/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/09/28/#ubuntu-uk.txt

hamitronhow does 10.04 run with 1Gb RAM?01:10
ali1234poorly01:20
hamitronreckon just X and firefox will run ok?01:31
hamitronno Gnome and stuff01:31
ali1234X will run in 32mb01:35
ali1234i recommend you use 32 bit and compile a kernel with highmem disabled01:35
hamitronbut how much does firefox really need?01:35
ali1234firefox will adapt it's memory use to slightly more memory than you have01:36
hamitronhaha01:36
hamitrongreat01:36
hamitron:)01:36
ali1234i stopped noticing memory issues after i upgraded from 4gb to 16gb01:37
hamitronthis is only for testing anyway01:38
ali1234firefox actually has a piece of code in it that looks like "switch(system_memory) case 128: use x amount for cache; case 256: use y amount;01:38
hamitronit will be moved to a system with 16Gb later this year01:39
ali1234luckily they didn't expect anyone to have 16gb, it stops are 4gb i think01:39
hamitronhha01:39
hamitron"until next time" ;/01:39
ali1234yeah01:39
ali1234kde has a nice crash dumper01:39
ali1234it installs debug packages for you01:40
ali1234with apport it won't do it unless you run some obscure command line01:40
ali1234of course i'd rather not see it at all01:40
ali1234i wonder if this thing is going to send the report to launchpad or to kde01:41
hamitronhmmm01:44
hamitronmay try editing browser.cache.disk.capacity too01:44
hamitronty for your input ali123402:11
hamitronlaters o/02:11
ali1234wow kde just gets sillier02:11
ali1234now you can move any window to a tab in any other window02:11
hamitron:|02:12
ali1234so you can move control panel into a tab in your konsole window02:12
ali1234of course you can only open ONE control panel so if you actually do this, you'll just lose it forever02:12
ali1234completely stupid feature02:12
hamitrondoesn't firefox do that?02:12
ali1234firefox?02:12
ali1234no02:12
ali1234you can't put gnome control panel in a firefox tab02:12
hamitronoh no02:13
hamitrontrue02:13
hamitron:)02:13
hamitronbut can move tabs around groups02:13
ali1234yes, firefox tabs02:13
ali1234in kde, every single application is tabbed, and you can move any application into a tab in any other applications window02:14
hamitronI guess KDE has always been there to "do everything"02:14
hamitron;)02:14
ali1234the thing is kde does not do everything02:14
ali1234it does a lot of pointless stuff like thi02:14
ali1234but it doesn't do everything02:14
hamitronit sure feels like it, when looking through everything to find 1 thing02:15
hamitron:D02:15
hamitronbut yeh02:16
hamitronlaters o/02:16
ali1234http://imagebin.org/17651704:14
ali1234not bad04:14
ali1234it's a shame that plasma widgets don't fit in with the rest of the system04:15
ali1234and that they are all so buggy04:15
ubuntuuk-planet[Jono Bacon] Video On Dealing With Burnout - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/09/28/video-on-dealing-with-burnout/06:14
AlanBellgood morning, cheer up with a coffee \o/ http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-1505926606:55
MooDooyay06:56
AlanBellif you are an american female nurse /o\06:56
* AlanBell encounters rule 34 when searching for ocelot pictures07:03
daubersMorning07:21
MooDoomorning matey07:21
diploMorning all07:38
hoovergood morning all08:01
Hippychickmorning08:02
hooveris there a way to configure vsftpd to produce a short listing by default?08:02
hooverapparently there's an inbuilt ls command08:02
MartijnVdShaha ftp :P08:02
hooverdon't laugh... ancient system.08:02
hoover8-P08:03
czajkowskialoha08:09
MooDoomorning czajkowski08:10
czajkowskiMooDoo: so hows the new edition08:10
MooDooczajkowski: still on oz time at the moment :)08:10
TheOpenSourcererOoh - what did you get MooDoo ?08:11
dogmatic69o/08:12
czajkowskiTheOpenSourcerer: he had a baby08:12
czajkowskiwhere have you been08:12
MooDooTheOpenSourcerer: girl :)08:12
TheOpenSourcererczajkowski: I know that!08:12
TheOpenSourcererDuh08:12
TheOpenSourcererMooDoo: Congrats.08:12
TheOpenSourcererName?08:12
MooDooRosie Victoria08:13
TheOpenSourcererAhh :-)08:13
TheOpenSourcererIRC Handle yet?08:13
TheOpenSourcererMiniMooDoo08:13
MooDoolol08:13
TheOpenSourcererCuteMooDoo08:13
TheOpenSourcererParenthood is [ahem] interesting.08:14
MooDooyeah very :) #1 son is 3 now08:14
TheOpenSourcererAh OK you are expererienced08:15
Hippychickhmm, loads of people i know are having babies08:15
* Hippychick gets broody08:15
TheOpenSourcererMine are 7 & 11 now.08:15
MartijnVdS7/1108:15
MartijnVdSTheOpenSourcerer: Have you taken them to a 7-eleven? :)08:15
dogmatic69lol08:16
dogmatic69MartijnVdS: got that vinyl cutting working, ditched tux plot and added some plot extension to inkscape, works way better. thanks for the help last night08:17
TheOpenSourcerer11 yr old behaves like Kevin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLuEY6jN6gY08:17
MartijnVdSdogmatic69: cool08:17
dogmatic69MartijnVdS: http://i.imgur.com/zbWPq.jpg08:18
MartijnVdSdogmatic69: already pirating trademarked logos I see :P08:18
dogmatic69well im making a sbk clone :D08:18
dogmatic69bike will look like this shortly http://s2.visordown.com/uploads/images/large/25351.jpg08:19
dogmatic69they should be paying me for advertising ;)08:19
MartijnVdSaww, with training wheels :P08:19
dogmatic69lol08:20
bigcalmGood morning peeps :)08:20
dogmatic69o/ bigcalm08:20
MartijnVdS\o bc08:20
Myrtti*sigh*08:21
Myrttihello08:21
bigcalmI'm not actually as awake as my greeting would suggest08:22
* bigcalm hugs Myrtti08:22
TheOpenSourcererhello Myrtti - looks like you need coffee ;-) http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-1505926608:22
MyrttiI'd rather have tea atm, but there isn't proper tea anywhere in sight08:22
MartijnVdS"Proper tea management", sounds like an awesome job08:23
Myrttispending money on things I have no personal use of in this life is depressing08:23
dogmatic69Myrtti: what is your idea of 'proper tea'08:23
bigcalmMartijnVdS: :D08:23
bigcalmdogmatic69: not decaf08:23
Myrttithere is no decaf tea in Finland08:24
dogmatic69ah, what is the point of decaf...08:24
* TheOpenSourcerer hates tea.08:24
Myrttiapart from tisanes08:24
* MartijnVdS has some fresh Darjeeling08:24
dogmatic69TheOpenSourcerer: what you doing in ubuntu-*uk* then :)08:24
TheOpenSourcererI live on coffee.#08:24
bigcalmYou've all put me in the mood for some lapsang souchong. Back in a bit :)08:24
TheOpenSourcerermoar coffee.08:25
MyrttiEarl Gray is nice and some fruity teas too, but when I wan't proper tea, I mean proper English proper plain tea. Which doesn't include Earl Gray, tisanes, fruity teas, decaf, rooibos, and especially and specifically NOT Lipton Yellow Label08:25
MartijnVdSMyrtti: with milk?08:25
MyrttiMartijnVdS: of course.08:25
MartijnVdSMyrtti: Well, I've seen holy wars about that..08:26
dogmatic69been reading some not so good things about 11.10 and 3.0 kernel. apparently battery life is not important :/08:27
dogmatic69anyone tried it out on a laptop?08:27
bigcalmWhen visiting France, we always take a box of Yorkshire Hard Water tea bags with us08:28
BigRedSit doesn't seem markedly worse than 2.6.38 to me on mine08:28
* AlanBell has coffee08:29
Myrttibigcalm: I should have brought Yorkshire soft with me, in UK it's the hard we use08:29
czajkowskiMORNING LOVELY PEOPLE08:30
BigRedSargh. she's typing in SQL again08:30
MooDooczajkowski: wow your happy today08:30
* Myrtti goes to make some damned coffee08:31
bigcalmMyrtti: hard water in Shropshire and most places we visit in France. Good to have both just in case though :)08:31
czajkowskiMooDoo: I am you know08:31
czajkowskitoday is a great day08:31
bigcalm\o/08:31
MooDooczajkowski: you rock!08:31
czajkowskiI do08:32
czajkowskiI have to admit08:32
bigcalmHeh08:32
czajkowskibut so do you all08:32
czajkowski#08:32
bigcalmOh my08:32
