| TheMuso | ROFL at bug 861710 | 00:12 |
|---|---|---|
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 861710 in unity "[regression] smspillaz fails to sleep at proper hours, despite solar status" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/861710 | 00:12 |
| jasoncwarner_ | lol...nice bug | 00:35 |
| bryceh | heh | 00:37 |
| TheMuso | Yeah I thought so too. | 00:48 |
| DBO | jasoncwarner_, you here? | 00:55 |
| DBO | *anyone* from desktop team? | 00:58 |
| RAOF | Yes? | 00:58 |
| DBO | I have a patch for compiz I think | 00:59 |
| DBO | to fix this | 00:59 |
| DBO | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/861793 | 00:59 |
| ubot2 | Ubuntu bug 861793 in unity "compiz crashed with SIGSEGV in PrivateWindow::addWindowStackChanges()" [Critical,Confirmed] | 00:59 |
| DBO | what do I do? | 00:59 |
| RAOF | You can attach that patch to the bug. | 01:02 |
| bryceh | DBO, bzr clone lp:compiz ; add your patch and a changelog entry ; upload a branch ; propose for merging | 01:02 |
| RAOF | And ping didrocks when he comes online, I think. | 01:02 |
| bryceh | yeah or just tack it to the bug :-) | 01:02 |
| RAOF | He'll be awake and in a position to upload before final freeze. | 01:02 |
| DBO | okay | 01:03 |
| DBO | testing the fix now | 01:03 |
| TheMuso | c | 01:06 |
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| jasoncwarner_ | DBO: yeah, back...keep losing my internet today. effing telstra | 01:34 |
| jasoncwarner_ | bryceh cyphermox RAOF anyone able to lend DBO a hand? being time sensitive, it owuld be great if we can get him some package help before he goes to sleep | 01:41 |
| bryceh | jasoncwarner_, yeah we gave him some pointers | 01:41 |
| DBO | yeah | 01:42 |
| DBO | I do apt-get source compiz-core | 01:42 |
| DBO | then I go into the source | 01:42 |
| DBO | make my changes | 01:42 |
| DBO | apt-get build-dep compiz-core | 01:42 |
| DBO | and then I run | 01:42 |
| bryceh | jasoncwarner_, jason smith has commented on the bugs | 01:42 |
| DBO | dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -us -uc | 01:42 |
| DBO | thats me | 01:42 |
| DBO | but it always fails at: Linking CXX shared library ../../lib/libkde.so | 01:42 |
| bryceh | DBO, oh there you are. odd username | 01:43 |
| DBO | bryceh, this is my username from the days of yore | 01:43 |
| DBO | I only switched to Jason on Canonical IRC | 01:43 |
| DBO | becuase it was available | 01:43 |
| bryceh | hmm, I don't usually use dpkg-buildpackage but that seems like it ought to work | 01:44 |
| bryceh | DBO, try instead debuild -uc -us | 01:44 |
| DBO | k | 01:44 |
| bryceh | note you may want to make a second copy of your tree | 01:44 |
| bryceh | since that'll do all the building locally in-tree | 01:44 |
| DBO | its a linking issue of some sort... | 01:45 |
| bryceh | seems odd it would link against libkde.so | 01:45 |
| DBO | it makes a lib called libkde.so | 01:45 |
| bryceh | ah | 01:46 |
| bryceh | luckily that won't cause any confusion | 01:46 |
| DBO | why use debuild | 01:47 |
| DBO | just curious | 01:47 |
| bryceh | actually for my workflow I generally only do debuild -S, and then do the actual package building using pbuilder | 01:47 |
| bryceh | dunno if that's the best method but that's what I was taught | 01:48 |
| DBO | bryceh, http://paste2.org/p/1678077 | 01:48 |
| bryceh | multiarch issue? | 01:48 |
| DBO | I have no idea | 01:49 |
| bryceh | it sort of looks like it's failing when trying to link against 32-bit libs, when it should be using the 64-bit ones | 01:49 |
| bryceh | RAOF might have more clue than I here | 01:49 |
| DBO | you mean the glib thing? | 01:49 |
| DBO | that happens every time it tries to link | 01:50 |
| DBO | it happily builds 100 other things against glib :/ | 01:50 |
| bryceh | hmm, well it looks like in this case you're linking with stuff like /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQtCore.so which I'm guessing isn't compatible with 32-bit stuff | 01:50 |
| DBO | why would I be linking against 32 bit stuff at all? | 01:51 |
| bryceh | no idea | 01:51 |
| DBO | yeah | 01:51 |
| DBO | I dont think thats the case :/ | 01:51 |
| bryceh | well, more correct question is, it's not linking against that, it's skipping it, but then it's returning as if it's failed | 01:52 |
| bryceh | so, why isn't it finding and linking against /lib/libglib-2.0.so | 01:52 |
| bryceh | does that file exist on your system? | 01:52 |
| DBO | the skipping isn't the error | 01:52 |
| bryceh | ok, then what's the error? | 01:53 |
| RAOF | Huh. Yeah, there's no error in that log. | 01:53 |
| DBO | http://paste2.org/p/1678080 | 01:54 |
| DBO | it doesn't report an error | 01:54 |
| bryceh | you know, it's linking in a whole mess of kde gunk | 01:54 |
| RAOF | DBO: Can you throw your source tree anywhere? | 01:55 |
| bryceh | like /usr/lib/libkdeui.so.5.7.0 /usr/lib/libkdecore.so.5.7.0, etc. | 01:55 |
| RAOF | DBO: Alternatively, just throw your patch somewhere? :) | 01:55 |
| RAOF | We'll happily build packages for you. | 01:55 |
| DBO | RAOF, http://paste2.org/p/1678088 | 01:57 |
| DBO | I wish I knew why my packages wont build... | 01:57 |
| DBO | RAOF, so uh, you building me debs? | 02:08 |
| RAOF | Yes. | 02:08 |
| RAOF | Just fighting with paste2 a little :) | 02:08 |
| RAOF | You want amd64 or i386? | 02:08 |
| DBO | amd64 | 02:09 |
| DBO | RAOF, how much longer on those packages buddy :) | 02:16 |
| RAOF | Less time if compiz hadn't been rewritten in C++ :P | 02:16 |
| RAOF | 35% done. | 02:16 |
| RAOF | (So, not long) | 02:17 |
| RAOF | DBO: Debs now in people.canonical.com/~chrishr Sorry for the delay! | 02:26 |
| DBO | RAOF, gratzi | 02:26 |
| DBO | how did you build that btw | 02:27 |
| RAOF | debuild -S -us -uc; sbuild -d oneiric-tmpfs -j5 | 02:27 |
| DBO | yay the fix works | 02:40 |
| RAOF | Woot! | 02:42 |
| RAOF | DBO: How safe is that fix? | 02:45 |
| DBO | RAOF, safe as hells | 02:45 |
| DBO | but hold up on pushing that further just a moment | 02:45 |
| RAOF | I'll upload it now? oh, ok. I won't upload it now then :) | 02:45 |
| bryceh | jasoncwarner_, you still around? | 02:47 |
| bryceh | jasoncwarner_, ok, will email instead | 02:48 |
| DBO | RAOF, https://code.launchpad.net/~compiz-team/compiz-core/compiz-core.fix_861793/+merge/77431 | 03:03 |
| DBO | we are going with that delta I am pretty sure | 03:03 |
| RAOF | DBO: Ok. I'll head off for lunch, and upload a new compiz with that applied once I get back, unless (a) someone picks it up first, or (b) I hear otherwise from you. | 03:05 |
| bryceh | http://people.canonical.com/~bryce/ExternalMonitor/results.html | 03:21 |
| DBO | bryceh, is there a TL;DR for that? | 03:23 |
| bryceh | DBO, "external monitor configuration sucks" | 03:23 |
| DBO | bryceh, just FYI | 03:24 |
| DBO | in this next unity release | 03:24 |
| DBO | unity will ALWAYS go to the left most monitor | 03:24 |
| DBO | if there are 2 left most minitors | 03:24 |
| DBO | it will go to the lowest one | 03:25 |
| DBO | bryceh, are any of those issues you are reporting our problem really? | 03:25 |
| DBO | other than the launcher being afraid of the monitor identifiers | 03:26 |
| bryceh | DBO, hard to say what exactly is at fault for some of these problems | 03:26 |
| bryceh | some are the config tool, some unity or compiz | 03:27 |
| DBO | can you maybe try to identify cases where we (compiz/unity) are likely the problem? | 03:27 |
| bryceh | DBO, that first one where you get double indicator menus feels unity-ish | 03:27 |
| bryceh | DBO, how do you mean? | 03:28 |
| DBO | that one is fucking impressive | 03:28 |
| DBO | I have no idea whats happening there | 03:28 |
| DBO | from the looks of it | 03:28 |
| bryceh | it's quite reproducible | 03:28 |
| DBO | bryceh, you know what would *really* help this | 03:28 |
| DBO | take a physical photo each time | 03:29 |
| DBO | but also a screenshot | 03:29 |
| DBO | so we can see the framebuffer layout | 03:29 |
| bryceh | ok, can do | 03:29 |
| DBO | it looks like those monitors are overlapped | 03:29 |
| DBO | somehow | 03:29 |
| DBO | so when the smaller monitor paints, it clobbers the top monitors paint | 03:29 |
| bryceh | I was surprised I never repro'd that bug using the gui tool | 03:31 |
| DBO | bryceh, are you going to the pre-uds thing? | 03:34 |
| bryceh | no, I'm not | 03:34 |
| DBO | bryceh, when do you arrive at UDS? | 03:36 |
| bryceh | late sunday I think | 03:37 |
| * bryceh -> EOD + vacation. cya next week. | 03:45 | |
| pitti | Good morning | 04:18 |
| pitti | dobey: just by pointing at a core file, no; interesting idea, though; you'd have to make a couple of assumptions for this, like "the package did not change underneath" | 04:18 |
| pitti | kirkland: pong | 04:19 |
| pitti | jbicha: retrying gnome-shell powerpc build, mutter wasn't built at that time yet | 04:24 |
| jbicha | pitti: thanks | 04:27 |
| pitti | cyphermox: oh, so you tracked down the libnl issue? congrats! | 04:34 |
| DBO | I got past the KDE linking thing | 04:52 |
| DBO | but now everytime I try to package its looking for a desktop file | 04:52 |
| DBO | thats frankly not there | 04:52 |
| DBO | (in fact we explicitly patch out) | 04:52 |
| jbicha | pitti: could you sync anjuta-extras 3.2 from sid? | 05:24 |
| pitti | jbicha: done | 05:26 |
| didrocks | good morning | 05:40 |
| pitti | didrocks: it's all your phault! | 05:41 |
| * pitti hugs didrocks | 05:41 | |
| didrocks | pitti: snif, what happened? :p | 05:41 |
| pitti | didrocks: now both DBO and I have an extra knot in our brain | 05:41 |
| pitti | :) | 05:41 |
| * didrocks doesn't understand, I'm either out of context or not awake :) | 05:42 | |
| pitti | didrocks: sorry, talking in other channel | 05:43 |
| pitti | didrocks: so, we were wondering about /usr/share/applications/compiz.desktop | 05:43 |
| pitti | didrocks: compiz-core installs that | 05:43 |
| pitti | didrocks: but debian/patches/091_no_use_gnome_but_desktop_file.patch actually seems to make an effort of patching the upstream build system to not install it | 05:43 |
| didrocks | hum, I was thinking that this one is deactivated now | 05:44 |
| * didrocks checks | 05:44 | |
| pitti | didrocks: but then again, debian/compiz-core.install does install it | 05:44 |
| pitti | didrocks: the package built fine on the builders, but fails for DBO as dh_install doesn't find the file | 05:44 |
| pitti | didrocks: so it seems the patch worked on DBO's box, but failed somehow on teh builders | 05:44 |
| pitti | didrocks: so, some questions: | 05:44 |
| pitti | - do we need the file or not? (It has NoDisplay=true) | 05:45 |
| pitti | - is it meant to be built (then the patch probably souhld be dropped), or not? (then it should be dropped from *.install) | 05:45 |
| didrocks | we need the file otherwise gnome-session can't start the wm | 05:45 |
| pitti | - can I have some hot chocolate? | 05:45 |
| didrocks | - this patch was there because compiz cmake insane build system was failing at some point with the GNOME integration | 05:46 |
| didrocks | I didn't receive any FTBFS? :/ | 05:46 |
| didrocks | and it's built? | 05:46 |
| pitti | pitti | didrocks: the package built fine on the builders, but fails for DBO as dh_install doesn't find the file | 05:47 |
| pitti | didrocks: welcome to our confusion :) | 05:47 |
| pitti | didrocks: I was suspecting a build system race condition | 05:47 |
| RAOF | It also builds fine here. | 05:48 |
| pitti | didrocks: I have no idea about cmake, so is it possible that the package already ships pre-made Makefiles which sometimes are rebuilt and sometimes aren't? | 05:48 |
| DBO | RAOF, I think because you used a different build method | 05:48 |
| didrocks | he needs | 05:48 |
| didrocks | gnome-window-settings-2.0 | 05:48 |
| didrocks | gnome-desktop-2.0 | 05:48 |
| didrocks | so that USE_GNOME is set to true | 05:48 |
| didrocks | and then, to go to the patch path | 05:48 |
| pitti | similar to patches in the past which patched Makefile.in and Makefile.am at the same time, and depending on whether or not the file system supported sub-second resolution the build would fail because of missing automake or not? | 05:48 |
| didrocks | he also need | 05:48 |
| didrocks | xrender>=0.8.4 | 05:49 |
| didrocks | gtk+-2.0>=2.18.0 | 05:49 |
| didrocks | libwnck-1.0 | 05:49 |
| didrocks | pangocairo | 05:49 |
| pitti | didrocks: but dpkg-buildpackage complains if there's a missing build dep, no? | 05:49 |
| didrocks | pitti: nothing with that kind of thing with cmake | 05:49 |
| didrocks | yeah, normally, it should | 05:49 |
| didrocks | and debian/rules set the needed bits | 05:50 |
| didrocks | pitti: anyway, so to sum up: | 05:50 |
| didrocks | 1. this patch is because compiz cmake is totally broken, in different way | 05:50 |
| DBO | didrocks, shouldn't apt-get build-dep give me all those things | 05:50 |
| didrocks | 2. the file is needed | 05:50 |
| didrocks | DBO: yeah, it should | 05:50 |
| DBO | because I have them all | 05:51 |
| DBO | I still have to remove the patch to build | 05:51 |
| didrocks | DBO: removing the patch fails on buildds | 05:52 |
| RAOF | Yeah, the compiz build seems quite fragile; it's failed while likning libkde.so here (outside a build chroot) | 05:52 |
| DBO | yeah you have to uninstall ia32-libs to make it work | 05:53 |
| RAOF | That actually fails the build? What a crock. | 05:53 |
| DBO | yep | 05:53 |
| DBO | its pretty cool | 05:53 |
| TheMuso | Extoling the virtues of Cmake... Um, what did I just say? Excuse me. :) | 05:53 |
| pitti | wow, you still have ia32-libs installed? Out of interest, what for? | 05:54 |
| RAOF | cmake: we hated autotools, so we did something *even worse* | 05:54 |
| pitti | (i. e. should we make an effort to multiarch-ify a particular library to stop the need for it) | 05:54 |
| DBO | pitti, skype | 05:54 |
| DBO | you cant install skype without it | 05:54 |
| pitti | DBO: doesn't need ia32-libs any more | 05:54 |
| DBO | how? | 05:54 |
| RAOF | You shouldn't need it for skype - install skype:i386 | 05:54 |
| didrocks | DBO: that's what multiarch is for! | 05:54 |
| pitti | DBO: I thought flashplugin and skype are pretty much the only two things people ever need ia32-libs for | 05:54 |
| RAOF | pitti: wine still needs ia32-libs | 05:55 |
| pitti | RAOF: ah, ok; three then (I don't have wine installed) | 05:55 |
| DBO | coool | 05:55 |
| pitti | unfortunately the amd64 skype package still exists, and hasn't been updated yet | 05:55 |
| pitti | it shoudl be removed, or made so that it magically installs skype:amd64 | 05:55 |
| pitti | erm, skype:i386 | 05:55 |
| pitti | but that'd require another package name | 05:56 |
| RAOF | And libgl1-mesa-dri:i386 isn't properly installable due to libpciaccess0 not being multiarched in Ubuntu. :/ | 05:56 |
| didrocks | DBO: pitti: ah got it! | 05:56 |
| pitti | HEUREKA! | 05:56 |
| didrocks | so building with USE_GNOME had been broken for 3 months now | 05:56 |
| didrocks | so… | 05:56 |
| didrocks | what I do | 05:56 |
| didrocks | is to remove the GNOME build-dep | 05:56 |
| didrocks | then, I added this patch initially to still ship the needed .desktop file with ELSE(HAS_GNOME) | 05:56 |
| didrocks | and have the desktop file installed if you are or not in the HAS_GNOME part | 05:57 |
| didrocks | this was committed upstream differently | 05:57 |
| didrocks | with repeating the same chunk of code in else(HAS_GNOME) | 05:57 |
| pitti | fun | 05:57 |
