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[07:31] <tar-gz> hi!
[07:32] <tar-gz> If i install lubutu 11.10 beta, can i upgrad this to stable? Sefa it's?
[07:32] <tar-gz> Safe*
[07:33] <bioterror> what?
[07:33] <tar-gz> look
[07:34] <tar-gz> i want install lubuntu 11.10 beta
[07:34] <bioterror> then you have to install it
[07:34] <tar-gz> but i don't know: Can i upgrade beta to stable
[07:35] <jmarsden> bioterror: I think he is asking if he can later upgrade to 11.10 Oneiric when it comes out later.
[07:35] <bioterror> jmarsden, I have heard you should upgrade your beta release like every day
[07:35] <bioterror> as it lives all the time
[07:36] <jmarsden> Well, sure, but the question being asked is, officially, it is supported and guaranteed safe to upgrade from a beta to the official release
[07:36] <bioterror> and when 13.10.2011 hits, and you do dist-upgrade, you should have the "stable"
[07:36] <tar-gz> jmarsden: exactly!
[07:36] <jmarsden> tar-gz: I'm not sure what the official policy is, but doing that upgrade is very likely to work.
[07:36] <bioterror> it works
[07:37] <bioterror> you dont need to reinstall anything as you will get the "packages" from the repo
[07:38] <tar-gz> jmarsden: safe is it?
[07:38] <bioterror> it is safe
[07:38] <bioterror> I have done it since 6.something
[07:38] <jmarsden> tar-gz: It is probably safe.  There is no 100% guarantee.
[07:39] <bioterror> if it's safe, you can always come to my door and complain face to face :D
[07:39] <bioterror> if it's not safe
[07:39] <jmarsden> bioterror: But you have not done it for 11.10 yet... so you cannot make a promise :)
[07:39] <bioterror> jmarsden, I bet it wont be different from previous ones
[07:39] <jmarsden> I agree.
[07:40] <jmarsden> It is *probably* safe.
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[12:21] <morko> does lubuntu lucid have support till 2013 too?
[12:23] <freedom07> prolly does marko, it's still ubuntu
[12:26] <morko> hmm yeah but it has some different packages or does it?
[12:26] <freedom07> i don't think so
[12:26] <freedom07> you can install ubuntu and make it lubuntu
[12:27] <freedom07> i tried lubuntu 11.10 beta 2 today....... installer crashed
[12:28] <freedom07> was trying to setup multiboot system, not sure what it didnt like
[12:28] <freedom07> went back to 11.04
[12:28] <JohnDoe_71Rus> now 10.04 has problem with pcmanfm 0.9.8 and 0.9.9 from lxde ppa. think better update distrib
[12:29] <morko> well i got an answer from the wiki
[12:29] <freedom07> yer morko ?
[12:29] <morko> Lubuntu 10.04 was not intended to be a long-term support release, unlike Ubuntu 10.04 Lucid Lynx, and was only going to be supported for 18 months. However, since the infrastructure of Ubuntu 10.10 Maverick Meerkat (and thus Lubuntu 10.10) dropped support for i586 processors, including VIA C3, AMD K6, and AMD Geode/National Semiconductor CPUs, the release of Lubuntu 10.10 prompted the community to extend support until April 2013 for Lubunt
[12:29] <morko> u 10.04, as if it were a long term support version.
[12:29] <morko> sorry for paste
[12:30] <freedom07> good to know
[12:30] <freedom07> not that I have a system that far behind
[12:31] <morko> heh
[12:31] <morko> me neither but im looking distribution that i dont have to take care of all the time
[12:31] <freedom07> i installed a webserver at work with lubuntu 11.04....... just cos it has a light gui
[12:33] <morko> can you think of some reasons i should go for the newer release instead of that lts version? have you had any problems with it?
[12:34] <morko> i just need basic office stuff and image manipulation etc..
[12:34] <morko> and easy to manage
[12:35] <freedom07> only that 11.10 is the first official lubuntu
[12:36] <freedom07> but i have been recently thinkin about my upgrade path
[12:37] <freedom07> I'm thinking I should wait 2-3 months after the release of each new official version
[12:37] <JohnDoe_71Rus> morko: my experience. pcmanfm 0.9.7(lubuntu 10.04 default) close by right mouse click file or folder. 0.9.8/0.9.9 don't start as file browser. need change pcmanfm to other manager to rork
[12:37] <JohnDoe_71Rus> * to work
[12:37] <freedom07> I create a seperate /home partition and do a clean install of  /
[12:38] <morko> JohnDoe_71Rus, thanks for the info!
[12:39]  * freedom07 passes, rum n coke around while he's on it
[12:39] <morko> hehe
[12:41] <freedom07> you not like upgrading morko ?
