[00:22] <siteUser> Hello
[00:22] <siteUser> I got one question
[00:23] <siteUser> Why the unity launcher is not moveable?
[05:21] <jono> DBO, yo
[05:21] <jono> you seen https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/862996?
[05:43] <jono> hey didrocks
[05:44] <didrocks> hey jono
[05:44] <jono> didrocks, will there be another Unity release before release?
[05:44] <jono> the last release brought a pretty funky bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/862743
[05:44] <didrocks> jono: no, yesterday was the last one
[05:44] <didrocks> jono: this patch has just been cherry-picked and uploaded
[05:44] <jono> this bug makes the desktop unusable
[05:44] <jono> ahhh
[05:44] <jono> cool
[05:45] <jono> can I ask one more quick favor, could you take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/862996 and see if this affects you?
[05:45] <DBO> jono, i am so far ahead of you on this one :P
[05:45] <jono> DBO, lol
[05:45]  * jono hi-fives DBO
[05:45] <DBO> alriiiiight
[05:46] <jono> DBO, do you have the issue with the lens range thing?
[05:46] <DBO> is it me or are hi-fives becoming gay?
[05:46] <didrocks> jono: this is after logout/login, right, with latest u-m-l?
[05:46] <DBO> jono, which issue?
[05:46] <jono> didrocks, I did a full upgrade and I got that issue
[05:46] <didrocks> ah, not the filter upgrade
[05:46] <jono> didrocks, oh you mean the desktop thing?
[05:46] <htorque> good morning! bug 861745 - is this a dupe?
[05:46] <jono> oh, this affects the files and music lens
[05:46] <didrocks> not the filter *itself*
[05:47] <didrocks> jono: you mean, how clicking on the filter isn't logical
[05:47] <jono> I think the issue is in the widget
[05:47] <jono> didrocks, see the bug, I explain what I mean
[05:47] <didrocks> jono: yeah, there was a lot of churn yesterday, but I found it no logical as well
[05:47] <DBO> okay I see why its doing it
[05:47] <DBO> im not sure I can fix it though
[05:47] <DBO> this code is outside my comfort zone
[05:47] <didrocks> jono: yeah, I confirm this behavior and don't find it logical as wel
[05:48] <didrocks> DBO: I'll see with gord, I guess it's on his plate :)
[05:48] <jono> I worry because it really impacts the usability of the filter
[05:48] <jono> maybe gord can take a look and fix it
[05:48] <DBO> didrocks, is qt in the middle of an upgrade
[05:48] <jono> if you could confirm and prioritize the bug that would be cool
[05:48] <didrocks> DBO: yeah, I pushed a new Qt yesterday
[05:48] <didrocks> jono: doing
[05:48] <jono> thanks didrocks
[05:48] <didrocks> and will ping gord
[05:48] <jono> oh, and...morning!
[05:49]  * jono is such an asshole
[05:49] <didrocks> jono: good evening/night ;-)
[05:49] <jono> :-)
[05:49] <didrocks> jono: if we can cherry-pick this one today, I'll probably push it
[05:49] <didrocks> otherwise, totally qualified for an SRU
[05:49] <jono> didrocks, cool
[05:50] <DBO> who are these people in G+
[05:50] <jono> things are feeling good for me in 11.10
[05:50] <DBO> I keep gaining followers
[05:50] <jono> DBO, fans
[05:50] <DBO> no
[05:50] <didrocks> DBO: same here, I don't understand…
[05:50] <jono> they want them some Jason action
[05:50] <DBO> jono, thats just you
[05:50] <DBO> I'll send you a photo
[05:50] <DBO> but dont tell me what you do with it, okay?
[05:50] <jono> I will get it laminated, that's what
[05:50] <jono> lol
[05:50] <DBO> thanks
[05:51] <DBO> I appreciate you giving my photo a plastic condom
[05:51] <jono> DBO, btw, did you ever fix the issue with the launcher not appearing when moving the mouse slowly to the edge
[05:51] <jono> I still get that happening sometimes
[05:51] <DBO> jono, yes
[05:52] <jono> interesting
[05:52] <didrocks> this was on the list and fix released :)
[05:52] <DBO> jono, I cant make it happen anymore
[05:52] <DBO> so
[05:52] <DBO> if you can
[05:52] <didrocks> ah si
[05:52] <DBO> let me know
[05:52] <jono> sometimes the edge detect fails for me and the launcher won't appear
[05:52] <didrocks> DBO: there is one case
[05:52] <DBO> didrocks, what is that/
[05:52] <didrocks> jono: is it before you click on the launcher, or in the dash?
