[00:01] I think the last ones screwed up a lot of things. [00:02] I just checked my history, and 6 different libcanberra packages were updated. [00:02] Guess that's why firefox and chrome are both having problems with libcanberra [00:03] Hello! Where I find information about the news into Oneiric? Gnome3 will come? [00:03] Still not sure what part of the upgrade it was that removed kubuntu-desktop [00:07] saulotoledo: gnome3 is in, yes, but you have to install it yourself [00:08] I'm also getting: [3:3:10055872307:ERROR:nss_util.cc(397)] Error initializing NSS without a persistent database: libsoftokn3.so: cannot open shared object file: Permission denied [00:09] from chrome [00:09] after updating [00:10] graft: I saw Gnome 3.2 and was thinking update, but on Natty I only find ricotz repository with testing packages. If I download Oineric beta now I can install oficial packages? [00:16] xserver-xorg-input-synaptics update available [00:16] anyone done it yet? [00:17] saulotoledo, 3.2 won't be in 11.10 [00:17] saulotoledo: looks like it... gnome shell is still 3.1.92, but the rest of it is 3.2.0, looks legit [00:18] 3.2 is already in oneiric [00:19] escott_, graft, bjsnider: thanks!! :D [00:19] ok nevermind... i thought 3.2 was too late for the cutoff [00:20] no, because it has been in use all along, in dev versions, with bugs being tracked. it isn't a new surprise [00:22] it's in the repository, it's not actually in the distribution [00:29] Hmmm. Firefox works if I run sudo firefox, but not if I run it as a regular user. [00:31] Guess thats what libsoftokn3.so: cannot open shared object file: Permission denied means. [00:31] Wonder how the upgrade googed that up [00:34] len, ls -l /usr/lib/firefox-7.0.1/libsoftokn3.so [00:35] It's set to: -rw-rw-r-- 1 root root [00:35] What is it supposed to be? [00:36] you've got 664, i've got 644 [00:37] what about ls -l /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/nss/libsoftokn3.so [00:38] I think it has something to do with SSL [00:41] len, you have bug 862780 [00:41] Launchpad bug 862780 in Ubuntu "gtk apps no longer working after this morning's updates" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/862780 [00:42] len: never run Firefox as sudo, it's a really bad idea [00:43] you probably changed some of your userland config files to root's ownership === Logan_ is now known as RebeccaBlack [00:45] I never do, I just did this one time to see if it would load, since the error mentioned permissions [00:46] Hope it didn't muck it up too bad. Which files would it have changed permissions on? [00:47] I mean ownership [00:47] well, you'd better check .cache, .config, and .local [00:48] len: you can run ls -l .mozilla to see if any thing is owned by root [00:48] firefox subdirectories if they exist [00:48] you can also run tests like that with a new temporary user [00:49] I've not tried it so I can't walk you through it, if you use Firefox Sync you could also move our old .mozilla/firefox to .mozilla/firefox-old and just restore from the Cloud [00:50] looks like everything in .mozilla is still used by my user account. I'm guessing nothing got changed because it crashed before it could change any ownerships. :) [00:54] Luckily Opera still works, so I'm using that. [00:54] well my Firefox is working here so not sure what's broken on your end [00:56] Oh, wait a minute, FF Didn't crash when I ran Sudo Firefox, so it could have changed some ownerships. Looks like it didn't though. I just opened it and shut it down immediately though. [00:58] It does sound like 86270, but it don't think it applies to all gtk apps just ones accessing the Internet, because of some permissions issue with SSL [00:59] I wonder if it's some kind of policy issue rather than file-level permissions [01:01] j #ubuntu-offtopic [01:01] I upgraded on two machines. The both get errors after upgrade, but ff and chrome still continue to launch on one, and not on the other. I think two different issues where created with the last updates. One has both, and the other just one. [01:02] You won't see the show-stopper issue unless you run from a command