[00:01] <len> I think the last ones screwed up a lot of things.
[00:02] <len> I just checked my history, and 6 different libcanberra packages were updated.
[00:02] <len> Guess that's why firefox and chrome are both having problems with libcanberra
[00:03] <saulotoledo> Hello! Where I find information about the news into Oneiric? Gnome3 will come?
[00:03] <len> Still not sure what part of the upgrade it was that removed kubuntu-desktop
[00:07] <graft> saulotoledo: gnome3 is in, yes, but you have to install it yourself
[00:08] <len> I'm also getting: [3:3:10055872307:ERROR:nss_util.cc(397)] Error initializing NSS without a persistent database: libsoftokn3.so: cannot open shared object file: Permission denied
[00:09] <len> from chrome
[00:09] <len> after updating
[00:10] <saulotoledo> graft: I saw Gnome 3.2 and was thinking update, but on Natty I only find ricotz repository with testing packages. If I download Oineric beta now I can install oficial packages?
[00:16] <FernandoMiguel> xserver-xorg-input-synaptics update available
[00:16] <FernandoMiguel> anyone done it yet?
[00:17] <escott_> saulotoledo, 3.2 won't be in 11.10
[00:17] <graft> saulotoledo: looks like it... gnome shell is still 3.1.92, but the rest of it is 3.2.0, looks legit
[00:18] <bjsnider> 3.2 is already in oneiric
[00:19] <saulotoledo> escott_, graft, bjsnider: thanks!! :D
[00:19] <escott_> ok nevermind... i thought 3.2 was too late for the cutoff
[00:20] <bjsnider> no, because it has been in use all along, in dev versions, with bugs being tracked. it isn't a new surprise
[00:22] <graft> it's in the repository, it's not actually in the distribution
[00:29] <len> Hmmm.  Firefox works if I run sudo firefox, but not if I run it as a regular user.
[00:31] <len> Guess thats what libsoftokn3.so: cannot open shared object file: Permission denied means.
[00:31] <len> Wonder how the upgrade googed that up
[00:34] <bjsnider> len, ls -l /usr/lib/firefox-7.0.1/libsoftokn3.so
[00:35] <len> It's set to:  -rw-rw-r-- 1 root root
[00:35] <len> What is it supposed to be?
[00:36] <bjsnider> you've got 664, i've got 644
[00:37] <bjsnider> what about ls -l /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/nss/libsoftokn3.so
[00:38] <len> I think it has something to do with SSL
[00:41] <bjsnider> len, you have bug 862780
[00:42] <jbicha> len: never run Firefox as sudo, it's a really bad idea
[00:43] <bjsnider> you probably changed some of your userland config files to root's ownership
[00:45] <len> I never do, I just did this one time to see if it would load, since the error mentioned permissions
[00:46] <len> Hope it didn't muck it up too bad.  Which files would it have  changed permissions on?
[00:47] <len> I mean ownership
[00:47] <bjsnider> well, you'd better check .cache, .config, and .local
[00:48] <jbicha> len: you can run ls -l .mozilla to see if any thing is owned by root
[00:48] <bjsnider> firefox subdirectories if they exist
[00:48] <jbicha> you can also run tests like that with a new temporary user
[00:49] <jbicha> I've not tried it so I can't walk you through it, if you use Firefox Sync you could also move our old .mozilla/firefox to .mozilla/firefox-old and just restore from the Cloud
[00:50] <len> looks like everything in .mozilla is still used by my user account.  I'm guessing nothing got changed because it crashed before it could change any ownerships. :)
[00:54] <len> Luckily Opera still works, so I'm using that.
[00:54] <jbicha> well my Firefox is working here so not sure what's broken on your end
[00:56] <len> Oh, wait a minute, FF Didn't crash when I ran Sudo Firefox, so it could have changed some ownerships.  Looks like it didn't though.   I just opened it and shut it down immediately though.
[00:58] <len> It does sound like 86270, but it don't think it applies to all gtk apps just ones accessing the Internet, because of some permissions issue with SSL
[00:59] <len> I wonder if it's some kind of policy issue rather than file-level permissions
[01:01] <Stanley00> j #ubuntu-offtopic
[01:01] <len> I upgraded on two machines.  The both get errors after upgrade, but ff and chrome still continue to launch on one, and not on the other.  I think two different issues where created with the last updates.  One has both, and the other just one.
[01:02] <len> You won't see the show-stopper issue unless you run from a command line.
[01:02] <saulotoledo> Hello! I'm trying update ubuntu to +1, I have the ISO file, but I want update without restart the system. Running "update-manager -d" I can install from Internet, but how can I add the ISO file to don't download the files again?
[01:02] <Stanley00> len: what's error? there's an update today, maybe you should check
[01:02] <Stanley00> saulotoledo: is that an alternate ISO?
[01:03] <saulotoledo> Stanley00: It's the beta2 iso file :D
[01:03] <Stanley00> saulotoledo: I mean, is it an desktop or an alternate ISO?
[01:04] <len> I'll bet you have the libcanberra-gtk-module.so error. That one doesn't stop the show. It's the "Error initializing NSS without a persistent database: libsoftokn3.so: cannot open shared object file: Permission denied
[01:04] <len> Error initializing NSS without a persistent database: libsoftokn3.so: cannot open shared object file: Permission denied" error that keeps the browsers from loading.
[01:04] <yofel_> len: downgrade libcanberra-gtk-module
[01:04] <yofel_> what you're having is bug 862553
[01:04] <saulotoledo> Stanley00: Ah ok! It's desktop
[01:05] <Stanley00> saulotoledo: you cant upgrade with an desktop image, if you want upgrade off-line, use an alternate iso instead.
[01:05] <yofel_> len: also, google-chrome dies with the same libcanberra error after the NSS errors
[01:06] <saulotoledo> Stanley00: Ok. :) I'm downloading the ISO (it's faster than the net upgrade). And how can I proceed with this iso? I can so just mounting?
[01:06] <len> OK,  I wonder why the other machine I updated also gets the libcnberra error (can see if I run from a terminal) but loads anyway, but other machine the browsers halt?
[01:07] <Stanley00> saulotoledo: but you will have to update via internet after you upgrade your system.
[01:07] <len> Machine that works only gets the libcanberra error, but not the NSS errors
[01:08] <yofel_> hm, not sure, here they die too with the symbol error, and I get no NSS errors
[01:08] <saulotoledo> Stanley00: no problem, at least I can see oneiric running already while the upgrade continues xD
[01:09] <len> NSS error are just with chrome
[01:09] <Stanley00> saulotoledo: ah, I know, here is how to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NattyUpgrades#Upgrading_Using_the_Alternate_CD.2BAC8-DVD
[01:12] <saulotoledo> Stanley00: Thanks for help!!! :D
[01:12] <Stanley00> saulotoledo: np ;)
[01:12] <saulotoledo> Stanley00: 3 minutes to download the ISO ^^
[01:13] <Stanley00> saulotoledo: WOW! amazing!!!
[01:30] <FernandoMiguel> nite
[01:56] <myk_robinson> Evening. Got a weird issue with the desktop being shifted down a bit and to the right, and a lot of windows are "smeared" all over the space behind it. Clean install, a few hours old. Any ideas?
[01:58] <myk_robinson> What command can I issue to restart the window manager?
[01:58] <robin0800> myk_robinson, yes its a bug  862743
[01:59] <myk_robinson> thank you
[02:00] <myk_robinson> I'll add my "Affects Me Too" to the list :)
[02:02] <ali1234> do the 64/32 bit beta 2 isos contain different packages?
[02:02] <ali1234> after i installed 64 bit in virtualbox yesterday, synaptic was installed by default
[02:03] <ali1234> i just installed 32 bit and it isn't
[02:04] <saulotoledo> Stanley00: Failure finding cdrom://Ubuntu 11.10 _Oneiric Ocelot_ - Beta amd64 (20110920.5)/dists/oneiric/main/binary-i386/Packages  Please use apt-cdrom....
[02:04] <saulotoledo> Stanley00: Tryed a lot of times and do not worked :(
[03:13] <jmcfarlane> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-applet/+bug/862895
[03:13] <jmcfarlane> What can I do to help troubleshoot this?
[03:15] <jmcfarlane> was hoping there'd be some sort of -d or -v switch with nm-applet, but don't see one.
[03:16] <urlin2u> jmcfarlane, so have you done any changes like in compiz?
[03:17] <jmcfarlane> urlin2u: negative.
[03:18] <jmcfarlane> urlin2u: took the recent batch of changes via apt-get, bounced the box.
[03:18] <jmcfarlane> I don't think I saw anything in /var/log/syslog that looked interesting either.
[03:18] <urlin2u> I haven't updated since last night, is that your bug report?
[03:18] <jmcfarlane> No, I did not file it.
[03:19] <jmcfarlane> it's interesting though
[03:19] <urlin2u> yeah
[03:19] <jmcfarlane> The kernel is loading my wifi nic, iwlist sees all the access points
[03:19] <jmcfarlane> nm-tool sees them too...
[03:19] <jmcfarlane> and the desktop being all jacked up (unrelated to the bug pasted above)
[03:20] <jmcfarlane> I presume that's specific to one of the compiz plugins, unrelated to the nm-applet issue I'd guess
[03:21] <urlin2u> only thing I have noticed is a screen blink last night when using the cube, seemed a bit strange.
[03:21] <robin0800> jmcfarlane, bug  862743
[03:22] <jmcfarlane> robin0800: haha, yeps.
[03:24] <jmcfarlane> The workaround in comment #12 does work for me (862743)
[03:53] <josePHPagoda> i'm considering filing a bug report, but I want to see if it's already been filed somewhere...  The desktop isn't filling the fullscreen.  It's only filling the bottom right.  Everything is working as expected, except the desktop looks very odd with the wallpaper filling only the bottom right 2/3rds of the screen, and other windows looking really weird on the top and left.
[03:55] <jmcfarlane> josePHPagoda: already reported
[03:55] <josePHPagoda> is there a workaround?
[03:55] <josePHPagoda> do you know the bug so that i can attach myself to it?
[03:55] <jmcfarlane> josePHPagoda: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/862743
[03:55] <jmcfarlane> yea, see the workaround mentioned in step #12
[03:57] <josePHPagoda> ah
[03:57] <josePHPagoda> i see that now
[03:57] <josePHPagoda> and it works
[03:57] <josePHPagoda> seems like an odd workaround..
[04:01] <jmcfarlane> josePHPagoda: out of curiosity, are you affected by: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-applet/+bug/862895
[04:01] <josePHPagoda> let me look
[04:01] <josePHPagoda> it's not showing me the list of wireless network
[04:01] <josePHPagoda> s
[04:03] <josePHPagoda> is that what you are talking about?
[04:03] <josePHPagoda> jmcfarlane: ?
[04:03] <jmcfarlane> josePHPagoda: right. vpn connections don't show up either.
[04:04] <josePHPagoda> yeah
[04:04] <josePHPagoda> so yes, i can confirm that
[04:04] <jmcfarlane> You should mark that one as affecting you, if it does.
[04:04] <josePHPagoda> logging in now
[04:05] <josePHPagoda> done
[04:07] <josePHPagoda> any other bugs you need to have someone help confirm?
[04:07] <josePHPagoda> (i'm here tonight to try to squash the bugs)
[04:08] <josePHPagoda> also, am I understanding right that there are no more screensavers?
[04:08] <josePHPagoda> holy netsplit batman!
[04:08] <josePHPagoda> is everyone ok?
[04:13] <josePHPagoda> jmcfarlane: sorry, i got lost in the net split of death
[04:14] <josePHPagoda> are you still around?
[04:17] <josePHPagoda> well, i'm out for tonight
[04:18] <atari2600a> hey
[04:18] <atari2600a> so
[04:18] <atari2600a> sometime today my desktop was offset
[04:18] <atari2600a> & it in the void left is a buffer that doesn't refresh soy you get an effect like Windows XP just crashed
[04:19] <atari2600a> running nvidia-current
[04:19] <atari2600a> restart didn't help, restart session didn't help, & around the same time my nautilus theme went to shit too
[04:19] <robin0800> atari2600a,  bug  862743
[04:19] <atari2600a> but a little cleaning up in .gconf & I've got that fixed
[04:20] <atari2600a> bah, must not have hit google's spiders yet :P
[04:20] <jmcfarlane> atari2600a: gconf changes resulted in what being fixed?
