yofelnot from me :D00:01
* ryanakca should probably send an email to the ML and give everybody until Monday to object.00:09
DarkwingDuckryanakca: Is that the one you showed me the other day?00:11
ryanakcaDarkwingDuck: Yes, test it out on wiki.kubuntu.org, go to Preferences, and select kubuntu-light from the drop down00:11
ryanakcaSee https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Home?action=userprefs&sub=prefs00:12
DarkwingDuckryanakca: go ahead and make it default.00:20
ScottKOK.  Done.  Now to go beg someone else on the release team to accept it.00:21
DarkwingDuckI'll have one last package to upload as soon as I'm done with it.00:22
ScottKyofel: kile accepted.00:22
ScottKryanakca: What would you think of switching the default on release day?00:23
* yofel hugs ScottK00:23
DarkwingDuckOhhh I like that.00:23
* DarkwingDuck goes back to implimenting translations00:24
CIA-130[qapt] Jonathan Thomas <echidnaman@kubuntu.org> * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20111001003327-nbb9s2kvfjbzf4c0 * debian/ (changelog libqapt1.install libqapt1.symbols) (log message trimmed)00:33
CIA-130* Add changes not present in the previous upload due to me not re-source-00:33
CIA-130building after making them... Fixes FTBFS. * New upstream bugfix release: (LP:00:33
JontheEchidna(just pushing what's in the archive to bzr)00:34
ScottKJontheEchidna: I ran into a guy in Debian today who's interested in Muon.  You might get mail if you didn't already.00:35
JontheEchidnaScottK: yup, we're having a nice email discussion00:35
keffie_jayxmommy mommy when I grow up I wanna be just like ScottK00:38
* keffie_jayx runs00:38
keffie_jayxyou rock dude00:38
ScottKBut trust me, you don't ...00:40
* claydoh catches up00:42
claydohkeffie_jayx: I am not sure the exact fix for your earlier kmail issue yet, there are probably  extra resources (accounts) in there, can't remember if yiu just have to re-edit them or delete and begin from scratch00:44
claydohScottK: I am blind, but i can00:44
keffie_jayxclaydoh: I actually did not have an account with email there00:44
claydoht seem to find kde 4.6.4 for natty in a ppa00:44
keffie_jayxI tried setting up an email account but left some uncofigured stuff like smtp00:44
ScottK4.6.5 is in natty-proposed for testing.00:45
claydohcould be a calendar or contacts resource00:45
ScottKGone from the PPA.00:45
keffie_jayxclaydoh: I am starting from scratch00:45
claydohScottK: ahh just had,'t looked there, did  look in backports00:45
ScottKBe careful, there's other stuff in -proposed too.00:46
claydohkeffie_jayx: I am thinking this should be the recommendation00:46
keffie_jayxclaydoh: I ma trying that00:46
claydohScottK: no prob, this is a VM anyway, all my boxen are either oneiric or kde 4,700:46
keffie_jayxclaydoh: I am lucky not to have any actual email info there, I am just testing upgrade paths00:47
claydohkeffie_jayx: there are some ui bugs, but nothing that breaks anything 00:47
claydohtoo much00:47
ScottKclaydoh: If kde 4.6.5 works for you, please comment in Bug #859562 00:47
ubottuLaunchpad bug 859562 in kde4libs (Ubuntu) "SRU tracking bug for KDE 4.6.5" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/85956200:47
claydohScottK: kk00:47
claydohas a side note, apachelogger, kubuntu-low-fat-settings works in natty well enough, it allows me to run this vm on my laptop00:48
keffie_jayxclaydoh: I have updated and my issue was not resolved01:14
keffie_jayxit seems to be akonadi not knowing the kmail folders01:14
claydohhave you remove/recreated the resources?01:14
keffie_jayxnope will do so now01:15
claydohI didn't document what I did, so I am recreating my account setups01:15
claydohI remember at some point I either deleted my kmail2rc file, or all the akonadir configs01:16
claydohin an upgrade the original kmailrc is kept when creating the kmail2rc01:16
keffie_jayxclaydoh: tried running Akonadi Resources Configuratuion and all is blank01:17
