[00:22] <sammm1> What do UK Ubuntu meetings involve?
[00:22] <sammm1> Fit girls?#
[00:23] <sammm1> Fit young teen tight girls?
[00:23] <sammm1> And beer?
[00:25] <shauno> I think I could only meet that with a single word:  beards.
[00:32] <sammm1> shauno: Birds?
[00:39] <shauno> my accent isn't that bad
[00:41] <sammm1> shauno: Sureeeeeeeeeee
[00:41] <ikonia> sammm1: you know that's not acceptable in this channel
[00:42] <sammm1> ikonia: whatever
[00:42] <ikonia> sammm1: thanks,
[00:42] <ikonia> directhex: still up ?
[00:42] <sammm1> ikonia: You're welcum
[00:43] <sammm1> ikonia: Just you wait 'til I see you in Bristol.
[00:43] <ikonia> what are you talking about now ?
[00:44] <sammm1> ikonia: You and me
[00:44] <ikonia> what ???
[00:44] <sammm1> ikonia: Yeah
[00:44] <ikonia> I have no idea what you're talking about
[00:46] <sammm1> ikonia: You know...
[00:46] <ikonia> I genuinly don't
[00:47] <sammm1> ikonia: :) xxx
[00:48] <ikonia> I don't understand, sorry.
[00:49] <sammm1> ikonia: Scrambled eggs, grated cheese, gallon of milk a day, squats and mushrooms. :)
[00:49] <ikonia> I have no idea what your talking about
[00:52] <hamitron> sammm1, I'm all for bending rules... but there is a line beyond that line, and I think you cross the one after that ;)
[00:52] <sammm1> hamitron: naaaaaa
[06:24] <AlanBell> morning all
[06:25]  * AlanBell observes a lot of idiocy in the scrollback
[06:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning earthlings
[06:26] <AlanBell> everyone see my pet dragon? https://plus.google.com/u/0/109175303602657131317/posts/7XCemQJ1LLu
[06:40] <czajkowski> aloha
[07:03] <czajkowski> danfish: 10 - 10 italy v usa
[07:05] <czajkowski> spoke too soon pasta got a try
[07:28] <daubers> Morning
[07:29]  * daubers may have been on another rant again
[07:30] <czajkowski> I changed channels to carry on
[07:30] <czajkowski> ;)
[07:40] <daubers> I do often wonder why people think that hardware still has the same potential as that from the 90's
[07:50] <AlanBell> the myth of the idle GUI draining all the server resources thing?
[07:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> GUIs are for wimps ;-)
[07:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> He says from a nice GUI
[07:54] <Myrtti> oh man. Would anyone volunteer to upgrade an ancient phpBB2 (which is on the last available version) to phpBB3 for me and check why the non-ascii characters are broken? I'm not up to this at this hour without coffee and some brain rebooting
[07:54] <daubers> AlanBell: That and that a "server" has to be a big powerful thing that is hugely secure/efficient/powerful :(
[07:55] <TheOpenSourcerer> My home server is small and low power. But is quite secure (I hope) and doesn't have a GUI.
[07:56] <daubers> TheOpenSourcerer: But you have some technical clue!
[07:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> "some" is correct.
[07:57] <TheOpenSourcerer> The Zentyal GUI (web based) is pretty good actually.
[07:57] <daubers> TheOpenSourcerer: Now think about putting something like that into a customer who wuold look at a command line and scream
[07:57] <MooDoo> .away
[07:57] <MooDoo> hello all
[07:58] <AlanBell> I am easy either way on the subject of GUIs, just a lot of people dislike them for invalid reasons
[07:58] <AlanBell> daubers: we put it in their office with no screen and they point a web browser at it
[07:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> That isn't actually the problem. We all know you can do a good deal of stuff faster and easier via a cli and it is a hell of a lot easier to say "type xyz" than to have to describe clicking various buttons and navigating through screens of pretty boxes.
[07:58] <daubers> If it was something going into a DC i wouldn't put a GUI on it. If it was a small home/office server I'd put a gui on it
[07:59] <TheOpenSourcerer> It's an education thing.
[07:59] <TheOpenSourcerer> Not a GUI is better/easier thing.
[07:59] <danfish> czajkowski: not been watching - school run :/
[07:59] <daubers> TheOpenSourcerer: Now you're away on holiday or somesuch and the customer urgently needs the webserver restarted, he's terrified of the CLI and has little clue but has to do this now. For the low overhead of the gui, that makes his job 10000* easier as it provides him with visual clues what to do
[08:00] <danfish> oops, wrong channel
[08:00] <danfish> morning btw
[08:00] <TheOpenSourcerer> And today "Web" <> inferior GUI to a GTK or QT type app.
[08:00] <AlanBell> that is certainly true now
[08:01] <AlanBell> hi MooDoo and danfish
[08:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> daubers "urgently needs the webserver restarted". It is far quicker to type "sudo service apache restart" than to load a gui and click several buttons surely?
[08:01] <daubers> TheOpenSourcerer: You get all kinds of fun issues with web based GUI's that will require you to go behind to fix stuff that is a lot easier to deal with in a native application
[08:02] <daubers> TheOpenSourcerer: you've missed the point. Little man in the office may not know about the cli. He can't get hold of anyone technical support. He has to do it now and on his own.
[08:02] <daubers> You're ignoring the target audience to suite your own preference
[08:02] <AlanBell> urgently needs the web server restarted would normally be "press the button on the front, wait a minute, press it again"
[08:02] <AlanBell> if it doesn't go off, hold the button down until it does, then press it again
[08:03] <daubers> AlanBell: And you've just pulled the connectivity from all of your client machines who where using the shared storage on that box too, losing a couple of hours of important work
[08:03] <TheOpenSourcerer> If someone "urgently needs the web server restarted" then they should bloody well know how to type 4 words, or they should *not* be running a web server IMHO
[08:04] <AlanBell> daubers: yeah, but generally it is "the vtiger server" or "the openERP server" not something doing multiple services
[08:05] <daubers> TheOpenSourcerer: Seriously, go and wander into some small offices (who don't do technical things, and some that do sadly) and look at their needs and the technical capability in the company
[08:05] <AlanBell> daubers: we do that all the time :)
[08:05] <daubers> AlanBell: Those aren't servers. They're appliances.
[08:05] <AlanBell> yes!
[08:06] <danfish> hmmm - at the end of the day isn't it about catering for multiple levels of expertise and customer choice?
[08:06] <danfish> whilst not diluting developed effort?
[08:06] <danfish> s/developed/developer
[08:07] <daubers> danfish: NO! It's giving people something that will do what they want in the easiest possible manner! Otherwise you end up over complicating things until they're unuseable by the least technical audience
[08:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> daubers: There is a *massive* eco system out there supporting those small offices that are running MS SBS. The "users" can't use/understand the MS SBS GUI any more or less than they could type a few commands.
[08:08] <daubers> TheOpenSourcerer: Yes, but they would e more familiar with a GUI type environment and hence easier to guide without scaring the hell out of them.
[08:08] <daubers> All of this over about £15 of ram and <£5 worth of HDD space!
[08:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> It takes far longer and is less easy to write down how to restart a web server using a GUI than it is a command line
[08:09] <daubers> Open the server management tool, click the services button, click "restart"
[08:10] <TheOpenSourcerer> Anyway - time for my morning ablutions.