line. [01:02] Hello! I'm trying update ubuntu to +1, I have the ISO file, but I want update without restart the system. Running "update-manager -d" I can install from Internet, but how can I add the ISO file to don't download the files again? [01:02] len: what's error? there's an update today, maybe you should check [01:02] saulotoledo: is that an alternate ISO? [01:03] Stanley00: It's the beta2 iso file :D [01:03] saulotoledo: I mean, is it an desktop or an alternate ISO? [01:04] I'll bet you have the libcanberra-gtk-module.so error. That one doesn't stop the show. It's the "Error initializing NSS without a persistent database: libsoftokn3.so: cannot open shared object file: Permission denied [01:04] Error initializing NSS without a persistent database: libsoftokn3.so: cannot open shared object file: Permission denied" error that keeps the browsers from loading. [01:04] len: downgrade libcanberra-gtk-module [01:04] what you're having is bug 862553 [01:04] Launchpad bug 862553 in libcanberra (Ubuntu) "Latest libcanberra update causes Firefox and Thunderbird to crash on startup" [Critical,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/862553 [01:04] Stanley00: Ah ok! It's desktop [01:05] saulotoledo: you cant upgrade with an desktop image, if you want upgrade off-line, use an alternate iso instead. [01:05] len: also, google-chrome dies with the same libcanberra error after the NSS errors [01:06] Stanley00: Ok. :) I'm downloading the ISO (it's faster than the net upgrade). And how can I proceed with this iso? I can so just mounting? [01:06] OK, I wonder why the other machine I updated also gets the libcnberra error (can see if I run from a terminal) but loads anyway, but other machine the browsers halt? [01:07] saulotoledo: but you will have to update via internet after you upgrade your system. [01:07] Machine that works only gets the libcanberra error, but not the NSS errors [01:08] hm, not sure, here they die too with the symbol error, and I get no NSS errors [01:08] Stanley00: no problem, at least I can see oneiric running already while the upgrade continues xD [01:09] NSS error are just with chrome [01:09] saulotoledo: ah, I know, here is how to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NattyUpgrades#Upgrading_Using_the_Alternate_CD.2BAC8-DVD [01:12] Stanley00: Thanks for help!!! :D [01:12] saulotoledo: np ;) [01:12] Stanley00: 3 minutes to download the ISO ^^ [01:13] saulotoledo: WOW! amazing!!! [01:30] nite === RebeccaBlack is now known as Logan_ [01:56] Evening. Got a weird issue with the desktop being shifted down a bit and to the right, and a lot of windows are "smeared" all over the space behind it. Clean install, a few hours old. Any ideas? [01:58] What command can I issue to restart the window manager? [01:58] myk_robinson, yes its a bug 862743 [01:58] Launchpad bug 862743 in unity (Ubuntu) "Desktop drawn with offset" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/862743 [01:59] thank you [02:00] I'll add my "Affects Me Too" to the list :) [02:02] do the 64/32 bit beta 2 isos contain different packages? [02:02] after i installed 64 bit in virtualbox yesterday, synaptic was installed by default [02:03] i just installed 32 bit and it isn't [02:04] Stanley00: Failure finding cdrom://Ubuntu 11.10 _Oneiric Ocelot_ - Beta amd64 (20110920.5)/dists/oneiric/main/binary-i386/Packages Please use apt-cdrom.... [02:04] Stanley00: Tryed a lot of times and do not worked :( [03:13] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-applet/+bug/862895 [03:13] Ubuntu bug 862895 in network-manager-applet (Ubuntu) "Lot of options are missing from network-manager-applet since last update" [Undecided,Confirmed] [03:13] What can I do to help troubleshoot this? [03:15] was hoping there'd be some sort of -d or -v switch with nm-applet, but don't see one. [03:16] jmcfarlane, so have you done any changes like in compiz? === Logan_ is now known as LOGAN_ [03:17] urlin2u: negative. === LOGAN_ is now known as Logan_ [03:18] urlin2u: took the recent batch of changes via apt-get, bounced the box. [03:18] I don't think I saw anything in /var/log/syslog that looked interesting