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CheeseheadFrom today's meeting00:08
Cheesehead>meetingology ACTION: Cheesehead to manage online leadership tutorial sessions00:08
CheeseheadInitial plan:00:08
Cheesehead1) Refine the list of skills into a list of training topics. Concept: One or two topics per session. Target: 04 OCT 201100:08
Cheesehead2) Recruit trainers and assistants for topics. Track on wiki page. Target: 21 OCT 11 (Delay due to pesky release-distraction)00:08
Cheesehead3) Create session schedule on wiki page. Target: 26 OCT 1100:08
CheeseheadQuestions for feedback:00:08
CheeseheadA) Plan seem unreasonable to anyone?00:08
CheeseheadB) How about the term Leader Skill Workshops? Leader Skill Sessions? Leadership Tutorial Sessions? What is the simplest phrase that gets the message across?00:08
Cheesehead(I would make the timeline sooner, but I'm a bit busy this season)00:09
valorieCheesehead: I would suggest waiting until after UDS00:10
valorieit's a bit crazy until then for almost everybody00:10
Cheeseheadvalorie: UDS doesn't affect me, and 26 OCT lets UDS attendees have a draft to work with00:11
valorieright, not me either, but a lot of our prospective trainers and trainees will be getting ready for release AND UDS00:12
Cheeseheadvalorie: An excellent point. Thank you!00:12
valoriejust a suggestion00:12
CheeseheadThis is why I seek feedback.00:13
* valorie is trying to hack out an agenda template for the chairs00:13
valorienot very good at wiki00:13
CheeseheadThe chairs of future meetings?00:14
valorieI think I'm gonna copy https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeamMeetingAgenda00:14
valorieif you have the agenda template set up right, you can just copy/paste the lines into the channel00:15
valoriecommands already in there00:15
valorierather than trying to remember them all00:15
CheeseheadIndeed.00:16
valorieI was going to do it just for myself, but why not make a template that will make it easier for future chairs?00:17
akgranerThanksto whomever posted the logs00:17
akgraner:-)  I'll send the email to the list now00:17
akgranervalorie, meetingology makes it easy easy00:17
valorieright, I want to get the new commands in there00:18
valoriefor us00:18
akgraneryep did you see the list that popped up when the meeting started with the # in front of them00:18
valorieyes00:18
akgranerthose are the new command00:18
valorieright00:18
akgraneryou don't need to use [topic]  and brackets anymore00:19
valorieexactly00:19
valoriesec, laundry00:19
akgranerWe used to have a template for UW meetings but each chair found it better to use what was easiest for them00:19
akgranerso we had a Chair page for people to use should they choose to00:20
valoriegood idea00:25
valorieI assume that chairing the meeting will pass around so people can get the experience of doing it00:25
CheeseheadI always enjoy the $shuf method of choosing the next chair.00:28
valoriethat's cool if everyone on the list is available00:31
Cheesehead(chomps cigar) They knew the risk when they signed on with the team.00:32
valoriebut in this case, i think people should step up as they feel ready and will be able to attend00:32
CheeseheadAgreed. Good learning opportunity, too.00:32
CheeseheadI can do a future chair.00:33
akgranergoogledoc to track staus of action items  - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtKZelXU8Y2LdFE4MFluMFlVS2duQWkzX2h1VU05ZHc&hl=en_US00:45
akgranervalorie, yep :-) about rotating meeting chair - no one person should have all that fun :-)00:45
bkerensa=/00:47
* bkerensa had no idea meeting was today00:47
akgranerbkerensa, sorry about that it's in the topic :-)  which reminds me I need to update the topic00:50
=== akgraner changed the topic of #ubuntu-leadership to: Topic for #ubuntu-leadership is: Welcome to the Ubuntu Leadership Team - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuLeadership | Mailing List: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-leadership | Meeting Date: Monday, October 24, 2011, at 1800 UTC in #ubuntu-meeting
akgranernotes sent to the list with links - tweeted and dented and FB's and google+'d00:52
akgranerAlso sent Feedback requests to all the leadership councils and boards00:54
valorieDarkwingDuck: ping01:03
DarkwingDuckYay, I have a laptop that works now01:04
valorieweeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!101:04
valoriehave you read the minutes yet?01:04
valoriewe have a job01:04
DarkwingDuckNo not yet01:04
* valorie promises to help01:04
