[08:09] <amithkk> So, this is the place where it happens.
[08:13] <IdleOne> no, this is where they talk about how to make it happen
[08:13] <IdleOne> it happens in other places.
[08:20] <valorie> unless you skip the meeting, in which case you are the one *appointed* to make it happen
[08:20] <valorie> :-)
[08:21] <head_victim> amithkk: yep, the Membership meeting is in about 90 minutes
[08:25] <IdleOne> valorie: this is why I make sure to attend all meetings so I can make sure nothing gets "appointed" to me :P
[08:32] <valorie> :-)
[08:38] <amithkk> head_victim: so, my meeting starts at 3:30PM. Really looking forward
[08:38] <head_victim> amithkk: good to see, sometimes applicants forget to show up :)
[08:41] <amithkk> head_victim: they do that?
[08:41] <amithkk> INKT
[09:23] <czajkowski> was there a A/O meeting ?
[09:25] <elky> in half an hour I believe
[09:25] <head_victim> Yep
[09:27] <czajkowski> just checking so it starts on time :)
[09:27] <ManjotSingh> hi
[09:29] <amithkk> head_victim: hey, isnt there a membership meeting
[09:29] <ManjotSingh> May I  know what is going on here?
[09:29] <head_victim> amithkk: yep, it's due in 30 mins so the other members can arrive
[09:29] <amithkk> meeting
[09:30] <amithkk> (that was for ManjotSingh)
[09:50] <amithkk> 10 mins left
[09:56] <Destine> waiting for the meeting now.
[09:57] <head_victim> Anyone else here from the Asia/Oceania Membership Board?
[09:57] <head_victim> Gday Destine
[09:57] <Destine> head_victim, hey.
[09:58] <amithkk> waiting...
[09:58] <amithkk> hello Destine
[09:58] <Destine> amithkk, hi. I am reading your wiki page.
[09:58] <elky> o/
[09:59] <head_victim> persia, lifeless & freeflying, you around?
[10:00] <elky> ejat?
[10:00] <amithkk> is there some quorom or something
[10:00] <head_victim> elky:  he sent an email to the list a few minutes ago saying family issues just arose
[10:00] <elky> amithkk, yes
[10:00] <head_victim> amithkk: yep, need one more at the moment from my reckoning.
[10:02] <amithkk> is there any alloted "time" for a meeting?
[10:02] <head_victim> Yep, it was meant to start about 2 minutes ago, so it might just be that they're straggling
[10:04] <amithkk> i mean, like is there a time limit (say 1 hour
[10:04] <elky> yes, 1 hour.
[10:06] <Destine> I think we need at least one more member.
[10:06]  * ejat here .. 
[10:06] <amithkk> so, all members arr part of the "Board"
[10:06] <head_victim> Welcome back ejat
[10:07] <amithkk> \o ejat
[10:07] <Destine> that's great.
[10:07] <head_victim> amithkk: no the board members are listed here - https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-membership-board-asia-oceania/+members
[10:07] <ejat> head_victim: i manage to postpone a bit to attend the meeting then might go after finish with the meeting
[10:07] <head_victim> ejat: nice work
[10:07] <head_victim> Anyone want a go at chairing?
[10:07] <ejat> shall we start ?
[10:08] <amithkk> yes
[10:08] <amithkk> (If im supposed to answer)
[10:09] <elky> head_victim, i'm really laggy tonight, sorry
[10:09] <head_victim> I don't mind doing it, Destine or ejat did you want a turn or happy to let me chair?
[10:09] <Destine> head_victim, please.
[10:09] <head_victim> #startmeeting
[10:09] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Sep 27 10:09:44 2011 UTC.  The chair is head_victim. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.
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[10:09] <ejat> :)
[10:10] <head_victim> So we have quorum, nice work
[10:10] <amithkk> Great!
[10:10] <head_victim> Has everyone had a chance to look over the application listed at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/AsiaOceania ?
[10:10] <elky> head_victim, yep
[10:10] <Destine> head_victim, yes.
[10:11] <Destine> head_victim, and already prepared questions.
[10:11] <head_victim> #topic Amith KK's Ubuntu Membership Application
[10:11] <head_victim> amithkk: can you please introduce yourself to us a little bit thanks.
[10:11] <amithkk> Yes,
[10:12] <amithkk> But im not sure how to "introduce" :)
[10:12] <head_victim> Just a line or two of who you are, where you're from and how you contribute to the community
[10:13] <amithkk> My name is Amith, from Bangalore,India. I'm a ubuntu user and supporter. I contribute to the community by answering and Asking questions on AskUbuntu, I also make posts on 2buntu as "Amith"
[10:13] <ejat> amithkk: ?
[10:14] <head_victim> Ok, Destine if you have prepared questions did you want to lead off?
[10:14] <ejat> a part of AskUbuntu .. what else u do ?
[10:15] <Destine> amithkk, do you mind to tell us something about 2buntu?
[10:15] <amithkk> Yes,
[10:15] <amithkk> 2buntu is a community freestyle blog , make by Roland Taylor. I't covers all topics ubuntu and also debunks myths
[10:16] <amithkk> I spread the word of ubuntu near my locality, and install updates and maintain my friend's installs
[10:17] <amithkk> ok..?
[10:17] <Destine> amithkk, i see. in what way do you think 2buntu helps users or potential users?
[10:18] <amithkk> it helps to show users the way to customize their ubuntu as well as encouraging possible users. We also write why windows is not the only choice
[10:19] <Destine> amithkk, thx.
[10:19] <head_victim> amithkk: Are you involved with any other Ubuntu projects?
[10:19] <amithkk> currently, no
[10:19] <head_victim> Ah ok, have you tried contact with your LoCo at all?