[05:52] <didrocks> DBO: basically, 3 bugs are the same
[05:52] <didrocks> one sec
[05:52] <jono> but then if I go to a virtual desktop with no windows and the launcher appears, it starts working ok
[05:52] <jono> didrocks, not noticed
[05:53] <jono> didrocks, it is when I want to make the launcher appear
[05:53] <DBO> maybe there is an initial state issue...
[05:53] <didrocks> bug #860805
[05:53] <jono> oh weird, if you hit the top left corner of the screen the launcher doesnt appear either
[05:53] <didrocks> bug #819721
[05:53] <DBO> jono, thats expected now
[05:53] <jono> DBO, ahh
[05:53] <DBO> jono, since the window controls go there
[05:53] <DBO> for maximized windows
[05:53] <didrocks> and there is a third one
[05:54] <DBO> jono, prepare to fight community backlash
[05:54] <DBO> set phasers to stun
[05:54] <jono> I doubt it
[05:54] <didrocks> DBO: basically, if you don't focus once the launcher/dash, you can't make any action with it
[05:54] <DBO> didrocks, i know of what yu speak, and amazingly those bugs are not actually related...
[05:54] <jono> this won't cause much of a deal
[05:54] <didrocks> DBO: njpatel confirmed that it's all the same :)
[05:54] <DBO> didrocks, I know, njpatel asked me when you asked him
[05:54] <DBO> I told him yes then
[05:54] <DBO> I was wrong
[05:55] <htorque> didrocks: third one: bugs 832150 ;-)
[05:56] <didrocks> htorque: thanks! that was the third in the pack :)
[07:18] <htorque> is the extra ubuntu icon in the top panel supposed to be there? http://img.xrmb2.net/images/145549.png
[07:32] <Saviq> htorque: it's an ongoing debate, see the last few comments in https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-2d/+bug/732016
[07:32] <htorque> Saviq: thanks
[08:11] <smspillaz> hey @ all
[08:20] <Saamm> The fix for this Bug #859885 in Unity 4.20 is not fully functional. Still having issues.
[08:28] <Saamm> bug bot not working?
[09:05] <AlanBell> anyone know when the ubuntu mono font is landing in oneiric?
[09:05] <jbicha> AlanBell: it's already landed, but it's not been decided whether it will be default mono or not
[09:07] <AlanBell> oh, OK, I just noticed terminal wasn't using it and put off doing some screenshots
[09:08] <AlanBell> ah yes, it is there :)
[09:09] <AlanBell> I have been using it in Natty for ages and I am quite used to it now
[09:09] <jbicha> I think it hurts my eyes a bit, today's my first day with it
[10:14] <Saamm> Still having issues with Bug 859885 fixed in unity 4.20
[10:16] <Saamm> Should I open a new bug?
[10:44] <Trevinho> didrocks: this is the fix for that BAMF bug I was talking to you yesterday: https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/bamf/only-show-in-unity-fix
[10:58] <didrocks> Trevinho: yeah, this is fine as an SRU, please open a bug for it
[11:23] <mardy> Kaleo: hi, can I work on any other bugs than those targeted for the 4.14 milestone? I don't feel that I can do much there...
[11:24] <Kaleo> mardy: that does not sound good :)
[11:25] <Kaleo> mardy: pick something you will have fun with
[11:27] <andyrock> what about adding an option to keep the desktop icons in the right side of the monitor?
[11:35] <mardy> Kaleo: I'll pick https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-2d/+bug/860400
[11:38] <Kaleo> mardy: oki doki
[11:40] <ilari_> hello folks. I one slight problem: I installed unity over gnome2 on ubuntu studio. I put ''compiz --replace ccp'' to run on startup, so that unity would start. But unity wont apparently load the settings from previous session when starting up: Added icons and applets wont startup. Whats the problem?
