[00:44] what does the one LED that flashes all the time mean on ubuntu? [00:50] ? [00:50] On which hardware? [00:51] the pandaboard [00:52] the hardware specs say that it's user defineable [00:53] "STATUS1" (the LED furthest from the SD card on a Panda) is USB activity, I believe, and STATUS2 is SD activity. [00:54] I'm not positive on the STATUS1 thing, though. [00:54] It does seem to go up when I shove things through the USB bus, though. :P [00:56] I suspect the kernel knows for sure. [01:02] hrmmm [01:10] brandini: heartbeat [01:11] one is for heartbeat and the other is for sd activity [01:27] rsalveti: It's a pretty inconsistent heartbeat. [01:27] infinity: well, depends on the cpu usage [01:44] mine seems regular enough :) [02:52] woo hoo, got my mx53 [02:53] looks like it's got its own kernel package. anybody using natty with this board? [06:20] hi, i have installed ubuntu 10.10 on my pandaboard, kernel version 2.6.35-903-omap4 #14-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT [06:20] i am getting the following error during startup [06:20] Unhandled fault: imprecise external abort [06:20] Internal error: : 1406 [#2] PREEMPT SMP [06:20] ... [06:21] Process pulseaudio (pid: 1273, stack limit = 0xae4e42f8) [06:21] any idea what is wrong with my system? [06:21] Use a pastebin if you have lots more lines [06:21] Dunno about the error, but disabling pulseaudio would seem to be a good first thing to try [06:23] couldnt get the totem player to work... it reports "cannot connect to server.... jack server is not running or cannot be started" [06:26] I dunno about GUI stuff [06:26] If you just want to test sound try aplay(1) [06:27] jack and pulseaudio are huge behemothic things, it wouldn't really surprise me if they fell down and died for some silly reason on non-x86 hardware [06:27] thanks i'll give it a try [07:12] Hi guys, I've got 2.6.32 running with an oneiric roots. when booting it seems to get to" udevd[2861]: unable to receive ctrl connection: Function not implemented" and then just repeats this over and over again. Any ideas ? [07:14] ( [07:16] sniperjo_: it wouldn't surprise me if oneiric simply doesn't work with a kernel that old [07:17] It sounds like udev vs. kernel version incompatibility to me [07:18] GrueMaster and infinity seem to think there wouldn't be too much of a problem with the kernel [07:19] twb: basically i have a working version of angstrom and I'm looking to get ubuntu on it. this is the angstrom kernel is quite old ! [07:21] I would try to make lucid work first, since that shipped with .32 [07:22] twb: I've been trying for the past week solid to do it! what would you recommend, just swapping the roofs over ? [07:24] I'm no expert, man [07:24] I can't even get a new bootloader to work on my device [07:24] I'm not the only one who has problems then! [07:30] sniperjo_: Hey, don't drag me into this. I didn't say 2.6.32 would work. :) [07:30] But yeah, looks like a kernel/userspace disagreement with udev. :/ [07:31] I expect there is an anti-udev bigot in the audience who would like to interject at this point :P [07:32] I used to run udevless all the time. But I'm not sure if MAKEDEV will actually create all the nodes his system needs to get away with it. [07:34] But udev does all sorts of extra, scary shit now [07:34] infinity: i thought you said something along the lines of new userspace should work fine with older kernels, or something like that ! :P [07:34] sniperjo_: well, in theory it should [07:34] sniperjo_: Well, in every respect other than udev, sure. Old kernels and new chroots are happy. [07:35] well last night we ended up disabling udev, and still don't seem to get a login prompt [07:39] No udev means no devices. [07:39] Isn't there some kernel pseudofs that can do it instead of MAKEDEV [07:39] If you can chroot into that system and "cd /dev && MAKEDEV" it might fix you up. [07:39] sniperjo_: also if you refer to e.g. root=LABEL=fred you need udev [07:40] twb: devfs might be dead. If it's not, it should be. [07:40] infinity: I had some memory that it was used before udev in the initramfs-tools or