[01:30] thank god for the CA team mailing list [04:35] I am now 30 years old [04:35] but not 5 minutes ago? [04:35] \o/ [04:35] Happy birthday, pleia2! :) [04:36] TheTinker: was born at 12:35 eastern :) [04:36] so no, not 5 minutes ago [04:36] Happy birthday pleia2! [04:36] nhaines: thanks :) [04:36] thanks akk! [04:36] then your birthday isn't until tomorrow [04:37] yeah, since I live out here now [04:37] but age wise it's accurate! [04:37] it's bad luck to wish someone a happy birthday beforehand [04:38] pleia2 is modern and beyond timezones. [04:38] hehe [04:38] I can't set my phone to UTC :( [04:38] It resets itself to my local time ;( [04:38] I just keep 3 clocks around [04:39] (I work for a company on the east coast) [04:39] rww: haha. skype for android insists on showing me as being on UTC regardless of local time [04:39] You should give me your phone, obviously. [05:11] rww: I found a good program for UTC on android. [05:16] DarkwingDuck: what is the name? [05:17] grantbow: btw, forget if I told you but your blog is on the california planet now (jono's too) [05:17] grantbow: myUTC Clock. It displays as a widget on the screen for a host of different timezones that you want. [05:17] Free BTW [05:17] pleia2, woo! [05:18] Hey jono [05:18] hey DarkwingDuck [05:18] Hows life? [05:21] DarkwingDuck: thanks [05:21] jono: rock on old man [05:22] grantbow, :-) [05:22] grantbow, how is Africa? [05:24] ugh, translation deadline is tomorrow [05:38] Nairobi is great but as I wrote at http://berkeleylug.com I miss Bobby G's Pizzeria [06:21] pleia2: u about? [06:21] yep [06:21] pleia2: do you see any benefit or drawback to not using 64bit iso for 64bit arch/ [06:22] what else would you use? [06:22] 32bit? [06:22] :D [06:22] oh I see what you're asking [06:23] well, AFAIK there is still no acrobat reader for 64-bit, and there are some other proprietary things out there that are cranky [06:23] hmm [06:23] k [06:23] but whatever, I've run 64-bit on my desktop for over a year and a half without too much pain [06:23] pleia2: Do you know is distributed computing performs better if I'm running 64bit? [06:24] I don't know [06:24] I heard something about 64bit being able to do complex tasks in shorter time [06:24] :P [06:24] Ubuntu 11.10 is multiarch, so it should be able to install 32-bit Debian packages when 64-bit ones are not available. [06:25] nhaines: well, multiarch is *improved* anyway :) [06:25] oh cool [06:25] Cool [06:25] Well I just got a new laptop [06:25] :D [06:25] Dell with a i5 and 6GB DDR3 [06:25] :D [06:25] and it came with this thing called Windows 7? [06:25] no idea what that is :P [06:25] bkerensa: depends on the distributed computing [06:26] rww: some WCG project [06:26] its like looking for proteins [06:26] so folding I guess [06:26] :P [06:26] that's 90% of WCG projects :P [06:27] anyway. the only WCG project that has a 64-bit application is CCW [06:27] pleia2: Sadly I'm considering shrinking the Windows Partiton and keeping it so I can use Adobe for video editing :P [06:27] the rest are 32-bit, and WCG is closed-source, so no recompiling for you [06:27] indeed [06:27] :P [06:28] so no, it won't make any difference [06:28] ok then 32bit it is :P [06:28] bkerensa: so 64-bit code will take advantage of speedy things on 64-bit, but you also have a RAM tradeoff (64-bit tends to use more RAM), but if you're on 32-bit you have the bigmem trade-off in the kernel that's handling more ramstuffs than it was originally intended to [06:28] over at SETI@home, they do some glorious things with optimized applications, but doing nothing really quickly is still nothing :\ [06:29] * bkerensa shakes pitchfork at rww [06:29] :P [06:29] S@H is good [06:29] :P [06:29] I just go with 64-bit wherever I can because the future is nice [06:29] I did it for 5 years [06:29] I hope all the wasted energy contributed to something good :P [06:29] aliens are awesome [06:30] pleia2: Yeah well with this new laptop I can actually run UNITY (The Future) [06:30] :P [06:30] even though unity will run flawlessly I cant say I like it :P [06:30] bkerensa: what's your nick on BOINC projects? just bkerensa? [06:31] rww: I had another one but I stopped so idk what the original one was (I was 16 so idk) but yeah it bkerensa now [06:31] http://boincstats.com/search/all_projects.php?cpid=8a283a9fd761c0f685f92e27df2d7fdb :3 [06:31] I started a Ubuntu Oregon WCG team and tgm4883 kicked my butt [06:32] although the stats on that are broken before october. my CPID broke [06:32] rww: You contribute to DC? [06:32] bkerensa: yes. I was on SETI Classic back in the day :3 [06:32] Nice [06:33] had a pooled account with my ex for a while, left it with her when we split, 595k is in the last three or so years I guess [06:33] seti classic back in the day was great [06:34] * rww got bored and turned BOINC back on the other day, will probably be running it through winter [06:34] * pleia2 hasn't turned it on since 2009 :\ [06:34] lol [06:34] I have rogue BOINC sessions [06:34] going to see how high i can get my overclock to go, which is the main reason I do it [06:35] GPU computation broke any sort of actual competition :\ [06:35] ie: I installed boinc on one laptop I sold and it was a clean install and someone never wiped it [06:35] so [06:35] yeah someone somewhere is contributing via my boinc profile and has been for like a year [06:35] =o [06:35] lol [06:35] hah [06:35] -.- [06:35] there's an Ubuntu team, btw [06:35] yeah :D [06:36] and a Ubuntu Oregon team :P [06:36] Ubuntu has a bit more people in it :P [06:37] rww: Did you know of Team Starfire? [06:37] Crunchenstein :D [06:37] it rings a bell [06:39] Was like the largest distributed computing team in the world [06:39] :P [06:39] Broadbandreports.com/DSLR.com ran it [06:39] they had a huge crunching cluster [06:41] gnight all [06:41] night [15:49] I am happy because Ubuntu Mono has been released (with work-in-progress hinting, though)! [15:49] http://font.ubuntu.com/ [16:45] Ubuntu One for Windows has been released: https://one.ubuntu.com/downloads/windows/ [16:52] good for Ubuntu One [16:52] sheesh, busy day today :) [16:53] it has been ;-) [16:53] also birthday \o/ [16:53] but I have to work [16:53] Happy birthday! [16:53] thanks :) [16:53] I'm 30! [16:54] \o/ [16:57] Happy birthday old lady. :) [16:58] haha, thanks [16:58] Never trust anyone over 30! [17:00] It's true! [17:00] * nhaines is 31. [17:01] really? huh [17:01] nicely done [17:01] :) [17:01] :) [17:02] LOL [17:02] I'm still 28 [17:03] i'm old [17:04] I'm old too. [17:15] so am I supposed to do the celebratory (or not!) watching of Logan's Run today? :) [17:16] pleia2: I got the coolest USB thumdrive EVER! [17:16] I mean I have had some cool thumbdrives too like lego men and even a Chevron usb [17:16] :D [17:16] I got two 4GB Lifestraw USB's :D [17:17] bkerensa: neat [17:18] yeah I love USB's :D [17:21] Was 30 the age in Logan's Run? I thought it was younger than that. [17:22] nope [17:22] 30 [17:23] although, in the tv series version, there were people who ran things and were partially exempt to age 60 [17:24] Interesting, wikipedia says in the book it was 21, but the film used 30. (I never read the book, though, so I can't plead that as my excuse for being wrong. :) [17:24] Maybe they couldn't find enough under-21-looking actors. [17:25] Humans don't really grow up until they hit 26. [17:26] michael york did not look 30 until he was at least 50 [17:27] or am i misremembering who played logan? [17:27] No, you remembered right. [17:28] And yes, he was very young looking. [17:28] A lot of the other actors weren't, though. [17:28] he didn't even look old in the austin powers movies [18:08] pleia2: pretty much I hope you like cats. :P [18:09] cats++ [18:10] /nick cats [18:16] Not all cats are good. Like CATS, for example. In AD 2101, War was Beginning. [18:16] CATS: How are you gentlemen !! You have no chance to survive make your time. [18:17] okay good, i'm not the only one whose mind went to AYBABTU [18:18] mine went to an ARM platform debian used to support [18:19] and ubuntu is supporting in 11.10 [18:21] \o/ [18:22] what? [18:22] ubuntu is supporting armv4l? [18:22] TheTinker: http://blog.canonical.com/2011/08/16/armserver/ [18:23] they've been putting crazy amounts of effort into arm for the past couple of years [18:23] it's exciting that they're finally release ready (although I still may wait until 12.04 to get one for my own ;)) [18:23] i see no mention on that page of armv4l [18:24] arm4l? [18:24] last i checked, ubuntu arm required cortex or later [18:24] no, these are all new generation arms [18:25] you implied ubuntu arm 11.10 supports CATS [18:25] I was actually