| Seven_Six_Two | when I start pulseaudio -v, I don't see any errors. This is the last bit: | 00:05 |
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| Seven_Six_Two | I: [combine] core-util.c: Successfully enabled SCHED_RR scheduling for thread, with priority 6. | 00:06 |
| Seven_Six_Two | Killed | 00:06 |
| rectec794613 | I'm having problems getting my Ralink wifi adapter working. I used to be able to get the proper rt2860sta module with the pre-3.0 kernels, but now modprobe can't find it. I stuck the old module file from my old kernel into my current module directory, yet it still cannot find it. Any help is appreciated. | 00:46 |
| Peter_Bilt | i need an apt version without fsync | 00:47 |
| Peter_Bilt | apt-get upgrade (100mb) takes more then 24h to complete | 00:48 |
| Peter_Bilt | this sucks! | 00:48 |
| rectec794613 | Woops. Did that go through guys? My ethernet cable doesn't have a clip and it gets disconnected from the slightest movement. | 00:49 |
| Peter_Bilt | yeah get a new plug | 00:49 |
| rectec794613 | this is just temporary. here's why | 00:50 |
| rectec794613 | I'm having problems getting my Ralink wifi adapter working. I used to be able to get the proper rt2860sta module with the pre-3.0 kernels, but now modprobe can't find it. I stuck the old module file from my old kernel into my current module directory, yet it still cannot find it. Any help is appreciated. | 00:50 |
| Peter_Bilt | copy it from the old kernel to the new | 00:50 |
| Peter_Bilt | your firmware and stuff | 00:50 |
| Peter_Bilt | google the module | 00:50 |
| rectec794613 | isn't firmware bios-level? | 00:50 |
| rectec794613 | trust me I've done plenty of googling before I came here | 00:51 |
| Peter_Bilt | no | 00:52 |
| Peter_Bilt | its a binary firmware or something | 00:52 |
| rectec794613 | so basically modules? | 00:53 |
| Peter_Bilt | what happens if you type sudo modprobe rt2860sta | 00:53 |
| rectec794613 | says not found | 00:53 |
| rectec794613 | I've tried a bunch of stuff | 00:53 |
| Peter_Bilt | apt-get install firmware-ralink | 00:54 |
| rectec794613 | eh... not in the repos | 00:55 |
| rectec794613 | Is there a repo for kernel modules? | 00:55 |
| Peter_Bilt | not that i know of | 00:56 |
| Peter_Bilt | find the firmware | 00:56 |
| Peter_Bilt | http://packages.debian.org/de/sid/firmware-ralink | 00:56 |
| Peter_Bilt | and sudo dpkg install firmware-ralink_0.33._all.deb or something | 00:57 |
| rectec794613 | refuses to be install. I'm no Sherlock Holmes, but I'm pretty sure this is for Debian Sid | 00:59 |
| Peter_Bilt | unpack the deb and copy it manually | 00:59 |
| Peter_Bilt | data.tar inside there | 00:59 |
| rectec794613 | ugh why should I have to jury rig my system just to get this to work? FIne I'll try. | 01:00 |
| Peter_Bilt | trust me, i know what i'm doing | 01:01 |
| rectec794613 | inside wher | 01:03 |
| rectec794613 | e | 01:03 |
| rectec794613 | ? | 01:03 |
| Peter_Bilt | wait | 01:03 |
| Peter_Bilt | you upgraded your old kernel | 01:06 |
| rectec794613 | no it's a fresh install | 01:06 |
| rectec794613 | not so good at this psychic stuff huh? | 01:07 |
| Peter_Bilt | wait im talking to god | 01:08 |
| bjsnider | Peter_Bilt, aren't you glad you tried to help this guy? | 01:08 |
| rectec794613 | i assume he's jumping for joy | 01:09 |
| Peter_Bilt | its lib/firmware | 01:10 |
| rectec794613 | k | 01:10 |
| Peter_Bilt | i am a monk, so i have things to do in the background | 01:11 |
| rectec794613 | i got 3 folders in the .deb file: DEBIAN, lib, and usr | 01:11 |
| Peter_Bilt | go to lib | 01:11 |
| rectec794613 | seriously or are you just pulling my leg? | 01:12 |
| Peter_Bilt | then firmware | 01:12 |
| Peter_Bilt | copy the content of the firmware directory to /lib/firmware | 01:12 |
| rectec794613 | modprobe still says not found. What should I call the module? | 01:14 |
| Peter_Bilt | is that thing blacklisted? | 01:14 |
| rectec794613 | no | 01:14 |
| rectec794613 | rt2800pci is sopposed to be but i took it off | 01:14 |
| rectec794613 | i'll double check | 01:15 |
| rectec794613 | nope | 01:15 |
| rectec794613 | very difficult | 01:15 |
| rectec794613 | brb | 01:15 |
| bjsnider | ifconfig wlan0 up | 01:16 |
| Peter_Bilt | lspci -nnk | grep -iA2 net | 01:16 |
| Peter_Bilt | do you see some kernel modules loaded? | 01:16 |
| Peter_Bilt | otherwise you need to manualy compile those driver somehow, | 01:17 |
| rectec794613 | shows the Ralink RT3090 | 01:18 |
| rectec794613 | want me to pastebin? | 01:18 |
| Peter_Bilt | yeah paste bills | 01:18 |
| rectec794613 | i can get the pci driver loaded but it tells me "unmanaged" in the network applet, and I can't use it | 01:19 |
| rectec794613 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/698232/ | 01:19 |
| Peter_Bilt | modprobe rt2800pci | 01:21 |
| rectec794613 | did that and did ifconfig wlan0 up and it still says unmanaged | 01:21 |
| Peter_Bilt | sounds like bugs | 01:21 |
| rectec794613 | well yeah | 01:21 |
| rectec794613 | this whole thing is due to conflicting drivers | 01:22 |
| rectec794613 | it's been in the kernel for years | 01:22 |
| rectec794613 | but I've been able to fix it before kernel 3 | 01:22 |
| Peter_Bilt | i think you need to download the kernel module and compile it | 01:22 |
| rectec794613 | would it have the extension ".ko"? | 01:23 |
| Peter_Bilt | yes | 01:23 |
| Peter_Bilt | http://www.ralinktech.com/support.php?s=2 | 01:25 |
| rectec794613 | I assume I must get the one for my kernel version? | 01:25 |
| Peter_Bilt | get the propriate driver for your hardware | 01:25 |
| Peter_Bilt | then do: sudo apt-get install build-essential dkms fakeroot patch linux-headers-$(uname -r) | 01:26 |
| rectec794613 | ok | 01:28 |
| bjsnider | well, there are going to be a lot of kernel updates in the next few weeks | 01:28 |
| bjsnider | and he'll have to compile it back in every time | 01:28 |
| Peter_Bilt | yeah that sucks | 01:29 |
| rectec794613 | good thing I kept my old install... | 01:29 |
| Peter_Bilt | edit the rt2860sta.dat | 01:30 |
| Peter_Bilt | i paste the thing | 01:30 |
| rectec794613 | uh yeah... you're gonna have to tell me where that is | 01:31 |
| bjsnider | if this works you can use dkms to recompile the driver for every new kernel automatically | 01:32 |
| Peter_Bilt | http://pastebin.com/e3sFckqU | 01:32 |
| bjsnider | you can also query the kernel team about it and submit a bug about it to get their attention | 01:32 |
| rectec794613 | what would you suggest I tell them? | 01:33 |
| Peter_Bilt | http://www.ralinktech.com/license_us.php?n=2&p=1&t=U0wyRnpjMlYwY3k4eU1ERXdMekF6THpNeEwyUnZkMjVzYjJGa01UWTBNamsyTVRBNE1pNTZhWEE5UFQxU1ZESTROakJmUm1seWJYZGhjbVZmVmpJMkM%3D | 01:34 |
| bjsnider | well, if you're taking to the kernel team in irc just say that your wifi chip doesn't work and so forth and so on | 01:34 |
