[00:05] when I start pulseaudio -v, I don't see any errors. This is the last bit: [00:06] I: [combine] core-util.c: Successfully enabled SCHED_RR scheduling for thread, with priority 6. [00:06] Killed [00:46] I'm having problems getting my Ralink wifi adapter working. I used to be able to get the proper rt2860sta module with the pre-3.0 kernels, but now modprobe can't find it. I stuck the old module file from my old kernel into my current module directory, yet it still cannot find it. Any help is appreciated. [00:47] i need an apt version without fsync [00:48] apt-get upgrade (100mb) takes more then 24h to complete [00:48] this sucks! [00:49] Woops. Did that go through guys? My ethernet cable doesn't have a clip and it gets disconnected from the slightest movement. [00:49] yeah get a new plug [00:50] this is just temporary. here's why [00:50] I'm having problems getting my Ralink wifi adapter working. I used to be able to get the proper rt2860sta module with the pre-3.0 kernels, but now modprobe can't find it. I stuck the old module file from my old kernel into my current module directory, yet it still cannot find it. Any help is appreciated. [00:50] copy it from the old kernel to the new [00:50] your firmware and stuff [00:50] google the module [00:50] isn't firmware bios-level? [00:51] trust me I've done plenty of googling before I came here [00:52] no [00:52] its a binary firmware or something [00:53] so basically modules? [00:53] what happens if you type sudo modprobe rt2860sta [00:53] says not found [00:53] I've tried a bunch of stuff [00:54] apt-get install firmware-ralink [00:55] eh... not in the repos [00:55] Is there a repo for kernel modules? [00:56] not that i know of [00:56] find the firmware [00:56] http://packages.debian.org/de/sid/firmware-ralink [00:57] and sudo dpkg install firmware-ralink_0.33._all.deb or something [00:59] refuses to be install. I'm no Sherlock Holmes, but I'm pretty sure this is for Debian Sid [00:59] unpack the deb and copy it manually [00:59] data.tar inside there [01:00] ugh why should I have to jury rig my system just to get this to work? FIne I'll try. [01:01] trust me, i know what i'm doing [01:03] inside wher [01:03] e [01:03] ? [01:03] wait [01:06] you upgraded your old kernel [01:06] no it's a fresh install [01:07] not so good at this psychic stuff huh? [01:08] wait im talking to god [01:08] Peter_Bilt, aren't you glad you tried to help this guy? [01:09] i assume he's jumping for joy [01:10] its lib/firmware [01:10] k [01:11] i am a monk, so i have things to do in the background [01:11] i got 3 folders in the .deb file: DEBIAN, lib, and usr [01:11] go to lib [01:12] seriously or are you just pulling my leg? [01:12] then firmware [01:12] copy the content of the firmware directory to /lib/firmware [01:14] modprobe still says not found. What should I call the module? [01:14] is that thing blacklisted? [01:14] no [01:14] rt2800pci is sopposed to be but i took it off [01:15] i'll double check [01:15] nope [01:15] very difficult [01:15] brb [01:16] ifconfig wlan0 up [01:16] lspci -nnk | grep -iA2 net [01:16] do you see some kernel modules loaded? [01:17] otherwise you need to manualy compile those driver somehow, [01:18] shows the Ralink RT3090 [01:18] want me to pastebin? [01:18] yeah paste bills [01:19] i can get the pci driver loaded but it tells me "unmanaged" in the network applet, and I can't use it [01:19] http://paste.ubuntu.com/698232/ [01:21] modprobe rt2800pci [01:21] did that and did ifconfig wlan0 up and it still says unmanaged [01:21] sounds like bugs [01:21] well yeah [01:22] this whole thing is due to conflicting drivers [01:22] it's been in the kernel for years [01:22] but I've been able to fix it before kernel 3 [01:22] i think you need to download the kernel module and compile it [01:23] would it have the extension ".ko"? [01:23] yes [01:25] http://www.ralinktech.com/support.php?s=2 [01:25] I assume I must get the one for my kernel version? [01:25] get the propriate driver for your hardware [01:26] then do: sudo apt-get install build-essential dkms fakeroot patch linux-headers-$(uname -r) [01:28] ok [01:28] well, there are going to be a lot of kernel updates in the next few weeks [01:28] and he'll have to compile it back in every time [01:29] yeah that sucks [01:29] good thing I kept my old install... [01:30] edit the rt2860sta.dat [01:30] i paste the thing [01:31] uh yeah... you're gonna have to tell me where that