=== noy_ is now known as noy === Amaranthus is now known as Amaranth === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan === genupulas is now known as raju === plars is now known as plars-away [15:00] hello [15:00] hi [15:00] lo [15:01] * stgraber waves [15:01] afternoon *yawn* [15:01] * slangasek waves [15:01] afternoon... is that why I'm tired [15:03] #startmeeting [15:03] Meeting started Wed Sep 28 15:03:05 2011 UTC. The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot. [15:03] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [15:03] [TOPIC] lightning round === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: lightning round [15:03] $ echo $(shuf -e cjwatson barry doko stgraber jhunt mvo ev bdmurray slangasek) [15:03] stgraber mvo bdmurray jhunt ev doko slangasek barry cjwatson [15:03] boom [15:03] - Got rid of most of friendly-recovery's bugs, the rest will have to wait for P. (bug 524605, bug 782872, bug 852266, bug 777524) [15:03] - Tracked bug 854967 down to a binary driver problem, hopefully gfxpayload blacklist will be updated to fix it [15:03] Launchpad bug 524605 in friendly-recovery (Ubuntu) "Keyboard layout isn't configured by the time friendly-recovery starts" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/524605 [15:03] - Starting poking at bug 745960 though couldn't reproduce it yet [15:03] - Still trying to reproduce our "last" Edubuntu bug: bug 856460 but no luck so far [15:03] Launchpad bug 782872 in friendly-recovery (Ubuntu) "Recovery mode is displayed in unreadable font" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/782872 [15:03] Launchpad bug 852266 in friendly-recovery (Ubuntu) "friendly-recovery spews noise about missing commands when /usr is a separate partition" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/852266 [15:03] - Worked on a fix for bug 848072 [15:03] - Did some upgrade testing for Edubuntu as we didn't have time to do it for beta2, didn't find any bug there [15:03] Launchpad bug 777524 in friendly-recovery (Ubuntu Oneiric) "“Repair broken packages” option breaks with Python ≥ 2.6" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/777524 [15:03] - On the side, did some work on porting the ISO tracker to Drupal 7. Will need some more work but at least for Launchpad integration working and am now a lot more familiar with Drupal 7 API. [15:04] Launchpad bug 854967 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-updates (Ubuntu) "boot to rescue mode in Oneiric" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/854967 [15:04] - TODO [15:04] Launchpad bug 745960 in grub2 (Ubuntu Oneiric) "Cannot boot grub after installing to LVM" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/745960 [15:04] - Will do a bunch of uploads for translations update before final freeze [15:04] Launchpad bug 856460 in ltsp (Ubuntu) "ltsp-live fails to configure internal NIC" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/856460 [15:04] Launchpad bug 848072 in netcfg (Ubuntu) "[oneiric] net-installer dhcp client fails with a DHCPDECLINE" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/848072 [15:04] - Will then continue going through milestoned ubiquity bugs and fix as many of them [15:04] oh, and did some patch piloting last Thursday [15:04] (done) [15:05] did: [15:05] summary: lots and lots of debugging/fixing [15:05] python-apt: fix bug #829284 once and for all via new ParentComponent concept in python-apt [15:05] aptdaemon: debug/fix/upload new version with fix for bug #659111 [15:05] software-center: trying to verify remaining proxy issue, can't reproduce (#545134), port to the new UbuntuSSOClient API, tentative fix for #857931, integrate lp:~mvo/software-center/review-stats-as-dbm for unity, debug/fix #651568 (turns out to be a bug in sun-java6), prepare debdiff, get in touch with brian [15:05] Launchpad bug 829284 in python-apt (Ubuntu) "Software Center does not enable "universe" when it enables "multiverse" software sources of dependencies" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/829284 [15:05] piston-mini-client: add proxy support, review branch from achuni, merge, upload new piston-mini-client to oneiric, [15:05] Launchpad bug 659111 in aptdaemon (Ubuntu) "Installing then removing Monodevelop reports "the package system is broken"" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/659111 [15:05] update-notifier: look at app indicator port for update-notifier (lp:~mvo/update-notifier/app-indicator-port [15:05] update-manager: look at #854622 again (changelog.Debian.gz no-duplicaton) [15:05] apt: work on regression test for apt-key net-update, net-update security issue, debug/diagnose/upload fix for #854090 [15:05] misc: patch piloting [15:05] EOF [15:05] stgraber: thanks for the friendly-recovery fixes!!! [15:06] since I missed last weeks meeting this covers some of that period [15:06] * slangasek drowns in stgraber's list of bugs [15:06] bug triage of foundations team iso-testing bugs [15:06] bug pattern writing for bug 854090 and investigation into it and bug 859976 [15:06] Launchpad bug 854090 in update-manager (Ubuntu Oneiric) "aptd crashed with SIGSEGV in debListParser::LoadReleaseInfo()" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/854090 [15:06] discovered an issue with bugpatterns not working because OriginalTitle is not known when an apport bug is being reported - it is only defined when downloading a bug title [15:06] Launchpad bug 854090 in update-manager (Ubuntu Oneiric) "duplicate for #859976 aptd crashed with SIGSEGV in debListParser::LoadReleaseInfo()" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/854090 [15:06] fixed all existing patterns and emailed bug control [15:06] investigation into ntfs resize errors and ntfs-3g bug reports [15:06] plymouth apport package hook modification fixing bug 860371 (gather more log files) [15:06] Launchpad bug 860371 in apport (Ubuntu) "apport should save boot.log for plymouth crashes" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/860371 [15:06] modification of apport package hook for debian-installer to properly collect dm information (LP: #856826) [15:06] added active_milestones to distro_series in lpltk [15:06] wrote an important milestoned bug tasks report for slangasek and other engineering teams [15:06] html report of recently important bug tasks [15:06] created an html version of the assigned old in progress bug tasks report created html version of report of team-left-closed bug tasks report [15:06] you can find links to all reports at http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ [15:07] irc discussion regarding crichton and patch subscription [15:07] wrote and sent trip report from OReilly Strata Conference [15:07] work on role and responsibilities of the defect analysts [15:07] done [15:07] On holiday last week. Fixed a trying bug in the upstart job logging code [15:07] which will allow an updated ppa build this week (although still need to [15:07] finish some tests). Currently working on bugs 849414, 829980 and 849414. [15:07] ⏎ [15:07] Launchpad bug 849414 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "plymouthd crashed with SIGSEGV in ply_event_loop_process_pending_events()" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/849414 [15:07] mvo_: no prob, hopefully I can spend some more time on it for 12.04 so we can get a rocking recovery mode for the LTS [15:07] Launchpad bug 829980 in upstart (Ubuntu) "upstart-udev-bridge eats 100% cpu calling dbus_message_iter_append_basic()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/829980 [15:07] [LINK] reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/foundations-bugs/foundations-bugs-next-milestone-important-bug-tasks.html - important milestoned bug tasks [15:08] stgraber: I'm keen to help out with that too. [15:08] bdmurray: it occurs to me that it would be nice to show the assignee on there too, btw [15:08] jhunt: cool, definitely worth a session in Orlando then [15:08] stgraber: agreed! [15:08] slangasek: got it [15:08] it'd be lovely for all reports.qa pages to show a timestamp of when the report was generated [15:09] oh, speaking of reports, I now have: http://people.canonical.com/~stgraber/package_sets/ if someone's wondering what's in our package sets (and doesn't want to play with edit_acl.py) [15:11] bdmurray: ^^ agree with cjwatson; for that matter, embedding a link to the source would be nice [15:11] I've todo'ed the timestamp [15:11] ev: [15:12] - Fixed live-build to include universe and friends on Wubi disk images [15:12] (855301). [15:12] - Call with Hugh and others on the employee survey. [15:12] - Fixed locale issues with Wubi disk images (855295). [15:12] - Fixed timezone issues with Wubi disk images (855287). [15:12] - Fixed release notes update installer links being displayed when there isn't [15:12] a network connection (856213). [15:12] - Fighting Wubi test harness and fixing bug (856340). [15:12] - Repaint the wallpaper in ubiquity by entering the GTK main loop (854179). [15:12] - Fought ubiquity tests build failures, pygobject 3 to blame (854179). [15:12] - Replied to HP regarding customizing the installer. [15:12] - Reviewing developer.ubuntu.com at the request of the web team before it went [15:12] live. [15:12] - Set ATK names only when using --ldtp in ubiquity (781385). [15:12] - UBUNTU IS PEOPLE! (855685). [15:12] - Fixed