[00:04] <cyberanger> just a bit far in your case
[00:06] <binarymutant> lol very far now
[00:06] <binarymutant> and Knoxville library is a no go for me, never returned a few books
[00:14] <cyberanger> yeah, they won't be happy with that, can you pay a replacement fee? and there is a blount county library too
[00:14] <binarymutant> cyberanger: I have the internet :P
[01:04] <binarymutant> ? I get booted a lot
[01:05] <Unit193> That's normally the quit message for when you exit the client...
[01:06] <binarymutant> i get booted a lot?
[01:06] <binarymutant> or quiet channel
[01:07] <Unit193> (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[01:10] <binarymutant> ah
[01:10] <binarymutant> is that what my exit msg says?
[01:10] <Unit193> Yep
[01:10] <binarymutant> that's weird... need to investigate
[01:10] <Unit193> That happens when you just hit X on the GUI clients
[01:11] <binarymutant> yeah but i'm still in the channel when it it just periodically reconnects
[01:11] <binarymutant> maybe it's the wifi :/
[01:11] <Unit193> Shouldn't it make you pingout then?
[01:12] <binarymutant> idk
[01:12] <binarymutant> but it is annoying
[01:12] <Unit193> It would be
[01:14] <binarymutant> I think it's just on freenode too
[01:26] <Unit193> Is anybody a fan of FSF?
[01:34] <binarymutant> I am
[01:34] <binarymutant> sorta
[01:34] <binarymutant> they do have flaws, but I still like them :D
[01:35] <binarymutant> Unit193: Why/
[01:36] <Unit193> Can't say it now D:
[01:36] <binarymutant> aw why not?
[01:37] <binarymutant> is it about their doc license?
[01:37] <Unit193> Fine.... I think they are nutters
[01:37] <Unit193> (Put nicely)
[01:37] <binarymutant> what did they do this time?
[01:38] <binarymutant> they come across a little crazy because they try to uphold this idea that they can never be wrong
[01:38] <Unit193> It's the small things that bother more. One of them came into a Lubuntu channel and asked for an OP or rep to know if it would EVER include mono
[01:39] <Unit193> And would not let it drop (You can't say if 2 or 3 releases will include it or not)
[01:39] <binarymutant> are you a .NET coder?
[01:40] <Unit193> Nope, I just will use it if I need it (No, I'm not all that fond it it myself either)
[01:40] <binarymutant> I'm not a fan of mono, it should exist, but it's not for me
[01:41] <Unit193> I'm going to have to install it because of PandoraCaster
[01:42] <binarymutant> what happened to libpiano?
[01:43] <binarymutant> it's kind of neat that windows programmers are using linux now bc of mono
[01:45] <Unit193> I know one program that's made for Windows, but has a howto for linux users
[01:45] <binarymutant> using mono?
[01:46] <binarymutant> <<< does go out of his way not to have mono installed
[01:47] <binarymutant> wish I could get rid of python and perl too
[01:47] <cyberanger> Unit193: a connection reset can trip up a client outside of the timeouts
[01:47] <cyberanger> due to router
[01:47] <cyberanger> closed route
[01:47] <Unit193> Yep, timeout is the only way it happens for me
[01:48] <Unit193> binarymutant: I do not have it installed, I avoid it. I'll just have to install it for something I like
[01:48] <cyberanger> binarymutant: if it still happens on a wire though, that area had wiring issues due to ice spring and winter
[01:48] <Unit193> Python is heavy crap
[01:48] <cyberanger> damaged lines and such
[01:48] <binarymutant> cyberanger: hopefully it continues to run as well as it has :D
[01:49] <cyberanger> so that's a possibility (I was stuck there where family was in feb, between line damage & the modem, mess)
[01:49] <cyberanger> binarymutant: sorry, context here is bad for irc
[01:50] <cyberanger> not email and web browsing (if it's just this, I'd really suspect wifi, but I'm throwing in this bit with charter from expirences this past  year, they know they're your only choice)
[01:50] <binarymutant> true
[01:51] <binarymutant> course in Knoxville there's only 2 choices
[01:51] <cyberanger> if your on newer lines, and newish modem, with a good cat5e no issue
[01:51] <cyberanger> 2 choices and more people, lower maitance costs
[01:51] <cyberanger> for the same service prices
[01:52] <cyberanger> their incentive to fix it was higher
[01:52] <binarymutant> that's true
[01:52] <cyberanger> 5 ft of cable vs 5mi of cable
[01:53] <binarymutant> 2 choices is still a biopoly though, AT&T went out a lot when I was using them
[01:53] <cyberanger> in feb we couldn't get them to confirm our cable modem was the issue, due to the ice storm (it was a bit of both, storm outage and the cable modem was having issues holding a sync on the line)
[01:54] <cyberanger> that whole week I wired the network into a data card, just to keep things going
[01:54] <cyberanger> down here, cleveland, tn city limits, same month, outage fixed in an hour, checked the gear remotely same day
[01:54] <binarymutant> that's crazy. You should have went ballistic on them (course that's how I lost at&t)
[01:54] <cyberanger> without having to bug them
[01:55] <cyberanger> weather was a factor, I understood that, but I have metioned the headaches this year was getting old
[01:55] <cyberanger> (in a more polite manner)
[01:55] <cyberanger> I've had AT&T DSL too, now I deversify a little, hotspots, celluar, satellite
[01:56] <cyberanger> things that are too cheap to matter, or too easy (or critical) to fix quickly
[01:56] <binarymutant> too much $ for me
[01:57] <cyberanger> which is too much, dial up is 5 bucks, celluar is 40 bucks, satellite is as needed (so nothing 11 months out of 12)
[01:58] <binarymutant> wifimax sat?
[01:58] <binarymutant> cellular is upwards of 100
[01:58] <binarymutant> Verizon
[01:58] <cyberanger> not wimax, virgin mobile, 40 a month
[01:59] <binarymutant> that's pretty cheap, unlimited text, phone? cap at 2Gb?
[01:59] <binarymutant> brb
[02:00] <cyberanger> no cap, it's a data card, so nothing else (t-mobile was 75, 500 minutes + night & weekend (and mobile to mobile, which was moot) unlimited text and data (but Google Voice meant no texts)
[02:01] <cyberanger> but I dropped t-mobile for this Virgin Mobile card & a VZW phone, spend 15 a month on that, 2 a day voice unlimited
[02:06] <binarymutant> that's cool
[02:07] <binarymutant> I have this grps card for my laptop, never used it though
[02:07] <binarymutant> drop a simm card into it and go
[02:07] <binarymutant> idk if it works with data though, like I said-never used it
[02:08] <binarymutant> what's the command to find all the packages that depend on something? like `which python`
[02:09] <Unit193> apt-cache depends or rdepends
[02:10] <binarymutant> apt-cache wasn't any help :/
[02:11] <Unit193> apt-cache rdepends python
[02:12] <Unit193> "What depends on python?"
[02:12] <binarymutant> nice thanks
[02:13] <binarymutant> err
[02:14] <binarymutant> Unit193: how about installed reverse depends ?
[02:14] <binarymutant> nm I got it
[02:15] <Unit193> Nice, what'd you do?
[02:15] <binarymutant> apt-cache rdepends --installed
[02:15] <binarymutant> apt-cache rdepends --installed python
[02:15] <Unit193> Oh, I suppose you actually would want to only view installed :P
[02:16] <binarymutant> postfix, lsb-release, apparmor, wicd, and upstart ! the only apps tying me down
[02:16] <Unit193> You kinda need those :P
[02:16] <binarymutant> I know :(
[02:17] <Unit193> perl?
[02:17] <binarymutant> deb stuff and irssi
[02:17] <binarymutant> and apparmor again
[02:18] <binarymutant> I wonder if I could easily replace my init program... (and not shoot myself in the foot)
[02:20] <binarymutant> meh I'll just let python and perl live on
[02:20] <Unit193> I have quite a few rdepends on python...
[02:20] <binarymutant> Unit193: I skipped the python libs
[02:21] <binarymutant> I'm sure the ubuntu-standard requires it a lot
[02:23] <Unit193> apt-cache rdepends --installed python |grep -v python Still a ton with that :P
[02:25] <cyberanger> binarymutant: dpkg depends should also work
[02:25] <binarymutant> ~5 for me :D
[02:26] <cyberanger> if I recall
[02:26] <cyberanger> binarymutant: gprs card & AT&T or T-Mobile should
[02:26] <cyberanger> AT&T network
[02:27] <cyberanger> binarymutant: you also use wicd?
[02:27] <binarymutant> ya, I switched to wicd when I had problems installing networkmanager
[02:27] <cyberanger> curses or gtk?
[02:27] <binarymutant> since last night I think
[02:27] <binarymutant> both
[02:28] <cyberanger> I use curses
[02:28] <cyberanger> why do you want postfix?
[02:28] <binarymutant> mutt
[02:28] <binarymutant> smtp
[02:28] <cyberanger> right, even if postfix has no config, mutt needs it
[02:29] <cyberanger> what's with the install issues, why not apt-get install and done?
[02:30] <cyberanger> size limits or what?
[02:30] <binarymutant> originally I did install it but it wasn't working, maybe my user wasn't in the network group or something idk
[02:30] <binarymutant> but wicd worked out-of-box
[02:31] <binarymutant> mutt doesn't depend on postfix, it's a recommend
[02:31] <cyberanger> cli install or anything fancy, netinst
[02:32] <binarymutant> minimal iso
[02:32] <binarymutant> it's pretty much a netinst
[02:32] <cyberanger> and yeah, I was just thinking was postfix really a depend or a habit here
[02:32] <cyberanger> did you select cli or just run it?
[02:32] <cyberanger> and what version?
[02:33] <binarymutant> ?
[02:33] <binarymutant> I just ran it
[02:33] <cyberanger> cli like ubuntu server, but slimmer, before you run  the install, hit f4 for mode, select cli install & run
[02:34] <cyberanger> that's what I do
[02:34] <binarymutant> it installed the base linux system, asked me if I wanted to install a virtual-package (ie lamp server, netbook, etc)
[02:34] <cyberanger> oh, they reworked it
[02:34] <cyberanger> version I mean, natty, lucid, maverick
[02:35] <binarymutant> natty but I upgraded to oneiric
[02:35]  * cyberanger is about to do a few installs & reinstalls, part of why I ask (other part is my usual, "this is an intresting curousity" deal)
[02:35] <cyberanger> natty worked, the upgrade is the current issue?
