[00:09] what's the deal with this guy driving his 4x4 up snowdon? [00:11] i mean why leave it up there [00:11] why not just drive it back down before anyone even notices [00:15] [Jono Bacon] Get Your App In Ubuntu - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/09/29/get-your-app-in-ubuntu/ [00:18] He left a quad up there? [00:18] ...or a landrover? [00:19] * ball isn't sure what a 4x4 is [00:20] a landrover yes [00:20] but not a landrover, a different one [02:05] lo [02:11] just upgraded to natty. problems. apt-get-install nfs-common returns "Errors were encountered while processing:nfs-common". [02:12] *reinstalled with natty [02:12] bizarrely, just before the error it takes me to ctrl-alt-f1 where there's a screen of errors [02:12] not had that happen before, is that new? :s [02:13] i thought it was a kernel panic at first [02:13] ah yeah, probably the wrong time to ask questions in a uk channel :| [02:54] i'm beginning to think that natty isn't so much of an upgrade, more a test of endurance [06:59] morning all [07:00] morning AlanBell [07:04] Pendulum: happy birthday [07:04] * AlanBell looks forward to an evening of curry [07:11] * AlanBell wants an SSD in this laptop [07:14] Morning [07:16] Morning [07:31] Morning all! [07:31] o/ [07:31] \o [07:31] Last day of work for 2 weeks today \o/ [07:38] Morning all - A lovely Friday morning only shattered by Mrs TheOpenSourcerer screaming at the kids for 20mins ;-) [08:10] * daubers converts all of his OU guides pdf's to mp3's using espeak [08:16] developer.ubuntu.com "Ubuntu is the third most popular operating system in the world." - really? [08:17] they dont reveal who they asked :D [08:17] ask me, go on. [08:17] does android count [08:17] "most popular" is very wooly [08:17] maybe most popular desktop OS [08:17] 3rd [08:18] i think you're thinking numbers of installs? [08:18] yep [08:18] it doesnt say that ☺ [08:18] it doesn't say anything :) [08:18] well indeed [08:18] :-\ [08:32] that site also barely mentions free software [08:35] Good morning peeoples :) [08:40] wheeeeee [08:40] popey: fun, isn't it? === oli is now known as Guest32743 === redbaron is now known as maxivano [08:49] I never know when there's a netsplit - turned off a load of stuff in irssi and can't remember how to selectively re-enable [08:51] you have stuff on ignore? [08:51] type /ignore to see what you're ignoring [08:52] then /unignore N (where N is the number next to the thing you're ignoring) [08:52] danfish: i enabled a load of pidgin extras that turn off joins too [08:54] Aww, the mono font hasn't come though update manager yet [08:55] danfish, irssi has a setting to hide netsplits, hide_netsplit_quits [08:56] handy [08:57] i used to use it back in the irssi days [08:57] good stuff [08:59] "back in the day" [08:59] gord: tx [08:59] when i were a lad, these here ircd's were all forest. [09:00] Morning Daviey o/ [09:00] aloha [09:00] Hi all o/ [09:00] hi czajkowski :) # [09:00] hows everyone? [09:03] hey selinuxium [09:05] Daviey, You still got the thumb drive of mine? lol (seriously, no issues fella) [09:08] Hmm. [09:09] It did go into an envelope. [09:09] erk. [09:09] Out of context is amusing [09:10] bigcalm: 1), that will teach you to reboot. 2) I'm not sure the context was family friendly. [09:10] Daviey: you're just making it worse now :P [09:12] :) [09:12] Wouldn't it be really good if Oneiric wasn't released for another month. [09:13] Well, I doubt I'll upgrade for at least a month. Hopefully with similar results [09:14] Or did you just want an 11.11.11 release date? [09:14] ohhh 11.11.11 [09:14] and 12.12.12 [09:14] seeing as we got 10.10.10 [09:14] should have changed all the releses to that [09:15] Might make for better pr [09:15] hindsight is a great thing [09:15] If it were to release on 11.11.11, don't do it at 11am :( [09:15] czajkowski: nah, it messes with the cycle length too much [09:16] i dont think 11.11.11 is wise [09:16] isnt that armistice day? [09:16] Yes [09:16] Hence 11am [09:16] ofc' PR is more importiant than having enough time to get stuff done. [09:16] you worry too much [09:16] Hehe [09:16] 329 upgraded, 36 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded. [09:16] Need to get 379 MB of archives. [09:16] yeah, its been quite intense this cycle [09:16] love it [09:16] Glad to see we are stablisng. [09:18] armistice day [09:18] *googles* [09:18] Really? [09:18] My goodness [09:18] czajkowski: You are