[00:01] <yofel> not from me :D
[00:09]  * ryanakca should probably send an email to the ML and give everybody until Monday to object.
[00:11] <DarkwingDuck> ryanakca: Is that the one you showed me the other day?
[00:11] <ryanakca> DarkwingDuck: Yes, test it out on wiki.kubuntu.org, go to Preferences, and select kubuntu-light from the drop down
[00:12] <ryanakca> See https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Home?action=userprefs&sub=prefs
[00:20] <DarkwingDuck> ryanakca: go ahead and make it default.
[00:21] <ScottK> OK.  Done.  Now to go beg someone else on the release team to accept it.
[00:22] <DarkwingDuck> I'll have one last package to upload as soon as I'm done with it.
[00:22] <ScottK> yofel: kile accepted.
[00:23] <ScottK> ryanakca: What would you think of switching the default on release day?
[00:23]  * yofel hugs ScottK
[00:23] <DarkwingDuck> Ohhh I like that.
[00:24]  * DarkwingDuck goes back to implimenting translations
[00:33] <CIA-130> [qapt] Jonathan Thomas <echidnaman@kubuntu.org> * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20111001003327-nbb9s2kvfjbzf4c0 * debian/ (changelog libqapt1.install libqapt1.symbols) (log message trimmed)
[00:33] <CIA-130> * Add changes not present in the previous upload due to me not re-source-
[00:33] <CIA-130> building after making them... Fixes FTBFS. * New upstream bugfix release: (LP:
[00:34] <JontheEchidna> (just pushing what's in the archive to bzr)
[00:35] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I ran into a guy in Debian today who's interested in Muon.  You might get mail if you didn't already.
[00:35] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: yup, we're having a nice email discussion
[00:36] <ScottK> Excellent.
[00:38] <keffie_jayx> mommy mommy when I grow up I wanna be just like ScottK
[00:38]  * keffie_jayx runs
[00:38] <keffie_jayx> you rock dude
[00:40] <ScottK> Thanks.
[00:40] <ScottK> But trust me, you don't ...
[00:42]  * claydoh catches up
[00:44] <claydoh> keffie_jayx: I am not sure the exact fix for your earlier kmail issue yet, there are probably  extra resources (accounts) in there, can't remember if yiu just have to re-edit them or delete and begin from scratch
[00:44] <claydoh> ScottK: I am blind, but i can
[00:44] <keffie_jayx> claydoh: I actually did not have an account with email there
[00:44] <claydoh> t seem to find kde 4.6.4 for natty in a ppa
[00:44] <keffie_jayx> I tried setting up an email account but left some uncofigured stuff like smtp
[00:45] <ScottK> 4.6.5 is in natty-proposed for testing.
[00:45] <claydoh> could be a calendar or contacts resource
[00:45] <ScottK> Gone from the PPA.
[00:45] <keffie_jayx> claydoh: I am starting from scratch
[00:45] <claydoh> ScottK: ahh just had,'t looked there, did  look in backports
[00:46] <ScottK> Be careful, there's other stuff in -proposed too.
[00:46] <claydoh> keffie_jayx: I am thinking this should be the recommendation
[00:46] <keffie_jayx> claydoh: I ma trying that
[00:46] <claydoh> ScottK: no prob, this is a VM anyway, all my boxen are either oneiric or kde 4,7
[00:46] <ScottK> OK.
[00:47] <keffie_jayx> claydoh: I am lucky not to have any actual email info there, I am just testing upgrade paths
[00:47] <claydoh> keffie_jayx: there are some ui bugs, but nothing that breaks anything 
[00:47] <claydoh> too much
[00:47] <ScottK> claydoh: If kde 4.6.5 works for you, please comment in Bug #859562 
[00:47] <claydoh> ScottK: kk
[00:47] <ScottK> Thanks.
[00:48] <claydoh> as a side note, apachelogger, kubuntu-low-fat-settings works in natty well enough, it allows me to run this vm on my laptop
[01:14] <keffie_jayx> claydoh: I have updated and my issue was not resolved
[01:14] <keffie_jayx> it seems to be akonadi not knowing the kmail folders
[01:14] <claydoh> have you remove/recreated the resources?
