[00:00] <RAOF> Hm.
[00:00] <RAOF> Again.
[00:01] <jbicha> I got a crash with SIGSEGV PrivateWindow::addWindowStackChanges() which is supposedly fixed in today's Unity
[00:01] <jbicha> so maybe that was it, not sure whether I want today's Unity though... :(
[00:01] <mdeslaur> humm...today's updates broke unity on my aspire one
[00:02] <jbicha> http://paste.ubuntu.com/699403/ was the paste after Unity started
[00:05] <RAOF> mdeslaur: glxinfo for your aspire one?
[00:05] <mdeslaur> RAOF: one sec, I'm opening a bug with a couple of screenshots
[00:06] <jbicha> RAOF: maybe it was just Unity then, Unity did start after I rebooted too, it's just my first paste sounded similar to the code you were tweaking
[00:07] <RAOF> jbicha: It shouldn't be related to my code, but stranger bugs have existed :)
[00:08] <mdeslaur> RAOF: bug 862893
[00:08] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 862893 in unity "weird workspace regression in today's updates" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/862893
[00:10] <jbicha> mdeslaur: is that a dupe of bug 862743 ?
[00:10] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 862743 in unity "Desktop drawn with offset" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/862743
[00:11] <mdeslaur> jbicha: yep, that's exactly it
[00:11] <mdeslaur> jbicha: marking as dupe, thanks
[00:11] <mdeslaur> jbicha: let me know if I can help with this in any way
[00:11] <jbicha> mdeslaur: yeah, that's a nasty late one
[00:12] <jbicha> I disclaim any responsibility for Compiz/Unity ;-)
[00:12]  * mdeslaur looks around for didrocks
[00:17] <TheMuso> didrocks would be sleeping atm./
[00:20] <RAOF> I'd certainly hope so!
[00:21] <mdeslaur> nobody told him about the "upload unity - wait 24 hrs before sleeping" rule?
[03:19] <kieppie> hi guys. I'm looking for a solution to read an ebook (pdf) in the background while I'm working. aby ideas, please?
[03:19] <kieppie> TTS
[03:21] <jbicha> kieppie: try #ubuntu this channel is for Desktop development :)
[03:22] <kieppie> thanks
[03:45] <pitti> Good morning
[03:46] <TheMuso> Morning pitti.
[03:46] <TheMuso> Whoops
[03:46] <TheMuso> Only meant one channel.
[03:46] <jbicha> lol, good morning
[03:46] <pitti> jbicha: did you try devhelp from sid on oneiric? (build/work)
[03:46] <pitti> hey TheMuso -- can't hurt twice :)
[03:46] <TheMuso> No I guess not.
[03:46] <pitti> oh, Robert already gone, darn -- wanted to discuss guest session with him
[03:47] <pitti> hey jbicha
[03:47] <jbicha> pitti: yes, devhelp works here
[03:50] <pitti> jbicha: ah, diff looks rather harmless indeed
[03:51] <pitti> jbicha: synced
[03:52] <pitti> RAOF: did you see the  followup to bug 824099?
[03:52] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 824099 in gnome-desktop3 "Max GL texture size can break multi-head" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/824099
[03:53] <RAOF> pitti: Thanks, I have now.
[04:00] <pitti> eww, new unity seems to break multiple monitors rather badly :(
[04:05] <jbicha> pitti: it breaks single monitors badly too, bug 862743
[04:05] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 862743 in unity "Desktop drawn with offset" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/862743
[04:07]  * RAOF acquires food for lunch.  Then, to work out what the hell is happening in 824099
[04:12] <TheMuso> RAOF: You naughty boy. :)
[04:24] <pitti> RAOF: hang on
[04:24] <pitti> RAOF: it's running that GL test on login?
[04:24] <pitti> RAOF: I thought it's only doing that when you change resolution in control-center
[04:25] <pitti> doing it at every login seems unnecessarily expensive
[04:26] <pitti> jbicha: wow, I must be missing a package then -- my guest session doesn't have that icon
[04:26] <jasoncwarner_> jbicha pitti does unity break it or does the GL fix we put in break multi-monitor? I saw the bug 824099 above...is 862743 related? or is it just another multi-monitor bug?
[04:26] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 824099 in gnome-desktop3 "Max GL texture size can break multi-head" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/824099
[04:27] <pitti> jbicha: oh, of course -- it's because we don't start nautilus by default apparenlty, so in a guest session there is no nautilus process
[04:27] <pitti> when I start it, I get it, too
[04:27] <jbicha> pitti: nautilus should start by default
[04:27] <pitti> jasoncwarner_: I guess we need to downgrade either and check
[04:29] <jbicha> but Unity isn't playing nice either today
[04:55] <DBO> pitti, I totally agree with you
[04:56] <DBO> the new roundel thing looks shit
[04:56] <jasoncwarner_> DBO: roundel?
[04:56] <DBO> jasoncwarner_, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/732016
[04:56] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 732016 in unity-2d "UIFe: Desktop should be titled" [Low,Confirmed]
[04:56] <DBO> the circle of friends inside a circle of white
[04:57] <DBO> that sounded racist...
[04:57] <DBO> but the point stands, it looks awful
[04:58] <jasoncwarner_> :)
[04:58] <jasoncwarner_> I think the whole menu thing looks awkward. I've been more a proponent of using application icons in the menu if we are going to continue to use the global menu...
[04:58] <DBO> jasoncwarner_, if you guys are in a cherry picking mood today...
[04:59] <DBO> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity/trunk/revision/1677
[04:59] <DBO> that fixes
[04:59] <DBO> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/862743
[05:00] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 862743 in unity "Desktop drawn with offset" [Critical,Fix committed]
[05:00] <pitti> ooh!
[05:00] <jasoncwarner_> DBO: since you are here, why does my upper-left corner activation for launcher seemingly not work right now? edge activation works, but upper left (even when set in ccsm) doesn't seem to work
[05:00] <TheMuso> I'd say didrocks will cherry-pick that when he gets up.
[05:00] <jasoncwarner_> DBO: nice
[05:01] <DBO> jasoncwarner_, because of a bug from mark which specifically told me to disable the corner activation
[05:01] <jasoncwarner_> even when we set it in ccsm?
[05:01] <jasoncwarner_> :(
[05:01] <DBO> jasoncwarner_, unfortunately the implementation does break it when you set the corner in CCSM
[05:01] <DBO> Im sorry
[05:01] <DBO> you not are stuck with edge reveal
[05:01] <DBO> I wanted to fix that but I just didn't have time
[05:02] <jasoncwarner_> DBO: c'est la vie ... just so I know. i'll have to retrain my brain to no try upper left corner ;)
[05:02] <DBO> jasoncwarner_, it takes about 2 days
[05:02] <DBO> from my experience
[05:02] <pitti> DBO: so, I can upload that fix now
[05:02] <DBO> pitti, if you want I dont really care
[05:02] <DBO> thats a desktop team decision
[05:03]  * pitti grabs it, it breaks everyone's desktop really badly
[05:04] <jasoncwarner_> that bug is a pretty bad break
[05:04] <jasoncwarner_> agree with pitt
[05:04] <jasoncwarner_> pitti, rather
[05:04] <DBO> sorry about that
[05:04] <DBO> I have now added a *NEW* test case
[05:05] <DBO> dont just log out and back in
[05:05] <pitti> whee, my first unity upload
[05:05] <DBO> restart the entire fucking machine
[05:05] <DBO> because nautilus takes .2 seconds to start in the first case
[05:05] <DBO> and 25 in the second
[05:05] <pitti> DBO: "Use the guest session, Luke"
[05:05] <DBO> pitti, it has to do with nautilus load time
[05:05] <DBO> guest session wont show the issue on my box
[05:05] <DBO> i have to reboot
[05:05] <pitti> ah, I thought for catching this kind of bug
[05:05] <DBO> pitti, its partly related to how long nautilus takes to start up
[05:06] <DBO> guest session has no files for nautilus to generate useless thumbnails of
[05:06] <DBO> so it starts pretty quick :P
[05:06] <jbicha> Nautilus desktop mode is a pain any way, Ctrl+T is a cool trick :(
[05:06] <DBO> we should make that not work...
[05:10] <pitti> jbicha: hm, nautilus actually does run by default, but I don't actually get the desktop menu/icon/"Desktop" until I open a nautilus window once
[05:10] <DBO> pitti, thats known as the "nautilus crash and relaunched itself but went full retard about making a new desktop window" bug
[05:11] <pitti> DBO: I have no nautilus crash
[05:11] <DBO> pitti, it can happen without the crash
[05:11] <pitti> it's running right after login, no .crash file, nothing in dmesg
[05:11] <DBO> its just less common
[05:12] <DBO> I tried to debug it one time with upstream
[05:12] <DBO> it did not go well...
[05:15] <pitti> oh, fun
[05:15] <pitti> it doesn't actually need to be a nautilus window
[05:15] <pitti> any window with a menu seems to do
[05:28] <RAOF> pitti: That GL test runs at logon, because the g-s-d xrandr plugin probes modes at logon.  If it didn't run there, you'd get a broken desktop if you booted with 2 displays plugged in for the first time.
[05:28] <pitti> DBO: working nicely, thanks!
[05:29] <RAOF> pitti: It's got a measurable, but small, performance impact; I timed it at ~150msec on my atom netbook.
[05:30] <pitti> RAOF: ah, I see
[05:34] <RAOF> Also, it's run iff we're using a Unity 3D session, but that's not much comfort :)
[05:39] <didrocks> good morning
[05:39] <pitti> bonjour didrocks
[05:39] <pitti> didrocks: word of warning, I just did an unity upload
[05:39] <pitti> didrocks: but not accepted from queue yet
[05:40] <didrocks> pitti: oh?
[05:40] <pitti> didrocks: for bug 862743  (single patch, two-liner)
[05:40] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 862743 in unity "Desktop drawn with offset" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/862743
[05:40] <didrocks> pitti: ah great, I just get this one this reboot
[05:40] <pitti> didrocks: just "bzr merge lp:unity", to pick up DBO's patch
[05:40] <didrocks> pitti: excellent, thanks!
[05:41] <pitti> ok; I was a bit afraid of breaking some release tool/workflow you have
[05:41] <didrocks> pitti: no, bzr merge is what to cherry-pick and all milestoning is fine :)
[05:42]  * didrocks adds to everytime logout/login to the needed testcase
[05:43] <DBO> didrocks, yep
[05:44] <DBO> i added the same thing
[05:44] <DBO> didrocks, its worse than log out/in though
[05:44] <didrocks> DBO: thanks for the patch!
