[00:01] not from me :D [00:09] * ryanakca should probably send an email to the ML and give everybody until Monday to object. [00:11] ryanakca: Is that the one you showed me the other day? [00:11] DarkwingDuck: Yes, test it out on wiki.kubuntu.org, go to Preferences, and select kubuntu-light from the drop down [00:12] See https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Home?action=userprefs&sub=prefs [00:20] ryanakca: go ahead and make it default. [00:21] OK. Done. Now to go beg someone else on the release team to accept it. [00:22] I'll have one last package to upload as soon as I'm done with it. [00:22] yofel: kile accepted. [00:23] ryanakca: What would you think of switching the default on release day? [00:23] * yofel hugs ScottK [00:23] Ohhh I like that. [00:24] * DarkwingDuck goes back to implimenting translations [00:33] [qapt] Jonathan Thomas * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20111001003327-nbb9s2kvfjbzf4c0 * debian/ (changelog libqapt1.install libqapt1.symbols) (log message trimmed) [00:33] * Add changes not present in the previous upload due to me not re-source- [00:33] building after making them... Fixes FTBFS. * New upstream bugfix release: (LP: [00:34] (just pushing what's in the archive to bzr) [00:35] JontheEchidna: I ran into a guy in Debian today who's interested in Muon. You might get mail if you didn't already. [00:35] ScottK: yup, we're having a nice email discussion [00:36] Excellent. [00:38] mommy mommy when I grow up I wanna be just like ScottK [00:38] * keffie_jayx runs [00:38] you rock dude [00:40] Thanks. [00:40] But trust me, you don't ... [00:42] * claydoh catches up [00:44] keffie_jayx: I am not sure the exact fix for your earlier kmail issue yet, there are probably extra resources (accounts) in there, can't remember if yiu just have to re-edit them or delete and begin from scratch [00:44] ScottK: I am blind, but i can [00:44] claydoh: I actually did not have an account with email there [00:44] t seem to find kde 4.6.4 for natty in a ppa [00:44] I tried setting up an email account but left some uncofigured stuff like smtp [00:45] 4.6.5 is in natty-proposed for testing. [00:45] could be a calendar or contacts resource [00:45] Gone from the PPA. [00:45] claydoh: I am starting from scratch [00:45] ScottK: ahh just had,'t looked there, did look in backports [00:46] Be careful, there's other stuff in -proposed too. [00:46] keffie_jayx: I am thinking this should be the recommendation [00:46] claydoh: I ma trying that [00:46] ScottK: no prob, this is a VM anyway, all my boxen are either oneiric or kde 4,7 [00:46] OK. [00:47] claydoh: I am lucky not to have any actual email info there, I am just testing upgrade paths [00:47] keffie_jayx: there are some ui bugs, but nothing that breaks anything [00:47] too much [00:47] claydoh: If kde 4.6.5 works for you, please comment in Bug #859562 [00:47] Launchpad bug 859562 in kde4libs (Ubuntu) "SRU tracking bug for KDE 4.6.5" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/859562 [00:47] ScottK: kk [00:47] Thanks. [00:48] as a side note, apachelogger, kubuntu-low-fat-settings works in natty well enough, it allows me to run this vm on my laptop [01:14] claydoh: I have updated and my issue was not resolved [01:14] it seems to be akonadi not knowing the kmail folders [01:14] have you remove/recreated the resources? [01:15] nope will do so now [01:15] I didn't document what I did, so I am recreating my account setups [01:16] I remember at some point I either deleted my kmail2rc file, or all the akonadir configs [01:16] in an upgrade the original kmailrc is kept when creating the kmail2rc [01:17] claydoh: tried running Akonadi Resources Configuratuion and all is blank [01:17] try adding modules but all is blank [01:18] please let this work... [01:18] ScottK: We can ask the sysadmins if they'd consider it, but they're typically swamped with everything else on release day. I'll send an email and see what they say. [01:20] yeah, in ~/.config/akonadi/ there are individual akonadi-resource configs, maybe try stopping akonadi , moving them and see if that allows you add some after restarting