[08:10] <daubers> Otherwise you're GUI is badly designed
[08:10] <daubers> s/you're/your
[08:19] <Laney> MartijnVdS: I think I got a reproducer
[08:19] <Laney> MartijnVdS: sudo kill -s HUP `pidof gconfd-2`
[08:20] <popey> morning all
[08:20] <Laney> doesn't happen every time, but try a few and it does in my experience
[08:20] <bigcalm> Morning popey
[08:20] <Laney> greetings
[08:20] <bigcalm> et al
[08:21] <IdleOne> Hey!
[08:22] <bigcalm> AlanBell: love the dragon, as does Hayley. What stock did you print yours on?
[08:22] <AlanBell> just 90gsm copier paper
[08:23] <AlanBell> 80gsm even
[08:26] <bigcalm> Oh, fair enough
[08:26] <bigcalm> Looked slightly glossy in the vid
[08:26] <AlanBell> laser printed
[08:27] <bigcalm> As was mine. Maybe it'll look different once I've made it
[08:27] <AlanBell> everyone should see my dragon -> https://plus.google.com/u/0/109175303602657131317/posts/7XCemQJ1LLu
[08:30]  * popey edits the url
[08:30] <dogmatic69> o/
[08:30] <dogmatic69> morning
[08:31] <JamesTait> Morning all!
[08:32] <popey> HULLO!
[08:34]  * daubers has now had coffee and calmed down a bit
[08:44] <JGJones> Is there an extension for LibreOffice to sync/upload/download/whateverelse to Google Docs?
[08:47] <oimon> AlanBell: is the dragon supposed to print on a A3 or A4? the A4 needs scaling if so
[08:48] <bigcalm> Printed ok on A4 for me
[08:49] <oimon> hmm
[09:04] <s-fox> Hello.
[09:07] <MooDoo> s-fox: hello
[09:07] <s-fox> Hello MooDoo  :)
[09:07] <s-fox> How are you?
[09:08] <MooDoo> s-fox: i'm very well thank you :)
[09:08] <s-fox> Thats good
[09:08] <MooDoo> what about you?
[09:31] <s-fox> I am good thank you MooDoo , sorting out a new job :)
[09:32] <MooDoo> s-fox: yeah i've seen your tweets, hows it going?
[09:32] <s-fox> Not bad, had a couple of promising emails back
[09:32] <MooDoo> s-fox: what you goig for?
[09:33] <s-fox> Mainly software engineer roles
[09:34] <MooDoo> cool
[09:34] <s-fox> I really need a new job, I am going to go insane here. lol
[09:41] <MooDoo> s-fox: good luck :)
[09:41] <s-fox> Thank you MooDoo
[09:42] <MooDoo> you're most welcome x
[09:44] <Hippychick> s-fox, where abouts are you based? seen quite a few development jobs in the kent area
[09:45] <s-fox> Hippychick,  Midlands, google says 3 hours drive
[09:45] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:45] <MooDoo> morning brobostigon
[09:45] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[09:46] <Hippychick> :(
[09:46] <Hippychick> not sure whats in the midlands really
[09:46] <Hippychick> fe
[09:46] <brobostigon> the cotswolds.
[09:46] <s-fox> I wouldn't worry Hippychick . Most of the jobs I have applied for are back in usa
[09:47] <s-fox> lol
[09:47] <MooDoo> oooo usa
[09:47] <MooDoo> i wanna go
[09:59] <oimon> this game looks interesting. anyone able to get it working under wine?
[09:59] <oimon> http://cardboardcomputer.com/games/ruins/
[09:59] <davmor2> morning all
[10:00] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[10:00] <Adriannom> morning
[10:02] <davmor2> MooDoo: How do mucka how's the family?
[10:03] <MooDoo> davmor2: crackin thanks, wifey could do with 728 hours more sleep, but we're ok
[10:04] <davmor2> MooDoo: Can you say that again but add Gromit after the crackin :D
[10:04] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod, morning chuck
[10:04]  * czajkowski tickles davmor2 
[10:05] <davmor2> czajkowski: How many times I'm not ticklish
[10:06] <bigcalm> Are you allergic to anything?
[10:06] <MooDoo> davmor2: czajkowski just likes to touch you, thought you'd worked that out already....
[10:14] <brobostigon> tomboy 1.8.0, lets see whats changed, i quite like tomboy.
[10:15] <brobostigon> !info tomboy oneiric
[10:15] <brobostigon> !info tomboy
[10:15] <Laney> not much
[10:15] <brobostigon> ok.
[10:20]  * daubers screams and throws books at stupid computers
[10:21] <brobostigon> Laney: i agree, i cant see much difference.
[10:21] <oimon> daubers: an ebook?
[10:21] <Laney> brobostigon: http://git.gnome.org/browse/tomboy/tree/NEWS
[10:22] <Laney> mostly fixes
[10:22] <brobostigon> thank you.
[10:29] <oimon> i just melted a plug. i don't think it was the right one to use
[10:34] <zleap> some good ideas on the list for 12.04
[10:36] <MartijnVdS> Is "crash less" on it?
[10:36] <MartijnVdS> Do we have a name for 11.04 yet?
[10:36] <MartijnVdS> uhr
[10:36] <MartijnVdS> 12.04
[10:38] <oimon> they could really screw your brain up and use a Pterosaur
[10:39] <bigcalm> Pneumatic Pterodactyl
[10:39] <TheOpenSourcerer> Seen the new Ubuntu "App Developer Portal" announcement? http://developer.ubuntu.com/
[10:39] <MartijnVdS> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-p -- I see only 3 "real" ideas
[10:39] <MartijnVdS> and a bunch of Linaro garbage
[10:39] <oimon> i don't really like oneiric as a word, so in my mind i just think oscillating ocelot
[10:40] <oimon> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames#A12.04
[10:40] <zleap> R should be Rampant Rabbit
[10:40] <AlanBell> from about tomorrow in oneiric you will be able to hear how it should be pronounced by running: spd-say "oneiric ocelot" at a terminal
[10:41] <oimon> google are the worst for codenames. i can never remember which is which
[10:41] <zleap> why at a terminal
[10:41] <oimon> alt-f2 if you prefer
[10:42] <zleap> ctrl-alt-T
[10:42] <AlanBell> run it however you like, my point being it is a command, not something in the menus
[10:43] <AlanBell> or in the uncharted depths of the unity dash
[10:43]  * TheOpenSourcerer waits for Apple to come after Canonical regarding their use of "App"
[10:44] <zleap> ok
[10:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> It would be good PR whatever happens ;-)
[10:44] <brobostigon> https://launchpad.net/~chromium-daily/+archive/ppa   anyone know why the last build was three weeks ago, and since then, 2 weeks ago, chromium 16 has been released.?
[10:47] <bigcalm> Is it wrong that I've never used Diaspora?
[10:47] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: no
[10:47] <bigcalm> I might have given it a go if the name was easier to remember/spell
[10:48] <oimon> it sounds like a medicine for diarhoea
[10:51] <gord> i'v used it, its okay, will be nice when they have a linux version
[10:52] <gord> or maybe i am thinking of something else, googling isn't helping
[10:52] <bigcalm> Heh
[10:53] <gord> http://www.desura.com is what i am thinking of -_-
[10:54] <AlanBell> diaspora is the distributed social network thing
[10:55] <AlanBell> combining the wide userbase of identi.ca and the rich functionality of twitter
[10:55] <Laney> identica got snazzier recently
[10:57] <AlanBell> yeah, I heard. Both users got kicked out for 3 days to do the upgrade or something
[11:01] <popey> COMEDY GOLD!