[11:54] <didrocks> ilari_: you should rather run "unity"
[11:55] <hicham> the python wrapper ?
[12:01] <didrocks> hicham: yeah, as I don't know what ubuntu studio is doing and probably net setting the right profile
[12:01] <hicham> didrocks: I wish that the gsettings backend will be better than the gconf one
[12:01] <didrocks> hicham: still base on the same profile system
[12:02] <didrocks> lunch time
[12:02] <hicham> didrocks: when the gsettings backend will be available ?
[12:02] <didrocks> hicham: it's a question for #compiz
[12:02] <didrocks> or #compiz-dev
[12:03] <hicham> didrocks: thanks
[12:03] <didrocks> yw
[12:05] <ilari_> didrocks: thanks. Ill try to run simply ''unity''.
[12:05] <hicham> didrocks: classic question, no news on upstreaming gtk menu proxy patch ?
[12:06] <didrocks> hicham: haven't I told you aready that's a question for tedg, not me?
[12:06] <didrocks> hicham: tedg is upstream, he's the one proposing the patch
[12:06] <hicham> didrocks: oh, sorry
[13:16] <Trevinho> didrocks: here you are: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bamf/+bug/863290
[13:19] <didrocks> Trevinho: thanks!
[13:33] <smoser> anyone able to confirm ?
[13:33] <smoser> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-2d/+bug/863301
[13:34] <Saamm> This bug 859885 has been fixed in unity 4.20 but problem still persists. Should I file a new bug or comment on this only?
[15:19] <jono> DBO, hey
[15:19] <jono> DBO, you know how I mentioned sometimes the launcher won't trigger, I think it happens after suspend and resume
[15:19] <jono> I just unsuspended and it won't appear for me when I use the mouse against thr left side of the screen
[15:19] <jono> I have to use the Super key to see it
[15:20] <DBO> jono, how up to date are you on compiz?
[15:20] <jono> up to date as of last night
[15:20] <jono> eight hours ago or so
[15:21] <DBO> jono, open  terminal please
[15:21] <DBO> type "xprop"
[15:22] <DBO> and click on the far left edge of your screen
[15:22] <DBO> put that shit in pastebin
[15:22] <DBO> and let me read it like a boss
[15:22] <jono> jono@forge:~$ xprop
[15:22] <jono> _NET_WM_ALLOWED_ACTIONS(ATOM) = _NET_WM_ACTION_ABOVE, _NET_WM_ACTION_BELOW
[15:22] <jono> XdndAware(ATOM) = ARC
[15:22] <jono> thats it
[15:23] <DBO> jono, same thing but wint xwininfo please
[15:24] <jono> DBO, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/699852/
[15:25] <DBO> jono, I call shinanegans
[15:25] <ali1234> i get that problem, however, i never suspend my desktop machine
[15:25] <DBO> jono, does alt-tab show up properly?
[15:25] <jono> DBO, what's the deal?
[15:26] <jono> DBO, yep
[15:26] <DBO> jono, the deal is pretty raw
[15:26] <jono> that is how I roll
[15:26] <DBO> now I need a reliable way to reproduce the issue
[15:26] <jono> I am raw
[15:26] <jono> raw bacon
[15:26] <DBO> jono, you're likely to give people worms?
[15:26] <jono> lol
[15:27] <jono> DBO, anything else I can do?
[15:27] <jono> any idea what the cause is?
[15:27] <DBO> uhhhhhm... yeah hold on
[15:27] <DBO> dont do anything that might fix this state for you
[15:27] <jono> ok
[15:28] <om26er> smspillaz, Hi again :-O 'show desktop' is almost fixed except the launcher does not appear when the desktop is actually shown. thoughts?
[15:33] <DBO> jono, just so you know, I am listening to Vanilla Ice, I think this should assure you that I care about this bug
[15:33] <DBO> jono, could I convince you to build a custom unity?
[15:33] <jono> DBO, hah!
[15:33] <jono> how do I build it?
[15:34] <jono> and can I get rid of it afterwards?
[15:34] <DBO> you've never done it?
