[00:00] <ikonia> hello famine
[00:00] <famine> goodbye ikonia
[00:00] <ikonia> ok.....
[00:10] <h00k> hello ikonia
[00:10] <ikonia> hello
[00:11] <rww> goodbye h00k
[00:11] <ikonia>  /part
[00:11]  * h00k waits for /abr
[08:26] <Myrtti> er, WoolRich ...
[08:26] <Myrtti> what on earth
[08:26] <ikonia> I'd like a jumper
[08:27] <Tm_T> Jolly Jumper?
[08:28] <Tm_T> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jolly_Jumper
[11:04] <Pici> ...
[11:04] <jussi> @ignore Valks
[11:04] <Pici> thanks
[11:04] <ikonia> trying to find out
[11:04] <ikonia> slick
[11:05]  * Pici continues to try to wake up
[11:05] <jussi> good morning Pici
[11:06] <IdleOne> morning Pici
[11:11] <knome> ugh
[11:11]  * Pici waves
[12:00] <ikonia> jrib: pratz_ was an issue yesterday with this sort of thing, and shock horror he wants to discuss it that bad he's not joined either of the suggested channels
[14:06] <GTRsdk> hi
[14:07] <ikonia> hello GTRsdk
[14:08] <GTRsdk> ikonia: is #ubuntu-offtopic still in use? * #ubuntu-offtopic #ubuntu-ops :Forwarding to another channel
[14:08] <ikonia> it should be, one moment, let me see if I can find a reason for your problem
[14:09] <GTRsdk> dids you ban be again?
[14:09] <ikonia> one moment and I'll find out for you.
[14:10] <topyli> i did
[14:10] <ikonia> then over to topyli
[14:10] <topyli> GTRsdk: your quit message is annoyed quite a few people and i just wanted a chance to ask you to change it before you join
[14:11] <topyli> no other problems
[14:11] <GTRsdk> topyli: why not use memoserv for that then?
[14:12] <GTRsdk> so quit should be absolutely nothing?
[14:12] <ikonia> LmAt: be with you in a moment.
[14:12] <topyli> oh no, but it shouldn't be four lines of eeee either
[14:12] <LmAt> ikonia, No need :)
[14:13] <topyli> grrr, emergency. could someone please remove GTRsdk's ban when msg is changed?
[14:13] <ikonia> LmAt: how can we help you ?
[14:13] <ikonia> topyli: sure
[14:14] <LmAt> ikonia, I can't think of anything.  Should I leave?
[14:14] <GTRsdk> what was my quit message there?
[14:14] <ikonia> LmAt: yes please.
[14:14] <ikonia> GTRsdk: nothing at all
[14:14] <LmAt> okay
[14:14] <ikonia> GTRsdk: give me an moment and I'll remove the ban forward for you
[14:14] <GTRsdk> there is seriously something wrong with my IRC program then
[14:15] <ikonia> GTRsdk: won't keep you a moment
[14:16] <ikonia> GTRsdk: would try to join now please ?
[14:17] <GTRsdk> ikonia: the scrollback shows the last quit message, now I see why I was banned.
[14:18] <ikonia> GTRsdk: all looks good here,
[14:19] <GTRsdk> okay
[17:55]  * Pici perscribes op-be-gone for op irritations
[19:32] <Jordan_U> !away > Jasonn
[19:49] <jpds> "< ~b3ta> Tectu, rule of thumb for servers - if it aint broke, dont apt-get upgrade"
[19:51] <jpds> Can someone back me up with this guy?
[19:52] <IdleOne> hit him with facts
[19:52] <IdleOne> I don't know enough to help you.
[19:53] <charlie-tca> apt-get upgrade is a safe upgrade; how do you get security fixes on the server if you never update? wait for the scammers to grab it first?
[19:53] <jpds> charlie-tca: → #ubuntu
[19:54] <charlie-tca> I can't hardly stand that channel. It is just too busy and drives my eyes crazy
[19:56] <jpds> I give up on him.
[21:25] <pythonsnake> Hello
[21:26] <IdleOne> hello pythonsnake
[21:26] <pythonsnake> I wanna get a unban for #ubuntu+1 please
[21:26] <IdleOne> How may I be of service this fine day? :)
[21:26] <IdleOne> give me a moment please
[21:26] <pythonsnake> IdleOne: :)
[21:26] <IdleOne> Do you remember why you got banned?
[21:27] <pythonsnake> in my version ?
[21:27] <pythonsnake> or op's version?
[21:27] <IdleOne> your version of course
[21:27] <pythonsnake> hmm let me remember
[21:29] <pythonsnake> ah
[21:29] <IdleOne> ok I see, you were cross posting. You understand why cross posting is not acceptable?
[21:29] <pythonsnake> No
[21:30] <IdleOne> pythonsnake: brb in 2 minutes.
[21:30] <pythonsnake> ok
[21:31] <IdleOne> sorry about that, had something about to burn on the stove.
[21:32] <pythonsnake> np
[21:33] <IdleOne> ok, so the reason why cross posting is bad is because in the Ubuntu channels many of the users help in multiple channels at once and asking the same question in multiple channels just makes it that more difficult for them to help you.