[11:01]  * AlanBell will try harder
[11:03] <bigcalm> :D
[11:06] <czajkowski> http://blog.whatsapp.com/index.php/2011/09/one-million/ great app
[11:08] <MartijnVdS> Whatsapp uses an unnecrypted XMPP connection
[11:08]  * MartijnVdS prefers Google Talk because of that :)
[11:08] <Adriannom> trying to setup one X session for each user on the entire network.  got a wyse s50 which connects with ica, rdp, ssh, tec or xdmcp.  rdp seems to do what i want so i setup xrdp.  if i rdp in off my ubuntu machine it spawns a new session for the user, and if i login on another client as well it connects to the same session.  problem is when i connect with the wyse thin client it spawns a new session every time, leaving
[11:08] <Adriannom>  any other sessions opened hanging in the background.  any ideas what could be causing the problem, or how i could tackle my goals in different ways?
[11:08] <MartijnVdS> (also, whatsapp stops working after ~ 2 hours for me)
[11:08] <directhex> cool kids run their own Prosody install for xmpp!
[11:09] <MartijnVdS> Adriannom: RDP always spawns a new session
[11:09] <MartijnVdS> Adriannom: if you want to reattach to a running session you need something like a vnc client
[11:09] <MartijnVdS> Adriannom: and the built-in vnc server ("vino")
[11:09] <Adriannom> MartijnVdS, if it always spawns a new session how can i connect to the same session multiple times by default?
[11:10] <Adriannom> btw i think xrdp uses vnc
[11:10] <Adriannom> vnc also can't login for a user right?
[11:11] <Adriannom> i.e. if i boot the server and don't login, i can't vnc to it
[11:12] <popey> czajkowski: you'll like iOS5 :D
[11:12] <popey> imessage ☺
[11:12] <Adriannom> unless you can think of a way of making it work?
[11:13] <Adriannom> basically multiple users need to use their x session from wherever they are on the network at any time, including simultaneously
[11:14] <czajkowski> popey: why.........
[11:14] <popey> czajkowski: oh, you're on android aren't you?
[11:14] <popey> forgot, thought you had an iphone
[11:15]  * czajkowski wonders has popey had enough coffee today
[11:16] <oimon> how can i get rid of a burnt electrical smell from my office using items i might find at work?
[11:17] <popey> a peg?
[11:17] <popey> bulldog clip?
[11:17] <czajkowski> open a window
[11:17]  * czajkowski hands popey a coffee
[11:18] <DJones> oimon: Buy a curry for lunch, it might not get rid of it, but will mask it
[11:19] <oimon> :)
[11:19] <oimon> i seem to have created the most evil sickening smell known to man
[11:20] <DJones> Ah, you've already eaten the curry then :)
[11:20] <davmor2> oimon: open the window
[11:20] <popey>  \o/
[11:20] <popey>  (.).oO( PARP! )
[11:20] <popey>  | |
[11:20] <oimon> the windows are wide open and i'm in my coat
[11:20] <popey>  /31
[11:20] <czajkowski> it's warm out today
[11:20] <popey> BAH!
[11:20]  * czajkowski hands popey a large coffeee
[11:20] <oimon> i think some of the burning electrical juice went on the carpet :(
[11:21] <czajkowski> you're like me on a bad day
[11:21]  * popey has Pepsi Max
[11:21] <MartijnVdS> poor Max
[11:21] <oimon> does pepsi max still exist?
[11:21] <popey> yes, although this one wont for long
[11:21] <oimon> remember the coke vs pepsi wars?
[11:22]  * popey wonders if anyone here remembers the "12939 drink"
[11:22]  * Hippychick is sitting in her office with the windows shut and her coat on
[11:22] <Hippychick> and im still shivering!!
[11:23] <popey> http://www.worldofspectrum.org/infoseekid.cgi?id=0003126
[11:23] <popey> ^^ the 12939 drink appeared in that game
[11:23] <MartijnVdS> Hippychick: sounds like a fever
[11:23] <popey> http://mercenarysite.free.fr/m1d022.gif
[11:23] <MartijnVdS> Hippychick: or your office is a refrigerator
[11:24] <czajkowski> I refuse to wear socks yet
[11:24] <czajkowski> and not wearing a coat
[11:25] <czajkowski> did buy a small brolly for bag though
[11:25] <MooDoo> i'm still in shorts
[11:25] <davmor2> MooDoo: yeah but your insane so your opinion doesn't count
[11:25] <Hippychick> ive been wearing my coat in the office for the past month
[11:25] <MooDoo> davmor2: thanks for that :)
[11:27] <davmor2> MooDoo: Hey dude I'm here for you ;)
[11:27] <oimon> there was supposed to be a heatwave this week
[11:28] <oimon> yestreday it tipped down with rain, and today is brass monkey
[11:28] <davmor2> oimon: bright sunny and hot here in wolverhampton
[11:28] <oimon> booo
[11:28] <davmor2> oimon: it's not our fault you live in the wrong part of the country :P
[11:29] <Adriannom> is there an easy way to test an xdmcp server, i mean is there a client available like vncviewer?
[11:29] <oimon> every dog has his day
[11:29] <oimon> today is wolverhamptons..
[11:30] <Adriannom> nevermind, got it
[11:35] <danfish> oimon: hot and sunny in Wolverhampton means kids have set fire to the industrial estate again ;)
[11:42] <clare10billion> Hello I can't see detect  wireless access point with my dell mini 9 which is running the latest version of ubuntu. I can however both and detect and joint wirelessly to actual modems/routers. Any ideas what is wrong? Or what I can try to fix it?
[11:44] <gord> clare10billion, yeah hold on, i used to have one of these
[11:44] <davmor2> clare10billion: Have you done a fresh install of Ubuntu?
[11:45] <gord> clare10billion, you need to "sudo apt-get install bcmwl-kernel-source" then restart
[11:45] <gord> that should enable the wifi chipset
[11:45] <clare10billion> yes brand new install
[11:45] <clare10billion> 11.04
[11:45] <clare10billion> works fine with 3 different routers
[11:45] <clare10billion> cant even see access points
[11:46] <clare10billion> really?
[11:47] <davmor2> clare10billion: So connect via the wired connection and then do gords "sudo apt-get install bcmwl-kernel-source" that will install the wireless driver that your hardware needs to connect
[11:48] <clare10billion> okay will give it a shot....
[11:48] <davmor2> clare10billion: once that is done reboot and then you chould have wireless again
[11:50] <oimon> http://www.dir.qmul.ac.uk/cn%3DI%20Dickson%2Cou%3DBlizard%20Institute%2Co%3DQueen%20Mary
[11:50] <oimon> sorry wrong window
[11:54] <clare10billion> no apparently I already have the newest version.
[11:54] <clare10billion> The weird thing is that It can connect to actual modem routers fine but can't even detect the wireless access points
[11:55] <clare10billion> It's like its not even trying
[11:55] <davmor2> clare10billion: Daft question but the wireless is switched on right?
[11:55] <clare10billion> yes I checked
[11:55] <clare10billion> I keep on thinking I am going mad
[11:56] <clare10billion> so I went to the room where the router lives
[11:56] <clare10billion> connects on automatically
[11:56] <clare10billion> also Im currently connected to the wireless access point in question with a different computer so its working fine as well
[11:56] <gord> oh so the wifi works sometimes but not with the ap's?
