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| === genupulas is now known as raju | ||
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| mvo_ | hello | 15:00 |
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| bdmurray | hi | 15:00 |
| jhunt | lo | 15:00 |
| * stgraber waves | 15:01 | |
| cjwatson | afternoon *yawn* | 15:01 |
| * slangasek waves | 15:01 | |
| slangasek | afternoon... is that why I'm tired | 15:01 |
| slangasek | #startmeeting | 15:03 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Wed Sep 28 15:03:05 2011 UTC. The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot. | 15:03 |
| meetingology | Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired | 15:03 |
| slangasek | [TOPIC] lightning round | 15:03 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: lightning round | ||
| slangasek | $ echo $(shuf -e cjwatson barry doko stgraber jhunt mvo ev bdmurray slangasek) | 15:03 |
| slangasek | stgraber mvo bdmurray jhunt ev doko slangasek barry cjwatson | 15:03 |
| slangasek | boom | 15:03 |
| stgraber | - Got rid of most of friendly-recovery's bugs, the rest will have to wait for P. (bug 524605, bug 782872, bug 852266, bug 777524) | 15:03 |
| stgraber | - Tracked bug 854967 down to a binary driver problem, hopefully gfxpayload blacklist will be updated to fix it | 15:03 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 524605 in friendly-recovery (Ubuntu) "Keyboard layout isn't configured by the time friendly-recovery starts" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/524605 | 15:03 |
| stgraber | - Starting poking at bug 745960 though couldn't reproduce it yet | 15:03 |
| stgraber | - Still trying to reproduce our "last" Edubuntu bug: bug 856460 but no luck so far | 15:03 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 782872 in friendly-recovery (Ubuntu) "Recovery mode is displayed in unreadable font" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/782872 | 15:03 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 852266 in friendly-recovery (Ubuntu) "friendly-recovery spews noise about missing commands when /usr is a separate partition" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/852266 | 15:03 |
| stgraber | - Worked on a fix for bug 848072 | 15:03 |
| stgraber | - Did some upgrade testing for Edubuntu as we didn't have time to do it for beta2, didn't find any bug there | 15:03 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 777524 in friendly-recovery (Ubuntu Oneiric) "“Repair broken packages” option breaks with Python ≥ 2.6" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/777524 | 15:03 |
| stgraber | - On the side, did some work on porting the ISO tracker to Drupal 7. Will need some more work but at least for Launchpad integration working and am now a lot more familiar with Drupal 7 API. | 15:03 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 854967 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-updates (Ubuntu) "boot to rescue mode in Oneiric" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/854967 | 15:04 |
| stgraber | - TODO | 15:04 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 745960 in grub2 (Ubuntu Oneiric) "Cannot boot grub after installing to LVM" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/745960 | 15:04 |
| stgraber | - Will do a bunch of uploads for translations update before final freeze | 15:04 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 856460 in ltsp (Ubuntu) "ltsp-live fails to configure internal NIC" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/856460 | 15:04 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 848072 in netcfg (Ubuntu) "[oneiric] net-installer dhcp client fails with a DHCPDECLINE" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/848072 | 15:04 |
| stgraber | - Will then continue going through milestoned ubiquity bugs and fix as many of them | 15:04 |
| stgraber | oh, and did some patch piloting last Thursday | 15:04 |
| stgraber | (done) | 15:04 |
| mvo_ | did: | 15:05 |
| mvo_ | summary: lots and lots of debugging/fixing | 15:05 |
| mvo_ | python-apt: fix bug #829284 once and for all via new ParentComponent concept in python-apt | 15:05 |
| mvo_ | aptdaemon: debug/fix/upload new version with fix for bug #659111 | 15:05 |
| mvo_ | software-center: trying to verify remaining proxy issue, can't reproduce (#545134), port to the new UbuntuSSOClient API, tentative fix for #857931, integrate lp:~mvo/software-center/review-stats-as-dbm for unity, debug/fix #651568 (turns out to be a bug in sun-java6), prepare debdiff, get in touch with brian | 15:05 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 829284 in python-apt (Ubuntu) "Software Center does not enable "universe" when it enables "multiverse" software sources of dependencies" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/829284 | 15:05 |
| mvo_ | piston-mini-client: add proxy support, review branch from achuni, merge, upload new piston-mini-client to oneiric, | 15:05 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 659111 in aptdaemon (Ubuntu) "Installing then removing Monodevelop reports "the package system is broken"" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/659111 | 15:05 |