[10:19] <ejat> amithkk: are u invovle with local ubuntu group / event ?
[10:19] <amithkk> no, not yet
[10:19] <ejat> s/invovle/involve
[10:20] <amithkk> I just recently found out about LoCo
[10:20] <elky> amithkk, can you show us a collection of your posts on ubun2? I've only found 1 with the search.
[10:20] <elky> 2buntu, sorry.
[10:20] <amithkk> few of them were deleted due to a server crash
[10:21] <amithkk> I have also added the common myths page
[10:22] <amithkk> http://www.2buntu.com/myths/ubuntu-myths-busted/]
[10:23] <amithkk> we are working on a combined article on the Secure boot and its prevention
[10:23] <ejat> guys .. any other Q ?
[10:23] <elky> ejat, nope, i'm ready to vote.
[10:23] <Destine> ejat, no.
[10:23] <head_victim> Ok when I call the vote, only board members vote please
[10:24] <head_victim> #vote Amith KK's Ubuntu Membership
[10:24] <meetingology> Please vote on: Amith KK's Ubuntu Membership
[10:24] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[10:24] <IdleOne> may i ask a question?
[10:24] <head_victim> IdleOne: sure
[10:24] <IdleOne> amithkk: I was wondering what plans or goals you might have to further help the ubuntu community?
[10:24] <IdleOne> aside from what you already do I mean :)
[10:25] <amithkk> I want to complete the Neo OS , which is basically a Ubuntu Remaster with multiple DE's working
[10:25] <IdleOne> ok, thank you.
[10:25] <head_victim> -1 I'd like to see more sustained activity and some more involvement. Things like testimonials from others would help as evidence as well.
[10:25] <meetingology> -1 I'd like to see more sustained activity and some more involvement. Things like testimonials from others would help as evidence as well. received from head_victim
[10:26] <Destine> -1
[10:26] <meetingology> -1 received from Destine
[10:26] <ejat> -1 i like to see more contribution a part what he has done now ..
[10:26] <meetingology> -1 i like to see more contribution a part what he has done now .. received from ejat
[10:26] <elky> -1 Nice start, but more time and significant activities would be good.
[10:26] <meetingology> -1 Nice start, but more time and significant activities would be good. received from elky
[10:26] <elky> Sorry :(
[10:27] <amithkk> :) no probs
[10:27] <head_victim> #endvote
[10:27] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Amith KK's Ubuntu Membership
[10:27] <meetingology> Votes for:0 Votes against:4 Abstentions:0
[10:27] <meetingology> Motion denied
[10:27] <IdleOne> amithkk: get involved with your LoCo :)
[10:27] <ejat> amithkk: plz do takes this as advise ..
[10:27] <amithkk> ok ejat IdleOne
[10:27] <Destine> amithkk, you really should try to do more.
[10:27] <ejat> good to have u ... and nice start as mention by elky ..
[10:28] <elky> You seem to have an ok grasp on english, so maybe translations would be fun for you :)
[10:28] <amithkk> and i know hindi too
[10:28] <amithkk> and kannada
[10:28] <amithkk> :D
[10:28] <ejat> amithkk: maybe u can do mo advocating / awareness in your school @ neighbourhood :)
[10:28] <IdleOne> amithkk: a good thing would be more detail about your contributions on your wiki.
[10:28] <elky> I know I love to see lots of translations on applications.
[10:28] <Destine> amithkk, and as IdleOne said, get along with LoCo.
[10:28] <amithkk> ejat:  I did
[10:29] <ejat> yeah .. do some translation might be a good too
[10:29] <elky> amithkk, point directly to articles. Even if you have to use the archive.org waybackmachine
[10:29] <amithkk> we had a robots.txt :d
[10:29] <elky> google has some of your stuff cached too i suspect. search for "amith site:2buntu.com"
[10:30] <ejat> amithkk: do updates your wiki then u retry to apply for membership ... no need to rush ... take time ... we always welcome u here :)
[10:30] <IdleOne> amithkk: Please take what we are saying as advice and not as complaints. The work you have done so far is good, keep it up but more Ubuntu specific/LoCo work would be awesome.
[10:30] <elky> robots.txt should still let search engines in, or the site will not get much love
[10:30] <amithkk> IdleOne: Ok no worries
[10:30] <amithkk> Anyways to tell the truth, I didn't think id get it
[10:31] <Destine> amithkk, keep up your good work and come back later. I wish I will still be on board when you return.
[10:31] <amithkk> I was just involved for 2 years
[10:31] <ejat> Destine: :)
[10:31] <amithkk> Destine: \o/
[10:32] <ejat> :)
[10:32] <Destine> ejat, elky has been a member since i was the interviewee.
[10:32] <amithkk> WOW
[10:32]  * ejat think i need to go ... any other issue wanna tor raise ? 
[10:32] <ejat> Destine: me too ...
[10:33] <Destine> elky, you indeed are an experienced member.
[10:33] <head_victim> #topic follow up last meeting
[10:33] <ejat> luckily have time to meet her personally :)
[10:33] <elky> Destine, I remember that :)
[10:33] <head_victim> Just so it can be logged, I did email all the previous applicants before removing them from the wiki. So hopefully they will reapply again shortly.
[10:33] <ejat> head_victim: i think u manage to clean up the wiki pages ... nice job n thanks a lot
[10:33] <head_victim> Can anyone volunteer to write the report for this meeting and email the ML of the result?
[10:34] <amithkk> Umm.. Can i be logged in in the channel
[10:34] <head_victim> ejat: was a pleasure, wiki's are my thing
[10:35] <head_victim> amithkk: what do you mean logged in?