[02:35] <binarymutant> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD is the one
[02:36] <binarymutant> cyberanger: everything worked, but it wasn't a hands free install
[02:36] <cyberanger> already downloaded the discs, just trying to understand if packages broke, bad repo or what
[02:36] <binarymutant> like network manager worked but you have to setup the user to the group
[02:36] <cyberanger> and yeah, that's fine, mine are never handsfree
[02:37] <binarymutant> wicd does this when installed, it's pretty nifty
[02:37]  * cyberanger does custom now, openbox or lxde
[02:37] <binarymutant> oh and my user wasn't in the audio group either
[02:37] <binarymutant> other than that everything else was awesome
[02:37] <cyberanger> add my user to audio dip (for dial up) and I forget the third group
[02:38] <binarymutant> the iso is only 19Mb :D
[02:38] <cyberanger> add tor's repo, map tor's repo to use tor (too many hotspots call tor an anonmizer, so fetch tor's own upgrade via tor)
[02:39] <binarymutant> tor is in the ubuntu repo now
[02:39] <cyberanger> run some custom iptables scripts, and so on
[02:39] <binarymutant> cyberanger: the mini installs a base system at around 700Mb
[02:39] <binarymutant> last time I checked Arch was ~500Mb
[02:39] <binarymutant> 2-3 years ago
[02:40] <cyberanger> last I heard, tor was behind, but I use the expermental branch anyhow
[02:40] <binarymutant> ah
[02:40] <cyberanger> binarymutant: natty base was about that, debian was 300mb
[02:40] <binarymutant> ! should have went with debian
[02:41] <cyberanger> debian testing
[02:41] <binarymutant> idk why I keep installing ubuntu (bad thing to say on an ubuntu channel)
[02:41] <binarymutant> ah because I like nonfree stuff, that's right
[02:42] <Unit193> I think we already had comments about this ;P
[02:42] <cyberanger> thing is, by the time I do everything, adding packages and such (no music, just software & config) it's 1.7 -2.2 GB (depending on exact setup)
[02:42] <cyberanger> binarymutant: your in my region, and I outright say it >:-)
[02:42] <wrst> binarymutant: arch base system is still around 500MB
[02:42] <binarymutant> that's pretty impressive
[02:43] <cyberanger> yes, wrst & I debate debian testing & arch, and agree unity is a joke (however we disagree on how big a joke)
[02:43] <cyberanger> this channel & ubuntu, rare
[02:43] <wrst> ha ha
[02:43] <binarymutant> lol
[02:43] <wrst> well cyberanger like i said if it has to work I'm going debian
[02:43] <cyberanger> binarymutant: use 'main contrib non-free' instead of just main
[02:44] <binarymutant> cyberanger: Ubuntu already has it included
[02:44] <cyberanger> wrst: but debian doesn't have unity
[02:44]  * cyberanger gags
[02:44] <wrst> cyberanger:  all the more reason :)
[02:44] <cyberanger> binarymutant: but disabled, universe multiverse (and canonical's two really non-free repos)
[02:45] <binarymutant> cyberanger: It wasn't disabled for me..
[02:45] <cyberanger> binarymutant: some difference between live cd (and their installer) and more advanced ones
[02:45] <binarymutant> I got nvidia-current, flash, all my bad video codecs without doing anything :D
[02:45] <cyberanger> not even sudo apt-get install *non-free*
[02:46] <binarymutant> well I mean, besides just installing them. Didn't have to edit /etc/apt/source.list
[02:46] <binarymutant> Debian you have to
[02:46] <cyberanger> if you compare ubuntu's live cd to debian's install, they both are lacking universe & multiverse (or contrib & non-free for debian)
[02:47] <cyberanger> in the live disc you either add them or uncomment them at least
[02:47] <cyberanger> you & I use advanced installers
[02:47] <binarymutant> idk last time I used the livecd installer I didn't have to do anything then either
[02:48] <binarymutant> that's a good enough reason to stick with ubuntu :D
[02:48] <cyberanger> (I've used alternate more than netinst, due to needing a ethernet tie in, wifi or celluar card but they added it in yesterday, uncommented too, live cd yesterday didn't)
[02:49] <cyberanger> oh, should add, live cd was 10.04.03 rest was 11.04 (cli install)
[02:50] <cyberanger> thing is, I bash scripted it in, no extra work
[02:51] <binarymutant> that's cool
[02:51] <binarymutant> cyberanger: tried zsh yet? Better tab completion :D
[02:51] <cyberanger> I just can't tolerate where ubuntu's been going
[02:52] <binarymutant> cyberanger: towards bug number 1
[02:52] <cyberanger> can't say I have recently, dash & bash for sure
[02:53] <binarymutant> I can't make any excuses for unity's left handed panel but other than that it's very 'new to linux' friendly
[02:53] <cyberanger> can't say it really is fixing bug number 1 though
[02:54] <binarymutant> staying 'new to linux' friendly does, average joe can't use Arch :P
[02:54] <cyberanger> I've had issues with unity (dual monitors mainly, but ease of use on my hw, too much graphics processing to draw a menu)
[02:54] <binarymutant> err *can't install Arch
[02:54] <cyberanger> and those bugs were'nt too new to anything friendly
[02:55] <binarymutant> cyberanger: yes composite sucks, but Windows & Apple do composite so it's inline with lp bug #1
[02:56] <cyberanger> it seems that the only time I have xorg crash is with compiz running (or a driver glitch in dual monitors)
[02:56] <binarymutant> xorg is awesome
[02:56] <cyberanger> drivers through me into a boot loop, xorg drops me to a terminal (no big to me, I drop myself to a terminal)
[02:57] <binarymutant> ** except for taking away ctrl+alt+backspace **
[02:57] <binarymutant> I had to put ctrl+alt+backspace into my .xinitrc file
[02:57] <cyberanger> so it's these little bugs that show up huge, that makes unity look worse (to me it's already bad for the pointless composite)
[02:57] <binarymutant> setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp &
[02:58] <binarymutant> cyberanger: unity isn't 20+ years old though, like xorg
[02:58] <cyberanger> and that's an ubuntu issue, not an xorg one (too many used to the task manager, hence why)
[02:58] <cyberanger> binarymutant: unity isn't xorg, it's gnome, apples to oranges
[02:59] <cyberanger> xorg is under unity, it's a unity issue too
[02:59] <binarymutant> cyberanger: right but I'm talking project vs project, unity has bugs because its new, xorg doesn't because its super old
[02:59] <cyberanger> but it's also kernel bugs in  ati nvidea & intel chips, wifi
[03:00] <cyberanger> binarymutant: ah, true, unless code that's new goofs, new driver code, xrandr is fairly new
[03:00] <binarymutant> when Unity is as stable as xorg these small bugs won't be there and then it'll just be a paradigm issue
[03:00] <cyberanger> and that's why openbox works, I can contain the bugs
[03:00] <cyberanger> I've found the dual monitor issue is unity, not xorg
[03:01] <cyberanger> through grub into a boot loop (traced to the kernel driver & composting settings unity enabled)
[03:01] <binarymutant> or when unity is as stable as *box, *box has been arround forever too
[03:02] <cyberanger> true, but windows 8 hasn't and it's more stable (I hate typing that, but truth hurts)
[03:02]  * cyberanger fetches the neosporin
[03:03] <cyberanger> that's the thing, unity has been out longer than windows 8, and neither is a complete rewrite or 100% fresh ui
[03:03] <binarymutant> nah Windows 8 has been around since forever, same kernal and it's just vista's wm - stableized
[03:03] <cyberanger> wrst: the tablet bit?
[03:03] <binarymutant> err more stableized
[03:04] <cyberanger> the netbook stuff & phone stuff in 7 is where that's from, but that matches unity
[03:04] <binarymutant> it's not like Windows wrote their composite wm from scratch every time
[03:04] <cyberanger> same with unity (riding on compiz)
[03:04] <binarymutant> ^^ very true
[03:04] <cyberanger> is it a fair comparison, no, is it the closest we'll see, probally
[03:05] <cyberanger> nearly the same development time, riding on older code, both have issues
[03:05] <binarymutant> but compiz has had a huge internal problem that made stableizing harder. Windows didn't have issues with a community forking it
[03:05] <cyberanger> unity is in a stable release though, and windows 8 has alot with 7, which is stable
[03:06] <binarymutant> idk
[03:06] <cyberanger> true, which is my point
[03:06] <cyberanger> I'm saying unity isn't a solution to bug #1, if you release it broken on common video cards
[03:06] <cyberanger> 8 isn't even out, and I can't cause the same bugs with the same cards
[03:07] <cyberanger> I'm not comparing it to XP, that's unfair
[03:08] <cyberanger> bug #1 needs to match that same compatability, have more flexability in what can run (we're getting there finally)
[03:08] <wrst> ok cyberanger about have the minimal set up if i'm going to do this might as well use arch or debian and have a rolling release
[03:09] <cyberanger> and we have so much UI options, we should focus on documentation on issues, and fixing issues, make it stable
[03:09] <cyberanger> we gained when MS goofed, we were stable
[03:10] <cyberanger> now I'm on debian after ubuntu slid back (and I'm on debian testing, newer code, which is where it's a bit insulting)
[03:10] <cyberanger> wrst: debian testing in my book
[03:10] <binarymutant> Unity isn't the end all to lp#1 for sure. But it was necessary. The biggest problem to bug #1 is that Windows isn't a collection of free software projects so therefor has an upper hand
[03:11] <cyberanger> vs ubuntu which is still a collection of software projects, and doesn't work right
[03:11] <binarymutant> vs ubuntu which has to deal with developers of their collection of software projects, which at times don't work together
[03:11]  * cyberanger has never gotten unity to work for a month with noob level skills
[03:11] <binarymutant> ala gnome-org
[03:12] <cyberanger> but what's a broken ui fix?
[03:12] <binarymutant> a patch?
[03:14] <binarymutant> Unity isn't for us, but it's good for Ubuntu
[03:14] <binarymutant> they should put the panel on the bottom though ***
[03:14] <binarymutant> brb
[03:15] <cyberanger> binarymutant: if unity is what a noob is supposed to see, but instead sees a boot loop, how is that good
[03:15] <cyberanger> think patch is the point I'm getting at, we're calling a natty (with unity) stable, and it's not
[03:16] <cyberanger> comparing it to win8 which is a developer preview, and isn't doing that, fine for a week
[03:19] <binarymutant> cyberanger: it booted fine for me :D
[03:21] <binarymutant> reinstall a standard natty iso, it's fine now
[03:22] <binarymutant> cyberanger: which wm would you push onto new users?
[03:24] <binarymutant> I look at unity like I do software-center. It's not for me but it's a lot easier for new users to understand than apt-get
[03:24] <cyberanger> binarymutant: dual monitors?
[03:25] <binarymutant> cyberanger: the general public don't use dual monitors though
[03:25] <cyberanger> binarymutant: lxde, currently (less a special reason)
[03:25] <binarymutant> what's lxde using?