[05:44] <DBO> this takes a full reboot to trigger on my machine
[05:44] <didrocks> DBO: oh?
[05:44] <DBO> :/
[05:44] <pitti> didrocks: still no guest session fun on nvidia?
[05:44] <DBO> not even guest session triggers it
[05:44] <pitti> I got it in guest session or my "test" account
[05:45] <didrocks> pitti: well, I have a guest session that start to swap my current session, have a lot of graphical artefacts
[05:46] <pitti> didrocks: bah, silly graphics drivers :(
[05:47] <pitti> I can have three full 3D sessions in parallel just fine (didn't try more)
[05:50] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, I guess my next laptop will be intel, as everyone
[05:51] <pitti> didrocks: so nouveau is still not good enough?
[05:51] <didrocks> pitti: I didn't try it this cycle, but knowing that the unity team only support the blob driver and last time, nouveau had a lot of mem leaks…
[05:54] <pitti> didrocks: to avoid crazy debdiffs like http://launchpadlibrarian.net/81512849/unity_4.20.0-0ubuntu1_4.20.0-0ubuntu2.diff.gz
[05:54] <pitti> didrocks: would you consider switching the unity package to source format 1.0?
[05:56] <didrocks> pitti: see my answer on #ubuntu-release
[05:57] <RAOF> robert_ancell: Can you shed any light on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/824099/comments/19 ?
[05:57] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 824099 in gnome-desktop3 "Max GL texture size can break multi-head" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[05:58] <robert_ancell> ummmmmm
[05:59] <RAOF> It looks there like lightdm is aborting significantly before the gl_check is happening.
[05:59] <jbicha> DBO: the offset wallpaper doesn't require a reboot necessarily, I totally have an uptime of 29 hours now
[06:00] <robert_ancell> RAOF, but the only interaction lightdm has with the X servers is to do a connect and to manage the processes
[06:00] <DBO> jbicha, it depends on teh machine
[06:00] <robert_ancell> could an ABRT signal flow back from the X server to the ligthdm process?
[06:00] <pitti> hey robert_ancell
[06:00] <robert_ancell> pitti, hello
[06:01] <pitti> robert_ancell: do you need a hand with bug 849027?
[06:01] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 849027 in lightdm "lightdm does not provide an equivalent to the gdm guest session AppArmor profile" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/849027
[06:01] <robert_ancell> pitti, yes
[06:01] <RAOF> robert_ancell: I wouldn't expect so :/
[06:02] <pitti> robert_ancell: can you give me a coarse description what happens if you launch a guest session from lightdm? how is it different from a normal session?
[06:03] <robert_ancell> pitti, it basically runs 'guest account add', gets the username back, then runs an autologin with that username
[06:03] <robert_ancell> and runs 'guest-account del username' at the end
[06:03] <pitti> robert_ancell: ok; so that's where we need to hook the session wrapper script
[06:04] <robert_ancell> pitti, I think you just need to wrap the normal session wrapper with a guest one
[06:04] <pitti> robert_ancell: ok, I'll have a go at this
[06:04] <pitti> would really like this in the final release
[06:04] <pitti> we already significantly opened up machine access with this
[06:05] <pitti> having a totally unauthenticated and anonymous guest session which can also access all home directories is really really bad
[06:06] <TheMuso> pitti: Thanks for the libcanberra upload, I would have done so myself, however I couldn't reproduce the issue...
[06:06] <pitti> TheMuso: credit goes to diwic
[06:07] <TheMuso> pitti: I know, I saw the patch in the bug, and was going to upload it if I could reproduce it./
[06:07] <didrocks> pitti: bug #805252 wasn't about the focus issue
[06:07] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 805252 in unity-foundations "appmenu shows wrong menu when desktop is displayed (not the tweaked desktop one)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/805252
[06:07] <pitti> didrocks: focus issue?
[06:08] <didrocks> pitti: it was about "when the desktop is focused, we get a normal nautilus menu"
[06:08] <pitti> didrocks: I didn't complain about a focus problem
[06:08] <didrocks> pitti: you are speaking about after login, there is no menu at first
[06:08] <pitti> didrocks: the modified nautilus menu isn't showing at all, until you open any app once which has a menu
[06:08] <didrocks> (as if nautilus desktop isn't focus)
[06:08] <pitti> uh?
[06:08] <didrocks> pitti: even if you click on the desktop?
[06:08] <pitti> well, maybe it is a focus issue then, but a rather confusing one
[06:08] <pitti> didrocks: let me try again
[06:08] <didrocks> thanks :)
[06:09] <DBO> uhm
[06:09] <DBO> wow
[06:09] <DBO> the new wallpapers
[06:09] <DBO> are amazing!
[06:09] <pitti> didrocks: aah
[06:09] <pitti> didrocks: ok, if there's another bug about this then, let's close it agian
[06:10] <didrocks> pitti: thanks :)
[06:11] <didrocks> DBO: any idea about that one? ^
[06:11] <didrocks> DBO: seems nautilus hasn't the focus after login or that bamf doesn't see it's focused
[06:11] <didrocks> DBO: so, appmenu doesn't pick nautilus desktop menu
[06:12] <DBO> it doesn't have focus
[06:12] <DBO> so
[06:12] <DBO> we need to make the panel display the "Desktop" stuff when nothing is focused
[06:12] <didrocks> DBO: not sure, just a guess that it doesn't (and clicking give it the focus)
[06:12] <DBO> i know it odesn't
[06:12] <DBO> X wont randomly assign focus to a window
[06:13] <didrocks> DBO: hum, but that mean still no menu
[06:13] <DBO> I dont know
[06:13] <didrocks> or rather, menu not connecting with nautilus' callback
[06:15] <robert_ancell> pitti, should 'guest-session' work in lightdm?  bug 799950
[06:15] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 799950 in lightdm "Can't launch guest session from a LightDM session" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/799950
[06:16] <pitti> robert_ancell: no, it shouldn't; it's called "gdm-guest-session" for a reason
[06:16] <robert_ancell> yeah, that's what I figured...
[06:16] <pitti> robert_ancell: I think we should just remove gdm-guest-session, I'm not even sure if our gdm pacakge still has that patch
[06:17] <DBO> didrocks, whats the state of the nautilus fix?
[06:17] <pitti> robert_ancell: oh, we do have the patch still
[06:18] <robert_ancell> pitti, we should really drop it if upstream isn't going to take it
[06:18] <didrocks> DBO: what do you mean? which one? :)
[06:18] <didrocks> DBO: the one you did for unity?
[06:18] <DBO> didrocks, yes
[06:18] <pitti> robert_ancell: right; in P
[06:18] <didrocks> DBO: pitti uploaded it :)
[06:18] <DBO> didrocks, oh somehow I thought it got halted
[06:18] <DBO> excellent!
[06:18] <pitti> . o O { I can has name for P? }
[06:19] <pitti> DBO: nautilus fix? I didn't do a nautilus upload, if the focus problem needs to be addressed there
[06:19] <didrocks> DBO: well, it was in unapproved, but that's the normal  workflow since last week
[06:19] <DBO> pitti, no just unity
[06:19] <didrocks> pitti: he's speaking about the display shifted
[06:19] <pitti> ah, that; it's in
[06:19] <didrocks> pitti: +1 on the name
[06:19] <DBO> :)
[06:19] <DBO> you guys rock
[06:19] <pitti> got infinity to review it quickly
[06:19] <pitti> DBO: no worries, just pushing buttons; you fixed it :)
[06:19] <didrocks> people on the french forum are expecting a conspiracy about release cadence as there is still no name
[06:19] <pitti> (well, not sure if it was you who broke it in the first place :) )
[06:20] <DBO> when does the name normally happen?
[06:20] <DBO> pitti, also, until told other, P is Pretty Pony
[06:20] <didrocks> last year, was beginning of august
[06:20] <DBO> wow
[06:20] <DBO> wtf
[06:21] <jbicha> aug 17
[06:21] <jbicha> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/date/2010/08
[06:21] <DBO> this is the kind of shit that strikes fear into my heart
[06:21] <didrocks> waow, my memory isn't that screwed \o/
[06:21] <jbicha> I just make up P names and use them on the forums and watch how others quote me on them
[06:23] <bjf> i hear we're supposed to get  a name this weekend
[06:23] <didrocks> jbicha: that's evil :-)
[06:23] <jbicha> maybe sabdfl hasn't found an obscure enough name yet in his dictionary, lol
[06:23] <didrocks> pitti: have you open a bug for the nautilus focus issue?
[06:23] <pitti> didrocks: no, want me to?
[06:24] <didrocks> pitti: no no, just that we don't deadlock on each other, doing it :)
[06:24] <DBO> bjf, where did you hear that?
[06:24] <bjf> not sure i can say, but it was a very reliable source
[06:34] <TheMuso> FYI to those in Europe, NSW has a long weekend this weekend, and maybe other states, I'm not sure. So EOD for me, will see you all Tuesday.
[06:36] <RAOF> I'm *very* interested in hearing from anyone else who's had a problem after the gnome-desktop3 upload, like bug #824099.  I can't reproduce this no matter how messed up I make my GL stack.
[06:37] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 824099 in gnome-desktop3 "Max GL texture size can break multi-head" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/824099
[06:40] <didrocks> RAOF: hey!
[06:40] <RAOF> didrocks: Yo yo!
[06:41] <didrocks> TheMuso: see you on Tuesday
[06:41] <didrocks> RAOF: so yesterday, I again has this Xorg restart on a lot of disk write
[06:41] <didrocks> RAOF: I have copied Xorg.0 and Xorg.0.log, interested?
[06:41] <RAOF> Ooooooh!  Do tell!
[06:41] <RAOF> Yes please.  Did you happen to nab dmesg also?
[06:42] <didrocks> Xorg0.log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/699526/ and .log.old : http://paste.ubuntu.com/699527/
[06:42] <didrocks> RAOF: argh, no :/
[06:42] <didrocks> will do next time if no info from here
[06:44] <RAOF> Ok.  Looks like evdev is being woken up and crashing.
[06:45] <RAOF> Possibly as a result of trying to jump to 0x1be, which seems unlikely to actually contain valid code :)
[06:45] <didrocks> evil evdev, who needs you? :p
[06:45] <RAOF> Do you have an apport crash report?
[06:46] <didrocks> RAOF: no, that's the weirdest part…
[06:46] <RAOF> Sigh.
[06:46] <htorque> RAOF: i have a system that was affected by one of the bugs linked in the above report but i don't see any such issues now.