| mvo_ | update-notifier: look at app indicator port for update-notifier (lp:~mvo/update-notifier/app-indicator-port | 15:05 |
| mvo_ | update-manager: look at #854622 again (changelog.Debian.gz no-duplicaton) | 15:05 |
| mvo_ | apt: work on regression test for apt-key net-update, net-update security issue, debug/diagnose/upload fix for #854090 | 15:05 |
| mvo_ | misc: patch piloting | 15:05 |
| mvo_ | EOF | 15:05 |
| mvo_ | stgraber: thanks for the friendly-recovery fixes!!! | 15:05 |
| bdmurray | since I missed last weeks meeting this covers some of that period | 15:06 |
| * slangasek drowns in stgraber's list of bugs | 15:06 | |
| bdmurray | bug triage of foundations team iso-testing bugs | 15:06 |
| bdmurray | bug pattern writing for bug 854090 and investigation into it and bug 859976 | 15:06 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 854090 in update-manager (Ubuntu Oneiric) "aptd crashed with SIGSEGV in debListParser::LoadReleaseInfo()" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/854090 | 15:06 |
| bdmurray | discovered an issue with bugpatterns not working because OriginalTitle is not known when an apport bug is being reported - it is only defined when downloading a bug title | 15:06 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 854090 in update-manager (Ubuntu Oneiric) "duplicate for #859976 aptd crashed with SIGSEGV in debListParser::LoadReleaseInfo()" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/854090 | 15:06 |
| bdmurray | fixed all existing patterns and emailed bug control | 15:06 |
| bdmurray | investigation into ntfs resize errors and ntfs-3g bug reports | 15:06 |
| bdmurray | plymouth apport package hook modification fixing bug 860371 (gather more log files) | 15:06 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 860371 in apport (Ubuntu) "apport should save boot.log for plymouth crashes" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/860371 | 15:06 |
| bdmurray | modification of apport package hook for debian-installer to properly collect dm information (LP: #856826) | 15:06 |
| bdmurray | added active_milestones to distro_series in lpltk | 15:06 |
| bdmurray | wrote an important milestoned bug tasks report for slangasek and other engineering teams | 15:06 |
| bdmurray | html report of recently important bug tasks | 15:06 |
| bdmurray | created an html version of the assigned old in progress bug tasks report created html version of report of team-left-closed bug tasks report | 15:06 |
| bdmurray | you can find links to all reports at http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ | 15:06 |
| bdmurray | irc discussion regarding crichton and patch subscription | 15:07 |
| bdmurray | wrote and sent trip report from OReilly Strata Conference | 15:07 |
| bdmurray | work on role and responsibilities of the defect analysts | 15:07 |
| bdmurray | done | 15:07 |
| jhunt | On holiday last week. Fixed a trying bug in the upstart job logging code | 15:07 |
| jhunt | which will allow an updated ppa build this week (although still need to | 15:07 |
| jhunt | finish some tests). Currently working on bugs 849414, 829980 and 849414. | 15:07 |
| jhunt | ⏎ | 15:07 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 849414 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "plymouthd crashed with SIGSEGV in ply_event_loop_process_pending_events()" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/849414 | 15:07 |
| stgraber | mvo_: no prob, hopefully I can spend some more time on it for 12.04 so we can get a rocking recovery mode for the LTS | 15:07 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 829980 in upstart (Ubuntu) "upstart-udev-bridge eats 100% cpu calling dbus_message_iter_append_basic()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/829980 | 15:07 |
| slangasek | [LINK] reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/foundations-bugs/foundations-bugs-next-milestone-important-bug-tasks.html - important milestoned bug tasks | 15:07 |
| jhunt | stgraber: I'm keen to help out with that too. | 15:08 |
| slangasek | bdmurray: it occurs to me that it would be nice to show the assignee on there too, btw | 15:08 |
| stgraber | jhunt: cool, definitely worth a session in Orlando then | 15:08 |
| jhunt | stgraber: agreed! | 15:08 |
| bdmurray | slangasek: got it | 15:08 |
| cjwatson | it'd be lovely for all reports.qa pages to show a timestamp of when the report was generated | 15:08 |
| stgraber | oh, speaking of reports, I now have: http://people.canonical.com/~stgraber/package_sets/ if someone's wondering what's in our package sets (and doesn't want to play with edit_acl.py) | 15:09 |
| slangasek | bdmurray: ^^ agree with cjwatson; for that matter, embedding a link to the source would be nice | 15:11 |
| bdmurray | I've todo'ed the timestamp | 15:11 |
| slangasek | ev: | 15:11 |
| ev | - Fixed live-build to include universe and friends on Wubi disk images | 15:12 |
| ev | (855301). | 15:12 |
| ev | - Call with Hugh and others on the employee survey. | 15:12 |
| ev | - Fixed locale issues with Wubi disk images (855295). | 15:12 |
| ev | - Fixed timezone issues with Wubi disk images (855287). | 15:12 |
| ev | - Fixed release notes update installer links being displayed when there isn't | 15:12 |
| ev | a network connection (856213). | 15:12 |
