[01:00] <GeekyAdam> hio, anyone up?
[01:03] <WiCkD1> I am but I have to go...need to go home..work time is over! :)
[01:05] <GeekyAdam> :/
[01:06] <WiCkD1> ill be back tomorrow though.
[02:20] <MutantTurkey> thank goodness for pidgen on windows
[02:21] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: doing the arch install right about now. Hopefully unetbootin still works
[03:34] <MobileTurkey> jedijf: arch doesn't seem to have a way to resize disks...
[03:34] <MobileTurkey> apparently nobody thought of that.
[03:34] <MobileTurkey> cfdisk and fdisk cannot do it
[03:34] <MobileTurkey> afaik
[03:38]  * GeekyAdam lumbers off to bed.
[03:49] <MobileTurkey> loosing faith in arch :[
[05:03] <InHisName> Happy wee mawnin' to you all !
[05:22] <pvl1> happy mornin to u too
[05:50] <jackson> morning too
[06:30] <andrew> morning
[06:30] <andrew> and g'night
[06:31] <andrew> 7am will be here too soon
[09:46] <JonathanD> Morning.
[09:47] <rmg51> morning JonathanD
[09:50] <JonathanD> hi
[09:50] <JonathanD> this doesn't look good.
[09:51] <rmg51> what doesn't look good?
[09:51] <JonathanD> Work is "down" in some way.
[09:53] <rmg51> I'm "down" today :-D
[09:53] <rmg51> I'm taking the day off
[09:54] <JonathanD> heh
[09:54] <JonathanD> SOunds good :P
[09:54] <JonathanD> Router is offline, at least.
[09:54] <JonathanD> Gonna go in now.
[09:55] <rmg51> bye
[10:29] <JonathanD> all fixed.
[10:29] <JonathanD> Power failure last night, and one switch decided it could use the extra rest.
[11:03] <rmg511> that sounds like me :-D
[12:04] <JonathanD> heh :)
[12:04] <JonathanD> So I have this broken ideapad.
[12:04] <JonathanD> someone dropped it.
[12:05] <JonathanD> I haven't really worked with an ideapad before (hardware fixage side)
[12:05] <JonathanD> It's not too shabby.
[12:05] <JonathanD> They destroyed one of the screen hinges, though.
[12:06] <JonathanD> I'm filling the gap with solder and trying to seal up the plastic, to see if it'll move well that way.
[12:11] <JonathanD> Although it has the lame shiny screen.
[14:50] <MutantTurkey> my dog thinks that he is a wolf or something
[14:50] <MutantTurkey> always howling in the mornings
[14:53] <rmg511> one morning you will find him gnawing on one of your legs :-D
[14:54] <MutantTurkey> he's a bit of a wimp, I think he may ujust be lonely
[14:55] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: I am still seeking your help with this lappy, oh wise one
[14:55] <jedijf> MutantTurkey: what up?
[14:55] <jedijf> does wise imply old
[14:55] <MutantTurkey> wise means experienced
[14:56] <MutantTurkey> basically old.
[14:58] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: what should  I do for partitioning? still at a crossroads here.
[14:58] <MutantTurkey> w7 has 3 partitions, one that is small, then a 300gig, and lenovos 10gb recovery
[15:00] <MutantTurkey> But I want W7, {debian,ubuntu}, Arch
[15:02] <jedijf> leave the 2 win alone ---resize 300 to 15/285(for arch and swap) install arch, then install ubu last-resize the arch to accomodate ubu, put ubu on empty space
[15:02] <jedijf> 15 for win7
[15:04] <MutantTurkey> Ill need like 30 for win, got to install all  of my age of empires games...
[15:04] <MutantTurkey> and kings quest! I CANT WAIT TO PLAY KINGS QUEST!!
[15:04] <MutantTurkey> I am giddy as a schoolboy.
[15:05] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: remove the lenovo one?
[15:05] <jedijf> ok..but you get the gist
[15:05] <jedijf> no
[15:05] <jedijf> keep those 3
[15:05] <MutantTurkey> so I'll need to do extended partition
[15:05] <MutantTurkey> ok and then just resize the arch one at a later time
[15:05] <MutantTurkey> easy enough
[15:05] <jedijf> yes\
[15:05] <MutantTurkey> rocking
[15:06] <MutantTurkey> but wait... should I share my home directory between arch and ubuntu?