[06:47] <RAOF> We've not ironed out all the failure modes of the Xorg apport integration patch. :(
[06:48] <RAOF> htorque: Ok.  And it hasn't introduced other problems like in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/824099/comments/19 ?
[06:48] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 824099 in gnome-desktop3 "Max GL texture size can break multi-head" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[06:50] <htorque> RAOF: no, it boots fine, connecting a 1920x1080 display works fine - no issues.
[06:59] <tkamppeter> New updates, new bugs: I have a displaced background now, see last three comments of bug 832603.
[06:59] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 832603 in gnome-settings-daemon "gnome-settings-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV in g_simple_async_result_complete()" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/832603
[06:59] <tkamppeter> RAOF, robert_ancell, disrocks, agateau: ^^
[07:00] <RAOF> tkamppeter: That's fixed in the most recent unity upload, which hasn't built everywhere yet, I think.
[07:00] <tkamppeter> RAOF, thanks.
[07:02] <tkamppeter> LP is totally overloaded now, I get only timeouts, especially I cannot access bug 507062 and bug 832603.
[07:02] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 507062 in xlibs "synaptic assert failure: synaptic: ../../src/xcb_io.c:385: _XAllocID: Assertion `ret != inval_id' failed." [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/507062
[07:02] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 832603 in gnome-settings-daemon "gnome-settings-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV in g_simple_async_result_complete()" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/832603
[07:02] <tkamppeter> The first of the two happened after logging in after my updates of today.
[07:05] <jbicha> pitti: what do you think of bug 841756?
[07:05] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 841756 in ayatana-design "Remove "Search for Files..." application from default install of Ubuntu" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/841756
[07:08] <Sweetshark> Hello desktoppers!
[07:09] <Sweetshark> pitti: libreoffice_3.4.3-3ubuntu1_source.changes is ready for upload on chinstrap
[07:14] <pitti> jbicha: I think it's a reasonable request, but I wouldn't like to change it for oneiric
[07:14] <pitti> hey Sweetshark
[07:14] <pitti> Sweetshark: ah, now need to get this into oneiric
[07:14] <pitti> (past final freeze)
[07:18] <glatzor> morning mvo and pitti
[07:18] <pitti> hey glatzor, how are you?
[07:18] <pitti> glatzor: exciting news wrt. PK system d-bus API!
[07:18] <pitti> glatzor: so you made the impossible possible?
[07:18] <pitti> (I thought the API didn't allow interactive questions, etc.)
[07:19] <glatzor> pitti, I am fine. tomorrow I will be on vacations! How are you?
[07:19] <pitti> glatzor: oh, nice, where do you go?
[07:19] <pitti> I'm great, thanks
[07:19] <glatzor> glatzor, We don't know yet :)
[07:20] <pitti> glatzor: talking to yourself? time for holiday for sure! :-)
[07:20] <mvo> hey glatzor, good monring!
[07:20]  * pitti waves to mvo
[07:20] <glatzor> morning mvo
[07:21] <mvo> hey pitti
[07:21] <pitti> long weekend ahead \o/
[07:21] <mvo> glatzor: yeah, great new re PK
[07:21] <mvo> glatzor: the mosel is very nice at this time of year ;) just saying …
[07:21] <Sweetshark> pitti: \o/ indeed
[07:21] <mvo> if you don't know where to go to yet
[07:23] <glatzor> mvo, pitti the pk compat layer is basically just a mapping of properties. We don't get any interactiveness which isn't allowed by the original packagekit api
[07:23] <pitti> glatzor: ah, ok; still good, as I expect this to be much faster than the original PK :)
[07:23] <glatzor> mvo, pitti, Handling medias isn't yet support but will also just result in a failing transaction - as required by the PK api
[07:24] <pitti> Sweetshark: 3.4.3-3ubuntu1 ?
[07:24] <pitti> glatzor: I don't think many people care about CDs these days..
[07:24] <glatzor> pitti, mvo, It is also not a real alternative for software-center, since we require a lot of additional features of the aptdaemon dbus interface
[07:25] <pitti> glatzor: yes, this is mainly to make upstream bits in e. g. control-center "just work"
[07:25] <pitti> installing a codec package or whatnot
[07:25] <Sweetshark> pitti: yes
[07:25] <glatzor> pitti, mvo, that was my main intention
[07:26] <glatzor> pitti, mvo, in the end we could even think about using RefreshCache, GetUpdates, GetDistroUpgrades
[07:26] <glatzor> in the gnome session daemon
[07:26] <pitti> Sweetshark: did you happen to test-build this on ppc? we got a new openjdk yesterday, too
[07:28] <nxvl> didrocks: hi! What's the package that is replacing gnome-power-manager?
[07:28] <glatzor> pitti, mvo, funnily we could even support the debconf handling of PackageKit in the PK compat layer
[07:28] <nxvl> didrocks: i'm having troubles with the automatic suspend
[07:28] <didrocks> nxvl: yeah, everyone has, I didn't follow the whole story, probably pitti or rodrigo_ knows
[07:28] <pitti> nxvl: automatic suspend after 30 minutes despite config saying "nothing"? that's being worked on
[07:29] <pitti> nxvl: gnome-settings-daemon, FYI
[07:29] <Sweetshark> pitti: no, I just though of doing a testbuild on one of the porter boxes when reviewing the debdiff and seeing the gcj changes
[07:29] <nxvl> pitti: oh, so known bug
[07:29] <pitti> yes, got it again last night
[07:29] <pitti> it's not respecting the boolean option
[07:29] <nxvl> pitti: great i wanted to know if i needed to file it or it's already known, great
[07:29] <dpm> morning mvo, what does the 'Error %s review' string mean in SC? It's on softwarecenter/ui/gtk3/widgets/reviews.py
[07:30] <glatzor> mvo, what is the state of the addlicensekey issue?
[07:30] <pitti> coudl be fixed by http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-control-center/commit/?id=3e20a577a469414914b0361e47648514d161eb38
[07:30] <glatzor> mvo, it is going to be deferred?
[07:30] <pitti> rodrigo_: good morning
[07:30] <pitti> rodrigo_: FYI, I reset all my dconf settings yesterday, and control-center now says to not suspend on AC, but it did
[07:30] <pitti> rodrigo_: is that http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-control-center/commit/?id=3e20a577a469414914b0361e47648514d161eb38 ?
[07:30] <glatzor> mvo, thanks for your invitation. could became reallity faster than you could imagine :)
[07:30] <Sweetshark> pitti: although the gcj change also affects amd64, so I would consider it basically tested.
[07:31] <pitti> rodrigo_: it looks a bit incomplete, as I don't see a check for == 0 there, but maybe that's done elsewhere
[07:36] <jbicha> pitti: our recent mutter upload has a debian-changes patch that might explain why the arm build fails, I don't see that in the bzr branch though
[07:37] <pitti> eww, that looks unintended
[07:38] <jbicha> pitti: thanks, ricotz pointed it out to me
[07:39] <pitti> jbicha: seems that the files in bzr got changed
[07:40] <pitti> jbicha: seems it's a problem with the pre-applied 01_Wcast-align.patch or so
[07:40] <pitti> actually, with all patches
[07:40] <pitti> screw you, pre-applied patches
[07:42] <pitti> jbicha: uploaded
[07:42] <pitti> I used the good old apt-get source, let the package importer unscrew this
[07:42] <mvo> dpm: the %s is a action, that should probably be Error %(action)s review", but even then its not very i18n friendly :/
[07:43] <mvo> glatzor: yeah, that will be a SRU
[07:43] <mvo> glatzor: the license-key stuff, its still pretty important, but the time is just too short, I hope to work on it today again though
[07:46] <dpm> mvo, no worries, I'll file a bug. But in any case, I still don't understand what it means. Could you give me an example of what %(action)s could be?
[07:46] <jbicha> pitti: I was thinking about just moving gshell & friends to our ~desktop branches, bzr mu wasn't working right for me with mutter anyway
[07:47] <pitti> jbicha: if you want to, sure
[07:47] <mvo> dpm: I will add a # TRANSLATORS: comment
[07:47] <dpm> mvo, that'd be great, thanks!
[07:50] <mvo> dpm: meh, I will fix it properly, the current way is really i18n unfriendly
[07:52] <seb128> hey
[07:52] <pitti> Monsieur!
[07:52] <seb128> pitti, hey, alter! ;-)
[07:52] <seb128> how are you?
[07:52] <rodrigo_> morning
[07:52] <seb128> hey rodrigo_
[07:52] <pitti> jasoncwarner_, didrocks, seb128: FYI, us German dudes will be on vacation next Monday, celebrating German reunion
[07:53] <rodrigo_> pitti, that commit is in master
[07:53] <pitti> seb128: I'm great, thanks! did my first unity upload this morning :-P
[07:53] <seb128> pitti, \o/
[07:53] <pitti> rodrigo_: right; I just wondered if it's enough to fix the "ignores the boolean flags" problem
[07:53] <jasoncwarner_> pitti: seems most aussies are joining you. Some sort of labor day down here
[07:53] <rodrigo_> but anyway, seems some systems auto suspend and others not :(
[07:53] <seb128> rodrigo_, yeah, mine suspended again during sport yesterday
[07:53] <pitti> seb128: bug 804133 got a fix upstream now (I pointed to the git commit in the bug now); do you fancy giving that a spin and cherrypicking?
[07:53] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 804133 in nautilus "Segmentation fault: nautilus_icon_container_search_entry_flush_timeout" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/804133
[07:54] <seb128> pitti, can do
[07:54]  * pitti hugs seb128
[07:54] <pitti> seb128: that'll be one more "fixed" on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus \o/
[07:54] <seb128> pitti, /me hugs pitti back
[07:54] <seb128> ups
[07:54] <seb128> syntax error ;-)
[07:55] <pitti> seb128: I'm looking at adding a proper AppArmor profile back to lightdm
[07:55] <seb128> guest session?
[07:56] <didrocks> salut seb128
[07:56] <seb128> hey didrocks, ca va ?
[07:56] <Sweetshark> oh and btw: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/MinGW-cross-compilation-Runs-td3380547.html
[07:56] <didrocks> ça va :) et toi?
[07:56] <pitti> seb128: bug 849027
[07:56] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 849027 in lightdm "lightdm does not provide an equivalent to the gdm guest session AppArmor profile" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/849027
[07:56] <didrocks> seb128: seems we can party on monday, no pitti, no jasoncwarner_ :-)
[07:56] <mvo> dpm: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~software-store-developers/software-center/trunk/revision/2478
[07:56] <pitti> seb128: right now you can turn on a computer, not having anyone authorize, login as guest, and look into all home directories
[07:56] <pitti> bad
[07:57] <seb128> didrocks, well I will not be there either I guess, as an half german I ought to take half the day at least it seems ;-)
[07:57] <jasoncwarner_> didrocks: :) I'll be here. I've got nowhere else to be ;)
[07:57] <jasoncwarner_> pitti: that is bad...