[11:57] <clare10billion> yes exactly
[11:57] <davmor2> gord: over to you dude
[11:58] <clare10billion> really frustrating because apart from the wireless annoyance I'm really enjoying my new 2nd hand mini and using abuntu again after a good time away
[11:58] <clare10billion> much slicker than when I left
[11:58] <gord> ah no, my experience with the dell mini's stops at connecting to a single wifi, never tried with multiple AP's
[11:59] <clare10billion> ach well im sure I'll find a solution somewhere
[12:01] <dogmatic69> anyone here ever used a vinyl cutter/plotter on ubuntu? i got one of these and looking for direction in getting it working http://tinyurl.com/3j7u7kh
[12:01] <dogmatic69> does not seem like many people got them working before :/
[12:02] <Adriannom> is there any thin client or remote connection protocol that allows you to switch users on the remote machine?
[12:02] <dogmatic69> Adriannom: ssh?
[12:03] <Adriannom> graphical
[12:04] <oimon> i'm not sure switching users is a concept when speaking about about remote connections
[12:04] <oimon> because you can have multiple sessions when using remote sessions
[12:06] <Adriannom> oimon, just trying to connect a thin client to a vm so that people can switch users so that i don't lose my opened stuff if someone else borrows it, for instance
[12:07] <popey> dogmatic69: what ports does it have?
[12:07] <dogmatic69> popey: usb
[12:07] <dogmatic69> also com iirc
[12:07] <popey> do you know what protocols it supports?
[12:07] <dogmatic69> was reading about using a generic printer + raw output setting might work
[12:07] <popey> i know some HP plotters have a language which is pretty easy to understand
[12:08] <popey> I wrote some many years back
[12:08] <dogmatic69> from what i have read on the internet its standard plotter stuff, not gcode
[12:08] <popey> right
[12:09] <oimon> Adriannom: i use freenx for what you are describing
[12:09] <oimon> i can suspend remote sessions etc
[12:09] <Adriannom> googling
[12:09] <dogmatic69> popey:  HP/GL or something like that
[12:09] <oimon> Adriannom: also the performance is amazing
[12:10] <Adriannom> sounds interesting
[12:11] <Adriannom> oimon, need a freenx client?
[12:11] <oimon> yes
[12:11] <Adriannom> cause my thin client doesn't have one :(
[12:11] <Adriannom> it's a wyse s50
[12:12] <Adriannom> only supports ica, rdp, ssh, tec, xdmcp, vnc, and possibly some others with addons
[12:13] <Adriannom> damn
[12:16] <popey> thats it dogmatic69
[12:16] <popey> HP/GL is easy to code
[12:16] <dogmatic69> so if it is that, drivers should be available?
[12:17] <popey> driver?
[12:17] <dogmatic69> what ever it needs to work on ubuntu
[12:17] <popey> throw HPGL code at the serial port, watch it fly :D
[12:17] <dogmatic69> svg -> hpgl converter
[12:17] <dogmatic69> nice
[12:17] <popey> that would be nice
[12:17] <popey> tux plot?
[12:18] <popey> http://www.securetech-ns.ca/camm-linux.html
[12:18] <dogmatic69> ive seen this tux plot all over. ill install that tonight and see what it does
[12:18]  * dogmatic69 hopes to plug it in and print :)
[12:21] <popey> :D
[12:22] <dogmatic69> installing tuxplot now at work, holly cow that is some dependency list...
[12:22] <daubers> urgh, it's only 20 past 1 and it already feels like thursday
[12:23] <dogmatic69> daubers: when i woke up and saw it was tuesday, i thought wtf
[12:30] <oimon> does anyone know how i can go about getting a domain that is due to expire?
[12:30] <oimon> there seem to be services that do it for you at a price
[12:30] <popey> indeed there are
[12:31] <oimon> do domains tend to get snapped up at 00:01 or something
[12:31] <popey> yes, if they're popular
[12:31] <oimon> i have my eye on one that is suspended currently and may pop up for general availability
[12:31] <popey> there's an industry of people running servers which pounce at 00:00.00001
[12:31] <oimon> ugh
[12:31]  * oimon wonders how he can pounce
[12:32] <davmor2> czajkowski: thanks for cheap flights hahahaha
[12:32] <popey> they even worry about the latency to dns servers
[12:32] <popey> so try to get servers in the same DC to beat other people to the punch
[12:33] <oimon> this all sounds rather sucky for the man in the street
[12:33] <popey> ya
[12:34]  * Hippychick wonders which domaint oimon wants so she can buy it and sell it to him at a premium
[12:34] <Hippychick> :P
[12:34] <oimon> sjdfoisjfoisej fios jefoisesfs.f com
[12:36] <popey> i tried to get a domain when i first started my company, but unfortunately some goit got it the day after I checked if it was available
[12:36] <popey> i suspect foul play
[12:36] <popey> then he sold it on sedo
[12:36] <oimon> hmm
[12:37] <oimon> i'm seeing conflicting information regarding the length of time before it's available generally
[12:41] <dogmatic69> oimon: i think you can go on a waiting list somewhere
[12:41] <popey> oooo kindle tablet announcement next week
[12:41] <dogmatic69> and the registrar normally has a 30 grace period
[12:48] <oimon> dogmatic69: yeah, that's passed, now it's suspended stage
[12:48] <dogmatic69> ah
[12:48] <dogmatic69> you could just tell us the domain .. :)
[12:48] <dogmatic69> well can all help
[12:49] <popey> heh
[12:49] <oimon> dogfishbanana.com
[12:49] <popey> lies
[12:49] <oimon> it's not of any commercial interest but it's a cute domain name i want
[12:50] <oimon> i think it's more because i can't get it that i want it
[12:51] <popey> i wanted po.pe
[12:51] <oimon> did that bloke in a hat and dress get it?
[12:51] <dogmatic69> seems available
[12:51] <popey> heh
[12:52] <popey> nah, has to be 3 chars long
[12:52] <dogmatic69> http://pi.pe/
[12:53] <popey> bah!
[12:53] <dogmatic69> according to that, not
[12:53]  * popey rummages
[12:53]  * dogmatic69 finds .pe registrar 
[12:53] <oimon> the race is on
[12:54] <oimon> http://whois.domaintools.com/po.pe
[12:54] <dogmatic69> :/
[12:54] <popey> yeah
[12:55] <dogmatic69> his name is not even popey
[12:55] <popey> http://two.vg/list.html?ext=pe&mode=
[12:57] <MartijnVdS> popey: mo.pe is already in use
[12:58] <dogmatic69> that is a cool list, all the registrars should have that
[12:58] <oimon> what does Status: Locked mean?
[12:58] <oimon> on a domain that hasn't expired yet
[12:59] <popey> ou.st is available
[12:59] <AlanBell> means it can't be transferred easily
[12:59] <davmor2> popey: how about going for "therealpo.pe" instead?
[12:59] <popey> too long
[13:00] <davmor2> popey: impo.pe?
[13:00] <dogmatic69> popey: mail the guy and offer him £50
[13:01] <oimon> isn't there a .uk domain coming?
[13:01] <Daviey> oimon: there has been a .uk TLD since time began.
[13:02] <dogmatic69> oimon: was that not already done?
[13:02] <dogmatic69> oimon: wikipedia says "As of August 2011, it is the fourth most popular top-level domain worldwide"
[13:02] <dogmatic69> .uk ^
[13:03] <oimon> obviously TLD so that co.uk and org.uk can exist, but are the option to get website.uk coming?
[13:03] <Daviey> oimon: lobby nominet.
[13:03] <oimon> it's not really a big deal for me
[13:03] <dogmatic69> oimon: .me.uk is new i think
[13:04] <oimon> i don't find danica patrick very attractive
[13:04] <oimon> she is on every godaddy page ever
[13:06] <dogmatic69> most the images of her on google looks like a man in a dress
[13:07] <oimon> wow there's a big difference between some pics and the ridiculously airbrushed godaddy one.