something [07:40] I'm probably just misremembering [07:41] something like Kernel command line: console=ttyS2,115200n8 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rw rootfstype=ext3 rootwait ? [07:41] sniperjo_: does mmcblk0p2 exist when you just mount the rootfs somewhere? [07:41] The device file, I mean, inside /mnt or wherever you mount it [07:42] Almost certainly not. [07:42] twb: arm no, i think its a function of board [07:42] Ya so fix that [07:44] twb: how? [07:45] 17:39 If you can chroot into that system and "cd /dev && MAKEDEV" it might fix you up. [07:46] ah i missed that [07:46] so boot in with angstrom and try it? [07:47] And then disable udev again, so it stops having a hissy fit. [07:47] Well, after you MAKEDEV, check and see if the device node you need is there. [07:47] If it's not, you'll get to look up the major and minor of mmcblk* and mknod. :P [07:48] (I can't imagine why we replaced all this with automation) [07:51] sniperjo_: no just chroot in from a real machine [07:51] twb: ok, because i was just about to say, chroot from the arm could be a little challenge [07:52] infinity: obviously what we should be doing is just referring directly to /sys/dev// and forego this wussy "naming" thing [07:55] erm for some reason Ichroot media/de74c7e5-118c-4da7-b7a9-858cf661c650 ,: chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory [07:56] sniperjo_: Err, you can't chroot from a non-ARM system into an ARM one. [07:56] infinity: twb: sniperjo_: no just chroot in from a real machine [07:57] ah ok [07:57] A real ARM machine? ;) [07:57] ah, that bit was lost in translation ! [07:58] (You could do it with qemu-user-static, I suppose... But I'm too tired to walk through setting that up for chroots) [07:58] Well, it's not rocket science, I guess. [07:58] You install it in the host, "dpkg -L qemu-user-static", grab the *arm* binaries and place them in the same filesystem location in the chroot. [08:00] I think it's way past bedtime here, though. [08:00] same file system location ? [08:00] lol [08:00] are you sure you don't want to solve an un-solvable problem ? [09:05] bah, the answer tracker of LP sucks [09:06] * ogra_ just asked a question janimo asked already :( [09:06] ogra_, which question? [09:06] "cant install from usb stick" [09:07] i use to read my mails in order but somehow the mails from the answer tracker dont get threaded anymore [09:07] i guess that happens if someone answers by mail directly instead of using the web ui or so [09:08] so you asked or answered the same question? [09:08] well, i asked if he had partitions at all [09:08] ah ok [09:08] just to see a few mins later that he has a fourth partition but no others [09:09] yet another mobile operating system with intel cofounding - tizen.org [09:09] dithcing native linux app stack for html [09:09] doesnt mozilla do that as well ? [09:10] funny that everyone tries to reimplement webos :) [09:11] I think ti actually is a better dev platform than the mixed crack we have now in ubuntu [09:11] html5 & co that is [09:12] sure, i would have gone for a webos solution years ago :) [09:12] but implementing the desktop apps in html/javascript wasnt the answer it seems :) [09:12] janimo, btw, you run bootchart on your ac100 ? [09:12] how do you fit that into the initrd ? [09:13] my system blows up if i pass the 3.something Mb [09:13] (for the compressed initrd) [09:14] ogra_, I did not even know boothcart is put in intrd - althought it makes sense [09:14] My boot part is 8 Mb [09:14] mine too [09:14] I built a kernel with all ac100 modules (~35) as builtins [09:14] the bootloader falls over of you get somewhere between 3-4M [09:14] and it grew by less than 1.5M [09:15] ogra_, not here apparently [09:15] yeah, the kernel size isnt the prob [09:15] how big is your initrd atm ? [09:15] les than 2M [09:15] aha [09:15] I doubt bootchart would be that big [09:15] it has deps [09:15] standard ac100 from package [09:15] i wonder how you got it that small [09:15] thats a default install ? [09:15] yes [09:15] weird [09:16] mine is 2.9M [09:16] ok, letme double check then [09:16] close