AlanBellczajkowski: your briliance is only exceeded by your modesty08:32
MooDooif i had a rose, i'd give it to czajkowski , one form of beauty to another :D08:33
bigcalmBucket!08:33
bigcalmI need a bucket!08:33
AlanBellczajkowski: refuse the rose, until it is out of nappies08:33
MooDoohehe we're currently in the "oooo it's rosie and jim" phase with people at the moment, although my son is called Jimmy08:34
Myrttibigcalm: Cambridgeshire08:34
bigcalm:D08:35
gordrosie and jim were *terrifying*08:36
czajkowskiwhats rosie and jim08:36
scoundrel50aI come across something in 11.10 called Personal File Sharing, I open it up and it says it shares file over the network, but underneath it says 'This feature cannot be enabled because the required packaged are not installed on your system' but it does tell you what packages need to install anyb ody know?08:37
AlanBellall together now!08:37
gordczajkowski, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwYP6eesX9E08:37
gordlet their cold dead eyes infest your mind08:38
MooDoo:)08:38
AlanBellczajkowski: they are like Tilly Tom and Tiny from tots TV08:39
* AlanBell suspects that won't help much08:39
scoundrel50asorry lost connection and didnt realise, does anybody have any ideas?08:40
daubersscoundrel50a: I think that uses webdav, but don't quote me on that08:42
scoundrel50aoh, I have no clue about that, ok thank you, will leave that I think08:42
scoundrel50a11.10 is getting better, not so buggy,08:43
scoundrel50aonly thing is, in system setting system info, it tells you there under  graphics that Experience says fallback, how do i get around that, it should allow as updates are occuring to change that, my chip should be able to cope with it08:44
AlanBellscoundrel50a: normally there is a button to install them, it is samba stuff I think08:45
scoundrel50ano button08:45
daubersAlanBell: That's something else :)08:46
daubersAlanBell: You're thinking of when you right click on a folder and goto "sharing options"08:46
AlanBellyeah, I was08:47
daubersIf you do that, that will use samba and offer to install the relevant packages08:47
scoundrel50ayeh, I have been doing that, with my files to chare08:47
scoundrel50abut this something else08:47
scoundrel50ajpw can I take a picture and add it here08:47
AlanBellplease do, it sounds interesting08:47
scoundrel50ahow08:47
scoundrel50ado I add the picture here08:47
bigcalmMyrtti: yay :)08:48
daubers!pastebin08:48
lubotu3For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.08:48
bigcalmscoundrel50a: a link to the image is fine in here08:48
bigcalmscoundrel50a: for multi-line, use a paste bin :)08:48
scoundrel50ais there an image storage thing I can use, to create a link08:48
oimonimgur.com or publish a picture via ubuntu one08:49
scoundrel50aah, thank you08:49
Myrttibigcalm: ♥08:49
scoundrel50aam taking pic now will get the link up in a couple of secs when I can08:49
bigcalmMyrtti: congrats to you both :)08:50
Myrttiand now, with this positive attitude, I think I'm ready to spend money on a headstone.08:51
MyrttiI've been putting it off for a week.08:51
scoundrel50ahttp://imgur.com/gfetB08:52
bigcalmscoundrel50a: looks like you should file a bug :)08:54
scoundrel50aok, will do08:55
scoundrel50awhat about the other problem with system info and my graphics, where it says the Experience is on Fallback, how do I change that08:56
bigcalmWhat's your graphics card?08:57
bigcalmIf it's ATI or nVidia, then you can install a 3rd party driver and get wizz bang effects :)08:57
scoundrel50aI got my laptop from linux emporium with 11.04 and 11.10 oreinstalled, no windows, the card is Mobile Intel® GM45 Express Chipset x86/MMX/SSE208:58
bigcalmRight, that's passed my limit of knowledge :)08:58
scoundrel50aso you dont know that graphics card?08:58
scoundrel50awould you know how to get out of it being in fallback?09:00
Myrtti*sigh*09:01
bigcalmI know about Intel, but I don't know anything more about graphics I'm afraid. I tend to use non-wizzy-bang desktops09:01
Myrttithat was probably the most painful bill I've ever paid09:01
bigcalmMyrtti: well done for doing it though09:01
bigcalmMyrtti: now you can order some tea from the interwebs09:02
MyrttiI wouldn't mind if I hadn't been saving the money for four years to pay driving school09:02
Myrttioh well.09:02
bigcalmWas there no money left to cater for such things?09:02
scoundrel50ahttp://imgur.com/jEsMD09:03
scoundrel50aok, thanks anyway09:03
Myrttino cash, only assets that we either don't want to or can't easily turn into money09:03
bigcalmAh09:03
JamesTaitGood morning all!09:06
HippyChickhmm, google has detected some unusual traffic from my computer....09:11
gordi get that every time i use the search function in the online gtk documentation09:12
oimoncan any parents suggest a good device to stop children opening some sliding wardrobe doors?09:24
HippyChickoimon, what about somthing you normally put on a reptile cage to stop them from opening doors?09:25
HippyChicknot sure if you can get them for wardrobes though...09:25
bigcalmPlace a latch high enough out of reach09:25
drussellbear trap infront of the doors?09:26
oimonthere's no handles on the doors. they are big floor to ceiling doors on runners09:26
oimonthis is the only thing i've seen so far09:26
oimonhttp://www.amazon.co.uk/BabyDan-Sliding-Door-Clip-LARGE/dp/B001DSUVIO09:26
oimonbut would prefer something you can clip onto the runners09:26
bigcalmoimon: http://static.topclasscarpentry.com/images/thumbnails/category/gold-cabin-hook_300.jpg09:27
bigcalmScrew it into the doors09:27
oimonglass doors09:27
oimonsomething like this but nicer http://www.yourstyledoors.co.uk/siteimages/10/1/9/101934/531063.jpg09:29
daubershttp://www.imgftw.net/img//504283520.jpg <- Looks like fun09:29
bigcalmdaubers: let us know how you get on09:30
daubersbigcalm: Unfortunatley my passport is not currently accessible for the last part of the form :(09:31
oimonyou need a passport?09:32
daubersSome form of government based ID09:32
* oimon doesn't have a passport09:32
HippyChickhmm, tempted to do that when i get home, need to dig out my passport  anyway09:33
Davieydaubers: surely you can expect to pay £10?09:33
daubersDaviey: Thought that was for FOI requests09:34
daubers(didn't think this was FoI)09:34
DavieyNah09:35
DavieyI assume it's a Subject Access Request09:36
daubersDaviey: TBH it'd be worth it for this part of the info "knowledge of the logic involved in any automatic processing of data concerning him at least in the case of the automated decisions referred to in Article 15(1);"09:37
daubershttp://www.dataprotection.ie/viewdoc.asp?DocID=9309:37
gordwho are you really annoying with that though? "facebook" or the poor people that have to sit and do it09:37
Davieydaubers: .ie ?09:37
daubersDaviey: They're part of the EU too.....09:39
Davieydaubers: Hmm, rather than £10 is claims it requires a pot of gold?09:40
daubersDaviey: To the end of the rainbow!!09:40
popeyMorning all09:41
MooDoomoring popey09:41
dauberso/09:41
danfishmorning09:42
selinuxiumMooDoo, Why are you tying popey up to the waters edge?09:42
danfishoimon: these are good general purpoise locks http://www.amazon.co.uk/BabyDan-8247-98-75-Child-Safety-Multi-Lock/dp/B000MLMGE0/ref=sr_1_5?s=baby&ie=UTF8&qid=1317202874&sr=1-509:42
selinuxiumMorning popey09:42
MooDooselinuxium: badum tish....lol09:42
bigcalmHi popey, and what time do you call this?09:43
selinuxiumMooDoo, :) I have to get my humour started.. need more coffee... :)09:43
selinuxiumAlanBell, hey there09:43
HippyChickgood morning popey, selinuxium09:44
selinuxiumHey  HippyChick, long time no see. :) You good?09:44
AlanBello/ selinuxium09:45
HippyChickyeah, on a train to selby at the moment09:45
brobostigongood morning everyone.09:45
selinuxiumWho is going to the release party then?09:45
selinuxiumHippyChick, I suppose someone has to... :)09:46