valoriethat's what happens when you skip a meeting!01:05
DarkwingDuckI literally finished installing Kubuntu 3 minutes ago and have had my computer for 25 minutes01:05
valorieyou totally get a JOB01:05
DarkwingDuckakgraner: ping01:05
valorieyou have your priorities in order, sir01:05
DarkwingDuckLOL01:05
DarkwingDuckI used Win7 long enough to figure out if this is a 32 or 64 bit system.01:05
valorie11.04, or .10?01:06
akgranerDarkwingDuck, pong - I so volun-told you in the meeting today :-)01:06
DarkwingDuckakgraner: good.01:06
DarkwingDuck11.1001:06
valorienice01:06
DarkwingDuckI stopped used 11.04 back at alpha 301:06
valorieruns well on my netbook01:06
valorieso far01:06
DarkwingDuckThis is so much better then a netbook. I love this thing.01:07
DarkwingDuckand when I get my SSD tomorrow... It will be epic.01:07
akgranerthings are shaping up - I think the meeting went well today and plans are coming together :-)01:07
DarkwingDuckakgraner: Good. Do you have the long posted somewhere?01:07
DarkwingDuckhow many people?01:07
akgranerhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuLeadership/Meetings/2011/September2601:07
akgranercheck it out - I love meetingology....01:08
akgranerand everyone who just jumps in an gets it done! :-)01:08
akgranerOh shoot that needs to be posted to our forum area01:08
akgranerwhat's the link?01:08
DarkwingDuckhave not setup my email yet LOL01:09
DarkwingDuckI prolly have somewhere around 1500 emails... I'll get to those tomorrow once I get my SSD and get that installed.01:09
DarkwingDuckakgraner: One thing we need to start working on as well....01:09
DarkwingDuckakgraner: building more docs then just the loco handbook.01:10
akgranerI agree01:10
akgranerbut let's finish one thing before we start a bunch and finish nothing01:10
akgraner:-)01:10
DarkwingDuckOne I get my system running correctly (by wednesday) I'll start listing my dreams and ideas.01:11
akgranerlet's get one solid item built to completion...01:11
DarkwingDuck:D01:11
DarkwingDuckBut of course.01:11
akgranerStart a wiki page - WIshlist01:11
akgranerand let people add what all they want to see us create01:11
DarkwingDuckEither that or, work items and blueprints01:11
akgranerI asked for feedback from all the leadership teams and the community today01:12
akgranerI would rather under promise and over deliver than over promise and under deliver01:12
akgranerI mean lets set a goal to get 2 items done this cycle and if we get 7 or more then woo hoo we are superstars01:13
DarkwingDuckWe are so going to have 1 or 2 sessions at UDS01:13
akgranerif we set the goal to get 10 items done and only get 1 then we all feel bad01:13
DarkwingDuckYup01:13
akgranerthat's up to what get's approved01:13
DarwinSurvivorvalorie: Actually live in Surrey, BC but most people only know of Vancouver...01:14
DarkwingDuckIf it's not actualy sessions then they will be pool side sessions after01:14
akgranernot all blueprints get approved - I would create one blueprint then get jono  or jorge to add it to summit01:14
CheeseheadI would recommend a Brainstorm Idea over a wiki page. You get votes, and discussion, and you don;t need to clean it up later.01:14
akgranerwell get it approved by them to be added to summit01:14
DarkwingDuckAfter tomorrow I'll get back into things01:14
akgranerCheesehead, that sometimes freaks people out01:15
akgranerthey just want to add their ideas and not see people vote them down etc01:15
DarkwingDuckWe'll stick to wiki for now.01:15
* Cheesehead curls his moustache. "Curses, foiled again!"01:16
DarkwingDuckLOL01:16
akgranerit sorta brings them down when they think they have a great idea and someone just nacks it....we don't want people to feel like they can't be open with their sharing for fear people will vote them down01:16
akgranerCheesehead, lol01:16
akgraneryou are funny01:16
DarkwingDuckWhy couldn't my SSD show up today.01:17
* DarkwingDuck sighs01:17
Cheeseheadakgraner: As the #1 vote-downer and idea-killer in Brainstrom, I can understand that perspective.01:17
akgraner:-)01:17
DarkwingDuckI don't think I have ever actually used brainstorm.01:17
akgranerI have - I used to review ideas that were technical - but now they are all technical it seems01:17
akgraner:-( so I can't help out very much but I love the idea of it01:18
CheeseheadThey are indeed more technical now.01:18
akgranerand I like knowing the developers look at the ideas now01:18
CheeseheadAs I said, #1 idea-killer.01:18