to the edge of falling over [09:16] though this is my upgraded natty [09:16] if we actually end up with less than 2 i can turn plymouth back on ! [09:17] ogra_, ramdisk 2.19 Mb [09:17] hmm [09:17] time to test our daily images don;t you think :) ? [09:17] join /#angstrom [09:17] wooops [09:17] well, i still have a few bugs to fix on omap4 [09:17] and in the ac100 installer [09:18] and doing the work on the ac100 for it? [09:18] sure [09:18] don;t you have one just for testing? [09:18] anyway I can run bootchart fine [09:18] well, currently its a builder [09:18] great [09:18] but found no low hanging fruit :( [09:19] boot varies betwen 38 and 45 secs [09:19] even without changes, not alwaay determinitsic [09:19] did you upload the png somewhere ? [09:19] not yet, but I plan to [09:19] k, point me to it once you have :) [09:19] I thought it is so easy to run and without an analysis I did not start uploading yet [09:19] i'd like to see the IO [09:19] I tried disabling readahed but little effect [09:19] well, it requires a reboot :) [09:20] I tried building all modules in the kernel, again no visible effect [09:20] well I am at bootvchart png-20 so I guess I have afew reboots :) [09:21] for some reason I was expecting significant gains from modules being builtin [09:21] heh, no [09:21] but apparently modprobe is very fast nowadays [09:21] and we only load them late [09:21] initrd doesnt contain any modules by default [09:21] they are loaded during boot in the first 40 secs [09:22] no modules in initrd? [09:22] right, but after you moved to the actual root [09:22] no, that would make it over 4M [09:22] the installer puts an initrd config in place with MODULES=dep set ... [09:22] (which is equal to no modules) [09:24] well, i'm lying ... if you actually install a package that forcefully drops a module into the initrd you will indeed have modules :) [09:24] i.e. mdadm or lvm userspace stuff [09:24] or cryptsetup === Jack87 is now known as Jack87|Away === Amaranthus is now known as Amaranth [13:52] I'm having trouble getting the TI addons installed [13:53] what release ? [13:54] Unable to locate package ubuntu-omap4-extras [13:54] they only fully exist for maverick (10.10), for natty (11.04) TI didnt provide any [13:54] I'm on the daily from 09/26 [13:54] ahhh ok [13:54] :) [13:54] ah, yeah, not done yet [13:54] it should be ready by release [13:54] I wonder if that's what's causing my go time test from failing [13:54] s/from/to/ === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [13:56] brandini: if i understand the situation correctly, ti do not make the driver themself they get it from Imagination Technologies' that own the design for the POWERVR™ SGX unit inside the omap [13:57] xranby, ubuntu-omap4-extras is a lot more than just the GLES driver [13:57] in fact we should have the driver for all releases in the PPA [13:57] but the other bits only exist for maverick [13:58] iirc ubuntu-omap4-extras-graphics should be installable on all but oneiric atm [13:58] (not sured if rsalveti added a metapackage for -graphics when uploading the driver to the PPA) [14:11] Hi guys, I've got 2.6.32 running with an oneiric roots. when booting it seems to get to" udevd[2861]: unable to receive ctrl connection: Function not implemented" and then just repeats this over and over again. Any ideas ? [14:11] get a newer kernel, thats a typical error for the kernel missing bits for udev support [14:12] ogra_: My board only seems to work with this kernal [14:14] GrueMaster: seemed to think i would be able to do a little changing to get it to work [14:15] sniperjo__: the target kernel for oneiric are 3.0 the ac100 are an exception that will still use 2.6.38 [14:15] sniperjo__: which board are you using? [14:16] a technexion tsunamipack, omap3530 [14:17] sniperjo__, there is surely a way to do it without udev, how much of userspace breaks throught it missing is hard to predict though, xorg and friends for example rely on udev info [14:18] the board comes with angstrom with that kernel, and id like to get at least lucid on it [14:19] the guys here last night thought