is [01:32] if this works you can use dkms to recompile the driver for every new kernel automatically [01:32] http://pastebin.com/e3sFckqU [01:32] you can also query the kernel team about it and submit a bug about it to get their attention [01:33] what would you suggest I tell them? [01:34] http://www.ralinktech.com/license_us.php?n=2&p=1&t=U0wyRnpjMlYwY3k4eU1ERXdMekF6THpNeEwyUnZkMjVzYjJGa01UWTBNamsyTVRBNE1pNTZhWEE5UFQxU1ZESTROakJmUm1seWJYZGhjbVZmVmpJMkM%3D [01:34] well, if you're taking to the kernel team in irc just say that your wifi chip doesn't work and so forth and so on [01:35] there's also a linux-backports-wireless package that has yet to be built which is always included in ubuntu after it's stable to offer better drivers than ship in the standard kernel [01:36] it doesn't get created until towards the end of the dev cycle though [01:36] Well this doesn't sound that easy. I think I'll go back to the old system and see if this doesn't resolve itself through updates. [01:37] Thank you, guys. [01:37] there are usb dongles that are going to be much more functional than this chip [01:37] i ganjagree [01:37] Oh wow [01:38] Hehe later [01:38] amen [02:04] Lubuntu [02:04] Beta3 === lolcat is now known as Be === Be is now known as lolcat [03:23] After the update, pulseaudio won't start. Sound works from media players, no panel volume control. Complete details at http://pastebin.com/LFxWJW7d === SoulShadow is now known as Shadows`sleep [04:02] can someone please pastebin their /etc/pulse/client.conf ? Thanks [05:22] Hello [05:23] I have a question about updates and betas (in general). [05:23] Is it safe to run the updates on a beta? [05:23] anybody? [05:24] safe is a relative state [05:24] true [05:24] sometimes the updates end up breaking something or another making the OS unbootable [05:25] but I thought I remember being advised never to run updates on a beta OS. It corrupts somethign or other [05:25] that! [05:25] So generally the sound advice is to not update? [05:25] but in general, I would say that it is safer to run the updates than not [05:25] oh ok- cool. [05:25] Thanks IdleOne [05:25] digital_838: ... [05:26] you can always come here and check the topic for any warnings and ask the channel. [05:26] major issues are usually put into the topic [05:26] ahh ok cool... again much appreciated info. [05:26] sure thing [05:27] digital_838 Beta2 seems stable enough for updates the alpha2 i ran didn't update so well they changed the log-in so it crashed on me :( [06:40] i cudnt boot ubuntu 11.10 from usb, tried unetbootin, live usb install, universal... etc [06:40] someone plz help [06:43] hello? [06:43] anyone online? [06:43] i cudnt boot ubuntu 11.10 from usb, tried unetbootin, live usb install, universal... etc [06:51] pahnin, what happens? [06:51] it says boot error [06:52] pahnin, have you checked the md5sum of the IOSO? [06:52] ISO [06:52] hmm, nopes but its installed correctly anyway [06:52] i'm gonna check md5 [06:52] thnx [06:52] sure [07:20] Hello I cudnt install ubuntu from usb? it says boot error.. Tried all booting softwares checkd md5 [07:23] pahnin, what specific image are you trying to install from [07:42] sagaci, oneric daily live oneiric-desktop-amd64.iso [07:44] anyone online? [08:00] sagaci, oneric daily live oneiric-desktop-amd64.iso [08:18] Can anyone help me figure out a problem I have. My laptop is fast as anything on battery but as soon as i plug in my charger its unusable [08:20] karlhunt, weird! only on ubuntu? [08:21] yes [08:21] win7 is fine [08:21] and so was 11.04 [08:22] lt the system [08:22] may be the power manager in 11.10 causing problm [08:23] pahnin, It tired disabling acpi on the grub boot line as per an old similar issue on hardy [08:23] hi. how do i set the default display manager? [08:24] e.g. how do i make gdm to start automatically, after i removed lightdm [08:24] but that made no difference [08:25] dont know what else to change [08:36] aha [08:37] if i clock my cpu down [08:37] it fixes it! [08:40] its definately sandy bridge related [08:40] if I change brightness with my keys it also locks up [08:43] karlhunt: which notebook manufacturer? [08:43] Dell [09:11] hmm anyone else seeing firefox and thunderbird firing up with no window decoration since the last round of updates? [09:11] everything else seems fine [09:23] well, incase anyone else starts to be affected I've filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/861265 [09:23] Ubuntu bug 861265 in firefox (Ubuntu) "[Oneiric] [Regression] firefox title bar does not appear (same problem with thunderbird) no window decoration for either application." [Undecided,New] [11:00] is beta 2 deemed usable? my 11.04 is broken, and I'm considering using 11.10 in my reinstall. [11:00] define usable [11:00] in what respect ? [11:00] stable for business/school work, stable development platform, [11:01] play with that may crash [11:01] "will boot a desktop" [11:01] please define usable [11:07] ikonia: usable for me is: usable for a programmer @ work, when that programmer is willing to suffer sporadic crashes and bugs [11:08] tasslehoff: no [11:08] (in that case, no) [11:09] ikonia: too bad. any particular issues? [11:10] nothing springs to mind [11:11] ikonia: but it's not usable? [11:12] not in the manner you suggest [11:13] ok [11:36] any ubuntu bugfixers in here? [11:44] RobinJ: not me, but what's your problem? [12:01] I've had enough of kubuntu. Definitely switching to ubuntu again... Just wondering if I should wait until 13. Oct, or is the Beta2 stable enough? [12:04] oal: I'm still getting sporadic compiz crashes on occasion, and some odd behaviour now and again [12:04] oal: depends if you're comfortable fixing stuff if/when it breaks [12:04] oal: currently I'm facing bug 861265 [12:05] Launchpad bug 861265 in firefox (Ubuntu) "[Oneiric] [Regression] firefox title bar does not appear (same problem with thunderbird) no window decoration for either application." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/861265 [12:05] which is quite irritating :o) [12:05] Stanley00: that this is a rather critical bug and it's being throughly ignored on launchpad: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/858916 [12:05] Ubuntu bug 858916 in Ubuntu "Graphic card 108°C in Ubuntu 11.10" [Undecided,New] [12:06] is it normal that there are still critical bugs like this in 2 weeks before release? or is this just going to be another beta stage release like 11.04? [12:07] drussell: hmm, are you using 11.10 as your main os now? [12:07] dude, there are critical bugs still in 11.04 [12:07] ;> [12:07] i killed my system twice by putting it in standby mode while update restart was pending [12:07] what the hell?! :> [12:08] oal: yes, but I'm also prepared for a certain degree of pain [12:08] RobinJ: what's your graphic card? My lappy is cooler when using oneiric... [12:08] NVidia Quadro NVS110 M [12:09] drussell: I think I'll grab the iso and try it with liveusb first [12:11] RobinJ: it doesn't help that the bug doesn't have all the features set that would allow people to find it easily [12:11] drussell: what do you mean? [12:12] RobinJ: ideally you should select a package that the bug is applicable to [12:12] RobinJ: the xorg drivers for your card for example [12:12] yeah but as i dont have a clue what package that would be... [12:12] nouveau? [12:13] RobinJ: most likely xserver-xorg-video-nouveau [12:14] RobinJ: and put nouveau and/or nvidia in the title of the bug [12:14] tags: added: nouveau [12:14] affects: ubuntu → xserver-xorg-video-nouveau (Ubuntu) [12:14] ok [12:15] summary: - Graphic card 108°C in Ubuntu 11.10 [12:15] + [nouveau?] Graphic card 108°C in Ubuntu 11.10 [12:15] something else i could do? [12:15] but the truth is, if you're the only one affected so far... it's a numbers game, we're looking to handle the bugs that have 100's of people subscribed to them [12:15] ... right.... and as my mother (with the same kind of laptop and the same problem) doesnt even know what launchpad is... [12:16] RobinJ: have you tried the binary driver? I wouldn't normally recommend it, but just asking... [12:16] no as i havent risced installing something that could kill my hardware and i'm not going to [12:17] plus the fact that the installation just crashes ;p [12:17] RobinJ: this sound like your problem? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1825110 [12:18] this looks as if its going to be one hell of a buggy release to me [12:18] no, thats what my temperatures normally look like in natty [12:18] nowhere near a 108°C [12:19] RobinJ: you seen page 2? [12:19] no only read the first post yet xd [12:19] RobinJ: keep reading, and if it sounds like the same, might be worth posing the bug number there also [12:20] RobinJ: he's talking about temps over 90 when idle [12:20] yeah and im talking about temperatures over 100°C while idle :p [12:20] but sounds like the same problem yes === Amaranthus is now known as Amaranth [12:20] RobinJ: indeed, variations in laptops could well be the difference in temps [12:20] except that i cant confirm if my laptop is running cooler in fedora as gnome3 is acting.... ridicule :p [12:23] i put my bug report in that topic [12:24] is there a way to try out the closed-source drivers in a live session? [12:24] not going to risc installing this as the installation isnt something you can just cancel and shutdown when the laptop gets too hot [12:26] anything more i can do drussell? [12:26] RobinJ: as I said earlier, post into that thread, and ask them to subscribe themselves to your bug [12:27] RobinJ: the more people you can get ticking the "this affects me" the more chance it'll get fixed [12:35] So here I am in the daily build. First thing I noticed was booting from usb stick was extremely fast [12:36] second thing i noticed that it hugely overheated my laptop [12:36] Dont know about my gpu, but cpu is 37c and mb is 35c... About the same as 11.04 [12:37] oal: yes, dont know why but the image on usb work smoother than the install one :)) [12:37] Stanley00: haha, yeah, thats odd. [12:38] Unity is so much better! [12:39] I tried to install the nvidia driver running from the usb stick, but that failed. Is that normal? [12:44] I am so confused today... [12:45] yesterday my computer seemed to deny the existence of my wifi card, following an update. No matter how many times I rebooted, it was the same. Today, after having no internet connection, so there was no update, everything is working again :S [12:45] As far as I know, the only thing different about today is the date [12:57] anyone elses fonts all screwed up? [12:59] it seems it is all fonts no matter what i have open [13:00] gnomefreak: nope, all ok here [13:00] maybe the updates im doing will fix it [13:01] it seems they are fixed now [13:01] i guess update did fix it [13:05] gnomefreak: :o) [13:13] hello, I run 11.10 and Alt+Ctrl+Shift+R on GS isn't working on me, anyone else has the same issue? [13:18] Hiyas all [13:20] Hello BluesKaj [13:20] odd that adding the chromium daily build ppa doesn't do anything ..doesn't download and install the browser ...as if the ppa isn't listed in the sources.list and muon [13:20] hi Arnold [13:20] alexd285, I think Ubuntu 11.10 has different default keyboard configurations than GNOME 3 should have. [13:23] Arnold, lal, ok I will check [13:23] alexd285, what does that keycombo do usually? [13:23] Record desktop [13:24] Arnold, record desktop [13:24] No sign of that in Keyboard -> Shortcut configuration applet. [13:25] BluesKaj, I'll take a look at it. [13:26] Arnold, it works on Fedora, is GS shortcut [13:27] alexd285, from what I've been seeing, let's just say Unity takes more privilege than Gnome Shell. [13:27] yelp? i'm stuck in the 11.10 dqily build installation. at the keyboard layout selection thingy, the second column doesnt change when selecting a country in the first one, leaving me unable to select the right keyboaqrd layout, no real problems so far. the real problem is that the "next" and "back" buttons are locked/disabled.... [13:27] Arnold, sadly :) [13:28] Although, let's see if we can restore it. [13:28] We can add the shortcut to the function, we just need to find its name. [13:29] "Control+Shift+Alt+R keybinding starts and stops the recording. (Note: this functionality is currently missing in some distribution packages.)" - according to GNOME Shell's CheatSheet wiki page. [13:29] Arnold, yes I think is bug/missing [13:30] RobinJ, try to kill off the Ubiquity process (and restart the installation). [13:30] Arnold, you use GS on 11.10? [13:30] RobinJ_* [13:31] alexd285, I tried it a few days ago, now I'm on just Unity. I realized that installing GNOME Shell in 11.10 can mess up Unity a bit. [13:32] Arnold, I would say that unity messes up the GS :) [13:32] BluesKaj, I just added the Chromium Daily PPA and it works just fine. [13:33] noone? -.