[01:15] <keffie_jayx> nope will do so now
[01:15] <claydoh> I didn't document what I did, so I am recreating my account setups
[01:16] <claydoh> I remember at some point I either deleted my kmail2rc file, or all the akonadir configs
[01:16] <claydoh> in an upgrade the original kmailrc is kept when creating the kmail2rc
[01:17] <keffie_jayx> claydoh: tried running Akonadi Resources Configuratuion and all is blank
[01:17] <keffie_jayx> try adding modules but all is blank
[01:18] <DarkwingDuck> please let this work...
[01:18] <ryanakca> ScottK: We can ask the sysadmins if they'd consider it, but they're typically swamped with everything else on release day. I'll send an email and see what they say.
[01:20] <claydoh> yeah, in ~/.config/akonadi/ there are individual akonadi-resource configs, maybe try stopping akonadi , moving them and see if that allows you add some after restarting it?
[01:21] <claydoh> the configs are similar to this: agent_config_akonadi_ical_resource_2
[01:22] <claydoh> I wonder if th kmail2rc's resource list doesn't match up to the configs in ~/.config/akonadi :(
[01:24] <ScottK> OK.  Just a thought.
[01:27] <ScottK> New pim* snapshots accepted.
[01:28] <keffie_jayx> claydoh: deleting akonadi config fixes the issue
[01:29] <claydoh> then you loose all your settings :(
[01:29] <claydoh> I will  be doing an upgrade soon to see what I get this time around :/
[01:29] <keffie_jayx> didn't have much
[01:29] <ScottK> It may be the least bad alternative.
[01:30] <keffie_jayx> I made a copy of the config though
[01:30] <keffie_jayx> if you need me to test
[01:30] <claydoh> I will : 1 pop, 2 imaps, a small contact list, my google contacts, and a calendar
[01:33] <claydoh> I left out 2 imap accounts that are mostly spam traps nowdays, and as the spam filters don't move the spam, it it useless
[01:57] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse: I'll get the translations this time around... I'll have a good todo for next time. It's trial and error as I fix/build the scripts
[01:57] <jjesse> yay good luck
[01:57] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse: :D
[01:57] <DarkwingDuck> It's very... all over the place.
[01:58] <jjesse> usually
[16:00] <ScottK> claydoh: Another one for your list: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=283142
[16:45] <apachelogger> good morning
[17:28] <apachelogger> ScottK: is it to late to drop kubuntu_63_ksplash_fix.diff from workspace?
[17:28] <apachelogger> this patch makes me go whoop whoopp whooooooooooop
[17:29] <ScottK> How so?
[17:29] <apachelogger> it is not upstream
[17:29] <apachelogger> and the reason it is not upstream is that it makes assumption about the ximage format
[17:29] <ScottK> And what impact does that have?
[17:29] <apachelogger> and since the person who made the patch decided to abandon us there is no one who keeps that patch working
[17:29]  * ScottK looks at it.
[17:29] <apachelogger> ScottK: I have suspection it causes some ksplash crashes
[17:30] <apachelogger> seen random ksplash crashes in x resource allocation at various places in launchpad
[17:30] <apachelogger> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/796816
[17:30] <apachelogger> for example
[17:31] <ScottK> OK.
[17:31] <ScottK> So it's causing crashes.
[17:31] <apachelogger> doing stuff in X is *extremly* dangerous if one does not do it right
[17:31] <apachelogger> loads of parts of X are not threadsafe and assume a certian initialization order of memory and whatnot
[17:31] <apachelogger> really terrible thing
[17:32] <apachelogger> ScottK: that it causes that crash is an educated assumption
[17:32] <apachelogger> I did not actually track the stack trace in the source
[17:32] <apachelogger> then again knowin X there is no direct relationship between our patch and the crash (codewise that is)
[17:32] <ScottK> What happens if we drop the patch (what do we lose)?