| ev | - Fighting Wubi test harness and fixing bug (856340). | 15:12 |
| ev | - Repaint the wallpaper in ubiquity by entering the GTK main loop (854179). | 15:12 |
| ev | - Fought ubiquity tests build failures, pygobject 3 to blame (854179). | 15:12 |
| ev | - Replied to HP regarding customizing the installer. | 15:12 |
| ev | - Reviewing developer.ubuntu.com at the request of the web team before it went | 15:12 |
| ev | live. | 15:12 |
| ev | - Set ATK names only when using --ldtp in ubiquity (781385). | 15:12 |
| ev | - UBUNTU IS PEOPLE! (855685). | 15:12 |
| ev | - Fixed Wubi not using a local ISO (bad refactoring, yay) (842397). | 15:12 |
| ev | - Fighting with canonical-arm on oem-config-gtk (820514). | 15:12 |
| ev | - Trying to get to the bottom of the apt lock bug (743395). A few attempts at | 15:12 |
| ev | fixing it made. | 15:12 |
| ev | - Meeting with Iain, Matthew, and John on changes to the downloads page 11.10. | 15:12 |
| ev | - Evening fun hacking on the metrics collection backend and Wubi frontend | 15:12 |
| ev | using nodejs and MongoDB. Working prototype \o/ and I'll have a Vagrant | 15:12 |
| ev | configuration (VirtualBox + puppet/chef: http://vagrantup.com/) in a public | 15:12 |
| ev | branch soon, if you want to get your own projects hooked into it. | 15:12 |
| ev | - Fixed some bugs caught by unit tests. | 15:12 |
| ev | - Merged and pushed out a new slideshow with updated screenshots for the | 15:12 |
| ev | latest desktop changes. | 15:12 |
| ev | - Reviewing Colin's async geonames branch | 15:12 |
| ev | (https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/ubiquity/libsoup-timezone/+merge/77324). | 15:12 |
| ev | done! | 15:12 |
| jhunt | that's a lot of fightin' :) | 15:13 |
| ev | :) | 15:13 |
| mvo_ | yeah, really impressive list! | 15:14 |
| ev | thanks! | 15:14 |
| slangasek | ah, soylent ubuntu | 15:15 |
| slangasek | doko: did you make it back in time? | 15:15 |
| ev | I'm working on reanimating Heston | 15:15 |
| slangasek | guess not, so I'll dump doko's status here for him | 15:16 |
| slangasek | - more ftbfs fixes, although the pace slows down (~30). | 15:16 |
| slangasek | - sponsoring ftbfs fixes, ftbfs related archive removals | 15:16 |
| slangasek | - fixed some armel ftbfs (linker related and fpc related) | 15:16 |
| slangasek | - openjdk-6 JamVM update (please expect an openjdk-7 update still this week) | 15:16 |
| slangasek | - 853688, no real solution yet. proposed to fix the | 15:16 |
| slangasek | original issue in command-not-found | 15:16 |
| slangasek | - bug triage on some issues | 15:16 |
| slangasek | - scanned the armel ftbfs, no new binutils/gcc related issues found | 15:16 |
| slangasek | - eglibc update (maybe one more needed: 861132) | 15:16 |
| slangasek | - addressed (too) late linking changes in the gtk/gnome uploads on #debian-release. | 15:16 |
| slangasek | bug #853688 | 15:17 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 853688 in gcj-4.4 (Ubuntu Oneiric) "Natty to Oneiric - failed to calculate the upgrade with gcj-4.4-jre installed" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/853688 | 15:17 |
| slangasek | bug #861132 | 15:17 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 861132 in eglibc "setenv ("NAME", NULL) corrupts environment" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/861132 | 15:17 |
| slangasek | and then me | 15:20 |
| slangasek | pushed changes to gdm,lightdm,plymouth to give us text-free shutdown again (bug #854329). If you still see dots over text, report bugs! | 15:20 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 854329 in xdm (Ubuntu Oneiric) "race condition on shutdown with more than one DM installed" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/854329 | 15:20 |
| slangasek | fixed up i18n for console-setup (bug #838669) | 15:20 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 838669 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Keep default layout dialog is not localized in Finnish" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/838669 | 15:20 |
| slangasek | did some thinking about apt-key over the weekend, helping to come up with a plan | 15:20 |
| slangasek | qemu-linaro FFe, fixing FTBFS | 15:20 |
| slangasek | fixing up flashplugin-nonfree maintainer scripts | 15:20 |
| slangasek | upload dpkg to catch all the stragglers still missing multiarch on their systems (bug #846451) | 15:20 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 846451 in dpkg (Ubuntu) "upgrades from oneiric beta-1 installs missing multiarch support" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/846451 | 15:20 |
| slangasek | convert jackd2 to multiarch at the eleventh hour because I converted the wrong libjack before (bug #861025); still regression-testing the archive for buildability | 15:21 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 861025 in jackd2 (Ubuntu) "FFe: I don't know jack, need to multiarch jackd2" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/861025 | 15:21 |
| slangasek | spent some time helping with FFe reviews | 15:21 |
| slangasek | (done) | 15:21 |
| ev | slangasek: will ubiquity-dm need anything for that text-free shutdown? | 15:21 |