[15:34] <jono> nope
[15:34] <jono> not Unity
[15:34] <DBO> I know this is just a silly thing to call you
[15:34] <DBO> but you're a virgin
[15:34] <DBO> Im not sure now is the time to introduce you to this then :/
[15:34] <jono> indeed
[15:34] <jono> be gentle
[15:34] <DBO> jono, okay this will probably fuck up your system
[15:34] <DBO> so save your work
[15:35] <jono> ok
[15:35] <DBO> (you might have to reboot)
[15:35] <jono> thats a good start
[15:35] <DBO> now open d-feet
[15:35] <jono> no worries
[15:35]  * jono installs d-feet
[15:35] <didrocks> time to poke the HideMachine!
[15:35] <DBO> ಠ_ಠ
[15:35] <jono> btw, I just noticed my launcher works fine now
[15:35] <jono> I didnt do anything
[15:35] <jono> it sjust started working
[15:35] <DBO> didrocks, yeah but I get a crash every time I hit the introspect method
[15:35] <DBO> does it work for you?
[15:36] <didrocks> DBO: oh? 2 weeks before, it was still fine
[15:36] <didrocks> DBO: let me check
[15:36] <DBO> its always crashed for me
[15:36] <DBO> I dont know wtf I do wrong :P
[15:36] <jono> DBO, still load d-feet?
[15:36] <didrocks> DBO: see how to get the bug fixed? tell people to install d-feet :)
[15:36] <DBO> what are you doing?
[15:36] <DBO> jono, not unless you can trigger the issue again
[15:36]  * didrocks adds d-feet as an unity dep :)
[15:36] <jono> DBO, it seems to be back to normal now
[15:37] <DBO> didrocks, you just go to the introspect method and pass "Launcher" right?
[15:37] <didrocks> DBO: yep, let me retry now
[15:38] <jono> ok I will install these new updates and reboot
[15:38] <didrocks> wtf?
[15:38] <didrocks> who broke it?
[15:38] <jono> DBO, will unsuspend when I am done and see if I get the same issue
[15:39] <didrocks> ok, that's bad, our debugger is away…
[15:39]  * DBO puts on some Bob Segar
[15:39] <didrocks> :)
[15:40] <magcius> Is there a reason bamf uses the non-standard "_NET_WM_DESKTOP_FILE"?
[15:40] <didrocks> DBO: btw, if you can review my branch for monday, not sure if it will be a 0 day SRU or final
[15:40] <DBO> ah right
[15:40] <didrocks> because you started listing issue with 1. that I show it's not
[15:40] <om26er> just when i thought the NEW queue was down to a very low number, didrocks synced it with downstream and now its scary 399 NEW :-@
[15:41] <didrocks> never got a 2. :)
[15:41] <DBO> didrocks, approved with comment
[15:41] <DBO> 2) is the comment
[15:41] <didrocks> om26er: yeah, I was thinking that I really needed to launch it again
[15:41] <didrocks> om26er: wait, it's syncing status
[15:41] <didrocks> om26er: hopefully, you will get some confirms for free :)
[15:41] <DBO> om26er, enjoy
[15:42] <didrocks> DBO: looking, thanks!
[15:42] <om26er> didrocks, yeah, alot are getting confirmed on sync thanks to launchpad's autoconfirm feature and its really helpful (sarcasm)
[15:43] <didrocks> om26er: oh, you love it as well I see :-)
[15:43] <om26er> DBO, got a bug for you bug 832150 you might want to look at a later date ;)
[15:44] <om26er> totally in love with the feature :p
[15:44] <didrocks> ;)
[15:45] <didrocks> DBO: thanks! wasn't sure with all this style change which one was the latest with C++11 recommendation ;)
[15:45] <didrocks> DBO: renaming and pushing
[15:48] <om26er> smspillaz, unping my last message seems didrocks already took care of it :-)
[15:48] <ali1234> fwiw i sometimes get this under natty to, but only since some fairly recent update
[15:48] <om26er> bug 863129
[15:49] <om26er> ali1234, i believe it not to be related with the above bug though
[15:49] <ali1234> different bug?