[17:33] <apachelogger> no idea
[17:33] <apachelogger> https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kde-workspace/repository/revisions/422306cb8b131d8425b69d4e249e5b540b0207f0
[17:33] <apachelogger> "Do not clip blurry icons"
[17:33] <apachelogger> I have no idea what that even means
[17:33] <apachelogger> ScottK: since it aint an issue upstream I frankly do not see why it should be a problem for us
[17:36] <ScottK> Found it.
[17:36] <ScottK> * Added patch to fix ksplash blurry icon clipping
[17:36] <ScottK> kdebase-workspace (4:4.2.0-0ubuntu7) jaunty; urgency=low
[17:37] <apachelogger> yeah, but what does it do
[17:37] <shadeslayer> i think i know what that does
[17:37] <shadeslayer> in ksplash you have those icons which are loaded one after the other
[17:37] <apachelogger> right
[17:37] <shadeslayer> i remember that the KDE icon at the end was clipped for me
[17:37] <shadeslayer> in one of the releases
[17:38] <shadeslayer> like, last couple of pixels
[17:38] <apachelogger> needs fix upstream
[17:38]  * apachelogger rather has ksplash not crash than miss a couple of pixels
[17:38] <apachelogger> on a related note ... we could simply use a plymouth aligned ksplash theme ^^
[17:38] <shadeslayer> i'd rather not have ksplash at all
[17:39] <ScottK> apachelogger: I agree (re !crash > misaligned pixels)
[17:39] <yofel> I would rather like to know why the kdm background resolution and the ksplash background res are different
[17:39] <apachelogger> found 3 dups of bug 665510
[17:39] <yofel> or rather the scaling
[17:39] <apachelogger> yofel: different scaling algorithms
[17:39] <ScottK> apachelogger: OK.  I'd say let's drop it.
[17:40] <apachelogger> FWIW ... we'd not have the problem if we were not using stupid CDs and could ship actual high quality artwork in multiple resolutions
[17:40] <yofel> apachelogger: yeah, but makes it look utterly unprofessional
[17:40] <shadeslayer> yofel: i think that works just fine in KDE master
[17:40] <yofel> shadeslayer: great...
[17:40] <apachelogger> see what I wrote :P
[17:40] <shadeslayer> i.e. when i use Neon, i've just noticed that when i log into Stable KDE
[17:41] <yofel> shadeslayer: and as apachelogger said, we ship all resolutions...
[17:41] <ScottK> apachelogger: Can you make it so the Akonadi configuration KCM shows up somewhere (e.g. systemsettings)?
[17:41] <apachelogger> yofel: we do not
[17:41] <shadeslayer> yofel: *we should ship all resolutions ...
[17:41] <apachelogger> bug 522101 is fixed?
[17:41] <apachelogger> ScottK: I think we patch it away
[17:41] <ScottK> Having easy access to the Akonadi restart button turns out to be important.
[17:41] <ScottK> apachelogger: Yes. We do.  We need to not do that.
[17:42] <apachelogger> akonaditray > kcm?
[17:42] <yofel> apachelogger: I meant in neon
[17:42] <apachelogger> yofel: ah, kk
[17:42] <apachelogger> yofel: kdm still will use a scaled version though
[17:43] <apachelogger> ScottK: well, fine by me, but I really think the tray app is more of a UXable workaround
[17:43] <apachelogger> it is systemsettings not systemmanagement, so I for one would not look there for an option to restart anything
[17:43] <ScottK> DarkwingDuck: Would adding a new systray icon affect your screen shots?
[17:43] <ScottK> Good point.
[17:44] <apachelogger> the tray icon is not visible by default I think
[17:44] <shadeslayer> no it isn't
[17:44] <shadeslayer> you need to start it manually
[17:44] <shadeslayer> which is weird imho
[17:44] <apachelogger> only if akonadi exploded (which it of course cannot detect reliably) or when it is off I think
[17:45] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yeah, like akonadi is not fat enough
[17:45] <apachelogger> we also need a tray app
[17:45] <shadeslayer> heh
[17:45] <apachelogger> The process akonaditray (with pid 26522) is using approximately 5.2 MB of memory.