- [13:33] Try adding the PPA with "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:chromium-daily" and don't forget press Enter! [13:33] RobinJ_, try to kill off the Ubiquity process (and restart the installation). [13:33] the skip button is also locked/disabled [13:33] RobinJ_, also chromium ppa works fine on me [13:33] That's why we forcefully will have to restart the installation process. [13:33] ... i dont need a corrupted hard disk [13:34] alexd285, Chromium Daily PPA was meant to BluesKaj :P [13:34] no command line thingy that forces it to go on or something? [13:34] There's xkill, or "sudo pkill ubiquity". [13:34] BluesKaj, also chromium ppa works fine on me :) [13:35] Hehe, yeah, adding PPA's with sudo add-apt-repository requires you to press ENTER before adding it. Not so automatic now, than how it was in pre 11.10 :P [13:40] Ah, sure... All sorts of tablets has to be a Wacom one, right? [13:48] Arnold, alexd285 , well that's odd , because i have the ppas in my sources.list and muon , but there aren't any upgrades available [13:49] the gpg key doesn't work here either [13:49] BluesKaj, gpg doesn't matter [13:49] yeah [13:50] really no other way than to kill buggy ubiquity? [13:50] RobinJ_, you can also try System Monitor too. [13:50] what can i do there? [13:50] BluesKaj, what if u remove them and and them again? [13:50] and add* [13:50] BluesKaj, what's your latest chromium-browser package version? [13:50] RobinJ_, it's similar to Windows Task Manager. [13:50] Arnold, I don't have one [13:50] yeah i know what it is but how can it help? [13:51] RobinJ_, you can kill off ubiquity with it, and then you restart the installer. [13:51] BluesKaj, you added the PPA, but haven't install Chromium from it? [13:51] yeah i can just as well do that with killall or pkill -9 ;p [13:52] it didn't install ...that's my issue m Arnold [13:52] Then go for it. :P "sudo killall ubiquity" should do its job. [13:52] BluesKaj, did it gave an error or something? [13:52] no error , just nothing [13:52] Try command line wise - run "sudo apt-get update" and then "sudo apt-get install chromium-browser". [13:53] Even with Ubuntu Software Center, you'll get the PPA listed, and can choose which package to install from there. [13:53] yeah Arnold, but won't that just pull the regular default chromium ? [13:53] I'm sure Muon Software Center does the same. [13:54] No no no, as long as the PPA version supersedes the official repository one, you're just fine :) [13:54] That's the whole point of PPA, actually. They take more priority than the official one. In most cases, anyway. [13:55] wait a sec,IMO apt isn't seeing the ppa , otherwise it would pull the chromium ppa version [13:56] Something must've gone bad then. Check Software Sources (or its Kubuntu equivalent) and see if Chromium Daily PPA is listed, activated and in use. [13:57] and they say ubuntu is more lightweight than windblows? temp1: +100.0°C (high = +100.0°C, crit = +110.0°C) [13:57] Arnold, it's there and activated [13:58] Are you absolutely sure that it's pulling of chromium-browser from the official repository, rather than from the Chromium Daily PPA? [13:58] Latest version for me seems to be chromium-browser 15.0.871.0~svn20110904r99583-0ubuntu1~ucd1 [14:04] ok , the same svn version of chromium installed from the ppa as you said , Arnold , but it's still strange that the ppa wouldn't install it in the first place . [14:05] Normally you get more priority for the PPA's, rather than the official repository. Unless the version is greater in the official one. [14:09] wow, chromium fixed it's kde font setting integration in it's daily build version ... thank goodness for small mercies :) [14:10] Some miracles come in smaller commits :) [14:19] BluesKaj, i think your browser sound issue is kde-related. if you google "kubuntu no sound in browser" you get results going back years, including: [14:19] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/flashplugin-nonfree/+bug/543035 [14:19] Ubuntu bug 543035 in flashplugin-nonfree (Ubuntu) "no sound in flash in several browsers on kubuntu" [Undecided,Confirmed] [14:19] it may have something to do with the many different ways a user can set up a kde sound system [14:19] it is difficult to keep track of them all [14:22] bjsnider, mine is quite straight forward, no pulse , just alsa/phonon/gstreamer-backend ...as simple as I can get it [14:23] well, the thing is, you might want to consider going to a simple gnome desktop in the future [14:23] pulse now supports passthru [14:23] the next version of gstreamer will too [14:24] and libav now supports multithreaded playback of video files, so as long as you have a multicore cpu, you can play anything, no matter how high the bitrate [14:24] heh, pulse doesn't even see my soundcard [14:25] so in the near future someone in your situation could just use totem for everything and never have to edit text