[07:02] <dholbach> good morning
[08:09] <czajkowski> aloha
[14:28] <dscassel> paultag: You let mailing lists send notifications to your phone?
[14:28]  * dscassel doesn't have a smart phone, but imagines he'd turn as much of that as he could off.
[14:32] <paultag> dscassel: Yes, since I'm on the loco-council
[14:32] <paultag> dscassel: if someone has an issue and needs help, I want to help
[14:32] <paultag> it's about the only list that high-volume would kill me on
[14:32]  * paultag gets back to swearing at oricle
[14:32] <paultag> oracle
[14:37] <dscassel> paultag: I suppose that's sensible.  Your dedication is admirable. :)
[14:39] <paultag> dscassel: well, I know what it's like to be ignored on a mailing list - I swore that i'd never ignore someone in need :)
[14:40] <paultag> but those (two) threads were abuse of the bat-phone
[14:40] <czajkowski> aloha 
[14:40] <paultag> howdy doodie czajkowski 
[14:40] <czajkowski> who highlighted us 
[14:40] <paultag> czajkowski: me
[14:40] <paultag> I did not mean to
[14:40] <paultag> sorry
[14:40] <czajkowski> ah ok
[14:41] <czajkowski> *wallop*
[14:41] <paultag> :)
[14:43] <paultag> JESUS CHRIST
[14:43] <paultag> How does mailing the list again help?!?!
[14:44] <paultag> Where's "Chuck Frain"
[14:45] <marcus> i personally find it useful to share the information about that.
[14:45] <paultag> marcus: yes, but when it's a back and forth coversation sending 5 emails in a minute
[14:45] <paultag> it's something that should be done on IRC or off list
[14:46] <paultag> and then condenced and pushed out
[14:46] <paultag> we all get enough mail as-is, we don't need to re-hash everything on list
[14:46] <marcus> maybe, but an email filter could also help if you feel disturbed
[14:46] <paultag> in fact, I'm fairly sure all these topics are on the archives
[14:46] <marcus> i think a list is meant for things like that
[14:46] <paultag> marcus: I'm on the loco-council, like I said
[14:46] <paultag> marcus: if I wanted to filter out mail for stuff i'm overseeing, I'd not be doing my job
[14:46] <paultag> marcus: so next time, when you have a real problem, your mail gets trashed
[14:46] <paultag> so I'll keep it as is
[14:46] <paultag> just know it's pissing me off
[14:47] <marcus> so there is no way to discuss inter-loco problems from what i hear now.
[14:47] <paultag> marcus: I don't understand.
[14:49] <marcus> for us it is important to know that otheres have not received the book, too. I thought the ml is the best way to reach them
[14:49] <paultag> marcus: so email the loco-council about it
[14:49] <paultag> This is the message on the mailing list:
[14:49] <paultag> This is a low-volume mailing list for LoCo Team contacts. 
[14:49] <paultag> 5 mails a minute is not low-volume
[14:49] <marcus> but are the loco contacts on the council list ?
[14:50] <paultag> marcus: no, but they don't need to be 
[14:50] <marcus> how should i know then that others have the same problem
[14:50] <paultag> marcus: AFAIK there is no one else who has had this problem
[14:50] <marcus> then you might talk to the ubuntu-gr or the ubuntu-ma guys
[14:50] <marcus> and that are only two i know of
[14:50] <czajkowski> marcus: but it's nothing to do with us 
[14:50] <czajkowski> as I pointed out now a few times at least 
[14:50] <czajkowski> it's the publisher 
[14:51] <paultag> marcus: loco-contacts is "This is now ready for everyone - come and get it" or "We just did this awesome thing here, check it out" or stuff like that
[14:51] <czajkowski> or if they did they followed the instructions and mailed the person in question as jono has said oin the mail 
[14:51] <paultag> or general discussion
[14:51]  * paultag goes back to work
[14:51] <marcus> but it has been announced as it is something official
[14:52] <paultag> marcus: so look at  the thread in the archive
[14:52] <paultag> marcus: it was talked about there
[14:52] <czajkowski> it was on jonons blog and clearly states it has nothing to do with loco contacts or canonical or jono it has to do with the publsieher
[14:52] <czajkowski> mabe the mail wasn't received on time 
[14:52] <czajkowski> but it's their call 
[14:52] <czajkowski> did you send it for the two teams your contact of 
[14:52] <marcus> i just dont like promises that are not kept
[14:53] <paultag> marcus: We got a copy
[14:53] <marcus> ok
[14:53] <paultag> because we followed directions :)
[14:53] <paultag> just sayn'
[14:54] <czajkowski> marcus: you're the only one saying on the list, clearly if there were othrs we'd know there was an issue, and there isn't 
[14:56] <dscassel> I never heard back either, but I haven't actively pursued it or looked into it too deeply.
