[15:00] <mvo_> hello
[15:00] <bdmurray> hi
[15:00] <jhunt> lo
[15:01]  * stgraber waves
[15:01] <cjwatson> afternoon *yawn*
[15:01]  * slangasek waves
[15:01] <slangasek> afternoon... is that why I'm tired
[15:03] <slangasek> #startmeeting
[15:03] <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Sep 28 15:03:05 2011 UTC.  The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.
[15:03] <meetingology> Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired
[15:03] <slangasek> [TOPIC] lightning round
[15:03] <slangasek> $ echo $(shuf -e cjwatson barry doko stgraber jhunt mvo ev bdmurray slangasek)
[15:03] <slangasek> stgraber mvo bdmurray jhunt ev doko slangasek barry cjwatson
[15:03] <slangasek> boom
[15:03] <stgraber> - Got rid of most of friendly-recovery's bugs, the rest will have to wait for P. (bug 524605, bug 782872, bug 852266, bug 777524)
[15:03] <stgraber> - Tracked bug 854967 down to a binary driver problem, hopefully gfxpayload blacklist will be updated to fix it
[15:03] <stgraber> - Starting poking at bug 745960 though couldn't reproduce it yet
[15:03] <stgraber> - Still trying to reproduce our "last" Edubuntu bug: bug 856460 but no luck so far
[15:03] <stgraber> - Worked on a fix for bug 848072
[15:03] <stgraber> - Did some upgrade testing for Edubuntu as we didn't have time to do it for beta2, didn't find any bug there
[15:03] <stgraber> - On the side, did some work on porting the ISO tracker to Drupal 7. Will need some more work but at least for Launchpad integration working and am now a lot more familiar with Drupal 7 API.
[15:04] <stgraber> - TODO
[15:04] <stgraber>  - Will do a bunch of uploads for translations update before final freeze
[15:04] <stgraber>  - Will then continue going through milestoned ubiquity bugs and fix as many of them
[15:04] <stgraber> oh, and did some patch piloting last Thursday
[15:04] <stgraber> (done)
[15:05] <mvo_> did:
[15:05] <mvo_> summary: lots and lots of debugging/fixing
[15:05] <mvo_> python-apt: fix bug #829284 once and for all via new ParentComponent concept in python-apt
[15:05] <mvo_> aptdaemon: debug/fix/upload new version with fix for bug #659111
[15:05] <mvo_> software-center: trying to verify remaining proxy issue, can't reproduce (#545134), port to the new UbuntuSSOClient API, tentative fix for  #857931, integrate lp:~mvo/software-center/review-stats-as-dbm for unity, debug/fix #651568 (turns out to be a bug in sun-java6), prepare debdiff, get in touch with brian
[15:05] <mvo_> piston-mini-client: add proxy support, review branch from achuni, merge, upload new piston-mini-client to oneiric,
[15:05] <mvo_> update-notifier: look at app indicator port for update-notifier (lp:~mvo/update-notifier/app-indicator-port
[15:05] <mvo_> update-manager: look at #854622 again (changelog.Debian.gz no-duplicaton)
[15:05] <mvo_> apt: work on regression test for apt-key net-update, net-update security issue, debug/diagnose/upload fix for #854090
[15:05] <mvo_> misc: patch piloting
[15:05] <mvo_> EOF
[15:05] <mvo_> stgraber: thanks for the friendly-recovery fixes!!!
