[01:30] <iheartubuntu> thank god for the CA team mailing list
[04:35] <pleia2> I am now 30 years old
[04:35] <TheTinker> but not 5 minutes ago?
[04:35] <nhaines> \o/
[04:35] <nhaines> Happy birthday, pleia2!  :)
[04:36] <pleia2> TheTinker: was born at 12:35 eastern :)
[04:36] <pleia2> so no, not 5 minutes ago
[04:36] <akk> Happy birthday pleia2!
[04:36] <pleia2> nhaines: thanks :)
[04:36] <pleia2> thanks akk!
[04:36] <TheTinker> then your birthday isn't until tomorrow
[04:37] <pleia2> yeah, since I live out here now
[04:37] <pleia2> but age wise it's accurate!
[04:37] <TheTinker> it's bad luck to wish someone a happy birthday beforehand
[04:38] <akk> pleia2 is modern and beyond timezones.
[04:38] <pleia2> hehe
[04:38] <rww> I can't set my phone to UTC :(
[04:38] <rww> It resets itself to my local time ;(
[04:38] <pleia2> I just keep 3 clocks around
[04:39] <pleia2> (I work for a company on the east coast)
[04:39] <TheTinker> rww: haha. skype for android insists on showing me as being on UTC regardless of local time
[04:39] <rww> You should give me your phone, obviously.
[05:11] <DarkwingDuck> rww: I found a good program for UTC on android.
[05:16] <grantbow> DarkwingDuck: what is the name?
[05:17] <pleia2> grantbow: btw, forget if I told you but your blog is on the california planet now (jono's too)
[05:17] <DarkwingDuck> grantbow: myUTC Clock. It displays as a widget on the screen for a host of different timezones that you want.
[05:17] <DarkwingDuck> Free BTW
[05:17] <jono> pleia2, woo!
[05:18] <DarkwingDuck> Hey jono
[05:18] <jono> hey DarkwingDuck
[05:18] <DarkwingDuck> Hows life?
[05:21] <grantbow> DarkwingDuck: thanks
[05:21] <grantbow> jono: rock on old man
[05:22] <jono> grantbow, :-)
[05:22] <jono> grantbow, how is Africa?
[05:24] <DarkwingDuck> ugh, translation deadline is tomorrow
[05:38] <grantbow> Nairobi is great but as I wrote at http://berkeleylug.com I miss Bobby G's Pizzeria
[06:21] <bkerensa> pleia2: u about?
[06:21] <pleia2> yep
[06:21] <bkerensa> pleia2: do you see any benefit or drawback to not using 64bit iso for 64bit arch/
[06:22] <pleia2> what else would you use?
[06:22] <bkerensa> 32bit?
[06:22] <bkerensa> :D
[06:22] <pleia2> oh I see what you're asking
[06:23] <pleia2> well, AFAIK there is still no acrobat reader for 64-bit, and there are some other proprietary things out there that are cranky
[06:23] <bkerensa> hmm
[06:23] <bkerensa> k
[06:23] <pleia2> but whatever, I've run 64-bit on my desktop for over a year and a half without too much pain
[06:23] <bkerensa> pleia2: Do you know is distributed computing performs better if I'm running 64bit?
[06:24] <pleia2> I don't know
[06:24] <bkerensa> I heard something about 64bit being able to do complex tasks in shorter time
[06:24] <bkerensa> :P
[06:24] <nhaines> Ubuntu 11.10 is multiarch, so it should be able to install 32-bit Debian packages when 64-bit ones are not available.
[06:25] <pleia2> nhaines: well, multiarch is *improved* anyway :)
[06:25] <bkerensa> oh cool
[06:25] <bkerensa> Cool
[06:25] <bkerensa> Well I just got a new laptop
[06:25] <bkerensa> :D
[06:25] <bkerensa> Dell with a i5 and 6GB DDR3
[06:25] <bkerensa> :D
[06:25] <bkerensa> and it came with this thing called Windows 7?