| didrocks | so, basically, we don't build with HAS_GNOME in the package | 05:58 |
| didrocks | (which rely on build-dep, I guess you have a build-dep instaled that we don't have in the package) | 05:58 |
| didrocks | now, on the patch refresh, let me check | 05:58 |
| didrocks | so dbarth refreshed the patch in 1:0.9.4+bzr20110606-0ubuntu6 | 05:59 |
| didrocks | I guess he didn't see that the upstream patch was partially committed and make this patch useless | 05:59 |
| didrocks | but anyway, don't build with HAS_GNOME, it's bringing you issues :) | 05:59 |
| didrocks | *phew* here is the story :-) | 05:59 |
| pitti | didrocks: thanks for the heads-up; I nearly poked my eyes out this morning :) | 06:02 |
| didrocks | pitti: heh, no worry, here was the initial patch FYI (http://paste.ubuntu.com/698913/) | 06:04 |
| didrocks | pitti: made more sense, didn't repeat a chunk of code but seems upstream wants it differently… | 06:04 |
| RAOF | So, now that we've got that little nugget out of the way, is anyone handling adding the patch from https://code.launchpad.net/~compiz-team/compiz-core/compiz-core.fix_861793/+merge/77431 , or shall I? | 06:09 |
| didrocks | RAOF: no please, don't add smspillaz's patch without a release | 06:16 |
| didrocks | RAOF: we had issues on the past, we only accept tarballs for compiz from dx | 06:16 |
| robert_ancell | didrocks, hey, do you know about this? "update-alternatives: error: alternative path /etc/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter-ubuntu.conf doesn't exist" | 06:19 |
| didrocks | robert_ancell: hum, interesting, is it when reinstalling the same version of lightdm-gtk-greeter? | 06:20 |
| robert_ancell | didrocks, from no version. I was wondering if I had some bad files around, so I removed it completely and tried to reinstall | 06:21 |
| didrocks | robert_ancell: let me try to purge and install | 06:21 |
| robert_ancell | didrocks, I just tried a purge then and it worked. So there must have been something left over from a previous version | 06:22 |
| didrocks | robert_ancell: I'll try installing twice the same version, purging and not purging, 3 min! | 06:22 |
| robert_ancell | false alarm :) | 06:22 |
| didrocks | robert_ancell: oh, you found it? | 06:23 |
| robert_ancell | no, I can't reproduce since I did the purge | 06:23 |
| didrocks | hum, better to check if it's really a local issue that can be handled in postinst | 06:23 |
| jbicha | robert_ancell: is it a bug or a feature that when I select a different session in lightdm to login to but enter the wrong password, my session choice is reverted | 06:23 |
| robert_ancell | I did a double install then uninstall and still no problem | 06:24 |
| didrocks | robert_ancell: yeah, the three cases worked, I guess you had some local cruft | 06:24 |
| robert_ancell | jbicha, no, it should stay the same | 06:24 |
| robert_ancell | jbicha, unity-greeter? | 06:25 |
| jbicha | robert_ancell: yes | 06:25 |
| didrocks | jbicha: thanks a lot for your documentation UIFe ack and for your tremendous patience :) | 06:25 |
| jbicha | robert_ancell: do you want a bug report for it then? | 06:25 |
| robert_ancell | jbicha, yes please | 06:25 |
| robert_ancell | brb... | 06:25 |
| jbicha | didrocks: well hopefully next cycle will be better with UI freeze | 06:27 |
| didrocks | jbicha: I think we need to discuss the process indeed | 06:27 |
| jbicha | we shouldn't have any big transitions unless we do something crazy like port to mutter | 06:27 |
| jibel | good morning | 06:52 |
| pitti | bonjour jibel | 06:52 |
| jibel | guten Morgen pitti | 06:53 |
| jbicha | mm, Pleasant Pheasant sounds good | 06:53 |
| jbicha | it feels a bit late this year for the next name announcement | 06:55 |
| pitti | oh, is it out yet? | 06:55 |
| pitti | yes, traditionally it comes out after beta | 06:56 |
| jbicha | no, I've been spending the past few weeks making up names though | 06:56 |
| * pitti votes for perky penguin | 06:57 | |
| pitti | how many "P" changes will we still have? | 06:57 |
| jbicha | it can't be penguin, that's too obvious! | 06:58 |
| jbicha | pitti: do you need packages to show up in syncpackage first to sync them? | 07:00 |
| pitti | jbicha: I need them to be on the UK debian mirror | 07:01 |
| pitti | we can sync from unapproved, but it's quite a lot of overhead | 07:01 |
| jbicha | ok, then how about fonts-cantarell? | 07:02 |
| pitti | jbicha: new package, needs FFE | 07:02 |
| jbicha | ok, I'll do that | 07:02 |
| robert_ancell | pitti, if you're wondering the lightdm upload I did fixes bug 861398 | 07:06 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 861398 in lightdm "the unity-greeter g-s-d is not stopped when login in since 1.0" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/861398 | 07:06 |
| pitti | oh, nice | 07:06 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: accepted, please close | 07:07 |
| jbicha | bug 862086 | 07:15 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 862086 in ubuntu "[FFe] Please sync fonts-cantarell from Debian sid" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/862086 | 07:15 |
| jasoncwarner_ | hey didrocks care to update me on compiz? dbo said he fixed the latest crasher.... | 07:15 |
| DBO | its being pushed | 07:15 |
| DBO | god help us all | 07:16 |
| didrocks | jasoncwarner_: I'm just restarting on it | 07:16 |
| pitti | bring'em on! thanks DBO | 07:16 |
| jasoncwarner_ | didrocks: awesome... | 07:16 |
| jasoncwarner_ | DBO still up? | 07:16 |
| DBO | jasoncwarner_, its final freeze | 07:16 |
| DBO | where the hell else am I going to be? | 07:16 |
| jasoncwarner_ | DBO: thanks for jumping on that right away... | 07:16 |
| didrocks | jasoncwarner_: seems a lot of dx commits backport and work the last couple of days: pushed 3 Qt, 2 compiz, 2 libunity, 1 nautilus… :-) | 07:17 |
| jasoncwarner_ | DBO: wait, today is final freeze? I thought we had like 3 more months ? ;) | 07:17 |
| DBO | me too | 07:17 |
| DBO | they sprung it on me | 07:17 |
| DBO | like a trap | 07:17 |
| jasoncwarner_ | like a spider monkey? | 07:17 |
| DBO | who knew today was going to be Sept 29th | 07:17 |
| DBO | TOTALLY unpredictable | 07:17 |
| DBO | did not imagine this would happen at all really.. | 07:17 |
| jasoncwarner_ | the mayans knew | 07:18 |
| didrocks | DBO: oh, that's because you couldn't mentally prepare yourself as you couldn't click before last week on the calendar to change month! :) | 07:18 |
| jasoncwarner_ | didrocks: ouch! | 07:18 |
| jasoncwarner_ | :) | 07:18 |
| jasoncwarner_ | bazinga | 07:18 |
| DBO | BAHZING | 07:18 |
| DBO | didrocks, with the headshot | 07:19 |
| didrocks | ETOOMANYITCROWDREFERENCE | 07:19 |
| didrocks | oupss ETOOMANYBIGBANGTHEORYREFERENCE | 07:19 |
| didrocks | rather :) | 07:19 |
| didrocks | ok, I can still make bad jockes, it's a proof that compiz is working :-) | 07:19 |
| didrocks | even after a restart | 07:19 |
| jasoncwarner_ | didrocks: nice! | 07:19 |
| didrocks | ok, let's run it for 10 minutes and then push the crack out of it! | 07:20 |
| jasoncwarner_ | didrocks: you want us to be testing from a PPA or something? | 07:20 |
| didrocks | jasoncwarner_: yeah, that would be nice, one sec, pushing | 07:21 |
| pitti | jbicha: at it | 07:21 |
| mvo | pitti: did the "system proxy settings != session proxy settings" warning get lost when the code moved from the old control center to the new one? | 07:22 |
| mvo | good morning btw :) | 07:22 |
| pitti | mvo: hey | 07:22 |
| pitti | mvo: even worse, seems the latest release drops the entire proxy thing | 07:22 |
| pitti | we have a bug, assigned to rodrigo | 07:22 |
| pitti | mvo: but possible, yes | 07:22 |
| mvo | ok, thanks | 07:22 |
| DBO | didrocks, so uh, if we decide to do a plugins release | 07:23 |
| DBO | what does that mean to you | 07:23 |
| didrocks | DBO: jasoncwarner_: compiz should magically appear in the ubuntu-desktop ppa shortly for you, yours sincerly, didrocks | 07:23 |
| DBO | my dearest didrocks | 07:23 |
| jasoncwarner_ | didrocks: <3 you | 07:23 |
| DBO | im already running it | 07:23 |
| DBO | love | 07:23 |
| DBO | DBO | 07:23 |
| didrocks | DBO: that I will of course hate you more and more, but that's fine, I'll get a revenge in just a month, mwahahahahaha | 07:23 |
| didrocks | DBO: seriously, do you think there are needed fixes? | 07:23 |
| DBO | needed? not needed no... | 07:23 |
| DBO | certainly some nice to have shit though | 07:24 |
| * Sweetshark wonders at all the high emotions (must be postbeta anexiety) ... | 07:24 | |
| didrocks | DBO: do you have the bug # so that we can asses risk/gain? | 07:24 |
| DBO | uhm | 07:24 |
| DBO | sure let me look... | 07:24 |
| didrocks | DBO: if it can wait for a SRU, that have more testing (one week before pushing to users) | 07:25 |
| * didrocks add his waiting list today, a libunity, unity-2d, nux, unity, nautilus, unity-place-files and counting! (already done qt, compiz…) | 07:26 | |
| DBO | didrocks, https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/827560 | 07:26 |
| ubot2 | Ubuntu bug 827560 in compiz "unmaximizable windows still show orange glow but fail to maximize" [Low,Triaged] | 07:26 |
| DBO | didrocks, https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/827560 | 07:26 |
| DBO | there is another one but I suffer from too much brain dumb right now to find it | 07:26 |
| didrocks | DBO: the bot is smart, it avoids the repetition :) | 07:27 |
| DBO | oops | 07:27 |
| DBO | https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz-grid-plugin/+bug/796594 | 07:27 |
| ubot2 | Ubuntu bug 796594 in compiz-grid-plugin "Window behaviour - pressing the 'restore' window indicator on a semi-maximised window should return it to the restored state" [High,In progress] | 07:27 |
| DBO | outsmarted by a bot | 07:27 |
| DBO | excellent way to start my day | 07:27 |
| pitti | jbicha: there, shepherded through binNEW as well, enjoy :) | 07:27 |
| didrocks | DBO: "start", really? :) | 07:27 |
| DBO | well it is 3:30am | 07:28 |
| jbicha | pitti: thank you! | 07:28 |
| DBO | its closer to starting than ending at this point | 07:28 |
| didrocks | DBO: ok, I guess it's easily testable for regression | 07:28 |
| didrocks | DBO: do you know to make dist in the oneiric branch or is it better to cherry-pick the patches there? | 07:29 |
| didrocks | DBO: urgh, the branch seems to not have previous fixes | 07:29 |
| DBO | of? | 07:29 |
| didrocks | DBO: I have a tarball from yesterday in c-p-m | 07:30 |
| DBO | i dont know what to do about that | 07:30 |
| didrocks | DBO: and I can ensure you I have more fixes than what is in https://code.launchpad.net/~compiz-team/compiz-grid-plugin/oneiric | 07:30 |
| DBO | yeah I know | 07:31 |
| didrocks | DBO: I hope the tarball from compiz have all fixes from yesterday as well | 07:31 |
| DBO | dont do c-p-m | 07:31 |
| didrocks | yeah, seems hairy | 07:31 |
| DBO | I hope so too | 07:31 |
| didrocks | DBO: let's check for compiz before pushing it | 07:31 |
| DBO | do you have any of the bugs so I could check? | 07:31 |
| didrocks | DBO: you took: https://code.launchpad.net/~compiz-team/compiz-core/oneiric | 07:31 |
| didrocks | yeah, one sec | 07:31 |
| robert_ancell | bryceh, RAOF, lightdm has been using -background none for some time so we can probably drop the -nr option | 07:31 |
| robert_ancell | patch rather | 07:32 |
| didrocks | DBO: http://paste.ubuntu.com/698947/ here is the full list of fixes | 07:32 |
| RAOF | robert_ancell: Know about the other ?DMs? | 07:32 |
| DBO | didrocks, I can immediately confirm several of those fixes are present | 07:33 |
| robert_ancell | RAOF, no, but I suspect they would have been carrying matching patches? | 07:33 |
| didrocks | DBO: for instance, on this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz-core/+bug/860397 I don't see a merge in ~compiz-team/compiz-core/oneiric | 07:33 |
| ubot2 | Ubuntu bug 860397 in unity "Windows which are marked transients of docks should be treated like docks" [High,Fix committed] | 07:33 |
| DBO | didrocks, yes that one is present | 07:33 |
| DBO | onboard still works iwth unity | 07:33 |
| DBO | huzzah | 07:33 |
| didrocks | great :-) | 07:33 |
| didrocks | *phew* | 07:33 |
| pitti | RAOF, robert_ancell: our gdm has -background | 07:33 |
| didrocks | thanks for confirming DBO :) | 07:34 |
| didrocks | DBO: let's forget about c-p-m now, not going into trouble and plan those for a SRU | 07:34 |
| DBO | sure thing | 07:34 |
| DBO | yep | 07:34 |
| * RAOF checks kdm and xdm. | 07:34 | |
| pitti | RAOF: checking kdm.. | 07:34 |
| robert_ancell | RAOF, xdm? really? | 07:34 |
| pitti | ./debian/patches/kubuntu_kdmrc_defaults.diff:+Instance: :*/"-nr -nolisten tcp" | 07:34 |
| pitti | ./kdm/config.def:Instance: :*/"-nr -nolisten tcp" | 07:34 |
| pitti | kdm needs fixing AFAICS | 07:35 |
| pitti | RAOF: ^ | 07:35 |
| ricotz | good morning | 07:35 |
| RAOF | pitti: Thanks. | 07:35 |
| RAOF | robert_ancell: I don't expect xdm to try, but, hey! Completeness! | 07:35 |
| ricotz | the new UbuntuLogo.png in g-c-c says 11.04? | 07:35 |
| jbicha | ricotz: it's fixed in bzr | 07:37 |
| DBO | so didrocks, smoothest compiz release this cycle then? :P | 07:37 |
| ricotz | jbicha, ok, and network.ui missing? | 07:37 |
| didrocks | DBO: yeah, you got an award. Achievement! :-) | 07:38 |
| jbicha | um, I don't think that was fixed yet | 07:38 |
| didrocks | DBO: you got the new skin "DBO smoothest compiz release" to use with the hero of your favorite game :-) | 07:38 |
| jbicha | ricotz: when did network disappear? | 07:39 |
| RAOF | And, as expected, xdm uses neither -nr nor -background. | 07:39 |
| pitti | RAOF: checkerboaord patterns FTW! | 07:40 |
| pitti | "board", too | 07:40 |
| RAOF | party_like_its_1989! | 07:40 |
| ricotz | jbicha, i cant point to a version, sorry, just noticed it | 07:40 |
| pitti | RAOF: let's play pacman | 07:40 |
| * RAOF can never get enough of the -retro codepath! | 07:40 | |
| DBO | didrocks, apparently there are compelling reasons to do CPM now | 07:41 |
| didrocks | DBO: hum, like? | 07:41 |
| rodrigo_ | morning | 07:41 |
| DBO | didrocks, compelling... reasons... | 07:41 |
| DBO | there are some changes to how core handles moving windows (async, much faster) | 07:41 |
| DBO | but two plugins had to be updated to track | 07:41 |
| didrocks | DBO: well, there are some "compiling" reasons indeed :) | 07:41 |
| DBO | grid and snap | 07:41 |
| DBO | they still work fine without the update | 07:41 |
| DBO | but much slower | 07:41 |
| didrocks | DBO: hum, can we ensure the latest tarball is in trunk, and what enters is fully tested? | 07:42 |
| DBO | Im working on testing that shit as hard as I can | 07:42 |
| DBO | I'll be here until its done | 07:42 |
| didrocks | DBO: ensure we have: | 07:43 |
| didrocks | - Maximizing a window causes compiz to hang (LP: #860257) | 07:43 |
| didrocks | - snap movements can cause infinite loops in window movements (LP: #860646) | 07:43 |
| ricotz | jbicha, also "empathy/telepathy" ui is gone? | 07:43 |
| didrocks | DBO: this is the new fixes since 20110919 | 07:43 |
| DBO | oh yeah there is that too | 07:44 |
| DBO | we want those | 07:44 |
| DBO | infinite loops are bad | 07:44 |
| DBO | mmkay | 07:44 |
| didrocks | DBO: we already have those | 07:44 |
| didrocks | DBO: in the latest tarball | 07:44 |
| DBO | damnit | 07:44 |
| DBO | seriously | 07:44 |
| didrocks | DBO: so ensure trunk have it, if not, there is something screwed | 07:44 |