| bjsnider | there's also a linux-backports-wireless package that has yet to be built which is always included in ubuntu after it's stable to offer better drivers than ship in the standard kernel | 01:35 |
| bjsnider | it doesn't get created until towards the end of the dev cycle though | 01:36 |
| rectec794613 | Well this doesn't sound that easy. I think I'll go back to the old system and see if this doesn't resolve itself through updates. | 01:36 |
| rectec794613 | Thank you, guys. | 01:37 |
| bjsnider | there are usb dongles that are going to be much more functional than this chip | 01:37 |
| Peter_Bilt | i ganjagree | 01:37 |
| rectec794613 | Oh wow | 01:37 |
| rectec794613 | Hehe later | 01:38 |
| Peter_Bilt | amen | 01:38 |
| Rodrigo | Lubuntu | 02:04 |
| Rodrigo | Beta3 | 02:04 |
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| Seven_Six_Two | After the update, pulseaudio won't start. Sound works from media players, no panel volume control. Complete details at http://pastebin.com/LFxWJW7d | 03:23 |
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| Seven_Six_Two | can someone please pastebin their /etc/pulse/client.conf ? Thanks | 04:02 |
| digital_838 | Hello | 05:22 |
| digital_838 | I have a question about updates and betas (in general). | 05:23 |
| digital_838 | Is it safe to run the updates on a beta? | 05:23 |
| digital_838 | anybody? | 05:23 |
| IdleOne | safe is a relative state | 05:24 |
| digital_838 | true | 05:24 |
| IdleOne | sometimes the updates end up breaking something or another making the OS unbootable | 05:24 |
| digital_838 | but I thought I remember being advised never to run updates on a beta OS. It corrupts somethign or other | 05:25 |
| digital_838 | that! | 05:25 |
| digital_838 | So generally the sound advice is to not update? | 05:25 |
| IdleOne | but in general, I would say that it is safer to run the updates than not | 05:25 |
| digital_838 | oh ok- cool. | 05:25 |
| digital_838 | Thanks IdleOne | 05:25 |
| IdleOne | digital_838: ... | 05:25 |
| IdleOne | you can always come here and check the topic for any warnings and ask the channel. | 05:26 |
| IdleOne | major issues are usually put into the topic | 05:26 |
| digital_838 | ahh ok cool... again much appreciated info. | 05:26 |
| IdleOne | sure thing | 05:26 |
| miki | digital_838 Beta2 seems stable enough for updates the alpha2 i ran didn't update so well they changed the log-in so it crashed on me :( | 05:27 |
| pahnin | i cudnt boot ubuntu 11.10 from usb, tried unetbootin, live usb install, universal... etc | 06:40 |
| pahnin | someone plz help | 06:40 |
| pahnin | hello? | 06:43 |
| pahnin | anyone online? | 06:43 |
| pahnin | i cudnt boot ubuntu 11.10 from usb, tried unetbootin, live usb install, universal... etc | 06:43 |
| urlin2u | pahnin, what happens? | 06:51 |
| pahnin | it says boot error | 06:51 |
| urlin2u | pahnin, have you checked the md5sum of the IOSO? | 06:52 |
| urlin2u | ISO | 06:52 |
| pahnin | hmm, nopes but its installed correctly anyway | 06:52 |
| pahnin | i'm gonna check md5 | 06:52 |
| pahnin | thnx | 06:52 |
| urlin2u | sure | 06:52 |
| pahnin | Hello I cudnt install ubuntu from usb? it says boot error.. Tried all booting softwares checkd md5 | 07:20 |
| sagaci | pahnin, what specific image are you trying to install from | 07:23 |
| pahnin | sagaci, oneric daily live oneiric-desktop-amd64.iso | 07:42 |
| pahnin | anyone online? | 07:44 |
| pahnin | sagaci, oneric daily live oneiric-desktop-amd64.iso | 08:00 |
| karlhunt | Can anyone help me figure out a problem I have. My laptop is fast as anything on battery but as soon as i plug in my charger its unusable | 08:18 |
| pahnin | karlhunt, weird! only on ubuntu? | 08:20 |
| karlhunt | yes | 08:21 |
| karlhunt | win7 is fine | 08:21 |
| karlhunt | and so was 11.04 | 08:21 |
| karlhunt | lt the system | 08:22 |
| pahnin | may be the power manager in 11.10 causing problm | 08:22 |
| karlhunt | pahnin, It tired disabling acpi on the grub boot line as per an old similar issue on hardy | 08:23 |
| lubosz | hi. how do i set the default display manager? | 08:23 |
| lubosz | e.g. how do i make gdm to start automatically, after i removed lightdm | 08:24 |
| karlhunt | but that made no difference | 08:24 |
| karlhunt | dont know what else to change | 08:25 |
| karlhunt | aha | 08:36 |
| karlhunt | if i clock my cpu down | 08:37 |
| karlhunt | it fixes it! | 08:37 |
| karlhunt | its definately sandy bridge related | 08:40 |
| karlhunt | if I change brightness with my keys it also locks up | 08:40 |
| lubosz | karlhunt: which notebook manufacturer? | 08:43 |
| karlhunt | Dell | 08:43 |
| drussell | hmm anyone else seeing firefox and thunderbird firing up with no window decoration since the last round of updates? | 09:11 |
| drussell | everything else seems fine | 09:11 |
| drussell | well, incase anyone else starts to be affected I've filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/861265 | 09:23 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 861265 in firefox (Ubuntu) "[Oneiric] [Regression] firefox title bar does not appear (same problem with thunderbird) no window decoration for either application." [Undecided,New] | 09:23 |
| tasslehoff | is beta 2 deemed usable? my 11.04 is broken, and I'm considering using 11.10 in my reinstall. | 11:00 |
| ikonia | define usable | 11:00 |
| ikonia | in what respect ? | 11:00 |
| ikonia | stable for business/school work, stable development platform, | 11:00 |
| ikonia | play with that may crash | 11:01 |
| ikonia | "will boot a desktop" | 11:01 |
| ikonia | please define usable | 11:01 |
| tasslehoff | ikonia: usable for me is: usable for a programmer @ work, when that programmer is willing to suffer sporadic crashes and bugs | 11:07 |
| ikonia | tasslehoff: no | 11:08 |
| ikonia | (in that case, no) | 11:08 |
| tasslehoff | ikonia: too bad. any particular issues? | 11:09 |
| ikonia | nothing springs to mind | 11:10 |
| tasslehoff | ikonia: but it's not usable? | 11:11 |
| ikonia | not in the manner you suggest | 11:12 |
| tasslehoff | ok | 11:13 |
| RobinJ | any ubuntu bugfixers in here? | 11:36 |
| Stanley00 | RobinJ: not me, but what's your problem? | 11:44 |
| oal | I've had enough of kubuntu. Definitely switching to ubuntu again... Just wondering if I should wait until 13. Oct, or is the Beta2 stable enough? | 12:01 |
| drussell | oal: I'm still getting sporadic compiz crashes on occasion, and some odd behaviour now and again | 12:04 |
| drussell | oal: depends if you're comfortable fixing stuff if/when it breaks | 12:04 |
| drussell | oal: currently I'm facing bug 861265 | 12:04 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 861265 in firefox (Ubuntu) "[Oneiric] [Regression] firefox title bar does not appear (same problem with thunderbird) no window decoration for either application." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/861265 | 12:05 |
| drussell | which is quite irritating :o) | 12:05 |