keffie_jayxtry adding modules but all is blank01:17
DarkwingDuckplease let this work...01:18
ryanakcaScottK: We can ask the sysadmins if they'd consider it, but they're typically swamped with everything else on release day. I'll send an email and see what they say.01:18
claydohyeah, in ~/.config/akonadi/ there are individual akonadi-resource configs, maybe try stopping akonadi , moving them and see if that allows you add some after restarting it?01:20
claydohthe configs are similar to this: agent_config_akonadi_ical_resource_201:21
claydohI wonder if th kmail2rc's resource list doesn't match up to the configs in ~/.config/akonadi :(01:22
ScottKOK.  Just a thought.01:24
ScottKNew pim* snapshots accepted.01:27
keffie_jayxclaydoh: deleting akonadi config fixes the issue01:28
claydohthen you loose all your settings :(01:29
claydohI will  be doing an upgrade soon to see what I get this time around :/01:29
keffie_jayxdidn't have much01:29
ScottKIt may be the least bad alternative.01:29
keffie_jayxI made a copy of the config though01:30
keffie_jayxif you need me to test01:30
claydohI will : 1 pop, 2 imaps, a small contact list, my google contacts, and a calendar01:30
claydohI left out 2 imap accounts that are mostly spam traps nowdays, and as the spam filters don't move the spam, it it useless01:33
DarkwingDuckjjesse: I'll get the translations this time around... I'll have a good todo for next time. It's trial and error as I fix/build the scripts01:57
jjesseyay good luck01:57
DarkwingDuckjjesse: :D01:57
DarkwingDuckIt's very... all over the place.01:57
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ScottKclaydoh: Another one for your list: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28314216:00
ubottuKDE bug 283142 in general "Akonadi control module crash just after restarting" [Crash,Unconfirmed]16:00
apacheloggergood morning16:45
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apacheloggerScottK: is it to late to drop kubuntu_63_ksplash_fix.diff from workspace?17:28
apacheloggerthis patch makes me go whoop whoopp whooooooooooop17:28
ScottKHow so?17:29
apacheloggerit is not upstream17:29
apacheloggerand the reason it is not upstream is that it makes assumption about the ximage format17:29
ScottKAnd what impact does that have?17:29
apacheloggerand since the person who made the patch decided to abandon us there is no one who keeps that patch working17:29
* ScottK looks at it.17:29
apacheloggerScottK: I have suspection it causes some ksplash crashes17:29
apacheloggerseen random ksplash crashes in x resource allocation at various places in launchpad17:30
ubottuUbuntu bug 796816 in kdebase-workspace (Ubuntu) "ksplashx crashed with SIGABRT in raise()" [Medium,New]17:30
apacheloggerfor example17:30
ScottKSo it's causing crashes.17:31
apacheloggerdoing stuff in X is *extremly* dangerous if one does not do it right17:31
apacheloggerloads of parts of X are not threadsafe and assume a certian initialization order of memory and whatnot17:31
apacheloggerreally terrible thing17:31
apacheloggerScottK: that it causes that crash is an educated assumption17:32
apacheloggerI did not actually track the stack trace in the source17:32
apacheloggerthen again knowin X there is no direct relationship between our patch and the crash (codewise that is)17:32
ScottKWhat happens if we drop the patch (what do we lose)?17:32
apacheloggerno idea17:33
apachelogger"Do not clip blurry icons"17:33
apacheloggerI have no idea what that even means17:33
apacheloggerScottK: since it aint an issue upstream I frankly do not see why it should be a problem for us17:33
ScottKFound it.17:36
ScottK* Added patch to fix ksplash blurry icon clipping17:36
ScottKkdebase-workspace (4:4.2.0-0ubuntu7) jaunty; urgency=low17:36
apacheloggeryeah, but what does it do17:37
shadeslayeri think i know what that does17:37
shadeslayerin ksplash you have those icons which are loaded one after the other17:37
shadeslayeri remember that the KDE icon at the end was clipped for me17:37