[17:45] <apachelogger> It is using 4.8 MB privately, and a further 11.6 MB that is, or could be, shared with other programs.
[17:45] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i'd rather have it sitting passively in the systray when akonadi has been started
[17:45] <shadeslayer> clearly it should ported to KSNI
[17:45] <apachelogger> I'd rather have akonadi not die a horrible death to begin with
[17:46] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: it aint ksni?
[17:46] <apachelogger> 2844 KB	[heap]
[17:46] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: last time i checked, it was sitting in my systray actively
[17:46] <shadeslayer> was not hidden etc
[17:46] <apachelogger> how do you make a tray app have 3 mib of heap
[17:46] <ScottK> The thing I most often need it for is after resume kmail and akonadi can't talk anymore.
[17:46]  * shadeslayer checks again
[17:47] <ScottK> apachelogger: In which package do we patch it away?
[17:47] <shadeslayer> neat, they ported it to KSNI ( from what i can tell in master )
[17:47] <apachelogger> kdepim-runtime?
[17:48] <apachelogger> not-installed: ./usr/share/applications/kde4/akonaditray.desktop
[17:48] <apachelogger> \o/
[17:48] <apachelogger> debfx made that
[17:48] <apachelogger> of course the changelog does not say why
[17:48] <apachelogger> \o/
[17:48] <apachelogger> what we need is a changelog writing training
[17:49] <ScottK> apachelogger: If you can upload that change then I can approve it (and workspace)
[17:49] <apachelogger> ScottK: so.... I'd make the workaround: start akonaditray -> stop server -> start server... with additional recommendation to add akonaditray to autostart
[17:50] <ScottK> Adding akonaditray to autostart we ought to just do.
[17:50] <apachelogger> well
[17:50] <apachelogger> it is fat
[17:50] <yofel> then disable it in low-fat if possible
[17:50] <apachelogger> and given that we cannot postponed autostart items to >60 minutes after login that will directly influence overall time to desktop
[17:51] <apachelogger> yofel: having low-fat settings does not justify making the regular setup insanely slow
[17:51] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: autostart it after 15 minutes or sth?
[17:51] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yeah, how do you do that?
[17:51]  * shadeslayer checks
[17:51] <shadeslayer> well
[17:51] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: sleep 15; akonaditray 
[17:51] <shadeslayer> :D
[17:51] <apachelogger> at any rate... a thing that is using approx 5 MiB of private memory to do *nothing* really should not be active by default IMHO
[17:52] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I hope you are nto serious
[17:52] <ScottK> apachelogger: Pretty much anyone that uses Kontact/Kmail (which is our default) is screwed without this.
[17:52] <apachelogger> like really
[17:52] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ofcourse not :P
[17:52] <ScottK> Agreed, but pim is screwed otherwise.
[17:52] <ScottK> apachelogger: There's also some additional bug fixes in pim-runtime trunk, so if you could update it to a new snapshot at the same time, that'd be cool.
[17:52] <apachelogger> it is screwed eitherway from what I have heared
[17:53] <apachelogger> oh, so much to do
[17:53] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: plz make a snapshot
[17:53] <shadeslayer> sure
[17:53] <ScottK> Yes, so let's do what we can to provide some lubrication ...
[17:53]  * apachelogger checks why that thing is so fat
[17:54] <debfx> I'd say we install the desktop file again and add a hint to the release notes
[17:55] <apachelogger> well
[17:55] <apachelogger> wouldn't it be better to simply restart akonadiserver after whatever causes it to break?
[17:55] <debfx> that says "don't use kde pim for now. if you do anyway akonaditray might help if it fails."
[17:55] <apachelogger> ScottK: what is the actual cause?
[17:55] <apachelogger> system suspend or network loss or what?
[17:56] <ScottK> It's running, it just can't talk to kmail.