[15:06] <bdmurray> since I missed last weeks meeting this covers some of that period
[15:06]  * slangasek drowns in stgraber's list of bugs
[15:06] <bdmurray> bug triage of foundations team iso-testing bugs
[15:06] <bdmurray> bug pattern writing for bug 854090 and investigation into it and bug 859976
[15:06] <bdmurray> discovered an issue with bugpatterns not working because OriginalTitle is not known when an apport bug is being reported - it is only defined when downloading  a bug title
[15:06] <bdmurray> fixed all existing patterns and emailed bug control
[15:06] <bdmurray> investigation into ntfs resize errors and ntfs-3g bug reports
[15:06] <bdmurray> plymouth apport package hook modification fixing bug 860371 (gather more log files)
[15:06] <bdmurray> modification of apport package hook for debian-installer to properly collect dm information (LP: #856826)
[15:06] <bdmurray> added active_milestones to distro_series in lpltk
[15:06] <bdmurray> wrote an important milestoned bug tasks report for slangasek and other engineering teams
[15:06] <bdmurray> html report of recently important bug tasks
[15:06] <bdmurray> created an html version of the assigned old in progress bug tasks report                                                                                        created html version of report of team-left-closed bug tasks report
[15:06] <bdmurray> you can find links to all reports at http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/
[15:07] <bdmurray> irc discussion regarding crichton and patch subscription
[15:07] <bdmurray> wrote and sent trip report from OReilly Strata Conference
[15:07] <bdmurray> work on role and responsibilities of the defect analysts
[15:07] <bdmurray> done
[15:07] <jhunt> On holiday last week. Fixed a trying bug in the upstart job logging code
[15:07] <jhunt> which will allow an updated ppa build this week (although still need to
[15:07] <jhunt> finish some tests). Currently working on bugs 849414, 829980 and 849414.
[15:07] <jhunt> ⏎
[15:07] <stgraber> mvo_: no prob, hopefully I can spend some more time on it for 12.04 so we can get a rocking recovery mode for the LTS
[15:07] <slangasek> [LINK] reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/foundations-bugs/foundations-bugs-next-milestone-important-bug-tasks.html - important milestoned bug tasks
[15:08] <jhunt> stgraber: I'm keen to help out with that too.
[15:08] <slangasek> bdmurray: it occurs to me that it would be nice to show the assignee on there too, btw
[15:08] <stgraber> jhunt: cool, definitely worth a session in Orlando then
[15:08] <jhunt> stgraber: agreed!
[15:08] <bdmurray> slangasek: got it
[15:08] <cjwatson> it'd be lovely for all reports.qa pages to show a timestamp of when the report was generated
[15:09] <stgraber> oh, speaking of reports, I now have: http://people.canonical.com/~stgraber/package_sets/ if someone's wondering what's in our package sets (and doesn't want to play with edit_acl.py)
[15:11] <slangasek> bdmurray: ^^ agree with cjwatson; for that matter, embedding a link to the source would be nice
[15:11] <bdmurray> I've todo'ed the timestamp
[15:11] <slangasek> ev:
[15:12] <ev> - Fixed live-build to include universe and friends on Wubi disk images
[15:12] <ev>   (855301).
[15:12] <ev> - Call with Hugh and others on the employee survey.
[15:12] <ev> - Fixed locale issues with Wubi disk images (855295).
[15:12] <ev> - Fixed timezone issues with Wubi disk images (855287).
[15:12] <ev> - Fixed release notes update installer links being displayed when there isn't
[15:12] <ev>   a network connection (856213).
[15:12] <ev> - Fighting Wubi test harness and fixing bug (856340).
[15:12] <ev> - Repaint the wallpaper in ubiquity by entering the GTK main loop (854179).
[15:12] <ev> - Fought ubiquity tests build failures, pygobject 3 to blame (854179).
[15:12] <ev> - Replied to HP regarding customizing the installer.
[15:12] <ev> - Reviewing developer.ubuntu.com at the request of the web team before it went
[15:12] <ev>   live.
[15:12] <ev> - Set ATK names only when using --ldtp in ubiquity (781385).
[15:12] <ev> - UBUNTU IS PEOPLE! (855685).
[15:12] <ev> - Fixed Wubi not using a local ISO (bad refactoring, yay) (842397).
[15:12] <ev> - Fighting with canonical-arm on oem-config-gtk (820514).
[15:12] <ev> - Trying to get to the bottom of the apt lock bug (743395). A few attempts at
[15:12] <ev>   fixing it made.
[15:12] <ev> - Meeting with Iain, Matthew, and John on changes to the downloads page 11.10.
[15:12] <ev> - Evening fun hacking on the metrics collection backend and Wubi frontend
[15:12] <ev>   using nodejs and MongoDB.  Working prototype \o/ and I'll have a Vagrant
[15:12] <ev>   configuration (VirtualBox + puppet/chef: http://vagrantup.com/) in a public
[15:12] <ev>   branch soon, if you want to get your own projects hooked into it.
