[00:00] <cyberanger> I've not been there before, I don't know people there now, and I didn't see anyone there stealing, too hypothetical
[00:00] <cyberanger> I can tell you what I think I'd do, but I just don't know, it's not happening now, never did before
[00:00]  * wrst makes attempt 3 at ubuntu minimal install
[00:01] <wrst> yeah cyberanger you don't know until you are there
[00:01] <cyberanger> she phrased it perfectly too, tore down any walls, anything that kept it from feeling personal
[00:02] <wrst_shell> hmm cool
[00:02] <cyberanger> I don't have many friends in town, so saying I saw it
[00:02] <cyberanger> it was targetted to make it personal, and something like that, it'd be a shock
[00:03] <cyberanger> but yeah, a bit of an ambush in ways for that
[00:03] <cyberanger> that tear down the walls, rip up the textbook, one on one, here's the job, can you do it
[00:04] <cyberanger> here's your coworkers, can you work with them, can you turn them in, they're your friends now, can you
[00:06] <cyberanger> act like you didn't plan a response (by not acting, but being honest) and hope it's enough, show your charater, show you can answer a question 20 times harder than the job, that'd be the hardeest thing about this job if it happened
[00:07] <cyberanger> some people have different answers in mind, I didn't answer her, I responded like it was actually happening
[00:07] <cyberanger> best I can do
[00:07] <cyberanger> show that I think on my feet, but take it serously, and so on
[00:07] <cyberanger> anyhow, time to go, bbl
[00:08] <Unit193> Adios mate, see ya
[00:11] <wrst> later cyberanger
[00:13] <Unit193> Bah, I need more pandora stations...
[01:45] <wrst> Unit193: getting repeats
[01:46] <Unit193> That too
[01:46] <Unit193> Just need more verity
[02:23] <wrst> Unit193: watching a show on discovery called "Track Me If You Can" about living off the grid, its reminding me of cyberanger :)
[02:23] <Unit193> wrst: Yeah, was thinking the same thing as I read that (Or what you would be thinking). We be watching Doctor Who reruns :D
[02:28] <wrst> he has a baseball cap with LED lights to hide from cameras at night
[02:30] <Unit193> Heh, wow...
[02:30] <wrst> the leds aren't visible, but blind the cameras in low light
[12:11] <pace_t_zulu> gross
[12:11] <pace_t_zulu> netsplit
[12:11] <pace_t_zulu> who is meetingology`
[12:12] <wrst> a bot of some sort pace_t_zulu i'm unsure of purpose
[12:12] <wrst> of course you knew that :)
[12:13] <pace_t_zulu> pleia2: do you know anything about this meetingology` clown?
[12:21] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: :)
[12:33] <pace_t_zulu> hey guys ... reminder that we have a meeting next thursday ... http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/tennessee.team/157/detail/
[12:34] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger wrst Svpernova09 orias ... reminder about meeting next thursday
[12:34] <pace_t_zulu> add agenda items for next thursday's meeting at http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/tennessee.team/157/detail/
[14:24] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: you saying that cause the adgenda is light
[14:31] <cyberanger> wrst: didn't know about that show, but check out http;//www.wired.com/vanish
[14:31] <cyberanger> I know that's something I think of
[14:43] <wrst> ahh cyberanger that's interesting
[14:43] <wrst> it is neat to think of trying to go under the radar
[14:50] <cyberanger> trying to imagine what evan ratliff did, kinda makes me wonder
[14:58] <wrst> cyberanger: you have anything much going on this weekend?
[15:35] <pace_t_zulu> wrst cyberanger i am planning a release party in nashville on a friday evening between Oct 14 and Nov 4
[15:35] <pace_t_zulu> wrst cyberanger would either of y'all be able to attend?
[15:35] <pace_t_zulu> xpistos: ^
[15:36] <pace_t_zulu> xpistos: you too on the release party question
[15:46] <wrst> hmm pace_t_zulu possibility
[15:52] <pace_t_zulu> i've updated the meeting agenda
[15:52] <pace_t_zulu> http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/tennessee.team/157/detail/
[15:52] <pace_t_zulu> wrst:
[15:52] <pace_t_zulu> let's get on this map .... http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/
[15:53] <pleia2> pace_t_zulu: here's the instructions for how to use meetingology to track a meeting: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology
[15:55] <pace_t_zulu> pleia2: looks like MootBot++
[15:55] <pleia2> yes, it's mootbot's replacement
[15:55] <pace_t_zulu> f yea
[15:55] <pace_t_zulu> we're using it
[15:55] <pace_t_zulu> i'll ask the MootBot people to get MootBot out of this room
[15:56] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: you seem excited about that :D
[15:56] <pace_t_zulu> pleia2: thanks ... pardon my french up there :/
[15:56] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: i've never been a fan of MootBot beyond it's basic functionality
[15:56] <pace_t_zulu> pleia2: will meetingology` log to a server that will retain logs indefinitely?
[15:56] <wrst> pleia2: you are like the encyclopedia of all things ubuntu and ubuntu related!