[17:57] <apachelogger> completely random?
[17:58] <ScottK> Sometimes.
[17:58] <ScottK> Usually after a resume.
[17:58] <apachelogger> AgentManager \o/
[17:58] <ScottK> Then you have to be careful of KDE Bug 283142
[17:59] <ScottK> Which REALLY makes sure it's restarted.
[17:59] <apachelogger> awesome sofwtare
[17:59] <ScottK> Yeah, so that's another reason the systray thing is better.
[17:59] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: the tray app is so fat becauses it uses akonadi
[18:00] <apachelogger> apparently there is no such thing as lighweight akonadiware
[18:00] <shadeslayer> @_@
[18:00] <apachelogger> luvly
[18:00] <shadeslayer> it's PIM, what do you expect
[18:01] <ScottK> They are pushing a fair number of fixes into the 4.7 branch.
[18:01] <apachelogger> less than 5 MiB quite honestly
[18:01] <ScottK> It's down do r
[18:01] <apachelogger> I mean, look at the dock.cpp ctor
[18:01] <ScottK> It's down to "really annoying" from "dear God, I can't use this" this week.
[18:01] <apachelogger> it does *nothing* heavy at all
[18:01] <apachelogger> except for one thing
[18:01] <apachelogger> get an akonadi agentmanager
[18:02] <apachelogger> so naturally the assumption is that the enormous heap comes from akonadi
[18:02] <ScottK> Please just get something uploaded and then help them make it less fat for 4.8.
[18:03] <apachelogger> waiting for shadeslayer
[18:03] <ScottK> It does look like something lowfat would want to remove.
[18:03] <shadeslayer> yeah, cloning tree
[18:03] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: just put a second line in the install file to put the desktop file into /usr/share/autostart/
[18:03] <apachelogger> that will take care of that
[18:03] <shadeslayer> ok
[18:04] <debfx> oh please don't add more stuff into autostart ...
[18:04] <ScottK> shadeslayer: pimlibs needs an updated snapshot too to fix the same bug that's fixed in -runtime.
[18:04] <ScottK> apachelogger: Can haz pimlibs snapshot too plz?
[18:05] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ^
[18:05] <shadeslayer> sure
[18:05] <ScottK> Thanks.
[18:05] <ScottK> Nothing interesting for akonadi/pim since my last snapshot
[18:05] <shadeslayer> give me 30 minutes, i'll have both of them
[18:05] <apachelogger> http://i.imgur.com/Nizd0.png
[18:05] <debfx> don't punish people that use sane pim software
[18:05] <shadeslayer> haha :D
[18:05] <ScottK> debfx: What would that be?
[18:06] <debfx> thunderbird for example
[18:06] <ScottK> Not so as I've noticed.
[18:06] <ScottK> Does it support maildir yet?
[18:07] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: kconfig stuff makes the better part of the heap
[18:07] <ScottK> I switched from Thunderbird to Kmail in 2004 in large part because I had way to much mail to make mbox storage practical.
[18:11] <apachelogger> we could make autostart conditional to presence of either akonadiserverrc or kontactrc
[18:11] <apachelogger> or both
[18:12] <ScottK> or kmailrc
[18:19] <stanley_robertso> hi all
[18:19] <shadeslayer> ScottK: what do you use to create the tarball of the git snapshot? ( i use a very screwed up method that involves repacking the tarball manually )
[18:19] <ScottK> shadeslayer: So do I.
[18:19] <shadeslayer> fooey
[18:19] <ScottK> export GZIP='-9'
[18:20] <ScottK> rm -rf [package]/.git
[18:20] <debfx> git archive?
[18:20] <shadeslayer> ^^
[18:20] <ScottK> And on from there.
[18:20] <ScottK> I'm sure debfx has a much sleeker way to do it.
[18:20] <ScottK> He's much more git'ified than I am.
[18:20] <ScottK> BBIAB.