kidding, right? [09:19] A min silence at 11am on 11th November each year [09:19] good morning everyone. [09:19] Hi brobostigon [09:19] unity has 84 bugs fix released yesterday :) [09:19] morning bigcalm [09:19] Daviey: nope sure how would I know that [09:19] gord: I know, i tried to review the mess of a diff. I gave up. [09:20] * Daviey wonders what they teach kids at school these days. [09:20] Eire were not involved in the great war, so no need to mark the end of it I guess [09:21] Oh rly. [09:21] They weren't in ww2. I need to check on ww1 [09:21] wow, it is 19c already, :( [09:21] bigcalm: only 200K were involved, not that many i guess. [09:22] Daviey: you know what april 24th means to the irish eh ? [09:22] :/ [09:22] czajkowski: yes [09:22] brobostigon, last bit of warm of the year i think, enjoy it whilst it lasts :) [09:22] czajkowski, ireland celebrates the sixth day after gords birthday? weird holiday [09:22] gord: i hope so. i dont enjoy it, because the heat messes with my eczema. [09:23] Daviey: http://europeanhistory.about.com/od/worldwar1/a/ww1countriesalp.htm [09:24] Daviey: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proclamation_of_the_Irish_Republic [09:24] !info libgweather-common [09:24] libgweather-common (source: libgweather): GWeather common files. In component main, is extra. Version 2.30.3-1ubuntu1 (natty), package size 625 kB, installed size 3756 kB [09:25] bigcalm: and a bunch of those countries no longer exist, does that mean the residents of the area were not involved? [09:26] * bigcalm shrugs [09:26] Daviey: I was just being specific about Eire [09:28] ah, ok :) [09:30] Eire was also not in ww2 but NI was. There were [Eire] markers along the coast line to stop air invasion. But there were also numbers in each marker that the Allies knew about so they knew were they were along the coast. [09:31] The things you learn from Coast :) [09:32] czajkowski: Hayley is really getting into planning for her 40th b'day in Ireland. Would you recommend air or sea travel? Sea would be Holly Head to Dublin [09:32] * AlanBell recommends going at some time czajkowski isn't travelling [09:33] Hehe [09:33] bigcalm: the fast ferry from hollyhead is quite fun, it is a giant jetboat [09:33] aye it is :) [09:34] otherwise the overnight one from swansea is good [09:34] but depends on where you want to go in Ireland? If just in Dublin, I'll take the ferry. [09:34] on the Julia [09:34] I wouldnt recommend going to dublin for a holiday [09:35] swansea-cork ferry, or fly to shannon [09:35] bigcalm: head to shannon or cork [09:35] and go Cork or galway [09:35] prettier and down to kerry [09:35] We will be travelling around, mostly in NI this time but starting in Eire [09:36] Looking at a driving holiday. Haven't decided if to take my car or hire one there [09:41] hmm always find it odd seeing NI and eire - it;s ireland dude :) [09:41] 4 green fields [09:41] It's all part of the EU, dude. [09:41] Tell that to my wallet :( [09:48] yeah same way I find it kinda offensive I guess if people ask me am I from the south [09:48] I'm from ireland [09:48] only people in NI will ever say they are from NI [09:49] on second thoughts, let us not go to northern ireland. it is a silly place. [09:50] I went once and never again was rather scared and didn't feel safe at all [09:51] I have been there quite a few times [09:51] some bits were odd, where they painted the kerbs red white and blue [09:51] yes but yo've an english accent [09:52] I ended up in areas for me with an irish accent was not safe or smart [09:52] didn't like it will never go up there again till we're joined as one . [09:54] I really hope things calm down there soon. [09:54] never happen. [09:54] too many people are invested in it remaining how it is [09:55] It's nice to dream [09:55] it saddens me to think of the people who have been victims of a centuries-old battle [09:56] dwatkins, http://images.wikia.com/babylon5/images/c/c2/DraziPurpleGreen01.jpg [09:56] * popey is filling the pool [09:56] going to be a wet weekend at popey towers [09:57] is flash broken (aside from usual) in 11.10? [09:57] in chrome [09:57] popey: nice for the kids [09:57] hope it stays as nice [09:58] popey: I thought you'd ditched flash? [09:58] pop not for me as of yesterday's upgrade... [09:58] but then I'm on canary. [09:58] I'll put the heater on so it's nice and warmy inside [09:58] directhex: indeed, Babylon 5 had many parallels to 20th century Earth [09:58] * popey redownloads [09:58] directhex: dwatkins I hope one day the island can be reunited as one. it should be. but wiht that comes the extra burden of health care taxes, education, and we do things very differently in ireland. [09:59] popey: it should have installed an apt-get source for you ... are you using chrome-stabele? [09:59] (and it may have broken since yesterday - lemme do an upgrade) [09:59] 14.0.835 [09:59] but its not chrome thats broken [09:59] its flash [10:00] chromium in general is broken for me, sadly [10:00] pop I thought chrome had it's own flash thing built in? [10:00] broken how, popey? [10:00] browser claims it has no flash [10:00] https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=91962 [10:00] I've to keep killing chrome on 11.10 [10:00] it keeps hanging [10:00] fixed by reinstalling flashplugin-installer [10:00] oh bah [10:01] morning all [10:01] * davmor2 prods czajkowski [10:01] * davmor2 ^5's MooDoo [10:01] keeps dying as I use tweet deck so it just hangs [10:02] czajkowski: run top in terminal I'd imagine that something is use all your memory or all your cpu [10:02] davmor2: nope [10:03] davmor2: onlyu thing is gwibber running at 18 even though I've not opened it as it just is not fast enough for real time tweeting of stuff as 5 min delay is just too slow [10:04] czajkowski: kill it the service still runs in the background even if you have it switched off, check the startup apps and see if anything is listed in there for gwibber or gwibber service [10:05] czajkowski: yeah, gwibber noms memories. [10:05] davmor2: aye [10:05] Mez: I knows [10:05] czajkowski: though, apparently, in oneiric, compiz n oms the most. [10:06] I get nautilis crashing [10:06] a lot [10:07] Mez: 3.7 isn't that much [10:07] Mez: admittedly I have 3Gb in this box [10:13] I re-install flash just to listen to some music on last.fm and it still breaks :( [10:13] Mez: approximately 111Meg [10:13] bigcalm: why not just install lastfm? [10:13] bigcalm: is it a paid account? [10:14] davmor2: no [10:14] It works in windows just fine [10:14] BigRedS: don't want to pay for another music service [10:14] bigcalm: install Rhythmbox and use the last.fm plugin :) [10:14] Does it really work? [10:14] * bigcalm plays [10:15] bigcalm: you don't need to [10:15] just apt-get install lastfm, then run lastfm and ask it for some music [10:15] I've never paid lastfm [10:15] Aha! [10:16] I tried to listen to absolute80s [10:16] And it did just the same thing [10:16] Played for a while and then died [10:16] I can blame flash and be sure of it! [10:17] bigcalm: lastfm and absolute radio both in Rhythmbox by default [10:18] hmmmmmmmmm rhythbox, I remember the good old days when music just used to play [10:18] Ooo, that seems to work now. Wonderful [10:18] Thank you davmor2 [10:19] * bigcalm uninstalls flash again :D [10:19] hahaha [10:20] bigcalm: you can go to the other extreme and treat yourself to a dab radio and get most of the radio channels you can think of, like what I did :) [10:20] davmor2: I have a DAB radio in the kitchen [10:21] I tend to leave it on 6 music [10:21] bigcalm: I leave it on absolute 80's :) [10:21] I have a fairly good sound setup in my office. Don't want to have to have another poor speaker system to add on [10:22] I tend to listen to absolute80s in my car via TuneIn Radio on my Nexus One [10:22] Great station [10:22] bigcalm: there is an absolute 80's app hmmmmmm you know it makes sense :) [10:23] Why would I need another app when TuneIn works [10:23] ? [10:23] Coffee time! [10:24] 2 hours since my last mug. I'm slipping [10:28] czajkowski: you've been promoting a lot of apps recently on twitter. Are you being sponsored to do so? ;) [10:28] bigcalm: nope [10:28] * Mez bungs czajkowski a fiver [10:29] I tweets stuff either A) I use or b) interesting [10:29] AlanBell: thank you! [10:29] I tweet redhat and ubuntu stuff, depends on what I like [10:29] bigcalm: I went straight for the official app so never had tunein [10:29] Pendulum: is there cake with candles? [10:29] Ah [10:29] TuneIn gives you all of the DAB stations and then some I think [10:30] I'm not too sure as I've not used it for anything other than 6 music and Absolute80s ;) [10:32] I use tunein to listen to the world service. that's my dirty little secret. [10:34] AlanBell: there will be! and a fancy dinner out [10:59] Yikes 12pm [11:09] what's that program to install lots of applications on windows at