[06:25] <bkerensa> no idea what that is :P
[06:25] <rww> bkerensa: depends on the distributed computing
[06:26] <bkerensa> rww: some WCG project
[06:26] <bkerensa> its like looking for proteins
[06:26] <bkerensa> so folding I guess
[06:26] <bkerensa> :P
[06:26] <rww> that's 90% of WCG projects :P
[06:27] <rww> anyway. the only WCG project that has a 64-bit application is CCW
[06:27] <bkerensa> pleia2: Sadly I'm considering shrinking the Windows Partiton and keeping it so I can use Adobe for video editing :P
[06:27] <rww> the rest are 32-bit, and WCG is closed-source, so no recompiling for you
[06:27] <bkerensa> indeed
[06:27] <bkerensa> :P
[06:28] <rww> so no, it won't make any difference
[06:28] <bkerensa> ok then 32bit it is :P
[06:28] <pleia2> bkerensa: so 64-bit code will take advantage of speedy things on 64-bit, but you also have a RAM tradeoff (64-bit tends to use more RAM), but if you're on 32-bit you have the bigmem trade-off in the kernel that's handling more ramstuffs than it was originally intended to
[06:28] <rww> over at SETI@home, they do some glorious things with optimized applications, but doing nothing really quickly is still nothing :\
[06:29]  * bkerensa shakes pitchfork at rww
[06:29] <bkerensa> :P
[06:29] <bkerensa> S@H is good
[06:29] <bkerensa> :P
[06:29] <pleia2> I just go with 64-bit wherever I can because the future is nice
[06:29] <bkerensa> I did it for 5 years
[06:29] <bkerensa> I hope all the wasted energy contributed to something good :P
[06:29] <pleia2> aliens are awesome
[06:30] <bkerensa> pleia2: Yeah well with this new laptop I can actually run UNITY (The Future)
[06:30] <bkerensa> :P
[06:30] <bkerensa> even though unity will run flawlessly I cant say I like it :P
[06:30] <rww> bkerensa: what's your nick on BOINC projects? just bkerensa?
[06:31] <bkerensa> rww: I had another one but I stopped so idk what the original one was (I was 16 so idk) but yeah it bkerensa now
[06:31] <rww> http://boincstats.com/search/all_projects.php?cpid=8a283a9fd761c0f685f92e27df2d7fdb :3
[06:31] <bkerensa> I started a Ubuntu Oregon WCG team and tgm4883 kicked my butt
[06:32] <rww> although the stats on that are broken before october. my CPID broke
[06:32] <bkerensa> rww: You contribute to DC?
[06:32] <rww> bkerensa: yes. I was on SETI Classic back in the day :3
[06:32] <bkerensa> Nice
[06:33] <rww> had a pooled account with my ex for a while, left it with her when we split, 595k is in the last three or so years I guess
[06:33] <pleia2> seti classic back in the day was great
[06:34]  * rww got bored and turned BOINC back on the other day, will probably be running it through winter
[06:34]  * pleia2 hasn't turned it on since 2009 :\
[06:34] <bkerensa> lol
[06:34] <bkerensa> I have rogue BOINC sessions
[06:34] <rww> going to see how high i can get my overclock to go, which is the main reason I do it
[06:35] <rww> GPU computation broke any sort of actual competition :\
[06:35] <bkerensa> ie: I installed boinc on one laptop I sold and it was a clean install and someone never wiped it
[06:35] <bkerensa> so
[06:35] <bkerensa> yeah someone somewhere is contributing via my boinc profile and has been for like a year
[06:35] <bkerensa> =o
[06:35] <rww> lol
[06:35] <pleia2> hah
[06:35] <bkerensa> -.-
[06:35] <rww> there's an Ubuntu team, btw
[06:35] <bkerensa> yeah :D
[06:36] <bkerensa> and a Ubuntu Oregon team :P
[06:36] <rww> Ubuntu has a bit more people in it :P
[06:37] <bkerensa> rww: Did you know of Team Starfire?
[06:37] <bkerensa> Crunchenstein :D
[06:37] <rww> it rings a bell
[06:39] <bkerensa> Was like the largest distributed computing team in the world
[06:39] <bkerensa> :P
[06:39] <bkerensa> Broadbandreports.com/DSLR.com ran it
[06:39] <bkerensa> they had a huge crunching cluster
[06:41] <bkerensa> gnight all
[06:41] <pleia2> night
[15:49] <nhaines> I am happy because Ubuntu Mono has been released (with work-in-progress hinting, though)!
[15:49] <nhaines> http://font.ubuntu.com/
[16:45] <nhaines> Ubuntu One for Windows has been released: https://one.ubuntu.com/downloads/windows/
[16:52] <grantbow> good for Ubuntu One
[16:52] <pleia2> sheesh, busy day today :)
[16:53] <grantbow> it has been ;-)
[16:53] <pleia2> also birthday \o/
[16:53] <pleia2> but I have to work
[16:53] <grantbow> Happy birthday!
[16:53] <pleia2> thanks :)
[16:53] <pleia2> I'm 30!
[16:54] <grantbow> \o/
[16:57] <DarkwingDuck> Happy birthday old lady. :)
[16:58] <pleia2> haha, thanks
[16:58] <akk> Never trust anyone over 30!
[17:00] <nhaines> It's true!