[18:21] <shadeslayer> here's what I think is the best method : git archive origin/KDE/4.7 --prefix=foo-4.7.1+git111001 | bzip2 >foo_4.7.1+git111001.orig.tar.bz2
[18:22] <yofel> as debfx says, git archive sends a tar to stdout, just run 'git archive | xz -9 > file'
[18:22] <debfx> ScottK: I don't think thunderbird supports anything except mbox
[18:22] <shadeslayer> yofel: you don't get a prefix with that
[18:22] <shadeslayer> which is why i have to repack it myanuall
[18:22] <shadeslayer> *manually
[18:22] <yofel> shadeslayer: well, just rename the file...
[18:22] <ScottK> debfx: That's a show stopper for me.
[18:22] <ScottK> Thanks.
[18:23] <yofel> shadeslayer: ah, the folder prefix
[18:23] <yofel> true
[18:23] <debfx> you must have an insane amount of mails ;)
[18:23] <shadeslayer> yup
[18:23] <shadeslayer> yofel: i think --prefix does the trick
[18:23]  * yofel gets a few hundred mails a day and uses thunderbird...
[18:23] <yofel> scales much saner than kmail
[18:24] <yofel> well ok, kmail would probably be better if I would use it every day
[18:24] <shadeslayer> yup, works
[18:24] <yofel> shadeslayer: we need a junk command collection wiki page
[18:24] <shadeslayer> heh, true
[18:26] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: so do i just move ./usr/share/applications/kde4/akonaditray.desktop to autostart? or should i leave that out for now?
[18:26] <apachelogger> not move
[18:26] <shadeslayer> ok
[18:26] <apachelogger> just two lines in the install file
[18:27] <apachelogger> usr/share/applications/kde4/akonaditray.desktop
[18:27] <apachelogger> usr/share/applications/kde4/akonaditray.desktop usr/share/autostart/
[18:27] <apachelogger> or something
[18:27]  * apachelogger cannot remember the format 
[18:27] <apachelogger> manpage will no
[18:28] <shadeslayer> right, thats what i was trying to convey
[18:28]  * apachelogger points out that dh_install copies :)
[18:37] <apachelogger> afiestas: you are coming to UDS, no?
[18:37] <afiestas> apachelogger: yes I'm
[18:38] <apachelogger> afiestas: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Specs/UDS-P add yourself to the wiki then :P
[18:38] <apachelogger> and stuff you wanna talk about
[18:38] <afiestas> I sent an email to kubuntu'devel about that
[18:38] <afiestas> didn't arrive ?
[18:38] <apachelogger> more likely I didn't read it ^^
[18:38] <apachelogger> afiestas: anywho, please add stuff there
[18:39] <apachelogger> the ideas are just a list of possible topics
[18:40] <afiestas> oki, I'm in the middle of the solid sprint, can you remember me it tusday?
[18:40] <apachelogger> if you remind me to remind you :)
[18:41] <shadeslayer> oh
[18:41] <shadeslayer> too bad i'll have to miss the Blogging workshop :(
[18:41] <afiestas> apachelogger: deal xD
[18:42] <apachelogger> perfect ^^
[18:43] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: easy ... find picture of nakkid person... take google's top search word and make it into a title... throw up no more than 250 words ... publish
[18:44] <shadeslayer> heh :)
[19:18] <CIA-130> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kdepimlibs] Rohan Garg * 145 * debian/changelog Upstream git snapshot from KDE 4.7 branch as of aef1084c
[19:21] <apachelogger> ScottK: workspace going up
[19:21] <CIA-130> [kde-workspace] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20111001192139-ylnnhcx6lkdnh7n0 * debian/ (patches/kubuntu_63_ksplash_fix.diff changelog patches/series) Drop kubuntu_63_ksplash_fix.diff which is unmaintained and causes crashes when freeing the XImage (LP: #665510)
[19:22] <shadeslayer> weird,i get : -rwxr-xr-x root/root      3627 2011-10-01 18:43 ./usr/share/autostart/akonaditray.desktop/akonaditray.desktop with usr/share/applications/kde4/akonaditray.desktop usr/share/autostart/akonaditray.desktop ... 