[15:12] <ev> - Fixed some bugs caught by unit tests.
[15:12] <ev> - Merged and pushed out a new slideshow with updated screenshots for the
[15:12] <ev>   latest desktop changes.
[15:12] <ev> - Reviewing Colin's async geonames branch
[15:12] <ev>   (https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/ubiquity/libsoup-timezone/+merge/77324).
[15:12] <ev> done!
[15:13] <jhunt> that's a lot of fightin' :)
[15:13] <ev> :)
[15:14] <mvo_> yeah, really impressive list!
[15:14] <ev> thanks!
[15:15] <slangasek> ah, soylent ubuntu
[15:15] <slangasek> doko: did you make it back in time?
[15:15] <ev> I'm working on reanimating Heston
[15:16] <slangasek> guess not, so I'll dump doko's status here for him
[15:16] <slangasek> - more ftbfs fixes, although the pace slows down (~30).
[15:16] <slangasek> - sponsoring ftbfs fixes, ftbfs related archive removals
[15:16] <slangasek> - fixed some armel ftbfs (linker related and fpc related)
[15:16] <slangasek> - openjdk-6 JamVM update (please expect an openjdk-7 update still this week)
[15:16] <slangasek> - 853688, no real solution yet. proposed to fix the
[15:16] <slangasek> original issue in command-not-found
[15:16] <slangasek> - bug triage on some issues
[15:16] <slangasek> - scanned the armel ftbfs, no new binutils/gcc related issues found
[15:16] <slangasek> - eglibc update (maybe one more needed: 861132)
[15:16] <slangasek> - addressed (too) late linking changes in the gtk/gnome uploads on #debian-release.
[15:17] <slangasek> bug #853688
[15:17] <slangasek> bug #861132
[15:20] <slangasek> and then me
[15:20] <slangasek> pushed changes to gdm,lightdm,plymouth to give us text-free shutdown again (bug #854329).  If you still see dots over text, report bugs!
[15:20] <slangasek> fixed up i18n for console-setup (bug #838669)
[15:20] <slangasek> did some thinking about apt-key over the weekend, helping to come up with a plan
[15:20] <slangasek> qemu-linaro FFe, fixing FTBFS
[15:20] <slangasek> fixing up flashplugin-nonfree maintainer scripts
[15:20] <slangasek> upload dpkg to catch all the stragglers still missing multiarch on their systems (bug #846451)
[15:21] <slangasek> convert jackd2 to multiarch at the eleventh hour because I converted the wrong libjack before (bug #861025); still regression-testing the archive for buildability
[15:21] <slangasek> spent some time helping with FFe reviews
[15:21] <slangasek> (done)
[15:21] <ev> slangasek: will ubiquity-dm need anything for that text-free shutdown?
[15:22] <barry> bug 795096 (turbojson ftbfs - python-peak.util update); bug 850744 (quickly crash after upgrade); bug 832782 (python-omniorb ftbfs); bug 835008 (nipype ftbfs); gtimelog 0.7 release (upstream and ubuntu); bug 831344 (cardstories ftbfs); merge python-defaults from debian; python security issue 7732 (imp.find_module crasher); todo: continue on 795096 and 850744, other ftbfs. done.
[15:22] <cjwatson> some cross-build fixes
[15:22] <cjwatson> gfxboot-theme-ubuntu: Lubuntu localisation (bug 855977)
[15:22] <cjwatson> d-i: handle /dev/zram* the same way as /dev/ramzswap*; fix a collection of Xen installation bugs (bug 720558, bug 857548, bug 857662); netcfg hostname fix (bug 856088); installation-guide update; working on bug 851704; fixed up i18n for console-setup harder :-) (bug 860562)
[15:22] <cjwatson> grub: fix arcane linking bug (bug 837815)
[15:22] <slangasek> ev: the particular problem being fixed was that if there were two DMs installed on a system that had been upgraded (e.g., lightdm+gdm), one of these will stop at *startup*, so plymouth starts as soon as the runlevel event happens.  I don't think ubiquity-dm is affected by this
[15:23] <cjwatson> ubiquity: working on networkless hang on timezone page (bug 837217) - incidentally, by contrast with the mumble discussion, I found the GI Soup interface perfectly reasonable :-)
[15:23] <cjwatson> various UEFI secure boot discussions, spilled over onto ubuntu-users@ and the like
[15:23] <cjwatson> ADSL fixed last week; now have twice the bandwidth I had before, which is still not a lot but there you go
[15:23] <cjwatson> a bit generally distracted at the moment due to family medical issues
[15:23] <cjwatson> ..
