[01:32] <c_smith> yay! finally got a working Samba share! :D
[01:33] <c_smith> the previous attempt I made, Windows couldn't connect, don't know about other Linux or Macs, but Windows at least can now connect.
[01:37] <nathwill> haha! andoirc ftw!
[01:39] <nathwill> we'll see how long the battery lasts like this
[02:07] <c_smith> I have 2 high capacity batteries for this laptop, one is from my mother when she got rid of her laptop which thankfully was the same model as this one.
[06:37] <bkerensa> OpenBox come to me!
[06:37] <bkerensa> :D
[14:11] <nathwill> morning all
[15:45] <bkerensa> Hey Nathwill
[15:45] <bkerensa> OpenBox ftw
[15:45] <bkerensa> :P
[15:45] <nathwill> yeah?
[15:45] <bkerensa> across the boad
[15:46] <bkerensa> :D
[15:46] <nathwill> it's pretty sweet once you get the rc.xml and the menu.xml set up the way you like it :D
[15:46] <bkerensa> Ubuntu Server Base with OpenBox
[15:46] <bkerensa> :D
[15:46] <nathwill> sweet
[15:46] <nathwill> what're you using for a tray?
[15:46]  * nathwill runs off to break
[15:46] <bkerensa> adesklet
[15:57] <bkerensa> nathwill: :P
[16:08]  * nathwill returns
[16:12] <bkerensa> indeed
[16:12] <bkerensa> :D
[16:13] <bkerensa> nathwill: I also installed CB for dual-boot on my laptop
[16:13] <nathwill> oh yeah?
[16:13] <bkerensa> yeah
[16:13] <nathwill> you steal the .config dir for the openbox conf?
[16:13] <bkerensa> ?
[16:13] <bkerensa> it was configed out of the box
[16:13] <bkerensa> :D
[16:13] <nathwill> hrm
[16:13] <bkerensa> didnt have to do anything.... looks just like your setup
[16:13] <bkerensa> :D
[16:13] <bkerensa> identical
[16:14] <bkerensa> except for the wallpaper
[16:14] <nathwill> i dunno what the default openbox config is for ubuntu
[16:14] <bkerensa> no no
[16:14] <bkerensa> on CB
[16:14] <bkerensa> :D
[16:14] <nathwill> oh
[16:14] <nathwill> gotcha
[16:14] <nathwill> yeah, that's a good thing. :)
[16:14] <bkerensa> OpenBox on Ubuntu was fun.... I found a howto
[16:14] <bkerensa> :D
[16:14] <nathwill> nice
[16:15] <bkerensa> kinda surprised CB doesnt offer a e-mail client by default
[16:15] <nathwill> i like the keyboard shortcuts in CB, which is why i tend to steal the configs for other dists i use OpenBox on
[16:15] <nathwill> well
[16:15] <bkerensa> what do they want me to use Pine :D
[16:16] <nathwill> no, mutt
[16:16] <bkerensa> lol
[16:16] <nathwill> mutt, w3m, moc, mc, identicurse
[16:16] <nathwill> fugget about gtk sucka
[16:17] <bkerensa> what do you use?
[16:17] <nathwill> for mail?
[16:17] <nathwill> claws-mail
[16:17] <nathwill> with a different theme than the default
[16:17] <nathwill> cuz the default is ugly as sin
[16:18] <nathwill> but claws-mail has fantastic filtering and processing rule tools
[16:18] <bkerensa> Hmm
[16:19] <nathwill> i usually use that or thunderbird
[16:19]  * bkerensa has to use Thunderbird.... LastPass Support, WiseStamp and other features
[16:19] <bkerensa> :D
[16:19] <nathwill> i'm not at all a fan of evolution
[16:21] <bkerensa> nathwill: What do they call the thunderbird package for CB/Debian?
[16:21] <nathwill> icedove
[16:21]  * bkerensa tried mozilla-thunderbird
[16:21] <bkerensa> I thought so
[16:21] <bkerensa> :P
[16:21] <nathwill> yeah, icedove and iceweasel are the non-mozilla-branded packages
[16:21] <nathwill> but it's the exact same software
[16:21] <bkerensa> LOL
[16:22] <bkerensa> nathwill: What are you using for music?
