell> I wonder why people are getting different
[00:26] <RAOF> I'd guess they'll have a monitors.xml lying around somewhere.
[00:26] <RAOF> There was a setting at one point to make that system-wide, wasn't there?
[00:26] <robert_ancell> ah
[00:27] <bryceh> ~/.config/monitors.xml
[00:27] <bryceh> RAOF, yes, although I'm not sure where that would put the file.
[00:28] <broder> i don't see anything in gnome-desktop that would write out a system-level file
[00:29] <broder> even going back a few releases
[00:29] <bryceh> broder, in the gui in natty it's a button that says 'Make Default'
[00:30] <bryceh> org.gnome.randr.install-system-wide
[00:30] <RAOF> There's no guarantee that's hooked up to anything, though :)
[00:30] <robert_ancell> bryceh, did we drop that or did upstream do it?
[00:30] <bryceh> guessing it's in some global gconf registry
[00:30] <bryceh> robert_ancell, I would guess upstream did; seb128 might know better
[00:31] <broder> unless this changed pre-maverick, g-s-d doesn't have any awareness of specific filenames - it gets them all from gnome-desktop
[00:36] <broder> aha - /apps/gnome_settings_daemon/xrandr/default_configuration_file -> /etc/gnome-settings-daemon/xrandr/monitors.xml
[00:36] <broder> but i'm still not convinced anything looks at that
[00:38] <broder> nope! wrong again. g-s-d looks at ~/.config/monitors.xml, then /etc/g-s-d/etc
[00:45] <RAOF> Success!  I've accidentally done a test patch that refuses to configure a non-broken desktop, but that just shows that it's working :)
[00:56] <robert_ancell> RAOF, disabling xrandr makes it work well, cheers
[01:05] <RAOF> Ok.  What's the best way to distinguish between running Unity and running Unity2D?
[01:07] <RAOF> Hm.  Or, perhaps a better question - what's the best way to distinguish whether or not Compiz is running?
[01:09] <TheMuso> RAOF: I know various ways of doing so in shell scripts, but not in C. :)
[01:09] <TheMuso> Or at least, nothing that is not a horrible hack.
[01:09] <TheMuso> Or at least, nothing that is not a horrible hack./c
[01:10] <RAOF> At a pinch I think I could query for the compositor selection.
[01:12] <RAOF> Or, my current simplest candidate, check the DESKTOP_SESSION environment for "ubuntu" rather than "ubuntu-2d"
[01:14] <TheMuso> Yeah that could work, but it ties the fix to Ubuntu...
[01:16] <RAOF> Which I'm actually ok with.
[01:16] <RAOF> Because the *real* solution is for compositors to be less crap.
[01:17] <TheMuso> Right.
[01:18] <cyphermox> jbicha: I can't confirm your changes fix bug 846908
[01:18] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 846908 in gnome-contacts "gnome-contacts crashed with SIGSEGV in folks_persona_store_add_persona_from_details()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/846908
[01:19] <cyphermox> jbicha: furthermore, I'm of the opinion that it should be a recommends or suggests, since it's not absolutely required for gnome-contacts to work
[01:24] <broder> RAOF: i think there's an X selection to indicate that the wm is compositing
[01:24] <broder> _NET_WM_CM_Sn, where "n" is the screen number
[01:24] <jbicha> cyphermox: I get the crash when I click the + button in Contacts
[01:25] <jbicha> furthermore, it doesn't pick up my contacts from g-o-a without it
[01:25] <cyphermox> jbicha: it works for me without it
[01:26] <cyphermox> and I still get the crash with :)
[01:26] <RAOF> broder: Indeed there is.  However, that breaks unity2d users who've enabled compositing in metacity.
[01:26] <jbicha> cyphermox: and you have a Google account set up in g-o-a?
[01:27] <cyphermox> yup
[01:27] <cyphermox> I see contacts, they could only have come from google.
[01:29] <jbicha> cyphermox: do you use Evolution?
[01:29] <cyphermox> I do, it's all set up with my work and personal email
[01:29] <cyphermox> (I use both evo and thunderbird)
[01:29] <jbicha> it might pick up your contacts from Evolution...
[01:30] <jbicha> I think adding the dependency gets contacts working on a fresh install w/o Evolution
[01:31] <cyphermox> mkay, but I maintain it shouldn't be required; it's crashing because there's a bug in gnome-contacts
[01:32] <cyphermox> (not that it couldn't be a Recommends though)
[01:33] <jbicha> would you sponsor as a recommends then?
[01:36] <broder> RAOF: does compositing-metacity not have this problem as well?
[01:37] <cyphermox> jbicha: well, I could, but we should fix the bug too
[01:37] <cyphermox> any idea what might be causing it?
[01:38] <jbicha> cyphermox: no, but there's bug 846908
[01:38] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 846908 in gnome-contacts "gnome-contacts crashed with SIGSEGV in folks_persona_store_add_persona_from_details()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/846908
[01:38] <RAOF> broder: No.  This is only a problem for compositors which use GL and aren't capable of splitting a window into multiple textures.
[01:38] <jbicha> I don't know anything about libfolks
[01:39] <RAOF> broder: So any non-GL compositors are fine, as is compiz if you enable the split-my-windows plugin and don't use Unity (which has additional problems).  I don't know about gnome-shell.
[01:39] <cyphermox> jbicha: also, http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-contacts/commit/?id=cc6422a1a39d936eadd98d734c289aa70d4f38bc
[01:40] <broder> RAOF: oh, huh. i didn't realize metacity composited without using GL
[01:40] <RAOF> There's perfectly funtional 2D compositing infrastructure in XRender :)
[01:41] <jbicha> cyphermox: ok, I see they rolled a new tarball for that so I'll test that first
[01:42] <jbicha> oh nm, we already have 3.2.0.1
[01:42] <cyphermox> oh, so we have it?
[01:43] <jbicha> yes
[01:50] <jbicha> I think bug 835498 is serious since g-o-a is a very prominent button but it doesn't do anything in the default install
[01:50] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 835498 in gnome-online-accounts ""Online Accounts" doesn't seem to work" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/835498
[01:50] <jbicha> adding gnome-contacts to the default install would help but as we can see, it's not fully tested
[01:54] <cyphermox> jbicha: that's not related to gnome-contacts
[01:54] <cyphermox> gnome-contacts is afaik just a contact viewer
[01:57] <jbicha> g-o-a claims to sync mail, calendar, contacts, chat, and documents & it doesn't do any of that in default
[02:15] <RAOF> jasoncwarner_: I've got a working patch for the texture size bug.  Now to clean it up and propose a branch merge; some review wouldn't go astray.
[03:05] <cyphermox> jbicha: I don't know, I could see my google contacts in evo
[03:06] <cyphermox> jbicha: and I didn't add that elsewhere than g-o-a, unless evo now extrapolates google contact accounts from email accounts (doubtful)
[03:20] <jbicha> cyphermox: right, it works in Evolution but not in Thunderbird yet, I'm surprised that GTalk didn't appear to be setup for Empathy though
[03:21] <TheMuso> jbicha: I didn't think you could work with google contacts in thunderbird without the correct extension...
[03:21] <cyphermox> mkay but the thunderbird part may only be because there is g-o-a instrumentation in both eds and evo, from what I remember
[03:22] <cyphermox> otoh, you're right it should appear in empathy, I think, but maybe it hasn't been enabled?
[03:23] <jbicha> I expect Thunderbird to support g-o-a for 12.04
[03:28] <cyphermox> jbicha, I started looking at the crash, but it's being a pain in the ass (and I can't seem to compile gnome-contacts now), so I'll get back to it later
[03:28] <cyphermox> I may have found a way to get more information for my annoying libnl / wired and wifi connected at the same time NM bug, so I'll drop off to do some more testing
[03:51] <pitti> Good morning
[03:51] <TheMuso> Morning pitti.
[03:52] <pitti> mdeslaur: cups security fix> okay; I usually prefer uploading to Debian and syncing, but I can still do that after your upload
[03:58] <pitti> awesome; now keyboard *and* mouse operation of menus is broken *sigh*
[04:00] <cyphermox> dah
[04:01] <cyphermox> pitti: know much about libnl?
[04:01] <pitti> cyphermox: nothing at all, I'm afraid
[04:01] <cyphermox> mmkay
[04:03] <jbicha> pitti: howdy
[04:04] <pitti> hey jbicha, how are you?
[04:05] <jbicha> doing good, could you take a look at bug 859955 when you're able
[04:05] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 859955 in ubuntu "[FFe] [needs-packaging] meta-gnome3" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/859955
[04:06] <pitti> will do
[04:22] <RAOF> Huh.  Is there a UDD branch for gnome-desktop3?
[04:23] <pitti> RAOF: there ought to be
[04:23] <pitti> $ bzr branch ubuntu:gnome-desktop3
[04:23] <pitti> Most recent Ubuntu version: 3.2.0-0ubuntu1
[04:23] <pitti> Packaging branch status: CURRENT
[04:23] <pitti> RAOF: looks fine?
[04:23] <RAOF> Ah, the ubuntu: specifier.  Of course.
[04:24] <RAOF> Clearly I haven't been touching Desktop packages enough recently :)
[04:25] <robert_ancell> pitti, can you have a look at unity-greeter in the queue?
[04:27] <pitti> robert_ancell: sure, I'm watching the queue anyway
[04:56] <robert_ancell> pitti, what's the absolute last time for uploads to oneiric?  midnight 29th?
[04:56] <pitti> robert_ancell: something around october 10
[04:57] <pitti> but of course justifying an upload at that time will take some effort ;)
[04:57] <robert_ancell> pitti, so when do the iso's get made for the rc?  I really don't want to upload anything after that
[04:57] <pitti> robert_ancell: final freeze is on Thursday, so changes before can still be a bit more liberal, i. e. fix "normal" bugs as well
[04:58] <pitti> robert_ancell: around october 3
[05:41] <didrocks> good morning
[05:41] <pitti> bonjour didrocks, ca va?
[05:41] <RAOF> Hey didrocks
[05:41] <didrocks> guten morgen pitti. I'm fine, thanks, you?
[05:41] <didrocks> hey RAOF :)
[05:42] <pitti> didrocks: pretty well; at least until I saw my mail box this morning :)
[05:43] <didrocks> pitti: too many emails? :)
[05:44] <pitti> yeah :/
[05:52] <RAOF> Bah.  How do I propose a merge for https://code.launchpad.net/~raof/gnome-desktop/workaround-bug-824099 ?
[05:52] <RAOF> Or, failing that, could I get a review of that patch? :)
[05:53] <pitti> RAOF: "bzr lp-propose"
[05:53] <pitti> I find that rather easy to use
[05:53] <RAOF> bzr lp-propose tries to merge it into lp:gnome-desktop, which isn't the packaging branch.  "bzr lp-propose lp:ubuntu/gnome-desktop3" errors out with "bzr: ERROR: bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/%2Bbranch/ubuntu/gnome-desktop3/ is not registered on Launchpad"
[05:53] <pitti> uh, what?
[05:54] <pitti> RAOF: it should merge into the "pull" branch
[05:54] <pitti> RAOF: what does "bzr info" say?
[05:54] <pitti> RAOF: did you do "bzr branch lp:gnome-desktop3" instead of ubuntu:gnome-desktop3?
[05:55] <pitti> RAOF: the other option is to "bzr lp-open", click on "propose for merging", and select lp:ubuntu/g-d3
[05:57] <RAOF> Ok, doing it manually worked.
[05:59] <RAOF> https://code.launchpad.net/~raof/gnome-desktop/workaround-bug-824099/+merge/77097 is now ready for someone's review.
[06:00] <pitti> RAOF: can you please subscribe ubuntu-doc to the bug and ask for a string freeze exception?
[06:00] <pitti> erm, ubuntu-translators
[06:00] <RAOF> Ah, yeah.  Thanks.
[06:00] <pitti> wow, that's quite a large workaround :)
[06:00]  * pitti brb, testing new glib
[06:01] <RAOF> There's a lot of boiler plate involved in getting a GL context :)
[06:04] <RAOF> And, of course, you want to do it in a different process so that you don't crash if GL is crashy.
[06:19] <RAOF> pitti: Done, and mail sent to translators list.
[06:21] <pitti> RAOF: cheers
[06:48] <didrocks> pitti: for bug #805252, it's the new Cimi's patch introducing the issue
[06:48] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 805252 in unity-foundations "appmenu shows nautilus menu when desktop is displayed" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/805252
[06:48] <pitti> hm, I thought we had the menu in natty as well
[06:48] <didrocks> pitti: basically, the menu is shown first if there is no renderer
[06:48] <pitti> or maybe I asked for keeping it, but it was removed anyway :)
[06:48] <didrocks> hum, I guess it's when you are not in unity/unity-2d
[06:48] <didrocks> let me look if it's this one
[06:49] <didrocks> ah not this one
[06:49] <didrocks> ok, this one is about the nautilus appmenu patch not being updated
[06:49] <didrocks> as we had a tweak menu for the desktop
[06:50] <didrocks> I pinged tedg for the last 3 months on that, raised the priority and such
[06:50] <didrocks> seems dx doesn't care
[06:50] <didrocks> it's really easy to break your oneiric
[06:50] <didrocks> click on File -> New tab
[06:51] <didrocks> shouldn't it be high?
[06:52] <chrisccoulson> RAOF, how does your patch affect startup time? ;)
[06:59] <pitti> didrocks: hm, now I don't get the menu at all
[06:59] <didrocks> pitti: oh? if you focus the desktop, no menu in the unity panel?