either. [03:18] I haven't updated since last night, is that your bug report? [03:18] No, I did not file it. [03:19] it's interesting though [03:19] yeah [03:19] The kernel is loading my wifi nic, iwlist sees all the access points [03:19] nm-tool sees them too... [03:19] and the desktop being all jacked up (unrelated to the bug pasted above) [03:20] I presume that's specific to one of the compiz plugins, unrelated to the nm-applet issue I'd guess [03:21] only thing I have noticed is a screen blink last night when using the cube, seemed a bit strange. [03:21] jmcfarlane, bug 862743 [03:21] Launchpad bug 862743 in unity (Ubuntu) "Desktop drawn with offset" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/862743 [03:22] robin0800: haha, yeps. [03:24] The workaround in comment #12 does work for me (862743) === IdleOne is now known as Guest13541 [03:53] i'm considering filing a bug report, but I want to see if it's already been filed somewhere... The desktop isn't filling the fullscreen. It's only filling the bottom right. Everything is working as expected, except the desktop looks very odd with the wallpaper filling only the bottom right 2/3rds of the screen, and other windows looking really weird on the top and left. [03:55] josePHPagoda: already reported [03:55] is there a workaround? [03:55] do you know the bug so that i can attach myself to it? [03:55] josePHPagoda: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/862743 [03:55] Ubuntu bug 862743 in unity (Ubuntu) "Desktop drawn with offset" [Undecided,Confirmed] [03:55] yea, see the workaround mentioned in step #12 [03:57] ah [03:57] i see that now [03:57] and it works [03:57] seems like an odd workaround.. [04:01] josePHPagoda: out of curiosity, are you affected by: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-applet/+bug/862895 [04:01] Ubuntu bug 862895 in network-manager-applet (Ubuntu) "Lot of options are missing from network-manager-applet since last update" [Undecided,Confirmed] [04:01] let me look [04:01] it's not showing me the list of wireless network [04:01] s [04:03] is that what you are talking about? [04:03] jmcfarlane: ? [04:03] josePHPagoda: right. vpn connections don't show up either. [04:04] yeah [04:04] so yes, i can confirm that [04:04] You should mark that one as affecting you, if it does. [04:04] logging in now [04:05] done [04:07] any other bugs you need to have someone help confirm? [04:07] (i'm here tonight to try to squash the bugs) [04:08] also, am I understanding right that there are no more screensavers? [04:08] holy netsplit batman! [04:08] is everyone ok? === Tohuw is now known as Guest54940 [04:13] jmcfarlane: sorry, i got lost in the net split of death [04:14] are you still around? [04:17] well, i'm out for tonight [04:18] hey [04:18] so [04:18] sometime today my desktop was offset [04:18] & it in the void left is a buffer that doesn't refresh soy you get an effect like Windows XP just crashed [04:19] running nvidia-current [04:19] restart didn't help, restart session didn't help, & around the same time my nautilus theme went to shit too [04:19] atari2600a, bug 862743 [04:19] Launchpad bug 862743 in unity (Ubuntu Oneiric) "Desktop drawn with offset" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/862743 [04:19] but a little cleaning up in .gconf & I've got that fixed [04:20] bah, must not have hit google's spiders yet :P [04:20] atari2600a: gconf changes resulted in what being fixed? [04:21] the nautilus theme [04:22] tried the pkill workaround someone suggested but even after launching another nautilus instance I'm not getting my desktop icons back D: [04:23] bah, it's this new unity command launcher [04:23] hey, is there a way to launch a command from the shell OUT of the shell? I kinda haven't figured that out yet [04:23] (surprisingly) [04:24] I mean, I've been using Ubuntu for 5 years AND done a little gentoo :P [04:24] atari2600a: I don't understand the question, can you say again? [04:25] on windows IIRC the command is 'run', syntax run [command] & it'll start it as a background process [04:25] alt+f2 [04:25] how is that done in a UNIX-like system [04:25] ALT-F2 