[01:10] how does 10.04 run with 1Gb RAM? [01:20] poorly [01:31] reckon just X and firefox will run ok? [01:31] no Gnome and stuff [01:35] X will run in 32mb [01:35] i recommend you use 32 bit and compile a kernel with highmem disabled [01:35] but how much does firefox really need? [01:36] firefox will adapt it's memory use to slightly more memory than you have [01:36] haha [01:36] great [01:36] :) [01:37] i stopped noticing memory issues after i upgraded from 4gb to 16gb [01:38] this is only for testing anyway [01:38] firefox actually has a piece of code in it that looks like "switch(system_memory) case 128: use x amount for cache; case 256: use y amount; [01:39] it will be moved to a system with 16Gb later this year [01:39] luckily they didn't expect anyone to have 16gb, it stops are 4gb i think [01:39] hha [01:39] "until next time" ;/ [01:39] yeah [01:39] kde has a nice crash dumper [01:40] it installs debug packages for you [01:40] with apport it won't do it unless you run some obscure command line [01:40] of course i'd rather not see it at all [01:41] i wonder if this thing is going to send the report to launchpad or to kde [01:44] hmmm [01:44] may try editing browser.cache.disk.capacity too [02:11] ty for your input ali1234 [02:11] laters o/ [02:11] wow kde just gets sillier [02:11] now you can move any window to a tab in any other window [02:12] :| [02:12] so you can move control panel into a tab in your konsole window [02:12] of course you can only open ONE control panel so if you actually do this, you'll just lose it forever [02:12] completely stupid feature [02:12] doesn't firefox do that? [02:12] firefox? [02:12] no [02:12] you can't put gnome control panel in a firefox tab [02:13] oh no [02:13] true [02:13] :) [02:13] but can move tabs around groups [02:13] yes, firefox tabs [02:14] in kde, every single application is tabbed, and you can move any application into a tab in any other applications window [02:14] I guess KDE has always been there to "do everything" [02:14] ;) [02:14] the thing is kde does not do everything [02:14] it does a lot of pointless stuff like thi [02:14] but it doesn't do everything [02:15] it sure feels like it, when looking through everything to find 1 thing [02:15] :D [02:16] but yeh [02:16] laters o/ [04:14] http://imagebin.org/176517 [04:14] not bad [04:15] it's a shame that plasma widgets don't fit in with the rest of the system [04:15] and that they are all so buggy [06:14] [Jono Bacon] Video On Dealing With Burnout - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/09/28/video-on-dealing-with-burnout/ [06:55] good morning, cheer up with a coffee \o/ http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-15059266 [06:56] yay [06:56] if you are an american female nurse /o\ [07:03] * AlanBell encounters rule 34 when searching for ocelot pictures [07:21] Morning [07:21] morning matey [07:38] Morning all [08:01] good morning all [08:02] morning [08:02] is there a way to configure vsftpd to produce a short listing by default? [08:02] apparently there's an inbuilt ls command [08:02] haha ftp :P [08:02] don't laugh... ancient system. [08:03] 8-P [08:09] aloha [08:10] morning czajkowski [08:10] MooDoo: so hows the new edition [08:10] czajkowski: still on oz time at the moment :) [08:11] Ooh - what did you get MooDoo ? [08:12] o/ [08:12] TheOpenSourcerer: he had a baby [08:12] where have you been [08:12] TheOpenSourcerer: girl :) [08:12] czajkowski: I know that! [08:12] Duh [08:12] MooDoo: Congrats. [08:12] Name? [08:13] Rosie Victoria [08:13] Ahh :-) [08:13] IRC Handle yet? [08:13] MiniMooDoo [08:13] lol [08:13] CuteMooDoo [08:14] Parenthood is [ahem] interesting. [08:14] yeah very :) #1 son is 3 now [08:15] Ah OK you are expererienced [08:15] hmm, loads of people i know are having babies [08:15] * Hippychick gets broody [08:15] Mine are 7 & 11 now. [08:15] 7/11 [08:15] TheOpenSourcerer: Have you taken them to a 7-eleven? :) [08:16] lol [08:17] MartijnVdS: got that vinyl cutting working, ditched tux plot and added some plot extension to inkscape, works way better. thanks for the help last night [08:17] 11 yr old behaves like Kevin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLuEY6jN6gY [08:17] dogmatic69: cool [08:18] MartijnVdS: http://i.imgur.com/zbWPq.jpg [08:18] dogmatic69: already pirating trademarked logos I see :P [08:18] well im making a sbk clone :D [08:19] bike will look like this shortly http://s2.visordown.com/uploads/images/large/25351.jpg [08:19] they should be paying me for advertising ;) [08:19] aww, with training wheels :P [08:20] lol [08:20] Good morning peeps :) [08:20] o/ bigcalm [08:20] \o bc [08:21] *sigh* [08:21] hello [08:22] I'm not actually as awake as my greeting would suggest [08:22] * bigcalm hugs Myrtti [08:22] hello Myrtti - looks like you need coffee ;-) http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-15059266 [08:22] I'd rather have tea atm, but there isn't proper tea anywhere in sight [08:23] "Proper tea management", sounds like an awesome job [08:23] spending money on things I have no personal use of in this life is depressing [08:23] Myrtti: what is your idea of 'proper tea' [08:23] MartijnVdS: :D [08:23] dogmatic69: not decaf [08:24] there is no decaf tea in Finland [08:24] ah, what is the point of decaf... [08:24] * TheOpenSourcerer hates tea. [08:24] apart from tisanes [08:24] * MartijnVdS has some fresh Darjeeling [08:24] TheOpenSourcerer: what you doing in ubuntu-*uk* then :) [08:24] I live on coffee.# [08:24] You've all put me in the mood for some lapsang souchong. Back in a bit :) [08:25] moar coffee. [08:25] Earl Gray is nice and some fruity teas too, but when I wan't proper tea, I mean proper English proper plain tea. Which doesn't include Earl Gray, tisanes, fruity teas, decaf, rooibos, and especially and specifically NOT Lipton Yellow Label [08:25] Myrtti: with milk? [08:25] MartijnVdS: of course. [08:26] Myrtti: Well, I've seen holy wars about that.. [08:27] been reading some not so good things about 11.10 and 3.0 kernel. apparently battery life is not important :/ [08:27] anyone tried it out on a laptop? [08:28] When visiting France, we always take a box of Yorkshire Hard Water tea bags with us [08:28] it doesn't seem markedly worse than 2.6.38 to me on mine [08:29] * AlanBell has coffee [08:29] bigcalm: I should have brought Yorkshire soft with me, in UK it's the hard we use [08:30] MORNING LOVELY PEOPLE [08:30] argh. she's typing in SQL again [08:30] czajkowski: wow your happy today [08:31] * Myrtti goes to make some damned coffee [08:31] Myrtti: hard water in Shropshire and most places we visit in France. Good to have both just in case though :) [08:31] MooDoo: I am you know [08:31] today is a great day [08:31] \o/ [08:31] czajkowski: you rock! [08:32] I do [08:32] I have to admit [08:32] Heh [08:32] but so do you all [08:32] # [08:32] Oh my [08:32] czajkowski: your briliance is only exceeded by your modesty [08:33] if i had a rose, i'd give it to czajkowski , one form of beauty to another :D [08:33] Bucket! [08:33] I need a bucket! [08:33] czajkowski: refuse the rose, until it is out of nappies [08:34] hehe we're currently in the "oooo it's rosie and jim" phase with people at the moment, although my son is called Jimmy [08:34] bigcalm: Cambridgeshire [08:35] :D [08:36] rosie and jim were *terrifying* [08:36] whats rosie and jim [08:37] I come across something in 11.10 called Personal File Sharing, I open it up and it says it shares file over the network, but underneath it says 'This feature cannot be enabled because the required packaged are not installed on your system' but it does tell you what packages need to install anyb ody know? [08:37] all together now! [08:37] czajkowski, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwYP6eesX9E [08:38] let their cold dead eyes infest your mind [08:38] :) [08:39] czajkowski: they are like Tilly Tom and Tiny from tots TV [08:39] * AlanBell suspects that won't help much [08:40] sorry lost connection and didnt realise, does anybody have any ideas? [08:42] scoundrel50a: I think that uses webdav, but don't quote me on that [08:42] oh, I have no clue about that, ok thank you, will leave that I think [08:43] 11.10 is getting better, not so buggy, [08:44] only thing is, in system setting system info, it tells you there under graphics that Experience says fallback, how do i get around that, it should allow as updates are occuring to change that, my chip should be able to cope with it [08:45] scoundrel50a: normally there is a button to install them, it is samba stuff I think [08:45] no button [08:46] AlanBell: That's something else :) [08:46] AlanBell: You're thinking of when you right click on a folder and goto "sharing options" [08:47] yeah, I was [08:47] If you do that, that will use samba and offer to install the relevant packages [08:47] yeh, I have been doing that, with my files to chare [08:47] but this something else [08:47] jpw can I take a picture and add it here [08:47] please do, it sounds interesting [08:47] how [08:47] do