[13:08] <oimon> there's a tube advert with her on it at bethnal green tube, and her legs don't meet at the top..photoshop fail
[13:08] <dogmatic69> lol
[13:10]  * bigcalm swears at VM
[13:11] <MartijnVdS> (Illegal copy of VMWare? VMWarez!)
[13:11] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: Virgin Media more realistically
[13:11] <bigcalm> Picked up a wireless kb and mouse from Lidl today for a penny under 20 quid. Very nice feel and pretty much silent (except for the space). This should please Hayley
[13:12] <dogmatic69> bigcalm: till the batteries are flat
[13:12] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: I swear at virtual machines more ;)
[13:12] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: I have rechargeables and tend to change them 3+ months apart
[13:13] <oimon> i found a way to stop wireless keyboard batteries going flat...attach a wire to the usb port of the pc
[13:13] <bigcalm> `.`
[13:14] <davmor2> oimon: You Muppet
[13:14] <oimon> :D
[13:14] <oimon> at your service
[13:15] <davmor2> oimon: http://instantrimshot.com/index.php?sound=rimshot&play=true
[13:22] <bigcalm> GAH!
[13:23] <davmor2> bigcalm: What you done now?
[13:30] <bigcalm> Who do I have to sacrifice to appease the VM gods?
[13:30] <oimon> your cable for ADSL
[13:30] <MartijnVdS> a virgin chicken
[13:31] <bigcalm> I get 30mb with cable, I'd get 5mb with ADSL
[13:32] <oimon> managed to remove the bad smell from my room by removing a carpet that had electrical plug juice leaked onto it :D
[13:32] <gord> do you really need 30mb though?
[13:32] <gord> i'd rather have a slower, stable connection than a faster one that falls over all day
[13:33] <bigcalm> I do. When VM works, it work very well indeed. When it stops, it's a pita
[13:33] <bigcalm> Of course it only happens during day time when most people are meant to be at work away from home. Buggers like me who work from home annoy the tech support lines
[13:34] <oimon> bigcalm: how do you find WFH?
[13:34] <davmor2> bigcalm: Let me guess it's an issue with High demand in the area?
[13:34] <davmor2> oimon: great
[13:35] <oimon> not sure if i would go a bit mad
[13:35] <bigcalm> davmor2: I haven't phoned them yet today. And it's never due to high demand. They are fairly straightforward in their responses
[13:35]  * davmor2 tic don't know what you mean tic
[13:36] <bigcalm> oimon: hard work. I used to work in an office. I really miss the human interaction
[13:36] <oimon> canonical have an opening that would suit me just right, but its a WFH
[13:36] <davmor2> bigcalm: you mean you get sensible people
[13:37] <bigcalm> Humm?
[13:38] <davmor2> bigcalm: whenever I ring I spend 10 minutes explaining that the issue is there end and not mine,  then they finally look and say oh yeah
[13:38] <bigcalm> davmor2: ah, I see
[13:39] <bigcalm> Maybe I get lucky or say the right things
[13:39] <bigcalm> davmor2: we're both connected to the 1st level of wolv. How often do you get connection problems?
[13:41] <davmor2> bigcalm: Oh there up and down like yoyo's.  I get slow down at  lunch and when the kids get home morning is normally fine
[13:41] <bigcalm> Have you forked out for the Tivo option?
[13:41] <bigcalm> I keep pondering it now and then
[13:41] <davmor2> bigcalm: Have I boat
[13:42] <bigcalm> I don't know, do you have a boat?
[13:42] <davmor2> bigcalm: That gets a 10gig service and they can't keep the service they have up
[13:44] <bigcalm> Ah. Yeah, the 100mb service sounds nice but I doubt that it'd be any more reliable
[13:46] <davmor2> bigcalm: on the 30meg do you still get restricted to 5meg if you hit your download limit on the unlimited service ;)
[13:46] <bigcalm> davmor2: no idea, I don't shift a lot of data about
[13:53] <MooDoo> davmor2: is the king of pr0n so he shifts a lot of daya
[13:53] <bigcalm> ;)
[13:53] <bigcalm> Data porn? That's just wrong
[13:53] <bigcalm> Moving swiftly along
[13:54] <davmor2> MooDoo: Have you seen Ryzom 2.1 gig of download then there is the constant bzr updates then there is czajkowski posting funny songs on youtube and it's rude not to take a look
[13:54] <oimon> bigcalm: good to hear the flip side of WFH..everyone i ask says its amazing..but they are ones who do it already
[13:55] <MooDoo> davmor2: damn that czajkowski ;)
[13:55] <davmor2> MooDoo: Indeed!
[13:55] <bigcalm> oimon: I've just started my 3rd year of working from home. Still takes a lot of will power to concentrate
[13:55] <bigcalm> Being on IRC doesn't help ;)
[13:56] <MooDoo> davmor2: as lovely as she is, she's posts to many awesome distracting things lol ;)
[13:57] <oimon> bigcalm: i also have a small child who i would hear downstairs going "DADA!"
[13:57] <bigcalm> I could do with having a cat for company
[13:57] <davmor2> bigcalm: I found the dedicated office helps.  Once I'm in there I'm at work do not disturb.
[13:57] <MooDoo> davmor2: now we have 2 kids, we're extending and i get a dedicated office :D
[13:58] <oimon> i have my own office at work but go for a wander every hour or so to see people
[13:58] <bigcalm> I have the small bedroom as my office. I'm at work in here
[13:58] <davmor2> bigcalm: that's the one :)
[13:59] <davmor2> by the way bigcalm we are trying to sort out a workshare at the lighthouse in wolvo would you be interested in turning up?
[14:00] <bigcalm> What would that involve?
[14:02] <davmor2> bigcalm: THe lighthouse have basic office for the public, they make their wireless available for us and we work from there for the day,  means you get out your house/flat once a month
[14:03] <davmor2> and see people :)
[14:03] <bigcalm> Aha
[14:03] <bigcalm> If it's not a every day thing, then yes. I think I would
[14:03] <popey> i discovered recently that if you're in the FBS you can use regus offices
[14:04] <bigcalm> davmor2: What sort of cost?
[14:04] <davmor2> bigcalm: we all have too many meetings to attend to make it a regular thing
[14:05] <davmor2> bigcalm: I think we just use there facilities,  ie cafe for food etc,  but if you're interested once we get all the details I'll let you know
[14:06] <bigcalm> davmor2: very interested
[14:06] <bigcalm> davmor2: trying to work out the travel time from TF10 now
[14:07] <davmor2> bigcalm: it's about a minutes walk from the train station if that helps
[14:07] <bigcalm> Oh, get the train instead
[14:07] <bigcalm> Hunn
[14:07] <bigcalm> Humm
[14:07] <bigcalm> There is a direct train from Telford Central to Wolv
[14:08] <bigcalm> 34 mins by car
[14:09] <davmor2> bigcalm: Yeah it's not far to Telford
[14:12] <bigcalm> 5.60 for a single taking 17 - 28 mins. Train it is then
[14:12] <czajkowski> mail sent re cd allocation
[14:12] <czajkowski> AlanBell: ^^
[14:14] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jonathan Riddell] qbzr with curves - http://blogs.kde.org/node/4485
[14:14] <AlanBell> czajkowski: the form still says Natty
[14:14] <bigcalm> Hayley works pretty much next to the train station, so wouldn't have to pay for parking. Quite an exciting prospect this now :)
[14:14] <oimon> any latex users? a user is complaining that kile is not picking up his classes in ~/texmf/
[14:14] <czajkowski> AlanBell: I can't help that
[14:14] <czajkowski> fill in the form will ya
[14:15] <AlanBell> request submitted
[14:15] <czajkowski> updating the wiki to keep mr. AlanBell happy
[14:19] <czajkowski> :)
[14:19] <MooDoo> czajkowski: creep ;)
[14:21]  * AlanBell wonders whether to point out the multiple Natty references and date in April on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoGettingCds
[14:23] <popey> It *is* a wiki.