[10:35]  * ejat really need to go ... im really sorry guys ..... to amithkk .. good luck in the futures ... thanks Destine , head_victim , n elky .. i really need to go ... 
[10:35] <head_victim> #endmeeting
[10:35] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Sep 27 10:35:10 2011 UTC.
[10:35] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-09-27-10.09.moin.txt
[10:35] <amithkk> meaning... can i stay here
[10:35] <elky> ejat, thanks for being here :)
[10:35] <head_victim> I'll let ejat go, if someone doesn't get to do the write up I will make some time tomorrow night to do it
[10:35] <ejat> elky: welcome ..
[10:35] <IdleOne> A/O members, hope I did not step on any toes with my question and comments :)
[10:35] <Destine> amithkk, if you wish.
[10:35] <head_victim> amithkk: you're welcome here as long as you like, a lot of different teams have meetings here, you might find one you'd like to assist with
[10:36] <ejat> IdleOne: i dont think so ..
[10:36] <Destine> ejat, bye~
[10:36] <head_victim> IdleOne: I wasn't sure if you meant you had questions for the applicant or just in general, but it worked out either way int he end.
[10:36] <amithkk> Wait... i can ask questions in other meetings?
[10:37] <amithkk> cool
[10:37] <head_victim> amithkk: some meetings are more strict on timeframes that others
[10:37] <head_victim> So just be mindful that if they have a lot to get through interruptions mightn't be helpful.
[10:37] <IdleOne> amithkk: yes. I like to ask permission first to make sure it is ok.
[10:37] <Destine> amithkk, of course, as long as it won't interrupt.
[10:39] <Destine> so, i am leaving for dinner then. Good bye head_victim elky.
[10:40] <elky> enjoy your dinner Destine, bye :)
[10:40] <head_victim> Destine: thanks for coming in, enjoy yourself
[10:40] <amithkk> Wow
[10:40] <amithkk> The mobile team meething
[10:46] <amithkk> head_victim: you might wanna edit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/AsiaOceania
[10:48] <head_victim> amithkk: yep, in the coming day or two your line will disappear and the next meeting time/date will be updated
[10:51] <amithkk> next 2buntu member for ubuntu membership will be jrgifford form the Americas board
[15:59] <Daviey> o/
[15:59] <lynxman> hey Daviey o/
[15:59] <Daviey> smoser: hello!
[15:59] <Daviey> Are you chairing?
[16:00] <smoser> o/
[16:00] <zul> hi
[16:00] <smb>  /o\
[16:00] <RoAkSoAx> o/
[16:00] <jamespage> o/
[16:01] <Daviey> smoser: lets go
[16:01] <smoser> i did last week
[16:02] <smoser> remember? record length meeting ?
[16:02] <Daviey> smoser: But you forgot to update the agenda?
[16:02] <smoser> i'd like to to see SpamapS *try* to beat that.
[16:02] <Daviey> In which case, utlemming are you the cook today?
[16:02] <smoser> reload
[16:03] <Daviey> utlemming: are you here?
[16:04] <Ursinha> o/
[16:04] <utlemming> yup I am
[16:04] <Daviey> utlemming: are you happy to chair?
[16:04] <Daviey> Ursinha / rbasak: we need to add you to the chair cycle.
[16:04] <utlemming> Daviey: yes sir, just pulling up the agenda now
[16:05] <Ursinha> Daviey, go for it
[16:05] <Daviey> It's sparse.
[16:05] <smoser> [ACTION] hggdh and SpamapS to discuss SRU verification work for bug 750371 at next meeting or before
[16:05] <smoser> thats the only action from last meeting
[16:06] <utlemming> #startmeeting
[16:06] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Sep 27 16:06:09 2011 UTC.  The chair is utlemming. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.
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[16:06] <utlemming>  [TOPIC] Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[16:07] <AlanBell> hmm
[16:07] <AlanBell> utlemming: I think the space before [topic] might be the issue there
[16:07] <utlemming> yeah....
[16:07] <utlemming> #meetingtopic Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[16:08] <Daviey> Spamaps couldn't be here. hggdh should hopefully be here later, lets carry it to later in the meeting
[16:08] <utlemming> lol...
[16:08] <utlemming> #topic Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[16:08] <utlemming> #subtopic Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[16:09] <utlemming> [TOPIC] Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[16:09]  * hggdh gets in meeting now
[16:09] <utlemming> okay, so from the previous meeting, it doesn't look like there is any follow up
[16:09] <utlemming> does anyone have anything from it?
[16:09] <Daviey> hggdh: ah, can you comment?
[16:11] <hggdh> I have not seen it yet -- was pretty much out for the beginning of last week, and then we have beta 2
[16:11] <Daviey> utlemming: perhaps hggdh is having net troubles, lets come back.
[16:11] <smoser> reload the page, utlemming
[16:11] <smoser> there was a action item there (that i updated like 32 seconds ago)
[16:12] <utlemming> ah, thank you kindly smoser
[16:12] <hggdh> I will look at it this afternoon -- seems to be not difficult to set up
[16:12] <utlemming> the prior action was hggdh and SpamapS to discuss SRU verification work for bug 750371 at next meeting or before
[16:12] <Daviey> utlemming should have known that.
[16:12] <Daviey> hggdh: okay, can you sync up with Clint soon?
[16:12] <hggdh> Daviey: yes, will do
[16:13] <Daviey> super!
[16:13] <Daviey> utlemming: next?
[16:13] <utlemming> #action hggdh and SpamapS to discuss SRU verification work for bug 750371 at next meeting or before
[16:13] <meetingology> ACTION: hggdh and SpamapS to discuss SRU verification work for bug 750371 at next meeting or before
[16:13] <utlemming> #topic Oneiric Development
[16:13] <utlemming> Daviey: how is Oneiric moving along?