CheeseheadJust killed three in the last hour.01:18
akgranerand that we report on the ideas in UWN and make people aware that it is there01:18
DarkwingDuckmallard?01:18
* DarkwingDuck sighs01:19
akgranerCheesehead, idea murderer01:19
akgranerGNOME uses mallard01:19
CheeseheadNot murderer. I always route them to a more effective venue, or suggest a more realistic avenue to implementation.01:19
akgranerbut I think we should stick to what the Ubuntu Community is most familiar with and what is the path of least resistance01:19
akgranerCheesehead, oops forgot the ;-) on the end of that01:20
DarkwingDuckYes I know that GNOME uses mallard.01:20
DarkwingDuckand KDE (me) uses DocBook.01:20
* DarkwingDuck chuckles01:20
DarkwingDuckI guess I could learn Mallard for this.01:20
akgranerDocBook is fine with me  - I think it's what most people are familiar with - I just want a class on it at UDS so I can help01:20
akgraner:-P01:21
DarkwingDuckAlthough, with it being a book and not a bunch of changing self documents DocBook would be better suited.01:21
DarkwingDuckYay! I get to port a document to docbook.01:22
DarkwingDuckakgraner: Thanks for chairing the meeting.01:24
akgranerDarkwingDuck, no worries...that's what we do - we are a team...01:29
akgranerDarkwingDuck, I am not sure why that excites you - but please feel me in at UDS...01:29
akgranerfill even01:31
DarkwingDuckakgraner: It's just a todo for me :D01:31
akgranerdoh -01:31
DarkwingDuckI figured that is what you meant... I wansn't sure when you wrote is what you really wanted me to do :P:P01:31
DarkwingDuckwhen/what01:32
akgranerlong day...01:32
akgraner:-)01:32
DarkwingDuckI hear that.01:32
DarkwingDuckOkay, must cook dinner.01:32
* akgraner is going to find my pillow soon - go to the dentist to get a tooth repaired and they broke it01:33
akgraner:-(01:33
DarkwingDuck:(01:33
akgranerso now it's packed with antibotics and temp filling for 2 weeks then they will rebuild it and put a crown on it01:33
DarkwingDuckOh joy01:33
akgranerbut tomorrow I get my new tattoo finished so that will be a good thing01:34
akgraner5 more hours and it's done :-)01:34
DarkwingDuckwoot!01:35
akgranerI'm sure it will be more like ow ow ouch tomorrow though01:36
CheeseheadAny more feedback on the 00:08 UTC discussion - planning for online leadership tutorial sessons, leave it here; I'll read it in my morning01:51
=== Cheesehead is now known as Cheesehead_away
akgranerHere's the forums link - :-) http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=&f=41102:28
akgranerI'll post stuff to there tomorrow - need to find my pillow now though02:28
YoBoYgood morning05:44
* YoBoY need to find a greeting more for every part of the world05:44
head_victimGday works for me ;)07:40
head_victimakgraner: I don't mind chairing meetings if they're around about 0900 - 1300 UTC but can't really commit to anything more than that sorry.07:41
head_victim(I just read scrollback and it looked like you were seeking volunteers)07:41
topylinext one is 180007:51
head_victimHah I'm sure it's a good sign, I got3 or 4 emails from akgraner asking for feedback. Nice coverage ;)07:54
akgranerhead_victim, you must belong to several of the mailing lists that the request was sent to...08:00
head_victimakgraner: yeah, good to see you hit a lot though, might get some good feedback08:01
akgranerhead_victim, yep  - I always ask who wants to chair meetings for teams I am part of.  I think it's important to have that be a rotating position especially when its a group of leaders who are mentoring and offering leadership skills and resources.  We need to demonstrate the skills we want other people to emulate and sharing various roles and giving others the opportunity to learn new tools without fear of failure is important.08:03
akgranerfailure or overly critical criticism08:05
head_victimYep, I must admit the sink or swim approach I ended up taking seems to have worked out for me :)08:05
akgranerIt has me too, but it doesn't work for everyone and creates a since of fear and anxiety for people08:12
akgranerI'd like to ease those feelings for people and help them work through or past those fears08:13
akgranersense not since08:13
head_victimYeah my philosophy has been jump in, figure out what's easy enough for uninitiated people to do and assist them with process information on the basics so they can operator independantly without feeling like they're causing more problems.08:14
akgranernods08:14