once? sounds like nitin ? [11:10] anything advertised as free, will come with eight different spywares and toolbars ;) [11:12] * czajkowski waves a packet of jammy dodgers in front of gord :p [11:13] oimon: http://ninite.com/ [11:13] \o/ thanks bigcalm [11:13] * davmor2 nicks off with czajkowski dodger of jam [11:13] Or you could download the Open Disc :) [11:13] installing a win xp box/ubuntu dual boot for my bro [11:14] just want a quick way to install some stuff [11:14] czajkowski, have a packet of digestives sitting on my desk :P [11:15] nice [11:15] gord: got a cuppa tea to dunk em in [11:16] czajkowski, yup [11:16] although out of tea now.. will need to go shopping [11:17] czajkowski, gord: I trump your biscuits with the best bottle of dandelion and burdock in the world oh and liquorice allsorts [11:19] even cheapo d&b is still nice [11:19] but i do like that fentimans stuff [11:19] czajkowski: man is no channel I'm on out there safe from you? [11:21] wow that ninite thing just saved me 1/2 hour [11:22] although not nearly as good as apt-get [11:22] oimon: Tis Fentimans that I have [11:24] just noticed this: http://www.ulule.com/debian-handbook/?utm_campaign=project_1973&utm_source=ohso&utm_medium=widget1 [11:24] davmor2: I left the last channel [11:25] czajkowski: linaro now though ;) [11:25] czajkowski: I don't suppose it helps that I'm on most channels the same as you :P [11:25] davmor2: been there for a long time [11:30] czajkowski, you're welcome to 'em. nobody outside NI cares about NI being part of the union. the people from NI might object to my analysis though [11:36] heh, I'm not touching that one ;) [11:44] * daubers does the happy dance [11:46] if files are chown'ed www-data:www-data, how can i make the user 'ubuntu' able to edit/delete them [11:47] without using sudo [11:47] dogmatic69: Add the user ubuntu to the "www-data" group [11:47] im trying to do that [11:47] useradd -G www-data ubuntu [11:48] right? [11:48] You'll also need to check that the files are group read/write [11:48] dogmatic69: You'll need to restart any terminal sessions for that change to take effect [11:48] its www-data:www-data in ls -al [11:48] ah [11:48] dogmatic69: The rwx part is more important for the second bit [11:49] its all drwxr-xr-x [11:49] Yeah, so group members don't have write permissions [11:49] chmod g+w [11:49] nice, thanks [11:50] now drwxrwxr-x 10 www-data www-data [11:50] still cant :/ [11:51] ubuntu user is not in www-data [11:51] dogmatic69: Have you restarted the terminal session since adding yourself to the group? [11:51] groups [11:51] ubuntu adm dialout cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev admin [11:51] yep [11:51] i exit'ed and ssh'ed back in [11:51] I just pwned a linux/unix session [11:51] awesome [11:52] this is what im getting [11:52] useradd -G www-data ubuntu [11:52] useradd: user 'ubuntu' already exists [11:52] adduser ubuntu www-data [11:52] dogmatic69: Can you pastebin the contents of /etc/groups please? [11:53] daubers: no such file [11:53] /etc/group even [11:53] sorry [11:53] MartijnVdS: i think that was the one :) === frz is now known as Guest33252 [11:54] yep, thanks MartijnVdS (again) :D [11:54] dogmatic69: If yuo do "grep www-admin /etc/group" you can see who's in the group [11:55] (www-data) [11:55] Remember: you have to log out and back in for group changes to take effect [11:55] shauno: Yeah... that :) === Guest33252 is now known as fr-z [12:34] wahoo, put popey into my google+ now i have somthing interesting to read in there :) [12:36] I added a few hundred photographers, and it's now my constantly streaming distraction from work :) [12:36] * daubers has cleaned out all his SD cards ready for holidaying! [12:37] that's right, you're a free man for a couple of weeks ain't ya? where you got planned? [13:07] PHWOAR EET EEZ WELL 'OT === seeker_ is now known as seeker [13:13] http://www.bcs.org/content/ConWebDoc/41634 pass it onto any women you may know who might be interested in attending [13:14] does anyone know why ufw doesn't work properly from cron? [13:19] iphone mounting broken again in 11.10 with ios5 beta ☹ [13:24] popey: Using a beta with a beta and it's broken? [13:24] And that's why you use Android phones [13:24] shauno: Off to egypt on sunday \o/ [13:25] daubers: you're HazRPG?! :) [13:25] MartijnVdS: Hmmmm? [13:25] daubers: he's from there [13:26] Ah, ok. [13:29] aha, I need something other than just the path