[04:21] <atari2600a> the nautilus theme
[04:22] <atari2600a> tried the pkill workaround someone suggested but even after launching another nautilus instance I'm not getting my desktop icons back D:
[04:23] <atari2600a> bah, it's this new unity command launcher
[04:23] <atari2600a> hey, is there a way to launch a command from the shell OUT of the shell?  I kinda haven't figured that out yet
[04:23] <atari2600a> (surprisingly)
[04:24] <atari2600a> I mean, I've been using Ubuntu for 5 years AND done a little gentoo :P
[04:24] <jmcfarlane> atari2600a: I don't understand the question, can you say again?
[04:25] <atari2600a> on windows IIRC the command is 'run', syntax run [command] & it'll start it as a background process
[04:25] <jmcfarlane> alt+f2
[04:25] <atari2600a> how is that done in a UNIX-like system
[04:25] <atari2600a> ALT-F2 ISN'T WORKING I JUST SAID
[04:25] <atari2600a> D:
[04:26] <atari2600a> it's like unity says 'run command', you input the string & it's all k bye
[04:26] <jmcfarlane> Regardless, that's how it's done.  This is the case with or without unity.
[04:27] <atari2600a> I'm sure it has been done before the invention of the GUI
[04:28] <jmcfarlane> if you just want to run a process in the background, put & after it.
[04:29] <atari2600a> someone on #sh just suggested but the shell still hosts, hold on
[04:29] <tuukkah_> hi all! i installed the beta2 but it hangs during boot after starting cups. any ideas how to debug the problem?
[04:30] <atari2600a> tuukkah_, happened to me when installing, try ctrl-alt-F1, login, pkill cups
[04:30] <jmcfarlane> atari2600a: you an also use nohup
[04:30] <jmcfarlane> nohup some-program &
[04:31] <atari2600a> awesome
[04:31] <atari2600a> got it now
[04:31] <atari2600a> though in retrospect I should have just restarted the session, but I'd still get the offset probably
[04:31] <tuukkah_> atari2600a, the login processes aren't running here at that point :-(
[04:32] <atari2600a> tuukkah_, if you have services starting you should be able to alt-f1 into a login prompt
[04:32] <atari2600a> anyways I'm leaving
[04:34] <tuukkah_> i apt-get removed cups for testing, and it's still hanging. now the last message is * Stopping enable remaining boot-time encrypted block devices [OK]
[04:36] <tuukkah_> probably unrelated error messages i see: Bad LUN (0:2) Bad target numer (1:0)
[04:37] <tuukkah_> could be related: udevd[103]: inotify_add_watch(6, /dev/dm-1, 10) failed: No such file or directory
[04:40] <tuukkah_> in a rescue shell, i can see that the files /dev/dm-{1,2,3,4,5,6,7} exist though
[04:52] <cwillu_at_work> tuukkah_, long shot, but what fs type?
[04:56] <ActionParsnip> Is everyone's wallpaper drawing ok today?
[04:57] <jmcfarlane> :/
[04:57] <ActionParsnip> Mine seems to like keeping the minimized applications drawn onscreen but blurry. When the are restored they become sharp. Like a ghost app
[04:58] <jmcfarlane> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/862743
[04:58] <magn3ts> lol "system problem detected" about every 10 seconds
[04:59] <jmcfarlane> magn3ts: if you're affted by this please mark it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/862743
[04:59] <magn3ts> jmcfarlane, sorry, not seeing that at the moment,
[04:59] <ActionParsnip> Damn thats fast :)
[04:59] <magn3ts> plus I'm in a VM.
[05:00] <tuukkah_> cwillu_at_work, root is /dev/dm-6 with ext4. /dev/dm-1 has the partition table
[05:00] <cwillu_at_work> k, no idea then
[05:00] <jmcfarlane> magn3ts: sorry, was intended for ActionParsnip
[05:01] <tuukkah_> the system uses fakeraid, is that still a source of problems?
[05:01] <jmcfarlane> ActionParsnip: are you affected by this one too: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/862895
[05:02] <graft> hey, anyone know how to get nautilus to stop showing the desktop and drawing the wallpaper?
[05:02] <graft> i hate having file icons barfing all over my pristine backgrounds
[05:02] <magn3ts> graft, I believe there is an option in gconf-editor
[05:02] <graft> magn3ts: that's what I believed, but then experience disabused me
[05:02] <graft> magn3ts: there is such an option, but it doesn't do diddly
[05:02] <ActionParsnip> jmcfarlane: I never touch network manager once I have my wireless setup, so no idea
[05:03] <magn3ts> hehe good old nautilus
[05:03] <magn3ts> basically my favorite piece of software ever
[05:03] <ActionParsnip> pcmanfm does pretty much the smae thing, justlighter
[05:03] <tuukkah_> graft, could try to start nautilus --no-desktop
[05:03] <graft> wth? now my search bar is appearing behind my applications... woe is me
[05:05] <graft> tuukkah_: that's nice, but it doesn't help me launch it from the launcher that way...
[05:07] <graft> these overlay scrollbars are a nightmare
[05:07] <ActionParsnip> graft: turn them off and use normal bars then....
[05:07] <graft> ActionParsnip: you mean by removing the package, or is there a better way?
[05:08] <ActionParsnip> graft: there are guides online
[05:08] <graft> ActionParsnip: yeah... i'm getting really annoyed by the lack of basic configuration options
[05:08] <ActionParsnip> graft: http://www.webupd8.org/2011/04/how-to-disable-overlay-scrollbars-in.html
[05:09] <ActionParsnip> graft: Ubuntu has tonnes of howto guides, dead easy to find. A simple websearch brings up THOUSANDS of hits...
[05:14] <magn3ts> graft: gnome-tweak-tool
[05:14] <magn3ts> will let you turn off "Have file manager handle the desktop"
[05:16] <graft> ActionParsnip: i'm familiar with that solution, i just think it's terrible
[05:17] <ActionParsnip> graft: I guess
[05:19] <graft> magn3ts: cool, that worked, thanks
[05:30] <ActionParsnip> anyone ever seen this: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/484908/
[05:31] <ActionParsnip> just got that from lsb_release -a      weird huh
[05:31] <ActionParsnip> from a user
[05:40] <ActionParsnip> self compiled kernel, thats why
[05:48] <tuukkah_> ActionParsnip, doesn't that info come from the file /etc/lsb-release?
[05:52] <ActionParsnip> tuukkah_: lsb_release -a
[05:52] <ActionParsnip> interesting stuff
[05:56] <hotbabe98> heyy
[05:57] <hotbabe98> am16 f
[05:57] <IdleOne> you are in the wrong channel for that
[05:57] <IdleOne> this is not AOL
[05:59] <tuukkah_> ActionParsnip, i mean lsb_release -a gets the info from the file /etc/lsb-release
[06:00]  * ActionParsnip remembers the AOL days
[06:00] <ActionParsnip> tuukkah_: makes sense
[06:00]  * ActionParsnip does a Connie voice "You have email"
[06:01] <Nattgew> my laptop's touchpad was disabled after I upgraded to Oneiric... what kind of bug should I file for that?
[06:02] <ActionParsnip> Nattgew: did you try unloading, then reloading the driver module?
[06:03] <ActionParsnip> Nattgew: do you have a shortcut or switch to disable / enable the touchpad?
[06:03] <Nattgew> ActionParsnip: I had to install gpointing-device-settings, and uncheck the "disabled" box
[06:04] <Nattgew> so the bug is that it got disabled...
[06:05] <ActionParsnip> Nattgew: what module is the tochpad using
[06:06] <ActionParsnip> Nattgew: can you run:  sudo apt-get install pastebinit; lsmod | pastebinit      what is the generated URL please
[06:08] <Nattgew> http://paste.ubuntu.com/699514/
[06:08] <ActionParsnip> Nattgew: ok try:  sudo modprobe -r psmouse; sleep 2; sudo modprobe psmouse
[06:10] <Nattgew> ActionParsnip: the touchpad is working, it's just that is got disabled during the upgrade
[06:10] <ActionParsnip> Nattgew: oh I thought it wasn't working NOW
[06:12] <Nattgew> ActionParsnip: no, sorry... just asking how I should report it getting disabled
[06:12] <ActionParsnip> Nattgew: the module is a kernel module, so my guess would be:  ubuntu-bug linux-image-generic
[06:13] <Nattgew> ActionParsnip: thanks
[06:20] <ActionParsnip> np :)
[06:24] <farciarz84> hi, my compiz just hangs. Windows bell disappeard how to restore everything from console?
[06:24] <farciarz84> I mean the windows decoration with ability to minimize, close and so on
[06:24] <urlin2u> farciarz84, have you modified it?
[06:25] <farciarz84> no
[06:25] <farciarz84> I tried to run unity-windows-decorator without results
[06:26] <urlin2u> farciarz84, you can run unity --reset to set it staock
[06:26] <urlin2u> stock
[06:27] <farciarz84> nothing, compiz (expo) - Warn: failed to bind image to texture
[06:28] <farciarz84> GLib-WARNING **: In call to g_spawn_sync(), exit status of a child process was requested but SIGCHLD action was set to SIG_IGN and ECHILD was received by waitpid(), so exit status can't be returned. This is a bug in the program calling g_spawn_sync(); either don't request the exit status, or don't set the SIGCHLD action.
[06:29] <ActionParsnip> farciarz84: are you using an nvidia gpu?
[06:30] <farciarz84> ActionParsnip: no, sandy-bridge gpu (intel)
[06:31] <farciarz84> I got also this info: (metacity:3585): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "pixmap",
[06:31] <ActionParsnip> farciarz84: i see
[06:36] <farciarz84> ok machine restart helped a little bit ;)
[06:51] <farciarz84> hope someone will fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/863045
[06:57] <zen_> hi.... unable to get skype... enabled multiarch... but still can't get it
[06:57] <ActionParsnip> zen_: grab skype from the skype website, it has Ubuntu debs.....
[06:58] <zen_> but for the older version
[06:58] <ActionParsnip> zen_: so you want an older version of skype?
[06:58] <zen_> no
[06:58] <zen_> the latest.... i said on skype.com we have older skype for 10.10
[06:58] <zen_> not for 11.10
[06:59] <zen_> or the 10.10 version works fine on 11.10 ?
[06:59] <ActionParsnip> zen_: the site has 2.2.0.35-1
[06:59] <ActionParsnip> zen_: that's the latest Linux client
[07:00] <SilentDis> greetings
[07:00] <ActionParsnip> hi SilentDis
[07:00] <SilentDis> anyone using the beta regularly?
[07:01] <ActionParsnip> SilentDis: I use it daily
[07:01] <zen_> k .... but it says that one is for ubuntu 10.10
[07:01] <zen_> and i have 11.10 beta 2
[07:01] <zen_> i just intalled
[07:01] <ActionParsnip> zen_: its the same, they just label it stupid
[07:01] <zen_> k thanks
[07:01] <ActionParsnip> zen_: grab the one that matches your arch, you may need to run:  sudo apt-get -f install     to fix deps
[07:02] <zen_> k
[07:02] <SilentDis> ActionParsnip: how is it?  did you upgrade from 11.04?  minor annoyances, major breaks?  I'm considering tossing it on my main box now is all, looking for a first impression :)
[07:03] <ActionParsnip> SilentDis: fine and I ALWAYS clean install to avoid complications with old configs causing issues. No serious breaks so far. Pidgin sounds causing pidgin to hang and 1 weird compiz issue are all I've had
[07:03] <ActionParsnip> SilentDis: but my hardware is SUPER linux friendly so I think that kinda helps
[07:04] <SilentDis> ActionParsnip: that's not a bad idea, the clean install.  /home is on a seperate drive, after all.  I've been running since... 5.10 i think... and this build is linux-friendly as well.