[16:22] <bkerensa> :D
[16:22] <nathwill> deadbeef
[16:22] <nathwill> depends on what you want
[16:22] <bkerensa> :P
[16:23] <nathwill> i use the last.fm client most of the time
[16:23]  * bkerensa just installed rhythmbox
[16:23] <bkerensa> :D
[16:23] <bkerensa> which has Last.fm plus everything else
[16:23] <nathwill> i like deadbeef for simplicity and lightweightness, but the mpd+sonata combination is also very popular in CB community
[16:23]  * bkerensa is kind of considering paying the monthly cost of Spotify
[16:23] <bkerensa> =/
[16:23] <nathwill> it's bloody retarded that their native linux client requires a paid account
[16:23] <bkerensa> yeah
[16:24] <bkerensa> their excuse is rubbish
[16:24] <bkerensa> saying they dont know how to put in ads
[16:24] <bkerensa> honestly though Premium was nice
[16:25] <bkerensa> the offline mode for my phone and laptop
[16:25] <bkerensa> :D
[16:25] <bkerensa> But now you have to have Facebook
[16:25] <nathwill> yeaaaah
[16:25] <nathwill> not so cool
[16:25] <nathwill> slacker is good, and their new client has offline caching
[16:25] <nathwill> but i don't think they have a native linux client
[16:26] <nathwill> it's all done thru the browser
[16:26] <bkerensa> nathwill: How do I update the right-click menu? It didnt automatically add thunderbird and rhythmbox
[16:26] <bkerensa> :D
[16:26] <nathwill> it never does, that's what's great
[16:26] <nathwill> are you in CB?
[16:26] <nathwill> or ubuntu?
[16:27] <bkerensa> CB
[16:27] <bkerensa> menu.xml?
[16:27] <nathwill> settings->openbox->gui menu editor
[16:27] <nathwill> or menu.xml
[16:27] <nathwill> for the menu, i find it easier to use the gui (obmenu)
[16:29] <bkerensa> uhhh
[16:29] <bkerensa> derp derp
[16:29] <bkerensa> why did it not add to the menu?
[16:29]  * bkerensa edited the menu.xml and added a item and saved 
[16:29] <bkerensa> =o
[16:30] <nathwill> openbox --reconfigure ???
[16:30] <nathwill> may need to reload it
[16:30] <nathwill> i don't have to reconfigure after using obmenu, but you might need to if you do it by hand
[16:30] <bkerensa> yep
[16:31] <bkerensa> :)
[16:31] <nathwill> cool
[16:31] <bkerensa> just had to reload
[16:31] <bkerensa> odd :P
[16:32] <bkerensa> notably still some things that suck about LastPass
[16:32]  * bkerensa uses 12-13 character strong passwords
[16:33] <bkerensa> so if I ever nuke one of my boxes its a fun process of resyncing everything
[16:33] <bkerensa> :D
[16:33] <nathwill> i bet
[16:36] <nathwill> i just have a funky algorthim i run through in my head to generate the pass
[16:37] <bkerensa> LOL
[16:37] <nathwill> they're pseudo-random, and... between 10-20 char depending on the service
[16:37] <bkerensa> well for most sites I use a 13 char strong pass
[16:37] <bkerensa> then for like two or three things I use a similar 12 char strong pass (with a few changed chars)
[16:38] <bkerensa> idk I imagine my pass and setup is more secure than most companies
[16:38] <bkerensa> ;)
[16:38] <bkerensa> I'm behind three firewalls
[16:38] <bkerensa> :P
[16:38] <nathwill> yikes
[16:38] <bkerensa> one at the gateway.... one at the router and another on my hub
[16:38] <bkerensa> :D
[16:39] <bkerensa> although I think I might setup a server in our telco closet
[16:39] <bkerensa> they have a rack in their but no servers
[16:39] <bkerensa> :)
[16:39] <bkerensa> just phone stuffs
[16:40] <bkerensa> In fact they have a weird vault of a thing that houses the phone stuff it looks like a safe with a front safety glass panel.... I think IntegraTelecom handles that though
[16:41] <nathwill> interesting
[16:44] <bkerensa> nathwill: We should grab sushi soon ;) I know a good place out towards your neck of the woods
[16:45] <nathwill> hellz yeah
[16:45] <nathwill> anything other than pasta, i'm down for
[16:46] <bkerensa> lol
[16:46] <bkerensa> maybe we can get Brian_H to duck out for some sushi ;) Idk if Indianians like Sushi though
[16:46] <bkerensa> :P
[16:48] <bkerensa> Hmm
[16:49] <bkerensa> Alright perfect, we're in for the t-shirts Ben, let me know next steps?