[07:57] <seb128> pitti, indeed
[07:57] <didrocks> seb128: you won't play that game forever!
[07:57] <pitti> didrocks: so UNAPPROVED will be the very last fine thin line that stands between you and total chaos?
[07:57]  * pitti hugs didrocks
[07:57] <didrocks> jasoncwarner_: oh, that sound so sad :)
[07:57] <seb128> didrocks, why not? I like it ;-)
[07:57] <rodrigo_> seb128, and the sleep-inactive-*-timeout keys are = 0?
[07:58] <didrocks> pitti: well, I can be evil and use my archive admin powers I guess :p
[07:58] <pitti> seb128: can't; you need to re-unite with Germany first
[07:58] <didrocks> hum… not a bad idea…
[07:58]  * didrocks hugs pitti
[07:58] <pitti> didrocks: oh, right :)
[07:58] <didrocks> don't upgrade on Tuesday :p
[07:58] <pitti> didrocks: you know that there's no audit trail for that, right?
[07:58] <pitti> erm, I meant
[07:59] <didrocks> pitti: ahah, you shouldn't tell that! :-)
[07:59] <pitti> don't you dare! eeeeverything has microsecond timestamps, IPs, and user names in /srv/launchpad.net/logs/queue
[07:59] <dpm> thanks mvo!
[07:59] <didrocks> pitti: heh ;-)
[07:59] <seb128> rodrigo_,
[07:59] <pitti> hey dpm
[07:59] <seb128> org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.power sleep-inactive-ac false
[07:59] <seb128> org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.power sleep-inactive-ac-timeout 0
[07:59] <seb128> org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.power sleep-inactive-ac-type 'suspend'
[07:59] <pitti> dpm: libgrip-dev HTML docs at your service, sir
[07:59] <seb128> rodrigo_, the ui is on "don't suspend"
[07:59] <dpm> morning pitti, I saw that, thanks a lot for taking care of the libgrip docs!
[07:59] <rodrigo_> seb128, yeah, weird
[07:59] <pitti> seb128: I have ac-timeout 1800 (that's the defualt)
[08:00] <mvo> dpm: thanks for raising this issue!
[08:00] <pitti> seb128: I thihnk the UI looks at the boolean, but the gsd plugin doesn't
[08:00] <seb128> pitti, didn't rodrigo patch the default to be 0.
[08:00] <seb128> ?
[08:01] <pitti> seb128: nope
[08:01] <seb128> pitti, well upstream commited a 1800->0 and rodrigo_ said he would backport the commit yesterday
[08:01] <pitti> $ grep -A1 inactive-ac /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.power.gschema.xml
[08:01] <rodrigo_> seb128, pitti: maybe I'm missing something -> http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-settings-daemon/tree/plugins/power/gsd-power-manager.c?h=gnome-3-2#n2936 ?
[08:01] <seb128> still I used the ui to put the setting to "never" and I've those values
[08:01] <rodrigo_> seb128, already backported in g-s-d bzr, not uploaded yet though
[08:01] <pitti> yes, but they aren't what's in the schema
[08:02] <seb128> and it suspended during my sport yesterday
[08:02] <seb128> pitti, ^ what rodrigo_ said, it's pending upload
[08:02] <pitti> seb128: we might need http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-control-center/commit/?id=3e20a577a469414914b0361e47648514d161eb38, too
[08:02] <pitti> rodrigo_: ^ do we?
[08:02] <seb128> rodrigo_, well maybe "on_battery" is wrong for me?
[08:02] <seb128> rodrigo_, it's a laptop docked
[08:02] <seb128> rodrigo_, maybe it doesn't update when I dock?
[08:02] <rodrigo_> seb128, yes, the UI sets the timeout to 0, and g-s-d checks for the timeout being 0 to not set the timeout
[08:03] <seb128> rodrigo_, or maybe it doesn't cancel the callback when I dock?
[08:03] <rodrigo_> seb128, what do you have for on-battery in dconf?
[08:03] <seb128> org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.power sleep-inactive-battery true
[08:03] <seb128> org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.power sleep-inactive-battery-timeout 1800
[08:03] <seb128> org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.power sleep-inactive-battery-type 'suspend'
[08:03] <seb128> rodrigo_, I've been working undocked for the afternoon yesterday, docked and went to sport
[08:04] <seb128> rodrigo_, so it could be that somewhat it didn't detect the battery to dock change or didn't cancel the callback?
[08:04] <rodrigo_> pitti, no, that's removing GSettings keys, shouldn't be neededs
[08:04] <rodrigo_> seb128, yes, might be that
[08:04] <pitti> rodrigo_: I think the goal is to get rid of the booleans entirely, and just use '0' right?
[08:05] <pitti> rodrigo_: I wonder why they weren't dropped from the schema as well
[08:05] <pitti> much less confusing to drop the boolean keys once and for all
[08:05] <seb128> pitti, "created by building from the UDD branch" ... hate udd! ;-)
[08:05] <seb128> pitti, they are in trunk
[08:05] <pitti> ah, good
[08:05] <seb128> pitti, g-c-c read those keys somewhere and they don't want to risk segfault because gsettings freak out about schemas missing keys in use
[08:06] <seb128> pitti, they cleaned g-c-c as well to not use the keys in trunk
[08:06] <rodrigo_> pitti, yes, and yes, they are dropped from the schema, but that's in master
[08:06] <pitti> ah, understood; let's keep them for now, then
[08:07] <rodrigo_> pitti, when you had the undesired suspend, was your laptop also docked?
[08:10] <mvo> seb128: you didn't got a chance to test the fixes i put into bugzilla 660482, did you? I played with it very brielfly and got a segfault in xqueryextension, but it might be that my build env is not properly setup, I don't use jhbuild and it was all a bit hacked together, the code itself *should* be fine (says the man who broke libcanberra yesterfay)
[08:10] <mvo> day even
[08:11] <rodrigo_> ugh, sorry
[08:11] <seb128> mvo, was your libcanberra fix broken?
[08:11] <mvo> seb128: not as such, but it broke gtk2 apps because gdk_error_trap_ignore() is only available on gtk3, but the module is build for both gtk2 and gtk3
[08:11] <seb128> mvo, no, I didn't, I'm a bit puzzled, I tried to get the bug on my netbook (because I don't like to just sit on front of my work computer for 10 minutes to wait for the bug ;-)
[08:11] <mvo> seb128: *and* the build did not fail despite the missing symbol
[08:11] <seb128> mvo, oh ok
[08:12] <seb128> mvo, so my netbook has xset q showing 600 as well but it doesn't stop the screen after 10 minutes!
[08:12] <mvo> seb128: crazy!
[08:12] <seb128> indeed...
[08:12] <seb128> I'm a bit puzzled
[08:13] <mvo> seb128: I try it on my laptop again, hold on a sec
[08:13] <mvo> (well, not a sec, 10min ;)
[08:15] <seb128> rodrigo_, "ugh, sorry"?
[08:24] <tkamppeter> Which piece of software shows the scanned wireless networks in the NM indicator applet and which piece of software saves the keys of the WLANs?
[08:28] <didrocks> pitti: I fixed nautilus not having the focus btw, fixing another unity issue where "show desktop" doesn't have the label
[08:28] <didrocks> pitti: do you think when it's acked upstream, we should push those?
[08:29] <seb128> didrocks, do you work on nautilus or is the fix out of nautilus?
[08:30] <didrocks> seb128: the fix is in unity, we need to give the focus to nautilus, which can only be done in the window manager
[08:30] <seb128> didrocks, ok good, I plan to backport some nautilus git fixes, just for info
[08:30] <seb128> i.e don't upload it while I'm not done ;-)
[08:30] <didrocks> seb128: ok, shouldn't impact me :)
[08:30] <seb128> we lost pitti
[08:30] <seb128> rodrigo as well
[08:30] <didrocks> oh netsplit
[08:45] <seb128> pitti, wb ;-)
[08:46] <pitti> seb128: same to you :)
[08:47] <tkamppeter> seb128, pitti, rodrigo_ I have a problem with NM, instead of the normal menu with the scanned WLANs only a small menu with entries for enabling and disabling interfaces appears.
[08:47] <pitti> same here
[08:47] <pitti> cyphermox: ^
[08:48] <rodrigo_> tkamppeter, yes, ask cyphermox
[08:48] <tkamppeter> seb128, pitti, rodrigo_, cyphermox, which program is responsable for showing the scanned WLANs?
[08:48] <rodrigo_> tkamppeter, is that in unity indicators?
[08:48] <dpm> mvo, oh, I've just noticed now: the big "Our Star apps" image in SC is static, isn't it? If it's not translatable it will be useless to non-English speakers. Would it be possible to make the text translatable (IIRC the checkbox guys did a similar thing rendering translatable text on an image)? I'm happy to file a bug, I just want to check with you first
[08:48] <seb128> what do you call wlan?
[08:49] <tkamppeter> rodrigo_, it is the network indicator applet.
[08:49] <rodrigo_> indicator-network then, iirc
[08:49] <seb128> tkamppeter, network-manager-applet
[08:49] <seb128> rodrigo_, no, indicator-network is the connman one
[08:49] <tkamppeter> seb128, with WLANs I mean the list of wireless networks (SSIDs) which got found around me.
[08:49] <seb128> which is unmaintained
[08:49] <rodrigo_> ah ok
[08:50] <seb128> hum
[08:50] <seb128> it works for me but I didn't restart with updates yet
[08:50] <seb128> it smells a bug in ted's libdbusmenu update if pitti confirm the issue
[08:50] <seb128> nm didn't change today
[08:50] <seb128> will need to grab ted when he comes online
[08:51] <seb128> rodrigo_, ok, 2 bugs for you today
[08:51] <seb128> rodrigo_, bug #841280 which has a patch to review from a contributor on the bugzilla bug
[08:52] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 841280 in gnome-control-center "gnome-control-center crashed with SIGSEGV in count_languages_and_territories()" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/841280
[08:52] <seb128> rodrigo_, bug #863038
[08:52] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 863038 in gnome-control-center "If turnoff the screen setting set to 'never' screen turns off instantly" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/863038
[08:52] <seb128> rodrigo_, the never -> 0 seems to not work
[08:52] <seb128> rodrigo_, some users also reported that the combo goes to "1 minutes" after a session restart
[08:53] <tkamppeter> seb128, this is what I reported here yesterday, too.