[16:13] <Daviey> Dandy!
[16:14] <Daviey> We don't have that many knowns still to deal with
[16:14] <Daviey> I would like to run through them
[16:14] <Daviey> bug 655533, needs someone to work on it
[16:14] <Daviey> install likewise-open on natty, and do an upgrade test to oneiric
[16:14] <Daviey> any volunteers?
[16:15] <utlemming> I took an initial look at it, but was unable to replicate it.
[16:15] <Daviey> nobody?
[16:16] <jamespage> Daviey: lemme take a look at it
[16:16] <Daviey> Okay, i'll take that to..
[16:16] <Daviey> ok, great jamespage to the rescue!
[16:16] <utlemming> #action jamespage to look at bug 655533
[16:16] <meetingology> ACTION: jamespage to look at bug 655533
[16:16] <Daviey> bug 801494, is blocked on the udev bug
[16:16] <Daviey> we think it might be the same issue
[16:16] <Daviey> We could try adam_g's or hallyn's hack fix.. to prove it
[16:17] <hallyn> mine is not for the more general udev bug, only for vgchange hangs during boot
[16:17] <Daviey> ah
[16:17] <hallyn> i've not been able to deduce a cause for the udev hang
[16:17] <hallyn> that one has no lvm portion to it
[16:17] <smoser> i've reproduce bug 833783 with an additional 'udevadm settle'.
[16:17] <hallyn> and it's heisenbug from hell
[16:17] <Daviey> jamespage: would you be able to sync with adam to try to reproduce it with a sleep()?
[16:18] <smoser> basically, we *know* that the fix suggested only reduces the window for error.
[16:18] <jamespage> Daviey: yep
[16:18] <hallyn> right i'm not happy with papering over
[16:18] <smoser> adam_g, verified that 'udevadm --exit' drops events.
[16:18] <Daviey> smoser: Yep, but if we can prove it's the same issue - we are happy.
[16:18] <hallyn> can we get some jhunt help this week?
[16:19] <Daviey> hallyn: he is looking at it today
[16:19] <hallyn> awesome!
[16:19] <jamespage> \o/
[16:19] <Daviey> I have raised it as a prioritty issue.
[16:19] <smoser> Daviey, just to clarify, you're suggesting that adding 'sleep X' in a race condition would "prove" something :)
[16:19] <Daviey> smoser: I'm suggesting that it proves it to be the same bug.
[16:20] <smoser> i dont think so.
[16:20] <Daviey> smoser: Do you disagree that is the best action?
[16:20] <smoser> i dont knwo what it would buy us
[16:20] <smoser> seriously.
[16:20] <smoser> it would mean that we know that timing changes things
[16:20] <smoser> which we know
[16:20] <rbasak> and as we speak I just hit it again :-/
[16:21] <jamespage> OK - I have a system I can reproduce that but 100% of the time on - lemme catchup with adam_g and jhunt to see what the best way forwards is
[16:21] <smoser> i'm not *just* being a jerk.
[16:21] <smoser> i'm serious
[16:21] <Daviey> smoser: Okay.. i disagree.. if we can work around it in a development enviroment, to prove it is the same issue, we can mark it as a dupe.
[16:21] <Daviey> Then we can move on, and verify once jhunt has done his magic.
[16:22] <Daviey> smoser: Rather than saying we are doing it wrong, suggestions for an action are more constructive.
[16:22] <Daviey> It seems cheap to reproduce it with the sleep hack.
[16:22] <hallyn> Daviey: it's not smoser's fault there isn't a better answer for now :)
[16:22] <smoser> i'm suggesting you save time.
[16:22] <hallyn> Daviey: I think for now we keep them non-duped, and hope that the fix for one fixes the other
[16:22] <Daviey> smoser: seriosuly, how long does it take to test the sleep?
[16:22] <smoser> and not spend time trying to get more information that would lead you to the same amount of un-knowledge.
[16:22] <smoser> but, sure, try 'sleep 3'.
[16:23] <hallyn> Daviey: I'm more worried about erroneously marking something as a dup.  that usually turns out bad
[16:23] <smoser> cause 3 is a magic number.
[16:23] <hallyn> i.e., there might be a fix for bug 1, but someone testing for bug 2 says "that's not a good fix"
[16:23] <Ursinha> hallyn, +1
[16:23] <Daviey> we've probably wasted more time arguing the toss about this, than we would have JFDI'ing it.
[16:23] <smoser> i'll stop now.
[16:23] <hallyn> Daviey: it's not about waste of time testing.  I think you should not mark it a dup based on that test.
[16:23] <hallyn> putting in a comment with the result, though, is helpful.
[16:23] <Daviey> hallyn: Which is why i suggested we check it when the udev fix lands, but at least i can mentally consider it a dupe - and start worrying less about it.
[16:24] <hallyn> Daviey: sounds good :)
[16:24] <utlemming> let's table the current discussion and move on
[16:24] <Daviey> moving on..
[16:24] <utlemming> #action Daviey, smoser, hallyn to follow up on bug 801494
[16:24] <meetingology> ACTION: Daviey, smoser, hallyn to follow up on bug 801494
[16:24] <Daviey> bug 827496, ikonia has offered to try and resolve
[16:25] <Daviey> and i believe bug 831121.. He might want a hand, so listen out to cries for help.
[16:25] <Daviey> bug 832507, rbasak - have you been able to prepare a trunk patch?
[16:26] <rbasak> Yes, I have one that I think works
[16:26] <rbasak> jdstrand has the libvirt fix ready now. I still need to see the whole system working for myself and test the edge cases
[16:26] <Daviey> rbasak: Are you likely going to be able to push a merge proposal to upstream trunk by EoD?