[15:23] <ev> slangasek: cool, just making sure
[15:23] <slangasek> ev: but switching to emitting the 'desktop-shutdown' symbol would be nice anyway in the long term, to simplify our job logic
[15:23] <ev> noted
[15:23] <mvo_> slangasek: apt-key - I really much appreciated your help with that one, excellent plan
[15:24] <slangasek> mvo_: glad it helped!  what's the timeline for getting those changes in, then?  Will we have it in oneiric before final release?
[15:24] <mvo_> slangasek: I want to get some additional review from #security, but I think that is within the scope
[15:25] <slangasek> cjwatson: what's the state of cross-buildability now?  how far have we bitrotted?
[15:25] <cjwatson> I think I've cured the worst of the bitrot, although python2.6 doesn't seem to cross-build for me which is a current impedance to a lot of stuff
[15:26] <jhunt> a general upstart point: we should be updating upstart-events(7) when we add new events like desktop-shutdown and recovery.
[15:26] <cjwatson> wookey and I have some mismatches on what we're trying to make work
[15:26] <cjwatson> mvo: do you think you could upload that sha512 fix in apt to Debian?  if I have that there, I can upload xdeb to Debian and sync
[15:27] <cjwatson> (modulo FFe)
[15:27] <slangasek> hmm, speaking of gfxboot-theme-ubuntu, while debugging my boot flickers over the weekend, I had a poke at putting the plymouth logo on the grub background... I don't suppose anyone's planning for grub2 to grow a '-center' option for the background_image command? :)
[15:27] <cjwatson> slangasek: what we don't have, and what I think needs to be a priority in P if we're taking this seriously, is a regularly updated dashboard of current failures that *isn't* in the form of a spreadsheet attached to a wiki page
[15:27] <slangasek> heh, yes
[15:28] <mvo_> cjwatson: I looked at this the other day, its only a bug in experimental currently, unstable is fine
[15:28] <slangasek> jhunt: shall I open a task on upstart for this bug?
[15:28] <cjwatson> mvo: oh really?  ok, excellent
[15:28] <mvo> cjwatson: or will xdeb go to experimental too?
[15:28] <cjwatson> mvo: no, unstable
[15:28] <cjwatson> slangasek: center - hm, I think I tried to add -x and -y at one point, I forget what went wrong
[15:29] <mvo> cjwatson: yeah, unstable in debian is a bit behind because of the massive ABI break and the binary NMUs still will requires
[15:29] <jhunt> slangasek: cool, thx.
[15:29] <cjwatson> slangasek: cross-building> so at the moment unfortunately even answering your question is rather arduous.  Linaro's work is largely based on natty
[15:30] <slangasek> cjwatson: my current method is to use 'convert' to switch the logo from RGBA to RGB and expand it out to the dimensions that I happen to know my display comes up at... not very portable, and imagemagick isn't in the base system :)
[15:30] <cjwatson> I have 84 cross-built packages in my tree, but of course that's only a small core - I was trying to see if I could get all of Ubuntu Core to work
[15:30] <cjwatson> slangasek: I don't think putting the plymouth logo on the grub background is in general realistic, which is why I haven't pursued this
[15:30] <slangasek> fair enough
[15:30] <cjwatson> slangasek: it means it is really really obvious when your manufacturer hasn't bothered to put the KMS panel resolution in EDID
[15:31] <slangasek> I was spending a lot of time rebooting my old laptop this weekend, so I gave it a go
[15:31] <cjwatson> at least with a plain filled background, one purple screen looks much like another
[15:31]  * slangasek nods
[15:31] <cjwatson> though it would be nice if the logo faded in rather than just being blitted
[15:31] <cjwatson> bling
[15:32]  * slangasek grins
[15:33] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Bugs
[15:33] <slangasek> bdmurray: what's buggy? :)
[15:33] <cjwatson> (please don't say "everything")
[15:33] <slangasek> it's his job to be more selective ;)
[15:34] <bdmurray> almost everything!