| DBO | I would prefer if we did this | 07:44 |
| DBO | okay | 07:45 |
| DBO | will do | 07:45 |
| didrocks | DBO: and in that case, we need to cherry-pick only the fixes, not doing a new tarball without those | 07:45 |
| DBO | what? | 07:45 |
| DBO | we are just going to roll you a tarball, the only things in it are commits linked to bugs | 07:45 |
| * didrocks pushes nautilus meanwhile | 07:45 | |
| DBO | I'll try to get you a list | 07:46 |
| didrocks | DBO: indeed, but ensure that those two commits are in there | 07:46 |
| DBO | I will | 07:46 |
| didrocks | DBO: IIRC, dbarth removed one commit that was making something crashing for him | 07:46 |
| didrocks | DBO: so, I hope it's not in trunk | 07:46 |
| DBO | super... | 07:46 |
| didrocks | DBO: it's not in the current oneiric tarball anyway, you can download it there: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+files/compiz-plugins-main_0.9.6.orig.tar.gz | 07:47 |
| didrocks | DBO: so making make a diff with what you currently have and ensuring all what is in is known? | 07:47 |
| DBO | didrocks, yes, I will do my all | 07:48 |
| DBO | Im not going to pull any punches | 07:48 |
| DBO | I understand the price of failure is instant death by firing squad manned by the desktop team | 07:48 |
| jbicha | ricotz: ping rodrigo when he's online for those, I'm not sure what went wrong | 07:48 |
| didrocks | DBO: excellent! thanks for this serious checking. It's really needed :) | 07:48 |
| jbicha | ricotz: so I was playing with GDM3.2 today & yeah I couldn't get it to start either | 07:49 |
| ricotz | rodrigo_, hi, g-c-c is missing some things like network.ui and empathy/telepathy ui? | 07:51 |
| ricotz | jbicha, so it hangs for you? | 07:51 |
| chrisccoulson | hey pitti | 07:51 |
| chrisccoulson | there are 2 issues in bug 848808 btw | 07:52 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 848808 in metacity "metacity crashed with SIGABRT in __kernel_vsyscall()" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/848808 | 07:52 |
| pitti | hey chrisccoulson | 07:52 |
| chrisccoulson | your stacktrace is a different issue compared to the original reporter | 07:52 |
| jbicha | ricotz: yes, gdm-simple-slave[20564]: WARNING: Could not run helper: Failed to execute child process "/usr/lib/gdm/ck-get-x11-display-device" (No such file or directory) | 07:52 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: oh, is it? I get it according to jibel's instruction, start vlc | 07:52 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: I thought it was different because of --sync | 07:52 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - hmmm, perhaps jibel has the same, but different issue too ;) | 07:53 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - yeah, but the request that triggered the error is still visible in the original stacktrace | 07:53 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/79767881/Stacktrace.txt doesn't look totally different, though? | 07:53 |
| ricotz | jbicha, ok, would have been nice to have it, but there is no time for it | 07:53 |
| didrocks | DBO: https://code.launchpad.net/~compiz-team/compiz-expo-plugin/oneiric.fix_clipping_issues/+merge/77472 changes default configuration | 07:53 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: right, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/79769114/Stacktrace.txt is different | 07:54 |
| jbicha | ricotz: yeah, GDM 3.0 isn't too bad though | 07:54 |
| DBO | didrocks, fixing | 07:54 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - the clue in the original trace is here - "X error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter) serial 294069 error_code 3 request_code 19 minor_code 0" | 07:54 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: but I think all the dupes are indistinguishable, as the top 5 functions are the XError stuff | 07:54 |
| didrocks | DBO: please look at merges carefully :p | 07:54 |
| chrisccoulson | so when it crashes with --sync, you should see it crashing in XDeleteProperty | 07:54 |
| chrisccoulson | (which is request code 19) | 07:55 |
| didrocks | DBO: especially has now in the compiz branch, the patch are completely mixed… :/ | 07:55 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: ok, I don't get that then | 07:55 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: or it's later than the current crash in allocing a 65535 pixel window | 07:55 |
| DBO | didrocks, we're going to fix that once and for all at UDS | 07:55 |
| DBO | we are going to disable that in bzr | 07:55 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - possibly :) | 07:55 |
| DBO | he wont be able to do that anymore | 07:55 |
| DBO | mwahahah | 07:55 |
| didrocks | DBO: yeah, totally agreed! | 07:55 |
| didrocks | heh! | 07:55 |
| chrisccoulson | i just wanted to point out that there might be more than one issue there, before it gets too confusing ;) | 07:55 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: heh, thanks | 07:56 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: how's your holidays? | 07:57 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - heh ;) | 07:57 |
| chrisccoulson | i'm looking forward to travelling to cornwall tomorrow | 07:57 |
| DBO | didrocks, actually it didn't, the merge proposal just had the wrong target | 07:58 |
| DBO | didrocks, sorry for the false alarm | 07:58 |
| chrisccoulson | other than that, i've been hanging around because of the firefox 7.0.1 chemspill | 07:58 |
| chrisccoulson | which i wasn't expecting to happen whilst i was away ;) | 07:58 |
| didrocks | DBO: *phew*, but still wrong target :) we need to diff old tarball new tarball anyway to check! | 07:58 |
| DBO | I will | 07:58 |
| DBO | I dont have tarballs yet | 07:58 |
| didrocks | thanks again DBO :) | 07:58 |
| didrocks | DBO: did you took the previous one I pointed? | 07:59 |
| didrocks | did you take* | 07:59 |
| DBO | yes | 07:59 |
| didrocks | coolio | 07:59 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - so, i think what's likely to have happened is that the original reporter of bug 848808 was actually suffering from bug 797078, which is now fixed | 08:03 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 848808 in metacity "metacity crashed with SIGABRT in __kernel_vsyscall()" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/848808 | 08:03 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 797078 in metacity "metacity crashed with SIGABRT in raise()" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/797078 | 08:03 |
| chrisccoulson | but as apport can't really distinguish the traces apart, it's mixed the different issues up in the duplicates | 08:04 |
| RAOF | That seems like a reasonable guess. | 08:05 |
| rodrigo_ | ricotz, what? it's missing that? | 08:05 |
| seb128 | hey | 08:06 |
| rodrigo_ | ricotz, hmm, right, it's missing the network panel | 08:07 |
| rodrigo_ | hi seb128 | 08:07 |
| pitti | bonjour seb128 | 08:08 |
| pitti | hey rodrigo_ | 08:08 |
| seb128 | hey pitti | 08:08 |
| seb128 | hey rodrigo_ | 08:08 |
| seb128 | how are you? | 08:08 |
| jbicha | rodrigo_: checking for NETWORK_MANAGER... no | 08:08 |
| jbicha | configure: WARNING: *** Network panel will not be built (NetworkManager >= 0.8.992 or newer not found) *** | 08:08 |
| jbicha | https://launchpadlibrarian.net/81289337/buildlog_ubuntu-oneiric-amd64.gnome-control-center_1%3A3.2.0-0ubuntu2_BUILDING.txt.gz | 08:08 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: yeah, seems you earned bug 861443 | 08:08 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 861443 in gnome-control-center "There is no easy way to change proxy settings in Ubuntu 11.10" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/861443 | 08:08 |
| rodrigo_ | jbicha, yes | 08:08 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: I suppose that wasn't intended? | 08:08 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: sounds like fallout from the libnm split? | 08:09 |
| rodrigo_ | pitti, yes, seems I'm missing some build-dep | 08:09 |
| seb128 | jbicha, hey | 08:10 |
| seb128 | jbicha, is there an issue with the vino update? | 08:10 |
| seb128 | jbicha, do you need help with it? | 08:10 |
| DBO | didrocks, we're rolling a new tarball ;) | 08:10 |
| didrocks | DBO: nice! | 08:11 |
| RAOF | Hey, who broke my caps-is-an-additional-ctrl? | 08:11 |
| DBO | RAOF, GNOME | 08:13 |
| RAOF | Oh, flicking that setting off and on again fixes it. | 08:13 |
| jbicha | seb128: I was trying to fix 852911 at the same time, but I was having trouble getting my code from yelp to work in vino | 08:13 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, you should push test version in your ppa rather than asking users to build from the vcs ;-) | 08:13 |
| seb128 | jbicha, hard freeze is today so maybe upload the next version and see later to fix the bug? | 08:14 |
| seb128 | bug #852911 | 08:14 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 852911 in yelp "Yelp always displays Unity user guide" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/852911 | 08:14 |
| jbicha | seb128: yes probably | 08:14 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, yes, true :) | 08:14 |
| pitti | didrocks: indeed it seems related to overlay-scrollbar, but too large widgets in an application shouldn't make metacity crash? | 08:15 |
| pitti | didrocks: but anyway, if that fixes it, I'm happy; metacity is obsolete, and I don't fancy debugging it for hours (well, I already did) to fix it properly :) | 08:15 |
| didrocks | pitti: it logout and crashed X in some cases, because it tried to create a 8 Gb window | 08:16 |
| didrocks | pitti: so, not sure, but can be related through jibel's report | 08:16 |
| RAOF | X shouldn't crash in such circumstances; that's what BadAlloc is for (and the XErorr that pitti was seeing)? | 08:16 |
| pitti | didrocks: yes, something is creating a widget 65535 pixels high | 08:17 |
| rodrigo_ | pitti, oh, the problem is libnm-gtk-dev doesn't have a .pc file | 08:17 |
| pitti | RAOF: not X, metacity | 08:17 |
| rodrigo_ | pitti, fixing it | 08:17 |
| didrocks | RAOF: it did, see the bug I pointed :) | 08:17 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: ah | 08:17 |
| didrocks | rodrigo_: the usual crash on writing a lot on disk | 08:17 |
| didrocks | oupss | 08:17 |
| didrocks | RAOF: ^ | 08:17 |
| RAOF | pitti: Yeah, but didrocks was saying that it crashed X sometimes. | 08:17 |
| didrocks | RAOF: basically, it creates a 8 Gb windows, which make some machines, like mine writing a lot on the disk | 08:17 |
| didrocks | and everytime I have too many writes on disk, X crashes | 08:18 |
| didrocks | pitti: ^ | 08:18 |
| RAOF | Fun! | 08:18 |
| ricotz | rodrigo_, do you know what happened to the empathy g-c-c integration? | 08:18 |
| didrocks | RAOF: seems known, njpatel has the same behavior I guess | 08:18 |
| RAOF | You obviously have too much memory :) | 08:18 |
| rodrigo_ | ricotz, the accounts panel? | 08:18 |
| rodrigo_ | ricotz, I think it's gone, in favor of gnome-online-accounts, but not sure | 08:19 |
| RAOF | didrocks: This is triggered by running vlc under metacity? | 08:19 |
| ricotz | rodrigo_, if that's the case the online-accounts doesnt show my telepathy accounts | 08:19 |
| pitti | didrocks: you said "just pushed", not "will be pushing"; I didn't see an overlay-scrollbar upload, did the upload go wrong, or was this a typo? | 08:19 |
| rodrigo_ | ricotz, yes, only google so far | 08:20 |
| didrocks | pitti: it's a Qt fix related to an overlay-scrollbar issue with Qt apps (when using the gtk theme) | 08:20 |
| pitti | aah | 08:20 |
| rodrigo_ | ricotz, you can still setup your accounts from empathy itself | 08:20 |
| rodrigo_ | ricotz, just that it doesn't have a g-c-c panel anymore | 08:20 |
| didrocks | RAOF: oh not only with vlc, everytime my computer start writing too much on disk | 08:20 |
| pitti | didrocks: trying with new Qt then, it's built on amd64 | 08:21 |
| RAOF | didrocks: Just with swapping, or with any disc activity? | 08:21 |
| pitti | didrocks: the other two tasks on bug 805303 are still relevant, though? | 08:21 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 805303 in overlay-scrollbar "Gtk-CRITICAL **: IA__gtk_widget_style_get: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed with the default qt4 gui" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/805303 | 08:21 |
| rodrigo_ | $ bzr branch lp:ubuntu/network-manager-applet trunk | 08:21 |
| rodrigo_ | Most recent Ubuntu version: 0.9.1.90-0ubuntu2 | 08:21 |
| rodrigo_ | Packaging branch version: 0.8.9997+git.20110707t152406.340f695-0ubuntu1 | 08:21 |
| rodrigo_ | Packaging branch status: OUT-OF-DATE | 08:21 |
| rodrigo_ | hmm, import problems? | 08:21 |
| seb128 | ricotz, rodrigo_: upstream dropped the possibility to add control-center panel from other sources as well, it might have force the empathy guy to drop it | 08:21 |
| RAOF | didrocks: Also: is this your crazy baked nvidia laptop? ;) | 08:21 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, seems so | 08:21 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, yes | 08:21 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, use apt-get source | 08:22 |
| rodrigo_ | ok | 08:22 |
| ricotz | seb128, ok | 08:23 |
| didrocks | RAOF: indeed, but I know that other in dx experience this as well | 08:23 |
| ricotz | rodrigo_, right, was just wondering what happened to it | 08:23 |
| didrocks | RAOF: everytime when somethings triggers a lot of writing… | 08:23 |
| seb128 | grrrrr bastien | 08:24 |
| seb128 | ok, so he closed the wrong default bug pedro opened blaming it on pitti | 08:24 |
| RAOF | didrocks: Is there a crash report generated? Long shot, I know. :? | 08:24 |
| didrocks | RAOF: waow, I'm pretty sure to have reported one a while back, like 4/5 months | 08:25 |
| seb128 | though pedro somewhat missed the issue, it seems to still suspend on ac even if the setting is on "never" | 08:25 |
| didrocks | RAOF: it started on natty | 08:25 |
| seb128 | my laptop was suspended when I came back from sport yesterday | 08:25 |
| didrocks | RAOF: but I don't have I can do it next time I trigger that | 08:25 |
| seb128 | mvo, hey, did you open a bug about your dpms issue? | 08:25 |
| mvo | seb128: just reported it on LP https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/862139 now, sorry | 08:28 |
| ubot2 | Ubuntu bug 862139 in gnome-control-center "xset q reports DPMS mode with time 600 regardless of what g-c-c setting" [Undecided,New] | 08:28 |
| rodrigo_ | hmm, dput'ing the .source.changes file generated by debuild doesn't upload the orig.tar.gz, is that correct? | 08:32 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: depends whether the .changes has the tar.gz in Files: | 08:33 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: which is determined whether you build with -sa or -sd | 08:33 |
| rodrigo_ | pitti, ok, my fault then, just used -S | 08:33 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: -si is the default, which usually DTRT (-sa for -1 or -0ubuntu1, no orig otherwise) | 08:33 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: why, did you upload a new upstream release? | 08:33 |
| rodrigo_ | pitti, no, not a new upstream, just 0ubuntu3 | 08:34 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: you don't need the orig tarball then, it didn't change | 08:34 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, is that a ppa upload? you don't need the orig if it's in the main archive | 08:34 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, no, not a ppa, it's nm-applet | 08:34 |