[16:27] <rbasak> No, the patch isn't ready for upstream
[16:27] <smoser> rbasak, can you point us at your current branch ?
[16:27] <Daviey> smoser: he's created a PPA based on the staged upload
[16:27] <Daviey> which we should be able to test in the lab.
[16:28] <Daviey> (with libvirt disabled, or jdstrands patch)
[16:28] <rbasak> I found a bug in the PPA, I made an error during one of my many rebases
[16:28] <smoser> branch ?
[16:28] <rbasak> The latest branch I have is git, against nova's git upstream. I can push that to github if you'd like to see it?
[16:28] <smoser> yeah, please. i'm just curious.
[16:29] <hallyn> fwiw I'm still trying to figure out bug 842845 - something's funky in the nova->libvirt bindings i think.  the container is running, nova doesn't know about it.
[16:29] <Daviey> hallyn: that was the next bug on my hit list
[16:29] <Daviey> :)
[16:29] <Daviey> hallyn: Is it still viable for a fix in Oneiric release?
[16:30] <hallyn> Daviey: I think so.  It seems like it should be a simple misunderstanding somewhere
[16:30] <hallyn> but i need time to figure out how nova is getting and interpreting log data from the container startup
[16:30] <Daviey> hallyn: Great.. do keep the bug updated with status. :)
[16:30] <hallyn> when i get some i will :)
[16:30] <Daviey> hallyn: If you want some help, do shout.
[16:30] <Daviey> moving on..
[16:31] <hallyn> thx
[16:31] <Daviey> bug 827590 smoser, is that fix committed to the staged branch?
[16:31] <smoser> i'm fairly sure that is fix-released
[16:32] <Daviey> updted
[16:32] <Daviey> smoser: if this is not the case, can you re-open?
[16:32] <rbasak> smoser: https://github.com/basak/nova/commits/master/
[16:32] <Daviey> bug 845788
[16:33] <Daviey> smoser: ^^ status?
[16:33] <smoser> thank you rbasak
[16:33] <smoser> zul, are you ok for me to upload that ?
[16:33] <rbasak> (I will probably revise/squash this)
[16:33] <smoser> or is there something else you were wanting to get in there... zul..
[16:34] <smoser> rbasak, well, for better or worse, with gerrit and openstack, all merge commits are squashed !
[16:34] <rbasak> sounds like fun :)
[16:34] <Daviey> smoser: take it out-of-meeting, but if we can get that Fix Released by this time tomorrow it would be good.
[16:34] <zul> smoser: i need to go through the list for glance/nova to make sure we arent missing that we should have
[16:34]  * smoser is embarrased as he has to admit that bzr does a better job of merging branches than git does ... at least that gerrit uses.
[16:35] <Daviey> bug 856530 , adam_g has a merge proposal .. does someone in ~ubuntu-server-dev / ~core-dev want to review that?
[16:36] <Daviey> okay, i'll do that
[16:36] <Daviey> bug 854614 smoser, fixed in staged branch?
[16:36] <zul> Daviey:  i did this morning its already been merged
[16:36] <zul> merged as well
[16:36] <Daviey> zul: ok, great!
[16:37] <Daviey> Now, what other bugs are we missing?
[16:37] <zul> the samba winbind one i need to look at
[16:37] <smoser> checking
[16:38] <smoser> it would appear to be
[16:38] <zul> and the need to fix keystone apparently
[16:38] <Daviey> zul: bug number?
[16:38] <zul> Daviey: dont have it off the top of my head
[16:38] <Daviey> zul: can you let me know what it is after the meeting?
[16:38] <zul> Daviey: ack
[16:39] <Daviey> zul: I suspect SI will be helping with keystone.. shame they are not in the meeting.
[16:39] <zul> i suspect most of the issues i already fixed in the upstream branch anyways
[16:40] <zul> just need to roll a new tarball
[16:40] <Daviey> Any Juju people here?
[16:40] <smoser> wait. roll a new tarball ?
[16:40] <smoser> of what ?
[16:40] <zul> smoser:  keystone bug fixes
[16:41] <lynxman> Daviey: SI is in the meeting :)
[16:42]  * smoser publicly apologizes for not understanding completely the bug that he was discussing above, and for being rude to daviey.
[16:42] <Daviey> smoser: shut up. :)
[16:42] <utlemming> #action smoser and daviey to make up
[16:42] <meetingology> ACTION: smoser and daviey to make up
[16:42] <lynxman> Daviey: negronjl is working with iamfuzz in order to provide a keystone patch (coordinating with zul)
[16:42] <Ursinha> lol
[16:42] <Daviey> lynxman: Great!
[16:42] <lynxman> Ursinha: we'll take pictures
[16:42] <SpamapS> Still on "Oneiric Development" ? you guys been discussing the weather in here?
[16:43] <Daviey> Ursinha: have anything concerning you?
[16:43] <smoser> there is lots of oneiric development to discuss.
[16:43] <Ursinha> Daviey, not really no, sir
[16:43] <Daviey> SpamapS: Ah!  Anything juju of concern?
[16:44] <Daviey> utlemming: we should probably move on.
[16:44] <lynxman> I'd like to point out bugs #818177 and #854899
[16:44] <SpamapS> Just as an FYI, I'm finishing up some intense testing of juju before uploading the renamed package today..
[16:44] <lynxman> SpamapS: great, I'll tailgate you on that one for macports
[16:44] <Daviey> SpamapS: awesome
[16:44] <utlemming> If anyone has any other Oneiric development topics, please feel free to add to the agenda later.