| barry | bug 795096 (turbojson ftbfs - python-peak.util update); bug 850744 (quickly crash after upgrade); bug 832782 (python-omniorb ftbfs); bug 835008 (nipype ftbfs); gtimelog 0.7 release (upstream and ubuntu); bug 831344 (cardstories ftbfs); merge python-defaults from debian; python security issue 7732 (imp.find_module crasher); todo: continue on 795096 and 850744, other ftbfs. done. | 15:22 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 795096 in turbojson (Ubuntu Oneiric) "FTBFS with Python 2.7 as default" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/795096 | 15:22 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 850744 in quickly (Ubuntu) "quickly crashed with ImportError in __main__: No module named quickly" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/850744 | 15:22 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 832782 in python-omniorb (Ubuntu Oneiric) "python-omniorb version 3.5-3 failed to build in oneiric" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/832782 | 15:22 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 835008 in nipype (Ubuntu Oneiric) "nipype version 0.4.1-1 failed to build in oneiric" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/835008 | 15:22 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 831344 in cardstories (Debian) "cardstories version 1.0.6-1 failed to build in oneiric" [Unknown,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/831344 | 15:22 |
| cjwatson | some cross-build fixes | 15:22 |
| cjwatson | gfxboot-theme-ubuntu: Lubuntu localisation (bug 855977) | 15:22 |
| cjwatson | d-i: handle /dev/zram* the same way as /dev/ramzswap*; fix a collection of Xen installation bugs (bug 720558, bug 857548, bug 857662); netcfg hostname fix (bug 856088); installation-guide update; working on bug 851704; fixed up i18n for console-setup harder :-) (bug 860562) | 15:22 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 855977 in gfxboot-theme-ubuntu (Ubuntu) "Entries with "Lubuntu" are not translated on the boot menu on any Lubuntu ISO" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/855977 | 15:22 |
| cjwatson | grub: fix arcane linking bug (bug 837815) | 15:22 |
| slangasek | ev: the particular problem being fixed was that if there were two DMs installed on a system that had been upgraded (e.g., lightdm+gdm), one of these will stop at *startup*, so plymouth starts as soon as the runlevel event happens. I don't think ubiquity-dm is affected by this | 15:22 |
| cjwatson | ubiquity: working on networkless hang on timezone page (bug 837217) - incidentally, by contrast with the mumble discussion, I found the GI Soup interface perfectly reasonable :-) | 15:23 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 720558 in grub (Ubuntu Natty) "Ubuntu 10.04 currently requires groot= workaround with pvgrub" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/720558 | 15:23 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 857548 in grub-installer (Ubuntu Natty) "no longer possible to select GRUB Legacy by preseeding" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/857548 | 15:23 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 857662 in debian-installer (Ubuntu P-series) "Should xenbus_probe_frontend be built-in?" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/857662 | 15:23 |
| cjwatson | various UEFI secure boot discussions, spilled over onto ubuntu-users@ and the like | 15:23 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 856088 in netcfg (Ubuntu Oneiric) "Expert install defaults to invalid hostname" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/856088 | 15:23 |
| cjwatson | ADSL fixed last week; now have twice the bandwidth I had before, which is still not a lot but there you go | 15:23 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 851704 in grub2 (Ubuntu Oneiric) "GRUB reports error after successful installation (Alternate)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/851704 | 15:23 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 837815 in grub (Ubuntu Oneiric) "Grub 0.97-29ubuntu62 gives error "Error 6: Mismatched or corrupt version of stage1/stage2"" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/837815 | 15:23 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 837217 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Oneiric) "Time Zone selector hangs and ubiquity freezes if network connection is firewalled" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/837217 | 15:23 |
| cjwatson | a bit generally distracted at the moment due to family medical issues | 15:23 |
| cjwatson | .. | 15:23 |
| ev | slangasek: cool, just making sure | 15:23 |
| slangasek | ev: but switching to emitting the 'desktop-shutdown' symbol would be nice anyway in the long term, to simplify our job logic | 15:23 |
| ev | noted | 15:23 |
| mvo_ | slangasek: apt-key - I really much appreciated your help with that one, excellent plan | 15:23 |
| slangasek | mvo_: glad it helped! what's the timeline for getting those changes in, then? Will we have it in oneiric before final release? | 15:24 |
| mvo_ | slangasek: I want to get some additional review from #security, but I think that is within the scope | 15:24 |
| slangasek | cjwatson: what's the state of cross-buildability now? how far have we bitrotted? | 15:25 |