[07:00] <pitti> didrocks: ah, had to restart nautilus, now it's "working" again
[07:00] <pitti> didrocks: file -> new window works fine; new tab wreaks havoc, yes
[07:00] <pitti> I do like to be able to open bookmarks, though
[07:00] <pitti> but anyway, no strong opinion there, I just wondered why it was considered so urgent
[07:00] <didrocks> pitti: right, but you can have a lot of options that are not relevant
[07:01] <didrocks> like showing the side pane
[07:01] <pitti> yeah, I guess so
[07:01] <didrocks> we had a nice menu last cycle
[07:01] <didrocks> an the quicklist we wanted to add is relying on this patch
[07:01] <didrocks> it just had to be updated to GNOME 3, which is what was asked to dx as they did that patch
[07:01] <didrocks> (and it's not really trivial)
[07:02] <didrocks> I think, as with the current options, we can break the desktop, it should be fixed before finale
[07:02] <didrocks> I'll reping *once more* dx about it
[07:06] <didrocks> pitti: can I reset it to high? I guess it really needs to be fixed before final freeze
[07:06] <czajkowski> aloha all
[07:16] <mvo> haha - I hit alt-f2, then typed "ccsm", enter and … mumble starts
[07:16] <didrocks> mvo: known issue, targeted for next unity release for a month already…
[07:17] <didrocks> (it happens in the dash, all lenses)
[07:17] <mvo> ta
[07:18] <didrocks> pitti: I retitle the bug report to make it not ambigous
[07:19] <pitti> didrocks: thanks
[07:19] <kamstrup> mvo: did you get to the bottom of the ecryptfs vs mmap() issue?
[07:21] <mvo> kamstrup: not to the bottom unfortunately, I uploaded a "fix" that in s-c that will not use mmap plus it has a try/except to ensure it does not fail but I'm not entirely sure why it is failing on ecryptfs
[07:21] <mvo> kamstrup: especially since its not failing all the time for me, just sometimes
[07:21] <chrisccoulson> hey didrocks
[07:22] <didrocks> good morning chrisccoulson
[07:22] <chrisccoulson> i tried unity again last night, and hit bug 832150 ;)
[07:22] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 832150 in unity "ubuntu desktop unity. Mouse at the left side doesn't reveal launcher" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/832150
[07:22] <chrisccoulson> how are you? :)
[07:22] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: I'm ok, you?
[07:22] <kamstrup> mvo: that's basically the general story with ecryptfs :-/ believe me; we spend many hours on odd bugs related to it in zeitgeist
[07:22] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: yeah, known issue as well, but I guess no bug report was opened. Thanks! targetting it!
[07:22] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, yeah, not too bad thanks. i'm relaxing ;)
[07:22] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: you shouldn't connect :)
[07:22] <RAOF> chrisccoulson: Slows it down, but hopefully not too much :/
[07:23] <chrisccoulson> heh, yeah, i should sign out at some point ;)
[07:23] <mvo> kamstrup: meh :/ anyway, its fixed now on my box and I got at least one positive report from the bug, so hopefully its gone. but I would feel better if I fully understand the issue
[07:23]  * RAOF heads off for a bit; back later.
[07:23] <chrisccoulson> RAOF, any idea how much? we got g-s-d startup down to < 1s last week ;)
[07:23] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: indeed! Take care of your family or I'll harass you about a thunderbird crash I had yesterday! (and as well, the thunderbird-bin which almost never quits there and so have the session logout dialog to kill it)
[07:23] <RAOF> chrisccoulson: I'll measure it when I get back. :)
[07:24] <kamstrup> mvo: agreed
[07:31] <tkamppeter> agateau, hi
[07:32] <agateau> tkamppeter: hi, I read the backlog of yesterday, but was offline
[07:32] <agateau> tkamppeter: so you want to create an appindicator using python-qt, right?
[07:33] <tkamppeter> agateau, so you know that it is about bug 857929. It seems that I have fixed it by modifying hp-systray with a one-line patch (see the comments about my work in the bug) for the user who reported this bug.
[07:33] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 857929 in hplip "hp-systray icon does nothing" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/857929
[07:34] <pitti> didrocks: btw, I cleaned up the pad for some packages which were already uploaded; if you do one, can you please remove it or move to "unapproved"?
[07:34] <tkamppeter> agateau, this one-line patch does not make an app-indicator of hp-systray but it is a minimum-invasive solution to make it working with sni-qt, for Oneiric, as we are so close to release.
[07:35] <pitti> didrocks: oh, the libpeas update doesn't happen to fix bug 857348?
[07:35] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 857348 in pygobject "All python plugins are broken by a bad import" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/857348
[07:35] <agateau> tkamppeter: turns out I didn't read enough backlog :) going through the report comments right now
[07:36] <didrocks> pitti: ok, I didn't see that category, I was waiting it for being approved to remove it to avoid someone else starting it
[07:36] <didrocks> pitti: oh right, I tried to import a python plugin and it worked, didn't notice the bug report though, do you want me to reupload with the bug #?
[07:37] <pitti> didrocks: nah, that's fine; great to hear!
[07:37] <didrocks> pitti: thanks ;)
[07:37] <pitti> didrocks: I'll re-test it as well and close it
[07:37] <chrisccoulson> hah, jo is using oneiric atm, and she's just asked me "what is compiz? it's always closing unexpectedly"
[07:37] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, double checking is nice, I tried with gedit python plugins
[07:37] <pitti> yeah, they fail with a linker error right now
[07:38] <tkamppeter> agateau, now I have observed another bug related to hp-systray and sni-qt: In contrary to the problem of the reporter of the bug for me the icon does not show right after login. I only get it if I either start hp-toolbox or if I kill all processes of hp-systray and then start hp-systray again. In addition, when I click on the icon, it does not happen nothing, as the reporter of the bug describes, but a little gray rectangle apperas fo
[07:38] <tkamppeter> r me, looks like an empty menu.
[07:40] <seb128> hey didrocks pitti chrisccoulson
[07:40] <pitti> bonjour seb128
[07:40] <pitti> ca va?
[07:40] <seb128> pitti, how are you?
[07:40] <didrocks> seb128: good morning
[07:40] <chrisccoulson> hey seb128, how are you?
[07:40] <agateau> tkamppeter: I just installed hplip-guy. Is there a way to fake a printer so that I can test it?
[07:40] <seb128> lut agateau
[07:40] <agateau> 'lut seb128
[07:40] <seb128> pitti, yes, had a good night and it's a sunny day starting again
[07:41] <seb128> didrocks, pitti: seems like you guys have been busy already ;)
[07:41] <seb128> oh, new unity-greeter \o/
[07:41] <seb128> bah something "broke" my numpad
[07:42] <didrocks> seb128: indeed :)
[07:42] <seb128> I though it was temporary yesterday but it's broken again this morning after a fresh start
[07:47] <agateau> tkamppeter: regarding the activated() signal: you are correct when you say you won't receive it, at least not when running on Unity. On Unity, both left and right clicks show the menu. On KDE left click emits the activated() signal, right click shows the menu. This is not a bug it is part of the design of app indicators (no longer wonder which mouse button to use)
[07:54] <GunnarHj> pitti: Hi Martin, today's l-s MP from me available for your consideration. :)
[07:54] <GunnarHj> https://code.launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/language-selector/oneiric/+merge/77109
[07:54] <GunnarHj> It's a couple of follow-ups from your changes yesterday.
[07:56] <seb128> hey GunnarHj
[07:56] <seb128> pitti, do you know when the oneiric translations will be exported?
[07:56] <seb128> i.e until when translations fix will made it in Oneiric export?
[07:56] <agateau> tkamppeter: I plugged my printer directly to my laptop and can reproduce the bug, I am investigating
[07:58] <GunnarHj> seb128: Good morning!
[07:59] <tkamppeter> agateau, did you apply the one-line patch which I mentioned in comment #6 of the bug? Do you have no icon after login? And an empty menu when clicking on the icon?
[08:00] <pitti> seb128: I suppose around RC, as usual?
[08:00] <agateau> tkamppeter: I haven't applied the patch yet. I manually started the app so I can't comment on the "no icon after login". I do have an empty menu when clicking on the icon
[08:00] <pitti> seb128: we also have the cron jobs which auto-update the updates packages
[08:00] <seb128> pitti, well I'm just checking because the french guys didn't fix some of the bugs I reported yet and I'm pondering when to ping them again say "it's time guys" ;)
[08:00] <tkamppeter> agateau, this empty menu is the most important part to fix
[08:01] <agateau> tkamppeter: understood
[08:03] <seb128> desrt, \o/
[08:04] <seb128> thanks for fixing the disk calculation and the mimetype bugs in time for 2.30 ;-)
[08:12] <seb128> pitti, bug #805252, it's a bug because the desktop menu should be adapted like it was in natty
[08:12] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 805252 in unity-foundations "appmenu shows normal nautilus menu when desktop is displayed (not the tweaked desktop one)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/805252
[08:12] <seb128> pitti, i.e not list things like "open a new tab"
[08:12] <pitti> seb128: *nod*, already discussed with Didier
[08:12] <seb128> ok, I assumed it might be the case, I'm just catching up on emails and there is no comment after your question ;)
[08:13] <seb128> I'm commenting on the bug for the track
[08:16] <pitti> hey GunnarHj
[08:16] <pitti> GunnarHj: as for removing the languageSupport bits from langcache.py, I actually had that change, but reverted it
[08:16] <pitti> GunnarHj: as there is also language-selector-kde
[08:17] <pitti> GunnarHj: I tried to test it, but I was unable to; I didn't see it in the KDE control center, and l-s-kde is now just a control-center plugin
[08:17] <rodrigo_> morning
[08:17] <pitti> GunnarHj: so I rather did not want to break it at this time, and just changed the GTK one
[08:23] <jbicha> oh bother, I guess we get a useless System Settings icon in the default launcher after all
[08:24] <seb128> :-(
[08:24] <seb128> jbicha, hey
[08:24] <jbicha> seb128: hi
[08:24] <kenvandine> good morning everyone
[08:24] <seb128> jbicha, do you know if somebody is pushing for the gdm update?
[08:24] <seb128> we should probably try to get 3.2 and the shell greeter in oneiric
[08:24] <seb128> but that seems stalled
[08:24] <seb128> kenvandine, good night? ;-)
[08:25] <seb128> kenvandine, you decided to stop sleeping? :-)
[08:25] <kenvandine> hehe... no i am actually up early this time :)
[08:25] <rodrigo_> hey kenvandine
[08:25] <seb128> hum
[08:25] <seb128> kenvandine, it's it like 3am for you?
[08:25] <seb128> hey rodrigo_
[08:25] <kenvandine> 4:25
[08:25] <seb128> oh, I'm one hour off
[08:25] <rodrigo_> yeah, too early :)
[08:25] <kenvandine> meeting...
[08:25] <rodrigo_> hi seb128
[08:25] <seb128> still very early ;-)
[08:25]  * kenvandine blames jasoncwarner_ :-D
[08:26] <jbicha> seb128: GDM 3.0 works & is generally tested in Oneiric, do we want to risk trying GDM 3.2 at this point?
[08:26] <seb128> jbicha, well I would think the shell greeter is a good part of the GNOME 3.2 experience
[08:27] <seb128> pitti, ^ do you have any opinion on getting gdm 3.2 in?
[08:28] <didrocks> jbicha: indeed
[08:29] <pitti> seb128: hmm, seems fairly risky and involved at this time
[08:29] <jasoncwarner_> oh, sorry kenvandine it got cancelled
[08:29] <jasoncwarner_> kenvandine: :(
[08:29] <pitti> we fixed lightdm to make itself the default on upgrades, which mitigates the risk
[08:30] <jasoncwarner_> kenvandine: j/k
[08:30]  * rodrigo_ imagines kenvandine's face now :)
[08:30] <jasoncwarner_> kenvandine: that would be cruel!
[08:30] <kenvandine> hehe
[08:30] <kenvandine> :-D
[08:30] <pitti> seb128: but I wouldn't veto it, as none of our derivatives uses it any more
[08:30] <rodrigo_> jbicha, have you tried it?
[08:31] <pitti> jbicha: system settings icon in launcher> *sob*
[08:31] <jbicha> rodrigo_: only on Fedora 16
[08:31] <rodrigo_> jbicha, maybe we could have it in the desktop PPA?
[08:34] <jbicha> pitti: of course I'd rather have a Help button there :) but that proposal didn't get enough support
[08:35] <didrocks> jbicha: you can discuss about it with JohnLea on #ayatana
[08:36] <seb128> he will comment on the bug to give some extra details btw
[08:37] <seb128> jbicha, he said that the bug was approched the wrong way that's why he marked the design component as opinion
[08:37] <seb128> i.e the bug should have been "need to make easier to access the user documentation"
[08:37] <seb128> then the bug can discuss solutions
[08:37] <seb128> rather than coming with a solution
[08:43] <pitti> GunnarHj: replied to the MP
[08:44] <didrocks> pitti: team report reminder (I will probably be away during the meeting, doctor appointment, I'll make the wiki page clear enough on what's going on and will be back after)
[08:44] <jbicha> hmm, we thought the Launcher item was the simplest fix & I did try to draw attention to the issue
[08:44] <jbicha> https://lists.launchpad.net/ayatana/msg06306.html
[08:47] <seb128> jbicha, yeah, I don't say that design is right, I'm just trying to sort the "John marked the bug as Opinion without any comment"
[08:50] <jbicha> seb128: thanks, but OPINION is basically the same as WONTFIX, maybe Ayatana uses their bugs differently but still...
[08:51] <seb128> jbicha, that's why I asked John to comment
[08:52] <seb128> jbicha, he basically told me that giving a solution rather than expressing the problem was giving an opinion, and that he doesn't consider "Opinion" as "Wontfix" and he would have "Wontfixed" the bug if he though there was no issue
[08:53] <seb128> jbicha, he said that somebody should open a bug about "the user documentation should be easier to access" and dup that one from it
[08:53] <seb128> well, let's wait for him to comment on the bug
[08:59] <seb128> rodrigo_, hey
[08:59] <seb128> rodrigo_, what are you working on?
[08:59] <rodrigo_> hey seb128
[08:59] <rodrigo_> seb128, glib-networking and folks
[08:59] <seb128> ok, so still updates
[08:59] <rodrigo_> yes, anything else you want?
[08:59] <rodrigo_> oh, he was upset by what I was working on? :)
[08:59] <rodrigo_> seb128:
 yes, anything else you want?