[07:05] <SilentDis> ActionParsnip: hey wait... isn't there some utility that kinda 'helps' with that?  generates a script to allow for fast reinstall of everything you currently have on a new install?  I seem to remember such a thing...
[07:09] <ActionParsnip> !clone
[07:09] <ActionParsnip> you'll need to install aptitude if you don't already have it (its not in a default install now)
[07:09] <SilentDis> ActionParsnip: thanks!
[07:09] <sagaci> oh wow, latest unity updates have screwed up my desktop big time
[07:09] <SilentDis> ActionParsnip: that's not a problem.  i'm actually a kubuntu user (have been since 6.06).  don't kick me! *blush*
[07:10] <sagaci> http://imgur.com/I44C6
[07:10] <ActionParsnip> SilentDis: I use it with my media box, works well with nvidia
[07:11] <ActionParsnip> sagaci: run:   pkill nautilus    then open and close nautilus
[07:11] <ActionParsnip> sagaci: I had the same, run updates and reboot
[07:12] <SilentDis> time to grab the cd image :)
[07:14] <ActionParsnip> sagaci: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/862743
[07:14] <sagaci> ActionParsnip, is it in -proposed or something
[07:15] <ActionParsnip> sagaci: when you get unity 4.20.0-0ubuntu2 it will go
[07:15] <ActionParsnip> sagaci: but the pkill nautilus thing seems to fix it for most
[07:16] <sagaci> yeah, mine's still ubuntu1, i'll try adding -proposed
[07:18] <sagaci> still not in proposed but the workaround is fine for now
[08:53] <zen_> its an offtopic... so ignore it.... and pls don't mind.... do any of you know.... any tool to convert ms sql to my sql
[08:54] <iceroot> zen_: #mysql i would try
[08:54] <zen_> k
[08:54] <zen_> thanks i am also heading to #mysql
[08:54] <zen_> i m on a project with .net and mssql... and try to convert over to php/myql
[08:54] <zen_> ;)
[08:55] <iceroot> zen_: sounds good to use free software :)
[09:00] <mamooth> Hey there
[09:01] <mamooth> I'm running 11.10 beta2, and I really have a hard time with blender shortcuts. The WM seems to preempt on blender, so it catches hotkeys before blender.
[09:01] <mamooth> Is there any know config setting for the application to have the priority on keyboard shortcuts?
[09:06] <mamooth> Ok, I'm trying something, having to relog
[09:12] <mamooth> re
[09:21] <ActionParsnip> mamooth: could try setting differnet shortcuts for compiz, reducing compiz plugins will make this easier
[09:24] <mamooth> ActionParsnip, assigning the /apps/metacity/general/mouse_button_modifier to Ctrl Mod4 solves the problem. I don't know if the WM is supposed to let the app catch the keyboard hotkeys first?
[09:25] <ActionParsnip> mamooth: not sure personally
[09:26] <mamooth> Well, at least, it works. Thanks :)
[09:31] <aqualuk> hi, i´m running an lubuntu 11.10 and made an dist-upgrade
[09:31] <aqualuk> now there is no panel any more and i can´t open a window
[09:31] <aqualuk> any idea?
[09:31] <ActionParsnip> aqualuk: what video chip do you use?
[09:32] <iceroot> aqualuk: what happens if you type "lxpanel&" in the shell?
[09:34] <aqualuk> iceroot: gtk warning cannot open display
[09:34] <aqualuk> ActionParsnip: intel
[09:34] <ActionParsnip> aqualuk: cool
[09:34] <iceroot> aqualuk: is that a root-shell?
[09:34] <ActionParsnip> aqualuk: try:     export DISPLAY=:0; lxpanel
[09:35] <aqualuk> iceroot: i try it as sudo
[09:35] <aqualuk> ActionParsnip: nothing happens
[09:35] <sagaci> hmm, network manager applet is now broken, hence can't connect to Mobile Broadband
[09:35] <iceroot> aqualuk: dont use sudo for that
[09:36] <iceroot> aqualuk: never start something from your desktop as root
[09:36] <aqualuk> i also tried it without sudo
[09:37] <aqualuk> lol i tried is with sudo and now i have a panel over the login screen
[09:39] <aqualuk> now i have windows and a panel if i login as a user
[09:39] <aqualuk> but how can i repair my system?
[09:40] <iceroot> aqualuk: its working right now istn it?
[09:40] <aqualuk> not really
[09:40] <aqualuk> the panel doesnt look normal
[09:40] <aqualuk> and i can´t shutdown with the logout button
[09:48] <aqualuk> any idea?
[09:49] <ActionParsnip> aqualuk: if you rename ~/.lxde  and/or ~/.config/openbox  and similar, you will get vanilla desktop settings
[09:49] <yofel> aqualuk: what exactly happened when you tried to run it without sudo? any errors?
[09:51] <ActionParsnip> aqualuk: also rename  ~/.config/lxpanel
[09:55] <aqualuk> doesnt work
[09:55] <sagaci> aqualuk, do you wan to restart your lxde panel
[09:56] <ActionParsnip> aqualuk: you'll need to log off and on
[09:56] <yofel> aqualuk: doesn't work is no error message
[09:56] <sagaci> aqualuk, try lxpanelctl restart
[09:57] <aqualuk> yofel: which command?
[09:57] <aqualuk> sagaci: i can´t because i have no terminal in x
[09:58] <yofel> aqualuk: you can check ~/.xsession-erorrs for some useful information then maybe, as I don't know either how to restart a panel in X from a tty
[09:58] <sagaci> aqualuk, try alt F2
[09:59] <yofel> (although setting DISPLAY as aqualuk said should work)
[09:59] <yofel> errr ActionParsnip
[10:00] <aqualuk> sagaci: lxpanelctl restart brings a panal, but this panal dosen't work correctly.
[10:01] <aqualuk> logout is no possible, an error message appires 'logout command not set'
[10:04] <aqualuk> graphic is Intel GMA X4500HD
[10:05] <aqualuk> if i run export DISPLAY=:0; lxpanel, i have a panel and can open windows but it´s not the right panel
[10:05] <sagaci> good luck
[10:05] <aqualuk> and i got this error: lxpanel : X error: BadWindow (invalid WIndow parameter)
[10:06] <aqualuk> sagaci: ?
[10:13] <aqualuk> ?
[10:19] <sagaci> network manager applet only shows enable wireless enable mobile broadband and edit connections, no way to connect
[10:21] <crshbndct> has anyone else here tried gnome 3.2 and found that the option for unity disappeared from lightdm?
[10:29] <BigWhale> Uhm, is Alternate MAC install CD also good for non macs?
[10:46] <TacoDan> Hello, will there be no Gnome option next release? (ubuntu-classic?)
[10:51] <sagaci> TacoDan, correct
[10:51] <TacoDan> sagaci: Will there ever be an offical release with the focus on Gnome?
[10:51] <TacoDan> (like Kubuntu = KDE)
[10:52] <arand_> Not likely, no.
[10:53] <TacoDan> so.. it's .. pretty much time to get off of ubuntu...
[10:54] <arand_> Well, I assume you will always be able to install the gnome shell in ubuntu, but if that is not enough, maybe.
[10:54] <tuukkah_> sagaci, did you find a solution to the issue about network-manager not having the choice to connect to networks? i was able to enter the wireless info via config
[10:55] <arand_> Unity is still gnome at the core, just a different shell, and login manager...
[10:55] <sagaci> tuukkah_, I can edit info, just can't connect since it doesn't come up with an option
[10:55] <TacoDan> arand_: is it possible to go ahead and download it now with the beta 2?
[10:57] <tuukkah_> sagaci, here, the connection was established automatically after i had entered the config
[10:57] <arand_> TacoDan: You mean if it's easy to install gnome-shell instead in there, I do not know, there will likely be guides/PPAs readily available though.
[10:58] <TacoDan> arand_: I mean, can I go ahead and use Gnome right now?
[10:58] <TacoDan> instead of Unity
[11:08] <jasef> As far as I remember, on 11.10, just type sudo apt-get install gnome-shell
[11:08] <jasef> There's no need for PPAs at all
[11:09] <jasef> I don't know of which packages you'd need to install Gnome2 though, gnome-shell is Gnome3
[11:28] <crshbndct> anyone know how unignore someone on xchat? i clicked the wrong option on an xchat dialog box and now boom!! gone
[11:30] <Lynoure> crshbndct: my memory might be wrong, but perhaps /ignore -theirnickhere
[11:30] <Lynoure> it does not bring back the messages you missed, though.
[11:31] <iceroot> crshbndct: /unignore (on irssi)
[11:37] <crshbndct> Lynoure, i tried that, but it doesnt work. tried /unignore <nick>*@* but that didnt work either
[11:38] <saulotoledo> hello! Where I find gnome 3.2 packages for oneiric?
[11:39] <crshbndct> ubuntu software centre
[11:40] <carli2> hi
[11:41] <carli2> how does the multiarch support work?
[11:41] <carli2> skype needs some ia32 libs of qt which i dont have
[11:42] <Arnold> Hello. Is someone else also experiencing the same issue as I do, after the last Unity update?
[11:42] <Arnold> This is how it looks: http://ubuntuone.com/2eiUsw0V2AacCl3bNmyCNm
[11:43] <saulotoledo> crshbndct	: I found 3.0 packages and a few for 3.2... I think I'm missing some repository...
[11:43] <crshbndct> try this:
[11:44] <crshbndct> sudo apt-get update
[11:44] <crshbndct> then look in software centre for gnome-shell
[11:48] <howdy> hey I would like to ask how to remove GLobal Menu in Oneiric, when I try to use GNome Shell it seems like screen disturbances comes as Ubuntu tryes to show globalmenu
[11:48] <howdy> when i put my mouse pointer in the left top :)
[11:50] <saulotoledo> crshbndct	: Installed, but GDM still 3.0.2
[11:50] <Ian_Corne> you need to use "gnome-shell --replace"
[11:50] <saulotoledo> crshbndct	: *3.0.4
[11:50] <howdy> Ian_Corne: THanks gonna try it :)
[11:53] <saulotoledo> crshbndct	: going test ^^
[11:55] <howdy> Ian_Corne: In btw is Gnome Shell addicted to compiz or I can remove compiz to resolve possible future coflicts ?
[11:56] <Ian_Corne> gnome-shell uses mutter I think
[11:56] <howdy> Ian_Corne: Gnome-Shell --replace needs to be executed only once yes ?
[12:09] <BluesKaj> hiyas
[12:24] <ErickMoreno> Hi guys, after a kernel update yesterday I got a kernel panic at boot
[12:25] <ErickMoreno> I'm seeing this error when booting using sefe mode kernel panic:not syncing VFS unable to mount root fs on unknown block(0,0)
[12:25] <ErickMoreno> any tips?
[12:29] <Saamm> This bug 859885 has been fixed in unity 4.20 but problem still persists. Should I file a new bug or comment on this only?
[12:49] <myk_robinson> Morning, all... Thank God the desktop offset bug is fixed :)
[12:50] <myk_robinson> Got a weird issue with the network indicator not showing available networks. Left clicking acts as if I am right clicking. Known bug?
[12:53] <farciarz84> why do you remove bugs "tags: removed: need-duplicate-check "?
[12:54] <farciarz84> I commit this bug about xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) 3 times and noone wants to check what's wrong
[12:56] <farciarz84> [sandybridge-gt1] GPU lockup render.IPEHR: 0xff2c001e, bug 863045
[13:02] <farciarz84> I'd like to know what is better to install for sandybridge when 11.10 is out. 32 or 64-bit version?
[13:02] <myk_robinson> are you guys able to click your network manager icon and see available networks? My left click yields the same as right clicking..
[13:02] <robin0800> myk_robinson, its a bug
[13:03] <myk_robinson> just found it, #862989
[13:03] <myk_robinson> you're quick, pointed me towards a bug last night too.
[13:03] <farciarz84> myk_robinson: when fc is out, all bugs has to be fixed?
[13:03] <myk_robinson> what is fc?