Wubi not using a local ISO (bad refactoring, yay) (842397). [15:12] - Fighting with canonical-arm on oem-config-gtk (820514). [15:12] - Trying to get to the bottom of the apt lock bug (743395). A few attempts at [15:12] fixing it made. [15:12] - Meeting with Iain, Matthew, and John on changes to the downloads page 11.10. [15:12] - Evening fun hacking on the metrics collection backend and Wubi frontend [15:12] using nodejs and MongoDB. Working prototype \o/ and I'll have a Vagrant [15:12] configuration (VirtualBox + puppet/chef: http://vagrantup.com/) in a public [15:12] branch soon, if you want to get your own projects hooked into it. [15:12] - Fixed some bugs caught by unit tests. [15:12] - Merged and pushed out a new slideshow with updated screenshots for the [15:12] latest desktop changes. [15:12] - Reviewing Colin's async geonames branch [15:12] (https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/ubiquity/libsoup-timezone/+merge/77324). [15:12] done! [15:13] that's a lot of fightin' :) [15:13] :) [15:14] yeah, really impressive list! [15:14] thanks! [15:15] ah, soylent ubuntu [15:15] doko: did you make it back in time? [15:15] I'm working on reanimating Heston [15:16] guess not, so I'll dump doko's status here for him [15:16] - more ftbfs fixes, although the pace slows down (~30). [15:16] - sponsoring ftbfs fixes, ftbfs related archive removals [15:16] - fixed some armel ftbfs (linker related and fpc related) [15:16] - openjdk-6 JamVM update (please expect an openjdk-7 update still this week) [15:16] - 853688, no real solution yet. proposed to fix the [15:16] original issue in command-not-found [15:16] - bug triage on some issues [15:16] - scanned the armel ftbfs, no new binutils/gcc related issues found [15:16] - eglibc update (maybe one more needed: 861132) [15:16] - addressed (too) late linking changes in the gtk/gnome uploads on #debian-release. [15:17] bug #853688 [15:17] Launchpad bug 853688 in gcj-4.4 (Ubuntu Oneiric) "Natty to Oneiric - failed to calculate the upgrade with gcj-4.4-jre installed" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/853688 [15:17] bug #861132 [15:17] Launchpad bug 861132 in eglibc "setenv ("NAME", NULL) corrupts environment" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/861132 [15:20] and then me [15:20] pushed changes to gdm,lightdm,plymouth to give us text-free shutdown again (bug #854329). If you still see dots over text, report bugs! [15:20] Launchpad bug 854329 in xdm (Ubuntu Oneiric) "race condition on shutdown with more than one DM installed" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/854329 [15:20] fixed up i18n for console-setup (bug #838669) [15:20] Launchpad bug 838669 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Keep default layout dialog is not localized in Finnish" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/838669 [15:20] did some thinking about apt-key over the weekend, helping to come up with a plan [15:20] qemu-linaro FFe, fixing FTBFS [15:20] fixing up flashplugin-nonfree maintainer scripts [15:20] upload dpkg to catch all the stragglers still missing multiarch on their systems (bug #846451) [15:20] Launchpad bug 846451 in dpkg (Ubuntu) "upgrades from oneiric beta-1 installs missing multiarch support" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/846451 [15:21] convert jackd2 to multiarch at the eleventh hour because I converted the wrong libjack before (bug #861025); still regression-testing the archive for buildability [15:21] Launchpad bug 861025 in jackd2 (Ubuntu) "FFe: I don't know jack, need to multiarch jackd2" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/861025 [15:21] spent some time helping with FFe reviews [15:21] (done) [15:21] slangasek: will ubiquity-dm need anything for that text-free shutdown? [15:22] bug 795096 (turbojson ftbfs - python-peak.util update); bug 850744 (quickly crash after upgrade); bug 832782 (python-omniorb ftbfs); bug 835008 (nipype ftbfs); gtimelog 0.7 release (upstream and ubuntu); bug 831344 (cardstories ftbfs); merge python-defaults from debian; python security issue 7732 (imp.find_module crasher); todo: continue on 795096 and 850744, other ftbfs. done. [15:22] Launchpad bug 795096 in turbojson (Ubuntu Oneiric) "FTBFS with Python 2.7 as default" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/795096 [15:22] Launchpad bug 850744 in quickly (Ubuntu) "quickly crashed with ImportError in __main__: No module named quickly" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/850744 [15:22] Launchpad bug 832782 in python-omniorb (Ubuntu Oneiric) "python-omniorb version 3.5-3 failed to build in oneiric" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/832782 [15:22] Launchpad bug 835008 in nipype (Ubuntu Oneiric) "nipype version 0.4.1-1 failed to build in oneiric" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/835008 [15:22] Launchpad bug 831344 in cardstories (Debian) "cardstories version 1.0.6-1 failed to build in oneiric" [Unknown,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/831344 [15:22] some cross-build fixes [15:22] gfxboot-theme-ubuntu: Lubuntu localisation (bug 855977) [15:22] d-i: handle /dev/zram* the same way as /dev/ramzswap*; fix a collection of Xen installation bugs (bug 720558, bug 857548, bug 857662); netcfg hostname fix (bug 856088); installation-guide update; working on bug 851704; fixed up i18n for console-setup harder :-) (bug 860562) [15:22] Launchpad bug 855977 in gfxboot-theme-ubuntu (Ubuntu) "Entries with "Lubuntu" are not translated on the boot menu on any Lubuntu ISO" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/855977 [15:22] grub: fix arcane linking bug (bug 837815) [15:22] ev: the particular problem being fixed was that if there were two DMs installed on a system that had been upgraded (e.g., lightdm+gdm), one of these will stop at *startup*, so plymouth starts as soon as the runlevel event happens. I don't think ubiquity-dm is affected by this [15:23] ubiquity: working on networkless hang on timezone page (bug 837217) - incidentally, by contrast with the mumble discussion, I found the GI Soup interface perfectly reasonable :-) [15:23] Launchpad bug 720558 in grub (Ubuntu Natty) "Ubuntu 10.04 currently requires groot= workaround with pvgrub" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/720558 [15:23] Launchpad bug 857548 in grub-installer (Ubuntu Natty) "no longer possible to select GRUB Legacy by preseeding" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/857548 [15:23] Launchpad bug 857662 in debian-installer (Ubuntu P-series) "Should xenbus_probe_frontend be built-in?" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/857662 [15:23] various UEFI secure boot discussions, spilled over onto ubuntu-users@ and the like [15:23] Launchpad bug 856088 in netcfg (Ubuntu Oneiric) "Expert install defaults to invalid hostname" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/856088 [15:23] ADSL fixed last week; now have twice the bandwidth I had before, which is still not a lot but there you go [15:23] Launchpad bug 851704 in grub2 (Ubuntu Oneiric) "GRUB reports error after successful installation (Alternate)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/851704 [15:23] Launchpad bug 837815 in grub (Ubuntu Oneiric) "Grub 0.97-29ubuntu62 gives error "Error 6: Mismatched or corrupt version of stage1/stage2"" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/837815 [15:23] Launchpad bug 837217 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Oneiric) "Time Zone selector hangs and ubiquity freezes if network connection is firewalled" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/837217 [15:23] a bit generally distracted at the moment due to family medical issues [15:23] .. [15:23] slangasek: cool, just making sure [15:23] ev: but switching to emitting the 'desktop-shutdown' symbol would be nice anyway in the long term, to simplify our job logic [15:23] noted [15:23] slangasek: apt-key - I really much appreciated your help with that one, excellent plan [15:24] mvo_: glad it helped! what's the timeline for getting those changes in, then? Will we have it in oneiric before final release? [15:24] slangasek: I want to get some additional review from #security, but I think that is within the scope [15:25] cjwatson: what's the state of cross-buildability now? how far have we bitrotted? [15:25] I think I've cured the worst of the bitrot, although python2.6 doesn't seem to cross-build for me which is a current impedance to a lot of stuff [15:26] a general upstart point: we should be updating upstart-events(7) when we add new events like desktop-shutdown and recovery. [15:26] wookey and I have some mismatches on what we're trying to make work [15:26] mvo: do you think you could upload that sha512 fix in apt to Debian? if I have that there, I can upload xdeb to Debian and sync [15:27] (modulo FFe) [15:27] hmm, speaking of gfxboot-theme-ubuntu, while debugging my boot flickers over the weekend, I had a poke at putting the plymouth logo on the grub background... I don't suppose anyone's planning for grub2 to grow a '-center' option for the background_image command? :) [15:27] slangasek: what we don't have, and what I think needs to be a priority in P if we're taking this seriously, is a regularly updated dashboard of current failures that *isn't* in the form of a spreadsheet