[08:57] <rodrigo_> seb128, yes, looking at that one, I've got a fix for g-c-c in bzr, but now need a fix in g-s-d, it's installing a timeout for 0 seconds!
[08:58] <seb128> rodrigo_, bad g-s-d, no cookie!
[08:58] <seb128> ;-)
[08:58] <rodrigo_> yeah, but I'm lost, as it indeed checks for timeout != 0
[08:58] <rodrigo_> ok, assigning those 2 bugs to me
[08:59] <seb128> rodrigo_, thanks
[09:04] <mvo> seb128: bug is still reproducable just fine on my laptop
[09:04] <seb128> mvo, yeah, I get the bug on my laptop was well, not on my netbook
[09:04] <seb128> mvo, but the fact that it doesn't happen on my netbook (which is a clean beta2 install upgraded) puzzles me
[09:05] <mvo> when tedg comes online I need to have a word with him about the fallback support
[09:05] <mvo> seb128: hm, good point, mine is a older install as well
[09:26] <tkamppeter> Can someone try to view bug 507062 in a browser? Seems to be LP has a new permanent timeout bug (probably corrupted database entry).
[09:26] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 507062 in xlibs "synaptic assert failure: synaptic: ../../src/xcb_io.c:385: _XAllocID: Assertion `ret != inval_id' failed." [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/507062
[09:28] <pitti> tkamppeter: no, just way too many dupes
[09:28] <pitti> tkamppeter: https://launchpad.net/bugs/507062/+text
[09:29] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 507062 in xlibs "synaptic assert failure: synaptic: ../../src/xcb_io.c:385: _XAllocID: Assertion `ret != inval_id' failed." [Medium,Confirmed]
[09:58] <jibel> there seems to be something wrong with gnome-settings-daemon, over last week 278 bugs have been reported against this package on oneiric
[09:58] <jibel> half of them have been closed by apport because it was unable to retrace.
[09:58] <jibel> I pasted the list there http://paste.ubuntu.com/699616/
[09:59] <seb128> waouh
[10:02] <seb128> jibel, your list include bugs which got properly duplicated
[10:02] <seb128> jibel, i.e all the g_simple_async_result_complete() ones
[10:02] <seb128> or xkl_process_error() ones
[10:02] <seb128> jibel, those seem to be most of the count
[10:02] <seb128> the other invalids one are mostly because we had some uploads and apport is just able to retrace the current version
[10:03] <seb128> so when the new version land it invalidates all the retracing for bugs from the previous revision
[10:03] <jibel> seb128, last indicated if its a dupe. same list without duplicates http://paste.ubuntu.com/699621/
[10:04] <jibel> s/last/last column/
[10:05] <seb128> jibel, sorry that was not easy to read
[10:05] <seb128> jibel, what is your concern there? the number of bug report? or the number of invalid ones?
[10:09] <jibel> seb128, the very high number of bug reports for this package, which is unusual. is it fixed in bug 832603 or is there something else.
[10:09] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 832603 in gnome-settings-daemon "gnome-settings-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV in g_simple_async_result_complete()" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/832603
[10:10] <seb128> jibel, I don't think it's unsual
[10:10] <seb128> it's hard to say but I think it's mostly duplicates and "apport noise"
[10:10] <seb128> i.e issues that happens when the session close
[10:10] <seb128> which in practice leads to no user visible issue out of the apport dialog at next login
[10:11] <seb128> jibel, let's see over the w.e with a stable g-s-d version for some day we should get less invalids
[10:12] <seb128> it seems most of those have been invalidated because g-s-d changed too often this week and the system delays meant by the time bugs were retraced the version was already outdated
[10:13] <jibel> seb128, I not too worried about the invalid bugs, just wanted to make sure that nothing fall off radar because of this. I'll re-check at the beginning next week.
[10:13] <jibel> seb128, thank
[10:13] <seb128> jibel, thank you for pointing it
[10:13] <seb128> I will check g-c-c and g-s-d bugs as well today
[10:23] <pitti> I'll be offline for about an hour, will be back on the train
[10:24] <seb128> pitti, ok
[10:25] <seb128> pitti, btw is " 11 files changed, 810 insertions(+), 17 deletions(-)" ok for nautilus?
[10:25] <seb128> they just waited yesterday to fix like 5 segfault in git, I've backported a stack of fixes
[10:25] <seb128> pitti, well I will just put it in the queue for review
[10:27] <didrocks> 810 insertions?
[10:27] <didrocks> waow 3.3 is active :)
[10:27] <seb128> didrocks, well, that's rather 3.2.1 material than 3.3
[10:27] <didrocks> ok :)
[10:28]  * didrocks reboots to test a patch
[10:28] <didrocks> brb
[10:28] <seb128> it's like cosimoc didn't have time before 3.2.0 and just did a bug fix day after the tarball
[10:29] <htorque> hello everyone! is the nm-applet being almost empty a known problem? is that in network-manager or some other package? see bug 862989
[10:29] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 862989 in network-manager "nm-applet don't show available networks for connection" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/862989
[10:33] <seb128> htorque, yeah, it was mentioned before, since nm-applet didn't change I would tend to blame the libdbusmenu update
[10:33] <seb128> htorque, would be useful if you could downgrade and see if that fixes it
[10:33] <seb128> htorque, I'm sort of waiting for ted to show up
[10:33] <htorque> also - it's not happening with a fresh user
[10:34] <seb128> that doesn't make sense
[10:42] <tkamppeter> Is a holiday today in UK?
[10:43] <htorque> seb128: maybe just weird coincidence (which has also seen by another user). i just tried again and couldn't reproduce the "works with a fresh user".
[10:43] <htorque> downgrading now
[10:45] <BigWhale> Greetings
[10:45] <BigWhale> Is the Mac alternative install CD also good for non-macs?
[10:47] <htorque> seb128: yes, downgrading worked. items show up like before.
[10:47] <seb128> htorque, ok, what I though
[10:47] <seb128> htorque, can you reassign to libdbusmenu?
[10:48] <htorque> sure
[10:48] <seb128> htorque, thanks
[11:28] <pitti> seb128: wow, that's a load of fixes :)
[11:28] <seb128> pitti, yeah, upstream visibly woke up after 3.2
[12:15] <cyphermox> seb128: I'm wondering if it's not the dbusmenu update, but wanted behavior, I'm looking at the issue now
[12:15] <pitti> cyphermox: hardly -- why should it suddenly stop showing all wifis?
[12:15] <seb128> cyphermox, ok
[12:17] <cyphermox> pitti: I think it could be related to the flashing of the menu when it gets updated
[12:17] <didrocks> mvo: hey, seems another gettext vs utf8 issue: bug #831652
[12:17] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 831652 in software-properties "software-properties-gtk crashed with UnicodeEncodeError in ToggleSourceUse(): 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xe9' in position 72: ordinal not in range(128)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/831652
[12:18] <didrocks> mvo: do you know what happened there in python gettext btw? It started recently and impacted software-center, oneconf, software-properties?
[12:20]  * rodrigo_ lunch
[12:20] <mvo> didrocks: hrm, hrm, I'm not sure, I wonder that too, something with pygi maybe?
[12:21] <didrocks> mvo: I don't think so, I got it in oneconf-query and there is no import of pygi on this side
[12:22] <mvo> didrocks: ok, it was just my catch-all-bucket I guess ;)
[12:22] <didrocks> mvo: nice try! :-)
[12:22] <didrocks> mvo: but seriously, from one day to the next one, it appeared…
[12:23] <mvo> didrocks: yeah, I noticed that too :/
[12:23] <didrocks> mvo: I'll try to ask Barry then
[12:26] <mvo> thanks!
[12:27] <mvo> keep me updated please
[12:29] <mvo> gar, why does LP timeout for the rls-o-tracking page :/
[12:44] <mdeslaur> seb128: is it too late to get a patch I wrote for bug 862627 in?
[12:44] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 862627 in gedit "Snippets plugin stopped working with latest updates" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/862627
[12:45] <seb128> mdeslaur, no
[12:45] <seb128> mdeslaur, rc bug fixes are fine today and earlier next week still
[12:45] <seb128> mdeslaur, get it uploaded and it will get reviewed
[12:45] <mdeslaur> seb128: ok, thanks
[12:46] <seb128> yw, thank you for working on it ;-)
[12:48] <pitti> eww, ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk immediately crashes
[12:48] <pitti> ImportError: No module named pygtk
[12:48] <pitti> WTH
[12:49] <pitti> seems it's crashing through aptdaemon
[12:49] <pitti> $ python -c 'import aptdaemon.gtkwidgets'
[12:49] <pitti> mvo, seb128 ^ can you please try this on current oneiric?
[12:50] <seb128> pitti, wfm
[12:51] <pitti> ok, who knows what local breakage I have then
[12:51] <pitti> python -c 'import pygtk' fails
[12:51] <pitti> but if that's just me, I'm fairly sure that I broke it locally
[12:53] <didrocks> wfm as well
[12:53] <pitti> ok, *phew*; thanks for checking
[12:53] <mvo> pitti: wfm
[12:53] <didrocks> phoronix used beta1 for their bootspeed test
[12:55] <hallyn_> yowza - as of this morning's update, (a) my background image is gone, (b) my desktop icons (~/Desktop/ contents) move randomly around the screen, and (c) graphics updates (i.e. switching screens) are just totally wrong (mixing contents of various desktops)
[12:55]  * hallyn_ tries another quick update
[12:56] <pitti> hyperair: seems your dconf settings go all crazy :/
[12:57] <hyperair> hm? dconf?
[12:58] <tjaalton> is there a bug about auto-suspend kicking in "when plugged in", like desktops
[12:58] <pitti> bbian
[12:58] <pitti> bbiab
[13:00] <seb128> pitti, that was meant for hallyn_ I guess
[13:00] <seb128> cyphermox, could you look at bug #863142
[13:00] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 863142 in gnome-control-center "gnome-control-center crashed with SIGSEGV in gtk_builder_get_object()" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/863142
[13:01] <cyphermox> sure
[13:01] <seb128> cyphermox, I can't confirm but I've no vpn and it seems worth checking
[13:02] <cyphermox> np, I can check that
[13:02] <pgraner> tjaalton, yea https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/860485
[13:02] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 860485 in gnome-settings-daemon "bad default setting: suspend after 30min when plugged in" [Medium,Fix released]
[13:03] <pgraner> But its not fixed released, happened just a few mins ago to me and I"m fully updated
[13:03] <seb128> rodrigo_, ^
[13:04] <seb128> pgraner, do you use a desktop, laptop, on battery, ac, docked?