shadeslayerin one of the releases17:37
shadeslayerlike, last couple of pixels17:38
apacheloggerneeds fix upstream17:38
* apachelogger rather has ksplash not crash than miss a couple of pixels17:38
apacheloggeron a related note ... we could simply use a plymouth aligned ksplash theme ^^17:38
shadeslayeri'd rather not have ksplash at all17:38
ScottKapachelogger: I agree (re !crash > misaligned pixels)17:39
yofelI would rather like to know why the kdm background resolution and the ksplash background res are different17:39
apacheloggerfound 3 dups of bug 66551017:39
ubottuLaunchpad bug 665510 in kdebase-workspace (Ubuntu) "ksplashx assert failure: *** glibc detected *** ksplashx: double free or corruption (out): 0x0918cdf8 ***" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/66551017:39
yofelor rather the scaling17:39
apacheloggeryofel: different scaling algorithms17:39
ScottKapachelogger: OK.  I'd say let's drop it.17:39
apacheloggerFWIW ... we'd not have the problem if we were not using stupid CDs and could ship actual high quality artwork in multiple resolutions17:40
yofelapachelogger: yeah, but makes it look utterly unprofessional17:40
shadeslayeryofel: i think that works just fine in KDE master17:40
yofelshadeslayer: great...17:40
apacheloggersee what I wrote :P17:40
shadeslayeri.e. when i use Neon, i've just noticed that when i log into Stable KDE17:40
yofelshadeslayer: and as apachelogger said, we ship all resolutions...17:41
ScottKapachelogger: Can you make it so the Akonadi configuration KCM shows up somewhere (e.g. systemsettings)?17:41
apacheloggeryofel: we do not17:41
shadeslayeryofel: *we should ship all resolutions ...17:41
apacheloggerbug 522101 is fixed?17:41
ubottuLaunchpad bug 522101 in kdebase-workspace (Ubuntu) "ksplash missing 1280x800 Ethais Background Link" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52210117:41
apacheloggerScottK: I think we patch it away17:41
ScottKHaving easy access to the Akonadi restart button turns out to be important.17:41
ScottKapachelogger: Yes. We do.  We need to not do that.17:41
apacheloggerakonaditray > kcm?17:42
yofelapachelogger: I meant in neon17:42
apacheloggeryofel: ah, kk17:42
apacheloggeryofel: kdm still will use a scaled version though17:42
apacheloggerScottK: well, fine by me, but I really think the tray app is more of a UXable workaround17:43
apacheloggerit is systemsettings not systemmanagement, so I for one would not look there for an option to restart anything17:43
ScottKDarkwingDuck: Would adding a new systray icon affect your screen shots?17:43
ScottKGood point.17:43
apacheloggerthe tray icon is not visible by default I think17:44
shadeslayerno it isn't17:44
shadeslayeryou need to start it manually17:44
shadeslayerwhich is weird imho17:44
apacheloggeronly if akonadi exploded (which it of course cannot detect reliably) or when it is off I think17:44
apacheloggershadeslayer: yeah, like akonadi is not fat enough17:45
apacheloggerwe also need a tray app17:45
apacheloggerThe process akonaditray (with pid 26522) is using approximately 5.2 MB of memory.17:45
apacheloggerIt is using 4.8 MB privately, and a further 11.6 MB that is, or could be, shared with other programs.17:45
shadeslayerapachelogger: i'd rather have it sitting passively in the systray when akonadi has been started17:45
shadeslayerclearly it should ported to KSNI17:45
apacheloggerI'd rather have akonadi not die a horrible death to begin with17:45
apacheloggershadeslayer: it aint ksni?17:46
apachelogger2844 KB[heap]17:46
shadeslayerapachelogger: last time i checked, it was sitting in my systray actively17:46
shadeslayerwas not hidden etc17:46
apacheloggerhow do you make a tray app have 3 mib of heap17:46
ScottKThe thing I most often need it for is after resume kmail and akonadi can't talk anymore.17:46
* shadeslayer checks again17:46
ScottKapachelogger: In which package do we patch it away?17:47