going for the newest rootfs [14:19] well, ask the vendor for the source i'd say [14:19] and switch on SIGNALFD or whatever udev misses in your build [14:20] after all its linux, and its unlawful for them to not give you the source if ou bought their board [14:21] del we ended up disabling udev last night, but still diddnt get a console [14:21] i have all the source [14:21] because you dont have devices i guess [14:21] well, then rebuild your kernel ! === plars is now known as plars-away [14:22] i have no idea how to, I've spent the last week following every possible tutorial [14:23] you take your source, unpack it, geta cross compiler, run make menuconfig in the source tree and make zImage [14:23] I've been on here everyday a sing about swapping rootfs and other ways around it [14:24] why work around it if you can make it work properly [14:24] really, kompile your own kernel with the right options and be done [14:24] *compile [14:25] how long would that take ? [14:25] 1h or less [14:25] cross builds should be pretty fast [14:26] i need to find someone to help me .... [14:26] http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2010/10/19/how-to-cross-compile-arm-kernel-under-ubuntu-10-10/ [14:26] followed that [14:27] well, then you should have a uImage [14:27] (you dont need xdeb btw, since you dont build any packages) [14:28] (you only want the last paragraph actually) [14:29] sniperjo__, indeed, that is what I use and it works fine [14:30] ogra_: do i need to add any repos ? linux-source-2.6.35 can't be found [14:30] sniperjo__, why would you want that ? [14:30] sniperjo__, which kernel do you want to build? what device? [14:30] you said you have the source of your vendor [14:30] you need to get the appropriate source for that [14:30] so you indeed want to build that one [14:31] apt-get install gcc-arm-linux-gnueabi [14:31] ok so, what would the source look like ? [14:31] thats all you should need [14:31] you said you have it ? [14:31] you should know how it waqs given to you [14:32] well i have all the files nessasary to make an sd card [14:32] they use the code sorcery arm [14:34] sure, that doesnt matter [14:34] well, if you have a kernel tree (likely a tarball) you need to unpack it [14:35] i just downloaded the newest g++ lite from their site [14:37] you are not on ubuntu ? [14:38] i am [14:39] well, then use the ubuntu gcc [14:39] dont fiddle with an unpacked compiler [14:39] ok, so could you tell me how ? [14:39] apt-get install gcc-arm-linux-gnueabi ... as i said above [14:39] yup, installed [14:40] k [14:40] now go to the kernel source tree [14:40] run make menuconfig in there (you might need to install libncurse5-dev if it complains) [14:40] then run: ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux-gnueabi- make uImage modules [14:41] and it will build a uImage and the matching modules [14:41] what options do i want to select in the kernel config ? [14:42] dunno, you need to ask a udev developer i guess [14:42] signalfd is definitely needed [14:42] and inotify support [14:49] ogra_: arm… its asking me a lot of questions I'm just pressing enter for [14:49] oh, wiat [14:49] *wait [14:49] can you boot the existing system on your device and get the running config from there (cat /proc/config.gz) [14:50] (I've gone through about a 50 questions) [14:50] using the output of that should get you a good starting config [14:50] yeah, stop it [14:50] you dont want that [14:50] oh ok [14:50] you need a default config to base on, else you will need to answer each and every question (and you need to answer them right) [14:51] cat /proc/config.gz > my_new.config.txt [14:51] that will copy the running config on your angstrom into the file my_new_config.txt [14:52] yup ok [14:52] that file you can copy to your source tree as .config [14:52] (note the dot) [14:52] then run make menuconfig again and it shouldnt ask anymore [14:57] if run menuconfig it still lasks [14:57] you copied the config into the right place ? [14:58] sniperjo__: are you using the source tree that came with your board? [14:58] it usually doesnt, at least if the source