| rodrigo_ | ok then it should be ok, I hope | 08:35 |
| seb128 | oh, well no need of the orig | 08:35 |
| * rodrigo_ waits for message | 08:35 | |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text= | 08:35 |
| seb128 | it's in the queue | 08:35 |
| rodrigo_ | ok, cool | 08:35 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, the queue run every 5 minutes, so if you upload at 31 it will usually get in at 35 | 08:36 |
| rodrigo_ | ricotz, ok, network panel is back, will upload new g-c-c as soon as I get a couple other fixes | 08:36 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: yay | 08:38 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: please bump the build-dep on libnm-dev | 08:38 |
| pitti | powerpc is faaaar behind (and generally it's correct to do so, too) | 08:38 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, oh btw, last night I looked at the 'never turn screen off' thing, shouldn't be hard to do, just need new UI | 08:38 |
| rodrigo_ | pitti, yes | 08:38 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, where "new ui" is an extra entry in the combo? | 08:38 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, a new combo, I don't have a 'turn screen' combo at all | 08:39 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, are you on a desktop? | 08:39 |
| rodrigo_ | ah, on the screen one | 08:39 |
| seb128 | still on a desktop it should be there | 08:40 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, yes | 08:40 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, yes, sorry, was looking at power onlt | 08:40 |
| rodrigo_ | so yes, much easier! | 08:40 |
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| rodrigo_ | g-s-d already checks if the timeout is 0, and if so, doesn't turn the screen off, so yes, we only need a new option in the combo, mapped to 0 for the timeout | 08:40 |
| rodrigo_ | so adding it to my g-c-c upload | 08:41 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, check with pitti before | 08:41 |
| rodrigo_ | pitti, checking... :) | 08:41 |
| seb128 | it might need a ffe or uife | 08:41 |
| seb128 | check with jbicha as well | 08:41 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: "turn screen"? | 08:42 |
| DBO | didrocks, https://chinstrap.canonical.com/~smspillaz/releases/0.9.6/compiz-plugins-main-0.9.6.tar.bz2 | 08:42 |
| seb128 | jbicha, pitti: do you think it's still ok to add a "never" entry to the screen capplet "turn screen off after" combo? | 08:42 |
| DBO | I've done everything I can do, I think I properly QA'd it | 08:42 |
| DBO | if I didn't, please let me know, and I'll figure out what went wrong and try to fix it for next time | 08:42 |
| rodrigo_ | pitti, yes, what seb128 says | 08:42 |
| didrocks | DBO: great, so no setting changes, all the fix that are in are the one you descbribed before? | 08:42 |
| pitti | seb128, rodrigo_: sorry, where is that? | 08:42 |
| DBO | didrocks, hold on | 08:42 |
| didrocks | |o| | 08:43 |
| seb128 | pitti, gnome-control-center screen | 08:43 |
| rodrigo_ | pitti, in Screen panel | 08:43 |
| DBO | didrocks, http://paste.ubuntu.com/698976/ | 08:43 |
| DBO | thats the entire diff | 08:43 |
| DBO | no xml changes | 08:43 |
| seb128 | pitti, "turn on after", the combo has nn minutes to 1 hour option | 08:43 |
| pitti | seb128, rodrigo_: I think that's fine; I hope we have an existing string for that? | 08:43 |
| seb128 | pitti, adding a "never" in the list of that combo | 08:43 |
| rodrigo_ | pitti, hmm, good point, let me check | 08:43 |
| diverse_izzue | hi u-d. is there a package for this nautilus previewer called "sushi" somewhere? | 08:44 |
| didrocks | DBO: great, and the bug list is the on you pointed me before? (and it doesn't seem any previous fix is reverted?) | 08:44 |
| DBO | didrocks, are you expecting a reverted fix? | 08:44 |
| rodrigo_ | pitti, seb128: no, we don't, in g-c-c | 08:44 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, pitti: doesn't seem so :-( | 08:44 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, can you ask an UIFe and email translators and documentation teams? | 08:45 |
| pitti | uh, did they remove it everywhere? *sigh* | 08:45 |
| rodrigo_ | I guess that's a problem, too late for adding new strings | 08:45 |
| didrocks | DBO: no, just that as the trunk was fuzzy and we didn't know if it contained all the previous fixes | 08:45 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, let's ask | 08:45 |
| rodrigo_ | ok | 08:45 |
| jbicha | diverse_izzue: no, you'll have to wait for P or a PPA (& someone to package it) | 08:45 |
| DBO | didrocks, I think we are good to go | 08:45 |
| seb128 | translators still have some days to translate | 08:45 |
| seb128 | and it's an easy one to add | 08:46 |
| DBO | didrocks, we checked for those previous commits specifically | 08:46 |
| DBO | foudn the code | 08:46 |
| didrocks | DBO: perfect, thanks! | 08:46 |
| pitti | seb128: it's in evolution-3.2, aptitude, cups, glade3, gnome-disk-utility, gnome-user-share, nautilus, and a whole lot of other places | 08:47 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: ^ we might steal the translations from there | 08:47 |
| rodrigo_ | pitti, ok, I'll add the bug 1st | 08:47 |
| ubot2 | rodrigo_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1 (Not reporting large bug) | 08:47 |
| seb128 | pitti, it's going to be tedious | 08:47 |
| rodrigo_ | :) | 08:47 |
| seb128 | imho we should ask an uif and let the translators copy the string in launchpad | 08:48 |
| pitti | well, asking translators to do that is a lot more work in sum | 08:48 |
| seb128 | it's easy enough | 08:48 |
| DBO | didrocks, do you want me to stick around while you make package pie out of that? | 08:50 |
| didrocks | DBO: I'm tagging it +bzr20110929 tag as well | 08:50 |
| didrocks | DBO: no that's fine, you should go to bed :) | 08:51 |
| didrocks | DBO: did you fix the spread + dnd issue? | 08:51 |
| DBO | didrocks, if by fix you mean disable | 08:51 |
| DBO | yes | 08:51 |
| didrocks | DBO: yeah, perfect, I think you deserve some bed time! :) | 08:52 |
| didrocks | DBO: I'm currently building c-p-m | 08:52 |
| DBO | how long will it take for me to get results? | 08:52 |
| seb128 | pitti, *shrug*, they screwed the ubuntu-mono update... | 08:52 |
| didrocks | DBO: 10 minutes, time to build and test | 08:52 |
| pitti | seb128: bug 862027? | 08:52 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 862027 in ubuntu-mono "System Settings Keyboard icon indistinct with Ambiance" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/862027 | 08:53 |
| pitti | seb128: assigned to Paul already; we'll probably just revert tha | 08:53 |
| jbicha | or bug 862040 | 08:53 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 862040 in ubuntu-mono "user-desktop icon shows black desktop instead of Unity's wallpaper" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/862040 | 08:53 |
| seb128 | pitti, no, it seems the "desktop" icon went missing | 08:53 |
| DBO | didrocks, then I'll wait | 08:53 |
| seb128 | jbicha, right, that one | 08:53 |
| DBO | didrocks, the 22 hour shift... we need a union... | 08:54 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, pitti: what are the translation and doc teams (ubuntu-doc? ubuntu-translations-coordinators?) | 08:54 |
| rodrigo_ | lp shows a lot when searching, so not sure which one is the correct one | 08:55 |
| didrocks | DBO: that's why you are asking to french people? Need some strike advice? :-) | 08:55 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, ubuntu-doc@lists.ubuntu.com, ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com | 08:55 |
| DBO | didrocks, no I was hoping to win the battle | 08:56 |
| didrocks | :-) | 08:56 |
| pitti | didrocks: metacity still crashes with Qt 4.7.4-0ubuntu6 :( | 08:59 |
| rodrigo_ | hmm, searching for ubuntu-translators in LP shows a lot of results, but stops in page 17, so ubuntu-translators team doesn't show up | 09:01 |
| rodrigo_ | so how can I subscribe someone to a bug without using the search? | 09:01 |
| DBO | pitti, stop using metacity | 09:01 |
| DBO | I know I did | 09:02 |
| rodrigo_ | pitti, seb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/862154 | 09:02 |
| ubot2 | Ubuntu bug 862154 in gnome-control-center "[UIFe] Add back the "never turn screen off" option" [Undecided,New] | 09:02 |
| didrocks | pitti: ok :( | 09:03 |
| pitti | DBO: unity-2d does :) | 09:03 |
| pitti | didrocks: QWidget::setMinimumSize: (/MainInterface) The largest allowed size is (16777215,16777215) | 09:04 |
| pitti | didrocks: that doesn't sound healthy | 09:04 |
| DBO | pitti, sarcasm is the name of the game | 09:04 |
| didrocks | pitti: is it before the crash you have? | 09:04 |
| pitti | didrocks: yes | 09:05 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, thanks | 09:05 |
| didrocks | agateau looked at this ^ | 09:05 |
| pitti | didrocks: agateau just attached a new patch to that bug, too | 09:05 |
| didrocks | pitti: yeah, for gtk | 09:05 |
| didrocks | pitti: you need it with the new Qt | 09:05 |
| didrocks | sorry, forgot to mention it | 09:05 |
| seb128 | don't upload the gtk patch | 09:05 |
| agateau | seb128: why? | 09:06 |
| seb128 | agateau, because kenvandine started working on it | 09:06 |
| agateau | seb128: ah ok, I thought there was a problem with it | 09:06 |
| seb128 | agateau, and I don't like work duplication ;-) | 09:06 |
| seb128 | agateau, well there are those symbols change, it sucks so late in the cycle | 09:07 |
| seb128 | agateau, though they seem to be a non issue but still it makes me nervous ;-) | 09:07 |
| agateau | seb128: I understand you. But the whole point of the new patch is to expose a new function, this is bound to bring new symbols | 09:08 |
| pitti | so is bug 805303 about crashes which happen because overlay-scrollbar tries to allocate an insanely huge widget? | 09:08 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 805303 in overlay-scrollbar "Gtk-CRITICAL **: IA__gtk_widget_style_get: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed with the default qt4 gui" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/805303 | 09:08 |
| pitti | the bug title sounds fairly different | 09:08 |
| * pitti wonders if he should make bug 848808 a dupe of that or reassign to overlay-scrollbar | 09:08 | |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 848808 in metacity "metacity crashed with SIGABRT in __kernel_vsyscall()" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/848808 | 09:08 |
| agateau | pitti: it is because qt assumes it gets a scrollbar widget when it calls gtk_hscrollbar_new | 09:08 |
| pitti | agateau: ah, then it's something else apparently? | 09:09 |
| didrocks | grrrr, got again a X restart on too much writing | 09:09 |
| agateau | pitti: but when overlay scrollbars are activated, qt gets a null pointer instead | 09:09 |
| didrocks | RAOF: nothing in /var/crash ^ | 09:09 |
| seb128 | agateau, yeah, adding symbols is fine, it's the dropping symbols that makes me nervous ;-) | 09:09 |
| agateau | pitti: we had a workaround for this bug in qt <= 1ubuntu5, but it was not reliable | 09:09 |
| didrocks | DBO: Need to restart building c-p-m (and nautilus :() | 09:09 |
| seb128 | didrocks, look at Xorg.log | 09:10 |
| seb128 | or .0 | 09:10 |
| agateau | pitti: 1ubuntu6 contains a better fix, but it needs the gtk patch to work | 09:10 |
| seb128 | didrocks, go in the build-area and debuild binary | 09:10 |
| DBO | didrocks, why? | 09:10 |
| seb128 | didrocks, or did you use pbuilder? | 09:10 |
| pitti | agateau: understood, thanks | 09:10 |
| didrocks | DBO: because the build is under X and X restarted | 09:10 |
| agateau | seb128: yes, those symbols could have been marked hidden, there was no need to expose them in the first place | 09:10 |
| seb128 | agateau, ok, good | 09:10 |
| didrocks | seb128: yeah, will dpkg-buildpackage -nc | 09:11 |
| seb128 | agateau, well as said it's not an objection, it's just making me a bit nervous because it's gtk and it's late ;-) | 09:11 |
| DBO | didrocks, you're breaking my little heart by not using screen | 09:11 |
| didrocks | DBO: for building? never :-) | 09:11 |
| agateau | seb128: sure, I am just trying to make you a bit more confortable with those changes | 09:11 |
| agateau | :) | 09:12 |
| didrocks | DBO: btw, I'm closing the upstream bugs | 09:12 |
| DBO | whatever | 09:12 |
| didrocks | DBO: and add right downstream tasks | 09:12 |
| seb128 | agateau, thanks ;-) I think I'm comfortable enough to no pushback and let ken upload it ;-) | 09:12 |
| didrocks | DBO: can you do that for an even smoother release later? :) | 09:12 |
| didrocks | RAOF: I have the log info if needed | 09:12 |
| DBO | do what? | 09:12 |
| DBO | explain it like Im 5? | 09:12 |
| agateau | seb128: good! | 09:12 |
| didrocks | DBO: closing upstream bugs ;) | 09:12 |
| seb128 | agateau, thanks for working on that btw! | 09:12 |
| DBO | didrocks, define "upstream"? | 09:13 |
| DBO | oh you mean mark the Fix Released? | 09:13 |
| didrocks | DBO: upstream as upstream task in compiz | 09:13 |
| didrocks | DBO: yep | 09:13 |
| DBO | yeah I can do that next time | 09:13 |
| DBO | sure | 09:13 |
| agateau | seb128: yw | 09:13 |
| didrocks | (and everywhere, the downstream tasks that have been added are not the right one) | 09:13 |
| didrocks | DBO: ok, restarting compiz | 09:15 |
| * DBO braces for impact | 09:15 | |
| DBO | this delay makes me nervous | 09:16 |
| kamstrup | dpm: hey, d.u.c looking awesome :-) | 09:16 |
| didrocks | DBO: maximize with grid snap is weird | 09:17 |
| kamstrup | dpm: I noticed that the libunity docs needs updates... also I think the latest lp:giraffe works slightly better for Python docs | 09:17 |
| didrocks | DBO: take a title bar, push it to the panel | 09:17 |
| didrocks | DBO: the decoration jumps under the panel, then maximization starts… | 09:17 |
| DBO | mmmm | 09:17 |
| DBO | yep thats a bit odd... | 09:17 |
| didrocks | DBO: and worse, if you stop it without maximizing | 09:17 |
| didrocks | DBO: the decoration is under the panel | 09:18 |
| didrocks | you have to alt + click | 09:18 |
| DBO | smspillaz, ^^ | 09:18 |
| seb128 | didrocks, new record? found a bug in less than 15s testing? ;-) | 09:18 |
| didrocks | DBO: another one | 09:18 |
| * DBO sighs | 09:18 | |
| dpm | hey kamstrup, good morning, thanks :) - Yeah, I want to update those links to the stable URLs (i.e. Oneiric), when we release. As per giraffe, shall I just pull the latest version? I can probably do this straight away | 09:18 |
| smspillaz | hmm | 09:18 |
| didrocks | seb128: indeed, just have to test what changed… | 09:18 |
| didrocks | DBO: maximize vertically | 09:19 |
| smspillaz | didrocks: let me see what's happening | 09:19 |
| smspillaz | that ... shouldn't happen | 09:19 |
| didrocks | DBO: then, drag it on the panel | 09:19 |
| didrocks | -> maximized, but still decorated | 09:19 |
| kamstrup | dpm: I think the latest rev should be good. That's what I use myself at least :-) | 09:19 |
| didrocks | same if you maximize horizontally | 09:20 |
| dpm | kamstrup, ok, cool, let me do this later on today, thanks for the heads up :) | 09:20 |
| DBO | didrocks, sorry for wasting time... | 09:20 |
| * didrocks just reads the diff and tests what changed :/ | 09:20 | |