[17:00]  * nhaines is 31.
[17:01] <pleia2> really? huh
[17:01] <pleia2> nicely done
[17:01] <pleia2> :)
[17:01] <nhaines> :)
[17:02] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[17:02] <DarkwingDuck> I'm still 28
[17:03] <grantbow> i'm old
[17:04] <akk> I'm old too.
[17:15] <pleia2> so am I supposed to do the celebratory (or not!) watching of Logan's Run today? :)
[17:16] <bkerensa> pleia2: I got the coolest USB thumdrive EVER!
[17:16] <bkerensa> I mean I have had some cool thumbdrives too like lego men and even a Chevron usb
[17:16] <bkerensa> :D
[17:16] <bkerensa> I got two 4GB Lifestraw USB's :D
[17:17] <pleia2> bkerensa: neat
[17:18] <bkerensa> yeah I love USB's :D
[17:21] <akk> Was 30 the age in Logan's Run? I thought it was younger than that.
[17:22] <TheTinker> nope
[17:22] <TheTinker> 30
[17:23] <TheTinker> although, in the tv series version, there were people who ran things and were partially exempt to age 60
[17:24] <akk> Interesting, wikipedia says in the book it was 21, but the film used 30. (I never read the book, though, so I can't plead that as my excuse for being wrong. :)
[17:24] <akk> Maybe they couldn't find enough under-21-looking actors.
[17:25] <nhaines> Humans don't really grow up until they hit 26.
[17:26] <TheTinker> michael york did not look 30 until he was at least 50
[17:27] <TheTinker> or am i misremembering who played logan?
[17:27] <akk> No, you remembered right.
[17:28] <akk> And yes, he was very young looking.
[17:28] <akk> A lot of the other actors weren't, though.
[17:28] <TheTinker> he didn't even look old in the austin powers movies
[18:08] <nhaines> pleia2: pretty much I hope you like cats.  :P
[18:09] <pleia2> cats++
[18:10] <TheTinker> /nick cats
[18:16] <nhaines> Not all cats are good.  Like CATS, for example.  In AD 2101, War was Beginning.
[18:16] <nhaines> CATS: How are you gentlemen !!  You have no chance to survive make your time.
[18:17] <rww> okay good, i'm not the only one whose mind went to AYBABTU
[18:18] <TheTinker> mine went to an ARM platform debian used to support
[18:19] <pleia2> and ubuntu is supporting in 11.10
[18:21] <nhaines> \o/
[18:22] <TheTinker> what?
[18:22] <TheTinker> ubuntu is supporting armv4l?
[18:22] <pleia2> TheTinker: http://blog.canonical.com/2011/08/16/armserver/
[18:23] <pleia2> they've been putting crazy amounts of effort into arm for the past couple of years
[18:23] <pleia2> it's exciting that they're finally release ready (although I still may wait until 12.04 to get one for my own ;))
[18:23] <TheTinker> i see no mention on that page of armv4l
[18:24] <pleia2> arm4l?
[18:24] <TheTinker> last i checked, ubuntu arm required cortex or later
[18:24] <pleia2> no, these are all new generation arms
[18:25] <TheTinker> you implied ubuntu arm 11.10 supports CATS
[18:25] <pleia2> I was actually making a more generic arm comment
[18:25] <pleia2> sorry for the confusion
[18:26] <nhaines> CATS strikes again !!
[18:26] <TheTinker> meow
[22:30] <pleia2> nhaines: how'd you find out about the new monospace font?
[22:35] <nhaines> pleia2: I know everything.
[22:35] <pleia2> :P
[22:36] <nhaines> pleia2: also I've been waiting impatiently (psladen has been far nicer than I probably deserve, heh) and I think I got an email announcement this morning.
[22:36] <pleia2> nhaines: aha, was it sent to a list?
[22:36] <akk> What new monospace font is this?
[22:37] <nhaines> akk: Ubuntu Mono
[22:37] <nhaines> pleia2: possibly the Ubuntu Font list!
[22:37] <pleia2> I didn't even know we had such a thing
[22:37] <nhaines> Neither did I?
[22:38] <nhaines> Ooh, I might adjust some of the community business cards to use it (for GPG signatures and such) now that it's officially released.
[22:38] <nhaines> I've been using the font for about two months now, though.  It's fantastic.  :)
[22:41] <akk> Is there a public PPA or a ttf file?
[22:41] <nhaines> pleia2: why did you want to know?
[22:41] <pleia2> nhaines: if it's real "woo we released monospace font" news I wanted to add the official announcement link to UWN
[22:41] <nhaines> akk: http://font.ubuntu.com/ has a zip file.