[09:00] <rodrigo_> --> seb128 (~seb128@ANancy-258-1-2-194.w90-39.abo.wanadoo.fr) has joined #ubuntu-desktop
 oh, he was upset by what I was working on? :)
[09:00] <seb128> ups
[09:00] <seb128> sorry, unity focus issue I closed the wrong dialog
[09:00] <rodrigo_> :)
[09:00] <seb128> rodrigo_, not really, I was wondering about the bugs assigned to you since we are getting close from freeze
[09:00] <seb128> there is a g-s-d segfault which still collect quite some duplicates
[09:00] <rodrigo_> hmm, which bugs do I have assigned from the oneiric list?
[09:01]  * rodrigo_ looks
[09:01] <seb128> rodrigo_, do you think it would be easy to add back a "never" option to the "turn screen off" option?
[09:01] <rodrigo_> seb128, hmm, not sure, I'll check
[09:01] <rodrigo_> seb128, ah, you mean http://launchpad.net/bugs/832603 ?
[09:01] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 832603 in gnome-settings-daemon "gnome-settings-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV in g_simple_async_result_complete()" [Critical,Triaged]
[09:01] <seb128> yes
[09:02] <rodrigo_> ok, I've been looking at it, but not sure at all what's causing it
[09:02] <rodrigo_> looking again
[09:02] <rodrigo_> seb128, that's the only one I have in the oneiric list, do you have any other?
[09:03] <seb128> rodrigo_, is bug #840535 fixed?
[09:03] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 840535 in gnome-control-center "High contrast inverse large theme does not use large font" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/840535
[09:03] <rodrigo_> hmm
[09:03] <rodrigo_> yes, it is indeed
[09:03] <seb128> rodrigo_, how did you fall so low on assigned bugs? ;)
[09:03] <seb128> what is pedro doing? :p
[09:03] <rodrigo_> the a11y theme should include a suggested font
[09:03] <rodrigo_> seb128, I paid him :)
[09:04] <pitti> seb128: he just rocks?
[09:04] <rodrigo_> also, having him on vacation helped :)
[09:04] <seb128> rodrigo_, well, finish with updates, then it would be nice to check how easy it would be to add the "never" option
[09:04] <rodrigo_> and yes, I also rock :)
[09:04] <rodrigo_> seb128, ok
[09:04] <seb128> I think quite some users will want it
[09:04] <seb128> we got several people who came with usecases
[09:04] <seb128> like using screen for monitoring and they don't want it to turn off
[09:05] <seb128> rodrigo_, you do rock indeed ;)
[09:05] <rodrigo_> :)
[09:05] <seb128> rodrigo_, I might triage and assign you a few gcc and gsd issues later
[09:05] <rodrigo_> ok
[09:09] <seb128> is http://status.qa.ubuntu.com down?
[09:11] <pitti> for me, too
[09:14] <tkamppeter> I have a suggestion to make the printing-related part of the development of Ubuntu even better. I can buy HP printer worth 10000 USD every year on HP's cost, from this year's budget I could also buy some printers for UDSes and Sprints (which will travel around from event to event) and so we can do better testing on the events (and also print boarding passes), for example for things like bug 802304 and bug 857929. WDYT? Or should we ta
[09:14] <tkamppeter> ke this to today's meeting?
[09:14] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 802304 in xubuntu-meta "FFe: Take hplip-gui into the standard installation/live session of Ubuntu/Edubuntu" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/802304
[09:14] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 857929 in hplip "hp-systray icon does nothing" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/857929
[09:15] <tkamppeter> I could also equip certain desktop developers with an HP printer.
[09:22] <GunnarHj> pitti: Thanks for your comments. I really think we should handle that issue in LangCache.py, or else it would get messy on upgraded systems.
[09:22] <GunnarHj> Instead of removing the lines, how about
[09:22] <GunnarHj>   if 'kde-' in sys.argv[0]:
[09:22] <GunnarHj>       ...
[09:22] <pitti> GunnarHj: how would that not break ugrades?
[09:22] <pitti> GunnarHj: how does it break upgrades in the first place?
[09:22] <pitti> the languageSupport* lists should be empty, and as the GUI does not use them, they should be harmless
[09:23] <pitti> I still need to take a look at that bug
[09:23]  * pitti desperately tries to catch up a little on his email
[09:23] <didrocks> nice https://plus.google.com/u/0/108611501090787019364/posts/fNecdU95gJj
[09:23] <pitti> mvo: I followed up to bug 854622 with more question -- this is a mystery to me
[09:23] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 854622 in update-manager "Could not install libglib2.0" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/854622
[09:24] <pitti> mvo: it very much looks like a side effect of pkgbinarymangler, I just don't see yet how
[09:24] <pitti> didrocks: oneconf FTW!
[09:24] <didrocks> :-)
[09:24]  * didrocks should starts drafting the (crazy) ideas he had for OneConf for P
[09:25] <pitti> seb128: conffiles> I reinstalled around beta-1
[09:25] <GunnarHj> pitti: It doesn't exactly break upgrades, but the UI on upgraded (as opposed to freshly installed) systems gets messy.
[09:25] <mvo> pitti: noodles from #software-center can reproduce this, he has a machine in the broken state
[09:26] <mvo> pitti: the binary mangler runs only on the buildd, right? so its a real mystery to me how the package is broken on the local machine given that AFAICT all debs are correct
[09:26] <pitti> mvo: well, you can install it locally for local builds as well
[09:27] <pitti> but if you don't have it installed, then you shouldn't get a wrong changelog.Debian.gz (and certainly not a truncated one)
[09:27] <pitti> mvo: I don't see how pkgbinarymangler can make changelog.Debian.gz not a symlink, and still mention a wrong package
[09:27] <GunnarHj> pitti: So the idea is to execute those three lines if KDE, but not otherwise. Which for us would in effect be as I suggested originally.
[09:28] <pitti> GunnarHj: so what breaks if these three members get initialized? nothing in the UI uses them
[09:28] <pitti> in the GTK UI, I mean
[09:30] <pitti> seb128: I have /etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu, but that seems current
[09:31] <pitti> seb128: but as I reinstalled, I guess I lost the files, as expected; my question was mainly which particular files need removing, and in which packages (as I don't see them any more)
[09:31] <mvo> pitti: thanks for the followup, its a mystery to me as well - is (cd / ; md5sum -c /var/lib/dpkg/info/libglib2.0-data.md5sums ) giving you the expected result on your oneiric amd64 machine?
[09:31] <GunnarHj> pitti: Correct, but as an example for me (who have had quite some languages installed for test purposes) is that if I install Chinese (Simplified), the checkbox next to the language is not ticked, since l-s think that input methods are missing...
[09:31] <pitti> mvo: I tried this, and changelogs are correct, yes
[09:32] <tkamppeter> agateau, I have reported my problem which I talked about with you here today as bug 860395.
[09:32] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 860395 in sni-qt "sni-qt and hp-systray interact badly" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/860395
[09:32] <mvo> pitti: really odd, on my two amd64 I get:
[09:32] <mvo> zcat /usr/share/doc/libglib2
[09:32] <mvo> .0-data/changelog.Debian.gz|tail -1
[09:32] <mvo> # For older changelog entries, run 'apt-get changelog libglib2.0-0'
[09:32] <pitti> mvo: ah, I have a local build righ tnow
[09:32] <tkamppeter> agateau, any news on that?
[09:32] <pitti> mvo: oh, so you can reproduce this as well then?
[09:33]  * pitti tries downgrading
[09:33] <mvo> pitti: not in a chroot, not in a apt-clone based upgrade, but a incorrect changelog on my box
[09:33] <agateau> tkamppeter: I am still investigating, it seems the appindicator display does not notice menu updates
[09:33] <mvo> pitti: its odd as I downloaded the archive debs and they look fine
[09:34] <agateau> tkamppeter: if you run killall indicator-application-service, the service gets restarted and the menu appears
[09:34] <pitti> mvo: yes, same here; I just dpkg-deb -x'ed them
[09:34] <pitti> hm, seems I can't easily downgrade
[09:34] <pitti> sudo apt-get install libglib2.0-{0,data,dev,0-dbg,bin}/oneiric
[09:34] <pitti> wants to remove half of my desktop, too
[09:35] <mvo> pitti: weeeh. there is also no replaces line nor anything in the mainainter scripts that indicate anything how this could happen
[09:35] <mvo> pitti: I start to wonder if its actually some sort of dpkg bug, but there is no good evidence for this either
[09:36] <pitti> ok, downgraded now
[09:36] <pitti> $ md5sum -c /var/lib/dpkg/info/libglib2.0-data.md5sums
[09:36] <pitti> usr/share/doc/libglib2.0-data/changelog.Debian.gz: OK
[09:36] <pitti> ce002095400b45d6a0a93bb03f065edf  usr/share/doc/libglib2.0-data/changelog.Debian.gz
[09:36] <pitti> mvo: ^ what is it for you?
[09:37] <pitti> mvo: it correctly says run 'apt-get changelog libglib2.0-data'
[09:37] <mvo> md5sum /usr/share/doc/libglib2.0-data/changelog.Debian.gz
[09:37] <mvo> 680a0ae504d012f2e27adbc2def2c707  /usr/share/doc/libglib2.0-data/changelog.Debian.gz
[09:37] <mvo> same as the libglib2.0-0 changelog
[09:37] <pitti> md5sum -c /var/lib/dpkg/info/libglib2.0-0:amd64.md5sums is fine as well
[09:37] <pitti> mvo: WTH
[09:38] <tkamppeter> agateau, yes, that's it. the problem of HP's menu is that it is dynamic. It adds and removes entries as one adds and removes printers. I have very many HP printers (around 15 entries) and probably this makes the menu generation slow for me and so when sni-qt picks up the menu on hp-systray startup it is still empty.
[09:38] <pitti> mvo: so something is changing the changelog during install?
[09:38] <pitti> mvo: what's the expected md5sum in /var/lib/dpkg/info/libglib2.0-data.md5sums, same as mine?
[09:38] <mvo> pitti: yeah, it looks like it. and I bet its something during a complex run because I did try to reproduce this in chroot with just the glib packages and had no luck there
[09:39] <agateau> tkamppeter: dynamic menus are correctly handled, I believe it is an initialization issue in sni-qt: once your menu is visible, it should correctly updates itself when you add/remove printers
[09:39] <mvo> pitti: ce002095400b45d6a0a93bb03f065edf  usr/share/doc/libglib2.0-data/changelog.Debian.gz
[09:39] <pitti> mvo: ok, that's the one it should have, with "-data"
[09:39] <mvo> yes
[09:39] <pitti> /var/lib/dpkg/info/libglib2.0-0:i386.md5sums also ok, FWIW
[09:40] <pitti> mvo: did this always happen on upgrades from natty?
[09:40] <pitti> mvo: perhaps natty's glib packages had symlinks, and dpkg fails to replace them with files properly?
[09:40] <mvo> pitti: I don't think so, but let me try to run a fresh upgrade test
[09:40]  * pitti downloads natty debs
[09:41] <pitti> mvo: I mean, do you know if that was ever observed on an install of oneiric b1 or b2?
[09:41] <mvo> pitti: I don't think so, I'm pretty certain this is a upgrade issue
[09:41] <pitti> ok
[09:42]  * mvo runs a full automatic upgrade test now
[09:42] <pitti> mvo: with multiarch glib packages already installed during natty, or has this been shown to affect a "pure" amd64 install?
[09:43]  * pitti wonders how to prepare natty  to enable multiarch support, we didn't even support that in natty yet?
[09:44] <mvo> pitti: this was a pure natty
[09:44] <mvo> pitti: in my case, in noodles case probably too
[09:44] <pitti> and natty final had no changelog.Debian.gz symlinks
[09:45] <RAOF> chrisccoulson: What's the way to get gnome-settings-daemon to print out that fancy timestamped stuff?
[09:46] <pitti> mvo: do you know how /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/multiarch gets created during upgrade?
[09:46] <mvo> pitti: I just checked /var/log/apt/history.log - my most recent -data upgrade was from 2.29.16-0ubuntu2 to 2.29.90-0ubuntu1
[09:46] <mvo> pitti: yes, its created
[09:47] <pitti> mvo: I suppose some postinst script? or does updtae-manager do that?
[09:47] <mvo> update-manager is doing it as a quirk handler
[09:47] <pitti> ah, so a simple apt-get dist-upgrade wouldn't
[09:47] <mvo> indeed
[09:47] <pitti> I suppose I could manually create it, and then use apt-get
[09:48] <mvo> only do-release-upgrade
[09:48] <mvo> yeah, or just do-release-upgrade from update-manager-core, that will take care of it too
[09:54] <mvo> pitti: upgrade is now running, we should have some more data after lunchtime
[09:56] <pitti> mvo: hm, I tried to upgrade natty to oneiric glibc/glib2.0  and then install libglib2.0-0:i386, all worked
[09:56] <pitti> if it was a problem with the .debs and pkgbinarymangler, that ought to have exposed the problem by now?
[09:58] <mvo> pitti: right, maybe its a problem with dpkg during the upgrade? I'm currently trying to find some way to reproduce this
[09:59] <pitti> but why the heck would it install libglib2.0-data's changelog.Debian.gz into doc/libglib2.0-0 ?
[10:01] <pitti> didrocks: btw, is http://start.ubuntu-fr.org/10.04/ still relevant/ http://start.ubuntu.com/ is translated these days
[10:01] <pitti> didrocks: i. e. is there anything extra but translations for which the French loco would want their own start page?
[10:03] <didrocks> pitti: there is the "enventelibre" shop link (shop that I launched a few years ago to sell ubuntu-fr's goodies and now that tries to gather all "free software goodies" for non governemental organization around free software) in addition to the canonical shop
[10:03] <pitti> didrocks: ah, thanks
[10:03] <didrocks> it's where we sell our mugs, TS, stickers, french CD respin
[10:04] <didrocks> (I need to ask Julie to redo the design btw, thanks for reminding me that ;))
[10:04] <pitti> didrocks: oh, seems it actually drops the link to the canonical shop then?