head_victimI have a couple of "ToDoList" wiki pages for my LoCo so the team reports, chairing meetings and things liek that can basically be picked up by anyone.08:14
akgranerthat's cool...08:15
head_victimhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Meetings/ToDoList & https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/TeamReports/ToDoList if anyone finds them useful08:15
akgranerspeaking of team reports I need to work with UWN to see where we are and if we are back on track with those reports...08:15
head_victimMakes it easy so when you have enthusiastic people come along looking for stuff to do it's just there and you don't loose them because you had nothing to do.08:17
akgranertotally - makes since...08:18
akgraneryou want constant movement in groups - if not it becomes like stagnant pond water - it just breeds mosquitoes and smells bad...:-)08:19
YoBoYin the uwn it's just a link sometimes to the wiki page of the team reports, no more direct inclusion.08:34
valorieOMG that would be so much easier08:36
valorieI totally fail on stuff like inclusion08:36
YoBoYvalorie: on stuff like what ? inclusion of a wiki page into another wiki page ?08:47
valorieyes08:48
valoriethe monthly reports -- I don't think I've ever done one CORRECTLY08:48
head_victimOh, they're easy once you get the hang of it08:48
valorieI can write a web page, or a wiki page08:48
valoriebut that's beyond me08:48
head_victimWiki's are my thing08:48
valorieso i have someone else post it, then it's done right08:49
YoBoYvalorie: it's easy if you follow the exemples08:51
valorieI believe you08:51
YoBoY^^08:51
valorie....08:51
valorie:-)08:51
YoBoYbut like head_victim wiki's are my think, i'm admin of the french wiki doc :p08:51
YoBoYthing08:52
head_victimI had to sit down and nut it out the first time, but when you understand includes it gets a lot easier.08:52
valorieI've used includes in HTML08:54
valorieperhaps that clouded my brain08:55
head_victimThe team reports was my introduction to includes and searches on wikis08:55
akgranervalorie, there is no wrong way to do one08:55
YoBoYcrap... where is our august frenchteam report :]08:56
akgranerOh folks on the leadership and subsequent documents08:56
head_victimYoBoY: so it's not just me, my team's august has disappeared as well from the searches (it still exists as a page doesn't show in searches)08:57
akgranerDon't say see the leadership team without first recommending they seek help with the governing council08:57
akgranerwe aren't here to take the place of the LoCo Council or Community Council we are here to be a resource for them08:57
akgranerrecommend if they are working with this team that they keep the governing body informed08:58
valorieakgraner: where was that said?08:58
YoBoYhead_victim: I can't find it, it's not me who have done it this time, it's huats, and now I can't see it ¬_¬08:58
akgranerif we recommend us over the governing bodies this can create some hard feelings with other groups in the community08:58
akgranerno worries...08:59
akgranervalorie, someome added to see use over the loco council if a team was having issues08:59
valorieah08:59
akgranerI'm going through and updating the edits to the loco directory handbook09:00
head_victimakgraner: definitely, my understanding is we're ehre to help collaborate with those taking on leadership roles, not to actually provide leadership. Correct?09:00
akgraneryes - we are a resource09:00
valoriehopefully not me -- there was some confusing verbiage which I tried to make simpler, shorter, more clear09:00
valoriea couple of places09:00
akgranerwhile many of us are leaders and provide leadership in many areas of the community we aren't here to replace the councils09:01
akgranervalorie, no worries09:01
akgranerjust wanted to remind people - not pointing fingers or anything09:01
akgranerthere is a lot that needs to be updated when I started that doc the LoCo Council didn't exist yet09:01
akgranervalorie, you're great....again - I wasn't pointing fingers just reminding everyone we need to be aware of stuff like that09:02
valorieI'm assuming quite a few of us are going through it, refining or writing as we go09:03
head_victimI have to keep reminding myself it's not an enGB or enAU locale ;)09:04
valoriehoping is a better word09:04
valorie:-)09:04
akgranervalorie, yep - it will take many edits before it's ready to hit the streets so to say09:22
akgranerYou all have added some really great stuff09:22
akgranerOnce we get all the information in place I will also (if they aren't doing it already) Ask the LoCo Council and Community Council for a review as well...09:22