[19:23] <apachelogger> hm, maybe that was wrong
[19:23] <apachelogger> oh well
[19:23] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you could always dh_link or cp manually in the rules
[19:24] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i tried  : usr/share/applications/kde4/akonaditray.desktop usr/share/autostart/ as well , and i get usr/share/autostart/kde4/akonaditray.desktop
[19:24] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[19:24] <apachelogger> I thought that was possible at some point
[19:24] <shadeslayer> kdepimlibs snapshot will land in https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental
[19:25] <shadeslayer> btw, what should i do with bug 846380 ? close as Won't fix ?
[19:26] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: do we have it yet?
[19:27] <shadeslayer> nope, see my comment on the bug
[19:27] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: so it will land in pink pony?
[19:27] <shadeslayer> yep
[19:27] <apachelogger> right, so why would you close it wont fix?
[19:28] <apachelogger> it will be fixed... but only once pink pony is open
[19:28] <shadeslayer> because it's won't fix for this cycle?
[19:28] <apachelogger> the bug is not nominated for this cycle
[19:28] <apachelogger> it is a bug that is valid
[19:28] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: see the bug description :P
[19:28] <apachelogger> *the bug is valid*
[19:28] <shadeslayer> "I was just wondering if this will be packaged for Oneric?"
[19:28] <apachelogger> the answer to his question is no
[19:28] <apachelogger> and the bug is valid
[19:29] <shadeslayer> ok, so, leave a comment that it won't be packaged, and will be uploaded to Ubuntu P ?
[19:29] <apachelogger> it aint getting anything else than valid until either upstream development stopped and the entire pile of code becomes unmaintained or we land >=4.6 in the archive
[19:29] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yeah
[19:42] <shadeslayer> lrwxrwxrwx root/root         0 2011-10-02 01:08 ./usr/share/autostart/akonaditray.desktop -> ../applications/kde4/akonaditray.desktop
[19:42] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ^ used dh_link
[19:43] <apachelogger> hold on
[19:43] <shadeslayer> ok
[19:43] <apachelogger> isn't that the wrong direction?
[19:43] <apachelogger> or am I reading this wrong
[19:43] <apachelogger> oh I may indeed
[19:43] <shadeslayer> uh
[19:43] <apachelogger> nevermind me
[19:43]  * apachelogger should go to bed again
[19:43] <shadeslayer> yeah same here :P
[19:45] <CIA-130> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kdepim-runtime] Rohan Garg * 82 * debian/ (4 files) * Update to KDE 4.7 branch head, commit 6eb134bd - Auto start akonaditray by symlinking the desktop file to /usr/share/autostart/
[19:49] <shadeslayer> kdepim-runtime landing in https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental soonish
[19:54] <allee> Uh, 600 GB of .xsession-errors in natty, full of Soprano errors.  Any known problems with yesterdays kde-runtime 4.7.1?
[19:56] <allee> s/600/60/
[19:56] <kubotu> allee meant: "Uh, 60 GB of .xsession-errors in natty, full of Soprano errors.  Any known problems with yesterdays kde-runtime 4.7.1?"
[19:59] <allee> Looks like strigi problem.  Had to stop indexing :(
[20:01] <shadeslayer> allee: my brain imploded when you said 600 GB's
[20:02] <shadeslayer> 44 MB's here
[20:02] <shadeslayer> I'm off to sleep, night
[20:02] <apachelogger> you know
[20:02] <allee> shadeslayer: you see, big disk make problem only bigger.  Not worth to buy one ;)
[20:02] <apachelogger> I always thought we should turn off debug stuff in releases
[20:02] <apachelogger> surely would make binaries slimmer and stuff
[20:03]  * ScottK is back.
[20:03] <allee> apachelogger: it isn't turned off?
[20:04] <apachelogger> I mean completely
[20:04] <apachelogger> for kdebug it is turned off
[20:04] <apachelogger> but still in the binary etc.