[10:05] <didrocks> argh, I asked to fix that twice already
[10:05] <didrocks> there was at natty launch the two links
[10:05]  * didrocks finds the ubuntu-fr webteam
[10:07] <mvo> pitti: it all does not make much sense, I do agree :/
[10:07] <didrocks> pitti: http://start.ubuntu-fr.org/11.04/ is the natty one
[10:07] <didrocks> but there is only the canonical shop, which wasn't what was planned
[10:07] <pitti> mvo: I hope it's not one of these "doesn't print on Tuesdays" bugs again :)
[10:07] <jasoncwarner_> hey rodrigo_, I just got https://bugs.launchpad.net/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/832603 again. Any hope of getting that fixed? seems to effect quite a few people.
[10:07] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 832603 in gnome-settings-daemon "gnome-settings-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV in g_simple_async_result_complete()" [Critical,Triaged]
[10:07] <pitti> (still my all-times favourite bug)
[10:08] <didrocks> pitti: as well, the documentation link point to the french one, not the english one, same for the forum
[10:08] <jasoncwarner_> pitti: doesn't print on tuesdays ? sounds like a good bug ;)
[10:09] <pitti> jasoncwarner_: bug 248619, if you are into funny history reading
[10:09] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 248619 in file "file incorrectly labeled as Erlang JAM file" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/248619
[10:09] <pitti> jasoncwarner_: of course the bug title was eventually updated to describe the underlying reason
[10:10] <jasoncwarner_> pitti: a pity, really ;) it should have stayed that way like bug #1 ;)
[10:10] <ubot2> jasoncwarner_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1 (Not reporting large bug)
[10:10] <rodrigo_> jasoncwarner_, looking at it, hard to know what's causing it, but yes, looking
[10:10] <pitti> it was a lot more fun back then when people said "OO.o doesn't print!" -- next day, bug response: "can you try foo" -- "ah, that worked" -- next week: "argh, now broken again", etc.
[10:10] <jasoncwarner_> rodrigo_: thanks..
[10:10]  * jasoncwarner_ reading doesn't print on tuesdays bug
[10:11] <pitti> jasoncwarner_: (the actual fun is in the duplicates)
[10:12] <jasoncwarner_> pitti: this bug title is awsome: "I am unable to print from open office, I tried reinstalling open office but it did not work. I use a brother mfc240c printer and I am running Hardy. Printing from other apps has not been an issue. "
[10:13] <pitti> jasoncwarner_: of course you got into all kinds of red herrings there, like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cupsys/+bug/255161/comments/26
[10:13] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 255161 in cupsys "I am unable to print from open office, I tried reinstalling open office but it did not work. I use a brother mfc240c printer and I am running Hardy. Printing from other apps has not been an issue. (dup-of: 248619)" [Undecided,Invalid]
[10:13] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 248619 in file "file incorrectly labeled as Erlang JAM file" [High,Fix released]
[10:13] <jasoncwarner_> hmm..I wonder if the description is going to be longer or shorter ;) can he have more to say?
[10:13] <pitti> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cupsys/+bug/255161/comments/28 was the one that finally lighted it up
[10:15] <jasoncwarner_> pitti: dude...I would have pulled my hair out searching for that...tlak about ...weird
[10:15] <pitti> jasoncwarner_: everyone was :)
[10:22] <seb128> pitti, re, sorry I was out to buy food and some stuff
[10:23] <didrocks> seb128: food? Some people… eat? :)
[10:23] <seb128> pitti, the 2 I know about are gnome-menus which shipped a /etc/xdg/menus/gnome-applications.menu by error during the cycle (debian rename those to append gnome-) so it's an oneiric to oneiric issue
[10:23] <seb128> pitti, and gnome-screensaver /etc/xdg/menus/screensaver.menu being deprecated since it stopped support "hacks"
[10:23] <seb128> didrocks, it seems so ;)
[10:24] <didrocks> seb128: waow! ;-)
[10:25] <seb128> sorry
[10:25] <seb128> it's /etc/xdg/menus/gnome-screensaver.menu
[10:27] <seb128> pitti, I've updated the etherpad with the details
[10:27] <pitti> seb128: cheers
[10:30] <rodrigo_> hmm, seems some packages are broken on powerpc, and g-s-d and g-c-c failing to build there
[10:31] <pitti> rodrigo_: no, ppc is just waaaay behind
[10:32] <rodrigo_> ok
[10:32] <pitti> rodrigo_: we can retry the builds in a bit once it caught up
[10:32] <Laney> rodrigo_: hrm, we should have removed the syncdaemon build-dep, eh?
[10:32] <Laney> I think ppc is a chain of skew starting at atk1.0
[10:33] <Laney> from what I can see (and it's just been built, so should catch up)
[10:33] <rodrigo_> ok
[10:33] <bigon> I guess it's a bit too late, but in debian pkg-gnome was planning to use xz tarballs for 3.2 release
[10:34] <bigon> so if you wanted to be able to sync at some point
[10:34] <pitti> bigon: we already have orig.tar.xz in both distributions, that works fine
[10:35] <pitti> e. g. upower
[10:35] <bigon> ok
[10:35] <pitti> colord, too
[10:35] <bigon> (well empathy is not, but I guess we'll never sync or merge)
[10:37] <pitti> bigon: at some point again maybe, once Debian updates to GNOME 3.2? the indicator patches are gone, not sure if there's anything else which is a permanent diversion; launchpad-integration maybe
[10:38] <seb128> yes, lpi
[10:38] <tkamppeter> pitti, jasoncwarner_, updated the title of bug 248619, for otther to have it easier to find this nice story ...
[10:38] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 248619 in file "file incorrectly labeled as Erlang JAM file" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/248619
[10:38] <pitti> tkamppeter: heh, indeed; this bug deserves it :)
[10:38] <tkamppeter> bug 248619
[10:39] <Laney> as in, you guys should consider using .orig.tar.xz from now on too
[10:39] <jasoncwarner_> ok everyone...off to bed. see you in the morning.
[10:40] <seb128> Laney, I think that's oneiric+1 for now
[10:40] <seb128> jasoncwarner_, 'night
[10:40] <Laney> yes
[10:40] <seb128> Laney, we got GNOME 3.2 uploaded
[10:40] <seb128> well we will not have a choice in Oneiric+1
[10:40] <pitti> whoops, meeting reminder; sent now
[10:40] <seb128> since GNOME will stop .bz2
[10:40] <Laney> oh, well that's alright then ;-)
[10:41] <pitti> Laney: yes, I agree
[10:41] <Laney> I guess syncing won't be an issue at this point anyway
[10:41] <pitti> so far we used .bz2 to not immediately break backporting
[11:00] <chrisccoulson> RAOF, http://paste.ubuntu.com/697805/
[11:00] <chrisccoulson> you also need to build with --enable-profiling
[11:07] <RAOF> chrisccoulson: Ta.
[11:21] <jibel> after today's update, the power preferences of my systems changed to suspend after 30mn of inactivity when plugged in. Is that on purpose or a bug ?
[11:23] <seb128> jibel, did the preference change or did the behaviour change?
[11:23] <jibel> seb128, the preference changed
[11:23] <seb128> jibel, they fixed a bug which was making that action not work
[11:23] <seb128> ok, dunno then that's not supposed to
[11:23] <seb128> check with rodrigo_
[11:23] <seb128> the behaviour might be normal, it was just buggy and didn't work before for some users
[11:23] <jibel> oh, so maybe it didn't work before but didn't noticed it because that was the behavior I expected
[11:23] <mvo> with the app-indicators, is there a way to know if the current system actually supports them? something like gtk_status_icon_is_embedded() just for app_indicators
[11:24] <seb128> jibel, that would rather make sense
[11:24] <pitti> it's still a rather bad default at least in AC mode IMHO
[11:24] <seb128> mvo, not sure, it auto fallback to gtkstatusicon but I guess you want to handle cases without systray as well?
[11:25] <seb128> pitti, yeah, I agree it's a bug, I would just be surprised that the preference value changed
[11:25] <mvo> seb128: hm, actually that automatic fallback may be good enough
[11:25] <jibel> seb128, thanks, I'll verify that the preference doesn't change on upgrade just to make sure.
[11:26] <seb128> jibel, can you open a bug about the default not being correct?
[11:26] <seb128> we probably want to distro patch it out
[11:26] <pitti> gnome-settings-daemon, righT?
[11:26] <seb128> yes
[11:27] <seb128> pitti, http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-settings-daemon/commit/?h=gnome-3-2&id=fd39994207a4e0cf3e9d47c1c810d988cb4b6dde
[11:27] <seb128> it's the "fix"
[11:29] <seb128> didrocks, pitti: btw I just dumped a bunch of new updates on the etherpad
[11:29] <seb128> just for info
[11:29] <seb128> I will start on some of those soon
[11:30] <didrocks> already started glibmm, but waiting for the new glib to be published for it
[11:30] <seb128> great
[11:39] <jibel> seb128, bug 860485
[11:39] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 860485 in gnome-settings-daemon "bad default setting: suspend after 30min when plugged in" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/860485
[11:40] <rodrigo_> jibel, looking
[11:41] <seb128> jibel, rodrigo_: thanks
[11:43] <mdeslaur> pitti: I can still wait for cups, if you plan on syncing it before we release
[11:51] <GunnarHj> pitti: Updated the l-s MP.
[11:53] <tkamppeter> agateau, thanks for the quick fix on the empty menu problem. Now only the problem of the missing icon on login is remaining.
[11:55] <tkamppeter> agateau, I tested with the unpatched HPLIP and it worked, so it seems that for a standard Unity desktop the patch on HPLIP is not needed. Can you tell me whether it is perhaps needed for other desktops? Especially as the reporter of bug 857929 told that my patch fixed it for him.
[11:55] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 857929 in hplip "hp-systray icon does nothing" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/857929
[11:56] <xclaesse> what's the package installing a gtk module that modify scrollbars?
[12:05] <ricotz> xclaesse, overlay-scrollbar
[12:09] <mdeslaur> pitti: fyi, cups patch is here: http://cups.org/str.php?L3914 (commited as r9865)
[12:16]  * rodrigo_ lunch
[12:21] <pitti> eek, just hit the "suspend after 30 mins" bug
[12:21] <pitti> that broke my running rsync and dchroot upgrade
[12:21] <pitti> mdeslaur: is there a bug for it, or a pointer to the patch?
 pitti: fyi, cups patch is here: http://cups.org/str.php?L3914 (commited as r9865)
[12:21] <chrisccoulson> yeah, the suspend after 30 minutes thing is stupid
[12:22] <pitti> mdeslaur: sorry; IRC also got interrupted due to the suspend, I probably lost some messages
[12:22] <chrisccoulson> i changed that after my laptop suspended partway through a firefox build
[12:22] <mdeslaur> pitti: oh, did you mean a ubuntu bug?
[12:22] <pitti> mdeslaur: cups STR is fine, thanks
[12:22] <mdeslaur> pitti: thanks!
[12:24] <agateau> tkamppeter: The patch can be useful on KDE, because on KDE left-click emits the activated() signal, which is usually bound to showing a window. In the case of hp-systray, showing the menu on left click makes more sense.
[12:24] <seb128> pitti, jibel opened a bug and rodrigo_ is on it
[12:25] <pitti> seb128: ah, I'm assigning it to rodrigo_ then, thanks!
[12:25] <seb128> yw
[12:28] <tkamppeter> agateau, so I will upload the patched HPLIP.
[12:28] <agateau> tkamppeter: don't you have an issue with an empty first item as well?
[12:28] <agateau> tkamppeter: I have a patch for this
[12:29] <tkamppeter> agateau, I have this issue, so make the patch available for me to test.
[12:30] <agateau> tkamppeter: here you are: http://pastebin.com/2h9Lc0Jg
[12:30] <tkamppeter> OK, it is in HPLIP, so I will try it and add it to my HPLIP upload.
[12:31] <jml> hello
[12:31] <jml> I'm following some instructions trying to debug a screen jitter
[12:31] <jml> the instructions say to run xdiagnose, but when I do, I get this traceback: http://paste.ubuntu.com/697840/
[12:31] <seb128> hey jml
[12:31] <agateau> tkamppeter: good. I am looking into the starup issue now
[12:31] <agateau> *startup
[12:32] <seb128> jml, you don't use grub? do you have this file?
[12:32] <jml> seb128: I don't know if I use grub. The file does not exist.
[12:32] <jml> seb128: I'm guessing I use grub, that seems pretty normal.
[12:32] <seb128> jml, I would suggest opening the bug if there is not one already and create a dummy file to workaround the issue
[12:32] <jml> seb128: ok. thanks.
[12:33] <seb128> jml, well it's not normal to not have this file afaik
[12:33] <seb128> jml, but people like cjwatson would probably have a better clue about if the missing default grub config is a bug
[12:34] <tkamppeter> agateau, works, thank you. So all the nice text formatting and adding icon breaks the overtaking by sni-qt?
[12:36] <jml> seb128: ok, thanks.
[12:37] <tkamppeter> pitti, CUPS is correctly stack-tracing now! See bug 860498 (seems to be something broken in Tim Waugh's Avahi patch).
[12:37] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 860498 in cups "cupsd crashed with SIGSEGV in main() : cannot access memory at address 0x7ffffff7" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/860498
[12:37]  * pitti does the "give back glib2.0 for test suite timeout" game again
[12:37] <seb128> pitti, :-(
[12:37] <pitti> tkamppeter: oh, good!
[12:39] <mvo> seb128: can i haz unknown mimetype search back in nautilus? context is http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/28148/
[12:39] <seb128> mvo, change the --disable-pk to --enable in the rules
[12:39] <mvo> seb128: it seems like there is something now based on PK and some online service but I would rather see us using s-c
[12:39] <seb128> mvo, it should "just work" with aptdaemon?
[12:39] <seb128> mvo, I noticed that but it was after ff and I didn't have time to play with it
[12:40] <seb128> mvo, it was somewhat on my "check next cycle" list
[12:40] <mvo> seb128: well, if its using the session installer, yes. but it will sitll lack all the review data that we can provide when launching s-c instead
[12:40] <mvo> seb128: sure, next cycle is fine
[12:40] <seb128> mvo, shouldn't an "install this package" in aptdaemon open s-c?