I add the picture here [08:48] Myrtti: yay :) [08:48] !pastebin [08:48] For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [08:48] scoundrel50a: a link to the image is fine in here [08:48] scoundrel50a: for multi-line, use a paste bin :) [08:48] is there an image storage thing I can use, to create a link [08:49] imgur.com or publish a picture via ubuntu one [08:49] ah, thank you [08:49] bigcalm: ♥ [08:49] am taking pic now will get the link up in a couple of secs when I can [08:50] Myrtti: congrats to you both :) [08:51] and now, with this positive attitude, I think I'm ready to spend money on a headstone. [08:51] I've been putting it off for a week. [08:52] http://imgur.com/gfetB [08:54] scoundrel50a: looks like you should file a bug :) [08:55] ok, will do [08:56] what about the other problem with system info and my graphics, where it says the Experience is on Fallback, how do I change that [08:57] What's your graphics card? [08:57] If it's ATI or nVidia, then you can install a 3rd party driver and get wizz bang effects :) [08:58] I got my laptop from linux emporium with 11.04 and 11.10 oreinstalled, no windows, the card is Mobile Intel® GM45 Express Chipset x86/MMX/SSE2 [08:58] Right, that's passed my limit of knowledge :) [08:58] so you dont know that graphics card? [09:00] would you know how to get out of it being in fallback? [09:01] *sigh* [09:01] I know about Intel, but I don't know anything more about graphics I'm afraid. I tend to use non-wizzy-bang desktops [09:01] that was probably the most painful bill I've ever paid [09:01] Myrtti: well done for doing it though [09:02] Myrtti: now you can order some tea from the interwebs [09:02] I wouldn't mind if I hadn't been saving the money for four years to pay driving school [09:02] oh well. [09:02] Was there no money left to cater for such things? [09:03] http://imgur.com/jEsMD [09:03] ok, thanks anyway [09:03] no cash, only assets that we either don't want to or can't easily turn into money [09:03] Ah [09:06] Good morning all! [09:11] hmm, google has detected some unusual traffic from my computer.... [09:12] i get that every time i use the search function in the online gtk documentation [09:24] can any parents suggest a good device to stop children opening some sliding wardrobe doors? [09:25] oimon, what about somthing you normally put on a reptile cage to stop them from opening doors? [09:25] not sure if you can get them for wardrobes though... [09:25] Place a latch high enough out of reach [09:26] bear trap infront of the doors? [09:26] there's no handles on the doors. they are big floor to ceiling doors on runners [09:26] this is the only thing i've seen so far [09:26] http://www.amazon.co.uk/BabyDan-Sliding-Door-Clip-LARGE/dp/B001DSUVIO [09:26] but would prefer something you can clip onto the runners [09:27] oimon: http://static.topclasscarpentry.com/images/thumbnails/category/gold-cabin-hook_300.jpg [09:27] Screw it into the doors [09:27] glass doors [09:29] something like this but nicer http://www.yourstyledoors.co.uk/siteimages/10/1/9/101934/531063.jpg [09:29] http://www.imgftw.net/img//504283520.jpg <- Looks like fun [09:30] daubers: let us know how you get on [09:31] bigcalm: Unfortunatley my passport is not currently accessible for the last part of the form :( [09:32] you need a passport? [09:32] Some form of government based ID [09:32] * oimon doesn't have a passport [09:33] hmm, tempted to do that when i get home, need to dig out my passport anyway [09:33] daubers: surely you can expect to pay £10? [09:34] Daviey: Thought that was for FOI requests [09:34] (didn't think this was FoI) [09:35] Nah [09:36] I assume it's a Subject Access Request [09:37] Daviey: TBH it'd be worth it for this part of the info "knowledge of the logic involved in any automatic processing of data concerning him at least in the case of the automated decisions referred to in Article 15(1);" [09:37] http://www.dataprotection.ie/viewdoc.asp?DocID=93 [09:37] who are you really annoying with that though? "facebook" or the poor people that have to sit and do it [09:37] daubers: .ie ? [09:39] Daviey: They're part of the EU too..... [09:40] daubers: Hmm, rather than £10 is claims it requires a pot of gold? [09:40] Daviey: To the end of the rainbow!! [09:41] Morning all [09:41] moring popey [09:41] o/ [09:42] morning [09:42] MooDoo, Why are you tying popey up to the waters edge? [09:42] oimon: these are good general purpoise locks http://www.amazon.co.uk/BabyDan-8247-98-75-Child-Safety-Multi-Lock/dp/B000MLMGE0/ref=sr_1_5?s=baby&ie=UTF8&qid=1317202874&sr=1-5 [09:42] Morning popey [09:42] selinuxium: badum tish....lol [09:43] Hi popey, and what time do you call this? [09:43] MooDoo, :) I have to get my humour started.. need more coffee... :) [09:43] AlanBell, hey there [09:44] good morning popey, selinuxium [09:44] Hey HippyChick, long time no see. :) You good? [09:45] o/ selinuxium [09:45] yeah, on a train to selby at the moment [09:45] good morning everyone. [09:45] Who is going to the release party then? [09:46] HippyChick, I suppose someone has to... :) [09:46] yeah, i lost the argument, quite literally [09:48] doesnt look like i can go to the release party either :( about time i get home and get a train to london it will be time to go home again [09:48] HippyChick, I think there is a Leeds party, might be easier to get to? [09:49] if its tonight then yeah, im going back home tonight though, which is maidstone [09:50] A quick question if I may and apologies if the answer is obvious, but a project that claims to be open source but doesn't state what licence and offers no download links on it's website isn't really open source, is it? [09:51] http://openeyes.org.uk <-- this one [09:51] can you get a copy of the source code? [09:52] you don't need to have download links to be open source. you just have to make the source available to people who receive the binaries from you [09:52] gord: by looking through one the pdf's under documentation I found on one page a git repo, but still no licence [09:53] shauno, actually no thats gpl [09:53] https://github.com/openeyes/OpenEyes.git [09:54] any vsftpd experts availabler? [09:54] "open source" really just means that the source code is open, its viewable [09:54] abler... hehe [09:54] ;-) [09:54] morning all [09:54] Nice [09:54] * davmor2 runs up and hugs czajkowski [09:54] sat listening to spotify and my laptop suspends [09:55] * davmor2 slap MooDoo a high five [09:55] daubers: running oneiric? [09:55] davmor2: Yup [09:55] i'v found that the gnome power control thingy doesn't listen to a word i say recently [09:55] daubers: yeap gnome's new aggressive suspend system [09:56] gord: agreed [09:57] * daubers sets it to _not_ suspend when on mains [09:58] Does anyone know of a good book to learn PHP5/MySQL for web-coding? Preferably one that won't cost a bomb? :) [09:59] sitepoint ones are ok [09:59] not sure about cost as i got given them [09:59] kirrus: o'rly do good books on the subject [10:05] WordPress debugging can be a chore. A server has been upgraded from php 5.2 to 5.3. This has broken a theme or plugin for one WordPress site on the server (others work). Buggered if I can get it to tell me what's broken [10:06] kirrus: there was a very good html/php/db book that was on planet ubuntu a why ago I'll see if I can track it down for you [10:07] Cool! :) I learnt using Larry Ullman's books, but he's got a weird mix of techs in his versions (php5/mysql4, php6/mysql5), and I don't want to subject my friend to that :) [10:08] bigcalm: turn on debug mode, in wordpress? [10:08] kirrus: yep, didn't help :) [10:09] I think I've tracked down the plugin at fault [10:12] bigcalm, I am putting together my first wordpress site.. [10:12] selinuxium: creating a theme from scratch? [10:13] bigcalm, nah I have one from Graph Paper Press. [10:16] bigcalm, this one http://demo.graphpaperpress.com/widescreen/ [10:17] AlanBell: the venue I suggested for the ubuntu happy hour has closed [10:18] Which also means that the Shopshire LUG have to find somewhere else to meet [10:25] selinuxium: You should use mine ;-) http://wordpress.org/extend/themes/open-sourcerer [10:26] I must do a new one when I get a mo... === frz is now known as fr-z [10:52] Question: Does whoever is operating pad.ubuntu-uk.org mind if I use it for non ubuntu-uk related stuffs? (i.e. organising with reading hackspace) [10:53] daubers: that would be daviey [10:53] daubers: you should install etherpad lite, it's super awesome [10:53] it does struggle sometimes [10:54] is it? Has it been ported to 10.04? [10:55] http://mclear.co.uk/2011/08/01/install-etherpad-lite-on-ubuntu/ [10:56] I've always used this guys instructions, seems to work well [10:57] Not sure my VPS would cope particularly well with all the other stuff it does too [10:57] * daubers ponders cloudy stuffs [10:58] etherpad seems handy [10:59] etherpad lite is featureless [10:59] regular etherpad is INSANE and runs three copies of OOo in the background [11:00] or none, if you don't let it [11:00] still insane though [11:00] Enterprise(tm) Java [11:00] insane good or insane bad? [11:00] oimon: java [11:00] oimon, see above [11:01] oimon, the system requirements cite a gig of ram [11:01] * AlanBell gets back to poking at Alfresco [11:01] some muppet installed Alfresco, on Windows, with MSSQL [11:03] ah.. "Etherpad Lite is an almost complete rewrite of the original Etherpad software, based on different technical foundations and written by different authors. While the original EtherPad is written in Scala and has quite bigsystem requirements, Etherpad Lite is written in server-side JavaScript using node.js." [11:03] Daviey: ping [11:04] daubers: etherpad lite is very lite [11:04] is the pad.ubuntu-uk.org an etherpad or etherpad lite? [11:04] i ran it on my microserver [11:04] etherpad [11:04] as is pad.ubuntu.com [11:04] * oimon has resources to burn [11:05] but that has been interfered with [11:05] i need to investigate plan B when my new overlords enforce sharepoint [11:05] popey: Will be more of a "Can I use it for such as an interim arrangement until I get back of hols in a few weeks and have time to sort something else" :) [11:07] well... [11:07] 11:18:18 < pitti> moved our etherpad to pad.ubuntu.com, which is hopefully more stable [11:08] popey: Which channel was that? [11:08] * AlanBell gets a parcel from Hong Kong [11:10] #ubuntu-release [11:10] ok [11:11] so if i have spare resources, is etherpad fat preferred over lite? [11:12] depends what you want to do with i [11:12] *it [11:13] if you just want it as a place to edit docus together and then copy/paste out to a real doc then either [11:13] hey popey o/ [11:14] lo [11:14] * dogmatic69 got the vinyl cutter working on ubuntu :) [11:14] yay [11:15] had some help from MartijnVdS, but after ubuntu was detecting it and i ditched tuxplot it pretty much works out the box [11:21] AlanBell, so is pad.ubuntu.com available for general team usage or only via a UDS session? === kris_ is now known as Guest85748 [11:34] w [11:36] OK. [11:40] sagaci: as long as you don't get in the way of the UDS pads I don't think anyone cares [11:41] yeah, thought so [11:43] czajkowski: you can learn about the internet! http://www.siliconrepublic.com/new-media/item/23771-1-8m-scheme-to-help-40-000/ [11:53] heh [11:54] train 40k people at £47 each. sounds like there will be 40k new sys admins soon [12:00] dogmatic69: nah, 23,000 will be silver surfers (or your mum & dad). Arrrgggghhhh! [12:00] :D [12:01] seems like its the same as putting 1.8m in a hole, adding some petrol and lighting it. [12:03] Could be worse. You could give it to the banks. [12:47] daubers: o/ [12:49] Daviey: \o/ Mind if I use the pad.ubuntu-uk.org etherpad for some reading hackspace stuff until I can get something else set up? [12:50] daubers: sure.. it's been a little poorly at times, but i don't mind. [12:50] is that google wave stuff? [12:50] Daviey: Poorly how? Running out of capacity? Or just etherpad crazyness creaking at it's hinges? [12:51] daubers: I think it just needs some housekeeping, tweaking [12:52] Ah, okies :) [12:58] hmmmmmmmm smeone nicked one of my customer's domain names :( [12:59] :( [12:59] boooo was it expired? [12:59] no [12:59] how'd they nick it? [12:59] com/net/orf? [12:59] they must have rang up 1and1, done a bit of identity theft, and just asked them to transfer it [12:59] co.uk [12:59] nice [12:59] contact nominet, they can get it back [13:00] the perp has ut his hotmail.co.uk address on the squatting page he's put up [13:00] nominet should be able to get it back for them no probs [13:00] the registrar is still 1and1 [13:00] they've just updated the dns to point to another provider [13:00] so looks like we're still in control and can just cahnge it back [13:00] exept 1and1 control panel is giving 500 error [13:01] lol ah good old 1and1 [13:01] is there a way to disable the numberpad moving the mouse? i keep turning it off and it keep turning back on some how [13:01] xD [13:01] ali1234: set up a box on aws and DDos him till he gives it back [13:02] dogmatic69: he's not actually got it, just made 1and1 change the nameservers [13:02] lol [13:02] that is lame [13:02] i keep getting letters from the domain registrar of america telling me my domains are about to expire :) [13:03] MooDoo: quick, send your details so they dont [13:03] dogmatic69: they are on my todo list, i'm just sending people from nigeria my bank details at the moment [13:04] ah, nice. i sent mine off last week. waiting to hear back now [13:04]