ISN'T WORKING I JUST SAID [04:25] D: [04:26] it's like unity says 'run command', you input the string & it's all k bye [04:26] Regardless, that's how it's done. This is the case with or without unity. [04:27] I'm sure it has been done before the invention of the GUI [04:28] if you just want to run a process in the background, put & after it. [04:29] someone on #sh just suggested but the shell still hosts, hold on [04:29] hi all! i installed the beta2 but it hangs during boot after starting cups. any ideas how to debug the problem? [04:30] tuukkah_, happened to me when installing, try ctrl-alt-F1, login, pkill cups [04:30] atari2600a: you an also use nohup [04:30] nohup some-program & [04:31] awesome [04:31] got it now [04:31] though in retrospect I should have just restarted the session, but I'd still get the offset probably [04:31] atari2600a, the login processes aren't running here at that point :-( [04:32] tuukkah_, if you have services starting you should be able to alt-f1 into a login prompt [04:32] anyways I'm leaving [04:34] i apt-get removed cups for testing, and it's still hanging. now the last message is * Stopping enable remaining boot-time encrypted block devices [OK] [04:36] probably unrelated error messages i see: Bad LUN (0:2) Bad target numer (1:0) [04:37] could be related: udevd[103]: inotify_add_watch(6, /dev/dm-1, 10) failed: No such file or directory [04:40] in a rescue shell, i can see that the files /dev/dm-{1,2,3,4,5,6,7} exist though [04:52] tuukkah_, long shot, but what fs type? [04:56] Is everyone's wallpaper drawing ok today? [04:57] :/ [04:57] Mine seems to like keeping the minimized applications drawn onscreen but blurry. When the are restored they become sharp. Like a ghost app [04:58] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/862743 [04:58] Ubuntu bug 862743 in unity (Ubuntu Oneiric) "Desktop drawn with offset" [Critical,Fix committed] [04:58] lol "system problem detected" about every 10 seconds [04:59] magn3ts: if you're affted by this please mark it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/862743 [04:59] Ubuntu bug 862743 in unity (Ubuntu Oneiric) "Desktop drawn with offset" [Critical,Fix committed] [04:59] jmcfarlane, sorry, not seeing that at the moment, [04:59] Damn thats fast :) [04:59] plus I'm in a VM. [05:00] cwillu_at_work, root is /dev/dm-6 with ext4. /dev/dm-1 has the partition table [05:00] k, no idea then [05:00] magn3ts: sorry, was intended for ActionParsnip [05:01] the system uses fakeraid, is that still a source of problems? [05:01] ActionParsnip: are you affected by this one too: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/862895 [05:01] Ubuntu bug 862895 in network-manager-applet (Ubuntu) "Lot of options are missing from network-manager-applet since last update" [Undecided,Confirmed] [05:02] hey, anyone know how to get nautilus to stop showing the desktop and drawing the wallpaper? [05:02] i hate having file icons barfing all over my pristine backgrounds [05:02] graft, I believe there is an option in gconf-editor [05:02] magn3ts: that's what I believed, but then experience disabused me [05:02] magn3ts: there is such an option, but it doesn't do diddly [05:02] jmcfarlane: I never touch network manager once I have my wireless setup, so no idea [05:03] hehe good old nautilus [05:03] basically my favorite piece of software ever [05:03] pcmanfm does pretty much the smae thing, justlighter [05:03] graft, could try to start nautilus --no-desktop [05:03] wth? now my search bar is appearing behind my applications... woe is me [05:05] tuukkah_: that's nice, but it doesn't help me launch it from the launcher that way... [05:07] these overlay scrollbars are a nightmare [05:07] graft: turn them off and use normal bars then.... [05:07] ActionParsnip: you mean by removing the package, or is there a better way? [05:08] graft: there are guides online [05:08] ActionParsnip: yeah... i'm getting really annoyed by the lack of basic configuration options [05:08] graft: http://www.webupd8.org/2011/04/how-to-disable-overlay-scrollbars-in.html [05:09] graft: Ubuntu has tonnes of howto guides, dead easy to find. A