[16:44] <SpamapS> There will also be an FFe for another revision of Juju which will basically be the "eureka" release of Juju .. including local dev and some repository stuff.
[16:44] <utlemming> Moving on...
[16:45] <utlemming> #topic Ubuntu Server Team Events
[16:45] <hallyn> lynxman: yes, bug 818177 was the one i was really hoping jhunt would look at
[16:45] <Daviey> lynxman: You do realise most of the meeting has been talking about the second bug you mentioned? :)
[16:45] <lynxman> Daviey: I know, but still I had to ;)
[16:45] <Daviey> Events!
[16:45] <utlemming> I believe that there is an Open Stack event next week
[16:45] <lynxman> utlemming: ODS next week in Boston
[16:45] <Daviey> ODS
[16:45] <Daviey> http://summit.openstack.org/ - lots of the team will be there.
[16:45] <Daviey> (I should mention that today is the deadline for raising blueprints for that summit)
[16:46] <SpamapS> Have we raised any?
[16:46] <zul> yeah 2
[16:46] <SpamapS> I may throw one in about S3 test suite for swift and/or using CEPH
[16:46] <utlemming> #action Deadline for ODS is today
[16:46] <meetingology> ACTION: Deadline for ODS is today
[16:46] <Daviey> I have one pending.
[16:46] <Daviey> maybe 2. lets take that out of meeting
[16:46] <Daviey> When does Oneiric release by the way?
[16:46] <SpamapS> Given the significant tap dancing we've had to do to make juju work with nova-objectstore since its "s3-like"
[16:47] <utlemming> If there are no other events, lets move on
[16:47] <utlemming> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh)
[16:47] <SpamapS> UDS!
[16:47] <SpamapS> Its close enough to mention UDS :)
[16:47] <Daviey> hggdh: Hello!
[16:47] <hggdh> Daviey: yo
[16:48] <utlemming> hggdh: Do you have any news for us?
[16:48] <Daviey> utlemming: move on, we'll come back
[16:48] <hggdh> no, no news
[16:48] <hggdh> ..
[16:48] <utlemming> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb)
[16:48] <smb> Trying to make it shortish: seems at least there is an upstream fix for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/854050
[16:48] <smb> currently building test kernel there
[16:48] <smoser> smb, so does that bug actually happen when there is no swap ?
[16:48] <smb> Otherwise trying to find out where the events on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xen/+bug/854829 go
[16:49] <smb> smoser, In theory it may
[16:49] <smoser> i just wrote it off as not affecting amd64 on ec2 due to "swapfile.c"
[16:49] <smb> But maybe not causing the same path to trigger
[16:49] <Daviey> smb: bug 790712 ?
[16:49] <smb> Daviey, no
[16:49] <smoser> (there is no swap on amd64 instances on ec2 unless the user configures it, which is unlikely)
[16:50] <smb> smoser, The explanation somehow was referring to forking under high load which may having some effect in all cases
[16:51] <Daviey> smb: bug-790712 is not still viable for release?  SRU/P-Series target?
[16:51] <smb> smoser, But I would just empirically let people affected try with a test kernel and that patch
[16:51] <smoser> yeah.
[16:51] <utlemming> #action smoser, utlemming and smb to follow up on Bug 790712
[16:51] <meetingology> ACTION: smoser, utlemming and smb to follow up on Bug 790712
[16:51] <Daviey> smb: Those two you raised, are they viable for release or SRU/P-series?
[16:51] <smb> Daviey, There was not much more information since the last time I looked. So as I wrote it is hard to make something off that
[16:52] <smoser> i think that was the wrong bug number.
[16:52] <utlemming> #action smoser, utlemming and smb to follow up on Bug 854050
[16:52] <meetingology> ACTION: smoser, utlemming and smb to follow up on Bug 854050
[16:52] <Daviey> yah, utlemming
[16:52] <smb> Daviey, first one probably SRU (because it also needs to go into older releases)
[16:52] <utlemming> And since we're going to run out of time, let's get moving
[16:53] <Daviey> hggdh: I think smb could do with your re-confirmation on bug 790712
[16:53] <smb> Daviey, Second one probably too since I not yet found the trigger. But maybe
[16:53] <utlemming> smb: Anything else?
[16:53] <Daviey> smb: Okay, thanks!  Really appreciate you and your teams stability you have given this cycle.
[16:53] <smb> no, dont think
[16:53] <hggdh> Daviey, smb: I will retry it. Since it is sort-of random, I will run a full sequence
[16:53] <utlemming> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions regarding Ubuntu ARM Server (NCommander)
[16:54] <utlemming> NCommander: how is the arm world looking?
[16:54] <NCommander> Looking good towards releasae
[16:54] <Daviey> \o/
[16:54] <NCommander> Few minor bugs in the netboot install, but otherwise no complaints from me
[16:54] <smoser> bug 852225
[16:54] <smoser> woot! fix released.
[16:54] <Daviey> NCommander: any speciic issues/bugs?
[16:54] <smoser> utlemming, does that mean those images now boot under qemu ?
[16:54] <utlemming> :( the lastest qemu images don't boot though, so I need to look at why
[16:55] <Daviey> NCommander: bug 827705, invalid for u-boot.. is that correct?
[16:55] <NCommander> Daviey: guided partition on omap(4) doesn't work peroperly don't have bug number handy
[16:55] <utlemming> #action utlemming to figure out qemu image situation
[16:55] <meetingology> ACTION: utlemming to figure out qemu image situation
[16:55] <NCommander> Daviey: I'm unfamiliar with that bug in question, will get back with you
[16:55] <Daviey> NCommander: what are the minor bug numbers?
[16:55] <Daviey> NCommander: thanks
[16:56] <Daviey> NCommander: When you find that bug number, can you send it over to me please?