making a more generic arm comment [18:25] sorry for the confusion [18:26] CATS strikes again !! [18:26] meow [22:30] nhaines: how'd you find out about the new monospace font? [22:35] pleia2: I know everything. [22:35] :P [22:36] pleia2: also I've been waiting impatiently (psladen has been far nicer than I probably deserve, heh) and I think I got an email announcement this morning. [22:36] nhaines: aha, was it sent to a list? [22:36] What new monospace font is this? [22:37] akk: Ubuntu Mono [22:37] pleia2: possibly the Ubuntu Font list! [22:37] I didn't even know we had such a thing [22:37] Neither did I? [22:38] Ooh, I might adjust some of the community business cards to use it (for GPG signatures and such) now that it's officially released. [22:38] I've been using the font for about two months now, though. It's fantastic. :) [22:41] Is there a public PPA or a ttf file? [22:41] pleia2: why did you want to know? [22:41] nhaines: if it's real "woo we released monospace font" news I wanted to add the official announcement link to UWN [22:41] akk: http://font.ubuntu.com/ has a zip file. [22:41] pleia2: aha! In that case I'll find it for you. :) [22:41] Thanks, nhaines [22:42] thank you :) [22:42] <the-wes> -they might revoke your ubuntuhood [22:42] ;p [22:42] omgubuntu posted about it, but they tend to post things prematurely often to get the scoop [22:42] pleia2: pretty much. [22:42] told u the lugs up here are not to Ubuntu friendly :P [22:43] akk: the package I have is 0.80~rc-0ubuntu3+arabic+console [22:43] akk: so I assume that 0.8 will hit oneiric any minute. Donno if it'll hit lucid, maverick, or natty. [22:44] bkerensa: I don't know what that means. :P [22:44] does lucid even have the ubuntu font? (it didn't, but could have been backported) [22:45] nhaines: Oh... the #ORLUG people hate Canonical/Ubuntu mostly :P so they flame me for focusing my chatter around Ubuntu ;) [22:45] ah, in lucid-updates http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=ttf-ubuntu-font-family [22:45] nhaines: and when it gets hot in there I tell them I have no comment due to CoC and they poke fun at that :) [22:45] ie: Say that Canonical censors people :P [22:45] pleia2: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/font/2011-September/000001.html [22:46] nhaines: thank you! [22:46] pleia2: bonus URL :) https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-font-family/+milestone/0.80 [22:46] * pleia2 nods [22:46] pleia2: no problem! I try not to source omgubuntu either. [22:47] Bonus URL is the changelog. [22:47] gotcha, thanks [22:51] bkerensa: sounds like the typical kind of confusion about what the CoC is and Canonical's relationship to Ubuntu [22:51] the CoC is maintained by the Community Council (only two of the 8 members are canonical employees) and you're not required to sign it to work for Canonical [22:51] you are required to sign it to be an Ubuntu Member, but that's a community thing, not something Canonical put in place, the CC could change that policy if they wanted [22:53] I know but people have a misconception that Ubuntu Community is controlled by MarkS [22:53] idk how people can criticize Ubuntu or Canonical yet say they use RHEL or Fedora [22:53] :P [22:53] still corporate and not GNU [22:54] RHEL is Serious Business. [22:54] indeed [22:54] :D [22:55] I don't waste my time with people who want to throw around "canonical censors people" comments and don't listen to me explaining why their comment is a misconception [22:55] they don't have to like canonical or ubuntu, sometimes I don't like them either :) [22:56] :D [22:56] pleia2: Where does one get android cookie cutters? [22:57] From android bakers? [22:57] http://www.googlestore.com/Accessories/Android+Cookie+Cutter.axd [22:57] mine came from the google store in mt view though (was a gift from my fiance) [23:05] * nhaines didn't know there was a Google store. [23:06] it's inside google, I don't know if they have an external entrance [23:07] for googlers and guests of googlers AFAIK [23:07] Yes, but on the Web even. [23:08] ah, yeah I just found out about it recently :) [23:09] i wanted to duck in and say that i'm 25 [23:09] muahahaha [23:09] raevol: congratulations! [23:09] oh, no not today [23:09] Oh, well that's good, because pleia2's already having a birthday today. [23:09] i mean i am 25 