| cjwatson | I think I've cured the worst of the bitrot, although python2.6 doesn't seem to cross-build for me which is a current impedance to a lot of stuff | 15:25 |
| jhunt | a general upstart point: we should be updating upstart-events(7) when we add new events like desktop-shutdown and recovery. | 15:26 |
| cjwatson | wookey and I have some mismatches on what we're trying to make work | 15:26 |
| cjwatson | mvo: do you think you could upload that sha512 fix in apt to Debian? if I have that there, I can upload xdeb to Debian and sync | 15:26 |
| cjwatson | (modulo FFe) | 15:27 |
| slangasek | hmm, speaking of gfxboot-theme-ubuntu, while debugging my boot flickers over the weekend, I had a poke at putting the plymouth logo on the grub background... I don't suppose anyone's planning for grub2 to grow a '-center' option for the background_image command? :) | 15:27 |
| cjwatson | slangasek: what we don't have, and what I think needs to be a priority in P if we're taking this seriously, is a regularly updated dashboard of current failures that *isn't* in the form of a spreadsheet attached to a wiki page | 15:27 |
| slangasek | heh, yes | 15:27 |
| mvo_ | cjwatson: I looked at this the other day, its only a bug in experimental currently, unstable is fine | 15:28 |
| === mvo_ is now known as mvo | ||
| slangasek | jhunt: shall I open a task on upstart for this bug? | 15:28 |
| cjwatson | mvo: oh really? ok, excellent | 15:28 |
| mvo | cjwatson: or will xdeb go to experimental too? | 15:28 |
| cjwatson | mvo: no, unstable | 15:28 |
| cjwatson | slangasek: center - hm, I think I tried to add -x and -y at one point, I forget what went wrong | 15:28 |
| mvo | cjwatson: yeah, unstable in debian is a bit behind because of the massive ABI break and the binary NMUs still will requires | 15:29 |
| jhunt | slangasek: cool, thx. | 15:29 |
| cjwatson | slangasek: cross-building> so at the moment unfortunately even answering your question is rather arduous. Linaro's work is largely based on natty | 15:29 |
| slangasek | cjwatson: my current method is to use 'convert' to switch the logo from RGBA to RGB and expand it out to the dimensions that I happen to know my display comes up at... not very portable, and imagemagick isn't in the base system :) | 15:30 |
| cjwatson | I have 84 cross-built packages in my tree, but of course that's only a small core - I was trying to see if I could get all of Ubuntu Core to work | 15:30 |
| cjwatson | slangasek: I don't think putting the plymouth logo on the grub background is in general realistic, which is why I haven't pursued this | 15:30 |
| slangasek | fair enough | 15:30 |
| cjwatson | slangasek: it means it is really really obvious when your manufacturer hasn't bothered to put the KMS panel resolution in EDID | 15:30 |
| slangasek | I was spending a lot of time rebooting my old laptop this weekend, so I gave it a go | 15:31 |
| cjwatson | at least with a plain filled background, one purple screen looks much like another | 15:31 |
| * slangasek nods | 15:31 | |
| cjwatson | though it would be nice if the logo faded in rather than just being blitted | 15:31 |
| cjwatson | bling | 15:31 |
| * slangasek grins | 15:32 | |
| slangasek | [TOPIC] Bugs | 15:33 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Bugs | ||
| slangasek | bdmurray: what's buggy? :) | 15:33 |
| cjwatson | (please don't say "everything") | 15:33 |
| slangasek | it's his job to be more selective ;) | 15:33 |
| bdmurray | almost everything! | 15:34 |
| bdmurray | ;-) | 15:34 |
| ev | hahaha | 15:34 |
| slangasek | well done! | 15:34 |
| mvo | lol | 15:34 |
| ev | ship it! | 15:34 |
| bdmurray | bug 855042 seems rather important and is still new but has a fair bit of information | 15:34 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 855042 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "ubiquity hangs while jockey-text at 100% CPU" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/855042 | 15:34 |
| cjwatson | let's have that be Confirmed at least | 15:36 |
| cjwatson | I have a horrible feeling that's hw-dependent | 15:36 |
| ev | surely that's a jockey bug | 15:36 |
| bdmurray | jockey creates its own log file right? would that be worth getting? | 15:36 |
| ev | stderr, as far as I'm aware | 15:37 |
| ev | but presumably this is reproduceable outside of ubiquity | 15:37 |
| bdmurray | apport.hookutils.attach_file_if_exists(report, '/var/log/jockey.log') | 15:37 |
| ev | so they could just redirect | 15:37 |
| ev | ah | 15:37 |
| ev | neato | 15:37 |
| stgraber | based on the syslog, the hardware seems to use intel graphics and most of the rest seems to be intel too | 15:38 |
| cjwatson | hmm, why is that asking for confirmation? we don't pass --confirm | 15:38 |
| ev | ohhhhh | 15:38 |
| cjwatson | afaics confirm_action is only called inside an 'if confirm:' guard | 15:38 |
| ev | I thought we fixed this AGES ago? | 15:38 |
| cjwatson | oh | 15:39 |
| cjwatson | self.set_handler_enable(h_id, 'enable', True) | 15:39 |
| cjwatson | in check_composite | 15:39 |
| cjwatson | so that always asks for confirmation regardless (third arg = confirm) | 15:39 |
| ev | but confirm shouldn't matter? We feed it y\n with LC_ALL set to C | 15:40 |
| cjwatson | oh, we do? | 15:40 |