| DBO | I'll add these to our test cases | 09:20 |
| didrocks | DBO: well, it just need rigorous test when changing something… | 09:20 |
| pitti | seb128, rodrigo_: replied to bug 862154 with a suggestion and an ack | 09:23 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 862154 in gnome-control-center "[UIFe] Add back the "never turn screen off" option" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/862154 | 09:23 |
| seb128 | pitti, danke | 09:23 |
| didrocks | pitti: a 4th upload of Qt is coming FYI | 09:34 |
| pitti | poor armel builders | 09:35 |
| * pitti scores down https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/4:4.7.4-0ubuntu6/+build/2813360 | 09:35 | |
| didrocks | yeah, if only people can coordinate in the same team, especially when pinging them on purpose the past 3 days for that | 09:35 |
| pitti | the powerpc builders already are way behind | 09:35 |
| czajkowski | Good morning all | 09:35 |
| pitti | actually, powerpc is the bottleneck this time, we've got plenty of armel builders | 09:35 |
| pitti | hey czajkowski | 09:36 |
| pitti | didrocks: standing by for review, just need to run out for some minutes | 09:36 |
| czajkowski | pitti: ello | 09:36 |
| czajkowski | pitti: no bugs to report!, well I do, just not Ubuntu, on windows :( | 09:36 |
| didrocks | pitti: will upload in 30 min, the time for me to check it applies, and to bzr bd -S… | 09:36 |
| pitti | czajkowski: hehe | 09:38 |
| czajkowski | pitti: such pain . | 09:38 |
| rodrigo_ | pitti, so, I msgcat the po file, and add a patch with that to the g-c-c package? | 09:51 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: I put a sketch of a command to the bug | 09:54 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: msgcat is too complicated, I think | 09:54 |
| rodrigo_ | pitti, right, but I mean, I just add a patch to the package with the resulting .po's, or is there a saner way to add new translations? | 09:55 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, use the command line pitti suggested in the bug? | 09:57 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: yes | 09:57 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: well, the .po changes with teh "Never" msgs added, yes | 09:57 |
| rodrigo_ | ok | 09:57 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: we can drop the patch at the next upload, once it's imported into LP | 09:57 |
| pitti | I think that's a lot quicker than bothering all translation teams to add the strings | 09:58 |
| rodrigo_ | yeah, dpm asked to do this also, so yeah, doing it now | 09:58 |
| mvo | seb128: meh, that app-indicator port took longer then expected, but I think its mostly there now, not everything is supported by app-indicator unfortunately so the fallback is not great, I need to think some more about that | 10:03 |
| seb128 | mvo, what do you miss? tooltips? | 10:03 |
| mvo | seb128: yes | 10:09 |
| mvo | seb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/779382/comments/10 has whats mising | 10:09 |
| ubot2 | Ubuntu bug 779382 in update-notifier "update-notifier not visible under unity" [Medium,Confirmed] | 10:09 |
| mvo | seb128: woah, I just did a test upgrade in a virtual machine, the screensaver kicked (why? u-m kills it when it upgrades :/ - but it did not actually show a screensaver window, it would just not let me interact with the system | 10:15 |
| seb128 | mvo, urg, weird | 10:16 |
| seb128 | mvo, how does it kills it? | 10:16 |
| seb128 | mvo, mdeslaur made great effort to make sure that the screensaver respawn when you take it down for good security measure ;-) | 10:16 |
| mvo | seb128: I think it simply sends a kill signal | 10:16 |
| mvo | seb128: meh | 10:17 |
| pitti | didrocks: bug 849732 was invalidated, should I file a new one? | 10:17 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 849732 in unity "Alt + <application menubar shorcut> doesn't work as well as Ctrl + W/Q" [High,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/849732 | 10:17 |
| seb128 | mvo, you don't want to box unlocked because the screensaver hit a segfault | 10:17 |
| pitti | this is still a very annoying and perferctly reproducible regression | 10:17 |
| seb128 | mvo, you should inhibit locked using the dbus api I guess | 10:17 |
| didrocks | pitti: no, just add a gtk3 task | 10:17 |
| mvo | this stuff runs as root (the upgrader) :/ | 10:17 |
| didrocks | jasoncwarner_: pitti: sorry on mumble with njpatel :) | 10:17 |
| pitti | didrocks: i. e. want me to reopen and reassign to gtk3? | 10:18 |
| pitti | didrocks: so it's in our global menu bar patch? | 10:18 |
| jasoncwarner_ | :/ seems I did an update and skype got borked? | 10:19 |
| seb128 | pitti, bug #838458 is a duplicate if you want to use that instead | 10:19 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 838458 in appmenu-gtk "Can't use the ALT+Letter keyboard shortcuts" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/838458 | 10:19 |
| pitti | seb128: right, but that's apparently not on DX' radar | 10:20 |
| seb128 | pitti, yes, it's an appmenu issue, unset UBUNTU_MENUPROXY; gedit and it works in gedit | 10:20 |
| pitti | seb128: yes, same for gtimelog | 10:20 |
| pitti | but just invalidating a perfectly triaged bug without a comment is a bit weird | 10:20 |
| seb128 | pitti, it's didrocks who invalided the unity part | 10:21 |
| seb128 | pitti, just do an "also affect appmenu-gtk" I guess | 10:21 |
| seb128 | or reassign | 10:21 |
| seb128 | pitti, the upstream components are still open and it's assigned to ted | 10:21 |
| pitti | ok, done; marked the other one as a dupe | 10:22 |
| pitti | thanks | 10:22 |
| seb128 | pitti, bug #821290 | 10:22 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 821290 in unity-foundations "[panel] Unable to access menus with Alt accelerator keys." [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/821290 | 10:22 |
| seb128 | is on https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-foundations/+milestone/oneiric-final | 10:23 |
| seb128 | pitti, which is the list ted has been using for Oneiric | 10:23 |
| pitti | seb128: I guess we should also dupe that theN? | 10:23 |
| seb128 | pitti, he said yesterday that his remaining bugs were nautilus desktop menu (which he fixed) and this one | 10:23 |
| seb128 | pitti, so I guess he will fix it today | 10:23 |
| seb128 | pitti, I will check with ted when he's online | 10:23 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: 832603 fixed> you rock! | 10:27 |
| rodrigo_ | hmm, which one is that? | 10:27 |
| * rodrigo_ looks | 10:27 | |
| pitti | rodrigo_: gsd crash | 10:28 |
| rodrigo_ | yeah | 10:28 |
| seb128 | was it a real issue? | 10:28 |
| seb128 | or apport noise from segfault on session closing? | 10:28 |
| pitti | not for me, but apparently for rodrigo_'s boss :) | 10:28 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, people were getting it on 1st oneiric boot | 10:28 |
| rodrigo_ | not anymore than once it seems | 10:28 |
| rodrigo_ | yeah, jasoncwarner_ was getting it, it seems | 10:28 |
| seb128 | pitti, we need to teach $bosses that apport noise != real issues ;-) | 10:29 |
| rodrigo_ | I didn't | 10:29 |
| rodrigo_ | yeah :) | 10:29 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, ok | 10:29 |
| rodrigo_ | we should have a cleanup /var/crash for bosses | 10:29 |
| rodrigo_ | scripy | 10:29 |
| rodrigo_ | script | 10:29 |
| jasoncwarner_ | ahem | 10:29 |
| seb128 | well "1st boot" could be "it segfaulted on shutdown and apport trigger on reboot" | 10:29 |
| jasoncwarner_ | *cough* *cough* | 10:29 |
| * rodrigo_ hides :) | 10:29 | |
| jasoncwarner_ | :) | 10:29 |
| jasoncwarner_ | rodrigo_: I'm not getting that one anymore, fyi... | 10:29 |
| jasoncwarner_ | I've got no crashes right now, as a matter of fact | 10:30 |
| seb128 | it's a bit unfortunate that some of those non issues are raising in priority just because they get dups | 10:30 |
| jasoncwarner_ | including zg...which is amazing! | 10:30 |
| rodrigo_ | jasoncwarner_, yeah, you got it only once, right? or more? | 10:30 |
| jasoncwarner_ | rodrigo_: I got it at least twice, but over a period of time, not in a row | 10:31 |
| jasoncwarner_ | but, last one was at least two days ago | 10:31 |
| rodrigo_ | ok, it shouldn't happen anymore with the fix | 10:31 |
| rodrigo_ | I added double checking in the code :) | 10:31 |
| seb128 | mvo, check with ted but yeah I agree that seems risky to land that work now | 10:32 |
| seb128 | mvo, what you could do is to the use libappindicator only under unity and the old codepath otherwise | 10:32 |
| seb128 | mvo, i.e look at XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP and if, then the codepaths | 10:34 |
| mvo | seb128: that is a good idea | 10:39 |
| seb128 | mvo, XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP is set to "Unity" by gnome-session under unity and unity-2d | 10:44 |
| seb128 | mvo, so basically just g_strcmp0 g_getenv("XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP") and "Unity" | 10:44 |
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| mvo | seb128: I need to rewrite a bit more code for that, but I like the idea, that should make it very low risk | 10:45 |
| mvo | except of course: 12 files changed, 300 insertions(+), 118 deletions(-) | 10:46 |
| seb128 | mvo, I would suggest that we should may SRU it | 10:47 |
| seb128 | mvo, it gives extra margin for testing and doesn't risk regression in Oneiric | 10:47 |
| seb128 | mvo, knowing that current oneiric has no issue for users who didn't tweak their key | 10:48 |
| mvo | seb128: indeed | 10:51 |
| mvo | seb128: would you mind putting that in the bug? | 10:51 |
| seb128 | mvo, can do | 10:53 |
| tkamppeter | pitti, compiz seems to have the same problem with its -dbg package as CUPS had, see bug 862241. | 11:36 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 862241 in compiz "compiz crashed with SIGSEGV in PrivateWindow::addWindowStackChanges()" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/862241 | 11:36 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, do you need help with the po thing? | 11:43 |
| mvo | seb128: do you mind if I simply paste the irc bits into the u-n bug? | 11:43 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, no, already done and uploaded | 11:43 |
| seb128 | mvo, sorry I was having lunch, I'm just commenting at the moment, on minute and I commit | 11:43 |
| mvo | seb128: ok, sorry for being pushy | 11:43 |
| mdeslaur | mvo: you need to suspend the screensaver, not just kill it | 11:44 |
| mvo | mdeslaur: right, the upgrader runs as root though | 11:46 |
| mdeslaur | mvo: oh, hrm | 11:46 |
| mvo | yeah :( | 11:47 |
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| seb128 | mvo, done | 11:48 |
| seb128 | mvo, being pushy> it's just fair, I've been pushing you as well | 11:48 |
| seb128 | mvo, with less success though since you still didn't ask about your issue ;-) | 11:48 |
| pitti | argh, again suspend during lunch break | 11:49 |
| seb128 | pitti, yeah, upstream has been discussing it on #control-center and it should be worked today | 11:49 |
| seb128 | pitti, bastien undupped the wrong default bug btw | 11:49 |
| pitti | seb128: I followed up in the original upstream bug, and it seems that it's not really intended upstream either, right | 11:50 |
| seb128 | pitti, he agreed there is a bug | 11:50 |
| GunnarHj | pitti, seb128: Hello! Do you possibly know if lxsession sources ~/.profile at login? The way language-selector works in Lubuntu (bug 857326) indicates that it doesn't. (I hope to know for sure later today.) | 11:52 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 857326 in language-selector "Selecting another preferred language in Lubuntu is confusing" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/857326 | 11:52 |
| mdeslaur | pitti: I'm getting kernel ABI mismatch emails: http://paste.ubuntu.com/699066/ | 11:52 |
| seb128 | hey GunnarHj | 11:52 |
| pitti | GunnarHj: haven't used lxde yet, so I'm not sure; but if it doesn't, it should | 11:52 |
| seb128 | GunnarHj, I don't know either | 11:52 |
| pitti | mdeslaur: erk, forgot l-b-m; copied now, sorry | 11:53 |
| mdeslaur | pitti: np, thanks | 11:53 |
| GunnarHj | pitti, seb128: Ok, thanks! I'll let you know if there actually is a problem. | 11:53 |
| seb128 | thanks | 11:53 |
| pitti | GunnarHj: I see no trace of "profile" in lxsession, so I suppose not; but should that actually be in lxsession, not in the display manager? | 11:55 |
| pitti | GunnarHj: gnome-session doesn't touch it either | 11:55 |
| pitti | GunnarHj: lxdm: | 11:55 |
| pitti | ./data/Xsession:[ -f /etc/xprofile ] && . /etc/xprofile | 11:56 |
| pitti | ./data/Xsession:[ -f ~/.xprofile ] && . ~/.xprofile | 11:56 |
| pitti | GunnarHj: so it seems to miss ~/.profile | 11:56 |
| seb128 | isn't lubuntu using lightdm? | 11:56 |
| pitti | Package: lxdm | 11:56 |
| pitti | Task: lubuntu-desktop | 11:56 |
| pitti | lightdm doesn't have a lubuntu task | 11:57 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: NB that you didn't bump the libnm-gtk-dev to a strict enough version, so powerpc will most likely fail; we can retry its build tomorrow | 11:58 |
| rodrigo_ | pitti, oh, you mean in g-c-c? should I have used == instead of >= ? | 11:59 |
| pitti | - libnm-gtk-dev | 11:59 |
| pitti | + libnm-gtk-dev (>= 0.8.992), | 11:59 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: 0.9.1.90-0ubuntu3 added the missing .pc file, so >= that | 11:59 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: but no biggie | 11:59 |
| rodrigo_ | oh you're right | 11:59 |
| rodrigo_ | yes, I'll change it in the VCS so that it gets in the next upload | 12:00 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: can you please fix the '\' before Description in debian/patches/53_use_ubuntu_help.patch? | 12:00 |
| rodrigo_ | pitti, yes, sure | 12:00 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: seems to have smuggled in by accident | 12:00 |
| rodrigo_ | pitti, no upload needed for that for now neither, right? | 12:00 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: thanks for the update, and for picking out the translations | 12:00 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: no, just for later | 12:00 |
| rodrigo_ | ok | 12:00 |
| rodrigo_ | pitti, ok, both fixed in bzr | 12:02 |
| pitti | cheers | 12:03 |
| pitti | it's so nice to see so many fixes in the queue these days! | 12:03 |
| rodrigo_ | yeah :) | 12:05 |
| seb128 | pitti, do you have any clue until well it will be ok to have fixes uploaded? | 12:06 |
| pitti | seb128: until around october 4 | 12:07 |
| seb128 | pitti, the different between post beta2 and hard freeze is always weird to me | 12:07 |
| seb128 | difference | 12:07 |
| pitti | but of course we are still rather liberal with what we accept today | 12:07 |
| pitti | from tomorrow on we need to be more strict and only accept uploads with targetted bug fixes, less risk, etc. | 12:07 |
| seb128 | right, makes sense | 12:07 |
| seb128 | it means we still have a few days to squash rc bugs ;-) | 12:07 |
| pitti | nominally we are still in feature/ui freeze today | 12:07 |
| pitti | seems some release team folks just preferred reviews of uploads | 12:08 |
| pitti | and indeed we spotted quite a few problems | 12:08 |
| pitti | (although the price for this is quite a lot of review effort) | 12:08 |