[15:57] <pace_t_zulu> MootBot's logs get deleted after a year or so
[15:57] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: pleia2 is very familiar with the loco system ;)
[15:57] <pleia2> pace_t_zulu: it only logs meeting logs, and for transparency your team should keep those around forever
[15:57] <pleia2> so people in the future know the history of the team
[15:57] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: yes by very familiar, meaning she's the stuff!
[15:57] <pace_t_zulu> pleia2: are you saying the team should be responsible for retaining logs?
[15:57] <pace_t_zulu> after about a year or so ...
[15:58] <pleia2> pace_t_zulu: no, I'm saying you shouldn't want them to be deleted
[15:58] <pace_t_zulu> but they will be available through ubuntu's servers in the short term
[15:58] <pleia2> yes
[15:58] <pace_t_zulu> pleia2: i definitely do *not* want them deleted
[15:58] <pace_t_zulu> pleia2: it's been frustrating for me to see them deleted off MootBot's servers
[15:58] <pleia2> at the end of the meeting it outputs some text that you can copy/paste into a wiki page so you have a permanent record, nicely formatted with automatic minutes
[15:59] <wrst> cool
[15:59] <pleia2> like this: http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Meetings/20110908
[15:59] <pace_t_zulu> pleia2: but without an organized effort to validate the logs - there's little way of certifying that our logs have been untampered with once a team member has handled them ...
[15:59] <pleia2> pace_t_zulu: all wiki pages have editing history from the beginning of the page
[15:59] <pleia2> so you can see all revisions
[16:00] <pace_t_zulu> pleia2: doesn't mean the person copy-pasting can't revise in a text editor in between
[16:00] <pleia2> why would they do that?
[16:00] <pace_t_zulu> pleia2: to be quite honest ... i think it'd be an excellent meetingology feature to automate that
[16:01] <pleia2> just make sure the person copying them is trusted, I've just never seen such a case
[16:01] <pace_t_zulu> pleia2: i'm not saying i or anyone else would
[16:01] <pace_t_zulu> pleia2: but where there's opportunity - there are people ready to take it
[16:01] <pleia2> automating anything with the wiki is very, very difficult since it requires authenticated login through launchpad to edit the wiki
[16:01] <pleia2> what kind of people? just have the team leader or someone you trust copy the meeting logs, or someone review them if you're so worried
[16:02] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: i would suggest us assigning that to someone on the leadership team that way it shouldn't be an issue
[16:02] <pace_t_zulu> pleia2, right ... but they could easily be dumped perhaps to loco.ubuntu.com
[16:02] <pleia2> anyway, off to work for me
[16:02] <pace_t_zulu> pleia2: sorry :/
[16:02] <pace_t_zulu> pleia2: is there a channel where meetingology dev's are?
[16:03] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: there is a #meetingology on freenode
[16:03] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: thanks ... you know the MootBot channel perchance?
[16:04] <wrst> nope but I will do some research
[16:04] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: MootBot is only in our channel as far as i can tell
[16:05] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: i'm going to kick MootBot ... hope it's not offended
[16:05] <wrst> yeah pace_t_zulu going to say a kick or kick ban would take care of things
[16:06] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: kick-ban was necessary as you can see
[16:08] <wrst> yes had a feeling that would be required :)
[16:08] <pleia2> the devs of the meetingology` are similar to those of mootbot, I think they all hang out in #ubuntu-bots, that's where you can request removals or ask questions
[16:08] <pleia2> (if not I'm sure they'll tell you to go to the right channel)
[16:12] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: your thoughts on backports?
[16:12] <pace_t_zulu> pleia2: thanks
[16:12] <pace_t_zulu> pleia2: i wasn't trying to criticise ... it looks that way though :/
[16:12] <pace_t_zulu> pleia2: i'm excited about meetingology` :)
[16:13] <pace_t_zulu> and i'll take responsibility for the copy-paste
[16:13] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: you think cyberanger may call foul on copy-paste procedure ;)
[16:14] <wrst> well he does rather like to have i's dottted and t's crossed :)
[16:14] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: there's only one person in this room that i could see calling foul on that (besides me ;) )
[16:14] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: i have never really used the backports much since i generally upgrade every 6 months
[16:14] <pace_t_zulu> and that's cyberanger
[16:14] <pace_t_zulu> love you cyberanger ;)
[16:16] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: lucid packages are a bit stale ...
[16:17] <wrst> yeah pace_t_zulu they are :)
[16:17] <wrst> i think backports is a good solution, I'm a fan of rolling releases, however, on desktop thats fine on say server applications I wouldn't want that
[16:19] <wrst> wb pace_t_zulu
[16:23] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: lucid packages are rather stale
[16:23] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: just added backports repo
[16:23] <wrst> yeah pace_t_zulu, I like backports, i prefer a rolling release on my desktop but on the server I don't think that is the way to go
[16:23] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: had to reboot
[16:24] <wrst> ahh
[16:24] <wrst> had a feeling
[16:24] <wrst> you still using the ec2 instance?
[16:27] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: indeed
[16:50] <wrst> that seems to be working well?