shadeslayerneat, they ported it to KSNI ( from what i can tell in master )17:47
apacheloggernot-installed: ./usr/share/applications/kde4/akonaditray.desktop17:48
apacheloggerdebfx made that17:48
apacheloggerof course the changelog does not say why17:48
apacheloggerwhat we need is a changelog writing training17:48
ScottKapachelogger: If you can upload that change then I can approve it (and workspace)17:49
apacheloggerScottK: so.... I'd make the workaround: start akonaditray -> stop server -> start server... with additional recommendation to add akonaditray to autostart17:49
ScottKAdding akonaditray to autostart we ought to just do.17:50
apacheloggerit is fat17:50
yofelthen disable it in low-fat if possible17:50
apacheloggerand given that we cannot postponed autostart items to >60 minutes after login that will directly influence overall time to desktop17:50
apacheloggeryofel: having low-fat settings does not justify making the regular setup insanely slow17:51
shadeslayerapachelogger: autostart it after 15 minutes or sth?17:51
apacheloggershadeslayer: yeah, how do you do that?17:51
* shadeslayer checks17:51
shadeslayerapachelogger: sleep 15; akonaditray 17:51
apacheloggerat any rate... a thing that is using approx 5 MiB of private memory to do *nothing* really should not be active by default IMHO17:51
apacheloggershadeslayer: I hope you are nto serious17:52
ScottKapachelogger: Pretty much anyone that uses Kontact/Kmail (which is our default) is screwed without this.17:52
apacheloggerlike really17:52
shadeslayerapachelogger: ofcourse not :P17:52
ScottKAgreed, but pim is screwed otherwise.17:52
ScottKapachelogger: There's also some additional bug fixes in pim-runtime trunk, so if you could update it to a new snapshot at the same time, that'd be cool.17:52
apacheloggerit is screwed eitherway from what I have heared17:52
apacheloggeroh, so much to do17:53
apacheloggershadeslayer: plz make a snapshot17:53
ScottKYes, so let's do what we can to provide some lubrication ...17:53
* apachelogger checks why that thing is so fat17:53
debfxI'd say we install the desktop file again and add a hint to the release notes17:54
apacheloggerwouldn't it be better to simply restart akonadiserver after whatever causes it to break?17:55
debfxthat says "don't use kde pim for now. if you do anyway akonaditray might help if it fails."17:55
apacheloggerScottK: what is the actual cause?17:55
apacheloggersystem suspend or network loss or what?17:55
ScottKIt's running, it just can't talk to kmail.17:56
apacheloggercompletely random?17:57
ScottKUsually after a resume.17:58
apacheloggerAgentManager \o/17:58
ScottKThen you have to be careful of KDE Bug 28314217:58
ubottuKDE bug 283142 in general "Akonadi control module crash just after restarting" [Crash,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28314217:58
ScottKWhich REALLY makes sure it's restarted.17:59
apacheloggerawesome sofwtare17:59
ScottKYeah, so that's another reason the systray thing is better.17:59
apacheloggershadeslayer: the tray app is so fat becauses it uses akonadi17:59
apacheloggerapparently there is no such thing as lighweight akonadiware18:00
shadeslayerit's PIM, what do you expect18:00
ScottKThey are pushing a fair number of fixes into the 4.7 branch.18:01
apacheloggerless than 5 MiB quite honestly18:01
ScottKIt's down do r18:01
apacheloggerI mean, look at the dock.cpp ctor18:01
ScottKIt's down to "really annoying" from "dear God, I can't use this" this week.18:01
apacheloggerit does *nothing* heavy at all18:01
apacheloggerexcept for one thing18:01
apacheloggerget an akonadi agentmanager18:01
apacheloggerso naturally the assumption is that the enormous heap comes from akonadi18:02
ScottKPlease just get something uploaded and then help them make it less fat for 4.8.18:02
apacheloggerwaiting for shadeslayer18:03
ScottKIt does look like something lowfat would want to remove.18:03
shadeslayeryeah, cloning tree18:03