HippyChickyeah, i lost the argument, quite literally09:46
HippyChickdoesnt look like i can go to the release party either :( about time i get home and get a train to london it will be time to go home again09:48
selinuxiumHippyChick, I think there is a Leeds party, might be easier to get to?09:48
HippyChickif its tonight then yeah, im going back home tonight though, which is maidstone09:49
danfishA quick question if I may and apologies if the answer is obvious, but a project that claims to be open source but doesn't state what licence and offers no download links on it's website isn't really open source, is it?09:50
danfishhttp://openeyes.org.uk <-- this one09:51
gordcan you get a copy of the source code?09:51
shaunoyou don't need to have download links to be open source.  you just have to make the source available to people who receive the binaries from you09:52
danfishgord: by looking through one the pdf's under documentation I found on one page a git repo, but still no licence09:52
gordshauno, actually no thats gpl09:53
danfishhttps://github.com/openeyes/OpenEyes.git09:53
hooverany vsftpd experts availabler?09:54
gord"open source" really just means that the source code is open, its viewable09:54
hooverabler... hehe09:54
hoover;-)09:54
davmor2morning all09:54
daubersNice09:54
* davmor2 runs up and hugs czajkowski 09:54
dauberssat listening to spotify and my laptop suspends09:54
* davmor2 slap MooDoo a high five09:55
davmor2daubers: running oneiric?09:55
daubersdavmor2: Yup09:55
gordi'v found that the gnome power control thingy doesn't listen to a word i say recently09:55
davmor2daubers: yeap gnome's new aggressive suspend system09:55
davmor2gord: agreed09:56
* daubers sets it to _not_ suspend when on mains09:57
kirrusDoes anyone know of a good book to learn PHP5/MySQL for web-coding? Preferably one that won't cost a bomb? :)09:58
MooDoositepoint ones are ok09:59
MooDoonot sure about cost as i got given them09:59
bigcalmkirrus: o'rly do good books on the subject09:59
bigcalmWordPress debugging can be a chore. A server has been upgraded from php 5.2 to 5.3. This has broken a theme or plugin for one WordPress site on the server (others work). Buggered if I can get it to tell me what's broken10:05
davmor2kirrus: there was a very good html/php/db book that was on planet ubuntu a why ago I'll see if I can track it down for you10:06
kirrusCool! :) I learnt using Larry Ullman's books, but he's got a weird mix of techs in his versions (php5/mysql4, php6/mysql5), and I don't want to subject my friend to that :)10:07
kirrusbigcalm: turn on debug mode, in wordpress?10:08
bigcalmkirrus: yep, didn't help :)10:08
bigcalmI think I've tracked down the plugin at fault10:09
selinuxiumbigcalm, I am putting together my first wordpress site..10:12
bigcalmselinuxium: creating a theme from scratch?10:12
selinuxiumbigcalm, nah I have one from Graph Paper Press.10:13
selinuxiumbigcalm, this one http://demo.graphpaperpress.com/widescreen/10:16
bigcalmAlanBell: the venue I suggested for the ubuntu happy hour has closed10:17
bigcalmWhich also means that the Shopshire LUG have to find somewhere else to meet10:18
TheOpenSourcererselinuxium: You should use mine ;-) http://wordpress.org/extend/themes/open-sourcerer10:25
TheOpenSourcererI must do a new one when I get a mo...10:26
=== frz is now known as fr-z
daubersQuestion: Does whoever is operating pad.ubuntu-uk.org mind if I use it for non ubuntu-uk related stuffs? (i.e. organising with reading hackspace)10:52
popeydaubers: that would be daviey10:53
popeydaubers: you should install etherpad lite, it's super awesome10:53
popeyit does struggle sometimes10:53
daubersis it? Has it been ported to 10.04?10:54
diplohttp://mclear.co.uk/2011/08/01/install-etherpad-lite-on-ubuntu/10:55
diploI've always used this guys instructions, seems to work well10:56
daubersNot sure my VPS would cope particularly well with all the other stuff it does too10:57
* daubers ponders cloudy stuffs10:57
oimonetherpad seems handy10:58
directhexetherpad lite is featureless10:59
directhexregular etherpad is INSANE and runs three copies of OOo in the background10:59
AlanBellor none, if you don't let it11:00
AlanBellstill insane though11:00
directhexEnterprise(tm) Java11:00
oimoninsane good or insane bad?11:00
AlanBelloimon: java11:00
directhexoimon, see above11:00
directhexoimon, the system requirements cite a gig of ram11:01
* AlanBell gets back to poking at Alfresco11:01
AlanBellsome muppet installed Alfresco, on Windows, with MSSQL11:01
oimonah.. "Etherpad Lite is an almost complete rewrite of the original Etherpad software, based on different technical foundations and written by different authors. While the original EtherPad is written in Scala and has quite bigsystem requirements, Etherpad Lite is written in server-side JavaScript using node.js."11:03
daubersDaviey: ping11:03
popeydaubers: etherpad lite is very lite11:04
oimonis the pad.ubuntu-uk.org an etherpad or etherpad lite?11:04
popeyi ran it on my microserver11:04
popeyetherpad11:04
AlanBellas is pad.ubuntu.com11:04
* oimon has resources to burn11:04
AlanBellbut that has been interfered with11:05
oimoni need to investigate plan B when my new overlords enforce sharepoint11:05
dauberspopey: Will be more of a "Can I use it for such as an interim arrangement until I get back of hols in a few weeks and have time to sort something else" :)11:05
popeywell...11:07
popey11:18:18 < pitti> moved our etherpad to pad.ubuntu.com, which is hopefully  more stable11:07
dauberspopey: Which channel was that?11:08
* AlanBell gets a parcel from Hong Kong11:08
popey#ubuntu-release11:10
daubersok11:10
oimonso if i have spare resources, is etherpad fat preferred over lite?11:11
popeydepends what you want to do with i11:12
popey*it11:12
popeyif you just want it as a place to edit docus together and then copy/paste out to a real doc then either11:13
dogmatic69hey popey o/11:13
popeylo11:14
* dogmatic69 got the vinyl cutter working on ubuntu :)11:14
popeyyay11:14
dogmatic69had some help from MartijnVdS, but after ubuntu was detecting it and i ditched tuxplot it pretty much works out the box11:15
sagaciAlanBell, so is pad.ubuntu.com available for general team usage or only via a UDS session?11:21
=== kris_ is now known as Guest85748
Laneyw11:34
jpdsOK.11:36
AlanBellsagaci: as long as you don't get in the way of the UDS pads I don't think anyone cares11:40
sagaciyeah, thought so11:41
AlanBellczajkowski: you can learn about the internet! http://www.siliconrepublic.com/new-media/item/23771-1-8m-scheme-to-help-40-000/11:43
czajkowskiheh11:53
dogmatic69train 40k people at £47 each. sounds like there will be 40k new sys admins soon11:54
TheOpenSourcererdogmatic69: nah, 23,000 will be silver surfers (or your mum & dad). Arrrgggghhhh!12:00
dogmatic69:D12:00
dogmatic69seems like its the same as putting 1.8m in a hole, adding some petrol and lighting it.12:01
kirrusCould be worse. You could give it to the banks.12:03
Davieydaubers: o/12:47
daubersDaviey: \o/ Mind if I use the pad.ubuntu-uk.org etherpad for some reading hackspace stuff until I can get something else set up?12:49
Davieydaubers: sure.. it's been a little poorly at times, but i don't mind.12:50
dogmatic69is that google wave stuff?12:50
daubersDaviey: Poorly how? Running out of capacity? Or just etherpad crazyness creaking at it's hinges?12:50
Davieydaubers: I think it just needs some housekeeping, tweaking12:51
daubersAh, okies :)12:52
ali1234hmmmmmmmm smeone nicked one of my customer's domain names :(12:58
Azelphur:(12:59
MooDooboooo  was it expired?12:59
ali1234no12:59
Azelphurhow'd they nick it?12:59
MooDoocom/net/orf?12:59
ali1234they must have rang up 1and1, done a bit of identity theft, and just asked them to transfer it12:59
ali1234co.uk12:59
Azelphurnice12:59
MooDoocontact nominet, they can get it back12:59