to ufw itself, time to narrow things down === Guest32743 is now known as Oli [13:45]  neat -_- [13:46] aww doesn't look so good in xchat [13:46] Doesn't look at all in xchat [13:46] you need to be on an up to date 11.10 :P [13:46] Or irssi :S [13:46] Why would I want to do that? :P [13:47] Might upgrade in November or December [13:47] gord: oh mono font [13:47] _might_ upgrade my laptop in October [13:47] Oh, yeah. I downloaded the mono font on my laptop. Doesn't seem to have made it to 10.10 or 11.04 though [13:48] its a great font to code in [13:48] going back to non ubuntu fonts to code in just feels wrong [13:48] I have been using it for ages, I like it [13:48] I've change the system font on the laptop to be it. It is indeed great [13:48] gord: hahaha [13:49] AlanBell: I was till it disappeared out of the ppa when it got added to the font family package [13:49] yeah been using it for at least a year, feels like forever ago, surprised it took this long [13:50] x→y ☺unneat [13:50] :P [13:50] gord: indeed but lets be fair it had to be right, all the devs will be using it most of the day [13:50] i can't tell the difference between now and when i first got it :P [13:52] gord: lots of really minor subtle tweaks and usage to make sure it was right before release [13:53] There we go. Monospace installed for use in Eclipse [13:53] Ubuntu monospace is a lot smaller than monospace [13:53] How odd [13:54] yeah fonts are weird, whack it up a bit [13:54] hmm [13:55] how many women in the Ubuntu UK team actually in the UK ? [13:55] AlanBell: ^^ [13:55] totally depends on how you count who is in the team [13:56] hmmm [13:56] true [13:57] you could say the same for people who joined the team, yet no longer live in the UK. [13:57] there are about a thousand people in the mailing list and launchpad, no idea where most of them are or their genders [13:58] oggcamp attendees are probably a fairly representative selection [13:59] Wow [13:59] and on the definition of living in uk [13:59] yes indeed Myrtti :) [13:59] Myrtti: join us! [13:59] there were lots of women at oggcamp [14:00] My Hayley wanted to come along, I didn't even have to ask her. But she doesn't have any interest in Ubuntu. Swings and roundabouts :) [14:00] bigcalm: eventually... I do consider being more active in the uk loco than fi one [14:00] yeah I guess just hard to judge is all [14:00] Myrtti: you are too [14:01] just be nice to get a rough idea of women in UK loco [14:01] some of the women at oggcamp aren't in Ubuntu either [14:01] indeed [14:01] so while it was a great turn out [14:01] I have to say that the lower case i looks a little odd in monospace [14:01] doesn't actually give us an idea [14:02] czajkowski: some of the men too had not much to do with ubuntu [14:02] census [14:02] czajkowski: so how would you count marianna? [14:02] I suggested one for Meego in the spring [14:03] AlanBell: aye as it was oggcamp some were LO [14:03] AlanBell: marianna, I consider her Ubuntu but I don't think she's in the UK team [14:04] just to get a ballpark idea of the users [14:04] not sure how many of millbank are on the team or the list tbh. I know some area [14:04] Myrtti: exactly [14:04] popey: how do LO and UUPC listening figures compare? [14:04] rather than feeling like the only one always turning up :/ be kinda nice to know there are more over here [14:04] turning up is a whole other issue [14:05] http://pix.ie/czajkowski/1319568/size/720 4 aint so bad [14:18] anyone tried the ubuntuone for windows? [14:20] worked okay last time i tried, but that was before the latest cool stuff [14:25] gord: why won't the app launcher appear over a fullscreen Firefox? [14:27] because it is incredibly buggy [14:28] davmor2, not sure :) but i would expect its because its got the fullscreen hint, would be rather annoying if your in a game for example and every time you try and click something on the left, the launcher came out [14:30] that actually happens [14:30] except you can't see it [14:30] but it still steals clicks from the game === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [15:10] if i'm setting up ubuntu for a family of 5, what's the recommended way to setup 5 accounts but keep the non-default settings i've set up on the first account? do a cp -r /home/user1 /home/user2 etc? [15:11] talking bout gnome settings on lucid [15:12] popey, i envy you having a pool!!! [15:12] oimon: there was a question about that on ask ubuntu [15:12]