[16:49] <bkerensa> Thanks,
[16:49] <bkerensa> Eric
[16:49] <bkerensa> looks like we got t-shirts
[16:49] <bkerensa> :D
[16:49] <bkerensa> for Ocelot release
[16:50] <Brian_H> lol
[16:51] <bkerensa> Shirts are expensive
[16:51] <Brian_H> yes they are lol
[16:51] <bkerensa> I told them $23-24 a pop
[16:51] <bkerensa> and they were like so $300 or $2000
[16:51] <bkerensa> I said I estimate around $250
[17:22] <nathwill> http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/09/from-desert-to-web-bringing-dead-sea.html
[17:23] <bkerensa> :(
[17:23]  * bkerensa is hating Google right now
[17:24] <bkerensa> finally
[17:24] <bkerensa> :P
[17:24] <bkerensa> their smtp is constantly down
[17:30] <nathwill> you should host a mail server of your own!
[17:31] <nathwill> then you can spend time hating yourself!
[17:39] <tgm4883> I am literally doing this guy's job today https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGS2tKQhdhY
[17:39] <nathwill> that is the best movie ever
[17:39] <tgm4883> agreed
[17:58] <bkerensa> nathwill: For redundancy local hosting of a mail server is unfeasible
[17:58] <bkerensa> :P
[17:58] <bkerensa> tgm4883: I sent a mail to the list asking for Feedback on the Ocelot Release Party.... I'm thinking waiting a week or two after the 13th might be good
[17:59] <bkerensa> It would help me out too because I'm still working to get stuff ready like t-shirts
[17:59] <bkerensa> and food
[17:59] <tgm4883> bkerensa, yea that might be better
[17:59] <bkerensa> BTW!
[17:59] <tgm4883> at least doing it the weekend after, not during the week
[17:59] <bkerensa> IF ANYONE IS GOOD AT THE GIMP AND WANTS TO HELP DESIGN SHIRTS LET ME KNOW
[17:59] <bkerensa> :P
[17:59] <bkerensa> Eucalyptus will be sponsoring our t-shirts
[18:00] <tgm4883> bkerensa, you might want to be a little more specific
[18:00]  * bkerensa is still looking for a food/snack sponsor
[18:00] <bkerensa> tgm4883: More specific?
[18:00] <bkerensa> :D
 IF ANYONE IS GOOD AT THE GNU Image Manipulation Program AND WANTS TO HELP DESIGN SHIRTS LET ME KNOW
[18:00] <tgm4883> fixed
[18:00] <bkerensa> :P
[18:01] <tgm4883> cause you could get a lot of unwanted help from people good at the gimp
[18:03] <bkerensa> nathwill: How do I launch TweetDeck on CB? :)
[18:35] <nathwill> tweetdeck?
[18:35] <nathwill> isn't that an adobe air app?
[18:36] <nathwill> ^bkerensa
[18:36] <bkerensa> nathwill: Yeah
[18:36] <bkerensa> =/
[18:39] <nathwill> so ya just need to install adobe air and then install tweetdeck
[18:39] <bkerensa> I have
[18:39] <nathwill> ok
[18:39] <bkerensa> but how do I make it launch from menu.xml
[18:39] <bkerensa> ;)
[18:39] <nathwill> ah
[18:39] <nathwill> what command do you use to launch it at cli?
[18:41] <nathwill> i don't really know much about adobe air
[18:42] <bkerensa> I have no idea
[18:42] <bkerensa> :P
[18:42] <nathwill> i think you just put in the command for adobe-air with the application as parameter $1
[18:43] <nathwill> hrm
[18:43] <nathwill> google is not helpful in this regard
[18:43] <bkerensa> yeah
[18:43] <bkerensa> --> /opt/TweetDeck/bin/TweetDeck
[18:43] <bkerensa> should be command
[18:43] <nathwill> hrm
[18:43] <bkerensa> but tweetdeck went somewhere weird on CB
[18:44] <bkerensa> and I cannot find it
[18:44] <bkerensa> =o
[18:44] <nathwill> whereis TweetDeck ?
[18:44] <bkerensa> nothing
[18:44] <bkerensa> LOL
[18:44] <nathwill> which?