apacheloggershadeslayer: just put a second line in the install file to put the desktop file into /usr/share/autostart/18:03
apacheloggerthat will take care of that18:03
debfxoh please don't add more stuff into autostart ...18:04
ScottKshadeslayer: pimlibs needs an updated snapshot too to fix the same bug that's fixed in -runtime.18:04
ScottKapachelogger: Can haz pimlibs snapshot too plz?18:04
apacheloggershadeslayer: ^18:05
ScottKNothing interesting for akonadi/pim since my last snapshot18:05
shadeslayergive me 30 minutes, i'll have both of them18:05
debfxdon't punish people that use sane pim software18:05
shadeslayerhaha :D18:05
ScottKdebfx: What would that be?18:05
debfxthunderbird for example18:06
ScottKNot so as I've noticed.18:06
ScottKDoes it support maildir yet?18:06
apacheloggershadeslayer: kconfig stuff makes the better part of the heap18:07
ScottKI switched from Thunderbird to Kmail in 2004 in large part because I had way to much mail to make mbox storage practical.18:07
apacheloggerwe could make autostart conditional to presence of either akonadiserverrc or kontactrc18:11
apacheloggeror both18:11
ScottKor kmailrc18:12
stanley_robertsohi all18:19
shadeslayerScottK: what do you use to create the tarball of the git snapshot? ( i use a very screwed up method that involves repacking the tarball manually )18:19
ScottKshadeslayer: So do I.18:19
ScottKexport GZIP='-9'18:19
ScottKrm -rf [package]/.git18:20
debfxgit archive?18:20
ScottKAnd on from there.18:20
ScottKI'm sure debfx has a much sleeker way to do it.18:20
ScottKHe's much more git'ified than I am.18:20
shadeslayerhere's what I think is the best method : git archive origin/KDE/4.7 --prefix=foo-4.7.1+git111001 | bzip2 >foo_4.7.1+git111001.orig.tar.bz218:21
yofelas debfx says, git archive sends a tar to stdout, just run 'git archive | xz -9 > file'18:22
debfxScottK: I don't think thunderbird supports anything except mbox18:22
shadeslayeryofel: you don't get a prefix with that18:22
shadeslayerwhich is why i have to repack it myanuall18:22
yofelshadeslayer: well, just rename the file...18:22
ScottKdebfx: That's a show stopper for me.18:22
yofelshadeslayer: ah, the folder prefix18:23
debfxyou must have an insane amount of mails ;)18:23
shadeslayeryofel: i think --prefix does the trick18:23
* yofel gets a few hundred mails a day and uses thunderbird...18:23
yofelscales much saner than kmail18:23
yofelwell ok, kmail would probably be better if I would use it every day18:24
shadeslayeryup, works18:24
yofelshadeslayer: we need a junk command collection wiki page18:24
shadeslayerheh, true18:24
shadeslayerapachelogger: so do i just move ./usr/share/applications/kde4/akonaditray.desktop to autostart? or should i leave that out for now?18:26
apacheloggernot move18:26
apacheloggerjust two lines in the install file18:26
apacheloggerusr/share/applications/kde4/akonaditray.desktop usr/share/autostart/18:27
apacheloggeror something18:27
* apachelogger cannot remember the format 18:27
apacheloggermanpage will no18:27
shadeslayerright, thats what i was trying to convey18:28
* apachelogger points out that dh_install copies :)18:28
apacheloggerafiestas: you are coming to UDS, no?18:37
afiestasapachelogger: yes I'm18:37
apacheloggerafiestas: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Specs/UDS-P add yourself to the wiki then :P18:38
apacheloggerand stuff you wanna talk about18:38
afiestasI sent an email to kubuntu'devel about that18:38
afiestasdidn't arrive ?18:38
apacheloggermore likely I didn't read it ^^18:38
apacheloggerafiestas: anywho, please add stuff there18:38
apacheloggerthe ideas are just a list of possible topics18:39
afiestasoki, I'm in the middle of the solid sprint, can you remember me it tusday?18:40
apacheloggerif you remind me to remind you :)18:40
shadeslayertoo bad i'll have to miss the Blogging workshop :(18:41
afiestasapachelogger: deal xD18:41
apacheloggerperfect ^^18:42