| pitti | seb128: but there's no written policy for this, it's pretty much a case-by-case decision plus common sense | 12:09 |
| pitti | (if it was easy, we could script it and wouldn't need a release team, and heck, I could do real work! :-P) | 12:09 |
| seb128 | pitti, I'm fine with the process, I just think the "hard freeze" today is a bit confusing ;-) like I would assume that post beta2 uploads should all be important for oneiric changes and that "hard freeze" would be the day we actual stop taking any fix, i.e around the 4 as you said | 12:10 |
| pitti | seb128: I think it's called "final freeze", not "hard" | 12:10 |
| pitti | pretty much the same as the alpha-*/beta-* freezes | 12:10 |
| seb128 | ups, right | 12:10 |
| pitti | just that this is two weeks instead of one, to get more peer review | 12:10 |
| pitti | that's how I understand and treat it, anyway | 12:10 |
| seb128 | right, anyway what I wantged is the "<pitti> seb128: until around october 4" | 12:11 |
| pitti | the main thing I get out of this is peer review and the release team taking responsibility for what goes in | 12:11 |
| seb128 | i.e I can still fix a rc tomorrow ;-) | 12:11 |
| pitti | yes, absolutely | 12:11 |
| pitti | straigth RC fixes (crashes and what not), or other things are still fine and welcome | 12:11 |
| seb128 | pitti, danke | 12:11 |
| pitti | if they wouldn't be, we could just as well release now | 12:11 |
| seb128 | pitti, right, I think quite some people got confused that rc fixes are still fine after "final freeze" | 12:12 |
| seb128 | I often get questions about it as well | 12:12 |
| seb128 | they expect it to be "we roll isos freeze" | 12:12 |
| seb128 | like "no change from then on" | 12:12 |
| seb128 | anyway, back to work | 12:12 |
| seb128 | thanks ;() | 12:12 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 12:13 |
| pitti | that first smiley's nose must really hurt | 12:13 |
| pitti | ok, finally looking into avidemux | 12:13 |
| pitti | would be a shame to not have it in oneiric | 12:13 |
| seb128 | lol | 12:13 |
| pitti | best video editor we have IMHO | 12:13 |
| pitti | (ok, took that FTBFS bug for not entirely unselfish reasons :) ) | 12:14 |
| rodrigo_ | ok, lunch time, bbl | 12:20 |
| pitti | seb128: you still have "With QA team, arrange a regression test ensuring new items don't appear in Startup Applications by default" | 12:38 |
| pitti | seb128: gnome-session-properties looks pretty good to me, is there still something to be done? | 12:39 |
| seb128 | pitti, not really, dunno who added that item I will check pedro_ | 12:40 |
| seb128 | pedro_, hey ;-) | 12:40 |
| pedro_ | hey | 12:40 |
| pedro_ | seb128, oh i didn't :-P | 12:40 |
| pedro_ | and i'm not in the QA team anymore so better check with jibel | 12:40 |
| pedro_ | :-P | 12:40 |
| pedro_ | jibel, ^ | 12:40 |
| pitti | so, can we state herewith that gnome-session-properties looks as desired and set this to "done"? | 12:40 |
| pitti | it's not even exposed in the control-center shell | 12:41 |
| seb128 | pitti, it's expose in the indicator-session | 12:41 |
| seb128 | pitti, but yeah, the changes are done | 12:42 |
| pitti | oh, nice | 12:42 |
| seb128 | pitti, the item was about having a qa test to make sure that doesn't regress next cycle | 12:42 |
| pitti | oh, I see | 12:42 |
| pitti | set back to todo then | 12:42 |
| mvo | seb128: if you are still involved with libcanberra, could you double check my fix for bug #834403? | 12:52 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 834403 in software-center "software-center crashed with signal 5 in _XError()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/834403 | 12:52 |
| seb128 | mvo, I never was? | 12:53 |
| pitti | ITYM TheMuso ? | 12:53 |
| mvo | seb128: hm, sorry then | 12:54 |
| mvo | pitti: thanks, I will ask him (if he is still online) | 12:54 |
| pitti | mvo: not at this time, he's in Australia | 12:54 |
| * mvo nods | 12:54 | |
| pitti | mvo: this essentially ignores the error; does XGetWindowProperty return false then? | 12:55 |
| pitti | i. e. !Success | 12:55 |
| pitti | strange that it both aborts and delivers a non-success return value | 12:56 |
| pitti | i. e. is this call ok to fail? | 12:56 |
| seb128 | mvo, you should ask to mezcalero on #gnome-hackers, he's upstream for it ;-) | 12:57 |
| mvo | pitti: in the small test program I attached it returns 0 (false) for me, I think its ok, but at this point in the release I always want to have a second opinion. its just a test, if the window does not actually exist its not embeded either | 12:57 |
| pitti | ah, but if the window doesn't exist, X throws that error | 12:57 |
| pitti | ? | 12:57 |
| mvo | yes, that is the problem afaict | 12:58 |
| mvo | the window does not exist or no longer exit | 12:58 |
| mvo | so the xid is invalid | 12:58 |
| mvo | and the wonders of x error reporting kicks in | 12:58 |
| mvo | and makes the whole application abort | 12:58 |
| pitti | mvo: looks fine to me then | 12:58 |
| mvo | seb128: I will try, lets see if they grill me | 12:58 |
| mvo | thanks pitti | 12:59 |
| pitti | mvo: to be fair, you can discuss patches with Lennart just fine, just don't say any of the words "ubuntu", "bzr", or "upstart" :) | 13:00 |
| mvo | pitti: I guess I should not show the link to the debdiff in this case, contains "ubuntu" ;) | 13:01 |
| jibel | seb128, re "With QA team, arrange a regression test ensuring new items don't appear in Startup Applications by default" | 13:15 |
| seb128 | hey jibel | 13:15 |
| jibel | seb128, we need to check the content of /usr/share/gnome/autostart/ and that ~/.config/autostart is empty on a fresh install ? | 13:16 |
| jibel | seb128, salut | 13:16 |
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| seb128 | jibel, can you do graphical matching? | 13:16 |
| seb128 | jibel, would be easier to test that gnome-session-properties has an empty list | 13:17 |
| seb128 | jibel, but yeah otherwise you would need to check that those directory and /etc/xdg/autostart don't have any .desktop which shows in Unity | 13:18 |
| seb128 | jibel, so add logic to check the NoDisplay, OnlyShowIn, etc | 13:18 |
| jibel | seb128, I need to think about it but yes we could use matching. | 13:19 |
| kenvandine | tedg! | 13:21 |
| * tedg crawls back in to his hole | 13:21 | |
| tedg | Three more months of winter. | 13:21 |
| seb128 | jibel, thanks, no hurry we can probably discuss it at UDS | 13:21 |
| seb128 | hey kenvandine tedg | 13:21 |
| kenvandine | hey seb128 | 13:22 |
| kenvandine | tedg, i was just checking to see if you were here and you showed up! | 13:22 |
| kenvandine | tedg, you know what i want :) | 13:22 |
| tedg | kenvandine, You rub my lamp | 13:22 |
| seb128 | tedg, great work on nautilus (or "good" work didrocks had to fix small glitches like calling the old GNOME2 background command) | 13:23 |
| tedg | kenvandine, You want me for my good looks? | 13:23 |
| kenvandine | tedg, of course! | 13:23 |
| jibel | seb128, ok I looked at it quickly, image matching would work. Added to my todo list for next week. | 13:23 |
| seb128 | tedg, now you only need to fix appmenu with gtk3 and didrocks and pitti will stop turning in round looking for you ;-) | 13:23 |
| tedg | seb128, Ah, bummer. Missed that one. | 13:23 |
| seb128 | jibel, thanks | 13:23 |
| pitti | hey tedg, good morning | 13:23 |
| tedg | That patch was surprisingly difficult to port. | 13:23 |
| jibel | seb128, what's the url of the blueprint ? | 13:23 |
| tedg | Think that we can convince upstream to switch to a DVCS that does file movement tracking? ;-) | 13:24 |
| seb128 | jibel, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-startup-applications | 13:24 |
| jibel | thanks | 13:24 |
| tedg | Morning pitti | 13:24 |
| seb128 | tedg, there is a reason why I commented it and didn't port it while we updated to GNOME3 ;-) | 13:24 |
| kenvandine | pitti, i have a revised patch for gtk2 that i'll upload soon, to go along with that qt fix | 13:25 |
| pitti | kenvandine: ah, great | 13:26 |
| kenvandine | sorry i didn't upload yesterday, i wasn't comfortable with it... but feel better about today's :) | 13:27 |
| Sweetshark | Hi there! Is there any way to ask gnome-session if it is just trying to kill the session? | 13:27 |
| * kenvandine waits for gtk to build, again.... | 13:28 | |
| Sweetshark | disregard that | 13:28 |
| tedg | seb128, Feeling the love :-P | 13:28 |
| seb128 | tedg, ;-) | 13:29 |
| pitti | kenvandine: does it take that long for you? with -j4 it's some 5 minutes here | 13:30 |
| Sweetshark | pitti: libreoffice-3.4.3-3ubuntu1 build locally, so soon uploadable. | 13:30 |
| dobey | pitti: so the thing about this core file is that it's from a binary that's only in the source, but not in a binary package; and i don't necessarily need to file the bug against the package. i'm thinking for upstream projects this would be very useful | 13:30 |
| pitti | Sweetshark: ah, bug fix o'mania? :-) | 13:31 |
| kenvandine | 20m or so | 13:31 |
| Sweetshark | pitti: yep | 13:31 |
| kenvandine | i guess i should bump that up | 13:31 |
| pitti | dobey: out of interest, why would you need an apport report if you aren't going to file a bug? | 13:31 |
| seb128 | tedg, btw the session icon just turned red on session restart needed for the first time today, if that's another of your fixes well done ;-) | 13:32 |
| pitti | dobey: anyway, shouldn't be hard to implement; "apport-bug <core file>" should be able to figure out pretty much everything that's needed | 13:32 |
| pitti | seb128: oh, it will do that? | 13:32 |
| tedg | seb128, Yeah, in fact that's the same as the menu hiding one. | 13:32 |
| * ogra_ hugs tedg | 13:33 | |
| seb128 | pitti, it does already ;-) | 13:33 |
| dobey | pitti: i am going to file a bug | 13:34 |
| dobey | pitti: there *are* upstream projects on launchpad ;) | 13:34 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, just for info unity-greeter uses g-s-d with only a few component enabled (basic ones: xsettings, power, etc) | 13:35 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, there was a bug in yesterday's update that the greeter g-s-d wasn't stopped which I reported and robert_ancell fixed it over night | 13:35 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, (just saw your comment on the g-s-d bug from natty) | 13:35 |
| seb128 | pedro_, btw that invalid utf8 g-c-c color bug has the details you asked for, I've set back to New | 13:40 |
| pedro_ | seb128, ok looking at it , thanks for pinging | 13:42 |
| seb128 | pedro_, yw ;-) | 13:44 |
| seb128 | pedro_, how are you btw? | 13:44 |
| seb128 | pedro_, how is Oneiric looking from your qa eyes? | 13:44 |
| seb128 | pedro_, is there any component you are worried about? | 13:44 |
| pedro_ | seb128, doing good and yourself? | 13:44 |
| seb128 | pedro_, I'm great thanks! | 13:44 |
| pedro_ | seb128, seems to be ok in our side, there's still a couple of g-s-d bugs to fix though (hi rodrigo ;-)) and we have the unity factor as well | 13:45 |
| pedro_ | seb128, seems most of the users issues are related to unity crashes or window manager annoyances | 13:46 |
| seb128 | pedro_, yeah, new unity and compiz today | 13:46 |
| seb128 | let's see how it goes after those | 13:46 |
| * pedro_ crossing fingers | 13:47 | |
| didrocks | tedg: oh as well on this patch, you hated french users as well because you used an unstranslated string, I fixed it :p | 13:47 |
| didrocks | but nothing new there ;-) | 13:48 |
| tedg | didrocks, That one was actually for German users, the French just got caught in the cross-fire ;-) | 13:48 |
| pedro_ | salut didrocks :-) | 13:49 |
| didrocks | tedg: how come? German users can understand English, French can't :-) | 13:50 |
| didrocks | salut pedro_ ;) | 13:50 |
| tedg | didrocks, Well, I sold Greece short and if Germany doesn't let them go bankrupt here soon I loose money ;-) | 13:51 |
| didrocks | tedg: heh :-) | 13:51 |
| pitti | that's going to be a "fun" decision in the parliament this week | 13:52 |
| pitti | damned if you do, damned if you don't | 13:52 |
| mvo | tedg: hey! what is the best way of testing if there is a app-incidactor capable thing is running? just check the "connected" property? and if so, I assume at session startup that may actually be false until the indicator area is loaded, right? | 13:53 |
| tedg | mvo, Are you using libappindicator? | 13:53 |
| mvo | tedg: yes | 13:54 |
| tedg | mvo, Yeah, there's connected, and also a connection-changed signal. If you want to do something based on them I'd recommend overriding the the fallback/unfallback functions. | 13:54 |
| mvo | tedg: and the other question is if I can avoid the fallback and/or access the GtkStatusIcon somehow (to use gtk_status_icon_set_tooltip) | 13:54 |
| tedg | mvo, Subclass and override would be the best there. | 13:55 |
| mvo | ok | 13:55 |
| mvo | thanks! | 13:56 |
| tedg | mvo, BTW, if you do that, make sure to tell me. I'd like to use it as an example when people ask :-) | 13:56 |
| tedg | mvo, I think the test suite is the only example today. | 13:56 |
| didrocks | pitti: yeah… quite tricky… | 13:56 |
| mvo | tedg: ok, but I'm not sure you really want this, it will be code written in a rush to meet final-freeze *cough* | 13:57 |
| * tedg pretends he didn't hear that :-) | 13:57 | |
| tedg | mvo, Are you using the GIR version? (I'm guessing this is in Python) | 13:58 |
| mvo | tedg: this is C this time, for the update-notifier | 13:59 |
| mvo | kind of funny that the C is faster to write these days then python because there is proper devhelp available for gtk unlike with pygi… | 13:59 |
| kenvandine | mvo, yeah, and the results are more predictable :/ | 14:00 |
| mvo | ++ | 14:00 |
| mvo | (I would have never dreamed that I would say anything like this) | 14:00 |
| tedg | mvo, Ah, okay. I was curious if anyone was hitting on those bindings much. | 14:00 |
| kenvandine | mvo, me too! | 14:01 |
| * tedg writes in his notes: kenvandine and mvo say that C is faster to write than Python | 14:01 | |
| * kenvandine ignores tedg, as usual | 14:01 | |
| kenvandine | mvo, i am still hopeful that as pygi matures it will be more predictable | 14:02 |
| mvo | kenvandine: yeah, I'm sure it will. I will just take vacation until then | 14:02 |
| * mvo is off | 14:02 | |
| didrocks | mvo: heh, you should use Qt! :-) | 14:04 |
| mvo | :) | 14:04 |
| * kenvandine hates saying that python is not his first choice for new projects | 14:04 | |
| kenvandine | but i can't say i would really consider Qt either :) | 14:04 |
| mvo | kenvandine: what are you prefering these days? | 14:06 |
| mgariepy | chrisccoulson, i am wondering why the defaults/profile directory is not shipped in firefox anymore and if there is another way to populate default profile on firefox first run. | 14:06 |
| kenvandine | vala and C | 14:06 |
| pitti | mvo: oh, already upstream? nice! | 14:06 |
| * mvo nods | 14:06 | |
| chrisccoulson | mgariepy, it's shipped in a jar file | 14:06 |
| kenvandine | vala is still a little unpredictable | 14:06 |
| kenvandine | but quite nice | 14:07 |
| kenvandine | C just works though :) | 14:07 |
| mvo | pitti: yeah, upstream ++ | 14:07 |
| * kenvandine hates C | 14:07 | |
| chrisccoulson | i like C | 14:07 |
| chrisccoulson | i even like C++ | 14:07 |
| chrisccoulson | more than vala ;) | 14:07 |
| kenvandine | but it is very predictable | 14:07 |
| kenvandine | chrisccoulson, i think your nuts... but you have to be to maintain the stuff you do :-D | 14:07 |