[14:23]  * AlanBell fixors
[14:23] <AlanBell> apart from the date which I don't know
[14:23]  * czajkowski peers at AlanBell 
[14:24] <AlanBell> I guessed Oct 1st as the deadline for pre-orders
[14:25] <czajkowski> no date was set alan
[14:26] <AlanBell> yeah, but "22nd of April 2011" looked a bit silly
[14:26]  * AlanBell hugs czajkowski for putting up with pedantic people
[14:31] <czajkowski> it's fine really
[15:05] <davmor2> AlanBell: Oi watch who you call pedantic ;)
[15:09] <davmor2> AlanBell: by now you should know that czajkowski has the patients of a saint me and MooDoo are both still alive :D
[15:18] <MooDoo> davmor2: well i don't know about you but i rather adore czajkowski :)
[15:18] <Azelphur> anyone know how I can generate a .patch on some code I modified? :)
[15:18] <Azelphur> there's no version control
[15:19] <bigcalm> Using diff
[15:19] <bigcalm> http://jungels.net/articles/diff-patch-ten-minutes.html
[15:19] <Azelphur> $ diff gameq_new gameq
[15:19] <Azelphur> Common subdirectories: gameq_new/GameQ and gameq/GameQ
[15:19] <Azelphur> :(
[15:19] <Azelphur> ah, ty
[15:20] <bigcalm> You're welcome :)
[15:23] <Azelphur> there we go, added some shiny https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=3414481&group_id=85130&atid=575058 \o/
[15:25] <Azelphur> popey: you might be interested in ^, GameQ is a PHP Library to query game servers, just added minecraft support to it. :)
[16:02] <oimon> guys, where is the save game data for steam games like HL2 stored?
[16:02] <oimon> about to wipe a disk and just need the hl2 save game
[16:04] <ali1234> c:\users\<user>\
[16:04] <directhex> oimon, c:\program files (x86)\steam\steamapps\STEAMID\hl2\ ?
[16:04] <directhex> it's not "steam games" sharing a common location, each game does its own thing
[16:05] <ali1234> oh yeah i forgot i dn't have the steam version of hl2
[16:06] <ali1234> and i don't think it uses the prfile anyway
[16:06] <oimon> hmm doesn't seem to be there...think i'll hang on till tomorrow and not rush it :D
[16:06] <oimon> thanks
[16:08] <directhex> oimon, you sure? pretty sure i'm right. some long-dead neurons are sparking a bit
[16:08] <directhex> http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showthread.php?148098-Formatting-my-pc-where-is-the-HL2-saved-games&s=c857839daab8cca4ac2a22154bb36828&p=2791104#post2791104 agrees
[16:08] <ali1234> my saves are at program files\half-life 2\hl2\save
[16:09] <ali1234> none steam version as i said
[16:11] <gord> isn't hl2 saved in the cloud now?
[16:16] <directhex> gord, not sure. hard to check. as "steam cloud" middleware covers many things
[16:17] <directhex> in theory though, yes, officially hl2 is a steam cloud item
[16:17] <gord> i remember it being advertised as omgosh you can play on your pc, then go to your mac and resume from where you left off!
[16:19] <directhex> yeah, theory.
[16:19] <directhex> officially 232 games include steam cloud support
[16:20] <directhex> sorry, make that "232 steam store entries"
[16:20] <directhex> so some dlc marks itself as steam cloud for no good reason
[16:20] <directhex> 151 games.
[16:21] <directhex> but don't believe what you read online - e.g. Doom 2 is marked as steam cloud.
[16:22] <directhex> i.e. "game details" section of http://store.steampowered.com/app/2300/
[17:12] <tonytiger> It's podcast night!
[17:17] <JGJones> ali1234, you can add your hard copy of HL2 to Steam - just enter the serial number and it'll be added to your Steam account.
[17:20] <ali1234> why would i want to turn a physical, unrevokable copy of the game into a drm'd copy that can be taken away at any time?
[17:20] <JGJones> You still have the physical copy.
[17:20] <JGJones> You just get another copy within Steam itself.
[17:21] <JGJones> as DRM goes...Steam compared to others isn't too bad, but yeah the risk is always there, but adding a serial number to Steam doesn't take away your physical copy - your DVD doesn't burst into flames like Mission Impossible :D
[17:21] <MartijnVdS> .. yet
[17:22] <directhex> i've bought DVD-case-sized cd keys before. left 4 dead, fallout new vegas, dawn of war 2 chaos, etc
[17:22] <ali1234> but the dvd won't work without the serial
[17:22] <directhex> those cd keys go into steam, and the cd key case goes on the shelf
[17:22] <directhex> i think they come with a free hand-sized mirror too
[17:23] <MartijnVdS> yeah with a hole in the middle so you don't have to stare at yourself
[17:23] <directhex> MartijnVdS, that's the jobby
[17:23] <directhex> i've also repurchased games on steam i own physical copies of, for the convenience of not needing a disc
[17:25] <MartijnVdS> directhex: I purchase music like that
[17:25] <MartijnVdS> directhex: they come in small boxes as well, with a similar mirror
[17:25] <directhex> oh, i wonder what's on sale today on steam...
[17:26] <directhex> hmph. Driver 4.
[17:27] <directhex> and the extremely poorly rated D&D daggerdale
[18:14] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Eric Ward Joining the Community Team at Canonical - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/09/27/eric-ward-joining-the-community-team-at-canonical/
[18:20] <dogmatic69_> o/
[18:20] <MartijnVdS> \o
[18:20] <dogmatic69_> popey, you about tonight?
[18:20] <dogmatic69_> hey MartijnVdS
[18:20]  * dogmatic69_ is fighting with a vinyl cutter
[18:21] <MartijnVdS> http://www.vinylrecorder.com/cutter.html ?
[18:22] <dogmatic69_> nope, stickers
[18:23] <dogmatic69_> i dont have anything like /dev/usb/lp0
[18:23] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69_: what do you have?
[18:23] <MartijnVdS> /dev/ttyUSB0/
[18:23] <MartijnVdS> ?
[18:24] <dogmatic69_> got that one
[18:24] <dogmatic69_> should that be the printer uri?
[18:24] <MartijnVdS> so it's serial, not parallel.. or you have some other USB serial device :)
[18:24] <dogmatic69_> i think its serial
[18:25] <MartijnVdS> and you're configuring CUPS?
[18:25] <MartijnVdS> using the GUI?
[18:25] <dogmatic69_> cups?