[14:57] <dscassel> (I did put the order in. Can't remember if I followed instructions to the letter)
[14:58] <dscassel> I've also already got a copy of the book from a conference pack.  The only thing I wanted this one for was to send off to some other city as a reward for being awesome.
[14:58] <marcus> czajkowski, "Our LoCo did all of the above as well but we never heard back from Heather!" Michael Kotsarinis on the list a few minutes ago
[14:58]  * dscassel totally acknowledges there's not much the LC can do...
[14:59] <marcus> maybe the lc could get in contact with Heather (i do not even have her address)
[15:00] <czajkowski> dscassel: THANK YOU!!!!
[15:01] <czajkowski> marcus: it's in the post!!!!!
[15:01] <czajkowski> email her 
[15:01] <marcus> in general i do not like the tone here either.
[15:02] <czajkowski> I've asked someone else to help me get more information
[15:02] <czajkowski> but at the end of the day it's not a loco council issue 
[15:02] <czajkowski> the best we can do is see if we can find more info for folks but it's not our area and has nothing to do with us 
[15:02] <marcus> maybe, but at the end of the day i feel left alone and pissed off
[15:02] <czajkowski> is all myself and paultag are trying out best to explai 
[15:02] <paultag> marcus: I've had a super shitty day and it's not really your fault
[15:02] <czajkowski> marcus: but taking it out on us isn;'t gonna help 
[15:03] <marcus> ok
[15:03] <marcus> np
[15:03] <marcus> i will try to get in contact with heather and send a little update mail on the list if i got an reply (if i am allowed to and not treated as spam)
[15:05] <czajkowski> marcus: nobody is saying your posts are spam 
[15:05] <czajkowski> just the ml gets little traffic
[15:05] <marcus> it just gave me that feeling
[15:05] <czajkowski> and it's been replying over one thread back and forth and the info was thre 
[15:05] <czajkowski> nobody said your mail was spam 
[15:05] <paultag> I might have insinuated it
[15:06] <marcus> to be concrete czajkowski i have overread the info (heathers email) due to font size change in you mail
[15:06] <marcus> my brain treated the sentence as signature or something like that
[15:07] <czajkowski> I'm sorry the mail appeared that way
[15:07] <czajkowski> using a web based client at work 
[15:07] <czajkowski> and trying to help to resolve the issues for you 
[15:08] <marcus> ok, i think we can solve that issue.
[15:31] <AlanBell> czajkowski: fwiw I sent a mail request for the book too, following the instructions to the letter
[15:31] <czajkowski> I've juse sent a mail asking from the lc point of view if there is any issue 
[15:31] <czajkowski> it's not our area but we'll try and help
[15:36] <czajkowski> the issue re ordering cd's on the form and it saying natty has now been resolved
[15:47] <AlanBell> yay
[15:57] <czajkowski> see I do get stuff right ocassionally
[16:00] <czajkowski> marcus I beleieve you will be getting a mail now from heather 
[16:00] <czajkowski> AlanBell: I mentioned your team also 
[16:01] <AlanBell> cool
[16:01] <czajkowski> also ther was a limited supply as far as I can tell 
[16:01] <AlanBell> I don't have a plan of what to do with the book so I never followed up
[16:02] <AlanBell> but if paultag got a copy then some must have gone out
[16:02] <paultag> AlanBell: ohio
[16:02] <paultag> I got a copy, but it was as a reviewer
[16:02] <AlanBell> wonder if it was a US thing
[16:02] <paultag> personally, that is
[16:02] <paultag> ohio got one too
[16:03] <AlanBell> I got one in a conference pack, it was a prize for a quiz night
[16:03] <AlanBell> went to a gentoo user as we considered her to be the person who was most in need of it
[16:04] <akgraner> NC got their copies as well
[16:04] <akgraner> copy
[16:04] <pleia2> I followed-up with heather in august, our book are finally in the mail (I sent an email to the list saying so)
[16:04]  * AlanBell wonders if international shipping wasn't part of the deal
[16:17] <czajkowski> seems to be an issue with teams outside of the USA mostly 
[19:43] <CrazyLemon> is there any way to see who's admin of our loco mailing list?
[19:51] <pleia2> CrazyLemon: at the bottom of the listinfo page you should see: ubuntu-blah-blah is run by
[19:51] <pleia2> like https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca has: Ubuntu-us-ca list run by lyz at ubuntu.com, david.wonderly at kubuntu.org, jdeslip at gmail.com
[19:53] <CrazyLemon> pleia2 hmm..i don't see that kind of info at https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-si
[19:54] <pleia2> CrazyLemon: ah, in that case the only way to get ahold of them is emailing ubuntu-si-owner@lists.ubuntu.com
[19:55] <CrazyLemon> pleia2 awesome..thanks alot