[15:50] <ali1234> the circumstances are pretty similar too, under natty it happens when firefox is maximized (sometimes)
[15:51] <ali1234> could be related to the bug where it thinks maximized windows are on a different desktop? (and thus clicking the icon on the launcher doesn't reveal them)
[15:52] <ali1234> i suppose that wouldn't stop it from unhiding
[16:22] <jono> quick q
[16:22] <jono> how can I get https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/863434 to also affect Ayatana Design?
[16:22] <jono> when I use Also Affects I don't see it as an option
[16:26] <hicham> jono : done
[16:27] <hicham> though it seems a little bit confusing
[16:27] <jono> thanks hicham
[16:27] <hicham> in "Also Affects" you just change the affected project
[16:28] <hicham> I hope unity's patches will be upstreamed at some point
[16:29] <hicham> can I file a bug about that ?
[16:29] <hicham> "Please upstream the patches needed for complete unity functionality" ?
[16:30] <jono> hicham, odd, I tried that
[16:59] <nhaines> Couple quick questions.  I know the last Unity update fixed where the Alt-Tab switch wasn't displaying the Desktop icon.  My Desktop icon has always had and still does) a white bar across the top.  Is this the intended look?
[17:00] <nhaines> In addition, I know several mockups have said the background for the workspace switcher and trash should be the tinted dash color, but it's still light and dark grey for me.
[17:43] <macer1> Hello
[17:43] <macer1> anyone here :)?
[17:43] <macer1> from ayatana team
[17:55] <kenvandine> macer1, hey, just ask your question and if anyone can answer it, they will
[17:55] <macer1> I hate ugly compressed wallpapers on CD
[17:55] <jono> thanks for fixing that Gwibber bug kenvandine
[17:55] <macer1> can you do a normal quality walppapers/icons package?
[17:55] <jono> it is rocking now :-)
[17:56] <kenvandine> jono, thanks for finding that!
[17:56] <jono> :-)
[17:56] <kenvandine> macer1, not if we want to include them on the CD, unfortunately
[17:56] <kenvandine> space is so limited
[17:56] <macer1> every ubuntu is 700Mb so you need to remove and remove
[17:56] <macer1> why not make it DVD?
[17:56] <macer1> like osx lion
[17:56] <htorque> hm, can anyone confirm bug 855831? didrocks set it to confirmed but i think he lied. :P
[17:56] <macer1> like windows 8
[17:56] <macer1> and 7
[17:56] <kenvandine> good discipline
[17:57] <kenvandine> nice to have a limit to keep it from getting insane
[17:57] <macer1> make it 1GB
[17:57] <kenvandine> however, it would be nice if there was a way for users to download the uncompressed wallpapers
[17:57] <kenvandine> every cycle it gets harder and harder to stay under 700M
[17:57] <macer1> it needs to stop
[17:57] <macer1> pleaseee :(
[17:57] <kenvandine> so who knows, maybe someday we'll change the limit
[17:58] <macer1> i hope 12.04 will be on dvd
[17:58] <macer1> bug 863311
[18:00] <macer1> anotehr idea
[18:00] <macer1> use better compression
[18:01] <macer1> like fedora I think
[18:01] <kenvandine> we try, each image is tweaked differently to make them look as good as possible in the size we have
[18:01] <jbicha> macer1: if you want the originals try bug 829213 comment 8
[18:01] <kenvandine> preventing as much banding as possible, etc
[18:02] <nhaines> macer1: you think?  What type of compression are Fedora using and what type of compression are Ubuntu using and how do those two methods compare when used on the stalking ocelot wallpaper?
[18:02] <macer1> I mean compression of all iso
[18:02] <kenvandine> hey jbicha, i reverted your dh_python2 change in the gwibber packaging... it broke the override loading we do to set API keys...
[18:02] <macer1> If I remember correctly fedora use some better compression
[18:02] <kenvandine> jbicha, for next cycle i'll investigate why that broke so we can update the packaging
[18:02] <nhaines> macer1: have you tested this or are you relying on a hunch?
[18:03] <jbicha> kenvandine: yes, thanks, we don't want to break stuff at this point
[18:03] <kenvandine> but reverting it for now was the quickest way to reliably fix it
[18:03] <macer1> what compression is using ubuntu isos now?
