| ajmitch | yes | 00:01 |
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| ojwb | thanks | 00:03 |
| ajmitch | there's a defined set of packages that make up the desktop seed, I can't remember exactly where the info is about desktop vs server support, but it's out there :) | 00:25 |
| ojwb | so is it actually packages which are installed by default rather than those in main? | 00:27 |
| ojwb | it's almost like this 5 year figure is mostly marketting smoke and mirrors | 00:28 |
| ajmitch | both desktop & server packages are in main, the server subset is what gets 5 years support | 00:28 |
| ojwb | but what's the server subset? | 00:28 |
| ojwb | main - (desktop seed)? | 00:29 |
| ojwb | + (server seed) I guess | 00:29 |
| ajmitch | more likely to be the server seed, rather than all of main | 00:29 |
| ajmitch | but the server seed is more than what's installed by default, obviously | 00:29 |
| ojwb | oh, is this what goes on the CD? | 00:30 |
| ajmitch | more or less | 00:30 |
| ojwb | hmm https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeedManagement doesn't list a server seed | 00:31 |
| ojwb | i guess it's probably something like minimal + standard + supported | 00:32 |
| ajmitch | http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/ubuntu.lucid/ has all the seeds for lucid | 00:32 |
| ajmitch | server+supported, I think | 00:32 |
| ajmitch | server-ship.seed looks to be what goes onto the cd | 00:33 |
| ojwb | the server seed is tiny! | 00:34 |
| ojwb | supported has stuff like thunderbird though, which must be desktop | 00:34 |
| ojwb | ah the wiki page explains more | 00:37 |
| ojwb | and "Ubuntu Server LTS [...] is defined as the union of the server-ship and supported-server seeds" | 00:38 |
| ajmitch | right, server-ship isn't as tiny as server | 00:46 |
| ajmitch | I'm sure I saw a list of packages generated from this which said 3 vs 5y support | 00:46 |
| * ojwb was just wonder if he cared enough to write such a script | 00:48 | |
| ojwb | but for now I've just generated a list of what we use which isn't in main at all | 00:48 |
| ajmitch | well, looks like there is 'ubuntu-support-status' | 00:52 |
| ajmitch | pity it seems to be broken on my lucid desktop | 00:53 |
| ojwb | and on natty it seems | 00:55 |
| ojwb | "Exception: No date tag found" | 00:55 |
| ajmitch | but what it's actually doing is looking at the package lists | 00:55 |
| ajmitch | in /var/lib/apt/lists/nz.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_lucid_main_binary-amd64_Packages | 00:55 |
| ajmitch | packages have got a Supported: property | 00:56 |
| ojwb | ah yes | 00:56 |
| ojwb | sadly that doesn't show up in apt-cache show | 00:57 |
| ajmitch | you could use it with grep-dctrl | 00:57 |
| ojwb | so something like: cat /var/lib/apt/lists/*_binary-i386_Packages| grep-dctrl -FSupported -PX --pattern 5y -sPackage | 01:04 |
| ajmitch | something like that I guess :) | 01:08 |
| chilts | afternoon | 02:25 |
| locodir-user | Hello?... | 22:00 |
| ojwb | morning | 22:10 |
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