| RobinJ | Stanley00: that this is a rather critical bug and it's being throughly ignored on launchpad: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/858916 | 12:05 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 858916 in Ubuntu "Graphic card 108°C in Ubuntu 11.10" [Undecided,New] | 12:05 |
| RobinJ | is it normal that there are still critical bugs like this in 2 weeks before release? or is this just going to be another beta stage release like 11.04? | 12:06 |
| oal | drussell: hmm, are you using 11.10 as your main os now? | 12:07 |
| ironhalik | dude, there are critical bugs still in 11.04 | 12:07 |
| ironhalik | ;> | 12:07 |
| ironhalik | i killed my system twice by putting it in standby mode while update restart was pending | 12:07 |
| ironhalik | what the hell?! :> | 12:07 |
| drussell | oal: yes, but I'm also prepared for a certain degree of pain | 12:08 |
| Stanley00 | RobinJ: what's your graphic card? My lappy is cooler when using oneiric... | 12:08 |
| RobinJ | NVidia Quadro NVS110 M | 12:08 |
| oal | drussell: I think I'll grab the iso and try it with liveusb first | 12:09 |
| drussell | RobinJ: it doesn't help that the bug doesn't have all the features set that would allow people to find it easily | 12:11 |
| RobinJ | drussell: what do you mean? | 12:11 |
| drussell | RobinJ: ideally you should select a package that the bug is applicable to | 12:12 |
| drussell | RobinJ: the xorg drivers for your card for example | 12:12 |
| RobinJ | yeah but as i dont have a clue what package that would be... | 12:12 |
| RobinJ | nouveau? | 12:12 |
| drussell | RobinJ: most likely xserver-xorg-video-nouveau | 12:13 |
| drussell | RobinJ: and put nouveau and/or nvidia in the title of the bug | 12:14 |
| RobinJ | tags: added: nouveau | 12:14 |
| RobinJ | affects: ubuntu → xserver-xorg-video-nouveau (Ubuntu) | 12:14 |
| RobinJ | ok | 12:14 |
| RobinJ | summary: - Graphic card 108°C in Ubuntu 11.10 | 12:15 |
| RobinJ | + [nouveau?] Graphic card 108°C in Ubuntu 11.10 | 12:15 |
| RobinJ | something else i could do? | 12:15 |
| drussell | but the truth is, if you're the only one affected so far... it's a numbers game, we're looking to handle the bugs that have 100's of people subscribed to them | 12:15 |
| RobinJ | ... right.... and as my mother (with the same kind of laptop and the same problem) doesnt even know what launchpad is... | 12:15 |
| drussell | RobinJ: have you tried the binary driver? I wouldn't normally recommend it, but just asking... | 12:16 |
| RobinJ | no as i havent risced installing something that could kill my hardware and i'm not going to | 12:16 |
| RobinJ | plus the fact that the installation just crashes ;p | 12:17 |
| drussell | RobinJ: this sound like your problem? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1825110 | 12:17 |
| RobinJ | this looks as if its going to be one hell of a buggy release to me | 12:18 |
| RobinJ | no, thats what my temperatures normally look like in natty | 12:18 |
| RobinJ | nowhere near a 108°C | 12:18 |
| drussell | RobinJ: you seen page 2? | 12:19 |
| RobinJ | no only read the first post yet xd | 12:19 |
| drussell | RobinJ: keep reading, and if it sounds like the same, might be worth posing the bug number there also | 12:19 |
| drussell | RobinJ: he's talking about temps over 90 when idle | 12:20 |
| RobinJ | yeah and im talking about temperatures over 100°C while idle :p | 12:20 |
| RobinJ | but sounds like the same problem yes | 12:20 |
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| drussell | RobinJ: indeed, variations in laptops could well be the difference in temps | 12:20 |
| RobinJ | except that i cant confirm if my laptop is running cooler in fedora as gnome3 is acting.... ridicule :p | 12:20 |
| RobinJ | i put my bug report in that topic | 12:23 |
| RobinJ | is there a way to try out the closed-source drivers in a live session? | 12:24 |
| RobinJ | not going to risc installing this as the installation isnt something you can just cancel and shutdown when the laptop gets too hot | 12:24 |
| RobinJ | anything more i can do drussell? | 12:26 |
| drussell | RobinJ: as I said earlier, post into that thread, and ask them to subscribe themselves to your bug | 12:26 |
| drussell | RobinJ: the more people you can get ticking the "this affects me" the more chance it'll get fixed | 12:27 |
| oal | So here I am in the daily build. First thing I noticed was booting from usb stick was extremely fast | 12:35 |
| RobinJ | second thing i noticed that it hugely overheated my laptop | 12:36 |
| oal | Dont know about my gpu, but cpu is 37c and mb is 35c... About the same as 11.04 | 12:36 |
| Stanley00 | oal: yes, dont know why but the image on usb work smoother than the install one :)) | 12:37 |
| oal | Stanley00: haha, yeah, thats odd. | 12:37 |
| oal | Unity is so much better! | 12:38 |
| oal | I tried to install the nvidia driver running from the usb stick, but that failed. Is that normal? | 12:39 |
| dashavoo | I am so confused today... | 12:44 |
| dashavoo | yesterday my computer seemed to deny the existence of my wifi card, following an update. No matter how many times I rebooted, it was the same. Today, after having no internet connection, so there was no update, everything is working again :S | 12:45 |
| dashavoo | As far as I know, the only thing different about today is the date | 12:45 |
| gnomefreak | anyone elses fonts all screwed up? | 12:57 |
| gnomefreak | it seems it is all fonts no matter what i have open | 12:59 |
| drussell | gnomefreak: nope, all ok here | 13:00 |
| gnomefreak | maybe the updates im doing will fix it | 13:00 |
| gnomefreak | it seems they are fixed now | 13:01 |
| gnomefreak | i guess update did fix it | 13:01 |
| drussell | gnomefreak: :o) | 13:05 |
| alexd285 | hello, I run 11.10 and Alt+Ctrl+Shift+R on GS isn't working on me, anyone else has the same issue? | 13:13 |
| BluesKaj | Hiyas all | 13:18 |
| Arnold | Hello BluesKaj | 13:20 |
| BluesKaj | odd that adding the chromium daily build ppa doesn't do anything ..doesn't download and install the browser ...as if the ppa isn't listed in the sources.list and muon | 13:20 |
| BluesKaj | hi Arnold | 13:20 |
| Arnold | alexd285, I think Ubuntu 11.10 has different default keyboard configurations than GNOME 3 should have. | 13:20 |
| alexd285 | Arnold, lal, ok I will check | 13:23 |
| Arnold | alexd285, what does that keycombo do usually? | 13:23 |
| alexd285 | Record desktop | 13:23 |
| alexd285 | Arnold, record desktop | 13:24 |
| Arnold | No sign of that in Keyboard -> Shortcut configuration applet. | 13:24 |
| Arnold | BluesKaj, I'll take a look at it. | 13:25 |
| alexd285 | Arnold, it works on Fedora, is GS shortcut | 13:26 |
| Arnold | alexd285, from what I've been seeing, let's just say Unity takes more privilege than Gnome Shell. | 13:27 |