akgraneras well as Jono and his team09:23
akgranerWe want this to become an "Official" Resource (or at least I believe we would like what we produce to become official resources - so it needs a few other reviews in order for that to happen09:24
akgranerbut this is great - Cheesehead_away, valorie, bkerensa et al you all are rocking!  Thank you - I am even more excited with each edit I see - you can also add comments which I went through and did...09:25
akgranerI'll add comments from now before editing other people's work...but wanted to get it all gone through once09:26
akgranerand it's looking FABULOUS  - thanks everyone....09:27
akgranerMy cheeks are hurting from smiling so much as I was reading everyone's editions...:-)09:28
YoBoYakgraner: for the UWN in the wiki, I think we need "previous uwn - next uwn" navigation links at the top of the pages09:28
akgranerwhich link are you talking about09:28
akgranerwe have the archive page for all past issues09:28
akgranerhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue23409:29
akgranerthis page - if we add headers like that to it - it will break the scripts unless we manually add it after it's produced09:30
YoBoYhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue232 << for example, I have to go to the archive page each time to jump to the next or the previous edition, with 2 links at the top of the page I can read each edition without going each time to the archive list09:30
akgranerI can see what we can do....09:30
YoBoYit's just an idea09:30
akgranerI am not opposed - just need to make sure we don't break scrips.. pleia2 could you see about that - I think it would be an easy enough thing to add after production09:31
akgranerYoBoY, I like the suggestion :-)09:32
akgraneras usual..you have well thought out ideas...I like that!09:32
topyliknome is interested in the logo job09:33
YoBoYwe use that on our french wiki to link each ubuntu version pages, it's really usefull09:33
knomehello09:34
knomei was told by topyli that you need a logo09:34
akgranerknome, welcome!  Yeppers we sure do09:35
knomedo you have any ideas about it, or should i just start sketching anything? :)09:35
akgranermeets brandign guidelines and says invokes ideas of leadership when looked upon09:36
akgranerwish I had more to tell you to go on09:36
* akgraner is not a design person :-(09:36
topyliknome: the team has an idea, which can be an inspiration. bringing together experienced and new ubuntu leaders to learn from each other09:36
akgraner+109:36
knomemm-hmm09:36
akgranertopyli, pefect description09:36
topyliof course, it's yours afaik. on the wiki page :)09:37
akgraner:-)09:37
akgraneryep but I can't think this early in the morning09:38
valoriesymbols of leadership -- a gavel?09:38
topylia whip?09:38
knomedo you want something what is mostly used as is, or with the wordmark?09:38
valoriebadge of office09:38
valorieheh, whip09:38
valoriecrown09:38
topylimaybe not a whip :)09:39
valoriethose I think we don't want09:39
akgranerhmmm  - I like how Ubuntu Women uses both a symbol and the words09:39
akgraneror they can be used separate09:39
akgranercan we do something like that09:39
akgraners/they/that09:39
akgranertopyli, what do you think?09:40
valoriekey09:40
valoriea key could be cool09:40
=== Cheesehead_away is now known as Cheesehead
Cheesehead+1 key09:40
topyliakgraner: it would be nice if it worked with or without the words09:40
valoriea key in the circle of friends would be nice09:41
knomeough! the ubuntu-women.com sports the old style logo09:41
topylihere's the real one: http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Resources09:41
valorieknome: we're waiting on the webteam to change stuff over, afaik09:41
knomekey pointing to the center of the CoF or away from it?09:41
akgranerhttp://blog.ubuntu-women.org/09:41
knomevalorie, a-ha :)09:41
valoriewe've been waiting awhile.....09:41
knomeright ;)09:42
knomedid you recently poke the IS?09:42
knomethey've been quite responsive lately09:42
akgranerno we incorpated the new look with our symbol09:42
valoriepleia2 did I believe09:42
knomeokay09:42
knomei'll ask her then09:42
akgranersee logo on the blog link I just posted09:42
knomeyup09:43
CheeseheadI recommend key pointing away.09:43
akgranercogs and gears work to as symbols09:43
knomedo you like how the "women" is aligned with "ubuntu" ?09:43
akgranervalorie, but I like your key idea09:44