[15:06] <MutantTurkey> typically I do a /boot /root /home setup
[15:06] <jedijf> they should also have that backup procedure if not image the disk\
[15:06] <jedijf> before you start
[15:06] <MutantTurkey> they? should have that? backup procedure
[15:06] <jedijf> actually, i shrink, then image but you can do what you like
[15:07] <jedijf> uusally since they no longer ship cd's/dvd's they tell you to make a restore disk
[15:07] <jedijf> do that
[15:07] <jedijf> or shrink and image\
[15:07] <jedijf> then start
[15:09] <jedijf> MutantTurkey: you may want to do the ubu with a separate home too, just to make upgrading easier
[15:10] <MutantTurkey> well fck ubuntu I tihnk I am going with debian
[15:10] <MutantTurkey> but then I think, oh well maybe I should check out the big ubuntu circlejerk and see what it's all about
[15:11] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: annoyingly arch doesn't have a good way to resize disks, short of using ntfs-tools
[15:11] <MutantTurkey> sometimes  I wish  I had gparted
[15:11] <jedijf> use an ubuntu livecd
[15:11] <jedijf> hater
[15:13] <MutantTurkey> so do the ubuntu install first?
[15:13] <MutantTurkey> I actually keep trying to make an install disk unsing the ubuntu instructions and it keeps not booting up
[15:14] <MutantTurkey> apparently my usb isn't big enough, I only have a 1GB
[15:17] <MutantTurkey> here is my chance to install Haiku!
[15:19] <rmg511> 1GB should be big enough
[15:19] <jedijf> MutantTurkey: livecd to resize for arch ..install ubu last
[15:19] <rmg511> you need at least 700MB to make an bootable usb
[15:20] <MutantTurkey> weird using the tool they link to
[15:20] <MutantTurkey> ?
[15:20] <MutantTurkey> or how would you do it
[15:20] <rmg511> system/admin/start up creator
[15:21] <rmg511> from live cd
[15:22] <MutantTurkey> I am on windows
[15:25] <jedijf> use this http://www.imgburn.com/
[15:25] <jedijf> nm
[15:26] <jedijf> that's for cd's you want to do stick use http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
[15:30] <MutantTurkey> unetbooting wasn't working
[15:30] <MutantTurkey> I'll give it another spin
[15:31] <MutantTurkey> half the time unetbootin doesnt work, it's pretty sketchy
[15:37] <rmg511> there is always booting live :-/
[15:39] <jedijf> MutantTurkey: really though, the usb to ide/sata cable and a sata dvd drive should be next purchase if laptop doesn't have one inside
[15:39] <MutantTurkey> has esata
[15:40] <jedijf> does it have any optical drive?
[15:41] <MutantTurkey> nope
[15:41] <MutantTurkey> have a pcmcia slot
[16:06] <MobileTurkey> here we go
[16:06] <MobileTurkey> jedijf: got the live usb working
[16:06] <MobileTurkey> ubuntu is quite odd
[16:06] <MobileTurkey> feels very polished though
[16:41] <Joe_CoT> pleia2, happy birthday! DarkMyst told me to message you :D
[16:41] <pleia2> lol
[16:41] <pleia2> thank you :)
[17:05] <waltman> pleia2: It's your birthday? Happy Birthday!
[17:08] <pleia2> waltman: yes, 30th!
[17:09] <waltman> No way!
[17:09] <waltman> It's all downhill from here on out :)
[17:09] <pleia2> lol
[17:09] <pleia2> I thought that didn't happen until 40 :)
[17:10] <pleia2> so far the only crappy thing about 30 is I didn't qualify for the "young professionals" rate at my new fitness club place
[17:10] <waltman> pleia2: Cookie the penguin also wants to wish you a happy birthday! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wTWWjYTe1I
[17:10] <pleia2> but the membership director took pity on me and gave me a bunch of guest passes to make up for my unfortunately timed birthday :)
[17:11] <beta0x64_> Hello all
[17:11] <waltman> pleia2: make sure you watch Cookie all the way until the end
[17:11] <pleia2> I love cookie :)
[17:11] <pleia2> hi beta0x64_
[17:11] <beta0x64_> hello pleia2
[17:12] <waltman> pleia2: You'll be getting senior discounts before you know it! :)
[17:12] <pleia2> lol
[17:13] <waltman> Cookie might be the cutest little penguin EVAH
[17:13] <beta0x64_> How is Ubuntu in the Pittsburgh area? Is there support here?