[18:26] <MartijnVdS> the printer stuff
[18:26] <dogmatic69_> ye admin->printers or something like that
[18:26] <MartijnVdS> yes that one
[18:27] <dogmatic69_> ive added as generic, raw printer as per the 100 blogs ive read
[18:27] <Azelphur> http://www.eqdkp-plus.com/forum/post69394.html#p69394 am I right here? :p
[18:27] <Azelphur> gpl licensing fun :D
[18:28] <dogmatic69_> lsusb shows the thing in the list
[18:28] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69_: so it's /dev/ttyUSB0 (unless you know you have another device, like a 3G dongle)
[18:29] <dogmatic69_> the printer is the only thing attached atm
[18:29] <dogmatic69_> i cant use /dev/ttyUSB0 as the uri
[18:30] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69_: in the "Add printer" dialog, there should be several options
[18:30] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69_: one to detect a printer, one for network printers
[18:30] <MartijnVdS> and one for "parallel", "USB" and "serial" printers
[18:30] <dogmatic69_> it has other and network
[18:30] <MartijnVdS> oh wait
[18:30] <gord>  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6r-kNct630 - ha itv used game footage and claimed it was real
[18:30] <MartijnVdS> mine has "Serial port #1", "URI" and "Network"
[18:31] <dogmatic69_> :S
[18:31] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69_: try "serial:/dev/ttyUSB0"
[18:32] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69_: maybe ?baud=speed_here (with "speed_here" replaced by the speed, like 9600 or 115200)
[18:32] <MartijnVdS> there are some other options for start/stop bits and parity
[18:32] <MartijnVdS> those should be googleable
[18:33] <dogmatic69_> it says idle...
[18:33] <MartijnVdS> sounds right -- no jobs?
[18:34] <dogmatic69_> ye
[18:34] <Azelphur> anyone know where I'd get a desk like this? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/screenshots/September%202011/2011-09-27-191348_619x410_scrot.png
[18:34] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: Ikea?
[18:34] <dogmatic69_> MartijnVdS, ok, printed something and now says... idle... unable to open /dev/ttyUSB0
[18:34] <dogmatic69_> permission denied
[18:35] <dogmatic69_> in the printer properties page that is
[18:35] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69_: you'll have to make sure CUPS can open the serial device..
[18:35] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69_: check (ls -l /dev/ttyUSB0)
[18:35] <dogmatic69_> crw-rw---- 1 root dialout 188, 0 2011-09-27 19:02 /dev/ttyUSB0
[18:36] <dogmatic69_> sudo chown me:me ?
[18:36] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: found something sorta similar on ikea, the thing I worry about is the strength
[18:36] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: http://www.key.co.uk/desks-drawers_c_Main015001.html
[18:36] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: I dunno if you remember what my setup is, but there's a hell of a lot of weight on my desk
[18:36] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: ^ try the key one
[18:36] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69_: not you:you
[18:37] <dogmatic69_> chmod a+r/w
[18:37] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69_: that should work, or chgrp to a group the printer stuff is in.. let mecheck
[18:37] <dogmatic69_> is there a specific user for the printer stuff
[18:37] <dogmatic69_> ok, thanks
[18:37] <dogmatic69_> it feels like this is going to work...
[18:37] <MartijnVdS> Just make it chmod 666 for now
[18:38] <MartijnVdS> that should work in the short term
[18:42] <dogmatic69_> still saying the same thing
[18:42] <dogmatic69_> even tried 777
[18:42] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69_: and if  you restart cups? (sudo restart cups)
[18:43] <brobostigon> service?
[18:43] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: not needed anymore -- man restart :)
[18:43] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: oh, interesting.
[18:44] <MartijnVdS> (I'm on oneiric, this might be New®)
[18:44] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: let me try that here in debian unstable.
[18:44] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: it's an upstart thing I think
[18:44] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: oh, ohwell.
[18:44] <dogmatic69_> MartijnVdS, hmmm no errors now
[18:44] <dogmatic69_> but nothing :D
[18:45] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69_: improvement!
[18:47] <dogmatic69_> MartijnVdS, after printing, the job goes in the queue and then after a bit its gone
[18:47]  * brobostigon still uses/used /etc/init.d/* start/stop/restart , now, and even inside ubuntu, still.
[18:47] <dogmatic69_> printing to my invisible paper atm...
[18:47] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69_: now you need to figure out which driver/protocol to use
[18:47] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69_: what kind of printer is it?
[18:47] <dogmatic69_> MartijnVdS, im using tuxplot
[18:48] <MartijnVdS> ah
[18:48] <MartijnVdS> no idea then :)
[18:48] <dogmatic69_> its a vinyl cutter/plotter
[18:48]  * MartijnVdS points in the general direction of popey 
[18:48] <dogmatic69_> its like hp/something protocol
[18:48] <MartijnVdS> HP/GL
[18:48] <dogmatic69_> :)
[18:48] <dogmatic69_> that is the one
[18:48] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69_: but does that need a CUPS printer/driver though?
[18:49] <dogmatic69_> well if its not there, tux does not see it
[18:49] <dogmatic69_> ive watched some tuts saying install printer driver then use tux
[18:49] <MartijnVdS> OK which driver do the tutorials say you should use? :)
[18:50] <MartijnVdS> It could be a speed/start/stop/parity problem
[18:50] <MartijnVdS> (9600/4800/115200, 8n1, etc.)
[18:50] <dogmatic69_> it says add a printer generic then raw
[18:50] <dogmatic69_> i dont know where i would get that info though
[18:50] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69_: manufacturer, or windows driver
[18:51] <dogmatic69_> he, its a chines machine and the windows driver is in that 'safe place'
[18:52] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69_: nothing available on the internets?
[18:52] <MartijnVdS> no info at all?
[18:52] <dogmatic69_> gonna find the name of it and check around a bit
[18:52] <dogmatic69_> lsusb has Bus 002 Device 005: ID 1a86:5523 QinHeng Electronics CH341 in serial mode, usb to serial port converter
[18:53] <dogmatic69_> that comes up for linux kernal in google
[18:53] <MartijnVdS> that's just the USB to Serial converter they've soldered to it :)
[18:53] <popey> hmm?
[18:53] <popey> podcasting tonight
[18:53] <popey> so not about much
[18:53] <MartijnVdS> oh yeah forgot about that :)
[18:55] <dogmatic69_> MartijnVdS, its one of these http://tinyurl.com/6fkncsv
[18:58] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69_: which one? 631, 801, 1261?
[18:58] <dogmatic69_> i belive its the 631
[18:58] <dogmatic69_> http://forum.ukcutter.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=4
[18:58] <dogmatic69_> that looks good
[18:59] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69_: ah, 9600,8n1 :)
[18:59] <dogmatic69_> so how would i define that :)
[18:59] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69_: so add "?baud=9600" to the end of the URI
[18:59] <MartijnVdS> serial:/dev/ttyUSB0?baud=9600
[18:59] <dogmatic69_> and the 8n1
[18:59] <MartijnVdS> that's default
[19:00] <MartijnVdS> but there must be options, lmgtfy ;)
[19:00] <MartijnVdS> baud=9600+bits=8+parity=none+flow=hard+
[19:00] <MartijnVdS> uhr
[19:00] <MartijnVdS> without the + at the end
[19:00] <MartijnVdS> http://www.cups.org/doc-1.1/sdd.html#3_1_4
[19:02] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: could you ping me when you have a few minutes free tomorrow?  I'd like to discuss Minecraft... My son wants to buy it and "I know nothing" ;-)
[19:02] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: sure
[19:02] <TheOpenSourcerer> ty
[19:11] <dogmatic69_> MartijnVdS, still no luck :/
[19:12] <mgdm> Is anyone here running Natty 64-bit, with Google Chrome from the official repo, and has a working Flash?
[19:13] <MartijnVdS> yes
[19:13] <MartijnVdS> oh
[19:13] <MartijnVdS> oneiric here
[19:13] <mgdm> I can't get it to work
[19:13] <mgdm> I thought it was meant to be bundled, too
[19:15] <mgdm> The 64-bit package hasn't got libgcflashplayer.so, but the 32-bit one does
[19:15] <mgdm> Gah.