[13:04] <pgraner> seb128, laptop in a docking station on ac
[13:04] <seb128> ok, same here
[13:04] <hallyn_> all right, today is a wmii kind of day
[13:04] <seb128> (I get the issue as well)
[13:06] <tjaalton> pgraner: yep, was the same here too, upgraded 2h ago, rebooted and left the machine and when I got back it was shut down
[13:06] <mdeslaur> pitti: an issue I am having with gedit is actually a pygobject issue. The third patch in here solves it: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=659879
[13:06] <ubot2> Gnome bug 659879 in introspection "libpeas broken with pygobject 3" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[13:06] <mdeslaur> pitti: would you mind if I uploaded that?
[13:06] <tjaalton> too bad resume doesn't work :)
[13:06] <seb128> tjaalton, could you reply to the question I asked pgraner?
[13:06] <tjaalton> seb128: desktop
[13:06] <seb128> ok, so no laptop,docked specific
[13:06] <pgraner> tjaalton, yea resume works for me about 1/2 the time, however if I undock, resume works 100%.... go figure
[13:08] <seb128> tjaalton, pgraner: could you run those
[13:08] <seb128> org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.power sleep-inactive-ac
[13:08] <seb128> ups
[13:08] <seb128> gsettings get org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.power sleep-inactive-ac
[13:08] <tjaalton> the setting was off here though, so wonder why it hit me
[13:08] <seb128> gsettings get org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.power sleep-inactive-ac-timeout
[13:08] <tjaalton> "false"
[13:08] <tjaalton> ah
[13:08] <tjaalton> false, 1800
[13:08] <seb128> ok
[13:08] <seb128> the boolean is not used
[13:09] <seb128> is the g-c-c ui set to "never"?
[13:09] <tjaalton> i did muck with the 'battery' setting though
[13:09] <seb128> ie gnome-control-center screen
[13:09] <tjaalton> and! if it matters, I have an UPS :)
[13:09] <seb128> ups
[13:09] <seb128> screen->power
[13:10] <seb128> tjaalton, can you set it to 0 or use the ui to set to never, check that it is 0 and see if you hit the bug again?
[13:10] <seb128> pgraner, ^ same for you
[13:10] <mvo> pitti: I ran into this libglib2.0-0 bug again, would you be cool fix a sledgehammer workaround? something like if $(md5sum /usr/share/doc/libglib2.0/changelog.Debian.gz") = "sdfksajflasdf"; then mv the right file in place?
[13:10] <mvo> in preinst?
[13:10] <pgraner> seb128, whats the magic to check the setting?
[13:11] <seb128> pgraner, <seb128> gsettings get org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.power sleep-inactive-ac-timeout
[13:11] <tjaalton> g-c-c ui is set to never, didn't touch it myself yet though. I'll try
[13:11] <seb128> tjaalton, change it something else and back to never
[13:11] <pgraner> pgraner@moltar:~$ gsettings get org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.power sleep-inactive-ac-timeout
[13:11] <pgraner> 1800
[13:11] <tjaalton> still false
[13:11] <seb128> I think that's "default gsettings is wrong" which has a fix pending upload from rodrigo_
[13:11] <seb128> tjaalton, no, the timeout
[13:11] <tjaalton> ah
[13:12] <seb128> pgraner, could you use the gnome-control-center power ui to change the ac default to something else and back to never and check the value?
[13:12] <hallyn_> seb128: (OTOH) I'm happy to say that my lid closing power behavior did NOT change today, still set to nothing :)   \o/
[13:12] <mvo> didrocks: this compiz fix for the file override isse, is this uploaded? its still showing up in the upgrade tester
[13:12] <seb128> hallyn_, great ;-)
[13:13] <tjaalton> seb128: ok, now it seems to be 0
[13:13] <didrocks> mvo: oh, it's in though.
[13:13] <didrocks> mvo: let me check
[13:13] <seb128> tjaalton, great, let me know if that happens again
[13:13] <didrocks> mvo: it was bug #859632, isn't it?
[13:13] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 859632 in compiz-plugins-main "package compiz-plugins-main-default 1:0.9.5.94 bzr20110919-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/share/compiz/grid.xml', which is also in package compiz-plugins 1:0.9.4 bzr20110606-0ubuntu1~natty2" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/859632
[13:13] <seb128> pgraner, ^ same please, check you get it set to 0 and see if that happens again
[13:13] <seb128> tjaalton, pgraner: if it's fixed so that patch in http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/gnome-settings-daemon/ubuntu/revision/216 will fix it
[13:14] <mvo> didrocks: now its libgrid.so
[13:14] <tjaalton> seb128: ok I'll leave it on and do some bbq ;)
[13:14] <mvo> didrocks: http://people.canonical.com/~mvo/automatic-upgrade-testing/current/ubuntu/bootstrap.log
[13:14] <seb128> tjaalton, enjoy ;-)
[13:14] <mvo> didrocks: search for "dpkg: error pro" there
[13:14] <pgraner> seb128, so I had changed it to don't suspend on ac prior and it showed 1800, I then set it to 1 hour and it went to 3600, I changed it back to don't suspend and it went to 0
[13:15] <cyphermox> seb128: I can't reproduce that crash, everything just looks fine there
[13:15] <seb128> pgraner, ok, good, so please let it this way and let us of know if that fixes it
[13:15] <tjaalton> yep, it's +22C here, tomorrow 10C less or so.. last breath of the summer
[13:15] <seb128> pgraner, the default was to 1800 instead of 0 for you which is a bug with a fix pending upload
[13:15] <seb128> cyphermox, ok, same here, thanks for checking
[13:15] <pgraner> seb128, cool, I'll wait for the fix :)
[13:16] <cyphermox> we can tell more when the reporter attaches a screenshot of what causes the crash, but even vpn here works
[13:16] <seb128> pgraner, well, the key is 0 for you now so you are in the state you will get by default in the new version
[13:16] <seb128> pgraner, let us know if it stops suspending
[13:17] <pgraner> seb128, ack
[13:17] <seb128> cyphermox, it's weird the widget is his .ui
[13:17] <seb128> cyphermox, doesn't really make sense to me...
[13:17] <didrocks> mvo: I should do something wrong then, but compiz-plugins-main-default has Replaces: compiz-plugins (<< 0.9.4+bzr20110606-0ubuntu1)
[13:17] <seb128> pedro_, hey
[13:17] <cyphermox> seb128: not sure I follow what you mean there?
[13:17] <didrocks> oh epoch :/
[13:17]  * didrocks fixes
[13:18] <seb128> pedro_, I did some g-c-c triaging and added some "to forward" upstream bug, could you go through those and upstream them when you have some time?
[13:18] <cyphermox> the widget is treeview_devices, so assumedly this would crash as he clicks on wired, wireless, or vpn
[13:18] <seb128> cyphermox, #0  0x00007fdcac1a9c0e in gtk_builder_get_object (builder=<optimized out>, name=0x7fdc8f49d9f3 "treeview_devices") at /build/buildd/gtk+3.0-3.2.0/./gtk/gtkbuilder.c:1106
[13:18] <mvo> didrocks: forgoten epoch maybe?
[13:18] <didrocks> mvo: exactly
[13:18] <pedro_> seb128, bonjour! yeah i'll go trough all those marked as to send upstream on daily basis so they'll be going upstream today
[13:18] <didrocks> mvo: sorry, fixing
[13:18] <mvo> didrocks: no worries, oh, you said it already
[13:19] <seb128> cyphermox, I first though that maybe he had a corrupted .ui, I don't see another reason for get_object to fail
[13:19] <mvo> didrocks: I should read the full stuff before replying :)
[13:19] <cyphermox> seb128: oh, I didn't compare the files, good idea
[13:19] <didrocks> mvo: no worry ;)
[13:20] <cyphermox> seb128: .... but it's the exact same as I have
[13:20] <seb128> cyphermox, right, let's see if other users get the issue
[13:24] <GunnarHj> seb128: Hi Sebastien, Lubuntu proved to have a few significant locale setting issues, and I prepared a MP that I think qualifies for a FinalFreeze exception.
[13:24] <GunnarHj> https://code.launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/ubuntu/oneiric/lxdm/i18n-fixes/+merge/77698
[13:24] <seb128> GunnarHj, hey
[13:24] <seb128> ok, thanks
[13:26] <GunnarHj> seb128: Do you maintain a queue or something? :)
[13:27] <seb128> GunnarHj, no, just get the fix uploaded and it will be reviewed
[13:27] <seb128> GunnarHj, the queue is https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=
[13:27] <GunnarHj> seb128: Ok, I see.
[13:28] <seb128> GunnarHj, I would prefer is somebody from lubuntu would review and upload your fix
[13:28] <seb128> they know their code better ;-)
[13:29] <GunnarHj> seb128: Sounds very reasonable. Is any of them in ubuntu-branches?
[13:30] <seb128> GunnarHj, I doubt so, you should subscribe gilir
[13:32] <GunnarHj> seb128: Ok. I was still planning to contact him, since he is one of the bug reporters. Tnx.
[13:32] <seb128> GunnarHj, he's the lubuntu lead
[13:33] <GunnarHj> seb128: Ok.
[13:39] <mvo> didrocks: meh, I see a failure with the unicode/gettext for a pure console app (do-release-upgrade). now its getting really worysome as this code hasn't changed in ages and used to work just fine
[13:39] <didrocks> mvo: yeah, it's the same with optparser just using gettext in oneconf-query
[13:40] <didrocks> mvo: I have a lazy way to fix it, one sec
[13:40] <didrocks> but still would love to know what happens
[13:40] <didrocks> mvo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/699777/
[13:41] <didrocks> mvo: you need to fallback to traditional import if the locale isn't installed (gettext.translation() doesn't)
[13:41] <didrocks> I learnt that the hard way :-)
[13:42] <didrocks> (maybe there is a parameter for the .translation() method to fallback to LANG=C, but I didn't try it, as it was "zomg 20 duplicates in 8 hours"
[13:45] <seb128> cyphermox, did you figure anything on the libdbusmenu, nm-applet bug? ted is there now so keep him updated if you have some infos
[13:45] <cyphermox> no, i didn't have anything yet, was waiting to be able to ask ted
[13:49] <desrt> anyone here own a mac?
[13:50] <seb128> re
[13:50] <seb128> desrt, hey
[13:50] <desrt> seb128: hey
[13:50] <seb128> desrt, ted does ;-)
[13:50]  * desrt needs pthread.h
[13:51] <tkamppeter> agateau, didrocks, the overlay scrollbar problem is solved! Thank you very much! hp-systray Settings and vlc work for me.
