[05:35] maco: Does the accessibility stuff in glade allow for setting relationships between labels and other widgets? [07:17] bug 854516 is fix released, which in theory should be the "button" issue in the dash [07:17] Launchpad bug 854516 in unity-2d "[launcher] LauncherItem's accessibilityName is only evaluated on runtime" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/854516 === API is now known as Guest44672 [08:47] http://pad.ubuntu.com/oneirica11y [08:48] Pendulum: charlie-tca: skaet: I am making a start on an article and release notes for accessibility http://pad.ubuntu.com/oneirica11y === Guest44672 is now known as apinheiro [10:50] AlanBell: ta! [10:52] we can nibble away at that up to the release day [10:53] dunno if the last big fixes made it into todays live CD but they should be in tomorrow === API is now known as Guest86389 === Guest86389 is now known as apinheiro_afk [14:21] AlanBell, :) looks good. Would like to reference it from the overview release notes. Is there a predicted link? [14:23] http://ubuntuaccessibility.wordpress.com/2011/10/13/oneiric-ocelot [14:23] AlanBell, coolio. :) [14:23] unless the "13" bit is wrong! [14:23] Thank you. [14:23] :) [15:33] TheMuso: yes [15:33] TheMuso: thats why i got rid of the code that was doing it programmatically === maco2 is now known as Guest91840 === Guest91840 is now known as maco [18:54] I just heard that Chromium is replacing Firefox as the default browser in Ubuntu 11.10. Is this the case? I'm getting mixed messages from my Google search. [18:56] BTW, I didn't hear this from a trustworty source. [18:56] My concern is that Chromium isn't accessible yet. [18:58] SeaJay: some of the derivatives have moved to Chromium, but Ubuntu will have firefox and thunderbird [18:59] SeaJay: to put your mind at ease, the changes documentated in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricOcelot/TechnicalOverview/Beta2 are what will be there. [18:59] charlie-tca: Ah, thanks! [19:00] SeaJay: you are welcome [21:06] updating my oneiric vm to try typing in the 3d dash with onboard [21:07] right yeah, should do the thing with the testing the new ubiquity tonight... [21:08] running screen-reader install now, here [21:09] i hope i didnt make it worse :-/ [21:10] great! desktop showed up, compiz crashed [21:10] Oh, better now. desktop disappeared [21:11] Does unity respawn compiz? it has now crashed two times [21:11] Hm, fewer crashes than last time I did this [21:13] im interested in what the Wireless page of Ubiquity will do [21:13] i see GtkRadioButtons. they do not have atk "labelled-by" settings, BUT their labels are marked as properties of them rather than being separate labels (as was the problem with the partitioner) [21:14] No wireless here [21:16] oh yeah thatd probably require doing a hardware install huh? -_- [21:17] that might make it time for my netbook to get an upgrade [21:19] compiz crash shows fixed 5 hours ago, didn't make this image [22:11] * AlanBell hits the compiz crash [22:12] 2d still starts which is good [22:18] searching for accessibility works [22:22] Compiz... *sigh* [22:28] quite spectacularly broken considering where we are in the cycle [22:30] but supposed to be fixed this morning [22:30] Hopefully, tomorrow's images will work [22:31] they should have ubiquity in them at least [22:38] There was a compiz update in the last 12 hours or so that fixed a *LOT* of crashers... [22:38] Yeah, according to the bug report, this crash was fixed about 6 hours ago [22:39] * TheMuso checks the build status of the latest compiz upload. [22:40] Built everywhere. [22:40] And published. [22:40] I think that fix broke it all [22:40] but no respin for the images [22:40] But not on images yet. [22:40] charlie-tca: They don't manually respin unless its a release time. [22:40] right [22:40] bug 862743 [22:40] Launchpad bug 862743 in unity "Desktop drawn with offset" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/862743 [22:41] that bug is causing screen corruption and offset desktops and in all probability the crashes we are seeing [22:42] The compiz/nux/unity stack is too fragile for my liking. [22:44] compiz used to be pretty solid, but now changing anything makes it crash and it takes out the whole desktop now [22:44] Yep, used to be written in C, now in C++. [22:46] Although the language probably doesn't have anything to do with it. [22:46] However the rewrite certainly could introduce problems. [22:49] bring back beryl :) [22:50] lol [22:52] ooh crap [22:53] maximising onboard is a very very bad idea [22:54] Oh, yeah [22:54] There is a bug report about it. very difficult to resize now [22:55] AlanBell: Bug 859288 [22:55] Launchpad bug 859288 in onboard "full-screen onboard keyboard commandeers entire desktop" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/859288 [23:06] that bug is pretty horrible [23:08] Well, at some point, those with the power need to realize the less time given to try a11y, the fewer bugs they get fixed concerning a11y [23:10] oh no, now onboard starts full screen :( [23:10] That's what the bug report said, too [23:10] however, on the plus side you can start onboard from lightdm and enter the password [23:11] but you can't easily get it to resize after it goes full size [23:11] yeah, don't know what I am going to do about that! [23:12] I guess when 3d works again I could resize it from there maybe [23:12] screen reader from lightdm doesn't work [23:13] high contrast is nice [23:17] well I am off to bed, hopefully compiz will work tomorrow [23:32] AlanBell: screen reader from lightdm is known. [23:32] A bug against the greeter was filed a while back. [23:32] I referred to that bug yesterday.