[05:35] <TheMuso> maco: Does the accessibility stuff in glade allow for setting relationships between labels and other widgets?
[07:17] <AlanBell> bug 854516 is fix released, which in theory should be the "button" issue in the dash
[07:17] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 854516 in unity-2d "[launcher] LauncherItem's accessibilityName is only evaluated on runtime" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/854516
[08:47] <AlanBell> http://pad.ubuntu.com/oneirica11y
[08:48] <AlanBell> Pendulum: charlie-tca: skaet: I am making a start on an article and release notes for accessibility http://pad.ubuntu.com/oneirica11y
[10:50] <Pendulum> AlanBell: ta!
[10:52] <AlanBell> we can nibble away at that up to the release day
[10:53] <AlanBell> dunno if the last big fixes made it into todays live CD but they should be in tomorrow
[14:21] <skaet> AlanBell, :)  looks good.    Would like to reference it from the overview release notes.  Is there a predicted link?
[14:23] <AlanBell> http://ubuntuaccessibility.wordpress.com/2011/10/13/oneiric-ocelot
[14:23] <skaet> AlanBell, coolio.  :)
[14:23] <AlanBell> unless the "13" bit is wrong!
[14:23] <skaet>   Thank you.
[14:23] <skaet> :)
[15:33] <maco> TheMuso: yes
[15:33] <maco> TheMuso: thats why i got rid of the code that was doing it programmatically
[18:54] <SeaJay> I just heard that Chromium is replacing Firefox as the default browser in Ubuntu 11.10. Is this the case? I'm getting mixed messages from my Google search.
[18:56] <SeaJay> BTW, I didn't hear this from a trustworty source.
[18:56] <SeaJay> My concern is that Chromium isn't accessible yet.
[18:58] <charlie-tca> SeaJay: some of the derivatives have moved to Chromium, but Ubuntu will have firefox and thunderbird
[18:59] <charlie-tca> SeaJay: to put your mind at ease, the changes documentated in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricOcelot/TechnicalOverview/Beta2 are what will be there.
[18:59] <SeaJay> charlie-tca: Ah, thanks!
[19:00] <charlie-tca> SeaJay: you are welcome
[21:06] <AlanBell> updating my oneiric vm to try typing in the 3d dash with onboard
[21:07] <maco> right yeah, should do the thing with the testing the new ubiquity tonight...
[21:08] <charlie-tca> running screen-reader install now, here
[21:09] <maco> i hope i didnt make it worse :-/
[21:10] <charlie-tca> great! desktop showed up, compiz crashed
[21:10] <charlie-tca> Oh, better now. desktop disappeared
[21:11] <charlie-tca> Does unity respawn compiz? it has now crashed two times
[21:11] <charlie-tca> Hm, fewer crashes than last time I did this
[21:13] <maco> im interested in what the Wireless page of Ubiquity will do
[21:13] <maco> i see GtkRadioButtons. they do not have atk "labelled-by" settings, BUT their labels are marked as properties of them rather than being separate labels (as was the problem with the partitioner)
[21:14] <charlie-tca> No wireless here
[21:16] <maco> oh yeah thatd probably require doing a hardware install huh? -_-
[21:17] <maco> that might make it time for my netbook to get an upgrade
[21:19] <charlie-tca> compiz crash shows fixed 5 hours ago, didn't make this image
[22:11]  * AlanBell hits the compiz crash
[22:12] <AlanBell> 2d still starts which is good
[22:18] <AlanBell> searching for accessibility works
[22:22] <TheMuso> Compiz... *sigh*
[22:28] <AlanBell> quite spectacularly broken considering where we are in the cycle
[22:30] <charlie-tca> but supposed to be fixed this morning
[22:30] <charlie-tca> Hopefully, tomorrow's images will work
[22:31] <AlanBell> they should have ubiquity in them at least
[22:38] <TheMuso> There was a compiz update in the last 12 hours or so that fixed a *LOT* of crashers...
[22:38] <charlie-tca> Yeah, according to the bug report, this crash was fixed about 6 hours ago
[22:39]  * TheMuso checks the build status of the latest compiz upload.
[22:40] <TheMuso> Built everywhere.
[22:40] <TheMuso> And published.
[22:40] <AlanBell> I think that fix broke it all
[22:40] <charlie-tca> but no respin for the images
[22:40] <TheMuso> But not on images yet.
[22:40] <TheMuso> charlie-tca: They don't manually respin unless its a release time.
[22:40] <charlie-tca> right
[22:40] <AlanBell> bug 862743
[22:40] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 862743 in unity "Desktop drawn with offset" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/862743
[22:41] <AlanBell> that bug is causing screen corruption and offset desktops and in all probability the crashes we are seeing
[22:42] <TheMuso> The compiz/nux/unity stack is too fragile for my liking.
[22:44] <AlanBell> compiz used to be pretty solid, but now changing anything makes it crash and it takes out the whole desktop now
[22:44] <TheMuso> Yep, used to be written in C, now in C++.
[22:46] <TheMuso> Although the language probably doesn't have anything to do with it.
[22:46] <TheMuso> However the rewrite certainly could introduce problems.
[22:49] <AlanBell> bring back beryl :)
[22:50] <TheMuso> lol
[22:52] <AlanBell> ooh crap
[22:53] <AlanBell> maximising onboard is a very very bad idea
[22:54] <charlie-tca> Oh, yeah
[22:54] <charlie-tca> There is a bug report about it. very difficult to resize now
[22:55] <charlie-tca> AlanBell: Bug 859288
[22:55] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 859288 in onboard "full-screen onboard keyboard commandeers entire desktop" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/859288
[23:06] <AlanBell> that bug is pretty horrible
[23:08] <charlie-tca> Well, at some point, those with the power need to realize the less time given to try a11y, the fewer bugs they get fixed concerning a11y
[23:10] <AlanBell> oh no, now onboard starts full screen :(
[23:10] <charlie-tca> That's what the bug report said, too
[23:10] <AlanBell> however, on the plus side you can start onboard from lightdm and enter the password
[23:11] <charlie-tca> but you can't easily get it to resize after it goes full size
[23:11] <AlanBell> yeah, don't know what I am going to do about that!
[23:12] <AlanBell> I guess when 3d works again I could resize it from there maybe
[23:12] <AlanBell> screen reader from lightdm doesn't work
[23:13] <AlanBell> high contrast is nice
[23:17] <AlanBell> well I am off to bed, hopefully compiz will work tomorrow
[23:32] <TheMuso> AlanBell: screen reader from lightdm is known.
[23:32] <TheMuso> A bug against the greeter was filed a while back.
[23:32] <TheMuso> I referred to that bug yesterday.