[13:51] <didrocks> hey seb128
[13:51] <seb128> hey didrocks ;-)
[13:51] <didrocks> seb128: good morning even! :-)
[13:52] <seb128> lol
[13:52] <didrocks> hey desrt ;)
[13:52] <didrocks> s and d are too close on the keyboard :/
[13:52] <desrt> hey didrocks :)
[13:52]  * desrt is confused, nothing else is new
[13:55] <agateau> tkamppeter: good news!
[14:00] <kenvandine> cyphermox,  the dbusmenu update was just a bunch of return_if_fails for NULL checks
[14:00] <kenvandine>  so it sounds like something from nm-applet is null when it shouldn't be
[14:04] <seb128> pitti, there?
[14:19] <seb128> cyphermox, ok, the guy replied on the g-c-c gtkbuilder segfault
[14:19] <seb128> cyphermox, they run gnome-shell with nm-applet started manually for some vpn related reason
[14:19] <seb128> cyphermox, so "weird setup" bug ;-)
[14:20] <seb128> still a bug but I don't think we should care, it's just weird to run nm-applet under shell
[14:20] <cyphermox> indeed, we even make sure that's not started automatically in shell
[14:20] <cyphermox> not that things should fail in this case though
[14:21] <seb128> well apparently the shell ui doesn't allow them to do what they need for their vpn
[14:21] <cyphermox> heh
[14:21] <seb128> yeah, still a bug
[14:21] <cyphermox> ricotz: ^^ if you want to look into this
[14:21] <seb128> but it's neither nor our default desktop, nor a supported way to use gnome-shell
[14:21] <cyphermox> right
[14:21] <seb128> I told them to file a bug against gnome-shell and,or to use unity ;-)
[14:21] <cyphermox> mmkay :)
[14:22]  * cyphermox goes back to fighting a small routing bug with ipv6
[14:23] <cyphermox> the wired+wifi thing is fixed, but someone reported an issue with static routes with ipv6... it's kind of sadistic to want to use that, but it should work :)
[14:23] <pitti> seb128: back now
[14:24] <seb128> pitti, was there any issue with nautilus or you just went off before reviewing it?
[14:24] <pitti> seb128: no issue, just didn't get to it
[14:25] <seb128> pitti, ok thanks, I was not sure if your comment implied that it was a bit too much change for hard freeze
[14:25] <seb128> ;-)
[14:25] <pitti> i have a very thin network connection in the train, but trying to do some queue review
[14:25] <seb128> pitti, ok
[14:25] <kenvandine> pitti, it would be great to get dbusmenu approved quickly... it is a pretty critical bug fix :)\
[14:27] <pitti> in general, please just poke in #u-release for reviews
[14:28] <kenvandine> pitti, yeah... just saw you say you were doing reviews
[14:31] <tkamppeter> About the suspends-after-30-min-on-ac problem: It even suspneds when one is active on the machine logged in from another box via ssh.
[14:34] <seb128> tkamppeter, try to set the settings to something else than never and back to never, that should fix it
[14:34] <seb128> rodrigo_, do you have other g-s-d changes planned for today?
[14:34] <seb128> rodrigo_, if not you should upload what is in the vcs so we get the suspend default fix in for the w.e
[14:35] <tkamppeter> seb128, only for the suspend or also for the turn-off-screen?
[14:36] <seb128> tkamppeter, only for suspend
[14:36] <seb128> tkamppeter, check that "settings get org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.power sleep-inactive-ac-timeout" returns 0
[14:37] <rodrigo_> seb128, yes, just trying to get a fix for the display sleep, and will uplkoad that with the other 2 changes that are in bzr
[14:37] <pitti> kenvandine: oh, good fix
[14:37] <seb128> pedro_, dude, put the version in the g-c-c bugs before bastien jump on you again ;-)
[14:37] <seb128> rodrigo_, great, thanks
[14:37] <kenvandine> pitti, yeah... nasty bug though
[14:38] <tkamppeter> seb128, seetings does not exist. Tryd gsettings and it gives 0.
[14:38] <seb128> tkamppeter, what seetings doesn't exist?
[14:38] <seb128> tkamppeter, ok, so it shouldn't suspend
[14:39] <tkamppeter> s/seetings/settings/
[14:39] <tkamppeter> gsettings works and gives zero on all my three boxes.
[14:40] <seb128> tkamppeter, ok, so they should not suspend on ac
[14:40] <seb128> tkamppeter, if they still do tell us
[14:40] <seb128> jjardon, did you figure if the evo calendar issue is an ubuntu one?
[14:41] <jjardon> seb128: the issue about open the calendar?
[14:41] <seb128> jjardon, yes
[14:41] <jjardon> I'm investigating, but seems a upstream bug
[14:41] <seb128> jjardon, I didn't spot a patch in our set likely to create that bug
[14:42] <seb128> jjardon, ok, I had a look through our patch and we don't do a lot with the code and nothing with calendars
[14:42] <jjardon> trying with a jhbuild evolution and still doesnt work
[14:45] <tkamppeter> Nice, all the fixes, but now my HP 32-bit box totally refuses re-login after logout. lightdm simply crashes and Upstart does not restart it. Back to normal only by sudo start lightdm via SSH.
[14:45] <jjardon> seb128: you can reproduce the issue, rigth?
[14:45] <seb128> jjardon, yes
[14:46] <jjardon> ok
[14:49] <tkamppeter> seb128, thanks, I will do.
[15:00] <seb128> pedro_, how do you get your "to upstream" list? just wanting to make sure so I stop pinging you when not required ;-)
[15:00] <seb128> pedro_, like do you watch all desktop?
[15:00] <pedro_> seb128, i have an script that looks for all the packages in the desktop set with an upstream task open/empty and with the oneiric tag
[15:01] <seb128> pedro_, ok, good, I added a few gnome-bluetooth ones I guess you will catch those as well
[15:01] <seb128> I wonder if the bluetooth-send is working for anyone in Oneiric
[15:01] <seb128> I tried to transfer a file over bluetooth with my phone the other day and that was a fail
[15:02] <seb128> triaging some bugs I noticed we get quite some oneiric user segfaults in bluetooth-send
[15:02] <pedro_> seb128, i'll create a report on the status page to track the progress on those, cause the script i have is just printing on the terminal line
[15:02] <pedro_> so you guys can also look at it
[15:02] <seb128> pedro_, thanks
[15:05] <dpm> pitti, are the last oneiric langpacks being built or have been built?
[15:05] <pitti> dpm: no, langpack translation deadline is on October 6th
[15:06] <pitti> dpm: so I wanted to ask for a full export starting on next Thursday, so that I can build the packs on Friday
[15:06] <pitti> dpm: sounds ok?
[15:06] <dpm> pitti, yeah, but they've been disabled for quite a while. Could we have another langpack before that?
[15:07] <pitti> dpm: I guess we could
[15:07] <mdeslaur> pitti: I also have a workaround for gedit if you'd rather not have that patch in pygobject
[15:09] <didrocks> hum, did anyone sponsored gnome-contacts for jbicha?
[15:14] <seb128> didrocks, not that I know about
[15:16] <dpm> pitti, could we have a delta one released on thursday as scheduled, and a full one on Thursday?
[15:16] <tkamppeter> pitti, ping
[15:17] <didrocks> ok, sponsored
[15:20] <czajkowski> didrocks: you just made my day marking my bug confirmed!
[15:20] <czajkowski> didrocks: bug 846903
[15:20] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 846903 in unity "Alt-tab switcher freezing" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/846903
[15:20] <didrocks> czajkowski: you're really welcome but you should thank my script :)
[15:21] <czajkowski> didrocks: I've had to switch to 2D to avoid the annoyance, but then I nautliis crashing on 2D
[15:21] <didrocks> czajkowski: htorque confirmed your bug, hence the status sync
[15:21] <czajkowski> lesser of the evil
[15:21] <didrocks> czajkowski: do you still have it? alt + tab got some improvments recently in the last 2 releases
[15:22] <pitti> dpm: both on Thursday?
[15:22] <pitti> tkamppeter: sorry, not really here (meeting)
[15:22] <czajkowski> didrocks: not booked to 3D will tonight it got so anoying I had to stop using it
[15:22] <pitti> mdeslaur: sorry, didn't follow which bug you mean; if there is a fix we need in pygobject and it's upstream, I'm happy to cherrypick
[15:23] <didrocks> czajkowski: yeah, please, upgrade to yesterday's release and keep us posted
[15:23] <didrocks> czajkowski: this bug is interesting if it's still hapenning to you and we can hopefully fixes it
[15:23] <czajkowski> didrocks: aye I did last night 364 updates
[15:23] <czajkowski> forgot to do it every single day :/ bit of a back log
[15:23] <tkamppeter> pitti, I get a lot of pressure from Ghostscript upstream (See http://ghostscript.com/irclogs/, search backwards for tkamppeter, starting at the point of now) about not using libcms1 as it is discontinued upstream and full of bugs. Instead I should use their heavily patched version, which fixes many segfaults (not only Apple-generated figures) but also color incorrectness.
[15:23] <didrocks> heh :-)
[15:24] <czajkowski> didrocks: aye back working full time, kinda come home not in the mood to a non working machine, plus having Ubuntu stuff, will update the bug tonight though.
[15:25] <dpm> pitti, sorry, I meant delta on Tuesday, full on thursday
[15:25] <mdeslaur> pitti: bug 862627 - gedit plugin is broken. There's a patch in upstream's bug tracker, but it's not in the git tree yet.
[15:25] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 862627 in pygobject "gedit snippets plugin stopped working with latest updates" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/862627
[15:26] <pitti> dpm: main trouble I see with this is that we are likely to run into CD overflow problems for the RC; but I guess as this is merely an internal testing milestone mit might not matter that much?
[15:26] <pitti> jibel: ^
[15:26] <pitti> mdeslaur: again? they just got fixed by libpeas some days ago?
[15:26] <pitti> mdeslaur: anyway, can you please sub me to bugs, etc?
[15:27] <pitti> really can't handle it right now, sorry
[15:27] <mdeslaur> pitti: ok, thanks
[15:30]  * kenvandine -> food!
[15:30] <tkamppeter> pitti, anything to say about the GS problem?
[15:31] <pitti> well, what should I say -- really not fancy introducing such huge changes at this point :/
[15:32] <tkamppeter> pitti, so better as SRU?