ali1234the perp has ut his hotmail.co.uk address on the squatting page he's put up13:00
MooDoonominet should be able to get it back for them no probs13:00
ali1234the registrar is still 1and113:00
ali1234they've just updated the dns to point to another provider13:00
ali1234so looks like we're still in control and can just cahnge it back13:00
ali1234exept 1and1 control panel is giving 500 error13:00
MooDoolol ah good old 1and113:01
dogmatic69is there a way to disable the numberpad moving the mouse? i keep turning it off and it keep turning back on some how13:01
AzelphurxD13:01
dogmatic69ali1234: set up a box on aws and DDos him till he gives it back13:01
MooDoodogmatic69: he's not actually got it, just made 1and1 change the nameservers13:02
dogmatic69lol13:02
dogmatic69that is lame13:02
MooDooi keep getting letters from the domain registrar of america telling me my domains are about to expire :)13:02
dogmatic69MooDoo: quick, send your details so they dont13:03
MooDoodogmatic69: they are on my todo list, i'm just sending people from nigeria my bank details at the moment13:03
dogmatic69ah, nice. i sent mine off last week. waiting to hear back now13:04
kirrusWe get customers calling up all confused about those DRoA letters :913:04
kirrus*:(13:04
diploSo do we13:04
diploAnnyoing isn't it13:04
MooDooletter ---> bin :)13:05
kirrusQuite. I got one in the post yesterday as well. Letter -> shredder ;)13:05
daubersMeh, it's cheaper than loo paper13:06
* hamitron 's arse has standards13:07
hamitron;/13:07
ali1234well nwow i'm confused13:08
bigcalm:|13:08
ali1234according to one and one the dns records can only be changed by logging into the control panel13:08
ali1234nobody knows the control panel password but me13:09
ali1234it's a string of random letters and numbers13:09
oimondoes anyone have a "magic trackpad"?13:10
kirrusali1234: do they log logins? can they tell when the last 5 logins were, and what IPs were they from?13:11
popeyoimon: i do13:11
ali1234dunno, didn't ask, not gonna help13:11
oimonpopey: replaces your mouse for your desktop pc right?13:11
popeythats the idea13:11
oimonhow's it work for you?13:11
popeys/desktop//g13:11
popeyi dont use it that often, it's not on my pc13:12
oimonnot really a game changer then13:12
popeydunno how you make the leap from "I dont use it" to "not a game changer"13:13
BigRedSwell, if it was a game changer, presumably you'd use it?13:15
BigRedSpresuming it changed it for something good13:15
popeyits not on my pc13:16
popeyif it was my pc I would us eit13:16
popey*use it13:16
oimoni was thinking of treating my team to some small IT purchase, thuoght maybe magic trackpads might be nice13:17
* popey sighs at ubuntu-users13:19
* bigcalm now has a blue dragon that eyes you up as you climb the stairs13:19
oimonmailing lists seem to have more persistent trolls camping under the bridge than most forms of communication13:23
oimonbut they are easy to spot because of their sigs :)13:24
czajkowskiI have to say13:25
czajkowskiI rock13:26
czajkowski:D13:26
* czajkowski does a little dance and offers sweets all around 13:26
czajkowskips you have to come here for the sweets13:26
* MooDoo holds up a banner "we love czajkowski!"13:26
popeychrisccoulson: you planning on building firefox 7 for 11.10 in the mozilla ppa?13:27
popeyer13:27
popey11.0413:27
ali1234the irony is that the squatting/holding page is actually better than the real one13:27
czajkowskiMooDoo: aww wuv you too13:28
dogmatic69ali1234: whats the domain?13:28
ali1234don't want to say :)13:28
dogmatic69k13:28
popeygoat-lovers.co.uk13:28
ali1234specially after i just slated it13:28
* BigRedS apologises to popey 13:28
popeyno need13:29
* dogmatic69 does not believe popey 13:29
popeyhmm?13:29
ali1234well, dns is reset now anyway13:29
dogmatic6924h wait13:29
ali1234i don't understand how these guys got the control panel password though13:29
ali1234yeah 24h13:29
popeydogmatic69: what you on about?13:30
ali1234either they must have compromised my gmail, or my desktop machine13:30
dogmatic69ali1234: hack email server, add mail forwarder, wait13:30
popeyor there is a hole in the panel?13:30
ali12341and1's panel you mean13:30
popeyyeah13:31
dogmatic69ali1234: ive read about gmail. some js that steals a session, adds the forwarder and done13:31
ali1234maybe13:31
ali1234the person who did it had to ring up 1and1 to get instructions on how to do it13:31
dogmatic69popey: i asked ali1234 what the site was and you said goat-lovers.co.uk :D13:31
popeyah13:31
popeysorry13:31
ali1234so they're not master hackers13:31
dogmatic69ali1234: it is bad that 1and1 did that, social engineering and all13:32
ali1234well this is the problem13:32
ali1234i dunno if it is a social engineering hack, or theyve hacked my email or desktop machine13:32
ali1234i find it unlikely that they have hacked my desktop13:32
dogmatic69if it was social engineering, they are 1) quite good or 2) 1and1 is quite lame13:32
ali1234well we tested them, rang up and tried to get the password13:33
ali1234they rfused, and sent it by email to me13:33
ali1234which leaves email or desktop hacking13:33
dogmatic69after you told them about this?13:33
dogmatic69maybe more on the lookout13:33
ali1234after, but it was a different call13:33
ali1234perhaps13:33
ali1234one other thing13:34
ali1234iknow 1and1 can read your password for control panel13:34
dogmatic69could have been an internal email 'dont fing do that again'13:34
hamitronor maybe just a member of staff not following procedure13:34
ali1234actually maybe not13:34
ali1234maybe they just log in to the control panel as you to test it :)13:34
dogmatic69hmmm, if they can read it its not hashed and could be hacked13:34
hamitron:/13:34
ali1234yeah maybe this guy is a real thicko and has no idea, and just bugged and bugged them until they told him exactly what to do13:34
dogmatic69something like a sql injection and everything is toast13:34
ali1234maybe it's accidental and he didn't even realise he used the wrong domain13:34
ali1234don't think they can read it13:35
ali1234the sometimes ask for control panel login for security13:35
ali1234but they could test that without knowing it13:35
dogmatic69that sounds legit, some client that does not know what a mouse is calls and asks to move a domain, they click the wrong one13:35
hamitronI better get some work done13:35
hamitrongl ali123413:35
hamitron:)13:35
ali12341and1 control panel was down today when i tried to log in13:35
ali1234maybe 1and1 were hacked properly andlost all the customer stuff13:36
ali1234and just haven't said anything yet13:36
ali1234lol13:37
ali1234this guy has the same domain but with an extra "s"13:37
oimonilikesheep.com and ilikesheeps.com ...easy mistake to make13:38
ali1234yeah13:38
diploali1234, I read earlier that 1and1 had a huge failure ( hardware ) yesterday/day before13:39
ali1234yesterday/day before is when it happened13:39
diplohttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/26/1and1_server_outage/13:39
oimonRegistrant:   I Like Sheep Enterprises13:39
ali1234hardware failure = "we set fire to the servers to destroy the evidence of the massive security intrusion"?13:39
diplo:p13:39
ali1234maybe13:40
ali1234maybe while the systems were down, tech support was a bit confused, and more likely to fall for the social engineering/generally make stupid mistakes13:40
ali1234this whole thing looks a bit like a misunderstanding between similar domain names13:40
ali1234you also log into 1and1 with domain name as user name13:40
ali1234so this guy probably typod and then rang up customer support when his password didn't work13:41
ali1234and due to the major problems, they couldn't sort it out properly13:41
oimonusing the premise that any good 1st line support people are usually promoted...13:41
ali1234so they were just like "hmm, ok here's you password reset"13:41