[18:44] <bkerensa> WAIT
[18:44] <bkerensa> oooooo
[18:44] <nathwill> which TweetDeck?
[18:44] <nathwill> eh?
[18:44] <bkerensa> I installed it on my laptop
[18:44] <bkerensa> not on my desktop yet
[18:44] <bkerensa> =o
[18:44] <nathwill> ROFL
[18:44] <nathwill> excellent
[18:44] <nathwill> so you installed CB on multiple pc's? :D
[18:44] <nathwill> woo hoo!
[18:45] <bkerensa> umm yeah
[18:45] <bkerensa> shh
[18:45] <bkerensa> :P
[18:45] <nathwill> pffft.
[18:45] <bkerensa> dont want the Canonical overlords to hear about that
[18:45] <bkerensa> :D
[18:46] <nathwill> well, you see... it's really Ubuntu w/ Openbox... you see... *cough*
[19:02] <thefinn93> https://imgur.com/ffUjp
[19:02] <thefinn93> Looks like it's gonna be cloudy with a chance of Debian
[19:05] <nathwill> lol
[19:13] <nathwill> http://edos.debian.net/weather/
[19:14] <bkerensa> nathwill: icedove is weak sauce
[19:14] <nathwill> it's... the same as thunderbird dude
[19:15] <bkerensa> nathwill: Thats a negative ghost rider :P
[19:15] <bkerensa> Its not syncing my Gapps labels
[19:16] <nathwill> pfft
[19:16] <nathwill> no comment
[19:16] <bkerensa> :P
[19:16] <bkerensa> why cause you run your own mailserver ?
[19:16] <bkerensa> :P
[19:17] <nathwill> yep
[19:18] <bkerensa> :P
[19:18] <bkerensa> and what happens if Linode has an outage?
[19:18] <bkerensa> :D
[19:19] <bkerensa> you lose mail :P
[19:24] <nathwill> never happened yet
[19:24] <nathwill> lol
[19:24] <nathwill> and besides... that issue exists with all service providers
[19:29] <bkerensa> I had three outages in under a year with Linode
[19:29] <bkerensa> :D
[19:30] <bkerensa> Now mind you that was outages
[19:30] <bkerensa> sometimes the entire host machine would somehow mysteriously lock up
[19:30] <bkerensa> :D
[19:30] <bkerensa> which they did not consider an outage
[19:31] <nathwill> where were you located?
[19:31] <bkerensa> Even Linode's major fanboys dont suggest using a Linode for e-mail
[19:31] <bkerensa> UK and Fremont
[19:31] <nathwill> hrm
[19:31] <bkerensa> Fremont has a DC wide outage
[19:31] <nathwill> i was in Fremont
[19:31] <nathwill> weird
[19:31] <bkerensa> and UK had issues
[19:31] <bkerensa> yeah
[19:31] <nathwill> still am in fremont
[19:31] <bkerensa> Yeah oddly only half their host machines went down
[19:31] <bkerensa> :P
[19:31] <bkerensa> Linode doesnt explain much
[19:31] <bkerensa> they did say it was DC wide but somehow it didnt effect all their boxes
[19:32] <bkerensa> :P
[19:33] <bkerensa> nathwill: http://status.linode.com/
[19:34] <bkerensa> Your lucky
[19:34] <bkerensa> Fremont has issues a lot
[19:35] <bkerensa> I got downtime in Nov, May and Aug just in Fremont
[19:35] <bkerensa> :D
[19:35] <nathwill> yeah, that's weird
[19:35] <bkerensa> I guess its better then the DC getting robber or exploding
[19:35] <bkerensa> :P
[19:35] <bkerensa> ThePlanet had a DC explosion
[19:35] <bkerensa> and their was a DC in chicago that got robbed
[19:36] <nathwill> that's really cool
[19:36] <bkerensa> http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2007/11/04/armed-robbery-at-chicago-data-center/
[19:39] <nathwill> cut through an exterior wall... lmao
[19:41] <bkerensa> LOL
[19:43] <nathwill> http://schlem.deviantart.com/#/d3h7w7q
[19:43] <nathwill> i'm going to start slapping these everywhere
[19:55] <bkerensa> slapping them everywhere? As in make stickers?
[19:59] <bkerensa> People who put price as $2 on CL for servers make me so mad
[19:59] <bkerensa> :P
[20:23] <c_smith> hello, got down to Fry's this morning, found out my original price range wouldn't cut it for the type of PC I want to build: a gaming PC.