[15:32] <didrocks> czajkowski: thanks :)
[15:33] <pitti> tkamppeter: that'd be even less practical; I think PPA first, then P cycle, and if this is stable, perhaps SRU then
[15:36] <tkamppeter> pitti, the SRU would not be a switch to lcms2, this is also still under development by upstream. The SRU would be replacing the shared and upstream-unmaintained lcms1 by Ghostscript's own lcms1 which is taken care of, anti-segfault-secured, and color-adjusted by Ghostscript upstream. Switchover to lcms2 in P at the earliest, after approval by GS upstream.
[15:37] <tkamppeter> pitti, GS people told me that shared lcms1 has also color adjustemnt problems which would defeat our Color Management stack.
[15:37] <pitti> tkamppeter: I wonder why they can't do that with the real library and send those fixes upstream?
[15:38] <tkamppeter> pitti, as they worked on the lcms1 which is discontinued upstream. LCMS upstream refuses any patches on LCMS1.
[15:38] <pitti> tkamppeter: perhaps you can discuss in #u-release? sorry, I really can't do much right now; I'm in meeting, in a train, almost no bandwidth, and that shaking train makes my stomach turn upside down :(
[15:39] <tkamppeter> pitti, I have posted there but do not get any answer.
[15:40] <dpm> pitti, if possible on the translations side it would be quite useful to have them both (Tuesday and Thursday), as we haven't had updates for a while and the Tuesday one would be very useful to check out the translations and avoid any untranslated messages for the final one. But we can continue the conversation on Monday
[15:41] <pitti> dpm: ok; feel free to reenable the cron job
[15:41] <pitti> dpm: they'll go into unapproved anyway
[15:43] <dpm> pitti, oh, the cron job seemed to be enabled already
[15:44] <dpm> pitti, so it's just a matter of approving the built delta packages on Tuesday, I guess?
[15:45] <tkamppeter> seb128, suspend problem seems to be solved.
[15:45] <seb128> tkamppeter, great, thanks for confirming
[15:45] <pitti> dpm: right
[15:45] <pitti> seb128: oh, did we get a new control-center for that?
[15:46] <seb128> pitti, no, I asked people to set the gsettings value to 0 manually to confirm that fixes it
[15:46] <pitti> ah, I see
[15:46] <seb128> pitti, rodrigo_ still try to fix the "never" option being broken before doing the upload
[15:46] <dpm> ok, thanks pitti, I'll ping you on Tuesday to approve them then.
[15:46] <pitti> ok, thanks
[15:47] <rodrigo_> seb128, pitti: the g-c-c part is fixed, but the g-s-d part (setting a timeout for 0 seconds) is driving me nuts
[15:47] <pitti> rodrigo_: if you upload something today, please ask in #u-release for quick review; I'll go offline after release meeting
[15:47] <rodrigo_> I just uploaded the g-c-c package
[15:47] <pitti> great
[15:47] <rodrigo_> pitti, well, I guess it can wait, or is it urgent to have stuff approved now?
[15:48] <pitti> rodrigo_: wow; from a naive POV this seems to be a really simple bug, but I guess the code is a lot more hairy than it seems?
[15:48] <pitti> rodrigo_: the earlier the better
[15:49] <seb128> rodrigo_, pitti: does https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/862474 seems right to you?
[15:49] <pitti> rodrigo_: (testing for regressions over the weekend is valuable)
[15:49] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 862474 in gnome-settings-daemon "Backlight control for "dell_backlight" is missing in gsd-backlight-helper" [Undecided,New]
[15:49] <rodrigo_> pitti, yes, the code clearly checks for the timeout being 0, so not sure where it's done
[15:49] <seb128> trivial patch: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/862474/+attachment/2481194/+files/add_dell_backlight.patch
[15:49] <rodrigo_> pitti, ok, I'll ask for rewview, or do you still have time to do it? (just uplaoded)
[15:49] <seb128> it adds dell_backlight to the known backlight controlers
[15:50] <seb128> rodrigo_, ^ do you think we could include that in the g-s-d upload?
[15:50] <seb128> rodrigo_, I've asked about it on #control-center as well, let's see if the others reply
[15:50] <rodrigo_> seb128, yes
[15:50] <pitti> seb128: it seems sane enough; you have a dell, does this work for you?
[15:51] <pitti> rodrigo_: I'll try to still do it; thanks!
[15:51] <seb128> pitti, I'm about to test, I just crossed it while triaging
[15:51] <rodrigo_> pitti, ok thanks
[15:51] <seb128> pitti, backlight control works ok on my e6410 with oneiric but I will try anyway to make sure it doesn't break anything there
[15:52] <seb128> I will try also on my old dell but that might be for next week, it's not running oneiric yet, I need to try on an usb stick or upgrade
[16:07] <jibel> cyphermox, do you know what happened to nm-applet bug 863363 ?
[16:07] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 863363 in network-manager-applet "Network Manager doesn't show network list" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/863363
[16:07] <cyphermox> jibel: will be fixed with a dbusmenu upload shortly
[16:08] <jibel> cyphermox, great, thanks.
[16:13] <cyphermox> jibel: was bug 862989, I just marked the one you linked as a duplicate of it
[16:13] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 862989 in libdbusmenu "nm-applet don't show available networks for connection" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/862989
[16:17] <didrocks> ok, time for some exercice, have a good week-end everyone
[16:18] <didrocks> (I let my script run meanwhile)
[16:23] <pitti> Sweetshark: hello o/
[16:26] <pitti> Good night everyone!
[16:27] <pitti> rodrigo_: control-center accepted, thanks for the fix
[16:28] <pitti> Sweetshark: please call my mobile if you have questions/doubts about the new LibO and the pre-depends
[16:30] <Sweetshark> pitti: yes
[16:30] <Sweetshark> although
[16:31] <Sweetshark> lemme paste this quickly
[16:35] <rodrigo_> pitti, thanks
[16:51] <jml> did Image Viewer used to have a Crop feature?
[16:52] <davmor2> jml nope, it's a view
[16:53] <jml> davmor2: unless of course one wants to flip or rotate
[16:53] <jml> davmor2: which don't really count as edits, even if you can save them :)
[16:56] <davmor2> jml: I think it is gthumb which looked like EOG but had the extra feature like edit ect
[16:59] <jml> davmor2: hmm. ok. then I guess I'm just imagining being able to crop in the default image viewer.
[16:59] <jml> would be nice to not have to bring out the gimp every time I want to crop something
[16:59] <jml> but I guess that's a topic better aimed at other channels
[16:59] <jml> ta
[17:00] <dobey> jml: you might want shotwell, f-spot, or photobomb
[17:01] <dobey> there was one point where i ended up having gthumb as a default for some file types, but no idea how it happened. i think some change in an update to mime stuff messed a couple things up
[17:30] <seb128> re
[17:31] <seb128> bah, laptop docked suspended again!
[17:33] <kenvandine> seb128, my desktop did while i was at lunch, and when it resumed nothing could talk to dbus.. that was annoying
[17:33] <kenvandine> lots of timeout errors
[17:33] <kenvandine> amazing how little actually works without dbus :/
[17:34] <seb128> kenvandine, so we though the issue was only the gsettings key default to 1800 for idle suspend on ac, but mine is set to 0, I triple checked today
[17:34] <seb128> so there is still a bug there
[17:34] <kenvandine> damn
[17:34] <kenvandine> i had left mine defaults on purpose
[17:34] <kenvandine> but since lunch i changed it
[17:35] <kenvandine> i'll   work on my laptop for a bit and see if it suspends
[17:39] <seb128> kenvandine, well default is wrong, the g-s-d packaging vcs has a schemas patch for 1800->0 to the gsettings
[17:39] <seb128> kenvandine, rodrigo meant to upload that today, he was tracking another bug before upload
[17:39] <seb128> kenvandine, so I was testing if the default change was enough, but seems it's not for me :-(
[17:58] <GunnarHj> gilir: Thanks for the approval! Then I'll go hunting for a sponsor (but not tonight).
[18:03] <gilir> GunnarHj, I can upload it, but we need an approval from the release team also :)
[18:05] <seb128> gilir, GunnarHj: they will review what is in the queue
[18:05] <seb128> gilir, btw how come you didn't switch to lightdm?
[18:08] <gilir> seb128, a bloody segfault around feature freeze, a theme not ready, and the bad experience of xubuntu people during alpha testing :)
[18:09] <gilir> but I tested it recently, it should be ok to switch early in the P cycle
[18:10] <seb128> gilir, ok, let us know if there is anything missing still
[18:10] <seb128> we will make sure it's a smooth cycle including for derivatives next cycle
[18:10] <seb128> but that said, dinner time, bbl!
[18:11] <jbicha> cyphermox: ping
[18:17] <GunnarHj> gilir: I think seb128 meant that it's the other way around: upload first, then somebody in the release team decides whether to pass it on to the archive.
[18:18] <gilir> GunnarHj, yes :) I'll do it later tonight :)
[18:19] <GunnarHj> gilir: Ok, just wanted to make sure. ;-)
[18:21] <jbicha> cyphermox: I think we'll have to revert the nm-applet autostart change for GNOME Shell, it breaks VPN & the UI bug is quite minor now
[18:21] <cyphermox> how does it break vpn?
[18:22] <jbicha> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=660044
[18:22] <ubot2> Gnome bug 660044 in nm-applet "Don't autostart nm-applet in GNOME Shell" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[18:22] <jbicha> bug 863120
[18:22] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 863120 in gnome-shell "Cannot connect to VPN since upgrade to gnome-shell 3.1.92" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/863120
[18:23] <cyphermox> let me give this a try
[18:25]  * cyphermox cries
[18:25] <stgraber> cyphermox: what? thought you were done with it? ;)
[18:25] <cyphermox> jbicha: I know it's not your fault, I just really don't like doing changes to revert them a week after, especially after final freeze.
[18:26] <cyphermox> stgraber: thought I might get away without doing stuff twice
[18:26] <cyphermox> as in, that I could focus on the things that are genuinely broken, rather than on stuff that is broken because of packaging, for instance
[18:26] <jbicha> cyphermox: sorry, didn't have a VPN; but the double network authentication dialog only seems to show when I cancel the first one
[18:27] <cyphermox> jbicha: np
[18:27] <cyphermox> I'm reverting the patch now
[18:27] <jbicha> cyphermox: thanks
[18:27] <cyphermox> stgraber: you wouln't happen to know about libnl by any chance ? :)
[18:31] <stgraber> cyphermox: nope :(
[18:35] <cyphermox> aw
[21:35] <czajkowski> just done latest updates, my default movie player vlc is now not my default, and my dictionary in thunderbird is gone