[00:09] <saulotoledo> penguin42: cat system_bus_socket returns "device or non-existent address"
[00:12] <bandit5432> how do changge the default location?
[00:13] <bandit5432> i can get to the screen but when i tray i to add a location it will not allow it and i get no errors
[00:13] <bandit5432> try'
[00:34] <ian_mac> are there any known issues with grub default options on oneiric?  or am I completely incompetent and unable to configure it properly?
[00:39] <prodigel> hi all. Just got a brand new acer aspire 5750, installed ubuntu on it, but I encountered problems with the wireless card. thought an upgrade will help, now I have 11.10, network card is still losing packets. lspci says it's a atheros AR2987 card using ath9k. Are there any known issues regarding it? Thanks.
[00:50] <ian_mac> hmmm it seems so
[00:53] <graft> err... so, oneiric is shipping with a 3.0.0 kernel, but is still bundling rails 2.3.5? what's up with that?
[00:54] <ktosiek> graft: I guess more people whine about kernel than rails :-)
[00:54] <graft> ktosiek: who in heck is whining to get an unstable kernel put in the build?
[00:54] <ktosiek> me!
[00:54] <ktosiek> :-P
[00:54] <graft> not enough kernel panics in your life, eh
[00:54] <ktosiek> people with new hardware :-P
[00:55] <Patrickdk> heh, I like new hardware
[00:55] <Patrickdk> but then, I always install esx on the new hardware and run the systems inside vm's
[00:55] <Patrickdk> so they always look like the *same* old boring hardware :)
[00:57] <graft> hmm... anyway, so does someone know an easy way to get rails3 up in this piece?
[00:58] <lgp171188> Hi, I am trying to download a torrent on my oneiric installation overnight. But my laptop automatically sleeps after some time after lock screen. how to disable the sleep? Thanks
[00:59] <zhiwei> lgp171188: power setting has the option to disable this.
[01:01] <jbicha> 3.0.4 is not an unstable kernel
[01:01] <lgp171188> zhiwei: It is set to 'don't suspend' when plugged in and suspend after 30 inactive minutes when on battery. My laptop is plugged in.
[01:05] <zhiwei> this may be a bug, I can't lock ubuntu 11.10
[01:05] <lgp171188> zhiwei: Which package do I report it against? Any idea?
[01:09] <robin0800> ian_mac, are you editing etc/default/grub and afterwards sudo update-grub?
[01:09] <zhiwei> lgp171188: I don't know, the packages related to this problem is : power-manager and screensaver.
[01:09] <ian_mac> robin0800, yes
[01:12] <ian_mac> and the cfg file seems to get updated when I run update-grub
[01:13] <ian_mac> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/428570
[01:13] <ian_mac> it seems to be that bug
[01:14] <ian_mac> oh but different maybe - I tried different settings for timeout and they didn't work
[01:16] <FernandoMiguel> nite.
[01:16] <FernandoMiguel> tomorrow is shaving and sushi....
[01:16] <FernandoMiguel> humm that sounds weird :P
[01:31] <saulotoledo> people, I purged dbus (and my KDE is gone). But I continue receiving the error "Waiting for network configuration..." and "up to 60 more seconds for network configuration". What is causing this?
[01:32] <jbicha> um, why did you uninstall dbus?
[01:35] <saulotoledo> jbicha: installed again, and the problem back :(   I uninstalled to try remove this message at boot: "unable to connect to system bus: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: Connection refused", and this message at terminal sometimes:
[01:36] <saulotoledo> jbicha: "Can't open system message bus connection: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: Connection refused"
[01:38] <jbicha> the error might be harmless
[01:42] <saulotoledo> jbicha: At least now I know my slow boot trying load network configuration it's not from this error xD. But I wait about 2 or 3 min to system boot because the LAN error and my system do not boot correctily
[01:51] <jbicha> how am I to know what random stuff you've uninstalled? at any rate I don't use Kubuntu much
[02:11] <bjsnider> if he uninstalled dbus i doubt there's much of a usable desktop environment left
[02:54] <Soul_Sample> hi, I need help with disabling the screensaver in 11.10... my screen goes blank after 15minutes although I've turned every imaginable setting off
[03:13] <hansg01> Soul_Sample: thats on screen saver its by default ubuntu's screen lock
[03:19] <graft> so, why can't i tab-complete into directories any more?
[03:22] <urlin2u> graft, you sure your doing it right mine works
[03:23] <graft> urlin2u: it definitely doesn't work... if i do ls dir<TAB>, it just completes as "ls dir ", doesn't show the contents
[03:24] <urlin2u> graft, I was using a file search my mistake nevr have used this with directories.
[03:32] <augusto> hello guys
[03:32] <augusto> I am using 11.10 , gnome 3 shell and adwaita gtk theme.. everytime I open a file, its apps uses a dark gtk theme. how can I solve it?
[03:35] <jbicha> augusto: first, are you sure you're using Adwaita, second, apps like totem & eog opt into the Adwaita dark variant
[03:36] <augusto> is there a way to change it?
[03:36] <Peter_Bilt> helios
[03:36] <augusto> jbicha: is there a way to change it?
[03:37] <jbicha> augusto: System Settings>Appearance the default is Ambiance
[03:37] <augusto> I don't like ambiance
[03:38] <jbicha> changing the window border requires you to restart GNOME Shell
[03:39] <augusto> why totem and eog opt into adwaita dark? oh god :(
[03:40] <graft> augusto: did you try mucking with gnome-tweak-tool?
[03:43] <augusto> no, I didn't .. yet
[03:43] <graft> nice. searching for 'system settings' gets you two IDENTICAL icons, one for KDE system settings, one for unity system settings, with no way to tell them apart. who designs this stuff?