[13:03] <farciarz84> final candidate
[13:04] <robin0800> bug 862989
[13:04] <freedom07> Fedora Core :P
[13:04] <myk_robinson> Guess sometimes finding these bug reports is a matter of searching for the right terms
[13:04] <myk_robinson> I don't expect ANYTHING to be bug free as long as humans are involved in its production :)
[13:05] <farciarz84> myk_robinson: I'm afraid ubuntu is still not stable on my sandybridge machine when it's out :(
[13:05] <myk_robinson> Most of my stuff is typically a slight bit behind current just to avoid weird hardware issues. Was Natty working ok with sandybridge?
[13:07] <myk_robinson> btw, you guys are much more talkative than the Drupal irc channel :) Nice to have people actually converse
[13:08] <farciarz84> myk_robinson: no, actually the only reason I go for 11.10 beta was that it works best. But best deosn't mean stable :/
[13:08] <myk_robinson> hopefully it'll be sorted out soon.
[13:09] <farciarz84> I wonder why all bugs I send about sandybridge are marked as  removed: need-duplicate-check
[13:10] <myk_robinson> I guess that means the bug report already exists under another number. I sometimes have a hard time finding the bugs myself..
[13:11] <myk_robinson>   https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/860467
[13:11] <myk_robinson> is your Launchpad name P P by chance?
[13:12] <farciarz84> myk_robinson: yes I've commited this bug
[13:12] <farciarz84> it's marked as need-duplicate-check
[13:12] <farciarz84> too
[13:13] <myk_robinson> i assume that means the issue is roughly the same, and they don't want new reports opened up for the same issue on the same package. Mind you, I'm not a dev, i'm just guess based on the verbage
[13:13] <myk_robinson> looks like bug #863045 has been confirmed
[13:14] <farciarz84> myk_robinson: by me
[13:14] <myk_robinson> :) sorry... Still on my first cup of coffee.. Its morning here.
[13:14] <myk_robinson> robin0800: you able to decipher what the duplicate check needed status means on a bug report?
[13:15] <farciarz84> I've changed it to new
[13:15] <aboudreault> guys. if I install a fresh pc with ubuntu ocelot..... I suppose I will be able to upgrade to the official release easily when it will be released?
[13:16] <farciarz84> aboudreault: yes, I suppose the same
[13:16] <myk_robinson> aboudreault: yes, if you continue to install updates as they come through the update manager, you should be at final without realising it once that day hits
[13:17] <farciarz84> but sometimes upgrades doesn't pass easily
[13:17] <aboudreault> ok. and does Ocelot contain Gnome 3?
[13:17] <farciarz84> yes
[13:17] <aboudreault> cool then. Downloading the beta.
[13:18] <farciarz84> I prefer Gnome 2 :/
[13:18] <aboudreault> I'm currently using kde4
[13:18] <freedom07> i prefer LXDE
[13:18]  * aboudreault is googling LXDE..
[13:19] <freedom07> aboudreault, google lubuntu too then
[13:20] <dashavoo> Hey - I have a problem... I am probably not the only one, but maybe I am
[13:20] <dashavoo> last night I installed upgrades, this morning I realised that I no longer have a window manager
[13:20] <myk_robinson> wow.
[13:20] <myk_robinson> you may have installed updates in the middle of a cycle and something broke.
[13:20] <myk_robinson> You able to get a terminal?
[13:21] <myk_robinson> and are you on a wired internet connetion?
[13:21] <dashavoo> thankfully I can get a terminal, but I am going to have to mess about with wpasupplicant for internet connection
[13:21] <myk_robinson> any way to termporarily get a wired connection? If so you can run this morning's updates and ifx it
[13:22] <myk_robinson> assuming you can, first run    sudo apt-get update
[13:22] <dashavoo> if it is just a matter of update and upgrade again, I can cope with that
[13:22] <myk_robinson> then run    sudo apt-get upgrade
[13:22] <dashavoo> if there is something else, well, we will see
[13:23] <dashavoo> it was certainly a nasty shock this morning, I can say that
[13:23] <myk_robinson> i have had stuff like that happen before with a beta.. I'll be checking manually for updates almost hourly and pushing stuff to upgrade, hoping that something won't break because i grabbed a few packaged before some other components they needed were ready
[13:24] <dashavoo> I have had a couple of dodgy upgrades with this lot of betas, but this one was the only one that was beyond the normal expectations with testing software
[13:25] <myk_robinson> it'll definitely happen during xorg upgrade cycles if you catch it at the "wrong" time, if there is such a thing
[13:26] <farciarz84> LXDE looks ugly or old-dated :/
[13:26] <farciarz84> I'll try kde4 next time
[13:26] <dashavoo> yeah... funnily enough I had a bad feeling as I was doing the upgrade. I must have seen something out of the corner of my eye that didn't register.
[13:26] <dashavoo> farciarz84: the new kde4 is lovely
[13:26] <dashavoo> kde4.7
[13:27] <farciarz84> dashavoo: is it possible to have both gnome3 AND kde4 and choose session?
[13:27] <myk_robinson> I must be one of the only people living that actually likes unity :)
[13:27] <dashavoo> farciarz84: yes
[13:27] <farciarz84> how to install it?
[13:28] <dashavoo> myk_robinson: I like the idea of it, and it works great when I am only using my computer for watching films or listening to music, but when I want to work, it just doesn't suit my workflow
[13:29] <dashavoo> farciarz84: the easiest way is just to apt-get install kubuntu-desktop I think
[13:29] <myk_robinson> dashavoo: I just install synapse and use it for launching stuff anyway, so maybe I dont really use unity.. To many clicks to get to anything, which is why i use synapse as a launcher. At this point, i'd do the same thing in Gnome 3 or KDE4, just so much faster to get to apps I use the most
[13:31] <farciarz84> myk_robinson: When sotmething is good it should have option to turn it off ;) On 4:3 screens unity doesn't work good unles it has an option to be moved from left to bottom
[13:32] <myk_robinson> Point well noted :) I guess Canonical, much like myself, assume that everyone is rockin' widescreen monitors these days
[13:32] <farciarz84> for tablets, netbooks, notebooks it hit the spot
[13:32] <farciarz84> myk_robinson: I've just bouth 2 new eizo 4:3 :)
[13:32] <myk_robinson> I think its like when KDE4 first came out and everybody was in an uproar. But in time, again like KDE4, it will blossom
[13:33] <myk_robinson> KDE4 is what made me switch to Ubuntu initially
[13:33] <myk_robinson> from Suse
[13:33] <myk_robinson> ok, am i missing something obvious?? Is there no way to setup a dang printer in the current beta??
[13:34] <dashavoo> myk_robinson: I agree - KDE4 was horrendous when it came out, but the latest version is what a desktop should be
[13:34] <myk_robinson> nvm, found it.
[13:35] <farciarz84> dashavoo: do you know if kde4 is working good with intel gpu?
[13:38] <dashavoo> facno idea, sorry
[13:38] <dashavoo> farciarz84: no idea, sorry
[13:38] <dashavoo> tab completion fail there :P
[13:48] <dashavoo> damn... I went to get an attachment from a particular email - realised I had a couple of new emails, read them, and then forgot to get the attachment :P
[13:49] <farciarz84> addicted to web
[13:54] <farciarz84> how to check which driver version do I have? e.g 2D driver: xf86-video-intel
[13:57] <zniavre> glxinfo ?
[13:59] <peto> hi :) where can i find launcher properties in Ubuntu 11.10? :)
[14:00] <albert23> farciarz84: apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-video-intel
[14:02] <peto> need help please :/
[14:02] <myk_robinson> wow.. So i get back from walking down to another business here at the complex and my laptop screen is black and won't wake up.. Had to forcefully shutdown.
[14:03] <myk_robinson> robin0800: to knowledge is there an existing bug for laptop screens waking up from being blanked?
[14:04] <schreber> did they turn off unity (the side bar thingy) in 11.10 or is it something we can turn off so it (the desktop) more or less looks like a 'default' gnome 3.x one?
[14:07] <gnominatty> schreber: it can be done with gconf-tools which you might need to install
[14:08] <schreber> I'll need to remember that when I upgrade. Thanks for the information.
[14:08] <farciarz84> albert23, zniavre thx; 2:2.16 is out some days ago, when it will be avaiable to upgrade?
[14:09] <peto> hi :) where can i find launcher properties in Ubuntu 11.10? :)
[14:10] <farciarz84> peto: there is no properties. It is like you see it
[14:11] <albert23> farciarz84: oneiric will not upgrade to 2.16. However, the 2.15.901 we have is almost the same as 2.16
[14:14] <peto> farciarz84:  but i want add my app to dash.. exactly Aptana Studio
[14:44] <josePHPagoda> hi all!
[14:50] <ubuntu_> hi
[14:50] <ubuntu_> i have a problem with installing ubuntu in my laptop
[14:50] <ubuntu_> it is dell inspiron n5010
[14:51] <ubuntu_> and i am talking from live cd
[14:52] <ikonia> ubuntu_: are you trying to use ubuntu 11.10
[14:52] <ubuntu_> yes
[14:52] <ikonia> ubuntu_: you know it's unstable/not-released yet ?
[14:53] <ubuntu_> yes
[14:53] <ubuntu_> but
[14:53] <ikonia> but what ?
[14:53] <ubuntu_> i think my problem is old
[14:53] <ikonia> ?
[14:53] <ubuntu_> very very old
[14:53] <bjsnider> today's livecd might not work, if it's a daily
[14:53] <ikonia> just explain it
[14:54] <farciarz84> albert23: 2.16 has known issues with sandy bridge. Does it mean I have to wait some years until new ubuntu is lunched?
[14:54] <ubuntu_> just a minute
[14:54] <ali1234> how do i change the sub pixel ordering now that the old appearence settings have been removed?
[14:55] <farciarz84> why some packages are being updated apt-get update/upgrade some not (like xserver-xorg-video-intel)
[14:56] <josePHPagoda> am I correct in assuming there are no such things as screensavers anymore?
[14:56] <ubuntu_> and it happens just in dell laptops
[14:56] <ubuntu_> and in beta vesions
[14:56] <ikonia> ubuntu_: "what" does
[14:56] <ikonia> ubuntu_: tell us what you are talking about
[14:56] <ubuntu_> versions
[14:57] <ikonia> stop saying random words and explain the problem
[14:57] <ubuntu_> the (problem )
[14:57] <ubuntu_> sorry
[14:57] <ubuntu_> the english is mot my mother language
[14:58] <ikonia> I understand that
[14:58] <ubuntu_> so maybe will be slow
[14:58] <ubuntu_> so
[14:58] <ikonia> speed is not important
[14:58] <ikonia> just please explain the issue
[14:59] <ubuntu_> i cannot install ubuntu
[14:59] <ubuntu_> i tried that several times
[14:59] <ikonia> WHY can you not install it, explain the problem
[15:00] <ubuntu_> ubuntu 11.10
[15:00] <ikonia> ok - you're on your own
[15:00] <josePHPagoda> ubuntu_: what is your mother language?
[15:00] <ubuntu_> i cannot put it on the hard
[15:00] <ubuntu_> arabic
[15:00] <josePHPagoda> i only know spanish and english, else i'd try to help you that way
[15:00] <ubuntu_> but no problem
[15:00] <synrat>  is anyone using dual monitors with gnome-shell ( 11.10 ) ? all I'm seeing is 2 empty screens
[15:00] <josePHPagoda> when you try to install, does it give you an error message?
[15:01] <ubuntu_> i can teranslate
[15:01] <josePHPagoda> when do you get the error?
[15:01] <ubuntu_> in the first time i downloaded the updates and then it crushed
[15:01] <farciarz84> synrat: I have
[15:02] <ali1234> same thing happened to me a couple of days ago
[15:02] <ubuntu_> and i report the bug
[15:02] <farciarz84> display manager has bug
[15:02] <farciarz84> but sometimes it works
[15:02] <josePHPagoda> do you mean downloading the updates during the install?
[15:02] <ali1234> install ubuntu, run update, update bails, can't login any more
[15:02] <albert23> farciarz84: Ubuntu 12.04 will be released in 7 months and will most likely have a newer intel driver. Also, if you know about specific fixes for important bugs, these may be fixed in 11.10 via SRU.