simple websearch brings up THOUSANDS of hits... [05:14] graft: gnome-tweak-tool [05:14] will let you turn off "Have file manager handle the desktop" [05:16] ActionParsnip: i'm familiar with that solution, i just think it's terrible [05:17] graft: I guess [05:19] magn3ts: cool, that worked, thanks [05:30] anyone ever seen this: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/484908/ [05:31] just got that from lsb_release -a weird huh [05:31] from a user [05:40] self compiled kernel, thats why [05:48] ActionParsnip, doesn't that info come from the file /etc/lsb-release? [05:52] tuukkah_: lsb_release -a [05:52] interesting stuff [05:56] heyy [05:57] am16 f [05:57] you are in the wrong channel for that [05:57] this is not AOL [05:59] ActionParsnip, i mean lsb_release -a gets the info from the file /etc/lsb-release [06:00] * ActionParsnip remembers the AOL days [06:00] tuukkah_: makes sense [06:00] * ActionParsnip does a Connie voice "You have email" [06:01] my laptop's touchpad was disabled after I upgraded to Oneiric... what kind of bug should I file for that? [06:02] Nattgew: did you try unloading, then reloading the driver module? [06:03] Nattgew: do you have a shortcut or switch to disable / enable the touchpad? [06:03] ActionParsnip: I had to install gpointing-device-settings, and uncheck the "disabled" box [06:04] so the bug is that it got disabled... [06:05] Nattgew: what module is the tochpad using [06:06] Nattgew: can you run: sudo apt-get install pastebinit; lsmod | pastebinit what is the generated URL please [06:08] http://paste.ubuntu.com/699514/ [06:08] Nattgew: ok try: sudo modprobe -r psmouse; sleep 2; sudo modprobe psmouse [06:10] ActionParsnip: the touchpad is working, it's just that is got disabled during the upgrade [06:10] Nattgew: oh I thought it wasn't working NOW [06:12] ActionParsnip: no, sorry... just asking how I should report it getting disabled [06:12] Nattgew: the module is a kernel module, so my guess would be: ubuntu-bug linux-image-generic [06:13] ActionParsnip: thanks [06:20] np :) [06:24] hi, my compiz just hangs. Windows bell disappeard how to restore everything from console? [06:24] I mean the windows decoration with ability to minimize, close and so on [06:24] farciarz84, have you modified it? [06:25] no [06:25] I tried to run unity-windows-decorator without results [06:26] farciarz84, you can run unity --reset to set it staock [06:26] stock [06:27] nothing, compiz (expo) - Warn: failed to bind image to texture [06:28] GLib-WARNING **: In call to g_spawn_sync(), exit status of a child process was requested but SIGCHLD action was set to SIG_IGN and ECHILD was received by waitpid(), so exit status can't be returned. This is a bug in the program calling g_spawn_sync(); either don't request the exit status, or don't set the SIGCHLD action. [06:29] farciarz84: are you using an nvidia gpu? [06:30] ActionParsnip: no, sandy-bridge gpu (intel) [06:31] I got also this info: (metacity:3585): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "pixmap", [06:31] farciarz84: i see [06:36] ok machine restart helped a little bit ;) [06:51] hope someone will fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/863045 [06:51] Ubuntu bug 863045 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) "[sandybridge-gt1] GPU lockup render.IPEHR: 0xff2c001e" [Undecided,New] [06:57] hi.... unable to get skype... enabled multiarch... but still can't get it [06:57] zen_: grab skype from the skype website, it has Ubuntu debs..... [06:58] but for the older version [06:58] zen_: so you want an older version of skype? [06:58] no [06:58] the latest.... i said on skype.com we have older skype for 10.10 [06:58] not for 11.10 [06:59] or the 10.10 version works fine on 11.10 ? [06:59] zen_: the site has 2.2.0.35-1 [06:59] zen_: that's the latest Linux client [07:00] greetings [07:00] hi SilentDis [07:00] anyone using the beta regularly? [07:01] SilentDis: I use it daily [07:01] k .... but it says that one is for ubuntu 10.10 [07:01] and i have 11.10 beta 2 [07:01] i just intalled [07:01] zen_: its the same, they just label it stupid [07:01] k thanks [07:01] zen_: grab