[22:41] <nhaines> pleia2: aha!  In that case I'll find it for you.  :)
[22:41] <akk> Thanks, nhaines
[22:42] <pleia2> thank you :)
[22:42] <bkerensa> <the-wes> -they might revoke your ubuntuhood
[22:42] <bkerensa> ;p
[22:42] <pleia2> omgubuntu posted about it, but they tend to post things prematurely often to get the scoop
[22:42] <nhaines> pleia2: pretty much.
[22:42] <bkerensa> told u the lugs up here are not to Ubuntu friendly :P
[22:43] <nhaines> akk: the package I have is 0.80~rc-0ubuntu3+arabic+console
[22:43] <nhaines> akk: so I assume that 0.8 will hit oneiric any minute.  Donno if it'll hit lucid, maverick, or natty.
[22:44] <nhaines> bkerensa: I don't know what that means.  :P
[22:44] <pleia2> does lucid even have the ubuntu font? (it didn't, but could have been backported)
[22:45] <bkerensa> nhaines: Oh... the #ORLUG people hate Canonical/Ubuntu mostly :P so they flame me for focusing my chatter around Ubuntu ;)
[22:45] <pleia2> ah, in lucid-updates http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=ttf-ubuntu-font-family
[22:45] <bkerensa> nhaines: and when it gets hot in there I tell them I have no comment due to CoC and they poke fun at that :)
[22:45] <bkerensa> ie: Say that Canonical censors people :P
[22:45] <nhaines> pleia2: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/font/2011-September/000001.html
[22:46] <pleia2> nhaines: thank you!
[22:46] <nhaines> pleia2: bonus URL  :)  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-font-family/+milestone/0.80
[22:46]  * pleia2 nods
[22:46] <nhaines> pleia2: no problem!  I try not to source omgubuntu either.
[22:47] <nhaines> Bonus URL is the changelog.
[22:47] <pleia2> gotcha, thanks
[22:51] <pleia2> bkerensa: sounds like the typical kind of confusion about what the CoC is and Canonical's relationship to Ubuntu
[22:51] <pleia2> the CoC is maintained by the Community Council (only two of the 8 members are canonical employees) and you're not required to sign it to work for Canonical
[22:51] <pleia2> you are required to sign it to be an Ubuntu Member, but that's a community thing, not something Canonical put in place, the CC could change that policy if they wanted
[22:53] <bkerensa> I know but people have a misconception that Ubuntu Community is controlled by MarkS
[22:53] <bkerensa> idk how people can criticize Ubuntu or Canonical yet say they use RHEL or Fedora
[22:53] <bkerensa> :P
[22:53] <bkerensa> still corporate and not GNU
[22:54] <nhaines> RHEL is Serious Business.
[22:54] <bkerensa> indeed
[22:54] <bkerensa> :D
[22:55] <pleia2> I don't waste my time with people who want to throw around "canonical censors people" comments and don't listen to me explaining why their comment is a misconception
[22:55] <pleia2> they don't have to like canonical or ubuntu, sometimes I don't like them either :)
[22:56] <bkerensa> :D
[22:56] <bkerensa> pleia2: Where does one get android cookie cutters?
[22:57] <nhaines> From android bakers?
[22:57] <pleia2> http://www.googlestore.com/Accessories/Android+Cookie+Cutter.axd
[22:57] <pleia2> mine came from the google store in mt view though (was a gift from my fiance)
[23:05]  * nhaines didn't know there was a Google store.
[23:06] <pleia2> it's inside google, I don't know if they have an external entrance
[23:07] <pleia2> for googlers and guests of googlers AFAIK
[23:07] <nhaines> Yes, but on the Web even.
[23:08] <pleia2> ah, yeah I just found out about it recently :)
[23:09] <raevol> i wanted to duck in and say that i'm 25
[23:09] <raevol> muahahaha
[23:09] <nhaines> raevol: congratulations!
[23:09] <raevol> oh, no not today
[23:09] <nhaines> Oh, well that's good, because pleia2's already having a birthday today.
[23:09] <raevol> i mean i am 25 today, but i was yesterday and for the past few months as well
[23:10] <nhaines> Sounds like you're on a roll.  :)
[23:10] <raevol> yea, and the topic was on ages a while ago, so i was belatedly contributing ;)
[23:10] <raevol> oh wow that was like 6 hours ago
[23:10] <raevol> not a lot of scroll in this channel...
[23:10] <nhaines> Better late than never!  (I think that's also the motto of the GNU Hurd project.)