| cjwatson | I see no LC_ALL=C in ./scripts/simple-plugins | 15:41 |
| ev | ah | 15:41 |
| ev | I was foolishly looking in plugininstall.py | 15:41 |
| cjwatson | nor any y/n passing | 15:41 |
| cjwatson | (and if jockey-text is using stdio there, it'll probably break debconf, too) | 15:42 |
| * cjwatson wonders why this is duplicated between plugininstall and simple-plugins | 15:43 | |
| ev | indeed, an oversight | 15:44 |
| ev | oh | 15:44 |
| ev | because we need to do the latter in the chroot | 15:44 |
| ev | otherwise bad things happen, according to pitti, but I can't recall exactly what | 15:44 |
| bdmurray | okay so you two are looking into this now? | 15:44 |
| slangasek | sounds like they have it triaged :) | 15:44 |
| slangasek | other bugs? | 15:44 |
| bdmurray | bug 861303 recently reported by scottk | 15:45 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 861303 in python-numpy (Ubuntu Oneiric) "import numpy fails badly" [Critical,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/861303 | 15:45 |
| ev | (sidebar, scripts/simple-plugins should die in a fire) | 15:45 |
| bdmurray | the title is wrong / misleading | 15:45 |
| slangasek | very strange | 15:46 |
| slangasek | anyone have any guesses why python modules would suddenly be unable to resolve symbols in a package build? | 15:47 |
| barry | slangasek: which symbols? all of them? :) | 15:47 |
| slangasek | barry: Py_InitModule4 | 15:48 |
| barry | slangasek: i was afraid you might say that. now i have to remember which package i fixed something similar in | 15:48 |
| slangasek | barry: cool; will you follow up on the bug? | 15:48 |
| barry | slangasek: 861303, right? | 15:48 |
| slangasek | barry: yep | 15:49 |
| barry | slangasek: will do | 15:49 |
| bdmurray | the other 2 I'm looking at are more long term the traceback in bug 850482 is causing some incorrect duplicate marking | 15:50 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 850482 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "update-manager crashed with SystemError in mark_install(): E:Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages." [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/850482 | 15:50 |
| bdmurray | I'm wondering if there is a way to make that error more verbose to prevent this incorrect duplicate marking | 15:50 |
| mvo | I can look into that after the meeting, maybe need to just append the pkgname to the error string | 15:51 |
| bdmurray | mvo: okay thanks! | 15:51 |
| bdmurray | finally bug 69176 (not a typo) ;-) | 15:52 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 69176 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "No notification in Ubiquity for bad sectors" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/69176 | 15:52 |
| * slangasek nods | 15:52 | |
| bdmurray | I recently found a ubiquity bug regarding bad sectors when trying to use ntfsresize | 15:52 |
| bdmurray | while there aren't a lot of these it seems like it might be helpful to deal with this situation better | 15:53 |
| slangasek | kinda hard to get bad sector notification into the GUI, because there's no clear back channel for this... anyone have any clever ideas about how to handle that one? | 15:53 |
| cjwatson | I have some preliminary work for talking to external fs tools in a smarter way | 15:53 |
| cjwatson | this becomes more urgent for parted 3.0 because it drops the buggy and unmaintained filesystem code there | 15:54 |
| * doko just came back | 15:54 | |
| cjwatson | but there's no way it'll be in place for oneiric | 15:54 |
| cjwatson | mostly I'm focusing on fixing the lack of decent progress output on many mkfs/resize ops in the installer | 15:54 |
| cjwatson | but I think it could probably be used to handle other problems too | 15:54 |
| * slangasek waves to doko | 15:55 | |
| bdmurray | right of course I was thinking of targetting it for P | 15:55 |
| cjwatson | yeah; still quite a bit to go but that might be realistic | 15:55 |
| slangasek | cool | 15:55 |
| slangasek | thanks, bdmurray | 15:55 |
| slangasek | [TOPIC] AOB | 15:56 |
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| slangasek | anything else before we all turn into pumpkins? | 15:56 |
| cjwatson | FWIW the bug list I'm tracking for release meetings is http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/kernel-bugs/reports/rls-mgr-o-tracking-bugs.html | 15:56 |
| ev | I have two things. One, lets talk about integration tests at UDS. That is, what would it take to fire off the ubiquity test harness when someone uploads GTK+ (run all the unit tests for any reverse deps for the package being built)? | 15:56 |
| ev | And two, http://www.vagrantup.com - VirtualBox + puppet/chef - great for working on things that you at some point want IS to provision, but can't bother waiting on RTs | 15:57 |
| barry | slangasek: hopefully not 1487 lb pumpkins | 15:57 |
| ev | especially when you're working with others, as you just pass around the config | 15:57 |
| slangasek | ev: integration tests> can you talk to Pete to make sure QA is covering this topic at UDS? | 15:58 |
| ev | slangasek: will do | 15:59 |
| slangasek | ev: vagrantup - that only helps when you have the local hardware resources to provision it yourself, I guess? :) | 15:59 |