[12:41] <seb128> mvo, I'm not sure how different that is from i.e file-roller installing "unzip" when you click on a zip file
[12:41] <seb128> or unrar
[12:41] <seb128> mvo, can we do the dbus calls just do the right thing?
[12:42] <seb128> mvo, but otherwise I'm fine patching nautilus to use s-c if you think it's better, you have probably a better understanding of the technical difference with aptdaemon etc ;-)
[12:42] <pitti> mdeslaur: does this have a CVE?
[12:42] <mdeslaur> pitti: CVE-2011-3170
[12:42] <ubot2> mdeslaur: The gif_read_lzw function in filter/image-gif.c in CUPS 1.4.8 and earlier does not properly handle the first code word in an LZW stream, which allows remote attackers to trigger a heap-based buffer overflow, and possibly execute arbitrary code, via a crafted stream, a different vulnerability than CVE-2011-2896. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2011-3170)
[12:42] <pitti> mdeslaur: cheers
[12:43] <mvo> seb128: for a lot of cases like "unrar" its pretty simple and we don't need s-c, just the dbus call
[12:43] <seb128> mvo, ok, well easy solution is to turn that configure flag on I guess, you might still want to try to get that for Oneiric maybe, and patches welcome for s-c :-)
[12:43] <mvo> seb128: *but* (there is always a but, isn't there ? ;) - for mime:text/html or anything like this the user may want to see more choices
[12:44] <mvo> seb128: I think that actually works already, I clicked on other-application, find-online and got a sesison-installer prompt and a list of apps
[12:44] <mvo> seb128: but no screenshots, no ratings etc, we can do better than that ;)
[12:44] <seb128> mvo, oh ok
[12:44] <seb128> great, let's improve next cycle then ;-)
[12:44] <seb128> mvo, can you open a bug about it?
[12:45] <seb128> mvo, I want to start building a list of those sort of polish and push for working on those for the lts
[12:45] <seb128> i.e no new features, bug fixing and polish instead ;-)
[12:46] <kamstrup> is dpm not around today?
[12:48] <seb128> kamstrup, the holiday calendar doesn't mark him as being on holidays, maybe check with somebody from his team, i.e dholbach or jcastro
[12:50] <dobey> kamstrup: he seems to be on the other server? :)
[12:50] <dobey> err, no
[12:50] <dobey> my bad
[12:50] <mvo> seb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/860536
[12:50] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 860536 in nautilus "Please integrate with software-center to search for new apps" [Undecided,New]
[12:50] <seb128> mvo, danke
[12:51] <mvo> yw
[12:52] <mvo> mpt: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/860536 <- you are probably interessted in this one as well
[12:52] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 860536 in nautilus "Please integrate with software-center to search for new apps" [Undecided,New]
[12:54] <kamstrup> dobey: where in the world is dpm ;-)
[12:56] <dobey> kamstrup: no idea. e-mail him :)
[12:56] <dobey> or call his mobile
[12:56] <kamstrup> dobey: that would spoil the hunt!
[12:56] <mpt> mvo, do you know of reliable instructions to produce the "I don't know what to open this with" dialog? I tried downloading a .dwg file but Nautilus tried to open it in Geany...
[12:56] <dobey> track him with GPS? :)
[12:57] <kamstrup> mpt: cat /dev/urandom > ~/document.wtf ? ;-)
[12:57] <seb128> mpt, uninstall evince and try to open a pdf I guess
[12:57] <kamstrup> mpt: and then ctrl-c that before you fill you hd with random stuff ;-)
[12:57] <seb128> kamstrup, it will only work on known mimetype which have an handle I think
[12:57] <seb128> kamstrup, so you need to try to open a valid file which doesn't have an handle installed
[12:58] <seb128> handler
[12:59] <mpt> kamstrup, that opens in gedit :-/
[12:59] <kamstrup> mpt: lol!
[12:59] <kamstrup> mpt: sorry :-)
[12:59] <pedro_> dobey, hi, are you working on the u1 plugin for banshee? ;-)
[12:59] <mpt> "The file you opened has some invalid characters. If you continue editing this file you could corrupt this document." "You don't say."
[13:00] <pitti> mdeslaur: uploaded to sid and oneiric
[13:00] <mdeslaur> pitti: cool, thanks!
[13:02] <dobey> pedro_: hi. in what sense? :)
[13:02] <pedro_> dobey, bug 851044 ; banshee is crashing while scrolling in the u1 plugin
[13:02] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 851044 in overlay-scrollbar "Banshee.exe crashed with SIGABRT in g_cclosure_marshal_VOID__VOID() / while using Ubuntu 1 Store." [High,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/851044
[13:02] <dobey> that sounds like a webkit issue?
[13:02] <pedro_> dobey, seems to be reproducible only in that plugin, the amazon one which seems to use webkit as well is not crashing if you try the same there
[13:03] <pedro_> any webkit expert in the room ? ;-)
[13:10] <seif> where is daniel holbach
[13:11] <pitti> seif: dholback in #ubuntu-devel
[13:11] <pitti> seif: ergh, "dholbach"
[13:14] <pitti> seb128: FTR, I didn't see zenity or evince in unapproved
[13:19] <seb128> pitti, ups
[13:19] <seb128> pitti, I copied them in the wrong etherpad section, but just uploaded since I just had them done, so they should show up in 1 minute
[13:19] <pitti> seb128: thanks
[13:19] <seb128> thank you for checking and reviewing our uploads :-)
[13:21] <pitti> hmm - upower claims that I have a battery of 0 Wh
[13:22] <pitti> (linux does)
[13:22] <seb128> pitti, that's not very powerful ;-)
[13:28] <desrt> seb128: no worries :)
[13:28] <seb128> desrt, now if only it was building :p
[13:29] <desrt> seb128: uh?
[13:30] <desrt> seb128: as in the builders are busy or as in i released a tarball that doesn't build? :p
[13:30] <seb128> desrt, testsuit timeouted the builds, pitti has to retry !amd64 which got licky
[13:30] <seb128> lucky
[13:30] <desrt> seb128: >:|
[13:30] <desrt> seb128: did doko fix that bug yet?
[13:30] <seb128> is that a libc bug?
[13:30] <desrt> ya
[13:31] <desrt> i reported it in launchpad a while ago, got sick of waiting for a response (of _any_ kind), reported it against fedora and it was fixed 2 days later
[13:31] <desrt> so i linked him to the fedora fix, and i think nothing happened after that, too
[13:32] <pitti> rodrigo_: I just fixed bug 854525; can I upload, or are you still working on c-c?
[13:32] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 854525 in gnome-control-center ""When lid is close" appears on system with no lid" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/854525
[13:32] <desrt> seb128: fix was uploaded 23 hours ago
[13:32] <seb128> desrt, do you have the bug number?
[13:33] <desrt> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eglibc/+bug/838975
[13:33] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 838975 in eglibc "weird pthread/fork race/deadlock" [High,Fix released]
[13:33] <desrt> seb128: hopefully that's the problem you're hitting. maybe there's another problem on top of it. :)
[13:33] <seb128> desrt, what needs that fix? the chroot or the builder install?
[13:34] <seb128> desrt, because glib build was today so the builder environment got that fixed libc
[13:34] <desrt> seb128: the only other issue i know is that some of our testcases (gapplication and a couple gdbus ones) fork() while holding a GMainContext
[13:34] <desrt> which isn't valid
[13:34] <desrt> it's one of those things that you get away with 99%+ of the time, but sometimes get hit
[13:35] <desrt> which test locked?
[13:35] <desrt> (we fixed that issue on master after the gmain rewriting, but didn't backport the disruption to stable)
[13:35] <seb128> pitti, ^ did you keep a log of failed builds?
[13:36] <pitti> sorry, no
[13:36] <seb128> desrt, ok, the retried just worked on i386 so let's see next time
[13:36] <dobey> pedro_: hrmm, actually, it looks like that might just be in mono itself. weird
[13:38] <desrt> seb128: sigh
[13:38] <desrt> seb128: something about your builders really like to mess up our tests :)
[13:38] <desrt> seb128: i actually hit a really cool testcase failure the other day....
[13:38] <seb128> desrt, it seems so ;-)
[13:38] <desrt> in our GDateTime tests we had code like this:
[13:38] <desrt> x = get_time_from_libc()
[13:38] <desrt> y = g_date_time_now()
[13:39] <desrt> ... compare x to y ...
[13:39] <desrt> of course, when it compared the seconds it was 22 vs 23 :)
[13:40] <mvo> no authenticated proxy settings in gnome-control-center anymore? or am I just not finding the right knob?
[13:40] <seb128> desrt, you need a slower laptop to catch those things :p
[13:40] <desrt> seb128: or higher resolution time :)
[13:40] <seb128> mvo, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=646354
[13:40] <ubot2> Gnome bug 646354 in Network "Network proxy has no proxy authorization" [Normal,New]
[13:41] <rodrigo_> pitti, yes, preparing a couple of fixes, so don't upload please
[13:41] <mvo> seb128: ta!
[13:41] <seb128> mvo, yw ;-)
[13:41] <pitti> rodrigo_: ok; pushed my fix, so please pull
[13:41] <pitti> rodrigo_: it's test-built and tested
[13:41] <rodrigo_> ok
[14:01] <seb128> do you guys get u1 notifications for file being synced on Oneiric?
[14:04] <seb128> ignore that
[14:04] <seb128> it works
[14:06] <pitti> seb128: I got it maybe two weeks ago
[14:06] <pitti> (but now my music has finished syncing)
[14:06] <pitti> desrt: I think https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glib2.0/2.30.0-0ubuntu2/+build/2809209 has hanged there for a long time, in case that helps
[14:09] <jjardon> Hi, I getting very strange values about the time to charge in my battery, could someone confirm? run upower -d and then take a look to the "time to full" line
[14:10] <jjardon> Do we have a kernel upgrade recently?
[14:10] <pitti> we got one today
[14:10] <pitti> due to bumping -meta
[14:10] <pitti> jjardon: I noticed that with the new kernel I get one battery which isn't actually existing
[14:10] <desrt> pitti: i don't imagine there is any hope at all of getting a backtrace on one of these hangs?
[14:10] <pitti>     energy:              0 Wh
[14:10] <pitti> and so on
[14:11] <pitti> desrt: not easily; perhaps you can talk lamont into hooking strace to that thing or so
[14:11] <pitti> jjardon: [    0.865598] ACPI: Battery Slot [BAT0] (battery absent)
[14:11] <pitti> jjardon: ^ that's what I get in dmesg now; do you get something similar?
[14:11] <pitti> jjardon: (it is right in the sense that I actually took out the battery from the laptop)
[14:12] <pitti> but until yesterday the kernel didn't expose a bogus battery for this
[14:12] <rodrigo_> bug #860497
[14:12] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 860497 in gnome-control-center "[UIFe] system informations should show the Ubuntu version and logo" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/860497
[14:12] <jjardon> pitti: mine is correct: [    1.300722] ACPI: Battery Slot [BAT0] (battery present)
[14:13] <jjardon> but the reported chargue of the battery Its not correct
[14:13] <pitti> jjardon: ok, then I assume you mean something else than "0 Wh" by "strange"?
[14:13] <seb128> rodrigo_, yes?
[14:13] <pitti> jjardon: I've also seen the values be multiplied by ten after resuming
[14:13] <rodrigo_> seb128, yes what? :)
[14:14] <seb128> rodrigo_, did you want to ask or say anything about the bug? or you just used the bot to get the url? ;-)
[14:14] <jjardon> pitti: for example, charging the battery the time to chargue starts by 1 hour, and then start to grow
[14:14] <rodrigo_> seb128, just wanted the bot to give me the url, sorry :)
[14:14] <pitti> jjardon: ah, I never saw that; but I didn't try battery with current kernel yet
[14:14] <seb128> rodrigo_, nw ;-)
[14:14] <jjardon> I just get 4 hours to charge and suddenlly the battery is fully charged
[14:16] <chrisccoulson> pitti - bug 852406?
[14:16] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 852406 in linux "Phantom battery appears after resume from suspend" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/852406
[14:16] <rodrigo_> jjardon, is it an old battery? this usually happens to me (also when recharging) when the battery gets a bit old and if I had it for long plkugged when 100% charged
[14:16] <chrisccoulson> i've had that ever since i got my new laptop though
[14:16] <pitti> chrisccoulson: maybe
[14:16] <pitti> chrisccoulson: ooh, wait
[14:16] <pitti> chrisccoulson: indeed, it suspended over lunch break, that could be it
[14:16] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yeah, it seems my laptop has a second battery slot, but the kernel actually exposes a bogus battery in sysfs after resuming
[14:17] <chrisccoulson> i also see "ACPI: Battery Slot [BAT0] (battery absent)" at startup too
[14:19] <jjardon> rodrigo_: not too old, and It was working correctly like a week ago
[14:19] <rodrigo_> jjardon, do you usually keep it plugged when it's 100% charged?
[14:19] <rodrigo_> as I said, that's happened to me in a lot of laptops after some use
[14:19] <seb128> jjardon, try rebooting on the previous kernel and see if that's still an issue?
[14:20] <rodrigo_> also, having 1 hour something of battery, and suddenly the laptop shutting down because of no battery
[14:20] <jjardon> rodrigo_: Id say that is a kernel bug
[14:20] <rodrigo_> jjardon, ok, that's better than having a broken battery :)
[14:21] <jjardon> :)
[14:27] <rodrigo_> seb128, so, where's the ubuntu logo appropriate for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/860497 ?
[14:27] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 860497 in gnome-control-center "[UIFe] system informations should show the Ubuntu version and logo" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[14:28] <rodrigo_> is /usr/share/icons/gnome/scalable/places/ubuntu-logo.svg good?
[14:28] <jjardon> ok, definetly something wrong is happening here: discharge your battery a little from full-charged. Start to charge again. Unplug the AC: I get a popup about my battery is critically low and the laptop hibernates
[14:28] <seb128> rodrigo_, the googledoc says "ask rosie for the asset", try to ask design?