today, but i was yesterday and for the past few months as well [23:10] Sounds like you're on a roll. :) [23:10] yea, and the topic was on ages a while ago, so i was belatedly contributing ;) [23:10] oh wow that was like 6 hours ago [23:10] not a lot of scroll in this channel... [23:10] Better late than never! (I think that's also the motto of the GNU Hurd project.) [23:11] there, font.ubuntu.com is updated to say Monospace NEW rather than (TBD) \o/ [23:11] akgraner found sladen and said "whats up with this dude" :) [23:12] i've been using the ubuntu font in xubuntu, after an initial adjustment period, i've grown to like it [23:12] yay! [23:12] pleia2: I meant to ping psladen about that but didn't think an hour after the announcement was enough slack time. ;) [23:12] hehe [23:16] http://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/sys/2611450610.html [23:17] is that a waste of money or a good buy? [23:18] that's the min specs of what we'd take for partimus, not bad if you have a use for it [23:18] Ooh. Almost clicked the link before thinking better of it. :) (At work.) [23:18] It amuses me that currently I have a red, green, and blue (RGB!) dry erase marker on my white board. [23:19] pleia2, at, I need a basic desktop to do things like watch movies or set it up to download things that are large where a laptop wont work [23:19] philipballew: That looks like a good deal. [23:20] Would be nice to know what video card/chip it has, but if it sucks you can probably find something on ebay. [23:21] nhaines: hahaha ;) [23:22] nhaines: Do you write on the whiteboard by speckling alternately with different pens? [23:22] I think akk that dell does intel integrated at least. Its just something I need to keep my eyes peeled for [23:23] akk: ClearType is a pain! [23:28] philipballew: does the ad contain a model number? [23:29] My Dell Optiplex SX280 here at work has an integrated Intel chip in it. I can set it to 1MB or 8MB in the BIOS! [23:29] I just called, someone snagged it nhaines [23:29] and to think it had only been up there a hour or so [23:29] Guess that means it was a good deal. [23:29] time for ebay! [23:30] What's your budget? [23:33] nhaines, between 50 to 80 probably [23:33] I just got a job today though [23:34] im gonna be fixing computers to send to aferica [23:34] but thats not related except I have more money coming in soon [23:35] I need to get something with eide cables as well. [23:35] I like it old school [23:35] http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-Dimension-3100-Desktop-P4HT-Dual-logic-Core-3-0-GHz-1-GB-RAM-160-GB-HDD-/130582203276?pt=Desktop_PCs&hash=item1e674e4b8c#ht_500wt_1284 [23:36] or http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-Optiplex-GX520-DCSM-P4-HT-3-Ghz-Computer-1-GB-RAM-CDRW-DVDROM-/380372738241?pt=Desktop_PCs&hash=item588ffb60c1#shId [23:36] I wonder how things like Raspberry Pi will change operations that do stuff like giving hardware to schools [23:36] I recommend stick with SATA. They're very reliable and also inexpensive. If you have an old PATA drive or two, save up and buy a USB adapter you can use to migrate your data off of them. [23:37] I wonder what Raspberry Pi will really cost when/if it finally ships. [23:38] nhaines, yeah. I still have my wd 500 eide [23:39] akk: didn't the beta boards already ship and were within the original price range? (minus the extra dollar or two for the larger PCB size and headers) [23:39] If so, none of the lists I'm on that are all excited about RP have heard about it. [23:39] (which is certainly possible) [23:40] ah, they were alpha boards that were sent out [23:49] thats it, im gonna bid on http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-Dimension-3100-Desktop-P4HT-Dual-logic-Core-3-0-GHz-1-GB-RAM-160-GB-HDD-/130582203276?pt=Desktop_PCs&hash=item1e674e4b8c#ht_500wt_1284 [23:50] 160GB HDD? [23:50] its eide I imagine and i have a 500 and a 200 i can put in [23:54] is that a bad price nhaines ? [23:54] philipballew: what's the price? [23:55] 30 plus 30 shipping [23:55] so 60 [23:55] Not bad, considering that shipping probably *will* be $30, and it's only a hyperthreaded CPU rather than dual-core (I think). [23:57] yeah, it is only a hyper thread. but it will do all i need it to do. I guess [23:58] I might just wait a while and see if anything else pops up to