[03:25] <cyberanger> true, same card crashed as a single monitor, but work needed dual for it
[03:25] <cyberanger> binarymutant: lxde is a wm
[03:25] <cyberanger> lubuntu
[03:26] <binarymutant> openbox
[03:28] <binarymutant> idk it would be hard to explain how to configure openbox to a new user
[03:28] <cyberanger> in the same sense that unity is on compiz
[03:28] <cyberanger> not much (if anything) to really configure
[03:29] <binarymutant> it looks old too
[03:29] <binarymutant> Ubuntu needs to look fresh and very easy, hard to do
[03:30] <cyberanger> unity was meant for older hardware, and there is a reason XP is still big too
[03:31] <cyberanger> and it's easy (and not as bug ridden)
[03:31] <cyberanger> sorry, lxde was meant for older harderware, unlike unity*
[03:31] <binarymutant> nah XP is still the number one desktop because ppl don't want to buy another computer
[03:32] <cyberanger> exactly, and new support, and they heard about vista, can't see the diff with 7 or 8
[03:32] <binarymutant> heh i can't see a difference between 8 and 95 :D
[03:32] <binarymutant> NT kernel
[03:32] <Unit193> Are you blind? :P
[03:33] <binarymutant> ^^ NT kernel
[03:34] <binarymutant> Start panel, desktop icons, etc. same old same old
[03:34] <binarymutant> anyways, I may be wrong about Unity being needed for bug #1, but composite is a must
[03:35] <binarymutant> [[ linux3.0! ]]
[03:36] <Unit193> Liquorix3.0 didn't want to work with me :/
[03:37] <binarymutant> Unit193: never heard
[03:37] <cyberanger> binarymutant: out of the box, with an off switch
[03:37] <cyberanger> and where it works, sure
[03:37] <cyberanger> and with varity (dual screens have their place too)
[03:38] <binarymutant> I've never seen a "general public" computer user with dual screens
[03:39] <cyberanger> doesn't mean ignore it, we gotta lure gaming, where it's bigger
[03:40] <binarymutant> we gotta have games to get the gamers :P
[03:40] <cyberanger> gotta lure businesses, where it happens
[03:40] <cyberanger> true, but a platform where what games require are needed to get games
[03:40] <cyberanger> I play flight simulators & FPS
[03:41] <binarymutant> I used to, but laptop fps isn't very fun :(
[03:41] <cyberanger> my flight sim I'd love to get on three screens, build a cockpit out of it
[03:41] <cyberanger> but while I can play linux flight sim's, can't with the current issues in ubuntu
[03:41] <binarymutant> Unit193: what does "the best configuration for desktop, multimedia, and games" mean?
[03:42] <binarymutant> cyberanger: why not?
[03:42] <Unit193> 3? http://www.whylinuxisbetter.net/items/free_games/Images/quake_24_screens.jpg
[03:42] <Unit193> binarymutant: What?
[03:42] <binarymutant> cyberanger: oh composite + gl yeah
[03:42] <binarymutant> Unit193: quake 3 on a million screens awesome
[03:43] <binarymutant> not a casual computer user there
[03:43] <binarymutant> 24 screens of OpenArena would be awesome
[03:43] <Unit193> IIRC, Liquorix is a repo for http://zen-kernel.org/ but I could be very wrong...
[03:44] <cyberanger> binarymutant: and GPU drivers that crash with two monitors, yep
[03:44] <binarymutant> lol @ zen-kernel names!
[03:45] <binarymutant> the gtfo release lol
[03:45] <binarymutant> cyberanger: how does gaming work on Windows w/ composite?
[03:46] <binarymutant> ...I remember asking that years ago...
[03:47] <Unit193> binarymutant: Not the same as Liquorix
[03:48] <binarymutant> I've never used any kernel that wasn't vanilla or configured by me
[03:48] <binarymutant> but since you said it didn't work, idk if I want to :P
[03:49] <cyberanger> binarymutant: more added resources, but considering my issues with unity, it's better
[03:49] <cyberanger> realistic details on MS flight sim X
[03:50] <cyberanger> it's grown
[03:50] <binarymutant> cyberanger: I haven't tried composite+gl game in a long time
[03:51] <binarymutant> I prolly have the hardware to do it now though
[03:52] <Unit193> binarymutant: Didn't work because newer version of GCC was used
[03:52] <binarymutant> Unit193: ah
[03:54] <cyberanger> scorched3d is a good demo for that
[03:54] <cyberanger> graphics is the only harsh requirement, configurable
[03:54] <binarymutant> scorched3d was super heavy when I tried it
[03:54] <cyberanger> other gammes are better, but higher requirements
[03:54] <binarymutant> maybe like 2 years ago
[03:55] <cyberanger> binarymutant: yeah, I mean graphics alone
[03:55] <binarymutant> ya I can see why that would be a good test
[03:55] <cyberanger> other words, it's not network heavy, ram hog outside of graphics
[03:55] <binarymutant> know what games work great in any condition? roguelikes!
[03:56] <binarymutant> @
[03:56] <cyberanger> and it's better now than then, but yeah, it's heavy
[03:56] <cyberanger> netcraft
[03:56] <cyberanger> chess
[03:56] <cyberanger> minesweeper
[03:56] <cyberanger> tons of old games, we need new games
[03:57] <cyberanger> that work
[03:57] <binarymutant> <- going through a retro phase atm
[03:57] <binarymutant> xboard, nethack, etc.
[03:58] <binarymutant> gearhead ** best game out there
[03:59] <binarymutant> doomrl, aliensrl, and friends are awesome too http://chaosforge.org
[04:12] <binarymutant> not the rl crowd hmm..
[04:16] <binarymutant> 0ad is fun
[04:27] <Unit193> cyberanger: What do you think about Debian testing for a server?
[04:36] <binarymutant> what do you want your uptime to be?
[04:36] <binarymutant> unstable is actually very stable...
[04:36] <Unit193> I don't like downtime
[04:37] <binarymutant> 100% uptime = stable, 95-99 = testing, 85-95 = unstable   imho
[04:38] <binarymutant> downtime being updates to the kernel*
[04:38] <Unit193> Stable = Programs last updated before you got your last car
[04:39] <binarymutant> yes
[04:40] <Unit193> I was thinking debian because if you don't go for stable, it can actually be up to date without quite a few ppas
[04:40] <binarymutant> unstable is
[04:41] <Unit193> Testing = Ubuntu?
[04:41] <binarymutant> unstable = ubuntu +1
[04:41] <binarymutant> oneiric is unstable unil the freeze
[04:42] <Unit193> (Can't ever remember that)
[04:42] <Unit193> Launchpad PPAs would still be nice, but Ubuntu does updates slow :/
[04:43] <binarymutant> you could always compile your apps :D
[04:43] <Unit193> As an example, I have a few LP PPAs, GetDeb repos, and something downloaded from LP for the Onriric series. I have compiled, but I'm too lazy to compile everything (Not using Gentoo here)
[04:44] <binarymutant> :D
[04:45] <binarymutant> what do you use from oneiric?
[04:46] <binarymutant> oh noes what do I need for auto-mounting??
[04:46] <binarymutant> HAL right?
[04:48] <Unit193> Pianobar :P
[04:49] <binarymutant> I think I might actually install that
[04:49] <binarymutant> try out pandora
[04:52] <Unit193> Or if you like GUI, pithos (python)
[04:52] <cyberanger> or if you don't like a GUI, Unit193's first recommendation rocks
[04:52] <binarymutant> pandora is like last.fm right?
[04:53] <Unit193> Yes it does!
[04:53] <cyberanger> (esp on my alice n chain & tool channels)
[04:53] <Unit193> cyberanger: But you even use OpenBox!
[04:53] <cyberanger> binarymutant: there's some differences, but they are similar
[04:53] <cyberanger> Unit193: with hulu & vlc (when xvideo is needed, say a dvd)
[04:54] <Unit193> VLC is awesome, but I don't use Hulu
[04:55] <binarymutant> *cough* mplayer
[04:56]  * cyberanger coughs louder, reaches for a cough drop
[04:56] <cyberanger> Unit193: keeps the cable bill low
[04:56] <cyberanger> hulu crackle & cbs.com (amoungst others
[04:56] <cyberanger> like the bbc's iplayer only available in the UK >:-))
[04:58] <binarymutant> :buffering:
[04:59] <binarymutant> just dl it :P
[05:00] <Unit193> cyberanger: I also don't have cable
[05:01] <cyberanger> binarymutant: no buffering, they're player is good, fetches it from some CDN servers in Atlanta (just gotta foul up the GeoIP tools they use, childs play)
[05:02] <binarymutant> a uk proxy probably works
[05:02] <binarymutant> too much work for me though, just as illegal as downloading it
[05:04] <binarymutant> gah pianobar makes me want to get mplayer working with pandora and last.fm now
[05:05] <binarymutant> http://bilalh.github.com/projects/mplayer-last-fm-scrobbler/
[05:05] <Unit193> I've never used Last.fm
[05:05] <binarymutant> it's weird :D
[05:05] <Unit193> ~riba@last.fm/user/web-knows
[05:06] <cyberanger> binarymutant: nothing illegal about it (well, for me that is, I pay their TV License FEE)
[05:06] <binarymutant> cyberanger: you pay UK tax?
[05:06] <cyberanger> no, just a fee
[05:06] <binarymutant> ah
[05:07] <cyberanger> it's just like a tollway, don't drive the tollroads, no legal reason to pay the tolls
[05:07] <binarymutant> lol
[05:08] <binarymutant> I'm way off the road then
[05:09] <binarymutant> why does pianobar need my email....
[05:09] <cyberanger> (dormate in boarding school was from the UK, I split the fee & he uses my setups to fool it while away, like when deployed (He's RAF) it's not a tax, don't have a TV, nothing to pay, however that's gotten a bit muddy now)
[05:09] <cyberanger> binarymutant: pandora account email, pandora username
[05:09] <binarymutant> I have to sign up?
[05:09] <cyberanger> yeah, to create your own radio station, your likes & dislikes theme the stations
[05:10] <Unit193> http://zzj.itf-inc.com/s2/
[05:10] <binarymutant> wow and tell them my gender, that's pretty invasive
[05:11] <cyberanger> binarymutant: I've had mutiple accounts, they don't even theme ads on it
[05:12] <binarymutant> how do I play music on pianobar? I set up a station but how to play?
[05:12] <binarymutant> nvm
[05:12] <cyberanger> lol
[05:13] <binarymutant> pretty cool, weird menu though
[05:13] <Unit193> He's funny
[05:16] <cyberanger> binarymutant: yeah, it keeps info out of the way, kinda awkward but quick to learn
[05:16] <cyberanger> and it's actually great after playing for 20 hours
[05:18] <binarymutant> the explainations are hilarious
[05:18] <binarymutant>  Based on what you've told us so far, we're playing this track because it features electronica roots, downtempo influences, beats made for dancing, a repetitive chorus and use of modal harmonies.
[05:22] <binarymutant> pandora's cool just like last.fm
[05:26] <cyberanger> binarymutant: debstep?