[14:29] <rodrigo_> seb128, yes, right
[14:31] <pitti> back in 30, supermarket
[14:34] <agateau> tkamppeter: formatting is indeed not supported by sni-qt as in: you can't really create title items. regarding icons: it is possible to use icons but they must be file-based: right now hp-systray loads the icon pixmaps itself and passes pixmaps to sni-qt. This is not supported.
[14:34] <rodrigo_> do we install gnome-icon-theme-full by default?
[14:36] <rodrigo_> well, no worry
[14:38] <tkamppeter> agateau, this is only cosmetic, more important is to get the hp-systray indicator icon on login.
[14:38] <agateau> tkamppeter: I am on it, but it's a bit more work than I expected
[14:39] <ogra_> hmm, so if i enable the "show time in panel" feature in gnome-power-manager it shows "Unknown Time" if my battery is charged
[14:40] <ogra_> does that sound like a bug to anyone else ?
[14:41] <ogra_> i mean, literally it does what its supposed to ... but i think it should just hide the time bit altogether if it cant show a time
[14:43] <seb128> rodrigo_, no, that was the point of the new binary, not installing it ;-)
[14:44] <seb128> rodrigo_, it's easy to move icons in the default set if some are missing though
[14:53] <seb128> rodrigo_, bug #860485 would the ui bug lead to a wrong config?
[14:53] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 860485 in gnome-settings-daemon "bad default setting: suspend after 30min when plugged in" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/860485
[14:53] <seb128> rodrigo_, because we got several people including pitti and chrisccoulson who had it suspending
[14:55] <jjardon> ogra_: seems a bug in the kernel
[14:55] <jjardon> ogra_: whats the output of upower -d
[14:55] <ogra_> jjardon, why the kernel ?
[14:56] <ogra_> oh, it still thinks it charges
[14:56] <jjardon> I get strange values from upower here too
[14:57] <jjardon> ogra_: what happen if you are charging and unplug the AC?
[14:57] <ogra_> well, i dont use a std kernel ... my arch is a bit behind
[14:57] <ogra_> i get proer time values
[14:57] <ogra_> *proper
[15:02] <ogra_> hmm, discussing with the kernel maintainer it seems my battery just charges veeery slow and it should be normal
[15:02] <ogra_> so i guess the time value for g-p-m is just to small to compute it
[15:09] <jjardon> ogra_: the time value is too big, in that case
[15:09] <ogra_> or that
[15:09] <jjardon> what upower -d reports in time to charge?
[15:10] <ogra_> time to full:        48 seconds
[15:12] <ogra_> (which is indeed nonsense)
[15:12] <rodrigo_> seb128, hmm, maybe g-s-d doesn't take into account the gsettings key, looking
[15:17] <pitti> didrocks: you are working on glibmm2.4, right? gtkmm needs that
[15:17] <didrocks> pitti: feel free to store it, last time I upgraded (2 hours ago, I stil didn't get an updated glib)
[15:17] <didrocks> pitti: and I need to write the team report now as I've a doctor appointment during the meeting
[15:17] <pitti> didrocks: it built on all arches now
[15:18] <pitti> didrocks: oh, nothing serious I hope?
[15:19] <didrocks> pitti: no, just need a certificate to have the licence to take some rock dance lessons :)
[15:19] <pitti> you need a certificate for that? wow
[15:19] <pitti> didrocks: ok, pushed to bzr, waiting for glibmm then
[15:20] <pitti> didrocks: libglib is on archive.u.c. now FYI
[15:20] <didrocks> pitti: ok, apt-get update and upgrade now
[15:20] <didrocks> while writing the meeting report
[15:20] <pitti> jasoncwarner, Sweetshark, bryceh, chrisccoulson, didrocks, tremolux, Riddell, kenvandine, cyphermox, mterry, rodrigo_, seb128, tkamppeter, pedro_: meeting reminder in 10 mins
[15:20] <cyphermox> aye!
[15:26]  * kenvandine goes to refill coffee first
[15:27] <pedro_> kenvandine, happy birthday!
[15:28] <seb128> kenvandine, so your birthday present was a 4am phone call from jasoncwarner_? ;-)
[15:28] <seb128> call->meeting
[15:29] <pitti> ooh, happy birthday ken!
[15:30] <rodrigo_> kenvandine, happy birthday!
[15:30] <kenvandine> thx
[15:30]  * kenvandine waves
[15:30] <pitti> jasoncwarner, Sweetshark, bryceh, chrisccoulson, didrocks, tremolux, Riddell, kenvandine, cyphermox, mterry, rodrigo_, seb128, tkamppeter, pedro_: meeting now
[15:30]  * pedro_ waves
[15:30] <seb128> rodrigo_, oh btw cyphermox landed the nm-applet new lib so your can drop the gcc commit revert
[15:30] <seb128> hey
[15:30] <pitti> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2011-09-27
[15:31] <seb128> hey pedro_ ;-)
[15:31] <cyphermox> o/
[15:31] <didrocks> (please refresh, just posted the unity report)
[15:31] <pitti> so according to the weekly summary this was clearly a LibO fixing week :)
[15:31] <pedro_> lut seb128 :-)
[15:31] <pitti> Sweetshark: (nice job)
[15:31] <pitti> and new unity with some umphteen fixes, yay
[15:32] <pitti> kenvandine: anything to discuss partner-wise?
[15:32] <kenvandine> yeah
[15:32] <pitti> I guess the music scope is the big thing this week?
[15:32] <kenvandine> not really... round of bug fix releases for indicators coming
[15:32] <rodrigo_> seb128, yes, but libnm-gtk doesn't seem to be available in the repo, will ask him after the meeting
[15:33] <pitti> rodrigo_: just binNEWed it an hour or so ago
[15:33]  * didrocks runs will bb in 40 minutes hopefully
[15:33] <rodrigo_> pitti, ah
[15:33] <pitti> didrocks: thanks for the wiki update
[15:33] <didrocks> pitti: I'll take care of glibmm and gtkmm after
[15:33] <seb128> didrocks, see you
[15:33] <kenvandine> that is all i have
[15:33] <pitti> didrocks: gtkmm3.0 is already in ubuntu:gtkmm3.0
[15:33] <pitti> didrocks: (not yet test-built, of course), but I can continue this tomorrow morning
[15:33] <didrocks> pitti: ok, thanks :)
[15:34] <pitti> kenvandine: bug 851691 is a bit of a concern
[15:34] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 851691 in unity-lens-music "[FFE] Add support for U1 in the music lens" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/851691
[15:34] <pitti> it's veeeery late, and hasn't really been tested yet
[15:34] <didrocks> I guess this one is on my plate :)
[15:34] <pitti> I understand it's in ubuntu-desktop?
[15:34] <didrocks> pitti: it's basically the one in the ubuntu-desktop ppa for a while
[15:34] <didrocks> but I agree it's late
[15:34] <tkamppeter> hi
[15:35] <pitti> didrocks: are there some testing instructions somewhere, so that we can test this from the PPA a bit?
[15:35] <didrocks> pitti: I guess I need the release of the last version (the one which doesn't need the environment variable then)
[15:35] <didrocks> pitti: and then, yeah, I can give you some instructions for tomorrow morning
[15:36] <didrocks> I tested, found some unity crashes, they are fixed now in oneiric
[15:36] <didrocks> and I listed some bugs that needed to be fixed before entering oneiric (not related to the FFe itself)
[15:36] <pitti> didrocks: thanks, that's appreciated, and would help for the FFE
[15:36] <didrocks> they are all fixed after 2 weeks
[15:36] <didrocks> just to tell it's been tested, but more testing is appreciated, right, will setup that tomorrow once I get the release :)
[15:37]  * didrocks really runs now, ttyl
[15:38] <pitti> ok, thanks
[15:38] <pitti> anything else that we need to discuss?
[15:39] <cyphermox> yup
[15:39] <pitti> cyphermox: go :)
[15:39] <cyphermox> just got wind of https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=736489 , not sure if it applies to us, but fyi :)
[15:39] <ubot2> bugzilla.redhat.com bug 736489 in glib2 "[ppc64] wrong mapping for G_TYPE_ENUM to libffi type" [Urgent,New]
[15:40] <pitti> does that apply to us? the powerpc binaries are all 32 bit, I though
[15:40] <cyphermox> it might on arm
[15:41]  * Sweetshark grumbles. missed the praise because I wanted to get the patches for ubuntu4 to fix commited before the meeting ...
[15:41] <pitti> hm, arm is little-endian and 32 bit
[15:41] <cyphermox> also, NM has a pretty annoying bug right now: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/856333
[15:41] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 856333 in network-manager "(oneiric) wired connection unnaturally slow" [Medium,In progress]
[15:42] <cyphermox> any help would be welcome, but it seems to be muchly an issue in libnl, I'm working on it and it was submitted upstream
[15:42] <pitti> cyphermox: I've seen the same issue for years, I don't think it's new; did it get worse?
[15:42] <cyphermox> pitti: this is with connecting wifi and wired at the same time
[15:42] <seb128> oh, that's a nm issue? I switched to wifi this week, I though my router was broken
[15:42] <cyphermox> it definitely did work in Natty
[15:43] <seb128> router or cable or something
[15:43] <cyphermox> seb128: routes are missing a "metric X" value; which causes something like 80% packet loss, if not 100%
[15:43] <pitti> cyphermox: I was once connected to both eth and wifi at the same time in natty, and it did exactly that -- half of the TCP connectinos were broken
[15:43] <seb128> didn't have time to investigate yet, it's just that wifi works fine
[15:43] <cyphermox> pitti: WFM ;)
[15:43] <cyphermox> adding the metric makes it work too, some maybe you were seeing something else too
[15:44] <cyphermox> anyway, that's all I had
[15:46] <Sweetshark> oh oh, I got another one: I announce my candidacy for the TDF BoD http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Candidacy-for-Board-of-Directors-seat-Bjoern-Michaelsen-td3372142.html
[15:46] <pitti> ok, good luck with debugging that then!
[15:46] <seb128> rodrigo_, you should do a reminder for your motu application there ;-)
[15:47] <rodrigo_> seb128, yes, I need the endorsements 1st
[15:47] <seb128> rodrigo_, well I was suggesting that it was a good time to remind people about your wikipage :)
[15:47] <rodrigo_> ah, ok :)
[15:47] <rodrigo_> please endorse me at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RodrigoMoya/MOTUApplication and your salaries will be increased!!!
[15:48] <kenvandine> woot
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[15:48]  * kenvandine jumps on that
[15:48] <pitti> Sweetshark: nice! sounds like a lot of sitting in meetings?
[15:49] <pitti> AOB? if not, I'll let everyone go back to fixing oneiric :)
[15:49] <pedro_> o/
[15:50] <pedro_> just an small item
[15:50] <pitti> pedro_: go ahead, please
[15:50] <pedro_> we need someone to please look at bug 851044
[15:50] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 851044 in banshee "Banshee.exe crashed with SIGABRT in g_cclosure_marshal_VOID__VOID() / while using Ubuntu 1 Store." [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/851044
[15:50] <Sweetshark> yes, and getting them to sign off that the foundation money is needed for my private yacht ...
[15:50] <pitti> Sweetshark: ah, of course
[15:50] <pedro_> it's making banshee crash while using U1 , not sure if its a webkit issue or mono
[15:50] <pedro_> so expertise is needed there ;-)
[15:51] <pitti> is there a reproducer?
[15:51] <pedro_> its easy to reproduce just following the steps on the description
[15:51] <pitti> fortunately we have so many mono developers around (oh wait..)
[15:51] <pedro_> aka scrolling while in U1
[15:52] <pedro_> lol
[15:52] <rodrigo_> pedro_, if it's the music store, dobey is working on it, dobey?
[15:52] <pedro_> I thought seb128 was a mono developer
[15:52]  * pedro_ run away
[15:52] <pitti> presumably the music store then
[15:52] <tkamppeter> pitti, have you seen my suggestion about buying printers for UDSes and sprints?
[15:52] <seb128> pedro_, yeah, better to run
[15:52] <rodrigo_> :)
[15:52] <seb128> I've no clue about mono ;-)
[15:53] <pitti> tkamppeter: I did; I think it's a great idea, but we need to discuss that with IS; I think mail is better there
[15:53] <rodrigo_> seb128, it's monkey in Spanish
[15:53] <seb128> pedro_, seems like a bug u1 should handle
[15:53] <seb128> rodrigo_, is that pedro_'s nickname?
[15:53] <seb128> ;-)
[15:53] <pedro_> !
[15:53] <pitti> tkamppeter: as they'd need to handle the logistics
[15:53] <pedro_> seb128, i'll subscribe the u1 team to it
[15:54] <rodrigo_> seb128, :)
[15:54] <pedro_> seb128, and btw that's how we said france in spanish :-P
[15:54] <seb128> pedro_, or assign to them
[15:54] <rodrigo_> pedro_, now you'd better run away for real :)
[15:54] <pedro_> lol
[15:54] <pedro_> i'm lucky to no be near seb128 ;-)
[15:54]  * pedro_ looks around
[15:54] <seb128> pedro_, that time will come don't worry
[15:55] <rodrigo_> I expect lots of knocking on our door at UDS this time
[15:56] <seb128> that hotel is no fun though, there are at least 2 rooms before the bed, hard to make that much noise on the door ;-)
[15:56] <rodrigo_> cool! :)
[15:56] <pitti> sounds like a wrap to me
[15:56] <pitti> thanks everyone!
[15:56] <seb128> yes, I was going to say
[15:57] <seb128> sorry for turning the end of meeting in random joke comments ;-)
[15:57] <seb128> thanks pitti
[15:57] <pitti> no problem :)
[15:57] <pitti> fun is what this is all about
[16:00] <tkamppeter> pitti, and printers for individual developers I can handle directly with the developer. So only developers or team leaders, or ... should peak up if there are needs.
[16:00] <tkamppeter> pitti, how to contact the IS team?