| RobinJ_ | yelp? i'm stuck in the 11.10 dqily build installation. at the keyboard layout selection thingy, the second column doesnt change when selecting a country in the first one, leaving me unable to select the right keyboaqrd layout, no real problems so far. the real problem is that the "next" and "back" buttons are locked/disabled.... | 13:27 |
| alexd285 | Arnold, sadly :) | 13:27 |
| Arnold | Although, let's see if we can restore it. | 13:28 |
| Arnold | We can add the shortcut to the function, we just need to find its name. | 13:28 |
| Arnold | "Control+Shift+Alt+R keybinding starts and stops the recording. (Note: this functionality is currently missing in some distribution packages.)" - according to GNOME Shell's CheatSheet wiki page. | 13:29 |
| alexd285 | Arnold, yes I think is bug/missing | 13:29 |
| Arnold | RobinJ, try to kill off the Ubiquity process (and restart the installation). | 13:30 |
| alexd285 | Arnold, you use GS on 11.10? | 13:30 |
| Arnold | RobinJ_* | 13:30 |
| Arnold | alexd285, I tried it a few days ago, now I'm on just Unity. I realized that installing GNOME Shell in 11.10 can mess up Unity a bit. | 13:31 |
| alexd285 | Arnold, I would say that unity messes up the GS :) | 13:32 |
| Arnold | BluesKaj, I just added the Chromium Daily PPA and it works just fine. | 13:32 |
| RobinJ_ | noone? -.- | 13:33 |
| Arnold | Try adding the PPA with "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:chromium-daily" and don't forget press Enter! | 13:33 |
| Arnold | RobinJ_, try to kill off the Ubiquity process (and restart the installation). | 13:33 |
| RobinJ_ | the skip button is also locked/disabled | 13:33 |
| alexd285 | RobinJ_, also chromium ppa works fine on me | 13:33 |
| Arnold | That's why we forcefully will have to restart the installation process. | 13:33 |
| RobinJ_ | ... i dont need a corrupted hard disk | 13:33 |
| Arnold | alexd285, Chromium Daily PPA was meant to BluesKaj :P | 13:34 |
| RobinJ_ | no command line thingy that forces it to go on or something? | 13:34 |
| Arnold | There's xkill, or "sudo pkill ubiquity". | 13:34 |
| alexd285 | BluesKaj, also chromium ppa works fine on me :) | 13:34 |
| Arnold | Hehe, yeah, adding PPA's with sudo add-apt-repository requires you to press ENTER before adding it. Not so automatic now, than how it was in pre 11.10 :P | 13:35 |
| Arnold | Ah, sure... All sorts of tablets has to be a Wacom one, right? | 13:40 |
| BluesKaj | Arnold, alexd285 , well that's odd , because i have the ppas in my sources.list and muon , but there aren't any upgrades available | 13:48 |
| BluesKaj | the gpg key doesn't work here either | 13:49 |
| alexd285 | BluesKaj, gpg doesn't matter | 13:49 |
| BluesKaj | yeah | 13:49 |
| RobinJ_ | really no other way than to kill buggy ubiquity? | 13:50 |
| Arnold | RobinJ_, you can also try System Monitor too. | 13:50 |
| RobinJ_ | what can i do there? | 13:50 |
| alexd285 | BluesKaj, what if u remove them and and them again? | 13:50 |
| alexd285 | and add* | 13:50 |
| Arnold | BluesKaj, what's your latest chromium-browser package version? | 13:50 |
| Arnold | RobinJ_, it's similar to Windows Task Manager. | 13:50 |
| BluesKaj | Arnold, I don't have one | 13:50 |
| RobinJ_ | yeah i know what it is but how can it help? | 13:50 |
| Arnold | RobinJ_, you can kill off ubiquity with it, and then you restart the installer. | 13:51 |
| Arnold | BluesKaj, you added the PPA, but haven't install Chromium from it? | 13:51 |
| RobinJ_ | yeah i can just as well do that with killall or pkill -9 ;p | 13:51 |
| BluesKaj | it didn't install ...that's my issue m Arnold | 13:52 |
| Arnold | Then go for it. :P "sudo killall ubiquity" should do its job. | 13:52 |
| Arnold | BluesKaj, did it gave an error or something? | 13:52 |
| BluesKaj | no error , just nothing | 13:52 |
| Arnold | Try command line wise - run "sudo apt-get update" and then "sudo apt-get install chromium-browser". | 13:52 |
| Arnold | Even with Ubuntu Software Center, you'll get the PPA listed, and can choose which package to install from there. | 13:53 |
| BluesKaj | yeah Arnold, but won't that just pull the regular default chromium ? | 13:53 |
| Arnold | I'm sure Muon Software Center does the same. | 13:53 |
| Arnold | No no no, as long as the PPA version supersedes the official repository one, you're just fine :) | 13:54 |
| Arnold | That's the whole point of PPA, actually. They take more priority than the official one. In most cases, anyway. | 13:54 |
| BluesKaj | wait a sec,IMO apt isn't seeing the ppa , otherwise it would pull the chromium ppa version | 13:55 |
| Arnold | Something must've gone bad then. Check Software Sources (or its Kubuntu equivalent) and see if Chromium Daily PPA is listed, activated and in use. | 13:56 |
| RobinJ_ | and they say ubuntu is more lightweight than windblows? temp1: +100.0°C (high = +100.0°C, crit = +110.0°C) | 13:57 |
| BluesKaj | Arnold, it's there and activated | 13:57 |
| Arnold | Are you absolutely sure that it's pulling of chromium-browser from the official repository, rather than from the Chromium Daily PPA? | 13:58 |
| Arnold | Latest version for me seems to be chromium-browser 15.0.871.0~svn20110904r99583-0ubuntu1~ucd1 | 13:58 |
| BluesKaj | ok , the same svn version of chromium installed from the ppa as you said , Arnold , but it's still strange that the ppa wouldn't install it in the first place . | 14:04 |
| Arnold | Normally you get more priority for the PPA's, rather than the official repository. Unless the version is greater in the official one. | 14:05 |
| BluesKaj | wow, chromium fixed it's kde font setting integration in it's daily build version ... thank goodness for small mercies :) | 14:09 |
| Arnold | Some miracles come in smaller commits :) | 14:10 |
| bjsnider | BluesKaj, i think your browser sound issue is kde-related. if you google "kubuntu no sound in browser" you get results going back years, including: | 14:19 |
| bjsnider | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/flashplugin-nonfree/+bug/543035 | 14:19 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 543035 in flashplugin-nonfree (Ubuntu) "no sound in flash in several browsers on kubuntu" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 14:19 |
| bjsnider | it may have something to do with the many different ways a user can set up a kde sound system | 14:19 |
| bjsnider | it is difficult to keep track of them all | 14:19 |
| BluesKaj | bjsnider, mine is quite straight forward, no pulse , just alsa/phonon/gstreamer-backend ...as simple as I can get it | 14:22 |
| bjsnider | well, the thing is, you might want to consider going to a simple gnome desktop in the future | 14:23 |
| bjsnider | pulse now supports passthru | 14:23 |
| bjsnider | the next version of gstreamer will too | 14:23 |
| bjsnider | and libav now supports multithreaded playback of video files, so as long as you have a multicore cpu, you can play anything, no matter how high the bitrate | 14:24 |