[15:34] <bdmurray> ;-)
[15:34] <ev> hahaha
[15:34] <slangasek> well done!
[15:34] <mvo> lol
[15:34] <ev> ship it!
[15:34] <bdmurray> bug 855042 seems rather important and is still new but has a fair bit of information
[15:36] <cjwatson> let's have that be Confirmed at least
[15:36] <cjwatson> I have a horrible feeling that's hw-dependent
[15:36] <ev> surely that's a jockey bug
[15:36] <bdmurray> jockey creates its own log file right? would that be worth getting?
[15:37] <ev> stderr, as far as I'm aware
[15:37] <ev> but presumably this is reproduceable outside of ubiquity
[15:37] <bdmurray> apport.hookutils.attach_file_if_exists(report, '/var/log/jockey.log')
[15:37] <ev> so they could just redirect
[15:37] <ev> ah
[15:37] <ev> neato
[15:38] <stgraber> based on the syslog, the hardware seems to use intel graphics and most of the rest seems to be intel too
[15:38] <cjwatson> hmm, why is that asking for confirmation?  we don't pass --confirm
[15:38] <ev> ohhhhh
[15:38] <cjwatson> afaics confirm_action is only called inside an 'if confirm:' guard
[15:38] <ev> I thought we fixed this AGES ago?
[15:39] <cjwatson> oh
[15:39] <cjwatson>             self.set_handler_enable(h_id, 'enable', True)
[15:39] <cjwatson> in check_composite
[15:39] <cjwatson> so that always asks for confirmation regardless (third arg = confirm)
[15:40] <ev> but confirm shouldn't matter? We feed it y\n with LC_ALL set to C
[15:40] <cjwatson> oh, we do?
[15:41] <cjwatson> I see no LC_ALL=C in ./scripts/simple-plugins
[15:41] <ev> ah
[15:41] <ev> I was foolishly looking in plugininstall.py
[15:41] <cjwatson> nor any y/n passing
[15:42] <cjwatson> (and if jockey-text is using stdio there, it'll probably break debconf, too)
[15:43]  * cjwatson wonders why this is duplicated between plugininstall and simple-plugins
[15:44] <ev> indeed, an oversight
[15:44] <ev> oh
[15:44] <ev> because we need to do the latter in the chroot
[15:44] <ev> otherwise bad things happen, according to pitti, but I can't recall exactly what
[15:44] <bdmurray> okay so you two are looking into this now?
[15:44] <slangasek> sounds like they have it triaged :)
[15:44] <slangasek> other bugs?
[15:45] <bdmurray> bug 861303 recently reported by scottk
[15:45] <ev> (sidebar, scripts/simple-plugins should die in a fire)
[15:45] <bdmurray> the title is wrong / misleading
[15:46] <slangasek> very strange
[15:47] <slangasek> anyone have any guesses why python modules would suddenly be unable to resolve symbols in a package build?
[15:47] <barry> slangasek: which symbols?  all of them? :)
[15:48] <slangasek> barry: Py_InitModule4
[15:48] <barry> slangasek: i was afraid you might say that.  now i have to remember which package i fixed something similar in
[15:48] <slangasek> barry: cool; will you follow up on the bug?
[15:48] <barry> slangasek: 861303, right?
[15:49] <slangasek> barry: yep
[15:49] <barry> slangasek: will do
[15:50] <bdmurray> the other 2 I'm looking at are more long term the traceback in bug 850482 is causing some incorrect duplicate marking
[15:50] <bdmurray> I'm wondering if there is a way to make that error more verbose to prevent this incorrect duplicate marking
[15:51] <mvo> I can look into that after the meeting, maybe need to just append the pkgname to the error string
[15:51] <bdmurray> mvo: okay thanks!