[16:01] <pitti> tkamppeter: I'll follow up to your mail
[16:02] <seb128> ok, time for some sport, I will be back in ~1h
[16:02] <pitti> TTFN for me, too; see you tomorrow!
[16:04] <seb128> pitti, have fun, see you tomorrow
[16:04] <seb128> rodrigo_, the nm binaries are there if you want to upgrade
[16:05] <rodrigo_> seb128, ok
[16:06] <mdeslaur> seb128: can I upload a fix for #859498 ? I'll send it upstream after
[16:23] <dobey> rodrigo_: dobey is not working on it
[16:27] <dobey> pedro_: so, the only bits that have changed since 11.04 with that are banshee, webkit, and mono; this doesn't seem to be an issue on 11.04, so i would be suspecting one of those 3 things
[16:27] <dobey> why it doesn't happen in the amz store, or software-center or anything else, i don't know. but that evidence tends to lead me away from webkit
[16:56] <rodrigo_> dobey, I mean you are working in libu1, not on that specific bug :)
[16:56] <rodrigo_> anyway, time for some fresh air, bbl
[17:15] <seb128> mdeslaur, sure
[17:16] <didrocks> ok, glibmm uploaded, time to do some exercice
[17:16] <didrocks> seb128: if you are interested, u-l-m in the ppa now
[17:17] <seb128> didrocks, thanks
[17:17] <didrocks> instructions are at https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/851691
[17:17] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 851691 in unity "[FFE] Add support for U1 in the music lens" [High,Fix committed]
[17:17] <seb128> just back from exercice there ;)
[17:17] <didrocks> need to go there before night :)
[17:18] <seb128> it's getting late
[17:18] <seb128> it will be night in 15 minutes
[17:20] <didrocks> I know, I'm screwed :)
[17:21]  * didrocks waves good evening
[17:30] <mdeslaur> pedro_: I'll upstream bug 859498
[17:30] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 859498 in gnome-settings-daemon "Desktop is visible and interactable after suspend by hotkey" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/859498
[17:31] <pedro_> mdeslaur, awesome thanks :-)
[18:03] <charlie-tca> seb128: Is there any way when users have both ubuntu-desktop and xubuntu-desktop we can tell Nautilus not to run in Xubuntu?
[18:03] <charlie-tca> I have bug 836208 on it, but don't know how to fix it.
[18:03] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 836208 in xubuntu-meta "On login to xubuntu session, starts nautilus which ruins desktop" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/836208
[18:14] <charlie-tca> seb128: Is there any way when users have both ubuntu-desktop and xubuntu-desktop we can tell Nautilus not to run in Xubuntu?
[18:14] <charlie-tca> I have bug 836208 on it, but don't know how to fix it.
[18:14] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 836208 in xubuntu-meta "On login to xubuntu session, starts nautilus which ruins desktop" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/836208
[18:15] <seb128> charlie-tca, that's the bug I asked you about the r-t meeting on friday and fixed in Oneiric?
[18:15] <charlie-tca> no, it is not fixed
[18:15] <charlie-tca> is it?
[18:16] <seb128> well I fixed it on friday
[18:16] <charlie-tca> Thank you very much
[18:16] <charlie-tca> I will sign it fixed then
[18:16] <seb128> using OnlyShowIn=GNOME;Unity;
[18:16] <charlie-tca> No, this is different
[18:17] <charlie-tca> That was g-c-c I think
[18:17] <seb128> no, that's the session autostart
[18:17] <seb128> i.e what makes nautilus run on session start
[18:17] <charlie-tca> Oh, okay.
[18:17] <charlie-tca> Then that should fix this too, right?
[18:17] <seb128> not sure
[18:18] <charlie-tca> Okay, I will tell the reporter to give us an update, then.
[18:18] <seb128> if not the xfce session needs to set "org.gnome.desktop.background show-desktop-icons" to false
[18:18] <seb128> using dconf-editor
[18:18] <seb128> well what was fixed is that nautilus will stop being started in xfce
[18:18] <seb128> now if some use run in manually it might take on the desktop if that key is not set
[18:19] <seb128> is xubuntu using nautilus as its default file browser?
[18:19] <charlie-tca> no, thunar is the default in Xubuntu
[18:19] <seb128> ok
[18:19] <seb128> so yeah, the "nautilus start with the session" is fixed then
[18:20] <charlie-tca> Thank you very much!
[18:20] <seb128> if some users want to use nautilus but not it to take the desktop they need to set that key
[18:20] <seb128> you're welcome
[18:20] <Sweetshark> so who should be assigned to bug 849508? it sure isnt a LO bug. Unity?
[18:20] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 849508 in df-libreoffice "[Upstream] Double clicking on .ods file opens Calc but does not load file" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/849508
[18:21] <Sweetshark> (see last comment)
[18:21] <seb128> Sweetshark, not unity for pretty sure
[18:22] <seb128> Sweetshark, the description says "Using KDE 4.71, fully updated."
[18:23] <seb128> Sweetshark, try asking on #kubuntu or reassign to kdebase and let them triage it
[18:23] <seb128> brb
[18:50] <dobey> kenvandine: care to sponsor a couple uploads? :)
[18:51] <dobey> oh, i see seb128 did one just now :P
[18:52] <seb128> dobey, yeah, I did ubuntuone-install and ubuntuone-control-panel
[18:52] <seb128> if you have others feel free to ask kenvandine
[18:52] <dobey> seb128: i just proposed ubuntuone-client-gnome also
[18:52] <dobey> https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntu/oneiric/ubuntuone-client-gnome/release-200/+merge/77216
[18:53] <seb128> ok, can do that as well I guess
[18:53] <dobey> seb128: thanks
[18:53] <seb128> yw
[18:53] <kenvandine> seb128, thx :)
[19:58] <dobey> seb128: ping. are you sure you merged my ubuntuone-installer update? doesn't seem to be in the ubuntu branch history, and launchpad doesn't see it as being uploaded to the archive yet
[19:58] <seb128> dobey, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=ubuntuone
[19:59] <seb128> dobey, hum, I might have not pushed the vcs, will fix that later when I'm on the box which I used for the upload
[19:59] <dobey> seb128: ah; shouldn't the vcs have it already though?
[19:59] <dobey> ok
[19:59] <seb128> sorry about that
[19:59] <seb128> you might want to do nag the #ubuntu-release guys to get the uploads in
[20:00] <dobey> no worries. :)
[20:00] <dobey> ok
[20:00] <dobey> thanks
[20:09] <seb128> bryceh, hey, you might want to ping federico about the gnome-display-properties issues, bastien is not always that easy to work on and that code is mostly maintained by federico (or written by him, he's not very active recently)
[20:10] <desrt> seb128: ;)
[20:11] <seb128> to work "with"
[20:11] <seb128> desrt, just saying ;-)
[20:11] <bryceh> seb128, heh thanks, yeah I am getting that impression :-)
[20:11] <jbicha> does anyone know where in the list the System Settings launcher will be...for Docs screenshots?
[20:12] <desrt> seb128: how's gnome-shell looking this cycle?
[20:12] <seb128> desrt, in Ubuntu you mean?
[20:12] <desrt> ya
[20:13] <bryceh> seb128, I was planning to dig into the g-c-c code a bit myself to figure out what it's doing badly, but with such a reception from gnome I have to rethink that ;-)  but maybe I'll see if I can find federico
[20:13] <desrt> i know that it's looking awesome upstream :)
[20:13] <chrisccoulson> seb128, heh ;)
[20:13] <seb128> desrt, quite good but not perfect we screwed a bit
[20:13] <seb128> chrisccoulson, hey ;-)
[20:13] <chrisccoulson> hi seb128, how are you?
[20:13] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I'm fine thanks, how are you?
[20:13] <seb128> enjoying your holidays?
[20:13] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, good thanks. just enjoying a beer
[20:14] <chrisccoulson> :)
[20:15] <seb128> chrisccoulson, lucky you! I could do with a beer now ;-)
[20:16] <kenvandine> whew... finished merging a load of gwibber fixes and rolled a release
[20:16] <kenvandine> finally!
[20:16] <seb128> desrt, sorry got sidetracked, it's an apt-get install away and works great out of the box
[20:16] <desrt> seb128: what got screwed up?
[20:17] <seb128> desrt, the screwups are webkit, we stayed on 1.4 because we got bitten by not having a stable by release time previous cycle, which means we didn't get epiphany 3.2 in and webapps
[20:17] <seb128> we will get it in the gnome
[20:17] <seb128> we will get it in the gnome3 ppa
[20:17] <seb128> desrt, the other one is that nobody updated gdm to 3.2 and it's getting late, we might ppa that as well
[20:18] <seb128> kenvandine, great ;-)
[20:18] <desrt> seb128: bit of a shame on the second point
[20:18] <desrt> seb128: the new gdm is all kinds of awesome
[20:18] <kenvandine> seb128, now i am going to call it a day and enjoy a cold beer for my birthday :)
[20:18] <desrt> onscreen keyboard = i can login on my tablet :)
[20:18] <seb128> desrt, yes, I was asking around today if somebody was interested to do it and asking pitti if he would stick ack it, he was pondering seems a non trivial update late but since we don't use it by default it's less of a potential issue
[20:19] <jbicha> if one one gets to it sooner I hope to play with GDM 3.2 by this weekend
[20:19] <seb128> kenvandine, you should, have fun and get some sleep as well, I hope you don't have meetings in the middle of the night again tomorrow ;-)
[20:19] <kenvandine> none that i know of.. yet :)
[20:19] <seb128> jbicha, well, ricotz has a package for it I think, it's on the etherpad
[20:20] <kenvandine> good night all!
[20:20] <seb128> it got blocked on lib split details
[20:20] <seb128> jbicha, if you want to test and sponsor it feel free
[20:20] <seb128> 'night kenvandine
[20:20] <jbicha> seb128: yeah his version was a bit out of date now but it's a definite start
[20:23] <ricotz> jbicha, there is an more updated version
[20:23] <jbicha> ricotz: hi, could you publish your branch for us? and maybe push to the Desktop PPA?
[20:23] <ricotz> which isnt working, bigon wanted to look at it too http://people.ubuntu.com/~ricotz/gdm/
[20:25] <ricotz> jbicha, ignore the changelog, it isnt right
[20:25] <ricotz> nor complete
[20:27] <bigon> I'm compiling it
[20:27] <bigon> let's see
[20:31] <seb128> jbicha, oh, for your unity question, the bug description says "  - The 'System Settings' launcher icon should be positioned directly above the workspace switcher icon."
[20:33] <jbicha> seb128: thanks, I just didn't get around to looking for where they were putting it
[20:38] <bigon> yeah it freeze
[20:38] <bigon> Sep 27 22:36:51 fornost gdm-session-worker[2721]: GLib-GObject-CRITICAL: g_value_get_boolean: assertion `G_VALUE_HOLDS_BOOLEAN (value)' failed
[20:38] <bigon> I mean: Sep 27 22:36:47 fornost gdm-simple-slave[2571]: CRITICAL: gdm_session_direct_get_username: assertion `session != NULL' failed
[20:43] <ejat> anyone here use kmail in unity ?
[21:46] <bigon> jbicha:
[21:46] <bigon> Sep 27 23:41:12 fornost gdm-welcome][19662]: DEBUG(+): GdmSessionWorker: obj_path=/org/gnome/DisplayManager/Session interface=org.gnome.DisplayManager.Session method=Authorize
[21:46] <bigon> Sep 27 23:41:12 fornost gdm-welcome][19662]: DEBUG(+): GdmSessionWorker: attempting to change state to AUTHORIZED
[21:46] <bigon> Sep 27 23:41:12 fornost gdm-welcome][19662]: DEBUG(+): GdmSessionWorker: determining if authenticated user is authorized to session
[21:46] <bigon> Sep 27 23:41:12 fornost gdm-welcome][19662]: DEBUG(+): GdmSessionWorker: user is not authorized to log in: Autorisation refusée
[22:49] <bryceh> seb128, still around by chance?  What is a 'gnome-desktop log'?
[22:52]  * Sarvatt is wondering that too from https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=659039#c7
[22:52] <ubot2> Gnome bug 659039 in Display "[Regression] gnome control centre does not allow you to disable the laptop screen while leaving an external connected screen working" [Normal,Needinfo]
[22:54] <bryceh> Sarvatt, apparently it's something I should not need to be told  :-P
[22:57] <bjf> slangasek, bug #846451 affects me (i'm only mentioning it because I say you uploaded flashplugin-nonfree and thought you might know what the issue is with this)
[22:57] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 846451 in flashplugin-nonfree "Packaging problem in Beta 1" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/846451
[22:57] <seb128> hey bryceh, hum, good question ;-)
[22:57] <seb128> robert_ancell, hey
[22:57] <robert_ancell> seb128, hello
[22:57] <slangasek> bjf: working on that one now... please confirm that you're missing /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/multiarch
[22:58] <slangasek> bryceh: clearly you're meant to send him the output of 'gnome-desktop log' run at the commandline ;)
[22:58] <robert_ancell> seb128, I've set my system locale to fr_FR.utf8, damn it I will get the greeter to show in French!
[22:58] <bryceh> slangasek, heh
[22:59] <seb128> robert_ancell, 0.1.0 works fine in french including password: and login:
[22:59] <seb128> ;-)
[22:59] <seb128> robert_ancell, lightdm 0.9.8 is no go though, I stayed up to catch up with you ;-)
[22:59] <robert_ancell> seb128, ? can you show me your lightdm.log
[22:59] <seb128> robert_ancell, so issues I get with 0.9.8 are
[23:00] <seb128> - nothing on the greeter is displaying translated
[23:00] <seb128> - g-s-d from the greeter keep running after login
[23:00] <seb128> (which breaks g-s-d)
[23:00] <seb128> - the session local is english
[23:00] <bjf> slangasek, there is nothing in /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d  (only the directory exists)
[23:01] <jasoncwarner_> morning everyone...meeting time. bryceh RAOF TheMuso robert_ancell
[23:01] <robert_ancell> seb128, so 1 & 3 seem to be the same issue, I'm not getting LANG set from PAM (and PATH either)
[23:01] <jasoncwarner_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2011-09-27
[23:01] <robert_ancell> seb128, 2 is odd...