[17:13] <pleia2> ssweeny is out there, in the past the Ubuntu events have mostly been teamed up with wplug.org
[17:16] <beta0x64_> good to know pleia2.
[17:16] <beta0x64_> So far, I've been a loner!
[17:17]  * ssweeny waves at beta0x64 
[17:17] <ssweeny> beta0x64, whareabouts in the burgh are you?
[17:18] <beta0x64_> ssweeny: I am about 50 minutes south of Pittsburgh.
[17:18] <beta0x64_> That is, 50 minutes south assuming 0 traffic lol
[17:18] <ssweeny> beta0x64, like washington area?
[17:19] <beta0x64_> no like westmoreland
[17:19] <beta0x64_> wait, washington how?
[17:20] <beta0x64_> oh. I've never been to Washington, PA. No, down route 51. not 79
[17:20] <ssweeny> beta0x64, washington, pa is almost an hour south of pittsburgh
[17:21] <beta0x64_> I'm like between Washington and Greensburg
[17:21] <ssweeny> anyway, i think i'm the sole ubuntu rep in the greater pittsburgh area
[17:21] <beta0x64_> Well isn't that fancy?
[17:21] <ssweeny> but i work for canonical, so that has to be bonus points
[17:22] <beta0x64_> +1
[17:22] <beta0x64_> congratulations. that's really great.
[17:22] <TheEvilPhoenix> -2
[17:22] <TheEvilPhoenix> :P
[17:22] <ssweeny> at least until now i've been the only pittsburgh ubuntu user who knows how to use IRC :)
[17:24] <beta0x64_> Or have been bothered to use it!
[17:24] <beta0x64_> So, how do we plan world domination?
[17:24] <beta0x64_> We should start with Downtown...
[17:26] <jedijf> i like beta0x64_ spirit...army of 2
[17:27] <beta0x64_> well, we need to amass an idiot army obviously
[17:27] <jedijf> and apparently knows ssweeny
[17:27] <beta0x64_> or at least a very cheaply implemented robotic army
[17:27] <jedijf> :P
[17:28] <ssweeny> for that we can use cmu
[17:28] <ssweeny> i know some folks...
[17:28] <waltman> Huh. Here I figured that 50 minutes south of Pittsburgh was West Virginia :)
[17:29] <ssweeny> waltman, that's more like 1:10
[17:29] <ssweeny> actually about 50 minutes west of pittsburgh will also put you in WV
[17:29] <TheEvilPhoenix> :P
[17:29]  * TheEvilPhoenix is originally from pittsburgh
[17:30] <TheEvilPhoenix> :P
[17:30] <beta0x64_> I suppose it depends on how fast you drive and on which roads.
[17:30] <beta0x64_> I live along routes 51 and interstate 70
[17:30]  * waltman discovers that Pittsburgh's quite a bit further north than he thought.
[17:33] <beta0x64_> ssweeny: so, what do you do for canonical?
[17:33] <ssweeny> beta0x64, i'm on the oem services team. i customize ubuntu for hardware manufacturers to distribute on their products
[17:35] <beta0x64_> ssweeny: that's great. is that an on-site type of job? do you have to travel?
[17:36] <ssweeny> beta0x64, i mostly work from home. i travel to UDS twice a year and occasionally to our US home base in boston
[17:36] <beta0x64_> I'm impressed. which companies do you work with? local computer stores or something like asus?
[17:37] <ssweeny> the most well-known is probably dell
[17:37] <ssweeny> we have a bunch of customers in asia
[17:37] <beta0x64_> oh I see
[17:37] <beta0x64_> So you work internationally from home?
[17:37] <ssweeny> yep
[17:38] <beta0x64_> That's sweet =)
[17:40] <beta0x64_> working with canonical must be nice.
[17:42] <beta0x64_> is LPIC worth it?
[17:45] <beta0x64_> well I have to go ladies and gentlemen. believe me, I'll be back
[17:45] <TheEvilPhoenix> no you wont :P
[18:26] <WiCkD1> hello.
[18:29] <jedijf> hello WiCkD1
[18:35] <JonathanD> Battery is shot on this thing.
[18:40] <jedijf> dropping does not break battery
[18:40] <jedijf> in general
[18:49] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: doode
[18:49] <MutantTurkey> what the hall
[18:49] <MutantTurkey> ubuntu doesn't let me update because I am not in the sudoers file, and it doesn't let me set the root password at all
[18:50] <MutantTurkey> so how am I supposed to update ?