[19:15] <MartijnVdS> flash isn't bundled in chrome for me
[19:15] <MartijnVdS> It's using the system-installed one
[19:16] <MartijnVdS> PDF works though
[19:17] <dogmatic69_> MartijnVdS, i think i found the issue... maybe it should be parallel data going there, not serial
[19:17] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69_: if it shows up to the system as serial, it's serial
[19:17] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69_: also, data is data :)
[19:20] <dogmatic69_> the printer has tiny text by the usb saying parallel
[19:20] <MartijnVdS> maybe a switch?
[19:20]  * MartijnVdS has no idea, sorry
[19:21] <davmor2> bigcalm: what you doing next Thursday 6th of Oct if I'm looking right that will be the first once we have confirmation that the bulk of us are free 2 out of 4 so far :)
[19:23] <bigcalm> davmor2: as long as I get wifi, I can do any day really. So 6th Oct is good for me
[19:23] <bigcalm> What do you call these things?
[19:24] <mgdm> How do I fix the flashplugin-installer package in natty? It 404s
[19:24] <davmor2> bigcalm: that's one of the things I'm going to go up there and confirm as we all need it, but they have said as long as we let them know they'll make sure that everything we need it there
[19:25] <davmor2> bigcalm: Just a workspace day I guess unless we come up with something snappier
[19:25] <bigcalm> That's good enough for me for now ;) Wanted to put something in my google calendar
[19:26]  * czajkowski hugs davmor2 
[19:26] <czajkowski> hows my favourite
[19:26]  * davmor2 runs off screaming in despair
[19:26] <davmor2> czajkowski: Good thanks you?
[19:27] <bigcalm> davmor2: you have to worry when czajkowski is being nice
[19:27] <czajkowski> davmor2: I'm great so gald to see you happy my dear
[19:27] <davmor2> bigcalm: no normally just means she is after something
[19:27] <bigcalm> :D
[19:27] <bigcalm> Hi czajkowski :)
[19:28] <bigcalm> davmor2: what arrival/departure times are you looking at for the place? Can you tell that I've never done such things before?
[19:29] <davmor2> bigcalm: normal work hours for me it will be 9→6 ish maybe a bit earlier
[19:29] <bigcalm> Gotcha
[19:29] <bigcalm> My hours are 9->6 as well, but wondered if different hours were expected
[19:30] <davmor2> bigcalm: no that'll be the norm
[19:30] <bigcalm> And the venue is light-house.co.uk ?
[19:30] <mgdm> \o/ it works
[19:30] <mgdm> Byebye Firefox
[19:30] <dogmatic69_> omfg, its printing
[19:30] <bigcalm> mgdm: not a web developer any more? :P
[19:30] <davmor2> bigcalm: yeap
[19:30] <dogmatic69_> MartijnVdS, thanks a lot!
[19:31] <mgdm> bigcalm: chrome's dev tools are pretty good, IMO
[19:31] <dogmatic69_> i switched ports, then printer-> add showed serial#1 or something, now it works
[19:32] <davmor2> bigcalm: just to confirm it's right around the corner from the trainstation if you look on google maps
[19:32] <davmor2> bigcalm: or indeed openstreet map
[19:32] <bigcalm> Hehe
[19:33] <bigcalm> Cheers
[19:33] <jacobw> dogmatic69_: http://theoatmeal.com/comics/printers
[19:33] <dogmatic69_> hehe
[19:39] <bigcalm> Whistling along with Alpha Beta Gaga while trying not to whistle along with Alpha Beta Gaga
[19:44]  * mgdm considers recompiling Pidgin without the 'attention' button and associated keyboard shortcut
[19:53] <jacobw> mgdm: i think there's a ppa for that..
[19:53] <mgdm> jacobw: oooo
[19:55] <jacobw> mgdm: lots of people don't like it
[19:55] <mgdm> I'm not surprised
[20:05] <bigcalm> Is that the one that shakes your recipient's window?
[20:05] <mgdm> Yeah
[20:05] <bigcalm> Eugh
[20:07] <jacobw> fry's planet word
[20:08] <jacobw> \o/
[20:08] <jacobw> i like it when he's talking about something understands :)
[20:08]  * jacobw hides from unconditional fry lovers
[20:32] <dogmatic69_> still having some issues with printing here, its working sporadically. sometimes nothing, other times works :/
[20:40] <bigcalm> Thinking it might be cheaper to buy a new watch than it is to buy a new strap :(
[20:48] <jacobw> bigcalm: http://pathfinder.casio.com/features/
[20:48] <jacobw> you need one of these
[20:48] <jacobw> a watch with an altimeter and a barometer!
[20:49] <bigcalm> I'm assuming that the content is all flash as I get just a white blank area :)
[20:56] <jacobw> ah
[20:56] <jacobw> yeah
[21:14] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Ubuntu 11.04 Covered By CNN-IBN in India - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/09/27/ubuntu-11-04-covered-by-cnn-india/
[21:17] <bigcalm> console.log("here:" + $j('.offPeakCostTotal', tableScope).val());
[21:17] <bigcalm> Well, that wasn't intentional
[21:22] <bigcalm> What does f2 do in firefox?
[21:50] <Guest91681> hi, does anyone know hot to put a classic bar on unity? One bar where we can see the programs we have open
[21:51] <ali1234> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-15082177 anyone got a link to the video?
[21:51] <ali1234> Guest91681: you can't
[21:51] <ali1234> switch to classic desktop
[21:51] <ali1234> btw, classic will be removed in the next version
[21:51] <Guest91681> really?
[21:51] <Guest91681> only unity then?
[21:51] <ali1234> unity, gnome shell or kde
[21:52] <Guest91681> and what about ubuntu studio?
[21:52] <ali1234> i dunno
[21:55] <Guest91681> gnome shell looks very strange
[21:55] <ali1234> that's because it is
[21:56] <ali1234> kde is the only one that is actually workable
[21:56] <ali1234> it also happens to be the ugliest one
[21:57] <ali1234> but if you can put up with that, or don't notice it it is fine
[21:58] <Guest91681> true
[21:58] <ali1234> if you need something that has a halfway decent theme then xfce is probably the best choice
[21:58] <ali1234> unfortunately feature-wise xfce is roughly equivalent to gnome 1.x
[21:59] <ali1234> everything else has severe usability issues
[22:04] <ali1234> if i had the time i'd make a kde setup that was good
[22:04] <ali1234> i tried it before but after 2 weeks i didn't really get anywhere
[22:04] <ali1234> it would involve rewriting most of the font handling, and making a whole new desktop system in plasma
[22:04] <ali1234> i think when 11.10 comes out i'll switch to kde anyway
[22:05] <ali1234> been using unity for 6 months now, none of the bugs have been fixed, and the next version looks even worse
[22:14] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Laura Czajkowski] Frustrations of job hunting - http://www.lczajkowski.com/2011/09/27/frustrations-of-job-hunting/
[22:24] <mgdm> i don't remember openOffice being as stupid as LibreOffice is in handling multiple screens :/
[22:25] <hamitron> I'm never using LibreOffice again
[22:25] <hamitron> I tried it, and it wouldn't uninstall on windows
[22:25] <hamitron> ;)
[22:26] <mgdm> This is on Natty
[22:28] <ali1234> works fine here
[22:48] <Guest91681> ok here with compiz aswell
[22:52] <Guest91681> is therto open complex excell documents on libre?e a way
[22:53] <ali1234> file->open
[22:53] <ali1234> if it doesn't work, forget it
[22:54] <Guest91681> tx ali
[22:54] <Guest91681> well nn alll :)