oimonhttp://linux.slashdot.org/story/11/09/28/1223250/Intel-Drops-MeeGo13:41
ali1234yes its all about the tizer now13:42
oimonyou can tell it's tizen with your eyes shut13:42
oimonit's bad for chip makers to have an OS anyway13:43
ali1234all the jokes on that slashdot story were made in #meego yesterday :)13:44
ali1234mostly by me13:44
oimoni don't read comment on slashdot until the story is a day old...up.downvoting weeds out the crap13:44
* oimon refills his pez dispenser13:46
popey\o/ pez13:50
davmor2popey: depends on the pez13:51
oimondavmor2: flavour or dispenser?13:51
* oimon is eating strawberry from a wall-e dispenser13:51
diploDon't even know what pez is :P13:51
davmor2oimon: dispenser13:51
popeyplastic box with a head on it13:51
oimoni'd prefer a chewbacca dispenser13:52
popeypivot head, sweet pops out13:52
diploah kids thinhs ?13:52
popeyno!13:52
diplothings*13:52
popey:D13:52
oimondiplo: no, adults things that kids may use if allowed :)13:52
bigcalmdavmor2: when will you know if Thursday next week is going ahead or not?13:52
diploheh I have a few of them hanging about from when the kids are round13:52
bigcalmI'll need to inform my boss of my travel plans13:52
davmor2bigcalm: any minute13:52
bigcalmCool13:52
davmor2bigcalm: So I think it's safe to assume it's on unless told otherwise,  we need to double check everything will be in place other than that we are ready to rock and roll :)13:59
bigcalmSweet13:59
bigcalmHow many peeps are turning up?13:59
bigcalmAnd which bit of the place will I need to go to? You're welcome to inform me closer to the time :)14:02
popeydetails details14:03
popeyyou worry too much14:03
bigcalmSometimes14:03
popey(c) Daviey14:03
bigcalmI worry less during my own time. But if I'm on company time, I need to plan14:04
bigcalmDue to the joys of skype numbers, it's quite likely that I'll be taking calls14:04
popeyi need to test skype on my phone14:05
bigcalm(as long as the wifi works) :)14:05
AlanBellpopey: android video skype?14:05
popeyaudio14:06
popeybut iphone14:06
popeyhahah14:06
* popey clicks "decline"14:06
popeysigned in on pc, need to sign in on phone14:06
popeydoesnt seem to want to connect over the proxy here14:07
popeywhich is annoying14:07
bigcalmSurprised?14:07
AlanBellskype normally laughs in the face of proxys14:08
* bigcalm watches the yummy mummies walk past the house having collected their little darlings from primary school. Hooray for fine weather :)14:09
popeyskype works fine on my pc via the exact same proxy14:10
popeyhttp://forum.skype.com/index.php?showtopic=341981&st=4014:11
popeyseems its well known broken14:11
popeybum14:11
AlanBellturn off wifi and use the cell connection14:12
dogmatic69nothing new then, skypes always broken14:12
popeyrubbish reception in this building14:13
popeywill have to wander outside14:13
Azelphurpopey: did you get my message the other day about GameQ? :)14:14
popeyyes14:14
* AlanBell gets ready to press "decline"14:14
Azelphurcool :p14:14
popeyooo it says online14:14
* popey calls AlanBell 14:16
* TheOpenSourcerer notes popey keeps "wandering outside" to make calls. Enjoying the fine weather then popey?14:17
popeypub lunch ☺14:17
popeycrabbies is perfick in this weather14:17
popey"call failed"14:17
davmor2bigcalm: sorry all hell broke out at least 4 if I can get some more then extras14:19
bigcalmNo worries :)14:20
TheOpenSourcerersheesh: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/microsofts-samsung-android-patent-troll-win/963414:29
chrisccoulsonpopey - it will be shipped in natty-security at some point14:32
reaper4334anyone know of a ubuntu-specific guide for making a custom boot splash for plymouth? I found a few pages but not a ubuntu specific one14:34
TheOpenSourcererreaper4334: IIRC I think directhex did one of these...14:35
directhexnah, mine was for grub14:36
TheOpenSourcererbah - sorry14:36
reaper4334shame :( lol14:41
popeythanks chrisccoulson15:14
selinuxiumTheOpenSourcerer, Utterly dumbfounded by the Microsoft Patent trolling... Worst thing is the more companies that accept this, this more flaky Linux looks... :(15:34
ali1234linux already looks incredibly flaky15:43
ali1234thanks to intel and LF15:43
DJonesThe Kindle Fire looks to be an interesting price at £130, although I'd be a wary of how much its locked down to Amazon software16:00
popeyyeah, i expect people will start hacking it quickly16:01
popeyto get stock android on it16:01
popeyprobably come with an AUP that says you cant :D16:02
DJonesHeh, if stock android can be installed, must admit I'll be tempted by one16:02
ali1234kindle fire?16:02
ali1234is that their new tablet?16:02
DJonesor at least have access to the android market rather than just the amazon market place16:02
DJonesali1234: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-1509665516:02
ali1234it's gonna suck you know that right?16:03
popeyamazon.com16:03
DJonesHalfway between an ebook reader & a tablet16:03
popeyhas the full line up16:03
ali1234how is it half way?16:03
popeysmaller than an ipad16:03
ali1234in terms of size?16:03
popeyyeah16:03
popey8 hours battery (claimed)16:04
popey(wifi off)16:04
ali1234that's awful16:04
popeyyeah, not great.16:04
DJonesali1234: A heavily customised version of android and probably more locked down to amazon apps16:04
ali1234i would much rather have a kindle16:04
ali1234DJones: yeah and it will have crap hardware specs, no more than you need to render an ebook16:04
ali1234and due to that it will probably be using some cheap and cheerful chinese soc16:05
ali1234that has no drivers16:05
popeythe specs dont look bad16:05
popeyit's a blackberry play AIUI16:05
popeyqualcom used that as the base fror it16:05
popey*for16:05
popeynot qualcom16:05
popeyQuanta16:05
ali1234never heard of them...16:05
popeyfar eastern company that make most laptops16:06
DJonesDual core processor, TI OMAP4 (if that means anything)16:06
ali1234anyway i'd rather have a kindle even though they crash all the time16:06
daubersNew kindle is now available on the uk site. Quite tempting at £8916:06
DJonesNew cheaper kindles seem good value16:06
ali1234OMAP4? that's actually not too bad16:06
popeyQuanta made the OLPC16:06
ali1234bit slow but all open drivers except for the 3d stuff16:06
HippyChicktrains take forever *groan*16:12
Laneyforever, that's a long time16:16
gordalmost as long as the week after next16:18
HippyChickwell ive been sat here since about 416:20
HippyChicktrain comes at 5.4316:20
brobostigonafternoonings everyone.16:24
HippyChickhello brobostigon16:26
brobostigonhelo HippyChick16:26
HippyChickhmm, ive jsut realised ive left my coat in the shop i was working at16:32
HippyChickbugger16:32
popeyoops16:33
MartijnVdSOoh.. wonder I got home16:33
MartijnVdSthey found some WW2 bomb near the train station16:33
gordhuh, the new amazon tablet thing is fairly cheep16:33
hamitrongord, how much?16:34
MartijnVdS£80ish?16:34
hamitronno way16:34
popey199 USD16:34
hamitron;/16:34
MartijnVdSoh wait that's the new cheapest Kindle16:34
popeyyes16:34
gordits not really a kindle16:34
gordthey are just using the name16:34
gordits an android tablet16:34
HippyChickMartijnVdS: where abouts is that16:34
* HippyChick is waiting for train16:34
popeysee amazon.com16:35
popeynot .co.uk16:35
MartijnVdSHippyChick: Netherlands/Utrecht :)16:35
popeyits on the front page16:35
* brobostigon quantum teleports the train to HippyChick 16:35
HippyChickMartijnVdS: oh goodie wont effect me then :)16:35
HippyChickbrobostigon: thanks, can you now teleport it home with me in it?16:36
HippyChick:P16:36
gordall i want is a colour e-ink device really16:36
brobostigonHippyChick: lets leave that to quantum mechanical uncertainty.16:36
HazRPGooo new gingerbread update?16:38
HippyChickbrobostigon: ho-hum guess i will have to be patient and wait16:38