[15:03] <farciarz84> what is SRU?
[15:03] <ubuntu_> and in the next times i get the error (up-partman error 10)
[15:04] <albert23> farciarz84: Stable Release Update
[15:04] <ubuntu_> yes i downloaded updates during the install
[15:05] <ali1234> hmm
[15:05] <ali1234> i did too
[15:05] <ali1234> maybe that was the problem
[15:05] <farciarz84> albert23: does SRU can be process from apt-get ?
[15:06] <farciarz84> will 12.04 have unity?
[15:06] <ubuntu_> ali1234 : are you talking to me?
[15:06] <ali1234> yes
[15:06] <ali1234> bte "download updates during the install" means exactly that - it *only* downloads them, it doesn't install them
[15:07] <albert23> farciarz84: yes, after it has been tested, an SRU becomes available in apt-get and update-manager
[15:08] <ubuntu_> i know that , but  some updates require reboot
[15:09] <vivid> wow, suspending laptop when instructed not to do such things is extremely annoying
[15:09] <ubuntu_> and i think any reboot will not save changes (the downloaded packages)
[15:10] <josePHPagoda> ubuntu_: i was unable to install ubuntu 11.10 when i had the download updates during install marked
[15:10] <ubuntu_> (downloaded packages = updates)
[15:10] <ubuntu_> yes
[15:10] <ubuntu_> no sorry
[15:11] <ubuntu_> after the install downloads the update
[15:11] <ubuntu_> install = installer
[15:11] <ubuntu_> the installer crushed
[15:11] <josePHPagoda> yeah
[15:11] <josePHPagoda> try installing without any of those boxes marked and see what happens
[15:12] <ubuntu_> and then doesn't started
[15:12] <ubuntu_> after that
[15:12] <josePHPagoda> mine did the same thing
[15:12] <josePHPagoda> but when I didn't have those marked, it worked
[15:12] <ubuntu_> i tried to kill the process
[15:12] <ubuntu_> i logged out
[15:13] <ubuntu_> and then i logged in again
[15:13] <ubuntu_> and i run the installer again
[15:13] <josePHPagoda> i'm unsure if that will work
[15:14] <josePHPagoda> i would suggest doing it from a clean slate (rebooting entirely)
[15:14] <ubuntu_> ok
[15:14] <ubuntu_> i will try
[15:14] <josePHPagoda> i will try to help you as I can
[15:14] <ubuntu_> thanks
[15:17] <m4yer> hey, i've got a issue since a update today: looks the following way: http://share.minad.de/dl.php?i=uFo4.png http://share.minad.de/dl.php?i=1gxy.png
[15:18] <m4yer> and thunderbird (and some other programms) don't get window-decorations ...
[15:18] <m4yer> are these known problems and is there any fix for it known? somehow annoying ;)
[15:19] <josePHPagoda> m4yer:
[15:19] <josePHPagoda> it is a known issue
[15:19] <josePHPagoda> open a terminal
[15:19] <josePHPagoda> and run
[15:19] <josePHPagoda> pkill nautilus
[15:20] <josePHPagoda> then start nautilus again
[15:20] <josePHPagoda> that fixed it for me
[15:20] <m4yer> oh, that was easy, thank you very much ;)
[15:20] <josePHPagoda> i'm unsure about the window decorations issue
[15:20] <josePHPagoda> as i've not run into that problem
[15:21] <josePHPagoda> can you help me confirm an issue?
[15:21] <josePHPagoda> in fullscreen firefox... (push f11 in it)
[15:21] <josePHPagoda> then push the windows key to bring up the dash, you can't click on dash elements
[15:21] <ElderDryas> Installed (via update-manager -d) xubuntu 11.10b2 yesterday...all was well. Woke up this morning, turned on the computer and 2 issues: 1) I now have a battery charge icon in the notification area, where there was none before, and the AC is on and the batter is fully charged) and 2) My desktop shows a nice, pretty blue backgound, where it should show a specific jpg file (Desktop in the Settings Manager shows the proper files ad being the proper backg
[15:21] <ElderDryas> round). The correct background shows on startup, then the blue background takes over.  All this was before and updates from today (which did not solve these problems).
[15:22] <m4yer> josePHPagoda: same here (even in chromium)
[15:23] <charlie-tca> ElderDryas: how many workspaces show now? Did the number change?
[15:24] <ElderDryas> charlie-tca: 2 workspaces, no change from what I set up yeaterday
[15:24] <charlie-tca> As I recall, when I did the upgrade (alpha1), I had to reset my desktop image in Settings -> Settings Manager -> Desktop
[15:25] <ktosiek> Hi! I need libcurl4-gnutls:i386 (for standalone flashplayer), but it looks like it's missing from repo
[15:25] <ElderDryas> charlie-tca: I just removed the battery and the icon in the notification area went away, so maybe it is acutally something to do with the battery, I'll test this with a cojuble of LiveCD/USD later
[15:25] <ktosiek> to make things funnier, libcurl4-gnutls-dev _is_ in repo
[15:26] <ktosiek> (or I'm using some funny 3rd party repo with those libs, but I don't think so)
[15:26] <josePHPagoda> i can't install ccsm
[15:27] <josePHPagoda> even though it shows in the software center
[15:27] <ElderDryas> charlie-tca: The Desktop says the correct image IS the background, and when I attem[pt to change the backgound the pretty bluse screen (not of death) stays
[15:27] <charlie-tca> ElderDryas: There was a lot of changes again in Xfce, even though the version stayed at 4.8
[15:27] <josePHPagoda> m4yer: do you want to file that bug report? or do you want me to? also can you see if it has been filed by someone else already?
[15:27] <ElderDryas> charlie-tca: Good :)
[15:28] <ElderDryas> But I work with B2 for about 6 hours yesterday, rebooting several time and the background problem did not show up untell this morning
[15:28] <charlie-tca> ElderDryas: can you report a bug for that ? ubuntu-bug xfdesktop4
[15:29] <ElderDryas> Yes, but it will have to be this PM, I have to leave soon for a better job interview :)
[15:29] <charlie-tca> That will be fine. Thank you
[15:29] <josePHPagoda> ubuntu_ any luck?
[15:30] <m4yer> josePHPagoda: ill take a look into it.
[15:30] <ubuntu_> ok
[15:30] <josePHPagoda> thanks a ton
[15:30] <ubuntu_> i rebooted
[15:30] <ubuntu_> an forgot boot from the cd
[15:30] <josePHPagoda> oh
[15:30] <ubuntu_> and
[15:31] <ubuntu_> an = and
[15:31] <ubuntu_> then i find ubuntu on hard
[15:32] <ubuntu_> without introductions
[15:33] <ubuntu_> i have installed from the first time
[15:33] <ubuntu_> with out knowing
[15:33] <josePHPagoda> hmm
[15:33] <josePHPagoda> so it is working?
[15:33] <ubuntu_> yes
[15:34] <ubuntu_> thanks for supporting
[15:34] <ali1234> ah i think i used the wrong iso
[15:34] <ali1234> probably an old alpha
[15:34] <ali1234> that would explain why nothing worked properly
[15:35] <ubuntu_> but what does mean (install release) ?
[15:36] <ubuntu_> does it the final release ?
[15:36] <Pici> What?
[15:36] <josePHPagoda> i don't know, I dont see that anywhere
[15:37] <josePHPagoda> on my machine
[15:37] <Pici> ubuntu_: Can you rephrase your question?
[15:38] <ubuntu_> yes i see an install icon in my ubuntu 11.10 on hard disk
[15:39] <josePHPagoda> hmm
[15:39] <josePHPagoda> odd
[15:39] <josePHPagoda> i don't know why
[15:39] <ubuntu_> is it normal?
[15:41] <josePHPagoda> ubuntu_ i don't think so
[15:41] <ubuntu_> i am sure that i am booting from hard disk
[15:42] <ubuntu_> does the re-install is recommend?
[15:42] <josePHPagoda> no
[15:42] <josePHPagoda> you should be fine
[15:43] <josePHPagoda> i would wait until the final and then reinstall using the final release
[15:43] <ubuntu_> ok
[15:43] <josePHPagoda> please remember that you are in a test version
[15:44] <ubuntu_> but i notice that it have little deferent from the cd installation
[15:44] <josePHPagoda> the livecd is almost identical to the installed version, except that the installed version should be much faster
[15:44] <ubuntu_> the cd recommend me install in 4.4 GB
[15:45] <ubuntu_> and this recommends me 8.8 for install
[15:45] <ubuntu_> yes
[15:45] <josePHPagoda> because some of the harddisk is already consumed...
[15:45] <josePHPagoda> i wouldn't try to use it
[15:45] <josePHPagoda> your installation source will be formatted if you do so
[15:45] <ubuntu_> but
[15:46] <ubuntu_> it doesn't look like live cd
[15:47] <ubuntu_> the user name is the same that installation requested it
[15:48] <ubuntu_> (means the user name is not ubuntu)
[15:48] <josePHPagoda> yeah
[15:48] <ubuntu_> and the boot loader was grub
[15:49] <josePHPagoda> correct
[15:49] <ubuntu_> not isolinux
[15:49] <ubuntu_> and the filesystem show that disk in / (sda5)
[15:50] <ubuntu_> but the install icon in launcher
[15:50] <ubuntu_> not in desktop
[15:52] <ubuntu_> and the install icon has the name (install RELAESE)
[15:52] <ubuntu_> did you want a screenshot?
[15:53] <josePHPagoda> i know what you are describing
[15:53] <josePHPagoda> and I understand
[15:53] <josePHPagoda> I don't know why it is there
[15:53] <josePHPagoda> it shouldn't be
[15:53] <gnominatty> ubuntu_: !enter
[15:53] <gnominatty> :-/
[15:53] <gnominatty> !enter
[15:54] <zhiwei> wzssyqa: hello
[15:54] <ubuntu_> i didn't understand
[15:54] <wzssyqa> zhiwei: hi
[15:54] <ubuntu_> enter a -/
[15:54] <zhiwei> wzssyqa: 还不休息吗？
[15:55] <wzssyqa> zhiwei: here is #ubuntu-cn !cn
[15:55] <wzssyqa> zhiwei: !chinese
[15:55] <urlin2u> !cn
[15:55] <ubuntu_> ok no problem thanks for supporting
[15:56] <zhiwei> wzssyqa: I thought you are the man I know.
[15:57] <wzssyqa> zhiwei: sure, but here is #ubuntu+1, let's go to #ubuntu-cn
[15:59] <Zagrada> hi
[15:59] <Zagrada> I just installed the updates and I have a destop issue now
[15:59] <Zagrada> the backdrop has moved both down and right
[16:00] <Zagrada> and the gap it created by doing so, is odd
[16:00] <Zagrada> as in, when you move a window over it, it causes glytches
[16:00] <dashavoo> ok, can anyone talk me through getting online with wpa_supplicant please?
[16:00] <Zagrada> anyone who has an idea how I should fix this?
[16:01] <ali1234> Zagrada: that's a very well known bug, actually it was fixed a few hours ago, your mirror is probably behind
[16:01] <Zagrada> sublime
[16:01] <ali1234> i got the bug last night, today i upgraded (about 1 hour ago) and it is fixed
[16:02] <Zagrada> I'll keep ignoring it for a bit longer then
[16:02] <Dreaman> ubuntu 11.10 sucks meny bugs
[16:02] <dashavoo> I'll ask in ubuntu+1-1, nevermind
[16:02] <Dreaman> os[Linux 3.0.0-12-generic x86_64] distro[Ubuntu "oneiric" 11.10] cpu[2 x AMD Athlon(tm) 7750 Dual-Core Processor (AuthenticAMD) @ 2.70GHz] mem[Physical: 3.9GB, 84.4% free] disk[Total: 924.7GB, 66.7% free] video[ATI Technologies Inc RV730XT [Radeon HD 4670]] sound[HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia1: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI HDMI]
[16:02] <Zagrada> while I'm here, how does one disable the logon sound?