[15:52] <bdmurray> finally bug 69176 (not a typo) ;-)
[15:52]  * slangasek nods
[15:52] <bdmurray> I recently found a ubiquity bug regarding bad sectors when trying to use ntfsresize
[15:53] <bdmurray> while there aren't a lot of these it seems like it might be helpful to deal with this situation better
[15:53] <slangasek> kinda hard to get bad sector notification into the GUI, because there's no clear back channel for this... anyone have any clever ideas about how to handle that one?
[15:53] <cjwatson> I have some preliminary work for talking to external fs tools in a smarter way
[15:54] <cjwatson> this becomes more urgent for parted 3.0 because it drops the buggy and unmaintained filesystem code there
[15:54]  * doko just came back
[15:54] <cjwatson> but there's no way it'll be in place for oneiric
[15:54] <cjwatson> mostly I'm focusing on fixing the lack of decent progress output on many mkfs/resize ops in the installer
[15:54] <cjwatson> but I think it could probably be used to handle other problems too
[15:55]  * slangasek waves to doko
[15:55] <bdmurray> right of course I was thinking of targetting it for P
[15:55] <cjwatson> yeah; still quite a bit to go but that might be realistic
[15:55] <slangasek> cool
[15:55] <slangasek> thanks, bdmurray
[15:56] <slangasek> [TOPIC] AOB
[15:56] <slangasek> anything else before we all turn into pumpkins?
[15:56] <cjwatson> FWIW the bug list I'm tracking for release meetings is http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/kernel-bugs/reports/rls-mgr-o-tracking-bugs.html
[15:56] <ev> I have two things. One, lets talk about integration tests at UDS.  That is, what would it take to fire off the ubiquity test harness when someone uploads GTK+ (run all the unit tests for any reverse deps for the package being built)?
[15:57] <ev> And two, http://www.vagrantup.com - VirtualBox + puppet/chef - great for working on things that you at some point want IS to provision, but can't bother waiting on RTs
[15:57] <barry> slangasek: hopefully not 1487 lb pumpkins
[15:57] <ev> especially when you're working with others, as you just pass around the config
[15:58] <slangasek> ev: integration tests> can you talk to Pete to make sure QA is covering this topic at UDS?
[15:59] <ev> slangasek: will do
[15:59] <slangasek> ev: vagrantup - that only helps when you have the local hardware resources to provision it yourself, I guess? :)
[15:59] <cjwatson> I've got IS to give me an rsync module on cocoplum accessible from lillypilly so that I can have an all-arches dists/ mirror there
[15:59] <ev> well, it's a virtual machine
[15:59] <cjwatson> this will let us have all-arches rmadison and start moving various archive tools off cocoplum when they only need Packages/Sources
[16:00] <cjwatson> and reduce the ssh-with-restricted-keys madness for a bunch of stsuff
[16:00] <cjwatson> planning on spending a bit of time doing that after final freeze
[16:00] <slangasek> ev: right, but you need to have hardware with enough idle cpu and disk to provision the vms for the jobs you're doing, I guess
[16:02] <slangasek> cjwatson: lillypilly> very nice
[16:02] <slangasek> #endmeeting
[16:02] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Sep 28 16:02:49 2011 UTC.
[16:02] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-09-28-15.03.moin.txt
[16:02] <slangasek> thanks, everyone!
[16:02] <barry> thanks!
[16:03] <mvo> thanks
[16:03] <stgraber> thanks
[16:06] <jhunt> thanks
[16:08] <ev> slangasek: true
[16:08] <ev> thanks!
[17:00]  * Ursinha looks around
[17:00] <jibel> ~ô~
[17:00] <Ursinha> :)
[17:00] <bdmurray> \o/
[17:00] <gema> o/
[17:00] <nuclearbob> howdy
[17:01] <Ursinha> chair is jibel, right?
[17:01]  * charlie-tca waves
[17:02] <jibel> Ursinha, right
[17:03] <jibel> pedro_'s joined us. Lets start meeting
[17:03] <jibel> #startmeeting Ubuntu QA Team
[17:03] <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Sep 28 17:03:20 2011 UTC.  The chair is jibel. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.