[16:57] <Daviey> if there is nothing else, shall we move on?
[16:57] <utlemming> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions from the Ubuntu Community
[16:57] <utlemming> Do any of our community friends have any topics to raise?
[16:58] <Daviey> Can we go home now?
[16:58] <utlemming> [TOPIC] Open Discussion
[16:58] <utlemming> Daviey: I suppose
[16:58] <Daviey> I thik we had "open discussion" already TBH
[16:59] <utlemming> lol, I think so too
[16:59] <utlemming> [TOPIC] Announce next meeting date and time
[16:59] <Daviey> cobbler-enlist support is doing well.
[16:59] <SpamapS> Daviey: ^5
[16:59] <Daviey> so, next week
[16:59] <utlemming> Tuesday 2011-10-04 at 16:00 UTC
[16:59] <Daviey> Many of us will be at ODSm but i think the meeting still needs to happen
[17:00] <Daviey> I will certainly be here, at least in part.
[17:00] <utlemming> #endmeeting
[17:00] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Sep 27 17:00:24 2011 UTC.
[17:00] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-09-27-16.06.moin.txt
[17:00] <bjf> #startmeeting
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[17:00] <Daviey> So lets TEST, TEST, DEVELOP, TEST, NEW UPSTREAM VERSIONS< TEST
[17:00] <apw> o/
[17:00] <bjf> ##
[17:00] <bjf> ## This is the Ubuntu Kernel Team weekly status meeting.
[17:00] <bjf> ##
[17:00] <jjohansen> \o
[17:00] <cking> o/
[17:00] <sconklin> o/
[17:00] <bjf> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting
[17:00] <bjf> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Oneiric
[17:00] <smb> o/
[17:00] <bjf> # Meeting Etiquette
[17:00] <bjf> #
[17:00] <bjf> # NOTE: '..' indicates that you are finished with your input.
[17:00] <bjf> #       'o/' indicates you have something you'd like to add (wait until you are recognized)
[17:00] <bjf> #
[17:01] <bjf> [TOPIC] ARM Status (ppisati)
[17:01] <ppisati> Various arm kernel flavours: nothing new this week.
[17:01] <ppisati> Oneiric/ti-omap4: lp844099 ("System fails to acknowledge changing of SD"), found the problem, wrote a tentative patch and it worked. Sent a test kernel.
[17:01] <ppisati> Oneiric/tegra: new community kernel (2.5.38-ac100-1000) with working sound and suspend/resume (at least on Toshiba AC100).
[17:01] <ppisati> ..
[17:01] <bjf> [TOPIC] Release Metrics and Incoming Bugs (ogasawara)
[17:01] <ogasawara> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/kt-meeting.txt
[17:01] <ogasawara> [17:01] <ogasawara>  * 37 linux kernel bugs (up 17)
[17:01] <ogasawara> [17:01] <ogasawara>  * 3 linux kernel bugs (up 3)
[17:01] <ogasawara> [17:01] <ogasawara>  * 0 oneiric linux kernel bugs (no change 0)
[17:01] <ogasawara>  * 15 natty linux kernel bugs (no change 0)
[17:01] <ogasawara>  * 3 maverick linux kernel bugs (no change 0)
[17:01] <ogasawara>  * 7 lucid linux kernel bugs (no change 0)
[17:01] <ogasawara>  * 0 hardy linux kernel bugs (no change 0)
[17:01] <ogasawara> [17:01] <ogasawara>  * 255 oneiric bugs (up 34)
[17:01] <ogasawara>  * 1643 natty bugs (up 25)
[17:01] <ogasawara>  * 1107 maverick bugs (down 3)
[17:02] <ogasawara>  * 992 lucid bugs (down 18)
[17:02] <ogasawara>  * 46 hardy bugs (no change 0)
[17:02] <ogasawara> [17:02] <ogasawara> [17:02] <ogasawara>  * 0 oneiric bugs (no change 0)
[17:02] <ogasawara>  * 17 natty bugs (no change 0)
[17:02] <ogasawara>  * 40 maverick bugs (no change 0)
[17:02] <ogasawara>  * 76 lucid bugs (down 3)
[17:02] <ogasawara>  * 0 hardy bugs (no change 0)
[17:02] <ogasawara> [17:02] <ogasawara>  * 8 oneiric bugs (up 1)
[17:02] <ogasawara>  * 431 natty bugs (down 2)
[17:02] <ogasawara>  * 237 maverick bugs (down 2)
[17:02] <ogasawara>  * 208 lucid bugs (down 5)
[17:02] <ogasawara>  * 2 hardy bugs (no change 0)
[17:02] <ogasawara> [17:02] <ogasawara>  * 0 oneiric bugs (no change 0)
[17:02] <ogasawara>  * 4 natty bugs (no change 0)
[17:02] <ogasawara>  * 0 maverick bugs (no change 0)
[17:02] <ogasawara>  * 2 lucid bugs (up 1)
[17:02] <ogasawara>  * 0 hardy bugs (no change 0)
[17:02] <ogasawara> ..
[17:02] <bjf> [TOPIC] Milstone Targeted Work Items
[17:02] <bjf> [LINK] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/milestones.html
[17:02] <ogasawara> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/canonical-kernel-team-ubuntu-11.10.html
[17:02] <ogasawara> || apw       || desktop-o-xorg-stakeholders-request || 1 work item ||
[17:02] <ogasawara> ||           || other-kernel-o-ubuntu-delta-review  || 1 work item ||
[17:02] <ogasawara> || ppisati   || other-kernel-o-ubuntu-delta-review  || 1 work item ||
[17:02] <ogasawara> ||           || other-kernel-o-config-review        || 1 work item ||
[17:03] <ogasawara> If your name is in the table above, please review your final Oneiric work items.