[16:03] <Dreaman> compiz no work audacious no work
[16:03] <Dreaman> ati driver not work
[16:03] <Dreaman> free or fglrx
[16:03] <ali1234> ATI sucks
[16:03] <zhiwei> Zagrada:  ~/.config/autostart
[16:03] <ali1234> ATI driver *never* works
[16:04] <Dreaman> hehehehe
[16:04] <Dreaman> gentoo work catalyst 11.8
[16:04] <Dreaman> :)
[16:04] <ali1234> catalyst 11.8 is horribly broken
[16:04] <josePHPagoda> anyone know how to set a screensaver in 11.10?
[16:04] <ali1234> 100% cpu usage all the time
[16:05] <Dreaman> nvidia drivers for linux sucks but
[16:05] <Dreaman> :)
[16:05] <ali1234> does anyone know why my netbook is just turning on and off randomly while i sit and watch it?
[16:05] <ali1234> it's like it tries to suspend but then gives up after about 10 minutes
[16:05] <Dreaman> add in panel program
[16:06] <Mamarok> ikonia: just as an update: removing that friendly-recovery package solved the issue, but I had to go through abut 48 hours of painful grub.cfg running when removing it
[16:08] <h00k> josePHPagoda: Screensavers have been forlorn in Gnome3
[16:09] <ikonia> Mamarok: how odd/interesting
[16:09] <ikonia> Mamarok: I need to look into that package as I wasn't aware of it until you said about it
[16:10] <josePHPagoda> h00k: so no screensavers anymore?
[16:11] <h00k> josePHPagoda: that is correct, they were removed from Gnome 3
[16:11] <josePHPagoda> that's a bummer
[16:11] <h00k> and since Ubuntu uses Gnome 3...
[16:11] <josePHPagoda> makes it harder for my home automation stuff
[16:11] <josePHPagoda> no more touchscreens that fade to a screensaver when not in use
[16:11] <josePHPagoda> :-(
[16:11] <h00k> Yeah, I was disappointed at first, but they really didn't make sense to have them anymore
[16:11] <h00k> josePHPagoda: oh, that's kind if cool
[16:11] <ali1234> gnome screensavers were only ever cut down version of xscreensaver anyway
[16:12] <h00k> josePHPagoda: I think you can still use xscreensaver
[16:12] <josePHPagoda> eah
[16:12] <josePHPagoda> yeah
[16:12] <josePHPagoda> it like using the supported software though
[16:12] <josePHPagoda> might have to switch to kubuntu or somesuch
[16:12] <ali1234> lol
[16:13] <ali1234> have you tried it?
[16:14] <josePHPagoda> i've messed around w/ kde
[16:14] <josePHPagoda> found it to be a tish sluggish
[16:15] <josePHPagoda> but they seem to be more in touch w/ myself and my peers
[16:15] <josePHPagoda> IAmNotThatGuy: are you that guy I saw at the restaurant the other day?
[16:15] <IAmNotThatGuy> josePHPagoda, Maybe :P
[16:15] <ali1234> i can't stand to use KDE, the misaligned text everywhere just annoys me too much
[16:16] <josePHPagoda> kde looked pretty nice to me
[16:16] <penguin42> curious; this laptop just suspended while I was out for ~1 hour - it's on AC yet the setting is don't suspend when plugged in
[16:16] <TheSimkin> i love kde
[16:16] <josePHPagoda> but i'm weird
[16:16] <josePHPagoda> the quarter snapping was nice
[16:16] <TheSimkin> it's a fantastic inteface
[16:16] <ali1234> well then you didn't look very closely
[16:16] <TheSimkin> ali1234: no, you're just silly.
[16:16] <TheSimkin> anyone else getting an error when starting ff or chrome? I'm getting "gdk_error_trap_pop_ignored
[16:17] <TheSimkin> err "undefined symbho: gdk_error_+trap_pop_ignored"
[16:17] <yofel> TheSimkin: bug 862553
[16:17] <smoser> anyone else have a recent regression where gnome-power-settings (or however you set that) is not listened to ?
[16:17] <TheSimkin> ahh
[16:17] <TheSimkin> i'm dong an update / upgrade right now, so i gues sthat will fix it! thanks yofel.
[16:17] <smoser> ie, my power settings say "do not suspend on ac power", but it does.
[16:18] <penguin42> smoser: Snap! Just said the same thing
[16:18] <ali1234> here is an example of the kind of thing i mean: http://imagebin.org/176859
[16:18] <ali1234> this is from the kubuntu installer
[16:18] <penguin42> smoser: Have you got a bug for it?
[16:18] <ali1234> notice that the icons are correctly aligned, but the text isn't
[16:18] <chimchim64> smoser: having the same issue
[16:19] <TheSimkin> anyone know how i could geta l ist of all the packages i have installed + their version numbers?
[16:19] <penguin42> still, I guess it shows sleep works :-)
[16:19] <penguin42> TheSimkin: dpkg -l
[16:19] <penguin42> TheSimkin: Sorry, dpkg -l | grep  ^ii
[16:19] <TheSimkin> great!
[16:19] <gnominatty> in kde you can change font size and type, i did a small test by making all fonts the same type and size in all settings and final result was very consistent
[16:19] <TheSimkin> thanks penguin42.
[16:20] <saulotoledo> Hello! My Gnome3 installation has some problems. This do not works: "Alt + F2" dialog, file previews, multi-protocol (GTalk, MSN, ...) funcionality on desktop, Block screen funcionality, GDM new version... Somebody can help me how to fix each?
[16:20] <ali1234> gnominatty: changing the font size just makes alignment issues even worse
[16:20] <ali1234> also nearly all KDE apps have something that ignores font settings
[16:20] <TheSimkin> ali1234: name one?
[16:20] <yofel> ali1234: where do you find alignment issues? I'm obviously blind to them. And the font settings work perfectly fine here
[16:21] <ali1234> TheSimkin: muon package manager
[16:21] <ali1234> yofel: http://imagebin.org/176859
[16:21] <gnominatty> ali1234: like i said, my observation was optimal for the intended purposes of having same font size system wide
[16:22] <yofel> ok true, the button text is bottom aligned, so not at the same height as the icons. But that should depend on the font size too
[16:22] <ali1234> yes, it *does* depend on the font size
[16:22] <ali1234> when you change the font size, the text bounces around all over the place
[16:22] <smoser> penguin42, i do not have a bug.
[16:22] <ali1234> sometimes it looks bottom aligned, sometimes it looks top aligned
[16:22] <penguin42> smoser: Looks like bug 862813 is the one
[16:23] <gnominatty> you might need to restart session after this sort of changes too
[16:23] <smoser> chimchim64, did you have a bug ?
[16:23] <smoser> oh. ok. thanks.
[16:23] <ali1234> if you pick *exactly* the right font size you can even get it to be in the middle where it should be
[16:23] <smoser> penguin42,
[16:23]  * yofel would blame Qt TBH
[16:23] <yofel> but I'm not really sure what does the alignment there
[16:23] <ali1234> there same thing that does it everywhere else in KDE
[16:23] <ali1234> it's the theme
[16:24] <yofel> file a bug against oxygen then
[16:24] <ali1234> the only KDE theme that can do font alignment correctly is QTCurve
[16:24] <BluesKaj> heh, pulseaudio desn't even recognize my souncard. I was gonna give PA a try , but I guess the pa conf files din't notice the changes I made in ~/.asoundrc
[16:24] <ali1234> all the other themes are just as bad
[16:24] <BluesKaj> even after purging PA
[16:24] <ali1234> yofel: do you think i should file a bug on launchpad or on kde bug tracker?
[16:25] <yofel> kde, I don't think we do any modifications to oxygen in kubuntu
[16:26] <ali1234> yofel: btw the plasma taskbar has similar problems, even though it doesn't use the system theme
[16:27] <ali1234> and especially the digital clock plasmoid
[16:27] <ali1234> that's just all over the place
[16:27] <yofel> ok, I can agree with that
[16:31] <ali1234> oh great kde uses bugzilla
[16:33] <gnominatty> bugs.kde.org
[16:33] <ali1234> is a bugzilla installation
[16:34] <ali1234> what version of kde is in oneiric? 4.7.1?
[16:34] <ali1234> or "recent svn"
[16:36] <penguin42> ali1234: 4.7.1 for some packages, others say 4.7.1+git110927
[16:36] <penguin42> actually, all except for kdepim are 4.7.1
[16:39] <sgerbino> anyone have the issue where network-manager appindicator no longer displays wireless networks in range, yet connects fine? I'm not sure if this is a bug or intentional :O
[16:40] <josePHPagoda> sgerbino: it's a bu
[16:40] <josePHPagoda> bug
[16:40] <josePHPagoda> and has been fixed
[16:40] <josePHPagoda> check for updates again
[16:40] <josePHPagoda> the update just barely hit my local mirror
[16:40] <josePHPagoda> and might be on yours now
[16:40] <josePHPagoda> :-D
[16:41] <sgerbino> sweet, thanks jose :]
[17:00] <sgerbino> woot network manager works just at the prophet josePHPagoda predicted :]
[17:00] <sgerbino> just as*
[17:00] <josePHPagoda> :-D
[17:01] <josePHPagoda> please remember, ubuntu is beta
[17:01] <josePHPagoda> so yeah
[17:01] <josePHPagoda> stuff will break itself
[17:01] <josePHPagoda> and fix itself
[17:01] <josePHPagoda> as if by magic
[17:01] <josePHPagoda> :-D
[17:01] <nhaines> Not as if by magic!  As if by users who file bug reports when they find bugs!  :D
[17:01] <sgerbino> yeahhh im an early adopter :p
[17:02] <sgerbino> i know the risk i take -- its just oneiric looked so sexy
[17:03] <josePHPagoda> :-D
[17:05] <drussell> I have to admit when the release goes gold... I miss the steady stream of updates :o)
[17:06] <jpds> drussell: Install Arch Linux?
[17:06] <jpds> Oh wait.
[17:06] <drussell> jpds: if only I didn't need to do anything productive ;o)
[17:07]  * drussell chuckles at update-manager installing an update to update-manager
[17:07] <drussell> it's like apt updates, I know it works, and I know it's (mostly) fine, but it still amuses me
[17:07] <nhaines> What I don't chuckle at is when xserver and apt need updated at the same time.
[17:08] <nhaines> What could possibly go wrong?  :D
[17:09] <josePHPagoda> :-|
[17:14] <drussell> nhaines: hehehehe
[17:14] <drussell> nhaines: and compiz
[17:18] <os_> hi
[17:18] <os_> sound notification in unity 2d is not working very well
[17:34] <blizzow> I have a WackyPort (DisplayPort) on my Thinkpad T420S laptop.  Does anyone here know if Ubuntu will drive a monitor out of it or how I can configure Ubuntu to drive a monitor out of that port?
[17:41] <dtigue> anyone know where the file is located to store wireless keys ?
[17:41] <IdleOne> I can safely delete everything in /tmp correct?
[17:51] <bhavesh_> There was a powercut while installing a app from software centre, I think its borken now... coz whenever i try installing new app it gets stuck at 20%
[17:51] <bhavesh_> do I have to reinstall it?
[17:51] <IdleOne> sudo dpkg-reconfigure -a
[17:52] <IdleOne> try that
[17:52] <bhavesh_> ok
[17:53] <os_> hi
[17:53] <bazhang> hi
[17:53] <os_> hi
[17:54] <os_> the halt menu is disappearing after a period of time in unity and unity 2d
[17:58] <jbicha> os_: that should have been fixed with the latest indicator-session
[17:59] <bil21al> how can i get to know that which version of ubuntu  i m using?/
[17:59] <bazhang> !version | bil21al
[17:59] <os_> sorry i forgot update the system
[18:02] <bhavesh_> IdleOne, I tried sudo spkg-reconfigure -a my Update Manager still says: Software Index is broken
[18:02] <bil21al> bazhang i want to know the milestone of my oneiric??