attached to a wiki page [15:27] heh, yes [15:28] cjwatson: I looked at this the other day, its only a bug in experimental currently, unstable is fine === mvo_ is now known as mvo [15:28] jhunt: shall I open a task on upstart for this bug? [15:28] mvo: oh really? ok, excellent [15:28] cjwatson: or will xdeb go to experimental too? [15:28] mvo: no, unstable [15:28] slangasek: center - hm, I think I tried to add -x and -y at one point, I forget what went wrong [15:29] cjwatson: yeah, unstable in debian is a bit behind because of the massive ABI break and the binary NMUs still will requires [15:29] slangasek: cool, thx. [15:29] slangasek: cross-building> so at the moment unfortunately even answering your question is rather arduous. Linaro's work is largely based on natty [15:30] cjwatson: my current method is to use 'convert' to switch the logo from RGBA to RGB and expand it out to the dimensions that I happen to know my display comes up at... not very portable, and imagemagick isn't in the base system :) [15:30] I have 84 cross-built packages in my tree, but of course that's only a small core - I was trying to see if I could get all of Ubuntu Core to work [15:30] slangasek: I don't think putting the plymouth logo on the grub background is in general realistic, which is why I haven't pursued this [15:30] fair enough [15:30] slangasek: it means it is really really obvious when your manufacturer hasn't bothered to put the KMS panel resolution in EDID [15:31] I was spending a lot of time rebooting my old laptop this weekend, so I gave it a go [15:31] at least with a plain filled background, one purple screen looks much like another [15:31] * slangasek nods [15:31] though it would be nice if the logo faded in rather than just being blitted [15:31] bling [15:32] * slangasek grins [15:33] [TOPIC] Bugs === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Bugs [15:33] bdmurray: what's buggy? :) [15:33] (please don't say "everything") [15:33] it's his job to be more selective ;) [15:34] almost everything! [15:34] ;-) [15:34] hahaha [15:34] well done! [15:34] lol [15:34] ship it! [15:34] bug 855042 seems rather important and is still new but has a fair bit of information [15:34] Launchpad bug 855042 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "ubiquity hangs while jockey-text at 100% CPU" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/855042 [15:36] let's have that be Confirmed at least [15:36] I have a horrible feeling that's hw-dependent [15:36] surely that's a jockey bug [15:36] jockey creates its own log file right? would that be worth getting? [15:37] stderr, as far as I'm aware [15:37] but presumably this is reproduceable outside of ubiquity [15:37] apport.hookutils.attach_file_if_exists(report, '/var/log/jockey.log') [15:37] so they could just redirect [15:37] ah [15:37] neato [15:38] based on the syslog, the hardware seems to use intel graphics and most of the rest seems to be intel too [15:38] hmm, why is that asking for confirmation? we don't pass --confirm [15:38] ohhhhh [15:38] afaics confirm_action is only called inside an 'if confirm:' guard [15:38] I thought we fixed this AGES ago? [15:39] oh [15:39] self.set_handler_enable(h_id, 'enable', True) [15:39] in check_composite [15:39] so that always asks for confirmation regardless (third arg = confirm) [15:40] but confirm shouldn't matter? We feed it y\n with LC_ALL set to C [15:40] oh, we do? [15:41] I see no LC_ALL=C in ./scripts/simple-plugins [15:41] ah [15:41] I was foolishly looking in plugininstall.py [15:41] nor any y/n passing [15:42] (and if jockey-text is using stdio there, it'll probably break debconf, too) [15:43] * cjwatson wonders why this is duplicated between plugininstall and simple-plugins [15:44] indeed, an oversight [15:44] oh [15:44] because we need to do the latter in the chroot [15:44] otherwise bad things happen, according to pitti, but I can't recall exactly what [15:44] okay so you two are looking into this now? [15:44] sounds like they have it triaged :) [15:44] other bugs? [15:45] bug 861303 recently reported by scottk [15:45] Launchpad bug 861303 in python-numpy (Ubuntu Oneiric) "import numpy fails badly" [Critical,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/861303 [15:45] (sidebar, scripts/simple-plugins should die in a fire) [15:45] the title is wrong / misleading [15:46] very strange [15:47] anyone have any guesses why python modules would suddenly be unable to resolve symbols in a package build? [15:47] slangasek: which symbols? all of them? :) [15:48] barry: Py_InitModule4 [15:48] slangasek: i was afraid you might say that. now i have to remember which package i fixed something similar in [15:48] barry: cool; will you follow up on the bug? [15:48] slangasek: 861303, right? [15:49] barry: yep [15:49] slangasek: will do [15:50] the other 2 I'm looking at are more long term the traceback in bug 850482 is causing some incorrect duplicate marking [15:50] Launchpad bug 850482 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "update-manager crashed with SystemError in mark_install(): E:Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages." [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/850482 [15:50] I'm wondering if there is a way to make that error more verbose to prevent this incorrect duplicate marking [15:51] I can look into that after the meeting, maybe need to just append the pkgname to the error string [15:51] mvo: okay thanks! [15:52] finally bug 69176 (not a typo) ;-) [15:52] Launchpad bug 69176 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "No notification in Ubiquity for bad sectors" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/69176 [15:52] * slangasek nods [15:52] I recently found a ubiquity bug regarding bad sectors when trying to use ntfsresize [15:53] while there aren't a lot of these it seems like it might be helpful to deal with this situation better [15:53] kinda hard to get bad sector notification into the GUI, because there's no clear back channel for this... anyone have any clever ideas about how to handle that one? [15:53] I have some preliminary work for talking to external fs tools in a smarter way [15:54] this becomes more urgent for parted 3.0 because it drops the buggy and unmaintained filesystem code there [15:54] * doko just came back [15:54] but there's no way it'll be in place for oneiric [15:54] mostly I'm focusing on fixing the lack of decent progress output on many mkfs/resize ops in the installer [15:54] but I think it could probably be used to handle other problems too [15:55] * slangasek waves to doko [15:55] right of course I was thinking of targetting it for P [15:55] yeah; still quite a bit to go but that might be realistic [15:55] cool [15:55] thanks, bdmurray [15:56] [TOPIC] AOB === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: AOB [15:56] anything else before we all turn into pumpkins? [15:56] FWIW the bug list I'm tracking for release meetings is http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/kernel-bugs/reports/rls-mgr-o-tracking-bugs.html [15:56] I have two things. One, lets talk about integration tests at UDS. That is, what would it take to fire off the ubiquity test harness when someone uploads GTK+ (run all the unit tests for any reverse deps for the package being built)? [15:57] And two, http://www.vagrantup.com - VirtualBox + puppet/chef - great for working on things that you at some point want IS to provision, but can't bother waiting on RTs [15:57] slangasek: hopefully not 1487 lb pumpkins [15:57] especially when you're working with others, as you just pass around the config [15:58] ev: integration tests> can you talk to Pete to make sure QA is covering this topic at UDS? [15:59] slangasek: will do [15:59] ev: vagrantup - that only helps when you have the local hardware resources to provision it yourself, I guess? :) [15:59] I've got IS to give me an rsync module on cocoplum accessible from lillypilly so that I can have an all-arches dists/ mirror there [15:59] well, it's a virtual machine [15:59] this will let us have all-arches rmadison and start moving various archive tools off cocoplum when they only need Packages/Sources [16:00] and reduce the ssh-with-restricted-keys madness for a bunch of stsuff [16:00] planning on spending a bit of time doing that after final freeze [16:00] ev: right, but you need to have hardware with enough idle cpu and disk to provision the vms for the jobs you're doing, I guess [16:02] cjwatson: lillypilly> very nice [16:02] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [16:02] Meeting ended Wed Sep 28 16:02:49 2011 UTC. [16:02] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-09-28-15.03.moin.txt [16:02] thanks, everyone! [16:02] thanks! [16:03] thanks [16:03] thanks [16:06] thanks [16:08] slangasek: true [16:08] thanks! [17:00] * Ursinha looks around [17:00] ~ô~ [17:00] :) [17:00] \o/ [17:00] o/ [17:00] howdy [17:01] chair is jibel, right? [17:01] * charlie-tca waves [17:02] Ursinha, right [17:03] pedro_'s joined us. Lets start meeting [17:03] #startmeeting Ubuntu QA Team [17:03] Meeting started Wed Sep 28 17:03:20 2011 UTC. The chair is jibel. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot. [17:03] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | Ubuntu QA Team Meeting | Current topic: [17:03] jibel, useful stuff here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Meetings/Chairing#Handy_commands [17:03] copy, paste and be happy [17:03] :) [17:03] uh just in time ;-) [17:03] #topic Previous Actions === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | Ubuntu QA Team Meeting | Current topic: Previous Actions [17:04] there are 3 actions from previous meeting [17:04] Ursinha to chase checkbox package problem with ara [17:04] I have two of my own [17:05] ^ Ursinha what about checkbox package problem ? [17:05] the checkbox package resolved itself when the dependencies reached the ppa [17:05] so I didn't have to bother ara with that [17:05] great, thanks for that. [17:05] gema to create a starting point (page or something) to discuss and note automation testing for Ubuntu [17:05] gema, any news ? [17:06] I created a wiki and added one item as an example [17:06] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/AutomatedTesting/CommunityFeedback [17:06] yay [17:06] I will be adding more stuff and it would be good to start getting feedback from other people too [17:06] o/ [17:06] this is your chance to complain big time! === yofel_ is now known as yofel [17:07] charlie-tca, we are all ears [17:07] yep [17:07] gema: I reviewed the testing doc, but I think I forgot to send the email [17:07] It looks good to get started [17:08] ok [17:08] any feedback you have send it to me [17:08] .. [17:08] .. [17:08] thanks gema [17:09] Last action from previous week: Ursinha to add irc commands to the next chair [17:09] I did that, it's in the Chairing link [17:09] .. [17:10] Ursinha, cool thanks, will try that at the end of the meeting [17:10] #topic Community Efforts/Testing jibel === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | Ubuntu QA Team Meeting | Current topic: Community Efforts/Testing jibel [17:11] Last week was Oneiric Beta 2 testing [17:11] Testing report: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/ReleaseReports/OneiricBeta2TestReport [17:12] Participation was as high as Beta1 and we wish it will be higher for the final release. [17:12] The list of bugs found during the milestone is at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/report [17:12] List of bugs found during previous milestones: [17:12] http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/kernel-bugs/reports/iso-testing-open-all.html [17:13] Tomorrow is final freeze, you can help with testing daily ISOs and make sure that nothing release critical made its way to the images. [17:13] If you find something then raise a red flag. [17:13] Other topic on community testing: laptop testing [17:13] primes2h sent a call for testing last Friday [17:13] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-qa/2011-September/001689.html [17:13] You can help there too. [17:13] For laptop testing you'll need to run oneiric Beta 2 on your laptop and report results to the tracker. [17:14] that's all from me [17:14] any question/comment/complaints ? [17:15] moving on [17:15] #topic Automated/Systems Testing === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | Ubuntu QA Team Meeting | Current topic: Automated/Systems Testing [17:15] anyone ? [17:15] nothing from me [17:15] .. [17:15] I'm working on the qrt scripts [17:16] making changes where necessary to get them all working on natty, then looking into implementing a system to note different dependencies for different versions, and ensure they work right on the lts versions [17:16] we'll be doing more design on that at a session at uds [17:17] that's all I've got for now [17:17] nice thanks. is there a blueprint registered for UDS so people interested can subscribe ? [17:17] nuclearbob, ^ [17:18] not yet, I'll be working with pgraner on that later [17:18] ok, keep us informed [17:18] will do [17:18] on the automation side, boot speed testing is back [17:19] you see the report at http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/boot-speed/ [17:19] patrickmw, could tell more than me so that's all I can say for today. [17:20] wow that's pretty [17:20] indeed [17:21] it is, thanks to bjf artistic talent [17:21] what‽ an artistic kernel dev [17:22] bdmurray: kernels are pure art... [17:22] #topic Engineering Team Bug Status bdmurray pedro_ Ursinha === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | Ubuntu QA Team Meeting | Current topic: Engineering Team Bug Status bdmurray pedro_ Ursinha [17:22] nothing to report; lots in progress, nothing completed [17:22] .. === med_out is now known as medberry [17:23] uploaded new apport hooks for plymouth and debian-installer [17:23] wrote a few additional html reports of bug tasks [17:23] at http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ [17:24]