[05:26] <cyberanger> the more you use it, the better it gets
[05:26] <binarymutant> debstep ya
[05:27] <binarymutant> I'd say the differences between pandora and last.fm are the explanations
[05:27] <binarymutant> dpkg -i awesome.debstep
[05:33] <binarymutant> the explanations do get better! unsyncopated!
[05:34] <Unit193> Well, maybe the movie I picked isn't the best :/
[05:36] <Unit193> Looking for some "good" horror
[05:36] <binarymutant> Unit193: like what?
[05:38] <Unit193> Dunno, something that isn't crap :P
[05:38] <binarymutant> like... Troma? Full Moon? Franco? Argentina?
[05:38] <binarymutant> some ppl might think they're crap though :P
[05:38] <Unit193> Not heard of 'em, but When a Stranger Calls wasn't bad
[05:39] <Unit193> Neither was Insidious
[05:39] <binarymutant> oh
[05:39] <binarymutant> don't watch any of those examples above :D
[05:40] <Unit193> Why not? What are they? :P
[05:41] <binarymutant> explotation films, some people refer to them as "B" grade or whatever
[05:41] <binarymutant> ala "crap"
[05:42] <Unit193> The Ring {2} were not bad
[05:42] <binarymutant> you like subs?
[05:43] <Unit193> Subtitles? Not really
[05:43] <binarymutant> :/
[05:43] <binarymutant> can't help sorry
[05:44] <binarymutant> pianobar needs a client/server model so I can background it and still send it commands
[05:45] <Unit193> There was something not like that in man pianobar (I think)
[05:45] <binarymutant> fifo cool
[05:46] <cyberanger> Unit193: FIFO
[05:46] <Unit193> cyberanger: Yep
[05:47] <cyberanger> (made a section of an openbox menu focused on that)
[05:47] <Unit193> I've never used it
[05:48] <cyberanger> libnotify script too, makes it real simple
[05:50] <Unit193> That would be handy, but sill haven't done it :P
[05:54] <binarymutant> sweeeet
[05:57] <binarymutant> one of the contrib devs use my wm, that's always nice
[06:08] <binarymutant> eventcmd isn't working for me though :/
[06:14] <binarymutant> cyberanger: how'd you get notification working?
[06:15] <Unit193> Wow... Actually got bot to say currently playing in channel!
[06:17] <cyberanger> binarymutant: for pianobar, scripted, hang on
[06:23] <cyberanger> binarymutant: http://zachgibbens.tk/pianobar/
[06:23] <binarymutant> ty
[06:24] <cyberanger> that config left out 'user = ' and 'password = ' dunno if that's needed, or if it just saves me from logging in
[06:25] <Unit193> Thankyou
[06:25] <Unit193> It isn't
[06:25] <cyberanger> mp3 hifi is pandora one only, hence why it's commented out
[06:25] <cyberanger> autostart station is my quickmix, you'll need to swap that with one of your stations
[06:26] <cyberanger> pianobar provides the string you'll need
[06:27] <cyberanger> I tweaked the script a little (from the orignal source) to try and keep it from running if I'm 100% cli only (no $DISPLAY)
[06:27] <cyberanger> not tested yet though, so if that's an issue, lemme know I'll upload the stock script
[06:28] <binarymutant> stock script didn't work for me, and it was written for the wm I was using :/
[06:28] <cyberanger> (I've used the notification bit, not tested the DISPLAY checking bit)
[06:28] <cyberanger> binarymutant: chmod +x it
[06:28] <cyberanger> ?
[06:28] <binarymutant> nah I did that
[06:29] <cyberanger> and you need the config file to point at it
[06:29] <cyberanger> did that fail
[06:29] <Unit193> There is a newline where it's a comment
[06:29] <cyberanger> Unit193: say what, in the notification script
[06:30] <Unit193> Line 15
[06:30] <cyberanger> oh yep
[06:30] <Unit193> It's not even an issue
[06:31] <cyberanger> that'd do it (that's what I get for uploading an older version
[06:31] <cyberanger> didn't think why it was on the server, I see an issue)
[06:32] <Unit193> Eh, maybe I should just get a .tk :/
[06:33] <cyberanger> yep, that was an error
[06:33] <Unit193> But so easy to fix
[06:33] <cyberanger> binarymutant: redownload, two typo's I missed
[06:34] <binarymutant> hng on
[06:35] <cyberanger> binarymutant: you using safari?
[06:35] <binarymutant> no
[06:35] <cyberanger> Unit193: safari?
[06:35] <binarymutant> webkit though, I changed my user-agent to that though **
[06:36] <cyberanger> binarymutant: ah, was wondering which of you two got it off
[06:36] <Unit193> Nope
[06:38] <Unit193> Have to redownload already? Dang...
[06:38] <cyberanger> Unit193: two typos got missed
[06:39] <cyberanger> binarymutant: maybe that UA is right, rarely see safari anyhow, just looks off to me
[06:39] <Unit193> I'm sure you noticed mine :P
[06:39] <binarymutant> I was trying to get youtube.com/html5 to work right at the time :D
[06:40] <cyberanger> ah
[06:40] <binarymutant> although I thought I put it back onto luakit
[06:40] <cyberanger> Unit193: yep
[06:41] <cyberanger> (happening to be auditing logs anyhow, supposed to be daily routine, holding it at weekly lately)
[06:41] <cyberanger> binarymutant: that one should work
[06:41] <Unit193> Mine worked
[06:42] <binarymutant> cyberanger: thanks, had to edit it for my setup, but it works now :D
[06:42] <cyberanger> binarymutant: the config or the bash script?
[06:42] <binarymutant> the bash script
[06:42] <cyberanger> what needed modifing
[06:42] <binarymutant> pianobar-notify
[06:43] <cyberanger> I mean in the script?
[06:43] <binarymutant> ah I use that naughty line that was commented out
[06:43] <binarymutant> instead of notify-send
[06:45] <cyberanger> ah (I do know the path in the config is unlikely to be in your systems, at least I don't recall tweaking your filepath last time I was logged into your boxes >:-))
[06:45] <cyberanger> binarymutant: note: scrobbler-helper
[06:46] <Unit193> Last.fm script is in the examples
[06:46] <binarymutant> yeah I saw that too
[06:46] <cyberanger> binarymutant: hadn't tried that, but thought I'd point it out
[06:46] <cyberanger> Unit193: there were example scripts
[06:46]  * cyberanger facepalms
[06:47] <cyberanger> I spent a hour or two tweaking, mixing & matching from blog posts
[06:48] <Unit193> One for the KDE notify thing, another for rbot (I have that), etc
[06:49] <binarymutant> is there really any bashism in that script?
[06:49] <cyberanger> I could have put dash or sh I bet
[06:49] <binarymutant> it's on /bin/bash
[06:50] <binarymutant> yours is
[06:50] <cyberanger> old habit, I test with bash, pass or fail
[06:50] <binarymutant> apparently there is bashism in it
[06:50] <binarymutant> good thing I haven't taken that off :D
[06:51] <cyberanger> (sometimes I miss a typo on a revision and just do it, but jist is I just go by what I test it on, for good measure, if I tested in dash it'd been /bin/dash)
[06:51] <binarymutant> doesnt work w/ dash
[06:52] <cyberanger> binarymutant: wasn't saying it did, just saying I only tested in bash
[06:52] <binarymutant> ah
[06:52] <Unit193> Seems to work with zsh
[06:52] <binarymutant> I wish I could read shell scripts better
[06:52] <Unit193> ^^
[06:53] <binarymutant> Unit193: everything works with zsh :D :D :D
[06:53] <binarymutant> wait.. it doesn't here
[06:53] <cyberanger> didn't think I did anything exclusive to bash (or lacking in dash) I test my scripts by calling dash or bash or ....
[06:53] <cyberanger> added verbosity usually
[06:54] <cyberanger> depending on the script (this one I probally cut corners)
[06:55] <cyberanger> so I only tested bash (when I test I add that line, If I test two (say bash & dash) I'll add whatever one I think worked better/quicker to the top, add the other below it (as a comment)
[06:55] <binarymutant> http://paste.ubuntu.com/698933/
[06:56] <cyberanger> I can read bash to a point, but I'm not a programmer, so It's a matter of pride I can even say this
[06:56] <Unit193> Yep, I can read some programming enough to change things to how I like
[06:57] <cyberanger> clipped the script (instead of commenting it) and that's got bashism in it, hrm....
[06:59] <cyberanger> binarymutant: don't see anything in that that I'd expect dash would care about (I'll need to read up on dash again, most of my scripts are more straightforward than this, maybe longer, but easier to follow & so on)
[06:59] <cyberanger> binarymutant: it is working in bash though?
[06:59] <binarymutant> yes bash
[06:59] <cyberanger> Unit193: zsh is running it?
[06:59] <binarymutant> no in anything else
[06:59] <Unit193> Had something, but that doesn't have to be zsh
[07:00] <binarymutant> is this script taking from stdin? I might just go ahead and write it in ruby just so I know what's going on
[07:00] <binarymutant> or some other $lang besides sh
[07:00] <Unit193> I'm trying to watch something, so pianobar isn't something I have on
[07:02] <cyberanger> binarymutant: looks like stdin the whole way
[07:02] <cyberanger> passing glance
[07:02] <binarymutant> what really throw me off is the `;; *) ;;`
[07:03] <cyberanger> yeah, that isn't clear
[07:04] <Unit193> The rbot one is ruby if that helps...
[07:04] <cyberanger> could have rewritten for better clarity
[07:05] <cyberanger> Unit193: you were asking about ubotutn, yes?
[07:05] <cyberanger> way back
[07:05] <Unit193> That was why I was here in the first place :P
[07:05] <binarymutant> rbot is very fun
[07:05] <cyberanger> binarymutant: yeah, it works for me, that's all I ever promise with my scripts
[07:06] <cyberanger> Unit193: meet the project maintainer, binarymutant ;-)
[07:07] <binarymutant> not a very good maintainer
[07:07] <cyberanger> binarymutant: at least lp still thinks your the maintainer, honestly idk what's going on with our irc bots, we have a good many
[07:07] <Unit193> cyberanger: Already met him (kinda) and talked to him (Told me to get lost ;) )
[07:07] <binarymutant> :P
[07:07] <cyberanger> MootBot: meetingology ubuntulog_ (didn't notice locobot left)
[07:07] <cyberanger> lol
[07:08] <Unit193> Two meeting bots is really going to mess you up when you start a meeting. Did you read up on meetingology?
[07:09] <cyberanger> Unit193: you know it's bad when you walk into the same gas station twice in the same day to get directions, and the guy says get lost
[07:09] <cyberanger> Unit193: I've got that covered in my reminder scripts
[07:09] <cyberanger> there are commands to get the two to ignore each other
[07:09] <Unit193> You could also /remove MootBot ;)
[07:10] <cyberanger> well, once meetingology has a good meeting run, that's the plan
[07:10] <cyberanger> binarymutant: intrested in being the east tn poc again?