[23:11] <pleia2> there, font.ubuntu.com is updated to say Monospace NEW rather than (TBD) \o/
[23:11] <pleia2> akgraner found sladen and said "whats up with this dude" :)
[23:12] <raevol> i've been using the ubuntu font in xubuntu, after an initial adjustment period, i've grown to like it
[23:12] <nhaines> yay!
[23:12] <nhaines> pleia2: I meant to ping psladen about that but didn't think an hour after the announcement was enough slack time.  ;)
[23:12] <pleia2> hehe
[23:16] <philipballew> http://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/sys/2611450610.html
[23:17] <philipballew> is that a waste of money or a good buy?
[23:18] <pleia2> that's the min specs of what we'd take for partimus, not bad if you have a use for it
[23:18] <nhaines> Ooh.  Almost clicked the link before thinking better of it.  :)  (At work.)
[23:18] <nhaines> It amuses me that currently I have a red, green, and blue (RGB!) dry erase marker on my white board.
[23:19] <philipballew> pleia2, at, I need a basic desktop to do things like watch movies or set it up to download things that are large where a laptop wont work
[23:19] <akk> philipballew: That looks like a good deal.
[23:20] <akk> Would be nice to know what video card/chip it has, but if it sucks you can probably find something on ebay.
[23:21] <raevol> nhaines: hahaha ;)
[23:22] <akk> nhaines: Do you write on the whiteboard by speckling alternately with different pens?
[23:22] <philipballew> I think akk that dell does intel integrated at least. Its just something I need to keep my eyes peeled for
[23:23] <nhaines> akk: ClearType is a pain!
[23:28] <nhaines> philipballew: does the ad contain a model number?
[23:29] <nhaines> My Dell Optiplex SX280 here at work has an integrated Intel chip in it.  I can set it to 1MB or 8MB in the BIOS!
[23:29] <philipballew> I just called, someone snagged it nhaines
[23:29] <philipballew> and to think it had only been up there a hour or so
[23:29] <nhaines> Guess that means it was a good deal.
[23:29] <philipballew> time for ebay!
[23:30] <nhaines> What's your budget?
[23:33] <philipballew> nhaines, between 50 to 80 probably
[23:33] <philipballew> I just got a job today though
[23:34] <philipballew> im gonna be fixing computers to send to aferica
[23:34] <philipballew> but thats not related except I have more money coming in soon
[23:35] <philipballew> I need to get something with eide cables as well.
[23:35] <philipballew> I like it old school
[23:35] <philipballew> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-Dimension-3100-Desktop-P4HT-Dual-logic-Core-3-0-GHz-1-GB-RAM-160-GB-HDD-/130582203276?pt=Desktop_PCs&hash=item1e674e4b8c#ht_500wt_1284
[23:36] <philipballew> or http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-Optiplex-GX520-DCSM-P4-HT-3-Ghz-Computer-1-GB-RAM-CDRW-DVDROM-/380372738241?pt=Desktop_PCs&hash=item588ffb60c1#shId
[23:36] <jbermudes> I wonder how things like Raspberry Pi will change operations that do stuff like giving hardware to schools
[23:36] <nhaines> I recommend stick with SATA.  They're very reliable and also inexpensive.  If you have an old PATA drive or two, save up and buy a USB adapter you can use to migrate your data off of them.
[23:37] <akk> I wonder what Raspberry Pi will really cost when/if it finally ships.
[23:38] <philipballew> nhaines, yeah. I still have my wd 500 eide
[23:39] <jbermudes> akk: didn't the beta boards already ship and were within the original price range? (minus the extra dollar or two for the larger PCB size and headers)
[23:39] <akk> If so, none of the lists I'm on that are all excited about RP have heard about it.
[23:39] <akk> (which is certainly possible)
[23:40] <jbermudes> ah, they were alpha boards that were sent out
[23:49] <philipballew> thats it, im gonna bid on http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-Dimension-3100-Desktop-P4HT-Dual-logic-Core-3-0-GHz-1-GB-RAM-160-GB-HDD-/130582203276?pt=Desktop_PCs&hash=item1e674e4b8c#ht_500wt_1284
[23:50] <nhaines> 160GB HDD?
[23:50] <philipballew> its eide I imagine and i have a 500 and a 200 i can put in
[23:54] <philipballew> is that a bad price nhaines ?
[23:54] <nhaines> philipballew: what's the price?
[23:55] <philipballew> 30 plus 30 shipping
[23:55] <philipballew> so 60
[23:55] <nhaines> Not bad, considering that shipping probably *will* be $30, and it's only a hyperthreaded CPU rather than dual-core (I think).
[23:57] <philipballew> yeah, it is only a hyper thread. but it will do all i need it to do. I guess
[23:58] <philipballew> I might just wait a while and see if anything else pops up to