[12:42] <morko> freedom07, i usually change some stuff in /etc too and then the upgrading process is not so simple.. and also this is not for my computer. i used ubuntu natty for some while in my main computer but then i went back using arch linux
[12:44] <morko> i use the home directory for just user specific config files
[12:44] <morko> and keep all my files in another partition
[12:44] <freedom07> I used to use redhat > fedora > debian > ubuntu till stupid new menu crap > lubuntu
[12:45] <morko> yea i didnt like unity too
[12:45] <morko> but gnome3 is good for me
[12:46] <freedom07> oh I didn 6 -9 months of xubuntu
[12:46] <morko> ive just used openbox till now
[12:46] <freedom07> nice
[12:46] <m6locks> lubuntu boots like in seconds
[12:46] <freedom07> I cbf with that
[12:46] <freedom07> yep
[12:47] <freedom07> even on my netbook
[12:47] <m6locks> yes, was talking about my eee pc 701
[12:47] <freedom07> lol
[12:47] <freedom07> cool
[12:48] <freedom07> Lubuntu is green computing
[12:48] <m6locks> it's a shame though that the setup is so large, would manage with a smaller one too, like under 2gigs of hard drive
[12:48] <morko> green computing?
[12:48] <freedom07> low cpu and ram requirements, lower power usage
[12:49] <morko> but does that matter if youve set your cpu to tick at full speed?
[12:50] <morko> with no scaling
[12:50] <freedom07> it still betting than running a pentium D
[12:51] <morko> oh yeah you mean like that
[12:51] <morko> sure
[12:51] <morko> i got this computer im gonna install lubuntu to for 5 euros :P
[12:51] <m6locks> I need one too
[12:52] <freedom07> I got this E6300 2Gb ram, 500Gb hdd for nothing
[12:52] <morko> come and get one
[12:52] <morko> i have 2 extra at the closet :P
[12:52] <freedom07> and acer one 1.5Gb ram, 320Gb for the cost of a new LCD ($60AUD)
[12:52] <morko> nice
[12:53] <freedom07> but I work in a computer shop
[12:53] <freedom07> dont like for paying for PC parts
[12:53] <freedom07> could have faster.......... but just not needed
[12:54] <freedom07> rhytmbox and chromium are my main apps
[12:55] <morko> yea its nice to recycle .. im just afraid that the power will blow up and burn my house
[12:55] <morko> i dont know how common that is
[12:55] <freedom07> I dont use anything too old
[12:55] <morko> that old computer starts fire
[12:56] <freedom07> always getting in plenty of of hardly used Power supply's
[12:56] <morko> hmm yeah
[12:56] <morko> but if the power isnt making any weird noises its fine ? or not?
[12:56] <morko> ive had those ones that make the squeeking sound
[12:57] <freedom07> i don't use things with funny sounds
[12:57] <freedom07> fans wear out in psu's
[12:57] <morko> yeah
[12:58] <morko> arent they supposed to come with somekind of protection for overheating?
[12:58] <freedom07> welll..... prolly
[12:58] <freedom07> most seem to shutdown when they run too hot
[12:59] <freedom07> you can normally feel the heat on the back of the computer before that happens though
[12:59] <morko> maybe i should change the bearings in the fan xD
[12:59] <freedom07> you could change the fan
[13:00] <freedom07> and inspect inside to see if any bad capacitors
[13:00] <morko> and get electrocuted :P
[13:01] <freedom07> if you are silly about it yer....... but i've done it when spare PSU's weren't free
[13:02] <morko> yea
[13:02] <morko> well i think i just hope that if it breaks it wont start a fire
[13:02] <freedom07> but...... I have been electrocuted before..... not from a fan change though
[13:03] <morko> and then i have 2 similar computers i can get parts from
[13:03] <freedom07> that's a good plan
[13:03] <freedom07> what computer spec we talkin bout here?
[13:04] <morko> its some dell computer with pentium 4 2.8ghz and 1gb ram
[13:04] <morko> dell optilex or something
[13:05] <freedom07> ahhh
[13:06] <morko> its quite good i think but i only have 40gb hd for it
[13:06] <freedom07> bugger
[13:07] <freedom07> yeah data storage for mp3 is my main requirement
[13:07] <freedom07> love me tunes
[13:09] <morko> should just setup some network share and problem would be solved
[13:09] <freedom07> or get a cheap drive on ebay?
[13:10] <morko> used?
[13:10] <freedom07> sure
[13:10] <morko> i dont know if i should buy used drive
[13:12] <morko> hard drive and hdd i havent bought used
[13:12] <morko> well bundled with those computers i did but..