| chrisccoulson | lol | 14:08 |
| * kenvandine is thankful for that :-p | 14:08 | |
| chrisccoulson | at least i can write something in C without depending on glib and gobject ;) | 14:08 |
| chrisccoulson | (and C++) | 14:08 |
| kenvandine | i am not sure i could write anything useful without relying on glib | 14:08 |
| pitti | yeah | 14:08 |
| pitti | even with glib people make tons of stupid errors which higher level languages just avoid | 14:09 |
| mgariepy | chrisccoulson, is there way for me to add configuration and not loose it every time there is an update ? | 14:09 |
| pitti | (stupid because we have computers to keep track of references and memory, that's not what human brains are good at) | 14:09 |
| kenvandine | pitti, indeed | 14:09 |
| chrisccoulson | that's why i like C++ | 14:09 |
| chrisccoulson | smart pointers ;) | 14:09 |
| pitti | but without glib, C++, or qt, plain C is just way below the abstraction level that's necessary for developing robust and large apps | 14:10 |
| pitti | (IMNSHO) | 14:10 |
| kenvandine | pitti, yeah | 14:10 |
| rodrigo_ | I like C, but I wouldn't mind having a more modern language to replace it, but so far there is not | 14:13 |
| rodrigo_ | maybe go? | 14:13 |
| rodrigo_ | I haven't really tried it much, apart from some very simple programs | 14:13 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: I think a stable vala plus good documentation would be really nice | 14:14 |
| rodrigo_ | pitti, yes, although it's too similar to java for my taste, but yes, it's starting to be used a lot in new stuff, so maybe's the future | 14:15 |
| kenvandine | the biggest problem with vala is lack of real API docs | 14:15 |
| rodrigo_ | yeah, and unstability | 14:15 |
| kenvandine | some bindings aren't well tested | 14:15 |
| kenvandine | i don't really call it "unstable" | 14:15 |
| kenvandine | it is more that upstreams provide bindings that haven't really been tested | 14:15 |
| kenvandine | so it is a chicken and egg problem | 14:16 |
| kenvandine | people need to use the bindings to find the bugs | 14:16 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: really? it's got nothing of the annoying verbosity of java, and the builtin async methods etc. are really cool | 14:16 |
| rodrigo_ | kenvandine, well, the lang/compiler itself changes a lot, like every folks/gnome-contacts point release needing a new java | 14:16 |
| kenvandine | hehe... you mean vala :) | 14:17 |
| rodrigo_ | pitti, well, tbh I haven't done much in it, so I shouldn't criticize it, but use it for testing :) | 14:17 |
| rodrigo_ | kenvandine, yeah, sorry :) | 14:17 |
| AlanBell | I had a little play with vala when modifying the apps lens, If I understand it right .vala files get processed into .c files which then get compiled | 14:19 |
| rodrigo_ | AlanBell, yes | 14:19 |
| AlanBell | then the c compiler reports errors in the .c files and you go edit the right line in those and it gets in a confusing mess, until you realise where the .c files came from | 14:20 |
| rodrigo_ | yes, that's true also :) | 14:20 |
| kenvandine | the compiler errors are usually from vala, which references the vala sources | 14:21 |
| kenvandine | *usually* | 14:21 |
| didrocks | kenvandine: hum, not that much :) | 14:23 |
| didrocks | kenvandine: I saw too much unity issues which only revealed when building the C part… | 14:23 |
| rodrigo_ | fortunately it doesn't happen much with the last releases, but it used to happen a lot | 14:25 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, hey, richard has moved to not suspend by default in 3.3, so maybe we should do the same in our package? | 14:25 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, he did in 3-2 as well | 14:25 |
| rodrigo_ | oh right, didn't see that cmmit | 14:26 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, can you backport those commits when he's done? | 14:26 |
| kenvandine | didrocks, i did in natty, but hardly at all during the gwibber re-write | 14:26 |
| rodrigo_ | well, we just want one, which is the default values in the schemas | 14:26 |
| seb128 | mvo, you should ask your question again, maybe ping richard, I think he overlooked it | 14:26 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, the others remove some settings, so I wouldn't get them for our package, just let's get them when we get 3.2.1 | 14:27 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, we might want http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-settings-daemon/commit/?id=51ba98ff6346007d252b2450ed4c1a479c41fb19 as well? | 14:27 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, hmm, if you want, I can include it, yes | 14:28 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, what do you think? | 14:29 |
| rodrigo_ | let me see the bug it fixes | 14:29 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, I would like to see if mvo got a reply to the question he asked before in #control-center as well | 14:29 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, the dpms one | 14:30 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, I'm not sure the default change fixes our issue btw | 14:30 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, it seems it does suspend on idle on ac for people who have "never" selected in the ui | 14:30 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, isn't that similar to the one bryce reported? | 14:30 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, bryce reported multiscreen issues no? | 14:31 |
| rodrigo_ | oh ok | 14:31 |
| mvo | ok | 14:31 |
| seb128 | mvo, thanks for re-asking | 14:31 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, hmm, the UI sets the timeout to 0 when 'never' is selected, and g-s-d doesn't do anything if the timeout is 0 | 14:31 |
| dobey | rodrigo_: btw, the tomboy sync settings still don't seem to work? [save] button stays greyed out on the web sync prefs pane; and the default url doesn't have the "?description=Tomboy" in the URL as it was supposed to have | 14:31 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, so is this with the latest packages? | 14:32 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, ok, I will see over sport again today | 14:32 |
| seb128 | pitti, others: did anybody had today's oneiric suspend on idle on ac over lunch? | 14:32 |
| pitti | seb128: yes, had it today | 14:32 |
| pitti | as I reset the dconf keys yesterday | 14:32 |
| rodrigo_ | dobey, hmm, yes that was reported, but not sure what's up, I guess something changed in tomboy's new releases | 14:33 |
| seb128 | pitti, can you check that if you select "never" in the ui it stop doing it tonight? | 14:33 |
| rodrigo_ | pitti, oh, and the timeout is 0 in gsettings? | 14:33 |
| seb128 | pitti, I will try as well but I would like to make sure that's solved | 14:33 |
| pitti | seb128: I'm fairly sure it will; it worked the day before yseterday | 14:33 |
| rodrigo_ | my laptop doesn't suspend with the last packages | 14:33 |
| seb128 | pitti, well, it started applying the suspend on idle with 3.2 tarballs uploaded on monday | 14:34 |
| seb128 | ok, so maybe it's fixed | 14:34 |
| seb128 | I did set it to never | 14:34 |
| seb128 | let's see when I got for an hour sport later ;-) | 14:34 |
| rodrigo_ | ok | 14:35 |
| kenvandine | pitti, gtk uploaded | 14:36 |
| * popey wonders if the network proxy dialog has disappeared intentionally from 11.10 | 14:41 | |
| kenvandine | it was here a few weeks ago... | 14:43 |
| kenvandine | :) | 14:43 |
| rodrigo_ | popey, not intentionally, it's restored in the last package I uploaded | 14:43 |
| dobey | rodrigo_: right, the [save] issue has been there for a while i think :( | 14:43 |
| rodrigo_ | libnm-gtk-dev was missing the .pc file, so the network panel was not built | 14:43 |
| rodrigo_ | dobey, btw, whenever someone tells me about that bug, I try syncing and it doesn't work, so maybe it's a server problem? | 14:44 |
| rodrigo_ | dobey, also, about the "?description=Tomboy" thing, Chipaca told me the other day that was a server thing | 14:44 |
| dobey | rodrigo_: i don't think the server has anything to do with tomboy having broken config | 14:44 |
| rodrigo_ | dobey, I mean the uri part | 14:44 |
| popey | rodrigo_: super, thanks | 14:45 |
| kenvandine | syncing works for me | 14:45 |
| dobey | rodrigo_: no, it's so the server will default to "Tomboy" otherwise it is defaulting to "None" | 14:45 |
| dobey | also, webkit 1.4.3 is totally insane | 14:47 |
| dobey | pitti, seb128, pedro_: so i have made u1ms not crash on my machine with new webkit; however, scrolling in new webkit is completely screwed up | 14:50 |
| seb128 | how so? | 14:50 |
| seb128 | it's a stable serie, it's supposed to be stable :-( | 14:50 |
| dobey | hrmm, well it seems to work right on wiki.ubuntu.com, but breaks on the music store page | 14:52 |
| seb128 | dobey, is the natty version working better? | 14:53 |
| dobey | hrmm, it works better in lp private bugs than i was expecting | 14:54 |
| dobey | seb128: 1.4.2-0ubuntu1 on oneiric works fine | 14:54 |
| dobey | it's just 1.4.3 that is broken | 14:54 |
| dobey | haven't found another good example of the problem, other than the u1ms store page | 14:55 |
| dobey | i think it has to do with the watermarking | 14:55 |
| seb128 | dobey, how is the diff between those versions? can you try webkit 1.4 trunk if there is any fix there? try pinging the webkit guys maybe about it? | 14:56 |
| dobey | seb128: jbicha was saying last night that 1.6 is released; but i don't know if it fixes the crash. and i don't know if it's built in a PPA yet | 14:57 |
| dobey | i can try building trunk and seeing if the testgtk app there is still broken i guess | 14:58 |
| seb128 | dobey, right, well we can't update from 1.4 to 1.6 now it's too late in the cycle | 14:58 |
| dobey | the problem is the new GtkAdjustmentWatcher class in webkit 1.4.3 | 14:59 |
| seb128 | dobey, so we will need to figure a fix for 1.4 or what broke it between 1.4.2 and 1.4.3 | 14:59 |
| dobey | i know what broke; just not sure how to fix | 14:59 |
| seb128 | dobey, you should check with upstream, they would probably have a better opinion on how to fix that issue on 1.4 | 14:59 |
| seb128 | dobey, did you check that they didn't fix it in their 1.4 serie trunk? | 15:00 |
| dobey | seb128: i don't know where 1.4 series is exactly; i have a trunk svn checkout, but that's it. and i'm not sure what specific piece of code broke here; for all i know there could be two entirely separate issues, but both in the scrolling. the issue i'm seeing after making the crash go away with a quick hack, could be in the CSS or JS engines, rather than in the scrolling bits in the gtk front end :( | 15:02 |
| seb128 | dobey, doesn't hurt to just ask on their irc channel in case I guess ;-) | 15:03 |
| dobey | yeah; but would be easier if i could find a good example of the issue i'm seeing, that is somewhere other than the u1ms front page :) | 15:04 |
| ricotz | cyphermox, hello :) | 15:17 |
| cyphermox | ricotz: hey | 15:17 |
| ricotz | why is libnm-gtk0 depending on network-manager? | 15:17 |
| ricotz | this way it creates a circular dep | 15:18 |
| dobey | no it doesn't? | 15:19 |
| cyphermox | dobey: it is in the list | 15:19 |
| ricotz | i think it shouldnt do that | 15:19 |
| dobey | why would the system service depend on gtk+? | 15:19 |
| cyphermox | ricotz: oversight I guess, I set up libnm-gtk0 based on network-manager-gnome | 15:20 |
| ricotz | cyphermox, do you had reason? | 15:20 |
| ricotz | ok | 15:20 |
| cyphermox | is this breaking something? | 15:20 |
| ricotz | probably best to remove it | 15:20 |
| ricotz | this way it seems that g-c-c pulls in the whole network-manager stack | 15:20 |
| cyphermox | well, libnm-gtk0 without network-manager is useless | 15:21 |
| ricotz | i havent checked it myself, but if you dont want network-manager then it is a problem | 15:21 |
| ricotz | yes, but if shouldnt be forced? | 15:22 |
| cyphermox | ricotz: this way you can drop network-manager-gnome if you want to ship just gnome-shell on a cd. | 15:23 |
| cyphermox | gnome-shell/g-c-c will just need libnm-gtk0 and network-manager behind it | 15:23 |
| ricotz | gnome-shell uses the gir and libnm-* | 15:24 |
| cyphermox | right | 15:24 |
| ricotz | but what i mean it shouldnt be mandatory as a depend here | 15:24 |
| ricotz | and as you said you might just overseen | 15:25 |
| ricotz | ... t | 15:25 |
| ricotz | it | 15:25 |
| ricotz | or at least move it to Recommends? | 15:26 |
| mdeslaur | chrisccoulson: who do I torture for crap like this making dbus use 100% of my CPU: http://paste.ubuntu.com/699164/ | 15:28 |
| * desrt hides | 15:28 | |
| seb128 | mdeslaur, tedg | 15:28 |
| seb128 | mdeslaur, it's bug #774071 | 15:29 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 774071 in indicator-datetime "Indicator-datetime-service renders 100% CPU usage" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/774071 | 15:29 |
| mdeslaur | seb128: oh, he's tortured enough as it already is :P | 15:29 |
| mdeslaur | seb128: thanks for the bug | 15:29 |
| tedg | mdeslaur, You need a faster dbus. | 15:29 |
| seb128 | mdeslaur, random guess I had about it is that it might happen when the service try to fetch even from password protected calendar while unlocked | 15:29 |
| mdeslaur | tedg: I'll order one right away | 15:29 |
| seb128 | mdeslaur, i.e if you didn't open evolution | 15:29 |
| tedg | seb128, It's not that, it's based on auth errors from Google. | 15:30 |
| seb128 | tedg, ok, that was a random guess try | 15:30 |
| * desrt notes that indicators have a fantastic propensity for flooding dbus | 15:30 | |
| tedg | seb128, Each time it returns an error we start a slow infinite loop. You get enough errors, they add up. | 15:30 |
| seb128 | tedg, good to see that the issue is understood ;-) | 15:30 |
| mdeslaur | seb128: no, my calendars are all unlocked right now | 15:31 |
| seb128 | tedg, is the assignee of that bug right btw? who is antti? | 15:31 |
| tedg | seb128, He is a new DXer | 15:31 |
| seb128 | mdeslaur, tedg has an explanation, better than my wrong guess ;-) | 15:31 |
| seb128 | tedg, ok, great ;-) | 15:31 |
| seb128 | desrt, ^ | 15:32 |
| desrt | seb128: i saw that. | 15:33 |
| desrt | i cancelled my mbarnes ping :) | 15:33 |
| seb128 | desrt, ok ;-) | 15:33 |
| pitti | seb128: i386 retracer crash> can't see an obvious reason, just restarting | 15:42 |
| seb128 | pitti, thanks | 15:42 |
| chrisccoulson | mdeslaur, not my fault ;) | 15:47 |
| chrisccoulson | it's never my fault | 15:47 |
| mdeslaur | chrisccoulson: sound like something someone guilty would say :) | 15:48 |
| mdeslaur | chrisccoulson: don't worry, I've found the responsible party | 15:49 |
| chrisccoulson | i knew it was the security teams fault all along! ;) | 15:49 |
| pitti | good night everyone | 15:52 |
| tkamppeter | didrocks, are bug 861542 and bug 861793 not the same? The latter is "Fix Released" and the former has tons of duplicates. | 15:52 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 861542 in compiz "compiz crashed with SIGSEGV in PrivateWindow::addWindowStackChanges()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/861542 | 15:52 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 861793 in unity "compiz crashed with SIGSEGV in PrivateWindow::addWindowStackChanges()" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/861793 | 15:52 |