[18:03] <bhavesh_> And any download from Software Centre gets stuck too
[18:04] <josePHPagoda> bhavesh_: apt-get update
[18:04] <josePHPagoda> well
[18:04] <josePHPagoda> sudo apt-get update
[18:04] <bhavesh_> right
[18:07] <alexander__> hello
[18:07] <bazhang> hi
[18:07] <bazhang> !bugs | alexander__
[18:08] <jbicha> !schedule | bil21al
[18:09] <alexander__> hmm
[18:10] <alexander__> I'm not shure how I can use ubuntu-bug
[18:10] <alexander__> its the plasma widget for networkmanagement
[18:12] <macer1> is gnome3.2 in oneiric yet?
[18:12] <jtaylor_> macer1: yes
[18:13] <bjsnider> yes
[18:13] <macer1> are you sure that not 3.1.9x?
[18:13] <d3m0nK> when will be the oneiric release?
[18:13] <macer1> !11.10
[18:13] <macer1> hmm
[18:13] <macer1> it does not show release date
[18:13] <macer1> !oneiric
[18:13] <charlie-tca> !schedule
[18:13] <macer1> !oneiric
[18:13] <macer1> ubottu: !oneiric
[18:14] <macer1> ok 11.10 is alias to oneiric...
[18:14] <d3m0nK> its almost november here
[18:14] <d3m0nK> :/
[18:14] <bjsnider> macer1, i assure you it is 3.2
[18:15] <jtaylor_> hi guy from the future
[18:15] <IdleOne> you in some other Universe?
[18:15] <charlie-tca> d3m0nK: Do you skip October?
[18:15] <d3m0nK> yeah
[18:15] <d3m0nK> :)
[18:15] <d3m0nK> damn
[18:15] <d3m0nK> I though it would be out by now
[18:16] <IdleOne> bhavesh_: Did you get the package install sorted it out?
[18:16] <d3m0nK> 11.04 feels so OLD
[18:16] <bhavesh_> IdleOne, no
[18:16] <IdleOne> Can you pastebin the error you are getting and also what have you tried so far?
[18:16] <bhavesh_> IdleOne, Still updating through "sudo apt-get update"
[18:16] <d3m0nK> ok I'm gonna sleep then
[18:16] <d3m0nK> :)
[18:17] <IdleOne> bhavesh_: ok well that is progress :)
[18:17] <IdleOne> d3m0nK: see you in January
[18:17] <bhavesh_> IdleOne, I think I wont be able to complete it, its like 250mb.. which takes a long time to download
[18:17] <d3m0nK> I've been using Arch... since Ubuntu fell into dark ages with Unity
[18:18] <IdleOne> so from dark age to stone age
[18:18] <IdleOne> :P
[18:18] <jbicha> d3m0nK: you can Ubuntu without using Unity
[18:18] <d3m0nK> jbicha, yeah I know... but I'm not sure what to expect from Ubuntu as a distro now
[18:18] <nhaines> d3m0nK: http://www.thisisthecountdown.com/
[18:19] <d3m0nK> Unity is not mature enough to be part of  a stable linux OS
[18:19] <d3m0nK> :/
[18:19] <IdleOne> stability, awesome community/wiki/forum support, choice of DE with the 5 official flavors...
[18:19] <sc> Ubuntu Software Center says Net connection not available if I connect using wvdial? Is there any solution to this? I am on Ubuntu 11.10 beta2
[18:19] <jbicha> Arch isn't really a stable linux OS either...
[18:19] <d3m0nK> I've used Ubuntu since its earliest versions I believe... and I fully support it..
[18:19] <jbicha> what is this stability you speak of?
[18:20] <bhavesh_> IdleOne, Can I close terminal when sudo apt-get update is ON, if I need to close my computer?
[18:20] <d3m0nK> jbicha, the interface itself...
[18:20] <d3m0nK> try plugging a couple of monitors with unity and start using virtualization
[18:20] <d3m0nK> you'll see exactly what a mess it is
[18:20] <d3m0nK> I hope it gets fixed
[18:20] <bjsnider> d3m0nK, is arch using gnome-shell?
[18:20] <IdleOne> bhavesh_: ctrl-c will cancel whatever process is in progress if you really need to do that.
[18:21] <d3m0nK> because I like Unity... at least the concept of it
[18:21] <bhavesh_> IdleOne, k ty :)
[18:21] <IdleOne> bhavesh_: but the update will be stopped
[18:21] <d3m0nK> bjsnider, arch is what you make of it
[18:21] <d3m0nK> anyway Im not here to talk about Arch
[18:21] <bjsnider> you don't have to use unity in ubuntu
[18:21] <IdleOne> !notunity
[18:22] <alexander__> has someone kubuntu 11.10 running
[18:22] <d3m0nK> I just dropped in for the  "What's up Ubuntu!" thingy :)
[18:22] <d3m0nK> hehe
[18:22] <nhaines> I didn't have any trouble using Unity with two monitors.
[18:22] <nhaines> Or with virtualization, although I didn't do both at once.
[18:22] <IdleOne> alexander__: I was up until last night when I did an update and everything seemed to be broken. any app i tried to run would start and then die within 3 seconds
[18:22] <d3m0nK> whois alexander__
[18:22] <d3m0nK> :)
[18:23] <d3m0nK> oh
[18:23] <d3m0nK> not the alexander__ i was hoping to find here
[18:23] <d3m0nK> hehe
[18:23] <d3m0nK> nhaines, maybe it got fixed
[18:23] <nhaines> d3m0nK: what was "broken"?
[18:24] <d3m0nK> it used to have the top bar popping on top of full screen virtualized systems...
[18:24] <d3m0nK> with multiple screens
[18:24] <d3m0nK> the bug wasn't even given a good priority level back then
[18:25] <d3m0nK> several other small bugs were there specially with desktop effects enabled...
[18:26] <nhaines> Desktop effects are always enabled in Unity.
[18:26] <d3m0nK> anyway the 11.04 Ubuntu with Unity was quite a mess... as most would agree...
[18:26] <d3m0nK> nhaines, the extras man
[18:26] <IdleOne> alexander__: what issues are you having?
[18:27] <d3m0nK> I have Oneiric running on my laptop tho... the beta...
[18:27] <d3m0nK> so far looks much improved :)
[18:27] <IdleOne> alexander__: better to state your problem in here so that others might help if they know.
[18:27] <IdleOne> or disconnect and leave us in the dark
[18:27] <penguin42> grrr this power save thing is annoying
[18:28] <IdleOne> how do I switch DM again?
[18:29] <IdleOne> want to go from lightDM to KDM
[18:29] <jbicha> sudo dpkg-reocnfigure lightdm
[18:29] <IdleOne> thanks
[18:29] <jbicha> reconfigure
[18:30] <d3m0nK> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/742020
[18:30] <d3m0nK> Low Priority still?
[18:30] <d3m0nK> I dunno why Interface issues end up in Low Priority
[18:31] <d3m0nK> :(
[18:31] <d3m0nK> It's as critical as any
[18:31] <jtaylor> the description seems very low
[18:31] <jtaylor> minor optical almost nobody will notice
[18:32] <jtaylor> also I'm not affected in oneiric
[18:32] <d3m0nK> jtaylor, that is one of the many Unity bugs which are in "Low Priority"... since 11.04
[18:32] <d3m0nK> want me to dig more?
[18:33] <penguin42> d3m0nK: If it doesn't actually stop you doing anything it's normally low priority - of course it would be good to fix everything but ones that only look bad are lower
[18:33] <d3m0nK> almost all of them are Virtualization and Dual Screen related
[18:33] <d3m0nK> :(
[18:33] <jtaylor> if it bothers you fix it
[18:33] <jtaylor> thats how open source works
[18:33] <jtaylor> there are more important issues for the devs to work on
[18:33] <d3m0nK> jtaylor, I wish I could... I'm not into that :)
[18:34] <kronos> I tried upgrading to oneiric from natty. But my internet connection got disconnected. When i try it again, the update-manager closes after the first step. Please help.
[18:34] <IdleOne> back on kde :)
[18:34] <IdleOne> things seem fixed now.
[18:34] <jtaylor> kronos: you could try to upgrade via the command line
[18:34] <jtaylor> but first start update-manger in the console and see if there are any errors
[18:35] <kronos> jtaylor, ok. will do that. thnx. will the upgrade continue from where it disconnected or will it start again ?
[18:35] <jtaylor> it will continue
[18:36] <jtaylor> even from partially downloaded packages
[18:36] <bjsnider> the ubuntu monospace font letter "i" looks awful funny
[18:36] <jtaylor> as long as you don't delete the cache
[18:37] <d3m0nK> bjsnider, if you find it awful fix it :)
[18:37] <d3m0nK> that is the way open source works
[18:37] <d3m0nK> hehe
[18:37] <d3m0nK> jtaylor, no offense! :)
[18:40] <bhavesh_> IdleOne, Everything is working now.. I think I just did rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock &  sudo dpkg --configure -a
[18:40] <IdleOne> bhavesh_: glad to hear it :)
[18:41] <nhaines> bjsnider: the mono 'i' grows on you pretty quick.
[18:42] <nhaines> I didn't like it all when I saw the blog post about it, but having used it for a couple months it's nice.
[19:15] <blizzow> I ran update manager today.  It said I had about 250MB of downloads to install.  The upgrade has been going for the last 4 hours or so.  My hard drive light has been on nearly the whole time.  I don't see any problems in dmesg with the disk.  I do however see a debconf -c <defunct> process in Z state in top.  The upgrade is about 2/3 through, but yikes.  I don't want my drive to blow a gasket.
[19:15] <blizzow> anyone have any suggestions?
[19:16] <ikonia> the installs hung
[19:16] <ikonia> hence the defunct process
[19:17] <blizzow> ikonia: the installation window shows progress.
[19:17] <blizzow> It's slowly chugging through it.
[19:17] <blizzow> Just ever so slowly
[19:20] <jbicha> upgrades do take a few hours though
[19:24] <blizzow> I've never seen Ubuntu take this long to upgrade.
[19:24] <blizzow> It's been pretty harsh.
[19:25] <blizzow> I've also never seen Ubuntu take 5+ minutes to get to a login window.  Which it is doing for me at the moment.
[19:25] <blizzow> :(
[19:28] <bjsnider> nhaines, it looks like an l with trash above it
[19:29] <Spirit55555> Hey, I need some help getting Skype working again after I updated my computer today
[19:30] <Spirit55555> People can only hear fractions of what I'm saying
[19:41] <swat_> i'm highly confused
[19:41] <swat_> i've been running unity 2d on my samsung nc10, in oneiric for sometime
[19:41] <swat_> it's felt 'laggy'
[19:41] <swat_> best way i can describe it to use
[19:41] <swat_> i've switched to unity 'proper' and it's a lot more responsive
[19:41] <swat_> go figure.
[19:45] <swat_> is it possible that unity is stabilising faster in the main branch than 2d
[19:45] <swat_> in which case we could end up with the slightly insane situation where someone with a lower-spec machine is actually better off choosing the main unity over the suppposedly more lightweight implementation
[19:46] <bjsnider> swat_, it certainly seems to be the case in your circumstances
[19:47] <swat_> yeah, it is very weird...
[19:55] <jbwiv> anyone know how to get unity2d to work reliably across three monitors in 11.10? I can login but can't seem to click anything
[20:08] <josePHPagoda> jbwiv: what are you using to drive the 3 monitors (just curious)
[20:10] <jbwiv> josePHPagoda: two nvidia cards
[20:10] <blizzow> A steering wheel and some unleaded.
[20:10] <jbwiv> blizzow: that too ;-)
[20:12] <josePHPagoda> i was wondering if you were able to get something like a quadro driving 3 screens
[20:12] <josePHPagoda> (rumor is that the open drivers can do it, and that the closed drivers can't)
[20:12] <josePHPagoda> wanting to confirm
[20:12] <josePHPagoda> but I don't have 3 screens
[20:12] <josePHPagoda> just two
[20:12] <josePHPagoda> :-(
[20:13] <h00k> I lol'd at the 'steering wheel and unleaded'. Just sayin'
[20:14] <IdleOne> would get better mileage if you convert it to diesel
[20:14] <josePHPagoda> you could even run it on used vegetable oil
[20:16] <metellius> my system has been pretty handicapped for about a month now; both amd64 entries and i386-versions of packages show up in aptitude, and any attempt at upgrading most packages make it go wild trying to remove tons of packages, such as libc6 etc. in addition, aptitude often spews out messages on top of the curses interface about errors in internal solver
[20:16] <metellius> is it supposed to have both 64bit and 32bit packages like that?