Laneyall i want is to not get screwed on every ebook purchase16:38
AlanBellyou can get home at an unknown speed, or go at a speed you want to an unknown location16:38
MartijnVdSHazRPG: I got 2.3.6 on my N1 earlier this week16:38
brobostigonHippyChick: that us uncertainty, yes. sorry.16:38
HazRPGMartijnVdS: I only just got it last night it seems16:38
HazRPGMartijnVdS: :(16:39
MartijnVdSHazRPG: http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=557 ;)16:39
brobostigonAlanBell: you study quantum mechanics?16:39
HippyChicki've never been too sure about e-books and e-readers16:39
* hamitron hates them16:39
popeymmmm fondleslabs16:40
hamitronI like trees, so buy books to have them closer to me16:40
AlanBellbrobostigon: I dabble, but only popular science level16:40
hamitron;)16:40
popeywhat about unpopular science?16:40
HippyChickhamitron: why not just buy trees? or are books the portable edition?16:40
AlanBellpopey: that is what "boffins" do16:41
brobostigonAlanBell: ah, :). my specialism is time dilation, hobby only.16:41
hamitronHippyChick, I have a nice collection of alive tree too16:41
hamitron:)16:41
gordi mostly use my kindle for flights and monthly magazine subscriptions16:41
HippyChickwahoo \o/ train is delayed :(16:41
* brobostigon gets HippyChick a gin and tonic to make it more pleasant.16:42
TheOpenSourcererMy son asked me yesterday - At absolute zero does time stop too?16:42
brobostigonlol16:42
hamitronto me, if I used ebooks, I wouldn't have bookshelves around the house.... which are a nice feature16:42
* HippyChick is thinking she just needs the gin16:42
MartijnVdSTheOpenSourcerer: http://www.sixtysymbols.com/ -- ask a scientist :)16:42
TheOpenSourcererMy answer was probably.16:42
popeyAlanBell: The key question. Do you have a lab-coat?16:42
* AlanBell thinks 20,000,000 rows in a MSSQL table is a sign of something not quite right going on.16:42
popeyTheOpenSourcerer: good question!16:43
popeyhah16:43
* jacobw agrees with AlanBell 16:43
TheOpenSourcererThat's what I said popey16:43
popeynah16:43
popeythats "a start" in SAP terms16:43
brobostigonTheOpenSourcerer: psace-time only gets bent by speed and gravity, so, the answer is no.16:43
hamitronbbl, deliveries16:43
brobostigonspace-time*16:43
popeybrobostigon: do you know of any clocks that work at absolute zero?16:43
AlanBellpopey: yeah, this is for a little Alfresco system running an intranet of maybe 1500 pages for 50 users16:44
brobostigonpopey: good question.16:44
TheOpenSourcererYes, but *nothing* moves at absolute zero. That is what it means absence of any movement at all by anything.16:44
popeyAlanBell: is it the table containing the list of people who hate the product?16:44
MartijnVdSAlanBell: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4sOfGKEaxs16:44
popeymuch as this conversation is entertaining.. I'm going home :D16:44
* MartijnVdS waves at popey 16:45
brobostigontime is theory stops, within infinate speed and gravity, endof;16:45
brobostigonin*16:45
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: black hole! ;)16:45
HippyChickpopey: i'd love to be going home!16:45
brobostigonMartijnVdS: good example, yes, :)16:45
popeyawww16:45
popeyHippyChick: shall i wait at my desk till your train comes?16:45
HippyChickpopey: no its fine, it should be here in a minute16:46
* AlanBell would like to go to the restaurant at the end of the universe16:46
HippyChickim just having a bad day16:46
brobostigonbrb ,need beer, anyone else want one?16:46
TheOpenSourcereryes please brobostigon16:47
brobostigonone minute.16:47
TheOpenSourcererOld Hookey if you have it16:47
HippyChicktrain \o/16:48
MartijnVdS*\o/*16:48
popeyyay16:48
popeyI can go home now!16:48
HippyChicklol16:48
HippyChicki wont get home until 9.30 though16:48
MartijnVdSTheOpenSourcerer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mgyp94TZdqQ&NR=1 as well (hm, I think I may be confusing Alans)16:48
* brobostigon scp's TheOpenSourcerer some blacksheep.16:52
TheOpenSourcererty brobostigon16:52
TheOpenSourcerer:-)16:52
brobostigonTheOpenSourcerer: :)16:53
MartijnVdSToday in Geek History: Star Trek: The Next Generation 1st airs in 1987. Its 178 eps won 18 Emmys, 2 Hugos, 1 Peabody, & tea, Earl Grey, hot.16:53
jacobwhmm blacksheep16:53
brobostigonold perculier,16:54
TheOpenSourcererHah: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2042703/The-Show-Bar-Warringtons-2-Bob-Tuesday-revellers-pass-gutter.html16:55
TheOpenSourcererI used to work for a firm in Warrington. Was a bit of a dump back then (mid - late 1980s).16:56
* brobostigon makes agreeable noises.16:57
TheOpenSourcererMind you. 20p a pint is rather attractive. More than the local women. ;-)16:57
RaycisCharlesAmstrad?16:57
RaycisCharlesTheOpenSourcerer = Alan Sugar's beard16:57
directhexurgh i have a headache16:57
TheOpenSourcererI'm off to cook dinner. laterz all.16:57
brobostigono/16:58
HippyChickmmmm food16:58
* HippyChick is happy that 11.10 will fix her sd card16:58
HippyChickwin \o/16:58
jacobwhow do you know?17:04
HippyChickoly already updated to it and it fixed it on his17:05
HippyChickso unless they do somthing to break  it in the next couple of weeks....17:05
gordwell, final freeze is tomorrow17:07
Davieyfreeze smeaze.17:10
=== HippyChick1 is now known as HippyChick
AlanBelldoes apport get turned off at final freeze?17:41
davmor2gord: I no longer believe the word freeze applies to any ubuntu project :P17:43
DavieyAlanBell: I don't believe anybody has done the upload yet.. but it will be done soon.  kerneloops has already been disabled.17:49
Davieyah, the upload hasn't been accepted yet17:50
jacobwright, i have big question.17:57
jacobwi've never seen star trek before, i want to watch it17:57
jacobwwhere do i start?17:57
AlanBelljacobw: start with one of the films17:58
brobostigondefinatly, some of the shakepearian episodes within The next generation, with patrick stewert.17:58
jacobwi have in fact seen the jj abrahams film17:58
brobostigon:'(17:58
HazRPGMartijnVdS: heh yeah I do go on there from time to time :P17:59
brobostigonthat is no star trek film.17:59
brobostigonST 11, sucks balls,17:59
MartijnVdSHazRPG: hm?17:59
HazRPGMartijnVdS: xda site link you sent to N1 section ^_^17:59
HazRPGMartijnVdS: sorry, was on an hour long phone call with my dad ^_^18:00
MartijnVdSHazRPG: ah :)18:00
HippyChickwhich one is 11?18:00
MartijnVdSHippyChick: Star Trek 11? The newest one :)18:00
MartijnVdSHippyChick: with all the hip young actors18:00
MartijnVdSand loads of lens flare :)18:00
brobostigonjacobw: a good started is, voyage home, and first contactm is we are talking about films as AlanBell suggested,18:00
HazRPGheh yeah was just about to say that :P, MartijnVdS beat me to :P18:01
HippyChickooh withh the hot guy from heroes in?18:01
AlanBellfirst contact, then you can watch the Enterprise series18:01
* HippyChick is currently watching enterprise18:01
HazRPGEnterprise \o/18:01
brobostigoncontinuity, :'(18:01
HazRPGrecently watched Star Wars...18:01
* brobostigon kicks enterprise up the bacside.18:01
MartijnVdSHazRPG: HEATHEN!18:01
jacobwi haven't seen star wars either18:01
AlanBellthen some original series stuff with kirk and spock18:02
MartijnVdSHazRPG: (I have the blurays ;))18:02
HazRPGpeople have hyped that film up to me for years... and well... I was totally unimpressed :/18:02
HazRPGnot the graphics, or anything like that... just the general story... totally unimpressed18:02
brobostigonHazRPG: agreed, 11 was crap.18:02
MartijnVdSHazRPG: If you like scifi, watch Moon18:02
AlanBellthen you can read porny kirk/spock fanfiction :)18:02
ali1234star wars is not really sci fi18:02
MartijnVdSali1234: close enough18:03
HazRPGali1234: heh18:03
ali1234not really18:03
MartijnVdSali1234: it's on one end of the spectrum of scifi :)18:03
jacobwok, so i should go 1996 first contact then 2001-2005 enterprise?18:03