| cjwatson | I've got IS to give me an rsync module on cocoplum accessible from lillypilly so that I can have an all-arches dists/ mirror there | 15:59 |
| ev | well, it's a virtual machine | 15:59 |
| cjwatson | this will let us have all-arches rmadison and start moving various archive tools off cocoplum when they only need Packages/Sources | 15:59 |
| cjwatson | and reduce the ssh-with-restricted-keys madness for a bunch of stsuff | 16:00 |
| cjwatson | planning on spending a bit of time doing that after final freeze | 16:00 |
| slangasek | ev: right, but you need to have hardware with enough idle cpu and disk to provision the vms for the jobs you're doing, I guess | 16:00 |
| slangasek | cjwatson: lillypilly> very nice | 16:02 |
| slangasek | #endmeeting | 16:02 |
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| meetingology | Meeting ended Wed Sep 28 16:02:49 2011 UTC. | 16:02 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-09-28-15.03.moin.txt | 16:02 |
| slangasek | thanks, everyone! | 16:02 |
| barry | thanks! | 16:02 |
| mvo | thanks | 16:03 |
| stgraber | thanks | 16:03 |
| jhunt | thanks | 16:06 |
| ev | slangasek: true | 16:08 |
| ev | thanks! | 16:08 |
| * Ursinha looks around | 17:00 | |
| jibel | ~ô~ | 17:00 |
| Ursinha | :) | 17:00 |
| bdmurray | \o/ | 17:00 |
| gema | o/ | 17:00 |
| nuclearbob | howdy | 17:00 |
| Ursinha | chair is jibel, right? | 17:01 |
| * charlie-tca waves | 17:01 | |
| jibel | Ursinha, right | 17:02 |
| jibel | pedro_'s joined us. Lets start meeting | 17:03 |
| jibel | #startmeeting Ubuntu QA Team | 17:03 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Wed Sep 28 17:03:20 2011 UTC. The chair is jibel. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot. | 17:03 |
| meetingology | Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired | 17:03 |
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| Ursinha | jibel, useful stuff here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Meetings/Chairing#Handy_commands | 17:03 |
| Ursinha | copy, paste and be happy | 17:03 |
| Ursinha | :) | 17:03 |
| pedro_ | uh just in time ;-) | 17:03 |
| jibel | #topic Previous Actions | 17:03 |
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| jibel | there are 3 actions from previous meeting | 17:04 |
| jibel | Ursinha to chase checkbox package problem with ara | 17:04 |
| Ursinha | I have two of my own | 17:04 |
| jibel | ^ Ursinha what about checkbox package problem ? | 17:05 |
| Ursinha | the checkbox package resolved itself when the dependencies reached the ppa | 17:05 |
| Ursinha | so I didn't have to bother ara with that | 17:05 |
| jibel | great, thanks for that. | 17:05 |
| jibel | gema to create a starting point (page or something) to discuss and note automation testing for Ubuntu | 17:05 |
| jibel | gema, any news ? | 17:05 |
| gema | I created a wiki and added one item as an example | 17:06 |
| gema | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/AutomatedTesting/CommunityFeedback | 17:06 |
| Ursinha | yay | 17:06 |
| gema | I will be adding more stuff and it would be good to start getting feedback from other people too | 17:06 |
| charlie-tca | o/ | 17:06 |
| gema | this is your chance to complain big time! | 17:06 |
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| jibel | charlie-tca, we are all ears | 17:07 |
| gema | yep | 17:07 |
| charlie-tca | gema: I reviewed the testing doc, but I think I forgot to send the email | 17:07 |
| charlie-tca | It looks good to get started | 17:07 |
| gema | ok | 17:08 |
| gema | any feedback you have send it to me | 17:08 |
| charlie-tca | .. | 17:08 |
| gema | .. | 17:08 |
| jibel | thanks gema | 17:08 |
| jibel | Last action from previous week: Ursinha to add irc commands to the next chair | 17:09 |
| Ursinha | I did that, it's in the Chairing link | 17:09 |
| Ursinha | .. | 17:09 |
| jibel | Ursinha, cool thanks, will try that at the end of the meeting | 17:10 |
| jibel | #topic Community Efforts/Testing jibel | 17:10 |
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| jibel | Last week was Oneiric Beta 2 testing | 17:11 |
| jibel | Testing report: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/ReleaseReports/OneiricBeta2TestReport | 17:11 |
| jibel | Participation was as high as Beta1 and we wish it will be higher for the final release. | 17:12 |
| jibel | The list of bugs found during the milestone is at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/report | 17:12 |
| jibel | List of bugs found during previous milestones: | 17:12 |
| jibel | http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/kernel-bugs/reports/iso-testing-open-all.html | 17:12 |
| jibel | Tomorrow is final freeze, you can help with testing daily ISOs and make sure that nothing release critical made its way to the images. | 17:13 |
| jibel | If you find something then raise a red flag. | 17:13 |
| jibel | Other topic on community testing: laptop testing | 17:13 |
| jibel | primes2h sent a call for testing last Friday | 17:13 |
| jibel | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-qa/2011-September/001689.html | 17:13 |
| jibel | You can help there too. | 17:13 |
| jibel | For laptop testing you'll need to run oneiric Beta 2 on your laptop and report results to the tracker. | 17:13 |