| BluesKaj | heh, pulse doesn't even see my soundcard | 14:24 |
| bjsnider | so in the near future someone in your situation could just use totem for everything and never have to edit text files. it would all just work seamlessly | 14:25 |
| bjsnider | if the card has an alsa driver pulse shuld see it | 14:27 |
| BluesKaj | no thanks bjsnider , I'm a kde guy ...I'll figure this out eventually, I usually can with a bit of help and a little luck :) | 14:27 |
| jbwiv | anyone know if 11.10 will support xinerama with compiz? I use three monitors and can't use unity in 11.04 because of the reliance on compiz | 14:31 |
| jbwiv | at least, I believe that's what the problem is. Xinerama across multiple X servers works fine with Ubuntu classic | 14:32 |
| madurax86___ | 2.6.38 freezes randomly on my machine, no log messages and no call traces, sysrq does not work, to recover have to reset and windows has been running straight for 1d+ on same hardware i dont know how to report it as a bug even since i dont have any reports | 14:45 |
| madurax86___ | all new kernels have it too | 14:45 |
| madurax86___ | natty ran stable on this with the first versions of 2.6.38 it froze for the first time after some security update showed up for the same kernel | 14:46 |
| aajgar | Hi, anyone know how to create a bootable usb drive with uefi support ? | 15:14 |
| aajgar | I can use unetbootin but I can't boot from teh usb | 15:14 |
| dtigue | why do you want to use uefi ? | 15:21 |
| bigjools | can anyone help with kmail2 in oneiric please? I just upgraded and it won't start, saying "Failed to fetch the resource collection" | 15:25 |
| aajgar | dtigue: I have a lenovo T420 and it doesn't suport legacy bios boot | 15:26 |
| mneptok | bigjools: sorry, migrated to GMail long ago. | 15:26 |
| TheSimkin | aajgar: oh yah? that's kinda cool! | 15:27 |
| bigjools | mneptok: I fear the cloud :) | 15:27 |
| TheSimkin | aajgar: does it have linuxBios? | 15:27 |
| aajgar | No . I don't see any such option , | 15:27 |
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| mneptok | bigjools: don;t you live in the UK? fearing clouds means you live in a bomb shelter eating whatever vermin wander by. | 15:28 |
| bigjools | mneptok: nearly, a shed at the bottom of my garden | 15:29 |
| bigjools | mneptok: I used to be in a cupboard under the stairs, like Harry Potter | 15:29 |
| TheSimkin | aajgar: what kinda bios does it have? | 15:29 |
| mneptok | aajgar: i can help. | 15:30 |
| mneptok | aajgar: are you booting *only* Linux on this machine? | 15:30 |
| aajgar | no, I have windows 7 on this laptop and I was to install ubuntu as dual boot , | 15:31 |
| * mneptok waves at aajgar from Xubuntu running on his ThinkPad X120e with UEFI-only boot enabled | 15:31 | |
| mneptok | aajgar: when you go to partition, you'll find a 100-200MB FAT32 partition at the beginning of the disk. tell Linux to mount that at /boot/efi | 15:32 |
| mneptok | aajgar: the rest you can partition as you please. install in legacy mode, then use a CD to boot, and select "Boot from first hard disk" | 15:32 |
| aajgar | ok , so, we can't boot from a USB ? | 15:33 |
| mneptok | aajgar: that will boot the laptop. then look in /boot/efi/ubuntu and you'll find an EFI bootstub that you can move to /boot/efi//boot/ | 15:33 |
| mneptok | aajgar: mine boots fine from USB | 15:33 |
| aajgar | how did you create the USB ? using unetbootin ? | 15:34 |
| mneptok | aajgar: using the "Create startup disk" tool on another Ubuntu machine | 15:34 |
| aajgar | ok , any special options required ? | 15:35 |
| aajgar | I know 11.10 had uefi in the iso ., | 15:35 |
| aajgar | also, should I enable legacy mode in BIOS ? | 15:35 |
| mneptok | aajgar: i enabled legacy only while installing. after i installed, then istalled grub-efi packages, then moved that bootstub file, i am able to boot with UEFI-only in the BIOS | 15:37 |
| aajgar | ok , | 15:37 |
| mneptok | sorry, forgot to mention the grub EFI packages you'll need. | 15:37 |
| aajgar | grub-efi is included in 11.10 beta build ? | 15:38 |
| jbwiv | at least, I believe that's what the problem is. Xinerama across multiple X servers works fine with Ubuntu classic | 15:50 |
| jbwiv | woops | 15:50 |
| jbwiv | wrong line ;) | 15:51 |
| jbwiv | anyone know if 11.10 will support xinerama with compiz? I use three monitors and can't use unity in 11.04 because of the reliance on compiz | 15:51 |
| ikonia | jbwiv: xinerama doesn't support 3d acceleration, so I don't see how it can work with compiz | 15:51 |
| jbwiv | ikonia, ok. do you know if there's an alternative way to run three monitors via two gfx cards? | 15:52 |
| ikonia | jbwiv: you can do it, it just won't do 3d acceleration | 15:53 |
| ikonia | jbwiv: so things like compiz for example won't be useful, | 15:53 |
| jbwiv | ikonia, so if I want to use unity, I'll have to use unity 2d? | 15:53 |
| ikonia | but if you just want a desktop spamming 3 monitors, it should be fine | 15:53 |
| ikonia | jbwiv: as I understand it, "yes" but I'm not a massive unity buff, | 15:53 |
| jbwiv | k | 15:54 |
| ikonia | jbwiv: that's certainly not fact, but I can't see how you could use 3d | 15:54 |
| jbwiv | but as far as you know, there's no way to get 3 desktops *and* 3d acceleration | 15:54 |
| ikonia | jbwiv: intel cards may work due to how they do acceleration | 15:54 |
| ikonia | jbwiv: nvidia no, ati, not %100 sure | 15:54 |
| jbwiv | ikonia, ok, thanks! | 15:55 |
| ikonia | jbwiv: I've certainly done intel over 2 desktops, so I have no reason to doubt a 3rd | 15:55 |
| jbwiv | is unity 2d going to be stable and ready with 11.10? | 15:55 |
| ikonia | don't know, not a big unity buff | 15:55 |
| ikonia | jbwiv: I'd say at least as stable as 11.04 | 15:56 |
| jbwiv | ikonia, ok, thanks | 15:58 |
| bjsnider | jbwiv, the one sure-fire way to figure out of what you want to do is possible is to try it | 16:00 |
| bjsnider | there aren't going to be a lot of people in this room with 2 graphics cards driving 3 monitors | 16:01 |
| jbwiv | bjsnider, you haven't lived until you've tried it ;) | 16:03 |
| jbwiv | but I understand | 16:03 |
| ikonia | bjsnider: I have a setup with 4 monitors, which until recently had 6 | 16:04 |
| bjsnider | well, you can never have too many monitors | 16:04 |
| ikonia | I accept the limititations of no acceleration though | 16:04 |
| bjsnider | ikonia is such an overachiever that every time he needs to open a new window he buys a monitor to display it on its own desktop | 16:09 |
| Chat2697 | wellll?! xd | 16:33 |
| Chat2697 | helllooooooooo? | 16:34 |
| ian_mac_ | how do I configure Ubuntu to start without the graphical shell? | 16:37 |
| Seven_Six_Two | I tried to install beta2 to see if I could fix my pulseaudio(won't start) and it isn't showing my raid devices! It asks if I'd like to enable them, just before the partitioner, but they aren't listed with my partitions. | 16:38 |