ali1234it just happens to be set in space18:03
AlanBellali1234: it is stories, set in a sci fi world18:03
ali1234*story18:03
HazRPGpeople have nagged me to watch Star Wars for years... and well, I didn't find it that interesting :/18:03
ali1234it's basically a revenge western18:03
MartijnVdSali1234: you're confusing "scifi" with "hard scifi"18:03
HazRPGMartijnVdS: I shall have to check that out :)18:03
brobostigonjacobw: no, dont watch enterprise, continuitly, it isnt accurate.18:03
HazRPGMartijnVdS: Have you seen Eureka!? :o18:03
MartijnVdSali1234: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MohsScaleOfScienceFictionHardness18:03
jacobwi think i should watch everything in chronological order18:04
HazRPGjacobw: :o you've not seen startrek!?18:04
MartijnVdSjacobw: 4-5-6-1-2-3  you mean?18:04
HazRPGI use to watch it religiously as a kid18:04
brobostigonjacobw: start with the nimoy films, and then first contact,18:04
brobostigonjacobw: ie, 2/3/4.18:05
jacobwMartijnVdS: i mean the order in which they were made18:05
brobostigontOS/TNG/DS9/VOY18:06
ali1234star trek is sci fi. but not the films18:06
jacobwbrobostigon: ok, the motion picture, ii, iii, iv, v, vi, first contact?18:06
* AlanBell likes the one with the whales18:06
brobostigonjacobw: forget the motion picture, it is faul.18:06
brobostigonAlanBell: voyage home, :)18:07
AlanBelltransparent aluminium \o/18:07
brobostigon:)18:07
MartijnVdSAlanBell: "Star Trek IV: Free Willy"?18:07
ali1234that whole "good/bad" thing is star trek movies is a lie. they're all bad18:08
* brobostigon hangs out in #memory-alpha, and edits said wiki, so if very trek nerdy.18:08
ali1234brobostigon: have you tried 20q star trek edition? it's amazing :)18:08
MartijnVdSOh don't forget to watch Galaxy Quest18:09
brobostigonali1234: heard of, yes. tried, no.18:09
AlanBellali1234: no, *this* is bad http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICbc8DpcX3w18:09
ali1234shatner should just give it up and sing18:10
AlanBellso bad that firefox just committed suicide whilst playing it18:10
ali1234they could just autotune it18:11
ali1234also this is far worse http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKKpPFTTROU18:12
* HippyChick dares not to click on links whilst on the train18:13
ali1234it gets really bad at about 3:3018:14
jacobwyou shouldn't stream on train wifi18:14
MartijnVdSjacobw: they should just improve train wifi then :P18:15
HippyChickim on dongle not train wifi18:15
* jacobw upgrades to oneiric18:16
HippyChickim upgrading at the weekend when the internet is apparently classed as off peak and i can download as much as i want without repocussions18:20
smittixDoes anyone have any idea what time AMD is supposed to release their 11.9 catalyst driver?18:23
jacobwwhen AMD release their 11.9 catalyst driver ;)18:24
MartijnVdSthey have one more day.. :)18:24
jacobwha18:25
smittixWas going off the anouncement that it would be here today. Windows version has been posted but not the linux version.18:25
smittixjacobw: Really? I should have known.18:25
AlanBell22197100 rows transferred \o/18:52
Danawar2Hey does any one know a guide i can follow that will allow me to build a simple website that has a database sat in the background?18:54
AzelphurDanawar2: "sat in the background" ?18:55
AzelphurDo you want a LAMP setup? (Linux, Apache, MySQL, PHP)18:56
Danawar2Yee i could do a lamp set-up I forgot there are many guides for that18:57
Danawar2When i mean sat in background i just mean so i can query it.18:58
Azelphursudo apt-get install tasksel && sudo tasksel install lamp-server18:58
Azelphur^ Magical superguide that does it all for you18:58
Danawar2Never heard of tasksel18:58
Danawar2I shall have a look at it now thanks!18:59
Azelphur!tasksel | Danawar218:59
lubotu3Danawar2: Tasksel is a Debian/Ubuntu tool that installs multiple related packages as a co-ordinated "task" onto your system, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tasksel for more information. Use tasksel only to INSTALL tasks, not to remove them. It will remove every package listed within the removed task! see https://launchpad.net/bugs/57428718:59
Azelphur:)18:59
Danawar2:) Do you workl yet azelphur?19:00
AzelphurYep19:00
Azelphurat least sort of, on and off \o/19:00
ali1234why tasksel? what's wrong with metapackages??19:02
Azelphurali1234: ubuntu wiki says tasksel19:02
MartijnVdSali1234: namespace pollution -- tasks use their own namespace afaik19:02
Hippychickevening19:15
* Hippychick is bored of being on train now :(19:16
bigcalmEllo Hippychick19:19
bigcalmPlay minecraft?19:19
Hippychickhmm whats minecraft?19:20
bigcalm:O19:21
bigcalm!minecraft19:21
bigcalmShame19:21
Hippychicklol19:21
smittixyeah, bigcalm. What is minecraft?19:21
bigcalmMinecraft is a wonderful game where allows you to do pretty much anything19:22
smittixIs it that thing that steals hours from the day and makes you want to smack your monitor when you lose 40 Diamonds in a stupid sized cavern?19:22
bigcalm40?19:22
bigcalmLucky bugger19:22
smittixThroughout the day I have lost over 200 Iron Ore and i dread to think how much Gold and Diamonds.19:22
bigcalmFrom wikipedia: Minecraft is a sandbox game which allows players to build constructions out of textured cubes in a 3D world.19:23
smittixShould of took a chest with me I suppose19:23
gordits basically multi-player 3d microsoft paint19:23
bigcalmTake logs with you19:23
bigcalmHah19:23
ali1234cubes lol19:23
bigcalmStill one of the better reviews of minecraft: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/2680-Minecraft19:24
bigcalmSadly requires flash19:24
smittixHmm. Someone just got flamed for mentioning a different os in #fedora.19:24
smittixHow friendly.19:24
ali1234 #fedora is full of weenies19:24
Hippychickright, must go, need to conserve battery :/19:25
vazirodin__: hi19:29
vazirhi19:29
* popey tickles AlanBell with http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/happyhour.pdf19:35
popeyhoping it will get updated19:35
AlanBellreally, OK19:36
AlanBellI only did that for the millbank fridge!19:36
popeyoh, ok, nvm19:36
* AlanBell fires up inkscape19:36
DavieyAlanBell: nice19:38
bigcalmAlanBell: you need to remove The Station from the happy hour list (it closed on Sunday)19:39
AlanBellbigcalm: yeah, will do19:39
bigcalmTa19:39
bigcalmNo idea what our LUG are going to do now19:40
StevenRbigcalm: drink another pub dry every so often?19:40
TheOpenSourcererbigcalm: find another pub?19:40
gordbuild your own pub!19:40
bigcalmThe LUG met at a back room at the pub for free. I think they like their privacy rather than being 'on show' to other pub gowers19:41
bigcalmgoers19:41
mgdmwith... oh wait, the Bender from Futurama reference would be inappropriate19:41
bigcalmWhich is a shame19:41
TheOpenSourcererSo I see Firefox 7.0 will be rather short lived then. 7.01 tomorrow probably19:41
mgdmTheOpenSourcerer: security fault?19:41
TheOpenSourcerermozilla Bug 68080219:41
bigcalm7? Oh for flip19:41
lubotu3Mozilla bug 680802 in Add-ons Manager "Upgrade Firefox when there is an add-on update waiting to be installed uninstalls the add-on" [Major,Resolved: fixed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=68080219:41
StevenRbigcalm: I like that arrangement "We promise to come in and regularly drink alot, please can we have a room?" "Sure"19:41
bigcalmYeah, you'd think that was a good ploy. Seems pubs are worried about insurance19:42
AlanBellpopey: http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/happyhour.pdf19:43
FunnyGuyhi19:43
StevenRbigcalm: insurance?19:44
AlanBellhi19:44
bigcalmStevenR: against fires and disabled access and lots of other things that make handy unused back rooms unsuitable19:45
StevenRbigcalm: ah. sadness. :(19:46
bigcalmThe Station had a room, upstairs with no fire exit and only one way in/out19:46