[13:13] <freedom07> fair enough
[13:13] <freedom07> I guess I'm not really worried about hardware....... I just test and fix/replace when needed
[13:15] <morko> you make lot of backups?
[13:15] <freedom07> nah
[13:16] <freedom07> rsync desktop to netbook
[13:19] <morko> btw did you get electrocuted from a computer or?
[13:19] <freedom07> lol yes
[13:20] <freedom07> AT PSU switch
[13:20] <freedom07> was my own silly fault
[13:20] <freedom07> it wasn't insulated
[13:20] <freedom07> through me back........ and all the techs in workshop looking at me with lights/power off
[13:20] <freedom07> lol
[13:21] <morko> huh
[13:22] <freedom07> dont worry
[13:22] <freedom07> blacked me out for a split second but all ok
[13:23] <freedom07> any way off too bed
[13:23] <morko> bye
[13:23] <freedom07> gota work tomorrow for a few hours
[13:23] <freedom07> nice to chat
[13:23] <freedom07> later
[17:46] <mkfort> Hi, I'm running Lucid LTS. What I'm trying to do is run a really lightweight desktop using basically nothing but xmonad and lxsession. I've got it working by creating a new Xsession profile. The only thing that I'd really love to get working is user switching via lxsession-logout. I am running gdm. Any ideas? Thanks
[18:21] <mkfort> looking at the source, it looks like my version at least this is implemented for KDM but not GDM?
[18:26] <mkfort> my version is 0.4.3-0ubuntu1, is there a ppa I should try?
[18:28] <MichealH> You could try LXDM, ALthough I don't fully know if it supports it, its worth a try :)
[18:30] <MichealH> (Also, LXDM was designed for LXDE (They thing Lubuntu uses) and you could probably cut a few MB from your ram by using LXDM)
[18:33] <mkfort> I think the problem is my package is out of date
[18:33] <mkfort> it's supported on 0.4.5 but not 0.4.3
[18:35] <mkfort> ram is not a problem, xmonad is pretty light, I just want to make it easy to switch users if my gf wants to use this machine
[18:35] <mkfort> and I guess there's not any backports or anything, so I guess my choices are use kdm, or upgrade my ubuntu
[18:40] <mkfort> I'll just download the latest upstream and see if that compiles/works
[18:50] <mkfort> got it working, yay!
[19:31] <KM0201> did something happen during an upgrade?
[19:32] <KM0201> i just booted my laptop, and it's completely changed
[20:11] <MichealH> mkfort, Glad you got it working
[20:12] <mkfort> MichealH: got to look at a little code to figure it out
[20:12] <MichealH> Okay
[20:12] <mkfort> best documentation there is
[20:15] <KM0201> what was wrong/
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[23:29] <oohbantoo3> i tried using the command " sudo gedit /etc/default/grub " but it says " sudo: gedit: command not found "
[23:44] <phillw> oohbantoo3: are you using lubntu?
[23:44] <oohbantoo3> ya i got it working now, i hav to use sudo leafpad instead of gedit
[23:45] <oohbantoo3> i'll have to note that on my linux-commands.odt file
[23:46] <phillw> oohbantoo3: for a start, never use sudo leafpad.... for ANY app that has a GUI always use gksudo, else you can really mess things up.
[23:46] <oohbantoo3> oh, how so?
[23:47] <oohbantoo3> i was opening a file tho not using gui?
[23:48] <phillw> oohbantoo3: you were using a GUI app to edit it. That is different to, say, sudo nano /etc/default/gru
[23:48] <phillw> oohbantoo3: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo
[23:50] <oohbantoo3> oic
[23:53] <oohbantoo3> phillw, let say I set the default O.S to load and I set the grub to zero, so it doesnt show the grub screen, if i want to load another os and see the grub screen what button do i press
[23:54] <oohbantoo3> GRUB_DEFAULT=4
[23:54] <oohbantoo3> #GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0
[23:54] <oohbantoo3> GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET=true
[23:54] <oohbantoo3> GRUB_TIMEOUT=10
[23:54] <oohbantoo3> GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR=`lsb_release -i -s 2> /dev/null || echo Debian`
[23:54] <oohbantoo3> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash"
[23:54] <oohbantoo3> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=""
[23:55] <oohbantoo3> I set a default O.S  and I want the grub to not show but just load the default OS, but whenever I want to load a different OS what do i need to do to see the grub screen?
[23:56] <phillw> oohbantoo3: have a quick read of http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5 but the links at the bottom of my page will possibly be of more help to you. If DRS305 cannot help.... it is a sad day :)
[23:58] <oohbantoo3> tnx