| Seven_Six_Two | ian_mac_, you can uninstall whatever is starting, xdm,kdm,gdm,lightdm | 16:39 |
| ian_mac_ | okay | 16:39 |
| ian_mac_ | by default that is lightdm correct? | 16:39 |
| Seven_Six_Two | ian_mac_, yes, unless you updated from 11.04 and didn't switch it | 16:40 |
| ian_mac_ | no this is a fresh install of the nightly I downloaded yesterday | 16:40 |
| Seven_Six_Two | oh dang. I read the raid instructions backwards. I thought it said that trying to do it without the alternate will fail... | 17:00 |
| damidalla | Hi everybody, I have updated my system, had a hangup using a video program, I forced hardware restart (no tty access -.-) and now I cannot login anymore, with a unity-greeter segfault in kern.log :( | 17:02 |
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| Seven_Six_Two | damidalla, can you get to a console with alt+ctrl+f1 | 17:14 |
| damidalla | I know, and I could not | 17:14 |
| damidalla | I had no tty access - and the problem was still in tty1 booting | 17:15 |
| Seven_Six_Two | damidalla, are you getting a kernel panic? | 17:15 |
| damidalla | no, I got only a cycle of black screen -> text -> mouse on black -> black screen -> text ... | 17:15 |
| damidalla | now I am on Windows - argh! | 17:16 |
| Seven_Six_Two | does that keep cycling, or does it stop at some point? | 17:16 |
| damidalla | it kept on for a few minutes, until I rebooted | 17:16 |
| damidalla | the only hint I have is a kern.log message with a segfault of unity-greeter | 17:17 |
| Seven_Six_Two | damidalla, hmm...perhaps you could...boot a live cd, mount the / somewhere and chroot to it, then reinstall unity-greeter? | 17:17 |
| damidalla | uhm... sounds good :D I'll try it, there's always a first time for everything :D | 17:18 |
| damidalla | the only time I used chroot I did a rm -rf... deleting my whole home XD | 17:18 |
| damidalla | I'll try :) | 17:19 |
| Seven_Six_Two | oh yeah, don't use that! lol | 17:19 |
| damidalla | XD I know, I forgot the path to delete XD | 17:19 |
| damidalla | do you suggest a live boot from a daily image or from the last alpha/beta of oneiric? | 17:19 |
| Seven_Six_Two | I would use one of the betas | 17:20 |
| nhaines | ian_mac_: Do you want to configure Ubuntu to start without the graphical shell, or do you want to install Ubuntu Server and not even have a graphical shell? | 17:21 |
| edgy | Hi, is radeon 6770M supported? | 17:27 |
| IdleOne | Question: what does :386 do in sudo apt-get install libxss1:i386 ? | 17:39 |
| organiks | hey all | 17:41 |
| yofel | IdleOne: install the 32bit libxss1 on a 64-bit system? | 17:42 |
| yofel | that's multiarch syntax | 17:42 |
| IdleOne | yofel: ah, ok. | 17:42 |
| IdleOne | thanks | 17:42 |
| IdleOne | all this to get skype running :/ | 17:44 |
| IdleOne | yofel: thanks for the info. skype is working now :) | 17:48 |
| ahel | wubi tell me global name 'cd_path' is not defined and exit without completing installation | 17:49 |
| yofel | hmpf, skype | 17:49 |
| yofel | on the topic: does someone know how to override the skype sound settings? | 17:49 |
| yofel | for me it recogises my speakers as the microphone and my HDMI output as speakers | 17:50 |
| bjsnider | i think there's a sound settings screen | 17:50 |
| yofel | I found that, but that only gave me my speaker devices in the microphone settings, and all speaker devices had 'HDMI' in their name | 17:52 |
| Drakeson | I have unset the gnome-terminal option which says "Enable menu access keys (such as Alt+F to open the File menu)", yet when I press Alt the list in the unity-2d-panel appears. Do you also have this same issue? | 17:53 |
| jtaylor | install the i386 version | 17:55 |
| Drakeson | me? | 17:56 |
| jtaylor | no sry | 17:57 |
| jtaylor | got disconnected, that was a reply to something half an hour ago ^^ | 17:57 |
| Drakeson | heh. no worries :) | 17:58 |
| CQ | hello, I have a problem... the netwrk manager for UMTS connections seems to not work, when I log in it asks for the pin, it then asks for my password to activate the device, then I manually tell it to connect to a network, and then it stays at Waiting for Authorization and stops there | 18:17 |
| CQ | wireless networks seem to work, even though I can't test that at the moment | 18:17 |
| CQ | this is on the beta 2 updated today | 18:21 |
| edgy | yofel: and why do we need all those i386 packages now, they were not availabe in previous ubuntu versions? | 18:28 |
| yofel | edgy: they were in ia32-libs, and that package is getting deprecated | 18:30 |
| edgy | yofel: but that package is till available | 18:31 |
| edgy | yofel: and even installed in my system | 18:32 |
| yofel | yeah, but without those libraries that have been multiarched | 18:32 |
| drbobb | okay, so I started the new kmail for the first time. it offered to migrate my old settings and data. this operation promptly failed, and now I'm stuck - kmail crashes as soon as it's launched | 18:37 |
| edgy | yofel: to save space or what? | 18:37 |
| edgy | drbobb: hope you have a backup | 18:37 |
| bjsnider | edgy, there is a high probability that you don't need that package anymore | 18:38 |
| drbobb | I don't care about my old data. everything is on my imap server anyway. I could start anew and just config my accounts all over. but I can't | 18:39 |
| edgy | bjsnider: you mean the one with i386 or the ia32-libs? | 18:39 |
| bjsnider | ia32-libs | 18:39 |
| edgy | drbobb: why you can't? | 18:39 |
| edgy | bjsnider: I don't know then why it is installed on my installation | 18:40 |
| drbobb | because I don't know how to launch kmail without it crashing right away | 18:40 |
| drbobb | anyway all the old stuff seems to be still there, in .kde/share/apps/kmail/ | 18:42 |
| drbobb | but the new kmail won't launch | 18:42 |
| edgy | bjsnider: I think wine needs it | 18:43 |
| edgy | drbobb: you removed the kmail folder and still you are getting the crash? | 18:43 |
| drbobb | edgy: no, why would I want to remove it | 18:44 |
| bjsnider | edgy, not if you install wine:i386 | 18:45 |
| edgy | drbobb: your crash is due to an old config mostly, and since your mails are on the server, why not you remove it and start really from scratch | 18:45 |
| ahel | wubi-11.10-rev236 -> ERROR TaskList: global name 'cd_path' is not defined | 18:45 |
| drbobb | edgy: because it seems the new kmail no longer uses the kmail dir anyway | 18:46 |
| drbobb | there is now a kmail2 dir, but there's essentially nothing in it | 18:46 |
| edgy | drbobb: you will not lose something if you try, at least try | 18:46 |
| drbobb | from what I see kmail2 uses some obscure pile of breakage called akonadi | 18:47 |
| edgy | bjsnider: apt-get install wine:i386 or what? | 18:47 |
| drbobb | which is opaque enough to prevent me from fixing anything by hand | 18:47 |
| cwillu_at_work | drbobb, just mv it somewhere else if you're scared | 18:48 |