is identical to the binary you run [14:58] yup, they have same mf5 [14:58] md5* [14:58] right, i was assuming you use the kernel tree of your vendor that also just runs as binary on your angstrom [14:59] there is a file, called kernel in the files i downloaded from the manufacturers website, has the .config and the files you are talking about [15:00] and a full kernel tree too ? [15:01] janimo, how is mx5 looking ? final freeze is tomorrow so we should have them in shape today [15:02] yes, about to test the latest image [15:02] great [15:02] we only have tomorrow for emergencies [15:02] is that the right kinda sounding place / file ? [15:03] sniperjo__: yes sounds like the right file.. [15:05] sniperjo__: you can cross check that the Makefile contains the same kernel version as your bopard report when running uname -a [15:05] if i do ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux-gnueabi- make uImage modules, i get a bunch of warning for config : unexpected data, then i get a prompt for development of incomplete code / drivers [15:06] angstrom is 2.6.32 i think, how do i check the make file [15:06] sniperjo___: try gedit Makefile [15:06] the version number are displayed at the top [15:07] sniperjo___, what is your boards config file? arch/arm/configs/xxx_defconfig [15:07] you need to add that in the make on first run [15:07] so ..... make XXX_defconfig [15:07] then uImage [15:08] that shouldnt be needed if .config is there and he uses the right tree [15:08] the make file came with the files that make the SD so its the same [15:08] 2.6.32 [15:10] and that mateches *exactly* the output of uname -r on your angstrom ? [15:11] arm the manual has stuff in about make omap3_tsuanami_defconfig [15:11] the manual is http://www.technexion.com/index.php/support-center/downloads/ti-cpu-modules/tao-3530/549-tao-3530-userguide-0953/download [15:11] does your kernel tree have that in the config dir ? [15:12] find . -name omap3_tsuanami_defconfig [15:12] run that in your tree [15:12] if its there, use it as janimo described above [15:14] it does [15:15] well, then try: make omap3_tsuanami_defconfig [15:15] and see if it still asks [15:17] OK config written [15:17] well, now find out what the missing options are that cause your error i guess googlong will give you some hints [15:17] *googling [15:18] then find them in menuconfig and set them to the right values [15:18] what error ? this is like looking for a needle in a haystack when i don't even know which planet its located on [15:18] the error you posted with your first line in here today :) [15:19] ogra_: that was with the oneiric core [15:19] which you want to get running or not ? [15:19] yes [15:20] i just want anything ubuntu > lucid ! [15:20] so, google for the error messaged in connection with kernel and udev [15:20] *message [15:20] and see if you can find what config options it needs [15:20] then set these and build the kernel [15:20] * ogra_ needs to go mow the lawn ... back later [15:21] ogra_: have a good oneiric freeze day [15:21] well.. my error comes up as the first result on patebin.... [15:21] noooooooo [15:21] xranby, oh, i'm not finishig my day yet :) just needs to do someting that doesnt involve sitting my butt flat [15:22] i will pay someone to spoon feed me the information on how to compile lucid or better on my board! [15:22] i think I'm on the verge of slitting my writs [15:29] nice to see know ones motivated by money, so who wants to help me without !!! [15:32] sniperjo___: we are trying our best to help you with all practcall questions.. i think you are the only one here with a tsunami board so you are the only one who can test when it work [15:32] sniperjo___: if you have a lot of error messages in front of you try paste them all into http://paste.ubuntu.com [15:32] it will makes us able to give you better hints what to do [15:33] sniperjo___: and if you get it working, try post what you did into a blog to let other users with a tsunami board know about it [15:35] sniperjo___: my best reccomendation are that *you* should try describe to someone else how to solve this... by