[17:03] <meetingology> Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired
[17:03] <Ursinha> jibel, useful stuff here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Meetings/Chairing#Handy_commands
[17:03] <Ursinha> copy, paste and be happy
[17:03] <Ursinha> :)
[17:03] <pedro_> uh just in time ;-)
[17:03] <jibel> #topic Previous Actions
[17:04] <jibel> there are 3 actions from previous meeting
[17:04] <jibel> Ursinha to chase checkbox package problem with ara
[17:04] <Ursinha> I have two of my own
[17:05] <jibel> ^ Ursinha what about checkbox package problem ?
[17:05] <Ursinha> the checkbox package resolved itself when the dependencies reached the ppa
[17:05] <Ursinha> so I didn't have to bother ara with that
[17:05] <jibel> great, thanks for that.
[17:05] <jibel> gema to create a starting point (page or something) to discuss and note automation testing for Ubuntu
[17:05] <jibel> gema, any news ?
[17:06] <gema> I created a wiki and added one item as an example
[17:06] <gema> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/AutomatedTesting/CommunityFeedback
[17:06] <Ursinha> yay
[17:06] <gema> I will be adding more stuff and it would be good to start getting feedback from other people too
[17:06] <charlie-tca> o/
[17:06] <gema> this is your chance to complain big time!
[17:07] <jibel> charlie-tca, we are all ears
[17:07] <gema> yep
[17:07] <charlie-tca> gema: I reviewed the testing doc, but I think I forgot to send the email
[17:07] <charlie-tca> It looks good to get started
[17:08] <gema> ok
[17:08] <gema> any feedback you have send it to me
[17:08] <charlie-tca> ..
[17:08] <gema> ..
[17:08] <jibel> thanks gema
[17:09] <jibel> Last action from previous week: Ursinha to add irc commands to the next chair
[17:09] <Ursinha> I did that, it's in the Chairing link
[17:09] <Ursinha> ..
[17:10] <jibel> Ursinha, cool thanks, will try that at the end of the meeting
[17:10] <jibel> #topic Community Efforts/Testing  jibel
[17:11] <jibel> Last week was Oneiric Beta 2 testing
[17:11] <jibel> Testing report: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/ReleaseReports/OneiricBeta2TestReport
[17:12] <jibel> Participation was as high as Beta1 and we wish it will be higher for the final release.
[17:12] <jibel> The list of bugs found during the milestone is at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/report
[17:12] <jibel> List of bugs found during previous milestones:
[17:12] <jibel> http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/kernel-bugs/reports/iso-testing-open-all.html
[17:13] <jibel> Tomorrow is final freeze, you can help with testing daily ISOs and make sure that nothing release critical made its way to the images.
[17:13] <jibel> If you find something then raise a red flag.
[17:13] <jibel> Other topic on community testing: laptop testing
[17:13] <jibel> primes2h sent a call for testing last Friday
[17:13] <jibel> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-qa/2011-September/001689.html
[17:13] <jibel> You can help there too.
[17:13] <jibel> For laptop testing you'll need to run oneiric Beta 2 on your laptop and report results to the tracker.
[17:14] <jibel> that's all from me
[17:14] <jibel> any question/comment/complaints ?
[17:15] <jibel> moving on
[17:15] <jibel> #topic Automated/Systems Testing
[17:15] <jibel> anyone ?
[17:15] <gema> nothing from me
[17:15] <gema> ..
[17:15] <nuclearbob> I'm working on the qrt scripts
[17:16] <nuclearbob> making changes where necessary to get them all working on natty, then looking into implementing a system to note different dependencies for different versions, and ensure they work right on the lts versions
[17:16] <nuclearbob> we'll be doing more design on that at a session at uds
[17:17] <nuclearbob> that's all I've got for now
[17:17] <jibel> nice thanks. is there a blueprint registered for UDS so people interested can subscribe ?