[18:03] <macer1> fedora is using xz
[18:03] <jbicha> macer1: Fedora doesn't ship LibreOffice last I remember
[18:04] <jbicha> I believe we use bz2 by default but xz is available on opt-in basis, I'm sure that will get discussed at next UDS
[18:05] <macer1> I can't go to UDS, unfortunately
[18:05] <macer1> :/
[18:05] <kenvandine> macer1, you can always participate remotely
[18:06] <nhaines> macer1: you don't need to fly there.  You can write a blueprint beforehand or participate remotely.
[18:06] <kenvandine> we try very hard to enable everyone to participate
[18:06] <macer1> how I can participate remotely?
[18:07] <macer1> btw. can 12.10 UDS be in Poland :D?
[18:07] <macer1> that will be awesome :D
[18:08] <kenvandine> macer1, look at uds.ubuntu.com
[18:08] <kenvandine> there is info there somewhere...
[18:09] <kenvandine> when the schedules are posted, you can view the blueprints, etherpads, irc and audio there
[18:09] <kenvandine> you can listen in live and each room has irc channels
[18:10] <macer1> cool
[18:10] <kenvandine> if you have something to say, just say it on irc and folks in the room will be able to see it
[18:11] <jbicha> and each physical room has a projector with the irc channel posted so everyone can see the remote feedback
[18:11] <macer1> What is timezone on UDS?
[18:12] <macer1> GMT?
[18:14] <nhaines> UTC
[18:15] <macer1> ok
[18:15] <macer1> I need to go, bye and thanks :D
[18:17] <nhaines> macer1: have a good evening!  :D
[18:18] <macer1> thx :D
[18:20] <macer1> I will be back :D
[18:20] <nhaines> macer1: great.  :)
[19:10] <htorque> smspillaz: hello! out of curiosity i restarted unity within a running session with the -v option and got this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/700012/
[19:10] <htorque> smspillaz: does this look ok? 1. the "stacks are out of sync" msg, 2. the "pending configure notifies" shows up a couple of hundred times, 3. and the "this should never happen" warnings.
[19:14] <Saamm> The fix for this bug is not working fully in unity. Please look into it. Bug 859885
[20:11] <jono> would someone mind setting https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/811401 to confirmed?
[20:11] <jono> it just happened to me
[21:10] <andyrock> http://www.thisisthecountdown.com/ O.o?
[21:40] <hicham> hi tedg
[21:40] <tedg> Howdy hicham
[21:42] <hicham> tedg : any news on upstream gtk menu proxy patch ?
[21:42] <nhaines> tedg: so this whole Unity thing seems to be working out.  ;)
[21:43] <hicham> tedg : *upstreaming
[21:43] <tedg> hicham, I haven't tried recently.  Though I'll probably ask about it at the GNOME Summit next weekend.
[21:43] <tedg> If nothing else, I'd prefer to get it cleaner.
[21:44] <tedg> Along with scrollbars
[21:44] <tedg> nhaines, Heh, we're trying! :-)
[21:46] <nhaines> tedg: hey, do your workspace switcher and trash can launcher icons have a transparent background or are they gray?
[21:47] <nhaines> (This would be for oneiric)
[21:50] <tedg> nhaines, They changed like 3 or 4 times throughout the release, so I'm not sure.
[21:50] <tedg> nhaines, I think they're transparent...
[21:51] <tedg> Wait, I think I'm wrong.
[21:51] <tedg> DBO, ^
[21:51] <nhaines> tedg: I've literally never seen them go transparent on my system.  Which makes me sad because the mockups look pretty beautiful.  :)
[21:51] <DBO> tedg, join us on G+
[21:52] <tedg> DBO, Is that on Freenode?
[21:52] <tedg> ;-)
[21:52] <tedg> DBO, Do you need me?  I have to go in a few, so I don't want to set up something new if I'm not needed.
[21:52] <DBO> :P
[21:52] <DBO> no
[22:14] <Teester> Hi. I've been working on a lens using Python for Unity in Oneiric.  Up until about a week ago, it was working fine, but recently it has stopped working. Anyone know if anything in the API has been changed that I've missed?