[17:03] <ogasawara> ..
[17:03] <bjf> [TOPIC] Status: General Oneiric (ogasawara)
[17:03] <ogasawara> We uploaded the 3.0.0-12.19 Ubuntu kernel last friday.  We are nearing Final Freeze for Oneiric this Thurs, Sept 29.  Only high/critical issues which are deemed necessary for the release will warrant an upload at this time.  Because we are in Kernel Freeze, all patches are subject to our SRU policy in order to be applied.
[17:03] <ogasawara> Some important upcoming dates to keep in mind are as follows:
[17:03] <ogasawara>  * Sept 29 - Final Freeze (2 days)
[17:03] <ogasawara>  *  Oct  6 - Release Candidate (~1 week)
[17:03] <ogasawara>  *  Oct 13 - Final Release (~2 weeks)
[17:03] <ogasawara> I would also like to note that the P-series git repo has been rebased to v3.1-rc7 and is available on the master-next branch at git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-p.git .
[17:04] <ogasawara> ..
[17:04] <bjf> [TOPIC] Status: CVE's (apw)
[17:04] <apw> [17:04] <apw>  
[17:04] <apw> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/cve/pkg/CVE-linux.txt
[17:04] <apw>  
[17:04] <apw> Currently open CVEs for each supported branch:
[17:04] <apw>  
[17:04] <apw> || Package                                  || Open      ||
[17:04] <apw> ||                                          ||           ||
[17:04] <apw> || linux Hardy                              ||    5 (-1) ||
[17:04] <apw> || linux Lucid                              ||    2 (-1) ||
[17:05] <apw> || linux Maverick                           ||    2 (-1) ||
[17:05] <apw> || linux Natty                              ||    2 (-1) ||
[17:05] <apw> || linux Oneiric                            ||    2 (--) ||
[17:05] <apw> || linux-ec2 Lucid                          ||    2 (-1) ||
[17:05] <apw> || linux-fsl-imx51 Lucid                    ||    2 (-1) ||
[17:05] <apw> || linux-mvl-dove Lucid                     ||    2 (-1) ||
[17:05] <apw> || linux-mvl-dove Maverick                  ||    2 (-1) ||
[17:05] <apw> || linux-ti-omap4 Maverick                  ||    2 (-1) ||
[17:05] <apw> || linux-ti-omap4 Natty                     ||    2 (-1) ||
[17:05] <apw> || linux-ti-omap4 Oneiric                   ||    2 (--) ||
[17:05] <apw> || linux-lts-backport-maverick Lucid        ||    2 (-1) ||
[17:05] <apw> || linux-lts-backport-natty Lucid           ||    2 (-1) ||
[17:05] <apw>  
[17:05] <apw> One additional CVE was added this week and all CVEs with fixes are now closed out.  We have referred two of the Hardy CVEs which have very large patch stacks back to the security team for review.
[17:05] <apw>  
[17:05] <apw> ..
[17:05] <bjf> [TOPIC] Status: Stable, Security, and Bugfix Kernel Updates - Natty/Maverick/Lucid/Hardy (sconklin)
[17:05] <sconklin> ||== Status of kernels ==
[17:05] <sconklin> ||
[17:05] <sconklin> || An i915 graphics regression was discovered in Natty which was released in -updates.
[17:05] <sconklin> || The offending patch has been identified and will be reverted in the next Natty
[17:05] <sconklin> || kernel. Work is under way with upstream to come up with a new fix to add external
[17:05] <sconklin> || monitor plug support without regressions. The bugs open for this regression are:
[17:06] <sconklin> || * [[https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/838181|External monitor connected trough . . .]]
[17:06] <sconklin> || * [[https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/814325|fuzzy and corrupted display after dpms cycles]]
[17:06] <sconklin> ||
[17:06] <sconklin> || SRU kernel status:
[17:06] <sconklin> || * [[http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/kernel-sru-workflow.html|Kernel SRU Workflow Status]]
[17:06] <sconklin> || * [[http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/sru-report.html|Detailed Information Here]]
[17:06] <sconklin> ||
[17:06] <sconklin> || Kernel status for each series is as follows:
[17:06] <sconklin> ||
[17:06] <sconklin> ||[17:06] <sconklin> || * [[https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/853945|Hardy Tracking Bug]]
[17:06] <sconklin> || * Currently undergoing regression testing
[17:06] <sconklin> ||
[17:06] <sconklin> ||[17:06] <sconklin> || * [[https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/849228|Lucid Tracking Bug]]
[17:06] <sconklin> || * Awaiting publishing to -updates and -security
[17:06] <sconklin> ||
[17:06] <sconklin> ||[17:06] <sconklin> || * [[https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/854092|Maverick Tracking Bug]]
[17:06] <sconklin> || * In testing Phase. Undergoing regression testing, needs Certification testing
[17:06] <sconklin> ||
[17:06] <sconklin> ||[17:06] <sconklin> || * In preparation, should be in Verification phase by the end of this week
[17:06] <sconklin> ||
[17:06] <sconklin> || Current Kernel versions are available here: http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/versions.html
[17:06] <sconklin> ||
[17:07] <sconklin> ..
[17:07] <bjf> [TOPIC] Open Discussion or Questions: Raise your hand to be recognized (o/)
[17:07] <bjf> thanks everyone
[17:07] <bjf> #endmeeting
[17:07] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Sep 27 17:07:25 2011 UTC.
[17:07] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-09-27-17.00.moin.txt
[17:07] <sconklin> thanks Brad!
[17:07] <apw> bjf, thanks
[17:07] <kamal> thanks bjf