bigcalmVery lucky to get to use it19:46
mgdmThere's a pub at home with a fully-fitted bar on the second floor as well as the ground floor one. They're not allowed to use it as there's only one entrance19:49
StevenRmgdm: how much would it cost to get a second door?19:50
mgdmStevenR: lots. Listed building, it'd need an external fire escape and there's nowhere really to put it, etc.19:50
StevenR:(19:51
StevenRthe pub EdLUG used to use closed down too :(19:51
zleaphello19:52
mgdmStevenR: the Holyrood Tavern...?19:55
StevenRmgdm: yeah. At least I heard that it closed19:57
mgdmI heard similar19:57
mgdmI've not been since 2005, though :)19:57
StevenRnot since 2006 me19:58
mgdmI might take a wander over (I'm in Glasgow myself)19:58
bigcalmOur LUG would be SLUG if it wasn't for Sydney20:07
bigcalmWho has GLUG?20:07
mgdmbigcalm: no, your lug would be SLUG if it wasn't for Sydney and Scotland :P20:08
bigcalmHeh20:08
bigcalmmgdm: and every other county beginning with S20:08
jacobwSurrey20:08
AlanBellbigcalm: Greater London LUG20:10
zleapor somerset20:11
bigcalmThat would be Gllug20:11
AlanBellit is20:11
AlanBellclose enough :)20:11
bigcalmI asked who had Glug :P20:11
popeybigcalm: i registered glug.org.uk20:12
jacobwGloucester20:12
zleapyeah20:12
popeyin anticipation of LUGs wanting to be GNU/Linux User Groups20:12
zleapsounds right for glug20:12
popeyglug.org.uk isnt gloucester20:12
jacobwhaha20:12
zleapmind you the devon and cornwall lug has the same letters as for the washington DC lug :)20:12
popeyit goes to lug.org.uk20:12
jacobwwhen i saw stallman, somebody asked a question and forgot the GNU/20:13
bigcalmApart from RMS, does anybody care that much to include GNU?20:13
zleapwe ended up changing the dclug to dcglug to include gnu, that was matt lee's idea,  who now works for RMS,   he did bring a mac to a lug meet once,20:15
TheOpenSourcererA site for your bookmarks - This chap has *every* curry recipe every on his site: http://www.greatcurryrecipes.net/ And it's updated regularly too.20:16
bigcalmpopey: gave in and ordered both the leather strap and the terrorwatch :)20:17
bigcalmI'll have a watch for every day use and one for geek events :D20:17
popeyyay20:18
popeyzleap: matt lee tried to get all UK lugs to switch20:18
popeyhe failed massively20:19
popeymost told him to get lost20:19
zleaphmm20:19
popeyhe wanted to set up a list of UK free software groups20:19
zleaphe managed it with US20:19
popeythe requirement was that you have to change your name20:19
popeyto get on the list20:19
zleapah20:19
popeysurrey said "okay"20:19
popeymatt pasted basically the gnu manifesto on their homepage (a wiki)20:19
popeywhich made the site look like arse20:20
zleapthing is we have try and er explain GNU which is not easy sometimes20:20
popeyso someone moved the chunky bits to a second page20:20
popeythis was enough for matt to get the hump and tell them they couldn't be listed20:20
popeythis is one of the very many reasons I have very little time for the FSF20:20
popeystunts like that do them no favours20:20
bigcalmWell meaning but miss guided20:20
zleapyeah20:21
mgdmI was a member for a while, but got scunnered with some of their stunts20:21
TheOpenSourcererwho is miss guided?20:21
zleapso is he still working for the FSF20:21
zleapTheOpenSourcerer, misguided i guess20:22
mgdmI seem to remember the "everyone go and book up all the tech support slots at the Apple store" thing was the one which made me realise they live on a different planet to most of us20:22
TheOpenSourcererThat was a (supposedly) funny and rhetorical question zleap but clearly it failed on both counts.20:22
zleapoh sorry20:22
popeymgdm: http://popey.com/blog/2008/07/28/Demented_by_Design/20:23
popey:D20:23
zleapi remember him tryingto say thast if you can't do something using free software you should not do it at all,20:23
mgdmpopey: Oh yes, you even link to my blog :)20:23
ali1234asking questions you already know the answer to is called rhetoric20:23
zleaprather than resorting to non free software20:23
ali1234what is currently bugging me is why so many people want free software to become popular20:24
mgdmpopey: hah, I love the ethernet cable thing20:25
ali1234personally i don't give a damn if joe public uses free software or not, if they can't contribute anything20:25
popeythat was matt lee too20:25
mgdmpopey: reinforces my "different planet" thought20:25
popeyin #lugradio20:25
mgdmFigured20:25
popey:D20:25
ali1234and, if you can't fix bugs or write documentation, then you cannot contribute, imo20:25
zleapi am not techie, however i try and contribute someting such as ideas, see the 12.04 thread20:26
ali1234not in the "your not allowed to contribute" sense, but simply because nothing else is actually useful20:26
ali1234ideas are cheap, everyone has ideas20:26
ali1234free software is supposed to compete on merit20:27
ali1234not on who has the most fanbois20:27
* popey runs after ali1234 with an autograph book20:27
TheOpenSourcererWow! I have just been followed by a "Neon Hat Supplier" in Vancouver...20:27
ali1234and that just doesn't work when the relatively small pool of developers is trying to satisfy the demands of hundreds of thousands of non-technical users20:28
jacobwwho wouldn't want a neon hat/20:28
zleapany idea if skype stores a password locally on the hard disk20:29
ali1234in the past i have heard the argument "well, if more people use linux, more companies will make drivers"20:29
ali1234but this clearly isn't working20:29
jacobwzleap: i doubt it would store in plaintext on local disk20:30
mgdmIn other news, the clingfilm trick for poaching eggs is ace - someone needs a medal for that20:30
ali1234all we have is a bunch of buggy closed source drivers that cause even more problems than having no driver at all20:30
TheOpenSourcererali1234: But there are more drivers. Mostly stuff just works now.20:30
TheOpenSourcerermgdm: Prey tell. My wife likes poached eggs...20:30
zleapali1234, i guess the same idea is for games20:30
ali1234yeah, something else that isn't working20:30
zleapproblem is when the do make games for LInxu then end up over priced so people don't buy em due to the price20:31
mgdmTheOpenSourcerer: put some clingfilm over the top of a cup, with a dip in it, crack the egg into it, carefully gather the ends, chuck in boiling water20:31
mgdmTheOpenSourcerer: considerably less faff than the other ways20:31
TheOpenSourcererHmm - Wifey has a twin cup thing that she sticks in the microwave. Seems to work OK.20:31
jacobwzleap: http://blog.reactive-software.com/skype-password-recovery/20:32
mgdmTheOpenSourcerer: Oh aye, those are handy. I don't have one though20:32
zleapthanks20:32
zleapit logs inon my netbook, but i wrote it down, just can't find it20:32
bigcalmSilicon egg pods from Lakeland are good for poaching :)20:33
zleapi need it to log in via my desktop too,20:33
bigcalmOh look, a new UUPC to listen to :D \o/20:34
diploevening all21:14
ubuntuuk-planet[Ubuntu UK Podcast] S04E16  Fates Warning - http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/2011/09/28/s04e16-fates-warning/21:14
bigcalmRe backups - My parents' backup to my house and I backup to my parents' house. All with rdiff-backup21:28
AlanBellrdiff-backup ftw21:28
* StevenR likes rsnapshot21:33
bigcalmpopey: with your dropbox snafu, you could have restored the files via the web interface21:34
czajkowskialoha22:52
AlanBello/22:52
AlanBellbigcalm: http://ubuntu-uk.org/happy-hour/ station removed22:53
daftykinscor, power troubles in the channel islands22:55
daftykinspower cut the other day, two more tonight :S22:55
ubuntuuk-planet[Alistair McKinlay] US only? - http://www.10people.co.uk/index.php/2011/09/us-only/23:15
=== exobuzz is now known as ab56546unique

Generated by irclog2html.py 2.7 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!