[20:04] <apachelogger> for qdebug you can only turn it off at build time
[20:04] <apachelogger> which is in part why strigi and soprano like to spam a lot
[20:04] <ScottK> apachelogger: I'll look at workspace.  I don't see pimlibs/runtime in the queue yet though ..
[20:05] <apachelogger> I do not think it is ready yet
[20:05] <yofel> allee: bug 863242
[20:06] <allee> yofel: ah
[20:07] <allee> thx for looking into it.
[20:10] <ScottK> apachelogger: shadeslayer went to sleep, so I think you got all you're going to get out of him.
[20:11] <apachelogger> ah, he upped to ppa
[20:11] <apachelogger> ScottK: I'll wait for it to finish building
[20:11] <ScottK> OK.
[20:11] <ScottK> -workspace accepted.
[20:17] <apachelogger> ScottK: do we have bug numbers for the pim stuff?
[20:17] <ScottK> Mostly not.
[20:17] <ScottK> The restart one we do though
[20:17] <ScottK> Let me find it.
[20:20] <ScottK> Bug #862483 
[20:20]  * apachelogger wonders why the shadeslayer made it bz2
[20:23]  * ScottK would guess because that's what upstream uses.
[20:24]  * ScottK thought using tar.gz was both easier and made it more obvious it was our snapshot and not upstream's release.
[20:24]  * yofel would've used xz
[20:25]  * apachelogger would have used prn
[20:26] <ScottK> No suprise there.
[20:28] <JontheEchidna> any chance of getting this in to kde4libs? http://commits.kde.org/kdelibs/fc923ff98a3d0aaf0fb57ca480ba022e2978c2ac
[20:28] <JontheEchidna> fixes an easily-triggered Muon crash
[20:28] <JontheEchidna> I didn't expect final freeze so soon
[20:29] <BarkingFish> Nobody expects the spanish inquisition.... oh sorry, wrong sketch.
[20:29] <BarkingFish> nvm
[20:29] <JontheEchidna> lol
[20:30] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Is that in the 4.7 branch?
[20:30]  * apachelogger giggles away
[20:30] <JontheEchidna> yep
[20:30] <apachelogger> BarkingFish is my favorite contributor today
[20:30] <ScottK> Sure.  Upload away.
[20:30]  * apachelogger hands over award
[20:30] <JontheEchidna> k
[20:30] <BarkingFish> :)
[20:31] <BarkingFish> I've had one of those days where without a sense of humor, i'd probably have walked in front of a bus or something :)
[20:31] <BarkingFish> You gotta have a laugh, or life is [censored for the good of mankind]
[20:35] <apachelogger> Start in 14 hours
[20:35] <apachelogger> screw that
[20:39] <apachelogger> ScottK: the pimmy libs rae up
[20:39] <ScottK> Thanks.
[20:39] <ScottK> apachelogger: -runtime too?
[20:41] <apachelogger> job time uploaded now
[20:43] <apachelogger> or was it jog time
[20:43] <apachelogger> language fail
[21:17] <ScottK> Both accepted.  Thanks for taking care of it.
[21:18] <ScottK> claydoh: For the work arounds that require manually restarting akonadi, we're going to have a systray app that you can do it from.  That should make the explaining a bit easier.
[22:13] <ScottK> apachelogger: Reading this discussion about power management on kde-devel, I'm thinking maybe lowfat should be an activity.
[23:00] <afiestas> apachelogger: ScottK *more kubuntu developers that may be awake right now
[23:00] <afiestas> I have talk to illia kats into check the difference between nm09 HEAD and kubuntu snapshot
[23:01] <afiestas> so we can get a list of potential backport
[23:01] <afiestas> there is at least one security related: 5f383f9c91e3c9b69f80a2fb2832e97f0540ff5e
[23:07] <afiestas> more commits: ad93e757a74a159e59bbb5d54c39b63b3224a7cc (I will send them to the mailist too)
[23:07] <afiestas> it says "implemented support" but it is actually "Make it work fix"