doing so you will sort your mind and get a better understanding how all the different parts relates [15:35] sniperjo___: “If you want to learn something, read about it. If you want to understand something, write about it. If you want to master something, teach it.” ~ Yogi Bhajan [15:37] xranby: i have been doing both for the last week, week and a half [15:37] sniperjo___: excellent [15:37] xranby: but i haven't succesded [15:38] you are making progress [15:38] sniperjo___: i don't see how this doesn't answer your questions mostly: http://www.linsys.fr/index.php/en/whitepapers/linux-lab/start-tsunami [15:38] just use the toolchain ogra_ adviced [15:45] gildean: thanks ill have a look at that. [15:49] sniperjo___: it took you over a week to get to that information which i googled in a few seconds? [15:49] first you should learn how to google better :D [15:50] gildean: good facetious comment, but i have to different boards from the same manufacture, just so happens that i was concentrating on getting the other one up and running, but i gave up [15:51] just joking, don't take it too seriously [15:52] its pretty hard not to when you've been trying something so hard for so long [15:52] but if whatever you posted works…. i will forgive eyou … :P [15:52] :D [15:52] Sometimes, finding the right query for google can be harder than figuring out how to fix something on your own. [15:53] ++ [15:53] I know, I have spent days trying to find IPv6 test suites for Linux. [15:53] GrueMaster, is there anything you have on your mind we urgently need to get done before final freeze ? we ahve a bit more thna 24h [15:53] (and please, don't send me more links to whitepapers). [15:53] geez, my typing sucks [15:54] * ogra_ only has TI icon, slideshow in oem-config and the partman bit on his mind [15:54] ogra_: Nothing stands out so far. [15:54] When is the Ti icon going to be added? [15:55] GrueMaster, its there (always was) but the favorites handling changed [15:55] Ah. [15:55] GrueMaster, i'll work on that tonight/tomorrow [15:55] seems its all d-conf now that gconf is done and indeed everything works different [15:56] s/done/gone/ [15:56] guys, did anyone try the new omap4 kernel? [15:56] rsalveti: ^^ [15:56] which one? [15:56] i would like to pull today [15:56] I've been doing SRU catchup. [15:57] GrueMaster: http://people.canonical.com/~ppisati/linux-image-3.0.0-1205-omap4_3.0.0-1205.10_armel.deb [15:57] it has 4460 support [15:57] I have no board, but can make sure you didn't break existing stuff. :P [15:58] yeah, regression testing on that one is most important [15:58] ppisati: what did you use for this kernel? which branch? [15:58] if 4460 doesnt work there wont be kittens dieing [15:59] ogra_: just no beer and chips [15:59] 8would be annoying to not have 4460 support, but would be worse to break existing pandas) [15:59] ndec: TI BSP update: kernel-tilt/tilt-3.0-nodspvideo1 @ d2fe6284bb37abd542524b17f17cf9208db767c2 [15:59] ogra_: i am more concerned with the ES2.3 omap4430 based A4 board [15:59] ogra_: did the EDID patch for the pullups get merged? [16:00] prpplague, we tested that long ago i think [16:00] A4???? [16:00] sebjan: ^^^ [16:00] I "just" got an A3 last week. [16:00] GrueMaster, iirc allison tested that [16:00] I got her board. [16:00] davidm reported it [16:00] oh, i thought that was an A4 [16:00] A3 [16:00] prpplague, well, if we get no HW we cant test much :) [16:01] send us HW :) [16:01] ogra_: ok, i'll check with nipuna on this [16:01] ogra_: i just assumed you had pulled the info [16:01] i think ndec is after getting us 4460, not sure if A4 is on his list [16:01] we didnt discuss A4 in the weekly calls [16:03] we were supposed to be getting 2 4460's but none have showed up yet [16:03] ppisati: I was about to send you an email about that topic: kernel upgrade [16:03] davidm, and A4 ? [16:03] (its actually the first time i hear about A4) [16:03] Have not found any A4's but would want some to test with [16:03] prpplague: Is there any significant changes in A4 that require software changes? At this point it is probably too late to fix. [16:03]