[18:50] <MutantTurkey> because no root pw so I can't use su.
[18:50] <MutantTurkey> I mean I am going to drop into a fallback shell, but I don't understand how regular users do it
[18:50] <MutantTurkey> :|
[19:09] <jedijf> MutantTurkey: user has password, that's sudo password
[19:09] <jedijf> sudo su
[19:12] <JonathanD> jedijf: I assume it was already broken.
[19:12] <jedijf> MutantTurkey: your doing it rong
[19:12] <jedijf> way rong
[19:12] <JonathanD> I'm trying to find a pinout to charge it outside the laptop, and see if it's the battery or the laptop...
[19:13] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: hsudo was broken
[19:13] <MutantTurkey> dude maybe I should just install debian...
[19:13] <jedijf> MutantTurkey: you installed ubu?
[19:14] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: yes.
[19:14] <jedijf> 11.04?
[19:14] <MutantTurkey> lemme pm
[19:14] <MutantTurkey> ya
[19:33] <jedijf> ga no!
[19:50] <beta0x64> MutantTurkey, you could boot into single user mode and add yourself to the sudoers file.
[19:51] <MutantTurkey> kasted: I did
[19:51] <MutantTurkey> beta0x64: i did
[19:51] <MutantTurkey> that was the first thing I did
[19:51] <beta0x64> Still not working?
[19:51] <MutantTurkey> but I was thinking about all the idiotic non linux users trying it out for the first time
[19:51] <MutantTurkey> beta0x64: they are probably hopelessly lost
[19:51] <beta0x64> they should be able to go update normally. I'm not sure why you couldn't use sudo
[19:52] <rmg511> hie nick says it all ;-)
[19:53] <jedijf> MutantTurkey: did you use the single from grub, that's pretty 'polished' now to
[19:53] <jedijf> too
[19:54] <MutantTurkey> yeah
[19:54] <MutantTurkey> nice dialog
[19:55] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: how do I boot to kdm?
[19:55] <jedijf> you installed it, right?
[19:55] <MutantTurkey> wrong chat :eek:
[19:55] <MutantTurkey> yes
[19:55] <beta0x64> when you go to login
[19:55] <beta0x64> right?
[19:55] <jedijf> then after you put in user name...on the bottom you'll see session switcher
[19:55] <MutantTurkey> is that still in /etc/init.d/?
[19:55] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: not kde, kdm
[19:56] <jedijf> that didn't happen automagically when you installed kde?
[19:56] <MutantTurkey> no idea... haven't rebooted yet
[19:57] <MutantTurkey> I figured you would have to switch the daemons
[19:58] <jedijf> it should happen automagically or sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm   and select kdm
[19:58] <MutantTurkey> okay
[19:58] <MutantTurkey> thanks :)
[19:58] <jedijf> logout....find the session thingy and see how easy it is to switch...prolly have ldm choice by now too
[20:07] <jedijf> guess this is the 'find that session thingy' part
[21:30] <sadin> hi everyone how you doing
[21:50] <kasted>  /whois sadin
[21:50] <JonathanD> I have no idea, whois he?
[21:50] <sadin> JonathanD you know me lol
[21:50] <JonathanD> So I do :P
[21:51] <sadin> oh JonathanD guess what
[21:51] <kasted> lol
[21:51] <JonathanD> ?
[21:52] <sadin> i decided to join the ubuntu artwork team and help they havent responded to me when i asked for any tips or anything but im going to look at one of the requested tasks thats open and take it up and design something
[21:52] <sadin> for ubuntu
[21:53] <JonathanD> oh, interesting :)
[21:53] <JonathanD> I wish I could art :)
[21:53] <sadin> lol
[21:53] <JonathanD>  o
[21:53] <JonathanD> /|\
[21:53] <JonathanD>  |
[21:53] <JonathanD> / \
[21:53] <JonathanD> My brilliant ubuntu art
[21:53] <TheEvilPhoenix> ART!
[21:54] <JonathanD> Thats a penguin.
[21:54] <sadin> yay!
[21:54] <sadin> ill see you guys mater
[21:54] <sadin> later*
[21:54]  * sadin has to leave for marching band
[21:54]  * sadin cringes
[22:22] <pvl1> hello
[22:51] <WiCkD1> hello.
[23:49] <GeekyAdam> hi