topylii'm not sure if i care for the dashes in the end of - women -09:44
akgranerI like the alignment09:44
akgranerI think that was to even things out when printed on letterhead and stuff - and make it look elegant on printed things09:45
knometopyli, len( leadership ) > len( women ), so we might not need those09:45
topyliindeed the word is much longer09:46
valorieugh, 3 am approacheth09:47
valorieniters all09:47
akgranervalorie, I am glad you suggested key the more I think about it the more I like it and I think it will work well with current branding guidelines09:47
knomenight valorie09:47
akgranernight valorie thanks for all your help!09:47
akgranerknome, thank you!09:47
knomenp09:48
valorieakgraner: when I went to Switzerland we got room keys, for old-fashioned Swiss locks that were so awesome09:48
akgranertopyli, thanks for linking everyone up...09:48
topylino trouble at all09:48
valorieall my valuables were downstairs, but I locked my room just for the sheer joy of using the key09:48
valorie:-)09:48
akgranerthis is so exciting :-)09:48
knome"Ubuntu Leadership Team" or "Ubuntu Leadership" ?09:48
akgranerI like Ubuntu Leadership09:49
valorieme too09:49
knomeoki!09:49
valorieshorter, simpler09:49
akgranerI think people will understand we are a team09:49
topylieverything is a team anyway09:49
topyliyes09:49
akgranerand if not we need to market ourselves better09:49
knomeuhhuh09:52
knome"leaders hip"09:52
knomeO:)09:52
akgranerhehe...09:52
knomedesign.canonical.com is slow :(09:55
knomehttp://spreadubuntu.org/files/pict7005.png09:57
knomedo you like the gpg key style on the left bottom?09:57
* akgraner looks09:58
topylii envisioned something like this when valorie said 'key': http://www.hem-of-his-garment-bible-study.org/images/old-key.jpg09:58
topylithe gpg key is modern09:59
knomeyeah, i was thinking about several alternatives09:59
knomei'm not sure how well that old-key will work on small sizes09:59
knomeespecially if you incorporate lots of detail09:59
akgranertopyli, yep that's what I was thinking to - leadership is timeless so the key could be old style with the modern branding10:00
knomeright10:00
knomei'll get started with that kind of key then!! :)10:00
akgranerknome, thanks for trying it with that style10:01
knomeno problems10:01
akgranerI hope it will work10:01
topylimore beer for knome!10:01
akgranerif not we know we have some options10:01
akgranerknome, will you be at UDS?10:01
knomeakgraner, nope10:01
akgraner:-( I was going to say the first beer or 6 would be on me10:02
knomeheh10:02
knometopyli can take care of that :P10:02
topylii already owe him a few from some eariler thing :)10:02
YoBoYI don't understand the relation with a key, it's for a "key person" ?10:02
topylimight as well make it a proper night out!10:02
akgraner:-) ok - let me know if you want me to contribute to the knome beer fund...10:02
topyliYoBoY: i somehow intuitively associated it with problem solving10:04
akgranergood leadership unlocks much potential10:04
topylithat too10:04
akgranerwith good leadership skills being taught those skills unlock a world of possibility - also keys can lock things to keep out those negative habits  that are harmful to teams10:05
akgraneroh I can so write up a back story on why a key is an important symbol :-) this is fun - I'll work on that this week so the team can review it10:06
head_victimThe key idea is brilliant10:06
akgranersymbolism can be a great motivator as well10:06
akgranerI can't design and image but I can write about it's importance :-)10:08
akgraners/and/am10:08
akgraneran even10:08
akgranerdang it10:08
akgranerI can't type this morning10:08
topyliwell it *is* morning, nuff said10:08
YoBoYyes I can associate lot of leadership ideas with the word key, but this is not these ideas who came first when I look at a key symbol. It's just my first impression10:09
CheeseheadWell, a Google Image search for 'leadership' turned up a lot of trash.10:17
CheeseheadIn the US, Army officer cadets have a 'leadership' symbol made up of three icons: A sword, a helmen (tradition), and a lamp (knowledge).10:18
CheeseheadNo single icon for 'leadership' there10:18
CheeseheadLighthouse?10:19
CheeseheadI still like key.10:19
CheeseheadScanning Google Image results, the most common are pyramid and lighthouse. I don't know if those send the right message for a collaborative community.10:20
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knomehttp://temp.knome.fi/ubuntuleadership/ul-draft-1.png10:25