the one that matches your arch, you may need to run: sudo apt-get -f install to fix deps [07:02] k [07:02] ActionParsnip: how is it? did you upgrade from 11.04? minor annoyances, major breaks? I'm considering tossing it on my main box now is all, looking for a first impression :) [07:03] SilentDis: fine and I ALWAYS clean install to avoid complications with old configs causing issues. No serious breaks so far. Pidgin sounds causing pidgin to hang and 1 weird compiz issue are all I've had [07:03] SilentDis: but my hardware is SUPER linux friendly so I think that kinda helps [07:04] ActionParsnip: that's not a bad idea, the clean install. /home is on a seperate drive, after all. I've been running since... 5.10 i think... and this build is linux-friendly as well. [07:05] ActionParsnip: hey wait... isn't there some utility that kinda 'helps' with that? generates a script to allow for fast reinstall of everything you currently have on a new install? I seem to remember such a thing... === nathan_ is now known as crshbndct [07:09] !clone [07:09] To replicate your packages selection on another machine (or restore it if re-installing), you can type « aptitude --display-format '%p' search '?installed!?automatic' > ~/my-packages », move the file "my-packages" to the other machine, and there type « sudo xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < my-packages ; sudo aptitude install » - See also !automate [07:09] you'll need to install aptitude if you don't already have it (its not in a default install now) [07:09] ActionParsnip: thanks! [07:09] oh wow, latest unity updates have screwed up my desktop big time [07:09] ActionParsnip: that's not a problem. i'm actually a kubuntu user (have been since 6.06). don't kick me! *blush* [07:10] http://imgur.com/I44C6 [07:10] SilentDis: I use it with my media box, works well with nvidia [07:11] sagaci: run: pkill nautilus then open and close nautilus [07:11] sagaci: I had the same, run updates and reboot [07:12] time to grab the cd image :) [07:14] sagaci: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/862743 [07:14] Ubuntu bug 862743 in unity "Desktop drawn with offset" [Critical,Fix committed] [07:14] ActionParsnip, is it in -proposed or something [07:15] sagaci: when you get unity 4.20.0-0ubuntu2 it will go [07:15] sagaci: but the pkill nautilus thing seems to fix it for most [07:16] yeah, mine's still ubuntu1, i'll try adding -proposed [07:18] still not in proposed but the workaround is fine for now === ubott2 is now known as ubottu === oCean is now known as Guest76700 === oli is now known as Guest32743 === Guest76700 is now known as oCean [08:53] its an offtopic... so ignore it.... and pls don't mind.... do any of you know.... any tool to convert ms sql to my sql [08:54] zen_: #mysql i would try [08:54] k [08:54] thanks i am also heading to #mysql [08:54] i m on a project with .net and mssql... and try to convert over to php/myql [08:54] ;) [08:55] zen_: sounds good to use free software :) [09:00] Hey there [09:01] I'm running 11.10 beta2, and I really have a hard time with blender shortcuts. The WM seems to preempt on blender, so it catches hotkeys before blender. [09:01] Is there any know config setting for the application to have the priority on keyboard shortcuts? [09:06] Ok, I'm trying something, having to relog === timblechmann is now known as tim [09:12] re [09:21] mamooth: could try setting differnet shortcuts for compiz, reducing compiz plugins will make this easier [09:24] ActionParsnip, assigning the /apps/metacity/general/mouse_button_modifier to Ctrl Mod4 solves the problem. I don't know if the WM is supposed to let the app catch the keyboard hotkeys first? [09:25] mamooth: not sure personally [09:26] Well, at least, it works. Thanks :) === yofel_ is now known as yofel [09:31] hi, i´m running an lubuntu 11.10 and made an dist-upgrade [09:31] now there is no panel any more and i can´t open a window [09:31] any idea? [09:31] aqualuk: what video chip do you use? [09:32] aqualuk: what happens if you type "lxpanel&" in the shell? [09:34] iceroot: gtk warning cannot open display [09:34] ActionParsnip: intel [09:34] aqualuk: cool [09:34] aqualuk: is that a root-shell? [09:34] aqualuk: try: export DISPLAY=:0; lxpanel [09:35] iceroot: i try it as sudo [09:35] ActionParsnip: nothing happens [09:35] hmm, network manager applet is now broken, hence can't connect to Mobile Broadband [09:35] aqualuk: dont use sudo for that [09:36] aqualuk: never start something from your desktop as root [09:36] i also tried it without sudo [09:37] lol i tried is with sudo and now i have a panel over the login screen [09:39] now i have windows and a panel if i login as a user [09:39] but how can i repair my system? [09:40] aqualuk: its working right now istn it? [09:40] not really [09:40] the panel doesnt look normal [09:40] and i can´t shutdown with the logout button [09:48] any idea? [09:49] aqualuk: if you rename ~/.lxde and/or ~/.config/openbox and similar, you will get vanilla desktop settings [09:49] aqualuk: what exactly happened when you tried to run it without sudo? any errors? [09:51] aqualuk: also rename ~/.config/lxpanel [09:55] doesnt work [09:55] aqualuk, do you wan to restart your lxde panel [09:56] aqualuk: you'll need to log off and on [09:56] aqualuk: doesn't work is no error message [09:56] aqualuk, try lxpanelctl restart [09:57] yofel: which command? [09:57] sagaci: i can´t because i have no terminal in x [09:58] aqualuk: you can check ~/.xsession-erorrs for some useful information then maybe, as I don't know either how to restart a panel in X from a tty [09:58] aqualuk, try alt F2 [09:59] (although setting DISPLAY as aqualuk said should work) [09:59] errr ActionParsnip [10:00] sagaci: lxpanelctl restart brings a panal, but this panal dosen't work correctly. [10:01] logout is no possible, an error message appires 'logout command not set' [10:04] graphic is Intel GMA X4500HD [10:05] if i run export DISPLAY=:0; lxpanel, i have a panel and can open windows but it´s not the right panel [10:05] good luck [10:05] and i got this error: lxpanel : X error: BadWindow (invalid WIndow parameter) [10:06] sagaci: ? [10:13] ? [10:19] network manager applet only shows enable wireless enable mobile broadband and edit connections, no way to connect [10:21] has anyone else here tried gnome 3.2 and found that the option for unity disappeared from lightdm? [10:29] Uhm, is Alternate MAC install CD also good for non macs? [10:46] Hello, will there be no Gnome option next release? (ubuntu-classic?) [10:51] TacoDan, correct [10:51] sagaci: Will there ever be an offical release with the focus on Gnome? [10:51] (like Kubuntu = KDE) [10:52] Not likely, no. [10:53] so.. it's .. pretty much time to get off of ubuntu... [10:54] Well, I assume you will always be able to install the gnome shell in ubuntu, but if that is not enough, maybe. [10:54] sagaci, did you find a solution to the issue about network-manager not having the choice to connect to networks? i was able to enter the wireless info via config [10:55] Unity is still gnome at the core, just a different shell, and login manager... [10:55] tuukkah_, I can edit info, just can't connect since it doesn't come up with an option [10:55] arand_: is it possible to go ahead and download it now with the beta 2? [10:57] sagaci, here, the connection was established automatically after i had entered the config [10:57] TacoDan: You mean if it's easy to install gnome-shell instead in there, I do not know, there will likely be guides/PPAs readily available though. [10:58] arand_: I mean, can I go ahead and use Gnome right now? [10:58] instead of Unity [11:08] As far as I remember, on 11.10, just type sudo apt-get install gnome-shell [11:08] There's no need for PPAs at all [11:09] I don't know of which packages you'd need to install Gnome2 though, gnome-shell is Gnome3 [11:28] anyone know how unignore someone on xchat? i clicked the wrong option on an xchat dialog box and now boom!! gone [11:30] crshbndct: my memory might be wrong, but perhaps /ignore -theirnickhere [11:30] it does not bring back the messages you missed, though. [11:31] crshbndct: /unignore (on irssi) [11:37] Lynoure, i tried that, but it doesnt work. tried /unignore *@* but that didnt work either [11:38]