[20:16] <metellius> I can't see any traces of any such selection in my sources.list
[20:17] <jtaylor> its supposed to be like that
[20:17] <jtaylor> should be set in /etc/dpkg/dgpk.conf or its subdirs
[20:17] <jtaylor> but the removing of libc etc should not be :/
[20:18] <metellius> multiarch stuff
[20:18] <metellius> I guess thats that
[20:18] <jtaylor> yes
[20:18] <metellius> I have no idea what makes it want to remove all those packages though
[20:18] <yofel> aptitude can't handle conflicts + multiarch
[20:18] <metellius> so far I've been using just apt-get to work around it
[20:18] <metellius> aha
[20:18] <jtaylor> ot works with apt-get?
[20:18] <yofel> bug 831768
[20:19] <jtaylor> ah aptitude fault k
[20:19] <metellius> aaaaaah
[20:19] <yofel> disable multiarch (unless you need it) and aptitude will work fine
[20:19] <metellius> was there ever a discussion whether it was a bad idea to turn on by default?
[20:20] <jtaylor> by disabling it you might lose some propriatary packages like skype and flash
[20:20] <yofel> if you don't have it on skype and flash are uninstallable by now
[20:20] <metellius> hmm
[20:20] <metellius> synaptic also fails as a sidenote
[20:22] <metellius> or actually, never mind, I just didn't understand the problem before
[20:23] <metellius> now I see that it actually does separate the multiarch stuff
[20:23] <metellius> thanks a lot guys, this cleared it up for me
[20:35] <soee> is there ubunut one client for kubuntu ?
[20:40] <yofel> there isn't
[20:40] <genii-around> I thought apachelogger was working on one
[20:40] <yofel> he did as a GSoC project once, but had no intention to keep up with the ever changing u1 API
[20:41] <genii-around> Ah
[20:41] <yofel> and until there's a ubuntu-sso-client written in Qt and ksecretserviced is done writing a kubuntu client is a bit unpractical
[21:13] <tensorpudding> what thing do you suppose i should restart if my cursor freezes
[21:13] <tensorpudding> also, strangely, the window that was open reverted to a primitive gtk theme
[21:13] <tensorpudding> but only that window
[21:15] <tensorpudding> no segfaults, panics or drm failures in the dmesg log
[21:15] <tensorpudding> this one's a puzzler
[21:16] <mongy> so all of a sudden my video tearing just went away when playing videos using fglrx.   please god let it be for real and for all time.
[21:16] <tensorpudding> hmm
[21:16] <tensorpudding> media keys don't work either
[21:21] <Nattgew> if I wanted to install a custom rhythmbox plugin, is /usr/share/rhythmbox/plugins the place?
[21:26] <nhaines> bjsnider: give it a few days.  :)
[21:28] <FernandoMiguel> after release I'm gonna do a clean install
[21:28] <FernandoMiguel> gonna try a minimal install
[21:29] <FernandoMiguel> just not sure if I'll stay with Ubuntu
[21:43] <nhaines> FernandoMiguel: what other distros are you looking at?
[21:59] <FernandoMiguel> nhaines: mainly debian based
[21:59] <FernandoMiguel> either I keep a very limited Ubuntu desktop
[21:59] <FernandoMiguel> or go with Debian Unstable
[22:00] <nhaines> FernandoMiguel: Debian's pretty nice.  :)
[22:01] <FernandoMiguel> I know
[22:01] <FernandoMiguel> I miss it
[22:01] <Rods_Tiger> something's wrong with my ubuntu oneiric machine since the last update this afternoon. The monitor's off, and it's completely uncontactable on the network, as if it's switched itself off or gone to sleep or something. It never used to do this until now, it was always on.
[22:02] <FernandoMiguel> Rods_Tiger: mine is fine
[22:02] <Rods_Tiger> oh, that's okay then.
[22:02] <IdleOne> lol
[22:03] <nhaines> Rods_Tiger: Try this to shutdown the machine safely.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key#.E2.80.9CREISUB.E2.80.9D_.E2.80.93_safe_reboot
[22:04] <Rods_Tiger> I can't reach it easily. I do it all from the terminal on my Mac.
[22:07] <nhaines> Rods_Tiger: how long does the system run before it locks up?
[22:08] <Rods_Tiger> forever
[22:09] <Rods_Tiger> then I did an update, now it's gone
[22:14] <nhaines> Rods_Tiger: you will need to restart the machine before troubleshooting can proceed.
[22:23] <Rods_Tiger> I'll try it tomorrow then, I might be able to move things around to get nearer it. Ta.
[22:48] <atari2600a> so, new problem today
[22:48] <atari2600a> computer is not paying attention to 'never suspend'
[22:48] <atari2600a> wat do?
[22:49] <atari2600a> this is a critical issue for me because this machine is used as a server 1/2 the time
[22:50] <jbicha> atari2600a: that bug is high priority and is being worked on
[22:51] <atari2600a> jbicha, any current workarounds?
[22:51] <atari2600a> first I thought my computer overheated & killed itself
[22:51] <atari2600a> which is unlikely but possible
[22:51] <atari2600a> but then blinkenlights D:
[22:52] <DeviceZer0> just updated my 11.10 install and rebooted...no i have no sound :(
[22:52] <DeviceZer0> any  ideas?
[22:53] <atari2600a> DeviceZer0, make sure you aren't muted
[22:53] <jbicha> atari2600a: I don't know, it might even be fixed with bug 863038
[22:54] <atari2600a> it's happened to me a few times :P
[22:54] <DeviceZer0> atari2600a, yea..i had sound before and i dont think it got muted
[22:54] <atari2600a> well, leaving now thanks jbicha
[22:55] <DeviceZer0> !sound
[23:03] <DeviceZer0> ugh. Nothing is getting my sound working :(
[23:03] <DeviceZer0> It worked fine 45 mins ago
[23:03] <DeviceZer0> then updated and rebooted...now i get no sound at all
[23:07] <DeviceZer0> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/863593
[23:07] <saulotoledo> Hello! After a upgrade to +1 and a system restart my system do not boot anymore. I can enter system recover (level 1) but ifconfig do not show my eth0 LAN card, and I cant recover my system.... Somebody can help me to recover at leas my nerwork card?
[23:08] <urlin2u> saulotoledo, what's the card?
[23:08] <saulotoledo> The main error: "unable to connect to system bus: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: Connection refused"
[23:10] <saulotoledo> urlin2u: Ethernet Controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B... (from lspci)
[23:10] <saulotoledo> Running kernel 3.0.0-12-generic
[23:10] <saulotoledo> x86_64
[23:11] <urlin2u> not sure on the first error, realteks are problematic overall, hopefully somebody can help. :D
[23:12] <saulotoledo> urlin2u: ok :)
[23:14] <penguin42> saulotoledo: if you do ifconfig -a what do you see (don't paste it all!)
[23:16] <saulotoledo> penguin42: I can't paste, I'n in my netbook to come to chat xD    I can see eth0 and lo :D
[23:16] <penguin42> saulotoledo: Good - the fact that you can see eth0 is promising
[23:17] <saulotoledo> penguin42: ifconfig eth0 up worked!!!! let me test!
[23:17] <DeviceZer0> rebooting to a older kernel seems to have fixed sound
[23:17] <DeviceZer0> :}
[23:17] <penguin42> saulotoledo: the system bus thing is a little odd; when do you get that?
[23:20] <saulotoledo> penguin42: I dont know in reality, I just updated to oneiric, updated some packages (gno me and KDE and some libs) and shutdown my computer.... Now my system stops with "Waiting for network config" at boot and when press F2 I see this message a lot of times... and my system do not boot. I can acess Ctrl+Alt+F1 and use the system in text mode
[23:21] <penguin42> hmm - do systems normally wait for netowkr config during boot?
[23:21] <penguin42> saulotoledo: Was this an upgrade from 11.04 ? Did you do anything odd to it?
[23:22] <DeviceZer0> Iam using the nvidia driver...it worked fine...i updated my system which updated the kernel..and the nvidia driver works fine with the newer kernel...however sound does not work in the new kernel so im booted into the older kernel...and sound works..however the nvidia driver does not seem to be working
[23:22] <DeviceZer0> how i can reinstall the driver for this kernel?
[23:24] <saulotoledo> penguin42: Yes, from 11.04.... But I have some extra repositories at source.list... But I'm not certainly about, the repositories are for VLC Player, Wine, X Updates, Unetbootin, Medibuntu, Openshot, Google Stable and Webmin
[23:25] <penguin42> saulotoledo: Bad move! it's always a good idea to take the extra repos out before update and hten add them back
[23:26] <saulotoledo> penguin42: Maibe the problem come with them.... :(  I've added them after system upgrade.... Do you have some idea about what package could cause the dbus error?
[23:27] <saulotoledo> *Maybe
[23:27] <penguin42> saulotoledo: Well, dbus I think
[23:28] <penguin42> saulotoledo: I suspect though ti might be an ordering problem with upstart rules - something waiting for networking before it should maybe
[23:30] <saulotoledo> penguin42: My dbus package it's from oneiric repository... I don't know well how this works, could you direct me to another package to check?
[23:30] <penguin42> saulotoledo: upstart I guess, but I would try doing initctl list   and seeing what state all the jobs are in - but I'm no good at debugging upstart
[23:33] <saulotoledo> upstart and initramfs are from oneiric too. My network it's working after up eth0 and configure route and nameserver. I will enter this room from there to paste info
[23:36] <saulotoledo> penguin42: http://pastebin.com/ssSXCtyU
[23:41] <saulotoledo> penguin42: This list is just a list of symbols for me... :_(
[23:41] <blizzow> I'm suffering epic boot times in oneiric (5-10minutes).  Anyone know if this is common or what might be causing such long boot times?
[23:41] <penguin42> saulotoledo: I know what many of them are, just not how to debug startup
[23:42] <penguin42> blizzow: I've not seen anyone else say it to do
[23:42] <penguin42> today
[23:42] <blizzow> It's been going on for me for a week or two now.
[23:43] <blizzow> At one point the ubuntu start screen comes up and says waiting an extra 60 seconds for network configuration.
[23:43] <penguin42> blizzow: you can look for gaps in the boot messages, use boot chart or try booting without the splash and see if you can see where it hangs
[23:47] <saulotoledo> penguin42: Another boot error: warning: /etc/resolv.conf it's not a symbolic link to /etc/resolvconf/run/resolv.conf
[23:47] <yofel> DeviceZer0: sudo dkms autoinstall should work
[23:47] <saulotoledo> penguin42: Can I fix manually?
[23:47] <yofel> DeviceZer0: although I'm not sure if that's the right syntax
[23:48] <penguin42> saulotoledo: I don't know - it's not a symlink for me! Did you manually setup networking with webmin?
[23:48] <DeviceZer0> yofel, i ended up uninstaling the package and reinstalling it
[23:48] <DeviceZer0> which worked
[23:48] <yofel> yeah, that would trigger dkms as well ^^
[23:49] <bandit5432> change the time format to 12 hour instead of 24?
[23:49] <saulotoledo> penguin42: Maybe from old natty install, but since upgrade I don't opn Webmin
[23:49] <saulotoledo> *open
[23:49] <penguin42> saulotoledo: It looks from the errors like something has upset the network config, from the list of extra stuff you installed webmin seemed the most likely
[23:50] <bandit5432> settings>date and time>AM/PM will not stay selected
[23:50] <saulotoledo> penguin42: I will remove it now
[23:51] <bandit5432> do i need to disable network time?
[23:51] <bandit5432> that does not work
[23:52] <saulotoledo> penguin42: webmin purged, but the error continues :_(
[23:53] <penguin42> sorry, not sure what to suggests
[23:54] <bandit5432> i must be slow or something
[23:58] <bandit5432> :|