[07:11] <binarymutant> cyberanger: uhhh err umm
[07:11] <binarymutant> cyberanger: prolly not yet
[07:11] <cyberanger> oh dear
[07:11] <cyberanger> lol
[07:12] <binarymutant> what's meetingology?
[07:12] <cyberanger> binarymutant: well, membership is low, and I've already got a youth service that overlaps (ironically, it's the most likely project to involve ubuntu lately)
[07:12] <Unit193> binarymutant: He won't be asking me next, he'll keep after you ;)
[07:12] <binarymutant> supy
[07:12] <cyberanger> toss in work, I might be having to step down in november or so
[07:12] <Unit193> It's supybot by Alan Bell and has some advancements over MootBot
[07:12] <cyberanger> hence why I ask
[07:13] <cyberanger> binarymutant: meeting bot, upgrade to MootBot
[07:13] <Unit193> That's odd word usage
[07:13] <binarymutant> it's pretty cool
[07:13] <Unit193> Oh yeah, seen it in action for Xubuntu meeting
[07:14] <Unit193> cyberanger: OP the bot right before the meeting ;)
[07:14] <binarymutant> what's it's .. thingy mabob
[07:14] <binarymutant> !last
[07:15] <cyberanger> Unit193: why?
[07:16] <Unit193> @ping
[07:16] <meetingology> pong
[07:16] <Unit193> cyberanger: It's fun ;)
[07:16] <binarymutant> ah ty
[07:16] <Unit193> @supybot.reply.whenAddressedBy.chars
[07:16] <meetingology> Unit193: Error: "supybot.reply.whenAddressedBy.chars" is not a valid command.
[07:17] <Unit193> @config supybot.reply.whenAddressedBy.chars
[07:17] <meetingology> Unit193: Global: @; #ubuntu-us-tn: @
[07:17] <binarymutant> @recent
[07:17] <meetingology> binarymutant: Error: You don't have the admin capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
[07:17] <cyberanger> oh dear
[07:18] <Unit193> You could list it ;) (In PM)
[07:18] <cyberanger> meetingology: whoami
[07:18] <meetingology> cyberanger: I don't recognize you.
[07:18] <binarymutant> I have been
[07:18] <cyberanger> that's fine by me, I don't recognize you either
[07:18] <binarymutant> it was a misc function, thought I could see the last meeting
[07:18] <binarymutant> but no.
[07:19] <cyberanger> meetingology: whoami
[07:19] <meetingology> cyberanger: I don't recognize you.
[07:19] <cyberanger> still, hrm
[07:19] <binarymutant> cyberanger: you have to register with the bot
[07:19]  * cyberanger makes a note to re-read meetingology
[07:19] <binarymutant> `/msg meetingology`
[07:20] <cyberanger> binarymutant: yeah, thought I did though, when I had it invited here
[07:20] <Unit193> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology
[07:20]  * binarymutant goes back to hacking on pianobar stdout
[07:20] <Unit193> Doesn't need to know you
[07:24] <binarymutant> what other ppl are bots"?
[07:24] <Unit193> I've been called a bot...
[07:25] <cyberanger> Unit193: between one and ten, what are the odds I'm referring to binary
[07:25] <binarymutant> chat bot :P
[07:26] <cyberanger> binarymutant: atm, meetingology MootBot and ubuntulog_ (I don't count ChanServ, it's a service)
[07:26] <Unit193> 1
[07:26] <cyberanger> woah, 0330 already, time for some sleep
[07:27] <binarymutant> 13 ppl in this chan? I think I've only talked to maybe 4 people
[07:27]  * cyberanger was supposed to draw the line at 0200
[07:27] <binarymutant> <-alnightner
[07:27] <cyberanger> binarymutant: you, me wrst Unit193 xpistos pace_t_zulu pleia2 and binarymutant
[07:28] <cyberanger> that I know over the years for sure
[07:28] <binarymutant> ya
[07:28] <cyberanger> (and yes, like all great geeks you do talk to yourself, thankfully via a bot (it's less creepy that way)))
[07:29] <cyberanger> binarymutant: usually I am (and soon that might be paycheck supported too, woot woot) but meetings, doc appts, so on
[07:29] <cyberanger> there are daytime tasks to get done
[07:29] <binarymutant> no sunlight here
[07:30] <Unit193> Good job on mass highlight ;)
[07:30] <Unit193> average_guy
[07:30] <cyberanger> I've got an interview for some jobs tommorow, some were for night shift positions, but HR works days
[07:30] <cyberanger> Unit193: I need to try harder, I missed some
[07:30] <binarymutant> yes that does suck
[07:31] <binarymutant> 8-5hr, for 3-11am shift, etc
[07:31] <cyberanger> binarymutant: and I'll be driving past your hood tommorow too
[07:32] <binarymutant> idk where my hood is right now... somewhere in Wellsville :/
[07:33] <cyberanger> well, wellsville is small enough, I'll be in that whole area tommorow
[07:33] <cyberanger> folks live in kagley area
[07:33] <binarymutant> no clue where that is :D
[07:33] <cyberanger> 5 mi further east, roughly
[07:34] <binarymutant> ah :D
[07:34] <cyberanger> US 129 & 336 junction, take 336 5 miles further east, that area
[07:35] <binarymutant> I live right off 129 right now I think
[07:35] <cyberanger> that junction for what I recall is sorta the center of wellsville
[07:35] <binarymutant> yes
[07:35] <cyberanger> you probally do, it's gonna be one of those two roads
[07:35] <binarymutant> with the corner store(the only store) thats a huge rip off
[07:36] <cyberanger> funny thing is, wellsville isn't really on any maps now, no real town there
[07:36] <binarymutant> they all just say blount
[07:36] <cyberanger> yep
[07:37] <cyberanger> head down US 129, going toward north carolina, say 3 miles, pumpkin center, little better prices
[07:37] <cyberanger> that's at the junction of US 129 & TN 72
[07:37] <binarymutant> might try that :D
[07:38] <cyberanger> keep in mind, nothing is really reasonable out of town, but you burn gas on every trip in town, there is some give & take
[07:38] <cyberanger> properity/rent is lower, as is taxes, utilities (to a point)
[07:38] <cyberanger> so there is some give & take to that
[07:39] <cyberanger> & you have the foothills & lake chilowee in your backyard
[07:39] <binarymutant> yeah I'm just now getting used to that paradigm problem
[07:41] <cyberanger> it was worse when I first came to tennessee, boarding school, then summer there, didn't know the area, folks are busy nurses, couldn't drive (and when I could, till my junior to senior summer break, I didn't have a car to drive, they took them to work)
[07:41] <cyberanger> then I got a dodge intrepid, now it's a Ford f-150, and higher gas prices too, I'm learning it too, it's not a quick lesson
[07:42] <cyberanger> well, best I get off, chat with you both later
[07:42] <binarymutant> night
[07:47] <Unit193> Adios
[07:47] <binarymutant> later
[07:47] <Unit193> That was to him
[07:47] <binarymutant> :P
[07:48] <Unit193> Glanced and didn't see that part. So I now can stalk you down :P
[07:48] <binarymutant> I don't hide
[07:49] <binarymutant> bring money & cigerettes pls :D
[07:53] <Unit193> Heh, not beer?
[07:54] <binarymutant> sure! Hitachino but if your cheap pbr will do :P
[07:58] <Unit193> I'm sure now isn't the best time to ask if anyone else is stalking pleia on G+ :P
[07:59] <binarymutant> I follow on twitter planet-ubuntu
[08:00] <Unit193> Planet-Ubuntu has too much clutter
[08:01] <binarymutant> have you seen planet-fedora?
[08:01] <Unit193> No
[08:01] <binarymutant> way more clutter
[08:01] <Unit193> Heh, bodhi get on there too?
[08:01] <binarymutant> who?
[08:02] <Unit193> BodhiZazen
[08:02] <binarymutant> yes bodhi.zazen
[08:02] <binarymutant> more on fedora than ubuntu (had to search)
[08:03] <Unit193> He is Amby and got cloak changed from ubuntu/member to fedora/ :P
[08:04] <Unit193> And I still got nothing :P
[08:04] <binarymutant> and I'm lost :/
[08:04] <Unit193> bodhi_zazen (~bodhi_zaz@fedora/bodhizazen)
[08:05] <Unit193> phillw (~phillw@ubuntu/member/phillw)
[08:05] <binarymutant> yeah, mostly posts on fedora
[08:05] <Unit193> He just got it changed from Ubuntu, but he's still forum admin and UBT lead, he wins :D
[08:06] <binarymutant> ah
[08:06] <binarymutant> well a lot of ppl participate on different distros
[08:06] <binarymutant> mostly ubuntu -> debian
[08:07] <binarymutant> I only skim the planets for whatever appeals, I usually don't follow
[08:07] <Unit193> Yep, our LoCo watcher(?) got his debian maintainership
[08:08] <binarymutant> who?
[08:08] <Unit193> I get the UWN from her G+ and read it :P
[08:08] <Unit193> paultag
[08:08] <binarymutant> dm? or dd?
[08:08] <binarymutant> that's pretty cool either way
[08:08] <Unit193> DM
[08:09] <binarymutant> I have to start uploading again, need to get back on the road to DD
[08:09] <Unit193> Dang, people actually good at something...
[08:09] <binarymutant> it's not hard
[08:10] <Unit193> Packaging?
[08:10] <binarymutant> ya
[08:10] <Unit193> I've seen the guide, didn't look easy
[08:10] <binarymutant> if you can compile you can package, it's easy
[08:11] <binarymutant> it takes forever to get to DD though
[08:12] <binarymutant> aw sleepy, i'm out
[08:12] <binarymutant> Night :D
[08:12] <Unit193> Dang, just me now...
[08:12] <Unit193> Have a good one
[11:43] <wrst> cyberanger: good luck on the job hunt today
[13:20] <xpistos> Morning
[13:20] <xpistos> wrst: Capo
[14:02] <wrst> morning xpistos
[14:08] <xpistos> okay I have bitlbee installed on my server now what do I do?
[14:09] <wrst> is it the same server that quassel is on xpistos?
[14:09] <xpistos> yes
[14:10] <wrst> ok you will probably want to restart the server I don't know what but some daemon needs to be started and I never could figure it out and saw that restarting fixed the issue so I would restart the server
[14:10] <wrst> then add a new irc network to localhost
[14:11] <xpistos> do that last part in quassel?