| jibel | that's all from me | 17:14 |
| jibel | any question/comment/complaints ? | 17:14 |
| jibel | moving on | 17:15 |
| jibel | #topic Automated/Systems Testing | 17:15 |
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| jibel | anyone ? | 17:15 |
| gema | nothing from me | 17:15 |
| gema | .. | 17:15 |
| nuclearbob | I'm working on the qrt scripts | 17:15 |
| nuclearbob | making changes where necessary to get them all working on natty, then looking into implementing a system to note different dependencies for different versions, and ensure they work right on the lts versions | 17:16 |
| nuclearbob | we'll be doing more design on that at a session at uds | 17:16 |
| nuclearbob | that's all I've got for now | 17:17 |
| jibel | nice thanks. is there a blueprint registered for UDS so people interested can subscribe ? | 17:17 |
| jibel | nuclearbob, ^ | 17:17 |
| nuclearbob | not yet, I'll be working with pgraner on that later | 17:18 |
| jibel | ok, keep us informed | 17:18 |
| nuclearbob | will do | 17:18 |
| jibel | on the automation side, boot speed testing is back | 17:18 |
| jibel | you see the report at http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/boot-speed/ | 17:19 |
| jibel | patrickmw, could tell more than me so that's all I can say for today. | 17:19 |
| bdmurray | wow that's pretty | 17:20 |
| Ursinha | indeed | 17:20 |
| jibel | it is, thanks to bjf artistic talent | 17:21 |
| bdmurray | what‽ an artistic kernel dev | 17:21 |
| gema | bdmurray: kernels are pure art... | 17:22 |
| jibel | #topic Engineering Team Bug Status bdmurray pedro_ Ursinha | 17:22 |
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| Ursinha | nothing to report; lots in progress, nothing completed | 17:22 |
| Ursinha | .. | 17:22 |
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| bdmurray | uploaded new apport hooks for plymouth and debian-installer | 17:23 |
| bdmurray | wrote a few additional html reports of bug tasks | 17:23 |
| bdmurray | at http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ | 17:23 |
| Ursinha | \o/ | 17:24 |
| bdmurray | went to O'Reilly Strata conference regarding BIG data | 17:24 |
| bdmurray | lots of interesting stuff regarding data visualization etc... | 17:24 |
| bdmurray | discovered an issue with bugpatterns not working because OriginalTitle is not known when an apport bug is being reported - it is only defined when downloading a bug title | 17:24 |
| bdmurray | fixed all existing patterns and emailed bug control | 17:24 |
| bdmurray | that's all | 17:25 |
| pedro_ | so besides normal bug triage, I've wrote a few bug patterns for different packages (can't remember the list so better check the changelog) | 17:25 |
| pedro_ | and i've also looking at old bugs with a fixed upstream task so start closing those in our side (Ubuntu) | 17:26 |
| pedro_ | seems we have almost a ~1000 of those right now | 17:26 |
| pedro_ | only on the desktop set... | 17:26 |
| Ursinha | how many did you clean? | 17:26 |
| Ursinha | up | 17:27 |
| bdmurray | pedro_: I wonder if there is some way to automate that | 17:27 |
| pedro_ | Ursinha, I'm manually checking those right now, so is not a fast process | 17:27 |
| Ursinha | I believe we can automate that, yes | 17:27 |
| Ursinha | pedro_, want to discuss that outside the meeting, right after that? | 17:28 |
| bdmurray | yes please | 17:28 |
| Ursinha | awesome | 17:28 |
| pedro_ | bdmurray, right , an automated process would be cool, and it would also work for other packages with upstream project | 17:28 |
| Ursinha | :) | 17:28 |
| pedro_ | yeah lets discuss that later | 17:28 |
| pedro_ | so nothing else from me | 17:28 |
| pedro_ | .. | 17:28 |
| jibel | any question ? | 17:29 |
| jibel | #topic Other topics | 17:30 |
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| jibel | anyone ? | 17:30 |
| gema | .. | 17:34 |
| jibel | [TOPIC] Chair Selection - $ shuf -e pedro_ Ursinha bdmurray nuclearbob gema charlie-tca | head -1 | 17:34 |
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| jibel | and ? where is the magic ? | 17:34 |
| charlie-tca | At least it tells you something now? | 17:35 |
| jibel | nuclearbob | 17:35 |
| nuclearbob | all right | 17:35 |
| Ursinha | jibel, ah, I recall you giving me the mission of implementing this as a bot command | 17:35 |
| jibel | Ursinha, no problem, I think there are more useful things to do at this stage of the release | 17:36 |
| charlie-tca | +1 | 17:37 |
| jibel | #action nuclearbob to chair next meeting | 17:37 |
| meetingology | ACTION: nuclearbob to chair next meeting | 17:37 |
| jibel | 3 | 17:37 |
| jibel | 2 | 17:37 |
| jibel | 1 | 17:37 |
| jibel | thank you all for attending | 17:38 |
| jibel | #endmeeting | 17:38 |
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| meetingology | Meeting ended Wed Sep 28 17:38:21 2011 UTC. | 17:38 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-09-28-17.03.moin.txt | 17:38 |
| charlie-tca | jibel: thank you for chairing. | 17:38 |
| pedro_ | jibel, thanks! | 17:38 |
| charlie-tca | Ursinha: thank you for updating the wiki on chairing | 17:38 |
| Ursinha | charlie-tca, no problem! | 17:38 |
| Ursinha | thanks for chairing jibel | 17:38 |
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