apacheloggershadeslayer: easy ... find picture of nakkid person... take google's top search word and make it into a title... throw up no more than 250 words ... publish18:43
shadeslayerheh :)18:44
CIA-130[lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kdepimlibs] Rohan Garg * 145 * debian/changelog Upstream git snapshot from KDE 4.7 branch as of aef1084c19:18
apacheloggerScottK: workspace going up19:21
CIA-130[kde-workspace] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20111001192139-ylnnhcx6lkdnh7n0 * debian/ (patches/kubuntu_63_ksplash_fix.diff changelog patches/series) Drop kubuntu_63_ksplash_fix.diff which is unmaintained and causes crashes when freeing the XImage (LP: #665510)19:21
shadeslayerweird,i get : -rwxr-xr-x root/root      3627 2011-10-01 18:43 ./usr/share/autostart/akonaditray.desktop/akonaditray.desktop with usr/share/applications/kde4/akonaditray.desktop usr/share/autostart/akonaditray.desktop ... 19:22
apacheloggerhm, maybe that was wrong19:23
apacheloggeroh well19:23
apacheloggershadeslayer: you could always dh_link or cp manually in the rules19:23
shadeslayerapachelogger: i tried  : usr/share/applications/kde4/akonaditray.desktop usr/share/autostart/ as well , and i get usr/share/autostart/kde4/akonaditray.desktop19:24
apacheloggerI thought that was possible at some point19:24
shadeslayerkdepimlibs snapshot will land in https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental19:24
shadeslayerbtw, what should i do with bug 846380 ? close as Won't fix ?19:25
ubottuLaunchpad bug 846380 in kmymoney (Ubuntu) "New version 4.6.0 is available!" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/84638019:26
apacheloggershadeslayer: do we have it yet?19:26
shadeslayernope, see my comment on the bug19:27
apacheloggershadeslayer: so it will land in pink pony?19:27
apacheloggerright, so why would you close it wont fix?19:27
apacheloggerit will be fixed... but only once pink pony is open19:28
shadeslayerbecause it's won't fix for this cycle?19:28
apacheloggerthe bug is not nominated for this cycle19:28
apacheloggerit is a bug that is valid19:28
shadeslayerapachelogger: see the bug description :P19:28
apachelogger*the bug is valid*19:28
shadeslayer"I was just wondering if this will be packaged for Oneric?"19:28
apacheloggerthe answer to his question is no19:28
apacheloggerand the bug is valid19:28
shadeslayerok, so, leave a comment that it won't be packaged, and will be uploaded to Ubuntu P ?19:29
apacheloggerit aint getting anything else than valid until either upstream development stopped and the entire pile of code becomes unmaintained or we land >=4.6 in the archive19:29
apacheloggershadeslayer: yeah19:29
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shadeslayerlrwxrwxrwx root/root         0 2011-10-02 01:08 ./usr/share/autostart/akonaditray.desktop -> ../applications/kde4/akonaditray.desktop19:42
shadeslayerapachelogger: ^ used dh_link19:42
apacheloggerhold on19:43
apacheloggerisn't that the wrong direction?19:43
apacheloggeror am I reading this wrong19:43
apacheloggeroh I may indeed19:43
apacheloggernevermind me19:43
* apachelogger should go to bed again19:43
shadeslayeryeah same here :P19:43
CIA-130[lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kdepim-runtime] Rohan Garg * 82 * debian/ (4 files) * Update to KDE 4.7 branch head, commit 6eb134bd - Auto start akonaditray by symlinking the desktop file to /usr/share/autostart/19:45
shadeslayerkdepim-runtime landing in https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental soonish19:49
alleeUh, 600 GB of .xsession-errors in natty, full of Soprano errors.  Any known problems with yesterdays kde-runtime 4.7.1?19:54
kubotuallee meant: "Uh, 60 GB of .xsession-errors in natty, full of Soprano errors.  Any known problems with yesterdays kde-runtime 4.7.1?"19:56
alleeLooks like strigi problem.  Had to stop indexing :(19:59
shadeslayerallee: my brain imploded when you said 600 GB's20:01
shadeslayer44 MB's here20:02
shadeslayerI'm off to sleep, night20:02