[23:01] <slangasek> bjf: yeppers - this was meant to have been created automatically on install from beta-1 on, but there was a bug
[23:01] <TheMuso> Morning folks.
[23:01] <slangasek> bjf: so I'm gonna poke it into the dpkg package itself shortly
[23:01] <RAOF> Mornin' all.
[23:01] <bjf> slangasek, way cool
[23:01] <jasoncwarner_> I imagine everyone is quite busy, so we can make it fast today.
[23:02] <bjf> slangasek, (that it's going to get fixed)
[23:02] <jasoncwarner_> RAOF: care to update on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/824099
[23:02] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 824099 in gnome-desktop3 "Max GL texture size can break multi-head" [High,In progress]
[23:02] <DBO> does anyone else just blindly ignore all notify OSD things?
[23:02] <bryceh> heya
[23:03] <RAOF> broder has reviewed the patch I've got for that on https://code.launchpad.net/~raof/gnome-desktop/workaround-bug-824099/+merge/77097 and very reasonably pointed out that fork without exec in a library is antisocial.  I'm respinning it as a split-out binary now.
[23:03] <RAOF> There's also a string-freeze exception request for it, as it adds a new user-visible error message when you try to set a config that won't work in Unity.
[23:04] <seb128> robert_ancell, sec, I tried to put it on u1 but I get a "The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later."
[23:04] <jasoncwarner_> RAOF: ok, should we look for it tomorrowish? (final freeze, after all ;) )
[23:05] <robert_ancell> seb128, paste.ubuntu.com?
[23:05] <seb128> robert_ancell, I was not sure if those logs have private infos
[23:05] <jasoncwarner_> TheMuso: how are things looking for Unity-2d and ubiquity on a11y?
[23:05] <RAOF> jasoncwarner_: Yes.  Stripping the check out into a separate binary won't be hard; the autofoo will probably be the most annoying bit.
[23:05] <robert_ancell> seb128, nah, it should be safe
[23:05] <seb128> robert_ancell, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/698179/
[23:06] <TheMuso> jasoncwarner_: Very good actually. A few key ubiquity bugs have been fixed in previous days, which should make the screen reader experience with ubiquity somewhat better. There is more to do, but thats for P.
[23:06] <jasoncwarner_> TheMuso: great, thanks.
[23:06] <jasoncwarner_> TheMuso: how about sound? anything you wanted to report?
[23:06] <TheMuso> As for unity-2d, just about everythign is accessible, there is just a few little bugs here and there with regards to things on the dash not being spoken, and quicklists closing when you try and arrow up/down them for the first time. The 2d devs know about these alrady./
[23:07] <TheMuso> jasoncwarner_: Final lot of bugfixes for pulse going in today. As it is, 1.0 of pulse was released overnight, and since its only bugfixes since we pulled from git master last time, I am pretty sure I can put it all in before final freeze.
[23:07] <jasoncwarner_> TheMuso: oh, great.
[23:08] <jasoncwarner_> TheMuso: all bug fixes? nothing slipping in ;)? I get on other teams about slipping in stuff, so have to ask our own! :)
[23:08] <TheMuso> jasoncwarner_: You have my word that I will be personally checking every commit that is possibly going in.
[23:09] <jasoncwarner_> TheMuso: awesome, thanks!
[23:09] <jasoncwarner_> robert_ancell: want to update on LightDM and Unity-Greeter? how is multimonitor going?
[23:10] <robert_ancell> the latest unity-greeter (0.1.0) should be all fixed, but awaiting final confirmation from affected users
[23:10] <robert_ancell> there is one more lightdm release I want to make, just working through some last minute regressions
[23:11] <jasoncwarner_> robert_ancell: what is in the last release for lightdm? anything significant? bug fixes?
[23:12] <robert_ancell> a bunch of fixes, nothing notable for the standard use case
[23:13] <jasoncwarner_> robert_ancell: cool
[23:13] <jasoncwarner_> bryceh: anything you wanted to discuss?
[23:13] <bryceh> jasoncwarner_, just hammering on some bugs, but did have a ocuple general questions
[23:13] <bryceh> a. has a name for P been decided yet?
[23:13] <jasoncwarner_> bryceh: I haven't seen it announced yet. Anyone see anything?
[23:13] <bryceh> b. has it been decided where we going in January?
[23:14] <jasoncwarner_> bryceh: b. not that I've heard, but the date seems set. I'll find out.
[23:14] <bryceh> I've heared rumors of Lisbon
[23:15] <jasoncwarner_> bryceh: yeah, I don't know so I'll start probing marianna to get the deets
[23:15] <bryceh> jasoncwarner_, speaking of the multimonitor issues, I've been poking at it the past couple days
[23:15] <jasoncwarner_> bryceh: the one RAOF is working on? or the tablecloth one?
[23:15] <bryceh> jasoncwarner_, no different one, pitti had mentioned it
[23:16] <jasoncwarner_> (for those that don't know...bryce explained multi-monitor to me using table cloth analogy...he effectively dumbed down X to manager speak ;) )
[23:16] <bryceh> jasoncwarner_, well, really, just poking around at dual-head configuration... there seems to be a lot of little glitchy problems
[23:16] <jasoncwarner_> bryceh: bug #?
[23:16] <bryceh> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/828623
[23:16] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 828623 in gnome-control-center "[Regression] gnome control centre does not allow you to disable the laptop screen while leaving an external DisplayPort connected screen working" [High,Triaged]
[23:18] <jasoncwarner_> bryceh: ah, yeah...ok...thanks for looking at that.
[23:18] <jasoncwarner_> bryceh: anything else ?
[23:18] <jasoncwarner_> anyone, AOB?
[23:18] <bryceh> nope
[23:20] <jasoncwarner_> ok, sounds about right.
[23:20] <jasoncwarner_> end meeting - thanks everyone!
[23:20] <jasoncwarner_> final few days ;)
[23:21] <bryceh> jasoncwarner_, I suppose my thinking with multimonitor is that I'm not seeing so much a massive "totally broken" situation, but rather more of a "so many little glitches it's fragile as an icecycle"
[23:22] <RAOF> Is that like a lightcycle?  If so, that'd be pretty cool :P
[23:24] <jasoncwarner_> bryceh: probably right, imo. I'm hoping RAOF's change will make it better (at least you can't put yourself into a bad state) and then we have to make it a priority for P
[23:24] <bryceh> icecycle, humm ;-)
[23:25] <RAOF> My patch will only prevent a very specific case of breakage.
[23:25] <RAOF> Although, in the general case, the "You have 30 seconds to hit the 'yes, this worked' button" should catch most other really broken setups.  Unless the bug wedges something into a strange and broken state where undoing the change fails too.
[23:26] <bryceh> kinda wish gnome-display-properties was implemented in a way that was easier for us X guys to hack on
[23:26] <RAOF> It's all in libgnome-desktop for some reason :)
[23:26] <bryceh> RAOF, hey in one test I was able to get it not to restore, so after fixing with xrandr, I saw a dialog with "You have -231 seconds to hit the button"
[23:26] <bryceh> got a photo of that one :-)
[23:26] <RAOF> Awesome!
[23:27] <RAOF> Also, disturbing.
[23:27] <RAOF> Memory corruption?
[23:27] <jbicha> my touchpad cursor froze earlier today in Unity; I had to log out and back in to get it back
[23:27] <bryceh> RAOF, maybe; system crashed and burned not long after
[23:27] <RAOF> Oh, hey!  Four finger gestures are working again in Unity!
[23:28] <bryceh> RAOF, I wish instead of pumping so much X config code into gnome-desktop, that they'd made a separate C library to go with libXrandr
[23:28] <bryceh> currently we have duplicate monitor configuration logic in xrandr and in gnome-display-properties (but the former appears to work more reliably)
[23:28] <Sarvatt> RAOF: 4 finger tap for the dash?
[23:29] <seb128> bryceh, ok, I had a look but I don't know how to get a debug log from gnome-desktop
[23:29] <RAOF> Sarvatt: Yah.  The four-finger pinch doesn't seem to trigger scale anymore, though :/
[23:29] <seb128> bryceh, you can run gnome-settings-daemon with --debug to see what the g-s-d code is doing
[23:29] <Sarvatt> sweet, vanhoof was complaining because he lost that upgrading to oneiric
[23:29] <bryceh> seb128, ok thanks; wondered if there was something like that
[23:31] <bryceh> RAOF, oh forgot to mention, I also spoke with keithp; no plans for introducing RANDR 1.4 for xserver 1.12
[23:31] <bryceh> sounds like it's backburnered for a while
[23:32] <bryceh> RAOF, also, Sarvatt and I were talking about 1.11 for P-series and the breakages from lacking multitouch
[23:32] <RAOF> Realistically that sort of thing might want to be backburnered until airlied knows how to split display from rendering.
[23:33] <Sarvatt> unity no workie when the gesture extension isn't available - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/860707
[23:33] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 860707 in unity "Unity crashes when started in an environment without utouch support" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[23:33] <bryceh> RAOF, question that sprang to mind is if switching to 1.11 is going to bring more grief than glee, should we consider scrapping it altogether and just stick with 1.10?  1.11 has bugfixes but I guess the most critical ones we've already backported by now, or gotten in the .4 update.
[23:35] <RAOF> I think that switching to 1.11, assuming that it's not a lot of work for cnd would be the right thing to do.  I think the newer server is more likely to acquire fixes.
[23:36] <RAOF> But I'm not strongly of that opinion.
[23:37] <bryceh> jasoncwarner_, do you have any opinions/direction on this?
[23:38] <jasoncwarner_> bryceh: catching up...
[23:38] <jasoncwarner_> one sec
[23:39] <Sarvatt> the video side of things will be absolutely fine with 1.11 by the start of 12.04
[23:39] <bryceh> jasoncwarner_, basically the situation is that last UDS we planned to update to 1.11 immediately once P-series opens, so we maximize time to stabilize it.  However, right now it looks like doing so is going to bring us major breakages that can't be fixed very rapidly
[23:39] <bryceh> Sarvatt, you mean for proprietary drivers?
[23:40] <Sarvatt> yeah, although I'm not positive about fglrx yet
[23:40] <RAOF> So the other likely breakage is with multitouch.
[23:40] <jasoncwarner_> bryceh: what kind of breakage? can we maintain in PPA for a bit until it stabilizes? I'm thinking latest will get updates (as someone noted above), but breaking platform for everyone for a period of time is bad :(
[23:41] <bryceh> jasoncwarner_, fglrx unusable (must switch to -ati), and the multitouch breakage prevents unity from running.
[23:41] <bryceh> RAOF, does it break unity-2d too?
[23:41] <RAOF> bryceh: I don't know.
[23:42] <RAOF> bryceh: But we wouldn't upload it until the multitouch patches were refreshed for 1.11; either by Chase or us.
[23:42] <RAOF> So this is more "there's some extra work to be done before 1.11 can be uploaded" rather than "there's some unavoidable breakage involved"
[23:43] <jasoncwarner_> bryceh RAOF being foundational, it would be hard to have it be broken for everyone. if we can mitigate, that is ideal
[23:43] <bryceh> so, stay on 1.10 until cnd has a chance to do the refresh?
[23:44] <RAOF> We generally have a couple of days of breakage a cycle.  If that could all be packed into the coupel of days right after the toolchain is bootstrapped, that would affect the fewest people.
[23:44] <bryceh> jasoncwarner_, just as a note, the requirement to get 1.11 right at the start of P-series comes from rickspencer
[23:44] <RAOF> bryceh: Yeah.  Or, I guess, one of us could potentially refresh it, at the cost of higher bug probability. :)
[23:45] <bryceh> jasoncwarner_, so if we're going to break that requirement, maybe you could doublecheck with him that it's acceptable?  The alternative would be to just stay on 1.10 for the lts.
[23:46] <jasoncwarner_> bryceh: no worries...not saying we stay with 1.10, more saying let's be smart about 1.11 if we expect mass breakage. so, if going to 1.11 breaks x for 2 months, would rather not break it for everyone ;) do we have a feel for how bad, how long and to what degree breakage would occur?
[23:47] <RAOF> On the input side, Unity would be broken until the multitouch patches were refreshed.
[23:47] <bryceh> jasoncwarner_, basically it's blocked on getting that multitouch patch update from cnd's team
[23:47] <RAOF> On the video side... Sarvatt knows more, and seems to expect that things would be ready to go.
[23:47] <jasoncwarner_> bryceh: alright, if that is all that is blocking it, seems minor and we have to ask cnd to make it a priority
[23:48] <bryceh> (or on one of us going through and figuring out how to refresh it ourselves, but it's like a 300k set of patches)
[23:48] <RAOF> It's not quite that bad, but it *is* potentially a serious chunk of work.
[23:48] <Sarvatt> an xserver release update typically is only broken for a few hours for people using open source drivers, the worst case is waiting for proprietary video driver updates but that wont be a problem this time around. at most a day or two waiting for alberto to upload the updated ones :)
[23:49] <jasoncwarner_> Sarvatt: yeah, a couple of hours doesn't bother me ;) it is more a case if it is weeks
[23:49] <Sarvatt> you have to upload the server and wait for it to be built/published before you can upload ~80 drivers to build against that, updates are broken in that chunk of time
[23:49] <RAOF> And if we can get those couple of days to be the couple of days after the toolchain is ready, practically no one will notice.
[23:50] <Sarvatt> RAOF: video-vmware is the only open source one that doesn't build against 1.11 btw
[23:50] <RAOF> Oh, it doesn't?  Eh.
[23:51] <RAOF> It probably will by the time we're uploading this stuff :)
[23:51] <Sarvatt> yepyep
[23:51] <Sarvatt> its not exactly essential either, i just removed it from video-all for now
[23:52] <Sarvatt> will talk to alberto tomorrow and see if amd has any dates on when they might have an fglrx ready
[23:52] <Sarvatt> but nvidia will be absolutely fine