[00:01] yes [00:03] thanks [00:25] there's a defined set of packages that make up the desktop seed, I can't remember exactly where the info is about desktop vs server support, but it's out there :) [00:27] so is it actually packages which are installed by default rather than those in main? [00:28] it's almost like this 5 year figure is mostly marketting smoke and mirrors [00:28] both desktop & server packages are in main, the server subset is what gets 5 years support [00:28] but what's the server subset? [00:29] main - (desktop seed)? [00:29] + (server seed) I guess [00:29] more likely to be the server seed, rather than all of main [00:29] but the server seed is more than what's installed by default, obviously [00:30] oh, is this what goes on the CD? [00:30] more or less [00:31] hmm https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeedManagement doesn't list a server seed [00:32] i guess it's probably something like minimal + standard + supported [00:32] http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/ubuntu.lucid/ has all the seeds for lucid [00:32] server+supported, I think [00:33] server-ship.seed looks to be what goes onto the cd [00:34] the server seed is tiny! [00:34] supported has stuff like thunderbird though, which must be desktop [00:37] ah the wiki page explains more [00:38] and "Ubuntu Server LTS [...] is defined as the union of the server-ship and supported-server seeds" [00:46] right, server-ship isn't as tiny as server [00:46] I'm sure I saw a list of packages generated from this which said 3 vs 5y support [00:48] * ojwb was just wonder if he cared enough to write such a script [00:48] but for now I've just generated a list of what we use which isn't in main at all [00:52] well, looks like there is 'ubuntu-support-status' [00:53] pity it seems to be broken on my lucid desktop [00:55] and on natty it seems [00:55] "Exception: No date tag found" [00:55] but what it's actually doing is looking at the package lists [00:55] in /var/lib/apt/lists/nz.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_lucid_main_binary-amd64_Packages [00:56] packages have got a Supported: property [00:56] ah yes [00:57] sadly that doesn't show up in apt-cache show [00:57] you could use it with grep-dctrl [01:04] so something like: cat /var/lib/apt/lists/*_binary-i386_Packages| grep-dctrl -FSupported -PX --pattern 5y -sPackage [01:08] something like that I guess :) [02:25] afternoon [22:00] Hello?... [22:10] morning