[21:33] <IdleOne> if you agree to not cross post anymore I will gladly remove the ban.
[21:35] <pythonsnake> no offence or anything but can I tell something ?
[21:35] <IdleOne> absolutely
[21:37] <pythonsnake> there are people who may know the answers  who are in for example #kubuntu channel but not in #ubuntu channel, so ask in multiple channel can help to get better answer probability
[21:37] <pythonsnake> maybe i'm wrong
[21:38] <pythonsnake> say* something
[21:39] <IdleOne> pythonsnake: in a sense you are right but at the same time it also makes it harder for users who are in multiple channels to follow your questions and provide help.
[21:39] <IdleOne> not to mention that -dev channels are not meant for support generally.
[21:39] <pythonsnake> I didn't ask for support
[21:40] <IdleOne> in that case cross posting your non-support question to a -dev channel and a support channel is wrong. non-support questions don't belong in #ubuntu+1
[21:41] <pythonsnake> I asked in #ubuntu+1 and reported a potential bug in dev
 Hello. I am using Oneiric, but during the upgrade Natty-Oneiric (do-release-upgrade -d ), after packages download, I had a network problem so no Internet. flashplugin download failed. Today, I retried to update (apt-get update && apt-get upgrade) but I get the following error: http://pastie.org/private/qx4zgaznikhhnjsmouacaa. Sorry if my english is bad, it's not my native language.
 Anyone have got any ideas of what's going on ?
[21:42] <pythonsnake> suppport question
[21:42] <IdleOne> that looks like a support question to me. bugs are reported on launchpad.net
[21:42] <pythonsnake> Ah ok
[21:43] <pythonsnake> But I see people reporting bugs in dev channel..
[21:43] <IdleOne> anyway, the rule is that we do not accept cross posting, can you follow that rule?
 oneiric broken: http://paste.ubuntu.com/698128/   natty working: http://paste.ubuntu.com/698129
[21:43] <pythonsnake> the rules are rude ;_______;
[21:43] <pythonsnake> I suppose I don't have the choice :P
[21:44] <IdleOne> perhaps and you are welcome to bring your concerns about the rules to the IRCC at the next meeting if you wish, in the mean time I need you to follow them :)
[21:44] <pythonsnake> I can't, I fear ikonia :(
[21:45] <LjL> pythonsnake, do you agree that the following is unacceptable?
[21:45] <LjL> i need help with my wifi, please help me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[21:45] <LjL> i need help with my wifi, please help me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[21:45] <LjL> i need help with my wifi, please help me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[21:45] <pythonsnake> yes
[21:45] <IdleOne> pythonsnake: ikonia is not part of the IRCC and there is no reason to fear any of the ops, we are all here to help.
[21:45] <LjL> pythonsnake: yet, at the same time, don't you think it *is* in fact more likely to elicit a response? if nothing else, people will notice it better
[21:46] <pythonsnake> huh? I don't get your last sentence...
[21:46] <pythonsnake> IdleOne: IRCC ?
[21:47] <IdleOne> the Ubuntu IRC Council
[21:47] <IdleOne> IRCC for short.
[21:47] <LjL> pythonsnake: if someone posts their question once, it can easily get ignored, because #Ubuntu is busy
[21:47] <LjL> pythonsnake: if you post it multiple times in a row, it will most certainly get everyone's attention
[21:47] <LjL> pythonsnake: don't you think?
[21:47] <pythonsnake> of course
[21:48] <LjL> pythonsnake: then why do you think it's unacceptable?
[21:48] <pythonsnake> because he's not a priviligied person ?
[21:48] <LjL> exactly!
[21:48] <LjL> pythonsnake: it's unacceptable because in the long run, it ruins everyone's experience. the given individual who did it might benefit, but the community as a whole suffers
[21:49] <LjL> pythonsnake: so while it's true that you may get more responses by crossposting, it's not acceptable because everyone just sees the same question multiple times, and as a result there is more noise and some people will be led to leave one of the channels if they see the same stuff posted twice
[21:49] <pythonsnake> :S
[21:50] <LjL> pythonsnake: do you at least follow my reasoning?
[21:50] <pythonsnake> yes
[21:50] <IdleOne> Great.
[21:51] <IdleOne> pythonsnake: I will remove the ban.
[21:51] <pythonsnake> thanks :-)
[21:52] <pythonsnake> thanks :-)
[21:52] <pythonsnake> thanks :-)
[21:52] <pythonsnake> thanks :-)
[21:52] <pythonsnake> oooops
[21:52] <IdleOne> stop that please
[21:52] <pythonsnake> Sorry :S
[21:52] <rww> You may want to read our guidelines at some point. It does detail that crossposting and repeating are bad, as well as other rules you've run afoul of in the past.
[21:52] <IdleOne> please join #ubuntu+1 and say something
[21:52] <pythonsnake> Client came crazy
[21:52] <pythonsnake> good night
[21:53] <rww> yeah, quassel doesn't make you repeat lines like that
[21:53] <LjL> i like to think he was being ironical
[21:54] <IdleOne> LjL: thanks for clearing that up for him :)
[21:55] <rww> LjL: indeed
[21:55] <IdleOne> now if he would only reply to me in +1
[22:58] <Flannel> !scope > Gaming4JC