[00:01] <ajmitch> yes
[00:03] <ojwb> thanks
[00:25] <ajmitch> there's a defined set of packages that make up the desktop seed, I can't remember exactly where the info is about desktop vs server support, but it's out there :)
[00:27] <ojwb> so is it actually packages which are installed by default rather than those in main?
[00:28] <ojwb> it's almost like this 5 year figure is mostly marketting smoke and mirrors
[00:28] <ajmitch> both desktop & server packages are in main, the server subset is what gets 5 years support
[00:28] <ojwb> but what's the server subset?
[00:29] <ojwb> main - (desktop seed)?
[00:29] <ojwb> + (server seed) I guess
[00:29] <ajmitch> more likely to be the server seed, rather than all of main
[00:29] <ajmitch> but the server seed is more than what's installed by default, obviously
[00:30] <ojwb> oh, is this what goes on the CD?
[00:30] <ajmitch> more or less
[00:31] <ojwb> hmm https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeedManagement doesn't list a server seed
[00:32] <ojwb> i guess it's probably something like minimal + standard + supported
[00:32] <ajmitch> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/ubuntu.lucid/ has all the seeds for lucid
[00:32] <ajmitch> server+supported, I think
[00:33] <ajmitch> server-ship.seed looks to be what goes onto the cd
[00:34] <ojwb> the server seed is tiny!
[00:34] <ojwb> supported has stuff like thunderbird though, which must be desktop
[00:37] <ojwb> ah the wiki page explains more
[00:38] <ojwb> and "Ubuntu Server LTS [...] is defined as the union of the server-ship and supported-server seeds"
[00:46] <ajmitch> right, server-ship isn't as tiny as server
[00:46] <ajmitch> I'm sure I saw a list of packages generated from this which said 3 vs 5y support
[00:48]  * ojwb was just wonder if he cared enough to write such a script
[00:48] <ojwb> but for now I've just generated a list of what we use which isn't in main at all
[00:52] <ajmitch> well, looks like there is 'ubuntu-support-status'
[00:53] <ajmitch> pity it seems to be broken on my lucid desktop
[00:55] <ojwb> and on natty it seems
[00:55] <ojwb> "Exception: No date tag found"
[00:55] <ajmitch> but what it's actually doing is looking at the package lists
[00:55] <ajmitch> in /var/lib/apt/lists/nz.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_lucid_main_binary-amd64_Packages
[00:56] <ajmitch> packages have got a Supported: property
[00:56] <ojwb> ah yes
[00:57] <ojwb> sadly that doesn't show up in apt-cache show
[00:57] <ajmitch> you could use it with grep-dctrl
[01:04] <ojwb> so something like: cat /var/lib/apt/lists/*_binary-i386_Packages| grep-dctrl  -FSupported -PX --pattern 5y -sPackage
[01:08] <ajmitch> something like that I guess :)
[02:25] <chilts> afternoon
[22:00] <locodir-user> Hello?...
[22:10] <ojwb> morning