[14:12] <wrst> yes I will send you a screen shot :)
[14:13] <wrst> xpistos: http://wesleystout.no-ip.org/quassel.png
[14:14] <wrst> xpistos: and you can try that before restarting but if you don't connect restarting should fix it or did for me and one other random dude
[14:14] <wrst> :)
[14:15] <xpistos> where are you doing that? I don't see it
[14:18] <wrst> file -> networks -> configure networks
[14:18] <wrst> then add
[14:19] <wrst> if you haev any thing blocking port 6667 I think you might have to unblock that also
[14:19] <xpistos> Ok. I was looking at the tope
[14:19] <xpistos> or top
[14:19] <xpistos> so open port 6667 to my server
[14:19] <wrst> i can't type either :)
[14:20] <wrst> xpistos: try it without because with it being localhost not for sure if you have to open or not?
[14:20]  * wrst is not so good with things like that
[14:20] <xpistos> LOL
[14:20] <xpistos> So. I did all that now how to I start bitlbee to get it working?
[14:21] <wrst> ok try connecting to that network
[14:21] <wrst> all bitlbee is, is your own little irc network running on your server that connects to those im protocols
[14:22] <wrst> oh and xpistos here is some decent documentation: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Bitlbee but If you can't connect to that network if you can restart your server and I think that will take care of that issue
[14:26] <xpistos> nah. I am rebooting now
[14:28] <wrst> woot xpistos!
[14:29] <xpistos> When I try to connect I get Permission Denied - You're not an IRC operator
[14:30] <wrst> ok so you are connected to the server?
[14:30] <xpistos> well I am talking to you right now so I am guessing
[14:30] <wrst> xpistos:  well i mean to the bitlbee server
[14:31] <wrst> bitlbee is set up to connect just like you are connected to freenode
[14:31] <xpistos> one second
 Welcome to the BitlBee gateway!
[14:34] <wrst> ok you are there xpistos
[14:34] <wrst> and you should show up in the nick list?
[14:35] <xpistos> okay I added account add jabber greekpackrat@gmail.com password talk.google.com:5223:ssl
[14:35] <wrst> did it connect?
[14:35] <wrst> this is the part I get confused on :)
 Account successfully added
[14:36] <xpistos> I registered too
[14:36] <wrst> i know you somehow want to save all this too I think its in the documentation I had to follow a guide and ask cyberanger :)
[14:36] <xpistos> wrst what is your google account so I can try this
[14:37] <wrst> xpistos: do an "account list"
[14:37] <wrst> then accoun "account number" on
[14:37] <wrst> and its wesleystout is my gtalk user name :)
  0. jabber, greekpackrat@gmail.com
[14:38]  * wrst has to figure out how to add someone...
[14:39] <wrst> oh and this is good stuff xpistos
[14:39] <wrst> xpistos: do "account 0 on" if you haven't already
[14:41] <wrst> hmm xpistos think i did it
[14:42] <xpistos> what is that?
[14:42] <xpistos> account 0 on
[14:42] <wrst> added you
[14:42] <wrst> do you see any of your contacts?
[14:42] <wrst> xpistos: that account 0 on turns your account on
[14:42] <wrst> the first just adds it
[14:43] <wrst> after you run account 0 on you should see your contacts fill the room
[14:43] <wrst> key word is *should* :D
[14:43] <xpistos> Unknown command: account 0. Please use help commands to get a list of available commands.
[14:43] <wrst> account 0 on
[14:44] <wrst> sorry xpistos
[14:44] <wrst> acount on 0
[14:44] <xpistos> ok
[14:44] <wrst> too much thinking early in the morning :P
[14:45] <xpistos>    said authentication failure
[14:45] <xpistos> but ididn't see where I put a password?
[14:46] <wrst> you have to put the password when you add the account
[14:46] <xpistos> i didn't say an ifo about the password let me look again
[14:46] <pace_t_zulu> morning all
[14:46] <wrst> xpistos: account add jabber username@gmail.com mypasswd
[14:46] <wrst> talk.google.com:5223:ssl
[14:47] <wrst> morning pace_t_zulu
[14:48] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: what's that about ^
[14:48] <pace_t_zulu> bitlbee?
[14:48] <wrst> yes sir
[14:48] <pace_t_zulu> persistent jabber?
[14:48] <wrst> cyberanger: has started a bitlbee revolution
[14:48] <pace_t_zulu> i'm on board
[14:49] <pace_t_zulu> would be awesome if people weren't able to keep up w my movement
[14:49] <pace_t_zulu> kinda like in here ;)
[14:49] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: I'm liking it, it stayed on all the time on my phone and now I have it all in one quassel window even on my phone
[14:49] <pace_t_zulu> bitlbee works through quassel client???
[14:50] <pace_t_zulu> ok i'm reading it now
[14:50] <pace_t_zulu> sick
[14:50] <wrst> yeah pace_t_zulu, all bitlbee is really is an irc server
[14:50] <wrst> that connects to IM protocols
[14:50] <pace_t_zulu> works through any irc
[14:50] <pace_t_zulu> f yea
[14:50] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: +100
[14:50] <wrst> yeah you can connect to bitlbee's own servers but for security i prefer the have it running on my hardware route
[14:50] <xpistos> the only down side is you have to remeber you passwords
[14:51] <xpistos> lol
[14:52] <wrst> no xpistos after you get them in it will remember them for you
[14:52] <wrst> :P
[14:52] <wrst> but you do have to remember them once :)
[14:52] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: on a shared system that could be a problem
[14:53] <pace_t_zulu> brb ... reboot
[14:53] <xpistos> wrst: did you get that?
[14:55] <wrst> xpistos: care to send one now and let me know when you do?
[14:55] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: i presume this has cyberanger's prerequisite level of security
[14:55] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: ... /etc/xinetd.d/ ?
[14:55] <xpistos> jst sent test
[14:55] <wrst> well as long as its running on your on server I don't fear at
[14:56] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: should that be: /etc/init.d/
[14:56] <pace_t_zulu> >
[14:56] <pace_t_zulu> ?
[14:56] <wrst> hmm xpistos
[14:56] <wrst> pace_t_zulu:  i don't know ? what you are talking about :)
[14:56] <wrst> i just installed from the repos
[14:56] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Bitlbee
[14:56] <xpistos> lol
[14:56] <pace_t_zulu> "As of the version 1.0.3-1.3ubuntu1, the Feisty Fawn version of the bitlbee package doesn't create the right file in /etc/xinetd.d/ in order to launch bitlBee. You'll have to add a "ircd" file by hand in that directory, containing:"
[14:57] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: note : the above is not needed on Ubuntu 6.06.1 or Ubuntu 7.10, just 7.04 apparently.
[14:57] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: i had to restart my server for it to work
[14:57] <wrst> some daemon wouldn't start up
[14:57] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: /etc/init.d/bitlbee
[14:57] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: that's automatically created by apt
[14:57] <wrst> yeah i tried that but something else didn't work and for the network to fire up i had to reboot well didn't have to but just simpler
[14:58] <wrst> xpistos: care to try it again? and do I show up online now?
[14:59] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: so do i just connect to localhost/127.0.0.1 ?
[14:59] <pace_t_zulu> through quassel?
[14:59] <wrst> yep
[14:59] <xpistos> *** Mode &bitlbee +v wesleystout by localhost.localdomain
[14:59] <wrst> hmm weird
[15:00] <xpistos> pace what is your gtalk account?
[15:00] <xpistos> pace_t_zulu: what is your gtalk account
[15:01] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: i just "sudo service bitlbee stop and well it didn't stop :)
[15:01] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: is there a username and password?
[15:01] <wrst> on the network no
[15:02]  * wrst is way over his head with bitlbee and hope cyberanger comes soon
[15:02] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: this is a good user guide for when you get connected to bitlbee: http://www.bitlbee.org/main.php/irchacks_bitlbee.html
[15:04] <wrst> ok xpistos care to IM me again? :)
[15:04] <xpistos> * wesleystout is away: "Away"
[15:05] <wrst> hmm xpistos got nothing
[15:05] <xpistos> pace_t_zulu: when you log into bitlbee I have you added
[15:06] <xpistos> or gtalk or whatever
[15:06] <pace_t_zulu> xpistos: i don't connect to that account during the day
[15:06] <xpistos> np
[15:07] <xpistos> did you get that wrst
[15:11] <wrst> no xpistos i left gmail up at home shutting it down on my phone
[15:11] <wrst> care to try it one more time :)
[15:14] <xpistos> Well?
[15:15] <wrst> nada
[15:16] <xpistos> yes
[15:16] <xpistos> I got it
[15:18] <wrst> well crud, i'm deleting you and adding you back xpistos :)
[15:21] <wrst> add 0 greekpackrat@gmail.com
[15:21] <wrst> crud wrong window again!
[15:26] <wrst> hmm xpistos still nothing i'm trying one more "nuclear" option
[15:26] <xpistos> what if it is me
[15:27] <xpistos> I sent an im to a friend and he got it on his phone
[15:27] <xpistos> let me add my byuisness account
[15:27] <wrst> xpistos: i am pretty sure its me
[15:27] <xpistos> ok so its all about you huh
[15:28] <wrst> ha ha
[15:30] <xpistos> on more test
[15:30] <wrst> got nothing :)
[15:32] <xpistos> sorry
[15:32] <wrst> i do recieve messages from everyone else
[15:42] <xpistos> maybe it is me
[15:42] <wrst> its not you, its me xpistos
[15:43]  * wrst says as he leaves the relationship
[15:43] <cyberanger> wrst: hey
[15:43] <xpistos> cyberanger: either wrst's or my bitlbee is broked
[15:44] <wrst> or both xpistos :)
[15:44] <xpistos> insert sad trombone sound here
[15:44] <wrst> cyberanger: i can receive messages from all my other gtalk people but not xpistos and I just added him i'm guessing something t do with gtalk? or me? or xpistos is nuts?
[15:45] <cyberanger> wrst: thanks, I think this job bit will go well (but there are little guantrees, so yep, luck chance & planning it is)
[15:45] <wrst> awesome cyberanger
[15:47] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: we've had other members recommend it back when (chris4585 binarymutant) but it took a few versions (and possiblly a linux journal article) till I got hooked
[15:49] <cyberanger> wrst: I know yours works on that gtalk acct
[15:49] <cyberanger> xpistos: version of bitlbee and ubuntu
[15:49] <cyberanger> wrst: ^
[15:49] <wrst> yeah but I'm wondering if it has to do with adding a new user cyberanger?
[15:50] <cyberanger> wrst: into your bitlbee box, or new buddy in gtalk
[15:50] <cyberanger> or just into bitlbee?