[18:19] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: i have been connected persistently since the spring
[18:19] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: with the exception of some weirdness with quassel-core that was resolved with a package update
[18:20] <pace_t_zulu> i was not connected for like a weekend
[18:25] <Unit193> /remove takes care of it very well too ;)
[19:02] <Unit193> Howdy chris4585
[19:27] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: do they offer any newer ubuntu's?
[21:36] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: yea ...
[21:37] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: i like running lts on server
[21:37] <pace_t_zulu> *LTS
[22:09] <binarymutant> ...this channel is so quiet...
[22:11] <binarymutant> anyone know how to auto-auth with nickserv in irssi?
[22:11] <binarymutant> <-lazy
[22:12] <binarymutant> and how to auto load a script in irssi
[22:12] <binarymutant> <- again lazy
[22:13] <pace_t_zulu> binarymutant:
[22:13] <pace_t_zulu> hi
[22:13] <pace_t_zulu> i'm using irssi atm
[22:13] <binarymutant> pace_t_zulu: hiya!
[22:13] <pace_t_zulu> binarymutant: nice to see you back
[22:13] <pace_t_zulu> binarymutant: i'm setting up znc
[22:14] <pace_t_zulu> http://wiki.znc.in/ZNC
[22:15] <binarymutant> thats pretty cool
[22:15] <pace_t_zulu> yea ... you can connect to it with irssi
[22:16] <pace_t_zulu> but it enables persistent connections without locking you into a specific client
[22:16] <pace_t_zulu> *cough* quassel *cough*
[22:17] <binarymutant> it's a bot
[22:18] <binarymutant> in a sense
[22:19] <binarymutant> pretty nifty if you have a stable connection (i'm using a laptop)
[22:23] <pace_t_zulu> binarymutant: thought about an ec2 deployment?
[22:24] <binarymutant> pace_t_zulu: too much money for me :D
[22:24] <pace_t_zulu> binarymutant: costs me  >$1/month
[22:24] <binarymutant> whaa? really?
[22:24] <pace_t_zulu> binarymutant: last months bill ... $0.92
[22:25] <pace_t_zulu> month before $.94
[22:25] <pace_t_zulu> ubuntu server
[22:25] <binarymutant> I'll have to check into that
[22:25] <binarymutant> pace_t_zulu: you use amazon's service?
[22:25] <pace_t_zulu> originally set it up to tunnel on public wifi
[22:25] <pace_t_zulu> binarymutant: yea
[22:25] <pace_t_zulu> binarymutant: but it's running quassel-core and bitlbee now
[22:26] <pace_t_zulu> i use it to host http://johnhaitas.info ... (shameless plug ;) )
[22:26] <pace_t_zulu> and as a git server
[22:26] <pace_t_zulu> beats the shit out of paying $15/month to GitHub for a grand total of 5 private repos
[22:27] <binarymutant> I thought github gave free repos
[22:27] <binarymutant> bitbucket does :D
[22:27] <binarymutant> like 5 free
[22:27] <binarymutant> pace_t_zulu: I don't really understand the "per hour" pricing ec2 has
[22:28] <pace_t_zulu> binarymutant: github does not provide free private repos
[22:28] <pace_t_zulu> binarymutant: and even a 5 repo limit is too prohitive
[22:29] <pace_t_zulu> binarymutant: it was confusing for me ... but i am paying less than $1 per month ... the server is running 24/7
[22:29] <pace_t_zulu> i am on the free tier/micro tier
[22:29] <binarymutant> that is awesome (signing up now)
[22:29] <binarymutant> pace_t_zulu: your a good salesman :P
[22:29] <pace_t_zulu> binarymutant: i love it
[22:30] <pace_t_zulu> binarymutant: i'd love it if you have one too ... because i know you'd get the most out of it ...
[22:31] <binarymutant> with that said I better read the TOS
[22:31] <pace_t_zulu> binarymutant: i am running a free tier ubuntu server 10.04
[22:33] <binarymutant> signed up for the free acct :D
[22:34] <binarymutant> pace_t_zulu: have you tried rackspaces cloud yet too?
[22:35] <binarymutant> or any others
[22:38] <binarymutant> aw my prepaid credit didn't go through :(
[22:49] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: don't blame you on running LTS on server
[22:52] <binarymutant> uptime is great with stable/lts
[22:54] <pace_t_zulu> binarymutant: haven't tried rackspace ... i use their jungledisk product for work
[22:55] <pace_t_zulu> but never a cloud deployment over there
[22:55] <pace_t_zulu> i suppose i should give it a go
[22:57] <binarymutant> idk I might use that shell provider Unit was talking about, it's free with no cc required
[22:57] <binarymutant> they don't allow tunneling though :/
[22:58] <pace_t_zulu> binarymutant: gotta run ...
[22:58] <pace_t_zulu> binarymutant: who doesn't allow tunneling?
[22:59] <pace_t_zulu> binarymutant: openvnc ... tunnel through there
[22:59] <pace_t_zulu> binarymutant: let me know if you get znc setup on your cloud deployment ;)
[22:59] <binarymutant> pace_t_zulu: will do, thanks for the advice
[23:17] <binarymutant> [gripe] devs not supporting their products well (luakit)