DarwinSurvivorwhat about a torch?11:02
knomeimplies that the team members are lots11:02
knome*lost11:03
knome? :P11:03
DarwinSurvivoryou don't have to be lost to need a torch11:03
DarwinSurvivorit's the only real "symbol" I can think of for leadership11:05
DarwinSurvivorwhen a leader step down for instance, it's said that they are "passing on the torch"11:06
head_victimknome: that looks great, would it be hard to do a version with the key going itno the circle just to compare?11:13
knomehead_victim, nope, i'll get back to that in a sec11:13
knomeis at http://temp.knome.fi/ubuntuleadership/ul-draft-2.png11:21
head_victimI like that11:21
knomeprobably should align the key so that it's tip would look like being more to the center11:21
knome== http://temp.knome.fi/ubuntuleadership/ul-draft-3.png11:24
knomei think i like that more too, it's more balanced11:24
knomeit's a bit weird that key goes inside-out, is it?11:24
head_victimHm I think I prefer draft 2 but I'm not in any way an artist or marketer11:25
knomeyeah, well, the #3 is kind of out of the symmetry, but the key tip area looks way better11:26
knome(that is to say, the inside of the CoF is in better symmetry)11:26
head_victimAnd it's not viable to rotate the circle of friends to fit draft 3 I don't think (isn't it against the rules?)11:26
knomewhat has changes is the angle on how the key enters the CoF11:27
knomerotating wouldn't help11:27
knome*changed11:27
knomein #2, the key is "splitting" the CoF in half, in #3, the other side would be larger11:28
knome(the left side gets more pie!)11:28
akgranerknome, LOOKS AWESOME11:34
akgraneroops cap lock11:34
akgranerI think 1 is my fav...but we can call for a team vote soon enough :-)11:35
akgranerknome, you're awesome!11:35
knome:)11:35
knomesure, np11:35
akgranerbbiab11:35
knomeand we can of course revise them too11:35
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Cheeseheadphilipballew: Did you figure out how you want to pitch in?15:27
philipballewCheesehead, not sure, what here is needed?15:27
CheeseheadI look at it the other way 'round. In a perfect world, what would you get the greatest enjoyment doing?15:28
akgranerphilipballew, I have an idea but you may not want to do it b/c it will be kinda tedious15:29
philipballewwell I am a full time college student so i do have a full plate, but lay it on me and ill tell you15:30
akgranerbut if you see the list of skills page we have - I was going to work on this a little each night - but if you could search the internet for those topics and links to those skills that we could modify an link back to or just use to point people to that would be great15:30
akgranerI was just going to pick 2 skil sets a night and find resources on them15:30
akgraneryou don't have to modify them or anything just find some links that seem to be a good fit (for now)15:31
akgranerand you won't have to do them all  - I'll set up a spread sheet and we can just add stuff from there15:32
akgranerI'll help ya out15:32
akgranerlike I said kinda tendious to find them - but you'll learn a lot (I know I do) when I do things like that15:33
akgranerI think I scared him off15:34
akgraner:-(15:34
philipballewi can do attempt that. I'm swamped with aboyt 8 hours of hw plus 6 hours of classes for this week, but thursday or friday i can15:34
akgranerno hurry - slow and steady on this one15:34
akgranerI'll make sure I have the spread sheet set up by them15:35
akgranerthen even15:35
akgraner:-)15:35
Cheeseheadakgraner: Did you ever read The Phantom Tollbooth?15:35
akgranerno why?15:35
CheeseheadAh, then I won't tell the relevant joke.15:35
akgranerare there cliffnotes?  If not I barely have time to read what I write much less what other people write atm :-)15:36
akgranerI make exceptions for what people in the Ubuntu Community write :-)  that's sorta required reading for me15:36
CheeseheadNo, no. That's the kind of book you must actually read. Worth reading on general principles, of course, but not for one joke.15:37
philipballewakgraner, no, i can do it :) I just will be working from about 7am to 1 am all this week, but can at least look at it15:37
philipballewand do it say Thursday or Friday afternoon15:39
akgranerok that will work but please don't kill yourself over it...15:39
philipballewI wont, dont worry. also I liked your ubuntu in college article15:41
philipballewhit home akgraner :)15:43
akgranerThanks! :-)  I bet...Lupine is awesome....15:44
* Cheesehead is editing the Projects wiki page15:47