it? [01:21] the configs are similar to this: agent_config_akonadi_ical_resource_2 [01:22] I wonder if th kmail2rc's resource list doesn't match up to the configs in ~/.config/akonadi :( [01:24] OK. Just a thought. [01:27] New pim* snapshots accepted. [01:28] claydoh: deleting akonadi config fixes the issue [01:29] then you loose all your settings :( [01:29] I will be doing an upgrade soon to see what I get this time around :/ [01:29] didn't have much [01:29] It may be the least bad alternative. [01:30] I made a copy of the config though [01:30] if you need me to test [01:30] I will : 1 pop, 2 imaps, a small contact list, my google contacts, and a calendar [01:33] I left out 2 imap accounts that are mostly spam traps nowdays, and as the spam filters don't move the spam, it it useless [01:57] jjesse: I'll get the translations this time around... I'll have a good todo for next time. It's trial and error as I fix/build the scripts [01:57] yay good luck [01:57] jjesse: :D [01:57] It's very... all over the place. [01:58] usually === skreech_ is now known as Daskreech === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [16:00] claydoh: Another one for your list: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=283142 [16:00] KDE bug 283142 in general "Akonadi control module crash just after restarting" [Crash,Unconfirmed] [16:45] good morning === e-jat_ is now known as e-jat === e-jat_ is now known as e-jat [17:28] ScottK: is it to late to drop kubuntu_63_ksplash_fix.diff from workspace? [17:28] this patch makes me go whoop whoopp whooooooooooop [17:29] How so? [17:29] it is not upstream [17:29] and the reason it is not upstream is that it makes assumption about the ximage format [17:29] And what impact does that have? [17:29] and since the person who made the patch decided to abandon us there is no one who keeps that patch working [17:29] * ScottK looks at it. [17:29] ScottK: I have suspection it causes some ksplash crashes [17:30] seen random ksplash crashes in x resource allocation at various places in launchpad [17:30] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/796816 [17:30] Ubuntu bug 796816 in kdebase-workspace (Ubuntu) "ksplashx crashed with SIGABRT in raise()" [Medium,New] [17:30] for example [17:31] OK. [17:31] So it's causing crashes. [17:31] doing stuff in X is *extremly* dangerous if one does not do it right [17:31] loads of parts of X are not threadsafe and assume a certian initialization order of memory and whatnot [17:31] really terrible thing [17:32] ScottK: that it causes that crash is an educated assumption [17:32] I did not actually track the stack trace in the source [17:32] then again knowin X there is no direct relationship between our patch and the crash (codewise that is) [17:32] What happens if we drop the patch (what do we lose)? [17:33] no idea [17:33] https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kde-workspace/repository/revisions/422306cb8b131d8425b69d4e249e5b540b0207f0 [17:33] "Do not clip blurry icons" [17:33] I have no idea what that even means [17:33] ScottK: since it aint an issue upstream I frankly do not see why it should be a problem for us [17:36] Found it. [17:36] * Added patch to fix ksplash blurry icon clipping [17:36] kdebase-workspace (4:4.2.0-0ubuntu7) jaunty; urgency=low [17:37] yeah, but what does it do [17:37] i think i know what that does [17:37] in ksplash you have those icons which are loaded one after the other [17:37] right [17:37] i remember that the KDE icon at the end was clipped for me [17:37] in one of the releases [17:38] like, last couple of pixels [17:38] needs fix upstream [17:38] * apachelogger rather has ksplash not crash than miss a couple of pixels [17:38] on a related note ... we could simply use a plymouth aligned ksplash theme ^^ [17:38] i'd rather not have ksplash at all [17:39] apachelogger: I agree (re !crash > misaligned pixels) [17:39] I would rather like to know why the kdm background resolution and the ksplash background res are different [17:39] found 3 dups of bug 665510 [17:39] Launchpad bug 665510 in kdebase-workspace (Ubuntu) "ksplashx assert failure: *** glibc detected *** ksplashx: double free or corruption (out): 0x0918cdf8 ***" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/665510 [17:39] or rather the scaling [17:39] yofel: different scaling algorithms [17:39] apachelogger: OK. I'd say let's drop it. [17:40] FWIW ... we'd not have the problem if we were not using stupid CDs and could ship actual high quality artwork in multiple resolutions [17:40] apachelogger: yeah, but makes it look utterly unprofessional [17:40] yofel: i think that works just fine in KDE master [17:40] shadeslayer: great... [17:40] see what I wrote :P [17:40] i.e. when i use Neon, i've just noticed that when i log into Stable KDE [17:41] shadeslayer: and as apachelogger said, we ship all resolutions... [17:41] apachelogger: Can you make it so the Akonadi configuration KCM shows up somewhere (e.g. systemsettings)? [17:41] yofel: we do not [17:41] yofel: *we should ship all resolutions ... [17:41] bug 522101 is fixed? [17:41] Launchpad bug 522101 in kdebase-workspace (Ubuntu) "ksplash missing 1280x800 Ethais Background Link" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/522101 [17:41] ScottK: I think we patch it away [17:41] Having easy access to the Akonadi restart button turns out to be important. [17:41] apachelogger: Yes. We do. We need to not do that. [17:42] akonaditray > kcm? [17:42] apachelogger: I meant in neon [17:42] yofel: ah, kk [17:42] yofel: kdm still will use a scaled version though [17:43] ScottK: well, fine by me, but I really think the tray app is more of a UXable workaround [17:43] it is systemsettings not systemmanagement, so I for one would not look there for an option to restart anything [17:43] DarkwingDuck: Would adding a new systray icon affect your screen shots? [17:43] Good point. [17:44] the tray icon is not visible by default I think [17:44] no it isn't [17:44] you need to start it manually [17:44] which is weird imho [17:44] only if akonadi exploded (which it of course cannot detect reliably) or when it is off I think [17:45] shadeslayer: yeah, like akonadi is not fat enough [17:45] we also need a tray app [17:45] heh [17:45] The process akonaditray (with pid 26522) is using approximately 5.2 MB of memory. [17:45] It is using 4.8 MB privately, and a further 11.6 MB that is, or could be, shared with other programs. [17:45] apachelogger: i'd rather have it sitting passively in the systray when akonadi has been started [17:45] clearly it should ported to KSNI [17:45] I'd rather have akonadi not die a horrible death to begin with [17:46] shadeslayer: it aint ksni? [17:46] 2844 KB [heap] [17:46] apachelogger: last time i checked, it was sitting in my systray actively [17:46] was not hidden etc [17:46] how do you make a tray app have 3 mib of heap [17:46] The thing I most often need it for is after resume kmail and akonadi can't talk anymore. [17:46] * shadeslayer checks again [17:47] apachelogger: In which package do we patch it away? [17:47] neat, they ported it to KSNI ( from what i can tell in master ) [17:47] kdepim-runtime? [17:48] not-installed: ./usr/share/applications/kde4/akonaditray.desktop [17:48] \o/ [17:48] debfx made that [17:48] of course the changelog does not say why [17:48] \o/ [17:48] what we need is a changelog writing training [17:49] apachelogger: If you can upload that change then I can approve it (and workspace) [17:49] ScottK: so.... I'd make the workaround: start akonaditray -> stop server -> start server... with additional recommendation to add akonaditray to autostart [17:50] Adding akonaditray to autostart we ought to just do. [17:50] well [17:50] it is fat [17:50] then disable it in low-fat if possible [17:50] and given that we cannot postponed autostart items to >60 minutes after login that will directly influence overall time to desktop [17:51] yofel: having low-fat settings does not justify making the regular setup insanely slow [17:51] apachelogger: autostart it after 15 minutes or sth? [17:51] shadeslayer: yeah, how do you do that? [17:51] * shadeslayer checks [17:51] well [17:51] apachelogger: sleep 15; akonaditray [17:51] :D [17:51] at any rate... a thing that is using approx 5 MiB of