[15:51] <xpistos> I installed bitlbee from the repos and i am on server 10.04.3
[15:51] <pace_t_zulu> pleia2: you a bit of a bitlbee ninja? (http://princessleia.com/bitlbee.php)
[15:51] <wrst> cyberanger: ubuntu 11.04 server and bitlbee 3.0.1-1build1
[15:51] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: is there a safer way to add accounts
[15:51] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: i can't stand seeing passwords in plaintext
[15:52] <pleia2> pace_t_zulu: yeah, it was the first open source project I worked on (that quickstart needs updating though)
[15:53] <pace_t_zulu> pleia2: it does need updating ... but it was the best resource i found
[15:53] <xpistos> wrst: how did you find your version? bitlbee -v didn't work for me
[15:53] <pace_t_zulu> pleia2: i'm pretty excited about bitlbee
[15:53] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: bitlbee can support ssl, what server are you using
[15:53] <wrst> xpistos: dpkg -s bitlbee
[15:53] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: localhost
[15:53] <pleia2> pace_t_zulu: it's just the same text as would be if you said in the &bitlbee channel if you: help quickstart
[15:53] <pleia2> /version
[15:53] <pleia2> should work too
[15:54] <cyberanger> xpistos: anybody else work from your install?
[15:54] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: i'm not sure ssl is manditory on localhost ... probably consumes uneccessary resources
[15:54] <xpistos>  1.2.4-2ubuntu0.1
[15:54] <wrst> yeah xpistos, pleia2's way is better :)
[15:55] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: was thinking you were trying a public server then, localhost would be a bit over the top
[15:55] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: so your fine transmitting, logs are the concern I take it
[15:56] <xpistos> I sent an im to a friend that recieved it on his phone
[15:56] <pace_t_zulu> pleia2 or cyberanger ... bitlbee queston ... so i connected as 'firstnamelastname' first time ... now i'm connected as 'FirstnameLastname' ... same thing just camelcase
[15:56] <pace_t_zulu> settings don't persist
[15:56] <pace_t_zulu> how can i delete the 'firstnamelastname' settings without purging bitlbee
[15:57] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: that sounds more like your irc client didn't persist on the nick
[15:57] <cyberanger> in bitlbee, drop
[15:57] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: i deliberately disconnected .... restarted bitlebee ... connected with the 'FirstnameLastname' camelcase nick
[15:58] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: thanks
[15:58] <cyberanger> xpistos: did you add wrst or wrst add you?
[15:58] <xpistos> I think both
[15:59] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger or pleia2: is there a more substantial guide than http://princessleia.com/bitlbee.php that y'all can point me to
[15:59] <cyberanger> xpistos: type qlist, see if root  has questions for you (bitlbee root, different from system root)
[15:59] <pace_t_zulu> bitlbee's docs are a bit of a mess
 There are no pending questions.
[15:59] <cyberanger> wrst: type qlist
[16:00] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: um, maybe arch has it up to date, unfortunately none come to mind
[16:00] <wrst> cyberanger: <root> There are no pending questions.
[16:01] <xpistos> I don;t know if this matters but when I put in bitlbee /version it looks like it is running or something not giving me a version like I told it to run instead
[16:01] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: I got it in one shot, but I'd run some IRCD's by then, so I see the pain (the IRCD's are worse in documentation usually)
[16:02] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: you know of a quick way to drop quassel backlogs for a specific channel
[16:02] <pace_t_zulu> ?
[16:02] <wrst> cyberanger: arch doesn't have much documentation on it either ubuntu had the best that I had found
[16:02] <wrst> i'm running on ubuntu server
[16:02] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: all of the back logs?
[16:02] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: for example the '&bitlbee' channel on the bitlbee server
[16:02] <cyberanger> xpistos: what client?
[16:02] <xpistos> quassel
[16:02] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: want to dump the backlog for that specific channel on the quassel-core
[16:03] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: because plaintext passwords are there
[16:03] <cyberanger> wrst: does quassel have a buffer channel?
[16:03] <pleia2> pace_t_zulu: the "help" and "help set" commands in channel are good
[16:03] <wrst> well pace_t_zulu not without disconnecting and just deleting the channel
[16:04] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: that's what i figured
[16:04] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: would be convenient if that could be done via the client
[16:05] <wrst> yeah like i've said quassel is very nice, but is not such a great client
[16:06] <cyberanger> xpistos: I had this happen twice, jabber sync glitch of some sort, only involved gtalk, try account off, give it a sec, account on
[16:07] <xpistos> off
[16:07] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: /msg nickserv identify <password> will help
[16:08] <cyberanger> as will adding accounts minus the password
[16:08] <xpistos> on
[16:08] <xpistos> wrst: did you get that?
[16:09] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: bitlbee has a way to do that, then take the password in a pm, kinda like it if we could md5sum them on our end for bitlbee
[16:10] <xpistos> cyberanger: did that but I don't think it worked
[16:11] <wrst> nope xpistos got nothing :\
[16:11] <wrst> xpistos: if you are running 10.04 i'm wondering if it could be an older version? oh and xpistos can you IM anyone else?
[16:12] <xpistos> yes
[16:12] <wrst> but xpistos since i can get to you still think its something on my end somehow
[16:12] <cyberanger> wrst: said he could
[16:12] <cyberanger> wrst: account off, wait a sec, account on
[16:15] <wrst> cyberanger:  on it
[16:15] <wrst> takes a while to sign off :)
[16:21]  * cyberanger isn't complaining, takes awhile to drink a soda
[16:22] <wrst> cyberanger: i think my problem may have been adding xpistos via bitlbee
[16:22] <wrst> i'm waiting to see if it worked with me adding through the gmail page... so xpistos message me!
[16:23] <xpistos> did you get that
[16:24] <xpistos> adding via bitlbee
[16:24] <cyberanger> wrst: gtalk is the only one I've had issues with, reguardless of the jabber client
[16:24] <wrst> yeah cyberanger gtalk is always weird
[16:24] <cyberanger> makes sense
[16:25] <cyberanger> http://xkcd.com/956/
[16:25] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: you know of a good way to "identify <password>" in quassel
[16:25] <pace_t_zulu> ?
[16:25] <pace_t_zulu> command on startup does not work
[16:25] <pace_t_zulu> *command on connect
[16:25] <wrst> for networks or for bitlbee pace_t_zulu?
[16:26] <pace_t_zulu> for quassel ... connecting to bitlbee server
[16:26] <pace_t_zulu> you need to "identify <password>" on bitlbee when connecting
[16:26] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: ^
[16:27] <wrst> yeah let me try something
[16:28] <wrst> i don't know of anything be nice if you could auto identify like on freenode but that didn't work
[16:28] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: you can do that by identifing to nickserv (root listens as nickserv)
[16:28] <wrst> ahh cyberanger so a /msg nickserv identify ?
[16:28] <xpistos> when I added wrst I added him with add in bitlbee
[16:28] <wrst> cyberanger: that's magic
[16:29] <wrst> ahh pace_t_zulu just set up to auto identify just like on freenode worked perfect, cyberanger you da man!
[16:30] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: to NickServ?
[16:30] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: yep
[16:30] <wrst> yes
[16:30] <wrst> in quassel F7 ->networks, select bitlbee then click on the auto identify tab
[16:30] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: ^
[16:31] <wrst> cyberanger: if my server ever blows up I will have to cook you a steak and have you over to help me set it back up!
[16:31]  * wrst thinking of steak goes for lunch
[16:32] <xpistos> wrst send me an im now
[16:33] <pace_t_zulu> ugh
[16:34] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: ....
[16:34] <pace_t_zulu> NickServ is away: "User is offline"
[16:38] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: i set the service to 'root'
[16:47] <xpistos> Sorry I was working on somethign did yoiu get that
[16:49] <xpistos> did youi get those?
[16:50] <pace_t_zulu> xpistos: you talking to me/
[16:51] <xpistos> yes
[16:51] <xpistos> I was
[16:59] <cyberanger> wrst: lol, and I'd probally do it
[16:59] <wrst> :D
[17:00] <wrst> cyberanger: bitlbee does rock, it has limitations as does quassel but its a nice one all be all for all things messaging for me now
[17:02] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: what limitations do you see right now?
[17:02] <wrst> well no video chat pace_t_zulu :P
[17:02] <wrst> but that's really it
[17:03] <xpistos> Well I am going to go eat and watch an episode of Star Trek Enterprise
[17:03] <cyberanger> wrst: and voice with that, but honestly, how often is that used
[17:03] <xpistos> bbl
[17:03] <cyberanger> and could you not fire up a different client for 5 minutes
[17:03] <cyberanger> wrst: same issue as finch though, yes?
[17:03] <wrst> and I never use that anyway, i do like having my list arranged differently and probably some way to do that, but i ain't complaing
[17:04] <wrst> enjoy xpistos!
[17:04] <wrst> cyberanger: yes
[17:04] <wrst> but with this i have my happy looking little gui client
[17:04] <pace_t_zulu> so wrst cyberanger xpistos my friends in #nihilist informed me of ZNC http://wiki.znc.in/ZNC
[17:05] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: a neat tool like the old BNC's
[17:05] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: yea ... so it won't limit you to an IRC client
[17:06] <wrst> hmm that is cool
[17:06] <pace_t_zulu> like quassel-core limits you to quassel-client
[17:06] <pace_t_zulu> :)
[17:06] <pace_t_zulu> glad i can bring something to the table for a change ;)
[17:06] <cyberanger> like irssi proxy does too
[17:06] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: yep, quassel-core is great but I think its safe to say that quassel-client leaves some thing to be desired
[17:07] <cyberanger> wrst: say a version that doesn't depend on xorg
[17:08] <wrst> it would be nice to have an ncurses quassel client
[17:09] <Unit193> It's called weechat ;)
[17:09] <Unit193> (Weechat is more like quassel iirc)
[17:10] <wrst> yeah Unit193 if i use cli irc its weechat
[17:10]  * cyberanger would like to point out, for once I didn't do that
[17:11] <wrst> but cyberanger, Unit193 i can't connect to my quassel core with it :P
[17:11] <Unit193> ncurses quassel = weechat. And cyberanger: that's because I beat you to it
[17:11] <Unit193> (Use and like irssi better myself)
[17:12] <wrst> Unit193: i agree irssi is a better client just don't like the interface as well
[17:12] <cyberanger> Unit193: no, it's becuase I'm trying to reduce my daily take on scarastic comments (it's just not working, it's just not me)
[17:13] <Unit193> cyberanger: Yeah, I think I tried that... Just don't do it at Funerals
[17:15] <cyberanger> Unit193: don't limit the scarsam at funerals?
[17:15] <Unit193> Try as hard as you can NOT to do it then :P
[17:18] <cyberanger> oh I can do that </scarsam>
[18:01] <wrst> cyberanger: you still around ?
[19:26] <pace_t_zulu> xpistos: why are you disconnected? (in this new world of persistent connectivity ;) )
[19:26] <xpistos> what?
[19:28] <cyberanger> wrst: hit and miss, preparing for an hour long drive, followed by another hour long drive, followed by a two hour long drive, followed by sleep and a 12 hour drive
[19:29] <wrst> wow cyberanger, just curious when i am tunneled is the download going to be only as fast as the upload of the conenction i am tunneled?
[19:30] <cyberanger> rephrase
[19:30] <wrst> oh sorry cyberanger
[19:30] <wrst> with an ssh tunnel
[19:30] <wrst> the machine I am at, will only have a download = to the upload of the machine i am tunneled to?