philipballewI use Ubuntu, I dont really tell other people to or am one of those people with a tally of the number of people they've "converted" but I use it in a public setting all the time15:47
philipballewmost people in college use OSX15:48
philipballewakgraner, is ubuntu leadership gonna be a place or requirement for every leader?15:53
Cheeseheadphilipballew: The current goal is 'No'15:54
CheeseheadWe are here to help, not to be a hindrance.15:55
CheeseheadWe support, we are not required.15:55
philipballewseems smart. I'm not a leader in anything Ubuntu15:55
CheeseheadDoes that answer the question?15:55
philipballewyes it does15:55
CheeseheadThat's what happens when we both type quickly...15:56
Cheeseheadphilipballew: Do you know what you need to know to lead a team?15:56
philipballewyeah15:57
* Cheesehead laughs15:58
akgranerphilipballew, but the fact that you want to help, you are a quick study and want to learn and share what you learn makes you a great candidate for leadership of any kind15:58
CheeseheadThen you don't need us!15:58
philipballewironically enough Im working on homework now for a class called principles of management right now15:58
akgranerManagers often know how to Boss but not lead...15:59
philipballewthats exactly what were learning not to do15:59
philipballewits cool, were learning that you need to be able to not just tell someone what to do, but make them want to within themselves15:59
CheeseheadNice.16:00
CheeseheadMotivating is an important piece of the puzzle, all right.16:01
philipballewI think its about time for me to get some breakfast.16:02
CheeseheadNow *I* scared him away.16:05
charlie-tcahm, breakfast seems to do that16:14
CheeseheadSo I am breakfast? That would explain much...16:16
charlie-tca:)16:29
* Cheesehead takes a break from progress on the Projects wiki page16:58
bkerensahmm17:06
YoBoYquestion : which locos here are keeping a checklist of the achievements and TODOs for each cycles (or year)  for the team?17:11
bkerensaYoBoY: Good question.... idk17:12
YoBoYI haven't thinked about it before, but since our reapproval last year I'm updating this checklist because I add a hard time finding all the informations to do the reapproval. What my team have done before i'm in charge is not so easy to discover ^^". So I think it can be a good practice to make this type of list for each locos. Devs teams and others are already doing that for each cycles, they fix goals, write blueprints to go with them and che17:17
YoBoYck the progress17:17
YoBoY(i had)17:18
CheeseheadYoBoY: What about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/TeamApprovalGuidelines ?19:41
YoBoYCheesehead: this page is fine, it's just expectations, not best practices to achieve that. Each team have to find it's own way. The guide in progress is also recipes to help20:17
YoBoYbut keep in mind my team existed before all off these loco pages20:18
NRWlionhey there everybody20:30
NRWlionwhats up in the www?20:30
CheeseheadNRWlion: It's raining.20:53
NRWlionhey cheese20:54
CheeseheadHey.20:55
NRWlioni will reply on the mails of akgraner regarding the leadership thing20:55
CheeseheadWonderful.20:55
NRWlionthat is really my stuff and i feel like a kind of "expert" in this case20:55
CheeseheadHave you conributed to the skill list?20:56
CheeseheadOr the LoCo leader handbook?20:56
NRWlionCheesehead: i am just home after 13hrs of work and 1 Live Session with a professional Emergency Response Uni20:57
NRWlionUnit20:57
CheeseheadOuch20:57
CheeseheadI meant "in general"20:57
CheeseheadNot 'Immediately'20:57
NRWlionCheesehead: as i said i will try to have a look into it20:58
CheeseheadThanks.20:58
NRWlionbut my RL needs my attention20:58
* Cheesehead adds the first seven IRC session topics to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuLeadership/Projects#Skill_and_Trainer_List21:15
CheeseheadTrainers! Trainers! Looking for trainers for the first seven topics!21:16
CheeseheadSee them at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuLeadership/Projects#Skill_and_Trainer_List21:16
CheeseheadIf you know the subject, add yourself as a Trainer.21:16
CheeseheadIf you are interested but uncomfortable leading, add yourself as an Assistant.21:16
* Cheesehead wanders off to compose an e-mail to the list21:17
charlie-tcaLooks like I need to attend some of those sessions21:17
* Cheesehead sent the announcement to the e-mail list22:28
* philipballew checks email22:32

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