| cwillu_at_work | (a good habit anyway; you can always delete it later) | 18:48 |
| edgy | cwillu_at_work said it better | 18:49 |
| drbobb | cwillu_at_work: i'm afraid this had no effect | 18:49 |
| cwillu_at_work | drbobb, not my problem :p | 18:49 |
| cwillu_at_work | I'm just pointing out the "mv, don't rm, so you can undo" aspect :p | 18:49 |
| drbobb | okay, guess we can just assume that kmail is currently broken | 18:50 |
| cwillu_at_work | on the other hand, I do stunts with btrfs ("don't try this as /home"), so... | 18:50 |
| drbobb | and since i do need to send mail, could you suggest some other client? | 18:51 |
| cwillu_at_work | gmail? | 18:51 |
| drbobb | preferably one that won't pull in all of gnome behind it when installed | 18:52 |
| cwillu_at_work | booting into your stable install or switching to your work machine? | 18:52 |
| drbobb | my work machine happens to be at work, I don't enjoy going there by night | 18:52 |
| cwillu_at_work | (because using a beta on a machine you require to get work done, when the beta isn't your work, is somewhat silly :p) | 18:52 |
| drbobb | cwillu_at_work: absolutely, except that the stable release was almost as broken as the beta is | 18:53 |
| drbobb | and I lost patience with dealing with its breakage | 18:53 |
| cwillu_at_work | I think you went the wrong direction :p | 18:53 |
| cwillu_at_work | retreat to the lts | 18:53 |
| drbobb | nevermind | 18:54 |
| * cwillu_at_work 's opinions are do not represent those of users, ubuntuforums, or canonical, and may cause cancer | 18:54 | |
| drbobb | each release is broken in its own different ways | 18:54 |
| * cwillu_at_work do not take cwillu_at_work with alcohol | 18:55 | |
| cwillu_at_work | ask your doctor before taking cwillu_at_work. If you develop symptoms such as btrfs root or python development, contact your doctor immediately | 18:55 |
| cwillu_at_work | Warning: may cause ssd's | 18:56 |
| drbobb | the kde devs do seem to specialize in fixing what wasn't broken, and breaking it in the process | 18:56 |
| cwillu_at_work | drbobb, they're most certainly not unique in that :p | 18:57 |
| * cwillu_at_work will say no more :p | 18:57 | |
| drbobb | no problem, all I wanted was some magic incantation to unbreak my kmail | 18:58 |
| CQ | hello, I have a problem... the netwrk manager for UMTS connections seems to not work, when I log in it asks for the pin, it then asks for my password to activate the device, then I manually tell it to connect to a network, and then it stays at Waiting for Authorization and stops there | 18:58 |
| drbobb | if you have none, than say no more is okay with me | 18:58 |
| bjsnider | drbobb, you don't have a high an opinion of kde as you used to i guess? | 19:04 |
| bjsnider | there's a more kde-centric channel, #kubuntu-devel, that might be more help than this one | 19:05 |
| drbobb | bjsnider: yeah, it seems to be going downhill at an alarming rate | 19:05 |
| bjsnider | actually, if you graph it, the downhill trend would go back several years | 19:06 |
| drbobb | nowadays it has become too opaque, when something breaks there's no way to figure out wtf went wrong | 19:07 |
| bjsnider | it used to serve a purpose where curious windows users found it to be a more accessible alternative, before htey eventually switched over to gnome. what purpose it serves now is a mystery | 19:08 |
| drbobb | in its day kde was technically waaaay ahead of gnome | 19:08 |
| drbobb | I know, I actually tried using gnome v1 | 19:09 |
| drbobb | back when gnome mc was the default file manager | 19:09 |
| drbobb | okay so I figured out that in case of trouble I'm supposed to run something called kmail-migrator, manually | 19:15 |
| drbobb | too bad t just segfaults | 19:15 |
| Ian_Corne | that's maybe what's crashing your launching of kmail in the first place | 19:15 |
| Ian_Corne | you can try moving your config files and other files related to kmail | 19:16 |
| drbobb | recommend me a lightweight imap client, anyone, puhleeeze | 19:16 |
| bjsnider | why use a mail client? | 19:16 |
| drbobb | Ian_Corne: sure I can try and I did, but it didn't help | 19:17 |
| Ian_Corne | drbobb: try making a new user and see if kmail launches there | 19:17 |
| drbobb | bjsnider: like, for reading and sending mail? | 19:17 |
| Ian_Corne | so you're sure it's not that | 19:17 |
| bjsnider | you can use a browser for that | 19:17 |
| bjsnider | the exact situation you're in right now is why mail clients have gotten less popular | 19:18 |
| bjsnider | you will eventually lose all of your saved settings | 19:18 |
| drbobb | my webmail doesn't handle recipient lists of hundreds | 19:18 |
| drbobb | (and no I am not a spammer) | 19:18 |
| cwillu_at_work | drbobb, sounds like a job for a mailing list | 19:19 |
| Seven_Six_Two | I'm having lots of trouble. I want to reinstall to fix pulseaudio(won't start). I downloaded alternate install of beta2. I can't install on fakeraid with it. I downloaded dvd of beta2, It won't progress farther than blurry purple wallpaper and a nice mouse cursor. I downloaded nightly cd, the site says it's 697mb, it's ~730. I burned it to a dvd, and I can get to a desktop (try it first) but nothing responds to the mouse. Th | 19:19 |
| Seven_Six_Two | e cursor moves, that's it. | 19:19 |
| drbobb | cwillu_at_work: been there done that | 19:19 |
| Seven_Six_Two | bjsnider, I don't lose settings when I reinstall, and I use a client because I have multiple accounts and multiple computers | 19:19 |
| drbobb | but it's not practical if the recipient list is different every time | 19:19 |
| bjsnider | Seven_Six_Two, you haven't lost settings yet. you will eventually | 19:21 |
| Seven_Six_Two | bjsnider, why do you think that? My settings are in my home, on a separate, backed up, partition | 19:21 |
| drbobb | bjsnider: I can recreate those settings in a matter of minutes | 19:22 |
| bjsnider | backing it up makes it less likely, but still possible, and a lot more effort | 19:22 |
| bjsnider | even if you have multiple accounts a browser is still as fast | 19:22 |
| Seven_Six_Two | bjsnider, um, no. That's actually just plain wrong. | 19:23 |
| Seven_Six_Two | you think you can log in to and check mail for 6 accounts faster than I can start evolution? | 19:23 |
| Ian_Corne | Seven_Six_Two: | 19:24 |
| Ian_Corne | it all comes in my gmail :p | 19:24 |
| Ian_Corne | so yes :D | 19:24 |
| Ian_Corne | but i don't mind mail clients | 19:24 |
| Ian_Corne | they have their place for people that want that | 19:24 |
| drbobb | evolution happens to be very bad at handling lots of recipients | 19:24 |
| Seven_Six_Two | lol. I guess if you're just going to forward everything. That's a pain if you have to reply to something with its incoming account (I have to for school) | 19:25 |
| Ian_Corne | Seven_Six_Two: gmail allows you to setupd a diffrent smtp | 19:25 |