[19:31] <cyberanger> wrst: plus some overhead lowering a little more, that's right
[19:32] <wrst> ok cool been playing with it at work and the speed is pretty good
[19:32] <wrst> i have 6/1 at home and 1/256 here at work and getting .95 on the dl
[19:33] <cyberanger> and things to offset that to a point, that is your limiter, plus some cpu for encryption & decryption
[19:34] <cyberanger> ( I have squid on client & server, linked via a tunnel, that gives the impression of faster speeds, but it's an illusion, since the proxies keep content local
[19:35] <cyberanger> other methods too, but network & cpu are your limits, and networking, that defines the limit (plus .3 for ssh's process, .2 is other tasks uploading & downloading outside ssh)
[19:36] <wrst> i am pretty impressed cyberanger
[19:38] <cyberanger> it's not bad, small price for the crypto, but that's it
[19:40] <cyberanger> well, time to sign off, one hour to job interview, one hour back, load truck to blount county (2 hour drive), repack, sleep then chicago
[19:40] <Unit193> Adios, see you much later
[19:41] <Unit193> Good luck
[19:42] <Unit193> cyberanger: Quite note for when you get back. Pianobar notify doesn't handle &
[19:42] <cyberanger> I'll be on, just can't plan for much till the drive to chicago (I get to drive this one too, thank god, praise allah & holy budda I'd go mad sitting in that car crammed, and I'll have good net connection the bits I'm a passenger, curousity of the swissknife-router team I'll be using a hotspot the whole way)
[19:43] <cyberanger> Unit193: when I'm on tonight, I'll need more details on that
[19:43] <Unit193> Will try!
[19:43] <cyberanger> and thanks, luck is nice, even if it means admitting chance
[19:43] <cyberanger> *chance exists
[19:44] <Unit193> wrst: We got you on pianobar yet??
[19:45] <cyberanger> Unit193: shouldn't be hard to try (no programmer, scripter & debugger works for me, you give enough little & vauge details, I'll see the picture)
[19:45] <wrst> Unit193: no but how do I?
[19:46] <cyberanger> well, off I go, 2300-0000 is when I should be back
[19:46] <cyberanger> uh, 11pm to midnight eastern
[19:46] <cyberanger> (old habits eh)
[19:46]  * cyberanger detachs screen, opens the front door & into the abyss
[19:46] <wrst> good luck cyberanger
[19:47] <Unit193> I got it better with 2300-0000 I think :P
[19:47] <Unit193> wrst: What OS again? Install pianobar and run it from terminal (Pandora.com client for music)
[19:48] <Unit193> (I know you use Arch, just not sure what you'd set it up on)
[19:49] <wrst> well I use arch at home windows at work and ubuntu for my server
[19:50] <wrst> android on my phone
[19:50] <wrst> TV uses Linux kernel
[19:50] <wrst> wife has a MacBook
[19:50] <Unit193> Heh, nice... Arch would be best I would think
[19:51] <wrst> that's the complete list Unit193
[19:52] <wrst> is this soemthing i can run on one machne and use it from anywhere?
[19:52]  * wrst really should google this
[19:53] <Unit193> Well, you *could*, but the music would still come out of the one you started it on :P
[19:56] <wrst> yeah that doesn't help a lot for me really
[19:57] <Unit193> Yeah :/ http://imgur.com/gallery/mXQ40
[20:02] <wrst> ha ha Unit193
[20:02] <wrst> :)
[20:11] <Unit193> Ping me when you get home and bored, ok?
[20:11] <wrst> ok i might get that way tonight the wife has some company coming over
[20:11] <wrst> :)
[21:16] <xpistos> Alright peeps. I am just about outtahere so allow me to say siyanora or how ever  you spell it
[21:32] <wrst> ha ha see you later xpistos
[22:48] <cyberanger> ugh, feel like I got ambushed
[22:49] <cyberanger> Unit193: have you not heard of networked audio?
[22:50] <cyberanger> wrst: you could with tweaking
[22:58] <Unit193> cyberanger: Not messed with it
[22:59] <cyberanger> Unit193: oh, I won't hold that against you ;-)
[22:59] <cyberanger> it's intresting, hope it's easier to setup twice
[23:00] <Unit193> It's fun to randomly start VLC/pianobar when someone else is in front of the computer though
[23:00] <Unit193> And I'll say it again, food was great!
[23:01] <cyberanger> not as much fun as popusp added with it
[23:01] <cyberanger> modifing the hosts file too
[23:02] <cyberanger> you can aran really screw with them by telling xorg to start & stop dpms features at random, tell it to quit listening to local input
[23:03] <cyberanger> and bash script it so it's not remote input, some deniablity with that
[23:03]  * cyberanger knows how to annoy
[23:05] <Unit193> :D
[23:06] <Unit193> Stinking internet keeps dropping for this computer (Sitting at, not screen session)
[23:07] <cyberanger> sorry, I unplugged the switch to vacum some
[23:08] <Unit193> On a few days? You really want that clean...
[23:09] <cyberanger> gotta go back to loading the truck up
[23:13] <wrst> howdy
[23:14] <Unit193> Hello
[23:14] <Unit193> I made supper and we haven't died yet (Was even good)
[23:15] <wrst> ha ha Unit193 what was on the menu?
[23:16] <Unit193> Hamburgers, larg ones at that
[23:16] <Unit193> And it wasn't just for me either
[23:18] <wrst> ahh cool
[23:18] <wrst> i love me some burgers
[23:20] <wrst> i'm still messing with this minimal install, was trying to get gnome shell to work and no luck, easier to get it going on arch since you have documentation
[23:20]  * cyberanger sends the hamburgler your address Unit193
[23:21] <Unit193> cyberanger is sending wrst my way??
[23:21] <wrst> ha ha
[23:21] <Unit193> They are all gone :D
[23:21] <wrst> cyberanger: interview go ok?
[23:22] <Unit193> ^^
[23:29] <cyberanger> wrst: better than driving there (chattanooga isn't good anymore) but felt like I was ambushed at points
[23:30] <cyberanger> I think I did, but we'll see soon enough
[23:32] <cyberanger> Unit193: ^^
[23:34] <wrst> yeah cyberanger i hate interviews
[23:35] <wrst> especially when they ask you those if you could smell the color purple what would it smell like questions
[23:35] <Unit193> That's dumb
[23:35] <wrst> i had an interview at a hospital once and laughed at one of those questions with the HR person but i got moved on and interviewed with the controller
[23:37] <cyberanger> what got me is a loss prevention question, reporting on coworkers, who you've become friends with
[23:38] <cyberanger> I've never been in that position, I'm not a theif or friends of a theif (afaik))
[23:39] <cyberanger> I sorta choked there, said I think I would, but idk, never been in that situation before, repeated that a time or two trying to picture it
[23:40] <Unit193> Talk to the friend first
[23:43] <cyberanger> too late to say that (I could have said that for a coworker, the friend bit tripped me up, I can't stand theives, couldn't picture it)
[23:43] <cyberanger> I think I redeemed myself on the next one, she sorta rephrased it, how would I feel if she called the cops & sent them to jail
[23:44] <wrst> cyberanger: you might be surprised on that one actually
[23:44] <cyberanger> I said I wouldn't be happy, but my responsibility is to my actions, I didn't steal, get back to work
[23:44] <cyberanger> wrst: on which one?
[23:44] <wrst> on how you answered the first one you didn't tell them what you thought they wanted to hear, you told them how anyone would react
[23:44] <cyberanger> (different phrasing, but pretty much the point)
[23:46] <cyberanger> wrst: which is why I may be ok, but the choking on the question, repeating my answer in shock as I try to picture the idea, didn't say it was wrong per say, just felt like an ambush
[23:47] <Unit193> Shows you're not just telling them what they want to hear though, right?
[23:47] <cyberanger> she knows my background has nothing with lp in it, so I think I did fine, just sorta froze and drifted on that question
[23:47] <wrst> yeah i think you probably actually did better than you think on that one
[23:48] <cyberanger> Unit193: wrst, special forces have a similar question and responce, could you kill someone?
[23:48] <cyberanger> the answer is never yes, allways hesitate, anyone who's sure is out
[23:48] <cyberanger> anyone who hesitates & says idk is in that far
[23:48] <wrst> yeah makes sense..
[23:49] <cyberanger> and hesitates & says no, they usually have them take time to think
[23:49] <wrst> yeah no one wants to, but let someone break into my house while i'm hear and well, i have lead and no how to use it
[23:49] <Unit193> To save another person/friend? I would say yes (Knowing the other person is bad though)
[23:49] <cyberanger> say no outright I've never heard about, military after all, it'd be odd
[23:50] <cyberanger> Unit193: military special ops, they don't care about the why, either orders or defence, could you?
[23:50] <wrst> yeah would have to be an extreme measure
[23:51] <Unit193> cyberanger: I would assume if I got that far, I would :/
[23:51] <cyberanger> Unit193: so you'd fail
[23:51] <Unit193> :D
[23:52] <Unit193> cyberanger: I know how to get out! See? It worked!
[23:52] <cyberanger> you hesitate cause you know whatever the reason, it shouldn't be right, even the military shouldn't have to kill
[23:53] <cyberanger> and even if they have to, hesitate is right cause it shows you value life, you evaulate risks, and sometimes it's a crapshot, do what you do
[23:53] <Unit193> But really? I would only fully/really know when the time comes :/
[23:53] <cyberanger> anyhow, I kinda figure that question is meant as a tripup
[23:53] <wrst> yeah
[23:54] <wrst> i wouldn't sweat that question
[23:54] <cyberanger> Unit193: and even when the time comes, would you do it, and feel fine
[23:54] <cyberanger> just as this is, not only would you do it, but would you feel right about it
[23:54] <Unit193> cyberanger: I can't know unless it happens (But I would assume not "fine")
[23:55] <cyberanger> I mean, your friend is in trouble for it, not a theif, but did steal
[23:55] <cyberanger> I think it's a question meant to weigh morals, loyality & trigger a response that is hard to plan for
[23:56] <cyberanger> hard (but not impossible) to fake
[23:57] <Unit193> And then there is how you think you would do, and how you *would* do
[23:57] <wrst> no i think you did what was desirable on that one
[23:58] <wrst> yeah Unit193 i think i'm the greatest person to ever live, but... you know :)
[23:58] <Unit193> wrst: Don't worry, you're not
[23:58] <Unit193> :---D
[23:58] <cyberanger> and I didn't plan on that question, couldn't fake an answer on the spur of the moment and win (plus I'd rather be honest & fail, then lie & break my morals every day)
[23:59] <wrst> ha ha Unit193 people tell me that all the time!
[23:59] <cyberanger> wrst: which is exactly what I saw & said, to a point
[23:59] <wrst> agreed cyberanger