[07:02] good morning [08:09] aloha === kinoucho` is now known as kinouchou [14:28] paultag: You let mailing lists send notifications to your phone? [14:28] * dscassel doesn't have a smart phone, but imagines he'd turn as much of that as he could off. [14:32] dscassel: Yes, since I'm on the loco-council [14:32] dscassel: if someone has an issue and needs help, I want to help [14:32] it's about the only list that high-volume would kill me on [14:32] * paultag gets back to swearing at oricle [14:32] oracle [14:37] paultag: I suppose that's sensible. Your dedication is admirable. :) [14:39] dscassel: well, I know what it's like to be ignored on a mailing list - I swore that i'd never ignore someone in need :) [14:40] but those (two) threads were abuse of the bat-phone [14:40] aloha [14:40] howdy doodie czajkowski [14:40] who highlighted us [14:40] czajkowski: me [14:40] I did not mean to [14:40] sorry [14:40] ah ok [14:41] *wallop* [14:41] :) [14:43] JESUS CHRIST [14:43] How does mailing the list again help?!?! [14:44] Where's "Chuck Frain" [14:45] i personally find it useful to share the information about that. [14:45] marcus: yes, but when it's a back and forth coversation sending 5 emails in a minute [14:45] it's something that should be done on IRC or off list [14:46] and then condenced and pushed out [14:46] we all get enough mail as-is, we don't need to re-hash everything on list [14:46] maybe, but an email filter could also help if you feel disturbed [14:46] in fact, I'm fairly sure all these topics are on the archives [14:46] i think a list is meant for things like that [14:46] marcus: I'm on the loco-council, like I said [14:46] marcus: if I wanted to filter out mail for stuff i'm overseeing, I'd not be doing my job [14:46] marcus: so next time, when you have a real problem, your mail gets trashed [14:46] so I'll keep it as is [14:46] just know it's pissing me off [14:47] so there is no way to discuss inter-loco problems from what i hear now. [14:47] marcus: I don't understand. [14:49] for us it is important to know that otheres have not received the book, too. I thought the ml is the best way to reach them [14:49] marcus: so email the loco-council about it [14:49] This is the message on the mailing list: [14:49] This is a low-volume mailing list for LoCo Team contacts. [14:49] 5 mails a minute is not low-volume [14:49] but are the loco contacts on the council list ? [14:50] marcus: no, but they don't need to be [14:50] how should i know then that others have the same problem [14:50] marcus: AFAIK there is no one else who has had this problem [14:50] then you might talk to the ubuntu-gr or the ubuntu-ma guys [14:50] and that are only two i know of [14:50] marcus: but it's nothing to do with us [14:50] as I pointed out now a few times at least [14:50] it's the publisher [14:51] marcus: loco-contacts is "This is now ready for everyone - come and get it" or "We just did this awesome thing here, check it out" or stuff like that [14:51] or if they did they followed the instructions and mailed the person in question as jono has said oin the mail [14:51] or general discussion [14:51] * paultag goes back to work [14:51] but it has been announced as it is something official [14:52] marcus: so look at the thread in the archive [14:52] marcus: it was talked about there [14:52] it was on jonons blog and clearly states it has nothing to do with loco contacts or canonical or jono it has to do with the publsieher [14:52] mabe the mail wasn't received on time [14:52] but it's their call [14:52] did you send it for the two teams your contact of [14:52] i just dont like promises that are not kept [14:53] marcus: We got a copy [14:53] ok [14:53] because we followed directions :) [14:53] just sayn' [14:54] marcus: you're the only one saying on the list, clearly if there were othrs we'd know there was an issue, and there isn't [14:56] I never heard back either, but I haven't actively pursued it or looked into it too deeply. [14:57] (I did put the order in. Can't remember if I followed instructions to the letter) [14:58] I've also already got a copy of the book from a conference pack. The only thing I wanted this one for was to send off to some other city as a reward for being awesome. [14:58] czajkowski, "Our LoCo did all of the above as well but we never heard back from Heather!" Michael Kotsarinis on the list a few minutes ago [14:58] * dscassel totally acknowledges there's not much the LC can do... [14:59] maybe the lc could get in contact with Heather (i do not even have her address) [15:00] dscassel: THANK YOU!!!! [15:01] marcus: it's in the post!!!!! [15:01] email her [15:01] in general i do not like the tone here either. [15:02] I've asked someone else to help me get more information [15:02] but at the end of the day it's not a loco council issue [15:02] the best we can do is see if we can find more info for folks but it's not our area and has nothing to do with us [15:02] maybe, but at the end of the day i feel left alone and pissed off [15:02] is all myself and paultag are trying out best to explai [15:02] marcus: I've had a super shitty day and it's not really your fault [15:02] marcus: but taking it out on us isn;'t gonna help [15:03] ok [15:03] np [15:03] i will try to get in contact with heather and send a little update mail on the list if i got an reply (if i am allowed to and not treated as spam) [15:05] marcus: nobody is saying your posts are spam [15:05] just the ml gets little traffic [15:05] it just gave me that feeling [15:05] and it's been replying over one thread back and forth and the info was thre [15:05] nobody said your mail was spam [15:05] I might have insinuated it [15:06] to be concrete czajkowski i have overread the info (heathers email) due to font size change in you mail [15:06] my brain treated the sentence as signature or something like that [15:07] I'm sorry the mail appeared that way [15:07] using a web based client at work [15:07] and trying to help to resolve the issues for you [15:08] ok, i think we can solve that issue. [15:31] czajkowski: fwiw I sent a mail request for the book too, following the instructions to the letter [15:31] I've juse sent a mail asking from the lc point of view if there is any issue [15:31] it's not our area but we'll try and help [15:36] the issue re ordering cd's on the form and it saying natty has now been resolved [15:47] yay [15:57] see I do get stuff right ocassionally [16:00] marcus I beleieve you will be getting a mail now from heather [16:00] AlanBell: I mentioned your team also [16:01] cool [16:01] also ther was a limited supply as far as I can tell [16:01] I don't have a plan of what to do with the book so I never followed up [16:02] but if paultag got a copy then some must have gone out [16:02] AlanBell: ohio [16:02] I got a copy, but it was as a reviewer [16:02] wonder if it was a US thing [16:02] personally, that is [16:02] ohio got one too [16:03] I got one in a conference pack, it was a prize for a quiz night [16:03] went to a gentoo user as we considered her to be the person who was most in need of it [16:04] NC got their copies as well [16:04] copy [16:04] I followed-up with heather in august, our book are finally in the mail (I sent an email to the list saying so) [16:04] * AlanBell wonders if international shipping wasn't part of the deal [16:17] seems to be an issue with teams outside of the USA mostly [19:43] is there any way to see who's admin of our loco mailing list? [19:51] CrazyLemon: at the bottom of the listinfo page you should see: ubuntu-blah-blah is run by [19:51] like https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca has: Ubuntu-us-ca list run by lyz at ubuntu.com, david.wonderly at kubuntu.org, jdeslip at gmail.com [19:53] pleia2 hmm..i don't see that kind of info at https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-si [19:54] CrazyLemon: ah, in that case the only way to get ahold of them is emailing ubuntu-si-owner@lists.ubuntu.com [19:55] pleia2 awesome..thanks alot