[20:24] <c_smith> $800-$900 is what I should be aiming for, not $500 with $200 as a cushion.
[20:28] <bkerensa> -o
[20:41] <c_smith> ayup, gonna be closer to Christmas when I get the money for it, possibly in January.
[20:42] <c_smith> bkerensa, if possible, I'd like to run the parts list by ya and get your take on them.
[21:22] <bkerensa> sure send it in pm
[21:24] <c_smith> ok
[22:01] <c_smith> any luck on a space for the release party?
[22:10] <bkerensa> still waiting
[22:10] <bkerensa> these kinds of things take a month or so to setup
[22:10] <bkerensa> and its still convention season
[22:12] <bkerensa> PuppetLabs on the 13th was kind of a best bet consider location, space, amenities since people want a weekend I have no idea
[22:12] <bkerensa> Some UG's pay a couple hundred a month just to have a place to do meetings
[22:12] <bkerensa> like Nedspace membership
[22:25] <bkerensa> :D
[22:25] <bkerensa> Damn my site loads fast
[22:25] <bkerensa> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0Ke4LL0hIc
[22:25] <bkerensa> My page load times embarrass sites like AOL or Engadget
[22:25] <bkerensa> :P
[22:37] <bkerensa> Brian_H: Much props you guys have a fast site
[22:37] <Brian_H> sweet :)
[22:38] <bkerensa> Brian_H: Faster than Ubuntu.com or Redhat.com
[22:38] <bkerensa> :D
[22:38] <bkerensa> 4.3 second load time
[22:38] <c_smith> I bet.
[22:39] <bkerensa> Ubuntu.com 7 seconds and Redhat 6.7
[22:39] <bkerensa> :D
[22:39] <Brian_H> not for long we are working on a revamp lol
[22:39] <bkerensa> LOL
[22:39] <bkerensa> You use a CMS platform?
[22:39] <Brian_H> yea we will be using joomla
[22:41] <c_smith> has anyone heard Dave-SB's version of Toccata and Fugue? pretty sick
[22:47] <bkerensa> Brian_H: WHAT???
[22:47] <bkerensa> =o
[22:47] <bkerensa> Serious?
[22:47] <Brian_H> yea for what we are doing its a better solution than the alternatives that were presented
[22:47] <bkerensa> Joomla is like the most insecure CMS platform their is though
[22:47] <bkerensa> :P
[22:48] <bkerensa> Harvard used Joomla until they got hacked
[22:48] <bkerensa> :P
[22:49] <Brian_H> doh
[22:49] <bkerensa> :P
[22:49] <Brian_H> I'll have to tell the admins to lock it down
[22:49] <bkerensa> yeah :)
[22:49] <bkerensa> a lot of modifications :D
[22:50] <bkerensa> atleast you didnt say "Were moving to PHPNuke"
[22:50] <bkerensa> :D
[22:50] <Brian_H> hahaha this is very true
[22:51] <c_smith> what is PHPnuke and why is it so bad?
[22:52] <bkerensa> its a very old php based portal software :P
[22:53] <bkerensa> imho the top three most insecure CMS platforms are PHPNuke, Joomla and Typo3
[22:53] <bkerensa> :D
[22:53] <Brian_H> oh good, firefox 7 is out, was wondering when they were going to replace 6.02 ... it was getting quite old
[22:53] <bkerensa> yeah
[22:53] <bkerensa> ?
[22:53] <bkerensa> Im still hoping FF makes major improvements in speed
[22:53] <bkerensa> :D
[22:53] <Brian_H> well yea 6.0.2 is like what a week old? I mean comon! talk about a long release cycle
[22:53] <c_smith> so the FF 7 update finally made it to the Update servers?
[22:54] <Brian_H> oh not yet
[22:54] <bkerensa> probably in a few hours
[22:54] <Brian_H> not really looking forward to it breaking all my addons again lol
[22:54] <c_smith> might as well check.... wonder if there's a way to check the build status.
[23:16] <nathwill> and the award for the most secure cms platform goes tooo.... jekyll!
[23:19] <c_smith> what about Mr. Hyde?
[23:25] <nathwill> octopress?
[23:26] <nathwill> well... i guess that wouldn't really work
[23:26] <nathwill> cuz octopress is the more dapper of the two