files. it would all just work seamlessly [14:27] if the card has an alsa driver pulse shuld see it [14:27] no thanks bjsnider , I'm a kde guy ...I'll figure this out eventually, I usually can with a bit of help and a little luck :) [14:31] anyone know if 11.10 will support xinerama with compiz? I use three monitors and can't use unity in 11.04 because of the reliance on compiz [14:32] at least, I believe that's what the problem is. Xinerama across multiple X servers works fine with Ubuntu classic [14:45] 2.6.38 freezes randomly on my machine, no log messages and no call traces, sysrq does not work, to recover have to reset and windows has been running straight for 1d+ on same hardware i dont know how to report it as a bug even since i dont have any reports [14:45] all new kernels have it too [14:46] natty ran stable on this with the first versions of 2.6.38 it froze for the first time after some security update showed up for the same kernel [15:14] Hi, anyone know how to create a bootable usb drive with uefi support ? [15:14] I can use unetbootin but I can't boot from teh usb [15:21] why do you want to use uefi ? [15:25] can anyone help with kmail2 in oneiric please? I just upgraded and it won't start, saying "Failed to fetch the resource collection" [15:26] dtigue: I have a lenovo T420 and it doesn't suport legacy bios boot [15:26] bigjools: sorry, migrated to GMail long ago. [15:27] aajgar: oh yah? that's kinda cool! [15:27] mneptok: I fear the cloud :) [15:27] aajgar: does it have linuxBios? [15:27] No . I don't see any such option , === mvo_ is now known as mvo [15:28] bigjools: don;t you live in the UK? fearing clouds means you live in a bomb shelter eating whatever vermin wander by. [15:29] mneptok: nearly, a shed at the bottom of my garden [15:29] mneptok: I used to be in a cupboard under the stairs, like Harry Potter [15:29] aajgar: what kinda bios does it have? [15:30] aajgar: i can help. [15:30] aajgar: are you booting *only* Linux on this machine? [15:31] no, I have windows 7 on this laptop and I was to install ubuntu as dual boot , [15:31] * mneptok waves at aajgar from Xubuntu running on his ThinkPad X120e with UEFI-only boot enabled [15:32] aajgar: when you go to partition, you'll find a 100-200MB FAT32 partition at the beginning of the disk. tell Linux to mount that at /boot/efi [15:32] aajgar: the rest you can partition as you please. install in legacy mode, then use a CD to boot, and select "Boot from first hard disk" [15:33] ok , so, we can't boot from a USB ? [15:33] aajgar: that will boot the laptop. then look in /boot/efi/ubuntu and you'll find an EFI bootstub that you can move to /boot/efi//boot/ [15:33] aajgar: mine boots fine from USB [15:34] how did you create the USB ? using unetbootin ? [15:34] aajgar: using the "Create startup disk" tool on another Ubuntu machine [15:35] ok , any special options required ? [15:35] I know 11.10 had uefi in the iso ., [15:35] also, should I enable legacy mode in BIOS ? [15:37] aajgar: i enabled legacy only while installing. after i installed, then istalled grub-efi packages, then moved that bootstub file, i am able to boot with UEFI-only in the BIOS [15:37] ok , [15:37] sorry, forgot to mention the grub EFI packages you'll need. [15:38] grub-efi is included in 11.10 beta build ? [15:50] at least, I believe that's what the problem is. Xinerama across multiple X servers works fine with Ubuntu classic [15:50] woops [15:51] wrong line ;) [15:51] anyone know if 11.10 will support xinerama with compiz? I use three monitors and can't use unity in 11.04 because of the reliance on compiz [15:51] jbwiv: xinerama doesn't support 3d acceleration, so I don't see how it can work with compiz [15:52] ikonia, ok. do you know if there's an alternative way to run three monitors via two gfx cards? [15:53] jbwiv: you can do it, it just won't do 3d acceleration [15:53] jbwiv: so things like compiz for example won't be useful, [15:53] ikonia, so if I want to use unity, I'll have to use unity 2d? [15:53] but if you just want a desktop spamming 3 monitors, it should be fine [15:53] jbwiv: as I understand it, "yes" but I'm not a massive unity buff, [15:54] k [15:54] jbwiv: that's certainly not fact, but I can't see how you could use 3d [15:54] but as far as you know, there's no way to get 3 desktops *and* 3d acceleration [15:54] jbwiv: intel cards may work due to how they do acceleration [15:54] jbwiv: nvidia no, ati, not %100 sure [15:55]