| didrocks | tkamppeter: they are, the second is fixed now with the latest compiz | 15:55 |
| didrocks | tkamppeter: just duped them, thanks! | 15:56 |
| tkamppeter | rodrigo_, tried your "Never" turn off screen. Seems that it is only a new menu entry but not backed by actual code. It folds to the "1 minute" setting. Simply choose "Never" log out log in and you are on "1 minute". | 15:59 |
| tkamppeter | didrocks, thanks. | 15:59 |
| rodrigo_ | tkamppeter, hmm, right | 16:00 |
| rodrigo_ | tkamppeter, can you open a bug? | 16:00 |
| rodrigo_ | tkamppeter, there is code manages that, but seems it's wrong | 16:00 |
| tkamppeter | rodrigo_, have reopened bug 862154 already. | 16:01 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 862154 in gnome-control-center "[UIFe] Add back the "never turn screen off" option" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/862154 | 16:01 |
| === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|jfood | ||
| pfox___ | howdy.. im using the gnome-shell ppa and oneiric b2.. i installed gnome-shell and, im curious, how to install the rest of the "gnome desktop" ie the evolution/calendar integration with the shell, the contacts app, etc | 16:29 |
| pfox___ | is there a blanket package for all of that? | 16:29 |
| tkamppeter | Can someone sponsor the upload for bug 862536 for me? It is a little, near trivial patch which solves an incompatibility between XDVI and Ghostscript 9.04. | 16:35 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 862536 in texlive-bin "Zooming pages with EPS figures does not work correctly in XDVI" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/862536 | 16:35 |
| tkamppeter | pitti ^^ | 16:35 |
| pitti | agateau, kenvandine: hm, even with the new gtk patch I still get bug 848808 :( | 16:37 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 848808 in overlay-scrollbar "metacity crashed with SIGABRT in __kernel_vsyscall() with overlay-scrollbars" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/848808 | 16:37 |
| pitti | QWidget::setMinimumSize: (/MainInterface) The largest allowed size is (16777215,16777215) | 16:37 |
| pitti | still there | 16:37 |
| pitti | tkamppeter: do you have the sources.changes somewhere? texlive-bin is rather large | 16:38 |
| kenvandine | damn | 16:39 |
| kenvandine | agateau, ^^ | 16:39 |
| dobey | seb128: btw, my laptop didn't suspend automatically while i was at lunch. i left it plugged in and open to test that | 16:39 |
| tkamppeter | pitti, I can upload them. The debdiff is small and attached to the bug. | 16:39 |
| tkamppeter | pitti, I will send them to you by e-mail, as the Linux Foundation is still down. | 16:40 |
| pitti | tkamppeter: great, thanks; .dsc, diff.gz, and sources.changes, please | 16:40 |
| tkamppeter | pitti, mail is on the way. | 16:45 |
| pitti | tkamppeter: thanks, uploaded | 16:52 |
| pitti | good night! | 16:52 |
| tkamppeter | pitti, thanks | 16:55 |
| rodrigo_ | out for a bit, bbl | 16:56 |
| tkamppeter | pitti, kenvandine, agateau, didrocks, I can also confirm that the overlay scrollbar problem is still not fixed. If I try to open "Settings" in the menu of hp-systray, hp-systray still crashes. | 16:58 |
| tkamppeter | pitti, kenvandine, agateau, didrocks, I have all updates, including gtk+2.0. Only there never appeared a new overlay-scrollbar package under the updates. Is this also needed? | 16:59 |
| kenvandine | tkamppeter, afaik, there didn't need to be a change to that | 16:59 |
| tkamppeter | pitti, kenvandine, agateau, didrocks, as before "LIBOVERLAY_SCROLLBAR=0 hp-systray" makes it working. | 17:01 |
| kenvandine | agateau, any chance the cause of the hp-systray crash is different? | 17:03 |
| tkamppeter | kenvandine, for what is then the overlay-scrollbar task? | 17:04 |
| kenvandine | tkamppeter, not sure | 17:04 |
| Sweetshark | http://asimplediscipleslife.blogspot.com/2011/09/how-to-not-ask-for-help-in-open-source.html <- best troll ever. | 17:09 |
| dobey | Sweetshark: i disagree | 17:11 |
| dobey | <- best troll ever | 17:11 |
| kenvandine | dobey, you are a damn good troll | 17:12 |
| kenvandine | :-D | 17:12 |
| dobey | heh | 17:13 |
| dobey | :) | 17:13 |
| Sweetshark | dobey: If I disagree, I instantly lose, right? | 17:13 |
| dobey | Sweetshark: you lose either way :) | 17:17 |
| === MacSlow|jfood is now known as MacSlow | ||
| === seb128_ is now known as seb128 | ||
| dobey | seb128_: webkit-1.4 tip doesn't fix either the crash or the weird scrolling, sadly :( | 17:42 |
| seb128 | dobey, can we roll back the change that introduced the bug or is something else relying on those? | 17:43 |
| seb128 | dobey, did you ask upstream about the issue? | 17:43 |
| dobey | seb128: i haven't asked yet; i *just* finished building webkit-1.4 and testing it. i'll poke now though | 17:43 |
| seb128 | ok | 17:44 |
| dobey | seb128: and the change is pretty big i think; not sure how easy it is to roll it back | 17:44 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, still there? | 17:48 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, the feedback on the "never turn off the screen" bug is not good | 17:49 |
| DBO | seb128, who is the current sound guru? | 17:53 |
| seb128 | DBO: diwic or TheMuso | 17:53 |
| DBO | TheMuso, can you help me with a sound issue? | 17:54 |
| seb128 | DBO: diwic is not on this channel but he is on #ubuntu-devel | 17:54 |
| seb128 | DBO: he's .au so probably sleeping | 17:54 |
| DBO | damned australians | 17:54 |
| didrocks | back, just + 5 min from the autohibernate :) | 17:58 |
| dobey | hrmm | 17:59 |
| tkamppeter | didrocks, rodrigo_ seb128, I have two Oneiric boxes which were idle for some time, both set to never auto-suspend, both on AC, one of them always auto-suspends. | 18:20 |
| didrocks | tkamppeter: known issue | 18:20 |
| * didrocks waves good evening | 18:28 | |
| ogra_ | seb128, you still around ? whats the equivalent of gnome-open in the new world order ? i just noticed that our .desktop fiel to add the TI PPA uses that | 18:58 |
| ogra_ | *file | 18:58 |
| seb128 | ogra_, use xdg-open | 18:58 |
| seb128 | it's cross desktop, otherwise gvfs-open | 18:59 |
| * ogra_ tries and prays it understands apt: urls | 18:59 | |
| * ogra_ hugs seb128 ... seems to fire up sw-center | 19:00 | |
| seb128 | uw ;-) | 19:00 |
| ogra_ | now i wish my gsettings override would work too | 19:01 |
| seb128 | ogra_, how did you do it? | 19:04 |
| jbicha | seb128: could you sync devhelp 3.2 from sid? it looks like bugfixes to me | 19:05 |
| ogra_ | i followed http://www.burtonini.com/blog/computers/gsettings-override-2011-07-04-15-45 and set the whole value for favorites as described there in an override file | 19:05 |
| ogra_ | but the favorites dont change | 19:05 |
| seb128 | jbicha, not sure, I don't know if a sync will bypass the review queue or not, I need to check with pitti | 19:06 |
| seb128 | ogra_, did you try a guest session? | 19:07 |
| jbicha | seb128: it still goes into the review queue but feel free to ask | 19:07 |
| ogra_ | hmm, no, good idea | 19:07 |
| seb128 | jbicha, are those syncs done using the launchpad api and the new script or archive admin syncs? | 19:07 |
| seb128 | ogra_, it's not likely to work on an user session since the config is writen in your user config on first run | 19:07 |
| ogra_ | oh | 19:07 |
| seb128 | ogra_, i.e if you want to test the system default you need to unset the user key | 19:08 |
| ogra_ | ok | 19:08 |
| ogra_ | where is the user key ? | 19:08 |
| ogra_ | i find no indication in .config or .local | 19:08 |
| ogra_ | is that in the dconf dir ? | 19:08 |
| seb128 | ues | 19:08 |
| seb128 | yes | 19:08 |
| jbicha | seb128: I don't know how he does it, but I've initiated syncs with the new LP web interface & with syncpackage & both hit the unapproved queue | 19:09 |
| seb128 | jbicha, ok, will check | 19:09 |
| seb128 | ogra_, gsettings reset com.canonical.Unity.Launcher favorites | 19:10 |
| ogra_ | seb128, well, it works in the guest sessions | 19:10 |
| ogra_ | thansk so much, though how is that handled with package upgardes that change system defaults ? | 19:11 |
| ogra_ | (just out of curiosity i dont want to do that) | 19:11 |
| ogra_ | do you reset the user db ? | 19:11 |
| seb128 | ogra_, we don't | 19:11 |
| seb128 | it's not new | 19:11 |
| seb128 | like we never resetted the gnome-panel layout on upgrade neither | 19:12 |
| seb128 | we had hacks with autostart in the session to add indicator-applet when really needed | 19:12 |
| ogra_ | but dconf carries app defaults too | 19:12 |
| seb128 | but we never reset configs | 19:12 |
| seb128 | ogra_, you mean? | 19:12 |
| ogra_ | but we used to update system defaults | 19:12 |
| seb128 | ogra_, right, new default apply to new users | 19:12 |
| ogra_ | and in gconf if the user had never changed a key he just got the new defaults | 19:13 |
| seb128 | ogra_, like you wouldn't want to see all your custom launchers dropped on upgrade | 19:13 |
| ogra_ | no, indeed | 19:13 |
| seb128 | ogra_, right, same in gsettings | 19:13 |
| seb128 | ogra_, out of the fact that unity write the config in your user config | 19:13 |
| ogra_ | but different for favorites ? | 19:13 |
| ogra_ | aha | 19:13 |
| ogra_ | so its not a dconf shortcoming | 19:13 |
| ogra_ | but unity ... k | 19:13 |
| seb128 | ogra_, it's like gnome-panel which was,is writing the panel layout on first start | 19:14 |
| seb128 | right | 19:14 |
| ogra_ | yep, understood now | 19:14 |
| seb128 | unity "bug" or limitation | 19:14 |
| ogra_ | thanks once more :) | 19:14 |
| seb128 | it might be due to the fact that they migrate the config from gconf to gsettings | 19:14 |
| seb128 | yw | 19:14 |
| seb128 | so they read from gconf and write in gsettings | 19:14 |
| seb128 | they might not check if there config is modified while doing that | 19:15 |
| ogra_ | does glib-compile-schemas require dbus and the like ? | 19:15 |
| ogra_ | when i run it i'm chrooted | 19:15 |
| ogra_ | s/i'm/i will be/ | 19:15 |
| seb128 | I don't think it does | 19:15 |
| seb128 | desrt, ^ | 19:15 |
| ogra_ | good | 19:15 |
| dobey | seb128: good news; crasher apparently fixed in 1.6, and i cherrypicked the fix, and proposed a branch for oneiric with the fix. | 19:16 |
| seb128 | dobey, great | 19:16 |
| seb128 | dobey, do you need sponsoring? | 19:16 |
| dobey | seb128: infinity said he would sponsor it in a bit | 19:17 |
| seb128 | ok, great ;-) | 19:17 |
| seb128 | dobey, thanks a lot for working on it! | 19:17 |
| dobey | seb128: sure; would be bad to have crashy music store and IM client in fresh oneiric install :) | 19:18 |
| broder | does oneiric's unity not have a reboot required indication anymore? | 19:21 |
| jbicha | broder: my sytem menu power cog thing turns red when I have updates that want a reboot | 19:27 |
| broder | hmm..mine doesn't seem to do that with oneiric (it did on natty) | 19:27 |
| broder | but i haven't taken updates in a few days | 19:27 |
| jbicha | yeah it was just fixed this week | 19:27 |
| broder | ah, ok. cool | 19:28 |
| desrt | ogra_: no. glib-compile-schemas doesn't use dbus at all | 19:38 |
| ogra_ | desrt, so i can just run it chrooted without any extra preparation ? | 19:38 |
| desrt | yes. that should be completely fine. | 19:39 |
| ogra_ | awesome ! | 19:39 |
| stgraber | ogra_: I do it from casper in Edubuntu, works fine (altering the list of unity launchers for the live session) | 19:48 |
| ogra_ | stgraber, oh, awesome, code i can steal !! | 19:48 |
| stgraber | ogra_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/699291/ | 19:49 |
| * ogra_ hugs stgraber | 19:51 | |
| ogra_ | awesome ! | 19:51 |
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| akgraner | Hi all is there an official announcements for ubuntu font monospace anywhere? | 22:32 |
| akgraner | s/announcements/announcement | 22:33 |
| akgraner | and if so can you point me to it - so we can add it to UWN and the Fridge | 22:33 |
| jbicha | akgraner: it's not been officially released, has it? | 22:34 |
| akgraner | jbicha, that's what I am trying to find out | 22:34 |
| charlie-tca | Best I have seen is the announcement for the beta | 22:34 |
| akgraner | since people are talking about it today | 22:34 |
| jbicha | it was still in beta last I heard, it's not in Ubuntu yet either | 22:34 |
| akgraner | thank you - then I'm holding off on inclusion - thank you! :-) | 22:35 |
| jbicha | hmm, omgubuntu made an announcement but it looks premature | 22:36 |
| akgraner | sorta what I thought since I couldn't find anything office :-/ | 22:39 |
| jbicha | oh, it's definitely in the fonts.ubuntu.com 0.80 download, they just didn't update their site | 22:40 |
| jbicha | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-font-family/phased-beta/0.80 | 22:42 |
| jbicha | bug 821876 for inclusion in Oneiric, not approved yet | 22:45 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 821876 in ubuntu-font-family-sources "FFe: New upstream version Ubuntu Font Family 0.72 (Ubuntu Mono hinted and Ubuntu Condensed hinted)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/821876 | 22:45 |
| akgraner | jbicha, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/font/2011-September/000001.html | 22:47 |
| akgraner | I didn't even know there was a font mailing list...*sigh* | 22:48 |
| jbicha | akgraner: yeah the announcement wasn't very prominent, maybe it will get a writeup on design.canonical.com | 22:49 |
| akgraner | one would think...hope...wish... but I digress...:-) | 22:50 |
| akgraner | you'd think someone would have sent it to the news team....again *sigh* me goes to send a very *polite* email :-) | 22:52 |
| jbicha | akgraner: you can ping sladen about it, he's online now | 22:52 |
| akgraner | I will :-) thanks | 22:52 |
| akgraner | dang it he's even in the news team channel - triple *sigh* - a "Bless your heart" is about to be uttered in my house ;-) | 22:54 |
| jbicha | akgraner: master bug looks like bug 854264 | 22:56 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 854264 in ubuntu-font-family-sources "UVFe & FFe: New upstream version of Ubuntu Font Family 0.80" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/854264 | 22:56 |
| jbicha | akgraner: looks like it was just uploaded to Oneiric but at the moment it's not enabled as default mono font | 23:00 |
| akgraner | just trying to make sure we keep the fridge updated and include all this goodness in UWN this weekend | 23:01 |
| jbicha | enabling it by default is a bit riskier | 23:01 |
| RAOF | I'm lead to believe that some people have been reporting Unity problems after my gnome-desktop upload, but I've not got backscroll for that. Are there bugs reported? | 23:38 |
| jbicha | RAOF: Unity's broken on my CR-48 that might be related, give me a bit to reboot it | 23:49 |
| RAOF | jbicha: Ta. | 23:49 |
| jbicha | RAOF: yesterday I posted this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/698727/ | 23:53 |
| jbicha | the CR-48 is a small Chromebook, it's not been hooked up to a monitor & it used to work fine | 23:53 |
| RAOF | And once you're in the session GL works fine? | 23:54 |
| jbicha | no, compiz won't run | 23:54 |
| RAOF | Can you pastebin the output of ?LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo?? | 23:55 |
| jbicha | GNOME Shell runs, so it's not a normal error | 23:55 |
| RAOF | Hm. | 23:57 |
| jbicha | Unity is running now, not sure what changed | 23:58 |
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