private memory to do *nothing* really should not be active by default IMHO [17:52] shadeslayer: I hope you are nto serious [17:52] apachelogger: Pretty much anyone that uses Kontact/Kmail (which is our default) is screwed without this. [17:52] like really [17:52] apachelogger: ofcourse not :P [17:52] Agreed, but pim is screwed otherwise. [17:52] apachelogger: There's also some additional bug fixes in pim-runtime trunk, so if you could update it to a new snapshot at the same time, that'd be cool. [17:52] it is screwed eitherway from what I have heared [17:53] oh, so much to do [17:53] shadeslayer: plz make a snapshot [17:53] sure [17:53] Yes, so let's do what we can to provide some lubrication ... [17:53] * apachelogger checks why that thing is so fat [17:54] I'd say we install the desktop file again and add a hint to the release notes [17:55] well [17:55] wouldn't it be better to simply restart akonadiserver after whatever causes it to break? [17:55] that says "don't use kde pim for now. if you do anyway akonaditray might help if it fails." [17:55] ScottK: what is the actual cause? [17:55] system suspend or network loss or what? [17:56] It's running, it just can't talk to kmail. [17:57] completely random? [17:58] Sometimes. [17:58] Usually after a resume. [17:58] AgentManager \o/ [17:58] Then you have to be careful of KDE Bug 283142 [17:58] KDE bug 283142 in general "Akonadi control module crash just after restarting" [Crash,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=283142 [17:59] Which REALLY makes sure it's restarted. [17:59] awesome sofwtare [17:59] Yeah, so that's another reason the systray thing is better. [17:59] shadeslayer: the tray app is so fat becauses it uses akonadi [18:00] apparently there is no such thing as lighweight akonadiware [18:00] @_@ [18:00] luvly [18:00] it's PIM, what do you expect [18:01] They are pushing a fair number of fixes into the 4.7 branch. [18:01] less than 5 MiB quite honestly [18:01] It's down do r [18:01] I mean, look at the dock.cpp ctor [18:01] It's down to "really annoying" from "dear God, I can't use this" this week. [18:01] it does *nothing* heavy at all [18:01] except for one thing [18:01] get an akonadi agentmanager [18:02] so naturally the assumption is that the enormous heap comes from akonadi [18:02] Please just get something uploaded and then help them make it less fat for 4.8. [18:03] waiting for shadeslayer [18:03] It does look like something lowfat would want to remove. [18:03] yeah, cloning tree [18:03] shadeslayer: just put a second line in the install file to put the desktop file into /usr/share/autostart/ [18:03] that will take care of that [18:03] ok [18:04] oh please don't add more stuff into autostart ... [18:04] shadeslayer: pimlibs needs an updated snapshot too to fix the same bug that's fixed in -runtime. [18:04] apachelogger: Can haz pimlibs snapshot too plz? [18:05] shadeslayer: ^ [18:05] sure [18:05] Thanks. [18:05] Nothing interesting for akonadi/pim since my last snapshot [18:05] give me 30 minutes, i'll have both of them [18:05] http://i.imgur.com/Nizd0.png [18:05] don't punish people that use sane pim software [18:05] haha :D [18:05] debfx: What would that be? [18:06] thunderbird for example [18:06] Not so as I've noticed. [18:06] Does it support maildir yet? [18:07] shadeslayer: kconfig stuff makes the better part of the heap [18:07] I switched from Thunderbird to Kmail in 2004 in large part because I had way to much mail to make mbox storage practical. [18:11] we could make autostart conditional to presence of either akonadiserverrc or kontactrc [18:11] or both [18:12] or kmailrc [18:19] hi all [18:19] ScottK: what do you use to create the tarball of the git snapshot? ( i use a very screwed up method that involves repacking the tarball manually ) [18:19] shadeslayer: So do I. [18:19] fooey [18:19] export GZIP='-9' [18:20] rm -rf [package]/.git [18:20] git archive? [18:20] ^^ [18:20] And on from there. [18:20] I'm sure debfx has a much sleeker way to do it. [18:20] He's much more git'ified than I am. [18:20] BBIAB. [18:21] here's what I think is the best method : git archive origin/KDE/4.7 --prefix=foo-4.7.1+git111001 | bzip2 >foo_4.7.1+git111001.orig.tar.bz2 [18:22] as debfx says, git archive sends a tar to stdout, just run 'git archive | xz -9 > file' [18:22] ScottK: I don't think thunderbird supports anything except mbox [18:22] yofel: you don't get a prefix with that [18:22] which is why i have to repack it myanuall [18:22] *manually [18:22] shadeslayer: well, just rename the file... [18:22] debfx: That's a show stopper for me. [18:22] Thanks. [18:23] shadeslayer: ah, the folder prefix [18:23] true [18:23] you must have an insane amount of mails ;) [18:23] yup [18:23] yofel: i think --prefix does the trick [18:23] * yofel gets a few hundred mails a day and uses thunderbird... [18:23] scales much saner than kmail [18:24] well ok, kmail would probably be better if I would use it every day [18:24] yup, works [18:24] shadeslayer: we need a junk command collection wiki page [18:24] heh, true [18:26] apachelogger: so do i just move ./usr/share/applications/kde4/akonaditray.desktop to autostart? or should i leave that out for now? [18:26] not move [18:26] ok [18:26] just two lines in the install file [18:27] usr/share/applications/kde4/akonaditray.desktop [18:27] usr/share/applications/kde4/akonaditray.desktop usr/share/autostart/ [18:27] or something [18:27] * apachelogger cannot remember the format [18:27] manpage will no [18:28] right, thats what i was trying to convey [18:28] * apachelogger points out that dh_install copies :) [18:37] afiestas: you are coming to UDS, no? [18:37] apachelogger: yes I'm [18:38] afiestas: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Specs/UDS-P add yourself to the wiki then :P [18:38] and stuff you wanna talk about [18:38] I sent an email to kubuntu'devel about that [18:38] didn't arrive ? [18:38] more likely I didn't read it ^^ [18:38] afiestas: anywho, please add stuff there [18:39] the ideas are just a list of possible topics [18:40] oki, I'm in the middle of the solid sprint, can you remember me it tusday? [18:40] if you remind me to remind you :) [18:41] oh [18:41] too bad i'll have to miss the Blogging workshop :( [18:41] apachelogger: deal xD [18:42] perfect ^^ [18:43] shadeslayer: easy ... find picture of nakkid person... take google's top search word and make it into a title... throw up no more than 250 words ... publish [18:44] heh :) [19:18] [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kdepimlibs] Rohan Garg * 145 * debian/changelog Upstream git snapshot from KDE 4.7 branch as of aef1084c [19:21] ScottK: workspace going up [19:21] [kde-workspace] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20111001192139-ylnnhcx6lkdnh7n0 * debian/ (patches/kubuntu_63_ksplash_fix.diff changelog patches/series) Drop kubuntu_63_ksplash_fix.diff which is unmaintained and causes crashes when freeing the XImage (LP: #665510) [19:22] weird,i get : -rwxr-xr-x root/root 3627 2011-10-01 18:43 ./usr/share/autostart/akonaditray.desktop/akonaditray.desktop with usr/share/applications/kde4/akonaditray.desktop usr/share/autostart/akonaditray.desktop ... [19:23] hm, maybe that was wrong [19:23] oh well [19:23] shadeslayer: you could always dh_link or cp manually in the rules [19:24] apachelogger: i tried : usr/share/applications/kde4/akonaditray.desktop usr/share/autostart/ as well , and i get usr/share/autostart/kde4/akonaditray.desktop [19:24] *shrug* [19:24] I thought that was possible at some point [19:24] kdepimlibs snapshot will land in https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental [19:25] btw, what should i do with bug 846380 ? close as Won't fix ? [19:26] Launchpad bug 846380 in kmymoney (Ubuntu) "New version 4.6.0 is available!" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/846380 [19:26] shadeslayer: do we have it yet? [19:27] nope, see my comment on the bug [19:27] shadeslayer: so it will land in pink pony? [19:27] yep [19:27] right, so why would you close it wont fix? [19:28] it will be fixed... but only once pink pony is open [19:28] because it's won't fix for this cycle? [19:28] the bug is not nominated for this cycle [19:28] it is a bug that is valid [19:28] apachelogger: see the bug description :P [19:28] *the bug is valid* [19:28] "I was just wondering if this will be packaged for Oneric?" [19:28] the answer to his question is no [19:28] and the bug is valid [19:29] ok, so, leave a comment that it won't be packaged, and will be uploaded to Ubuntu P ? [19:29] it aint getting anything else than valid until either upstream development stopped and the entire pile of code becomes unmaintained or we land >=4.6 in the archive [19:29] shadeslayer: yeah === apachelogger changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu: Friendly Computing | Final Freeze in effect | Archive Frozen | Kubuntu 11.10 Beta 2 Released! | TODO: http://goo.gl/BD9JL | UDS Ideas: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Specs/UDS-P [19:42] lrwxrwxrwx root/root 0 2011-10-02 01:08 ./usr/share/autostart/akonaditray.desktop -> ../applications/kde4/akonaditray.desktop [19:42] apachelogger: ^ used dh_link [19:43] hold on [19:43] ok [19:43] isn't that the wrong direction? [19:43] or am I reading this wrong [19:43] oh I may indeed [19:43] uh [19:43] nevermind me [19:43] * apachelogger should go to bed again [19:43] yeah same here :P [19:45] [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kdepim-runtime] Rohan Garg * 82 * debian/ (4 files) * Update to KDE 4.7 branch head, commit 6eb134bd - Auto start akonaditray by symlinking the desktop file to /usr/share/autostart/ [19:49] kdepim-runtime landing in https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental soonish [19:54] Uh, 600 GB of .xsession-errors in natty, full of Soprano errors. Any known problems with yesterdays kde-runtime 4.7.1? [19:56] s/600/60/ [19:56] allee meant: "Uh, 60 GB of .xsession-errors in natty, full of Soprano errors. Any known problems with yesterdays kde-runtime 4.7.1?" [19:59] Looks like strigi problem. Had to stop indexing :( [20:01] allee: my brain imploded when you said 600 GB's [20:02] 44 MB's here [20:02] I'm off to sleep, night [20:02] you know [20:02] shadeslayer: you see, big disk make problem only bigger. Not worth to buy one ;) [20:02] I always thought we should turn off debug stuff in releases [20:02] surely would make binaries slimmer and stuff [20:03] * ScottK is back. [20:03] apachelogger: it isn't turned off? [20:04] I mean completely [20:04] for kdebug it is turned off [20:04] but still in the binary etc. [20:04] for qdebug you can only turn it off at build time [20:04] which is in part why strigi and soprano like to spam a lot [20:04] apachelogger: I'll look at workspace. I don't see pimlibs/runtime in the queue yet though .. [20:05] I do not think it is ready yet [20:05] allee: bug 863242 [20:05] Launchpad bug 863242 in Kubuntu PPA "please backport strigi 0.7.6" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/863242 [20:06] yofel: ah [20:07] thx for looking into it. [20:10] apachelogger: shadeslayer went to sleep, so I think you got all you're going to get out of him. [20:11] ah, he upped to ppa [20:11] ScottK: I'll wait for it to finish building [20:11] OK. [20:11] -workspace accepted. [20:17] ScottK: do we have bug numbers for the pim stuff? [20:17] Mostly not. [20:17] The restart one we do though [20:17] Let me find it. [20:20] Bug #862483 [20:20] Launchpad bug 862483 in akonadi (Ubuntu) "Unable to read mail after resume due to akonadi hang" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/862483 [20:20] * apachelogger wonders why the shadeslayer made it bz2 [20:23] * ScottK would guess because that's what upstream uses. [20:24] * ScottK thought using tar.gz was both easier and made it more obvious it was our snapshot and not upstream's release. [20:24] * yofel would've used xz [20:25] * apachelogger would have used prn [20:26] No suprise there. [20:28] any chance of getting this in to kde4libs? http://commits.kde.org/kdelibs/fc923ff98a3d0aaf0fb57ca480ba022e2978c2ac [20:28] fixes an easily-triggered Muon crash [20:28] I didn't expect final freeze so soon [20:29] Nobody expects the spanish inquisition.... oh sorry, wrong sketch. [20:29] nvm [20:29] lol [20:30] JontheEchidna: Is that in the 4.7 branch? [20:30] * apachelogger giggles away [20:30] yep [20:30]