| Ian_Corne | i don't forward, I fetch :) | 19:25 |
| bjsnider | they have their place, but they've been decimated compared to 10 years ago | 19:25 |
| bjsnider | what if the data becomes corrupted, the backup runs, and now the backup is also corrupted? | 19:26 |
| Ian_Corne | are you still talking about mail clients? | 19:27 |
| Ian_Corne | because you can just leave your message on the mailserver | 19:27 |
| Seven_Six_Two | bjsnider, what if meteors fall and destroy the server holding your emails? | 19:29 |
| Ian_Corne | now you're just playing in the cards of the cloud :p | 19:30 |
| bjsnider | gmail is a distributed system, so no one server by itself is very important | 19:30 |
| bjsnider | basically the whole united states would have to be destroyed | 19:30 |
| drbobb | I use gmail all the time, but there are a few tasks I just can't achieve with it | 19:31 |
| bjsnider | for example an earthquake that's a 25 | 19:31 |
| Seven_Six_Two | lol...of course anything can happen. when it's here, I can control it. It's not like mail providers (including gmail) haven't had accidents and deleted data | 19:31 |
| bjsnider | drbobb, is it possible that there is a way that you haven't discovered yet? | 19:32 |
| Ian_Corne | more then just the US | 19:32 |
| bjsnider | well, ok, most of the world would have to be destroyed | 19:33 |
| bjsnider | which, at that point, would render the issue of my mail account rather meaningless | 19:33 |
| drbobb | bjsnider: frankly, I don't care (as long as I have a working mail client) | 19:33 |
| Seven_Six_Two | it's been fun. I'm waiting for the nightly to boot (hopefully it works this time). going to collect walnuts | 19:34 |
| |Slacker| | hello | 19:39 |
| |Slacker| | how do I set up my fonts in oneiric? | 19:39 |
| drbobb | same as in natty afaics | 19:40 |
| bjsnider | gnome-tweak-tool | 19:40 |
| |Slacker| | nope... | 19:40 |
| |Slacker| | thanks | 19:41 |
| * drbobb gets himself some thunderbird | 19:42 | |
| Ian_Corne | yeah, i wouldn't use evolution anymore | 19:43 |
| drbobb | uhh kmail is a lot nicer (when it works..) | 19:46 |
| drbobb | I can't even easily change the From: address.. | 19:47 |
| bjsnider | drbobb, thunderbird? | 19:53 |
| drbobb | bjsnider: yeah | 20:04 |
| drbobb | kmail more or less works correctly on a fresh account, it's the migration tool that's broken | 20:06 |
| drbobb | thunderbird looks pretty clunky by comparison | 20:06 |
| |Slacker| | ok...I've downloaded a .deb package but software center insists on an internal error, how do I install it through cli? | 20:08 |
| Ian_Corne | dpkg -i | 20:08 |
| jtaylor | gdebi or dpkg -i && apt-get install -f | 20:08 |
| |Slacker| | thanks | 20:09 |
| drbobb | dang, the no-sound-from-browsers bug comes from user settings. sound works on a freshly created account | 20:44 |
| Volkodav | anybody has problems with xsane on brother scanners ? The driver installed fine but can not find the device on MFC-7860DW | 20:59 |
| Volkodav | scans fine in 10.04 | 20:59 |
| Volkodav | 11.04* | 20:59 |
| bjsnider | Volkodav, does simple scan work? | 21:05 |
| Volkodav | nope | 21:06 |
| Volkodav | same thing no er s foundscann | 21:06 |
| Volkodav | no | 21:06 |
| Volkodav | no scanner found* | 21:06 |
| bjsnider | well, maybe you should submit a bug | 21:06 |
| Volkodav | I e-mailed Brother support first see what they say | 21:07 |
| === Shadows`sleep is now known as SoulShadow | ||
| User_007 | Hello! How are you guys? | 22:15 |
| User_007 | I have a doubt... what´s the difference between Natty's Unity and Oneiric's Unity? | 22:16 |
| User_007 | i have heard that Natty's Unity is written on GTK2, and Oneiric's Unity is written on GTK3... is that true? | 22:18 |
| ali1234 | yes | 22:18 |
| bjsnider | jbicha, are you around? | 22:18 |
| ali1234 | that's why we don't get a backport on oneiric's unity with all the hundreds of bugfixes that have been made | 22:18 |
| User_007 | so there is no way to make possible to oneiric's users to use Natty's Unity? | 22:20 |
| ali1234 | i dunno. why would you want to do that? unity in natty is awfully buggy... | 22:21 |
| User_007 | I don't think so... it was pretty good for me (AMD64), and now Oneiric's is very very slow... | 22:22 |
| ali1234 | i wish it was only slow for me | 22:22 |
| ali1234 | i would recommend you do a bisect to find the regression in oneiric, but a) bzr bisect is useless, and b) you can't even compile old oneiric versions because there's so much code churn | 22:23 |
| User_007 | and i don't know why, but i can't even watch a video (like 800x480) without a lot of lags... i had swiched to unity-2d | 22:24 |
| ali1234 | unity-2d is nice | 22:24 |
| ali1234 | based on a *good* toolkit | 22:24 |
| ali1234 | i'm planning on installing it | 22:24 |
| ali1234 | even though i could run 3d | 22:24 |
| jbicha | bjsnider: sort of | 22:24 |
| User_007 | yeah, it's cool, but i was very happy on Natty's unity | 22:26 |
| bjsnider | jbicha, i'm having an issue with gnome-shell, i went to their channel to ask about it, and based on the info i gave them, they said this is the issue: | 22:26 |
| bjsnider | "your gconfd daemon and libgconf disagree about ipc (one using orbit, the other dbus)" | 22:26 |
| jbicha | bjsnider: did you uninstall everything orbit? orbit is obsolete | 22:27 |
| WaltherFI | How well does plymouth splash support i5/i7 sandy bridge integrated graphics? | 22:27 |
| bjsnider | ok, i figure something is left over from ricotz's ppa | 22:28 |
| User_007 | Is there a way we can ask Ubuntu Developers to have an option to use Natty's Unity alternativelly on Oneiric? | 22:29 |
| ali1234 | User_007: you can ask them, but they'll say no | 22:29 |
| User_007 | Since the new unity is very laggy for some users? | 22:29 |
| User_007 | humm okay | 22:29 |
| User_007 | how to contact them? | 22:29 |
| ali1234 | have you filed a bug about the lag? | 22:30 |
| User_007 | not at all | 22:30 |
| ali1234 | well the first thing you should do is search launchpad for the bug | 22:31 |
| ali1234 | and if you don't find it, post it | 22:31 |
| User_007 | do i need to make an account? | 22:31 |
| ali1234 | yes | 22:31 |
| User_007 | okay, i will try something latter, thanks | 22:31 |
| bjsnider | jbicha, there's an artistic app called agave that will pull in liborbit2 | 22:33 |
| jbicha | bjsnider: did you try removing orbit and seeing if that fixes your problem? | 22:44 |
| bjsnider | jbicha, i removed it. i wil have to wait awhile to see if it fixes the issue | 22:48 |
| ali1234 | what is the purpose of the "install updates during install" option in the installer? | 23:43 |
| ali1234 | i mean it sounds obvious, but it does not appear to do anything? | 23:43 |
| ali1234 | oh ok, it just downloads them, but not install them | 23:45 |
| ali1234 | updating beta 2 = broken OS :( | 23:52 |
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