[17:17] <jibel> nuclearbob, ^
[17:18] <nuclearbob> not yet, I'll be working with pgraner on that later
[17:18] <jibel> ok, keep us informed
[17:18] <nuclearbob> will do
[17:18] <jibel> on the automation side, boot speed testing is back
[17:19] <jibel> you see the report at http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/boot-speed/
[17:19] <jibel> patrickmw, could tell more than me so that's all I can say for today.
[17:20] <bdmurray> wow that's pretty
[17:20] <Ursinha> indeed
[17:21] <jibel> it is, thanks to bjf artistic talent
[17:21] <bdmurray> what‽ an artistic kernel dev
[17:22] <gema> bdmurray: kernels are pure art...
[17:22] <jibel> #topic Engineering Team Bug Status bdmurray pedro_ Ursinha
[17:22] <Ursinha> nothing to report; lots in progress, nothing completed
[17:22] <Ursinha> ..
[17:23] <bdmurray> uploaded new apport hooks for plymouth and debian-installer
[17:23] <bdmurray> wrote a few additional html reports of bug tasks
[17:23] <bdmurray> at http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/
[17:24] <Ursinha> \o/
[17:24] <bdmurray> went to O'Reilly Strata conference regarding BIG data
[17:24] <bdmurray> lots of interesting stuff regarding data visualization etc...
[17:24] <bdmurray> discovered an issue with bugpatterns not working because OriginalTitle is not known when an apport bug is being reported - it is only defined when downloading  a bug title
[17:24] <bdmurray> fixed all existing patterns and emailed bug control
[17:25] <bdmurray> that's all
[17:25] <pedro_> so besides normal bug triage, I've wrote a few bug patterns for different packages (can't remember the list so better check the changelog)
[17:26] <pedro_> and i've also looking at old bugs with a fixed upstream task so start closing those in our side (Ubuntu)
[17:26] <pedro_> seems we have almost a ~1000 of those right now
[17:26] <pedro_> only on the desktop set...
[17:26] <Ursinha> how many did you clean?
[17:27] <Ursinha> up
[17:27] <bdmurray> pedro_: I wonder if there is some way to automate that
[17:27] <pedro_> Ursinha, I'm manually checking those right now, so is not  a fast process
[17:27] <Ursinha> I believe we can automate that, yes
[17:28] <Ursinha> pedro_, want to discuss that outside the meeting, right after that?
[17:28] <bdmurray> yes please
[17:28] <Ursinha> awesome
[17:28] <pedro_> bdmurray, right , an automated process would be cool, and it would also work for other packages with upstream project
[17:28] <Ursinha> :)
[17:28] <pedro_> yeah lets discuss that later
[17:28] <pedro_> so nothing else from me
[17:28] <pedro_> ..
[17:29] <jibel> any question ?
[17:30] <jibel> #topic Other topics
[17:30] <jibel> anyone ?
[17:34] <gema> ..
[17:34] <jibel> [TOPIC] Chair Selection - $ shuf -e  pedro_ Ursinha bdmurray nuclearbob gema charlie-tca  | head -1
[17:34] <jibel> and ? where is the magic ?
[17:35] <charlie-tca> At least it tells you something now?
[17:35] <jibel> nuclearbob
[17:35] <nuclearbob> all right
[17:35] <Ursinha> jibel, ah, I recall you giving me the mission of implementing this as a bot command
[17:36] <jibel> Ursinha, no problem, I think there are more useful things to do at this stage of the release
[17:37] <charlie-tca> +1
[17:37] <jibel> #action nuclearbob to chair next meeting
[17:37] <meetingology> ACTION: nuclearbob to chair next meeting
[17:37] <jibel> 3
[17:37] <jibel> 2
[17:37] <jibel> 1
[17:38] <jibel> thank you all for attending
[17:38] <jibel> #endmeeting
[17:38] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Sep 28 17:38:21 2011 UTC.
[17:38] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-09-28-17.03.moin.txt
[17:38] <charlie-tca> jibel: thank you for chairing.
[17:38] <pedro_> jibel, thanks!
[17:38] <charlie-tca> Ursinha: thank you for updating the wiki on chairing
[17:38] <Ursinha> charlie-tca, no problem!
[17:38] <Ursinha> thanks for chairing jibel