apacheloggeryou know20:02
alleeshadeslayer: you see, big disk make problem only bigger.  Not worth to buy one ;)20:02
apacheloggerI always thought we should turn off debug stuff in releases20:02
apacheloggersurely would make binaries slimmer and stuff20:02
* ScottK is back.20:03
alleeapachelogger: it isn't turned off?20:03
apacheloggerI mean completely20:04
apacheloggerfor kdebug it is turned off20:04
apacheloggerbut still in the binary etc.20:04
apacheloggerfor qdebug you can only turn it off at build time20:04
apacheloggerwhich is in part why strigi and soprano like to spam a lot20:04
ScottKapachelogger: I'll look at workspace.  I don't see pimlibs/runtime in the queue yet though ..20:04
apacheloggerI do not think it is ready yet20:05
yofelallee: bug 86324220:05
ubottuLaunchpad bug 863242 in Kubuntu PPA "please backport strigi 0.7.6" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/86324220:05
alleeyofel: ah20:06
alleethx for looking into it.20:07
ScottKapachelogger: shadeslayer went to sleep, so I think you got all you're going to get out of him.20:10
apacheloggerah, he upped to ppa20:11
apacheloggerScottK: I'll wait for it to finish building20:11
ScottK-workspace accepted.20:11
apacheloggerScottK: do we have bug numbers for the pim stuff?20:17
ScottKMostly not.20:17
ScottKThe restart one we do though20:17
ScottKLet me find it.20:17
ScottKBug #862483 20:20
ubottuLaunchpad bug 862483 in akonadi (Ubuntu) "Unable to read mail after resume due to akonadi hang" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/86248320:20
* apachelogger wonders why the shadeslayer made it bz220:20
* ScottK would guess because that's what upstream uses.20:23
* ScottK thought using tar.gz was both easier and made it more obvious it was our snapshot and not upstream's release.20:24
* yofel would've used xz20:24
* apachelogger would have used prn20:25
ScottKNo suprise there.20:26
JontheEchidnaany chance of getting this in to kde4libs? http://commits.kde.org/kdelibs/fc923ff98a3d0aaf0fb57ca480ba022e2978c2ac20:28
JontheEchidnafixes an easily-triggered Muon crash20:28
JontheEchidnaI didn't expect final freeze so soon20:28
BarkingFishNobody expects the spanish inquisition.... oh sorry, wrong sketch.20:29
ScottKJontheEchidna: Is that in the 4.7 branch?20:30
* apachelogger giggles away20:30
apacheloggerBarkingFish is my favorite contributor today20:30
ScottKSure.  Upload away.20:30
* apachelogger hands over award20:30
BarkingFishI've had one of those days where without a sense of humor, i'd probably have walked in front of a bus or something :)20:31
BarkingFishYou gotta have a laugh, or life is [censored for the good of mankind]20:31
apacheloggerStart in 14 hours20:35
apacheloggerscrew that20:35
apacheloggerScottK: the pimmy libs rae up20:39
ScottKapachelogger: -runtime too?20:39
apacheloggerjob time uploaded now20:41
apacheloggeror was it jog time20:43
apacheloggerlanguage fail20:43
ScottKBoth accepted.  Thanks for taking care of it.21:17
ScottKclaydoh: For the work arounds that require manually restarting akonadi, we're going to have a systray app that you can do it from.  That should make the explaining a bit easier.21:18
=== skreech_ is now known as Daskreech
ScottKapachelogger: Reading this discussion about power management on kde-devel, I'm thinking maybe lowfat should be an activity.22:13
=== thor__ is now known as BarkingFish
afiestasapachelogger: ScottK *more kubuntu developers that may be awake right now23:00
afiestasI have talk to illia kats into check the difference between nm09 HEAD and kubuntu snapshot23:00
afiestasso we can get a list of potential backport23:01
afiestasthere is at least one security related: 5f383f9c91e3c9b69f80a2fb2832e97f0540ff5e23:01
afiestasmore commits: ad93e757a74a159e59bbb5d54c39b63b3224a7cc (I will send them to the mailist too)23:07
afiestasit says "implemented support" but it is actually "Make it work fix" 23:07

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