[03:46] <saulotoledo> People, I think there are something wrong with some package postinst configuration into oficial oneiric packages. I'm was with 2 diferent bugs who were "magically" solved. I don't have the knowledge to debug this, but I would like to invite someone with more knowledge than I to read my considerations added in a report into https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/856810 , to...
[03:46] <saulotoledo> ...decide about the problem, or not...
[03:47] <saulotoledo> Thanks all who helped me today :)
[03:49] <Saamm> I fear this bug 859885 will not be fixed in Oneiric. Its a regression in unity launcher. Please can anyone look into it?
[03:52] <jbicha> graft: that was bug 735166 which caused a bunch of controversy back in July
[04:11] <Strav> Hi. I just switched to 11.10 and I must say I kinda puzzeled. Is there any way to properly use the unity's launcher in auto-hide mode?
[04:14] <Strav> Is it just I or?
[04:15] <Strav> please tell me I'm wrong and there actually is a sane way to use the launcher with a mouse: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/863810
[04:16] <Strav`> Design hipsters that's what it is.
[04:17] <robin0800> Strav, if you set it to never first then auto hide will work and continue to work
[04:19] <Strav`> never first?
[04:20] <robin0800> Strav`, yes in confity if you have it or cccs
[04:21] <Strav`> robin0800: I'm using ccsm (is it what you mean?)
[04:21] <Strav`> and btw, I'm not saying auto-hide does not work, I'm saying that there's no way to properly use it without interfering with most applications.
[04:22] <Strav`> (are there more options in confity?)
[04:22] <urlin2u> Strav`, you can adjust the time it reacts.
[04:23] <robin0800> Strav`, yes I agree with the bug but this is my workaround
[04:24] <Strav`> urlin2u: yes I've played with the time it reacts. But I tend to decrease the time it takes to respond, not increase it. ;)
[04:28] <Strav`> I gotta say, some people need to know that there's a difference between usability and shiny pretty. It sure is nice and clean to have only the title displayed and the menu to show on mouse over, but I hear from a distance the new comers sayin: where the hell is my menu?! and other (more experienced users saying): great, before I could visually scan my menu and then move my cursor to the right one, now I have to move my cursor, scan the
[04:28] <Strav`> menu, and THEN move my cursor to the right place. A cursor doesn't weight a ton, but when you access you menus a hundred times per day, it's useless and anoying. (design hipsters again)
[04:33] <Strav`> Dash too is a pretty neat piece of crap while we're at it. I think I could easily name 3 to 4 basic needs that are rendered more difficult and counter intuitive by it. And hell was there really some developper time spent on that "let's color the dash with the average color of your background" thing?
[04:33] <urlin2u> Strav`, why are you using it the?
[04:33] <urlin2u> then
[04:35] <Strav`> Because it's been around 6 years I'm using ubuntu. Because I used to love this project and mainly, I'm generally critical of things I care about because I wish them to improve, not regress.
[04:36] <Strav`> And another because: because I involved a lot of time doing some custome configs for this box I'm using, I don't want to waste that time migrating elsewhere (not atm actually).
[04:37] <urlin2u> Strav`, your opinion is subjective no matter what, like all of ours, is this the place a support channel to express a rant?
[04:37] <Strav`> And actually there are great things with unity: the screen maximization extra space provided by the singe top window bar/menu, this is neat. The new application switcher too is nice but I guess credit goes to gnome 3 for this one.
[04:38] <Strav`> urlin2u: No my opinion might be subjective, but there are usability axioms: such as more clicks to do the same action is a waste, more mouse movements is a waste, more thinking, more guessing is a waste.
[04:40] <Strav`> urlin2u: and to be honest with you, I'm kinda just trolling to see if I might catch someone responsible for these decisions and ask him to explain me WHY?
[04:41] <urlin2u> Strav`, actually more thinking is good in the area of brain plasticity, if i make a purchase through the store in ubuntu, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_plasticity
[04:41] <urlin2u> tajke out the part of the seb=ntence that k=makes no sense oops  if i make a purchase through the store in ubuntu,
[04:42] <urlin2u> and the spelling to doh
[04:42] <IdleOne> trolling is only going to get you ignored
[04:43] <Strav`> urlin2u: well you know, I'd rather be thinking about how to prove a nice math conjecture than thinking: how can I click back in my browser without trigerring that damn application launcher.
[04:44] <Strav`> IdleOne: yea but ain't it fun?
[04:44] <urlin2u> only for you, the rest wonder when you will take the meds
[04:45] <urlin2u> :D
[04:45] <IdleOne> Strav`: not really, it is distracting to those who are here to help and get help.
[04:45] <Strav`> IdleOne: well if there's someone that'll come here for help, really, I'll let him speak.
[04:46] <Strav`> Btw, is it normal that my upgrade failed because of some problem with perl's dependencies?
[04:46] <IdleOne> Strav`: in a dev version, yes.
[04:47] <IdleOne> anything of everything is normal
[04:48] <Strav`> (I'm thinking about the general reaction people will have with those decisions concerning unity MIXED with all the defficiencies of gnome3, wow: no default way to change your icons, how to I install a theme? Didn't see those since a while.)
[04:49] <Strav`> IdleOne: I happend to be a dev so please don't lecture me about these. I'm just wondering if it's, to your knowledege, a well reported and documented issue.
[04:49] <IdleOne> if you are a dev then help fix it, patches welcome.
[04:50] <Strav`> I do contribute, but when I have time and when I feel like it (and I really don't feel like it atm).
[04:51] <Strav`> All that's spinning in my head right now is: arch arch arch baby (vanilla ice version).
[04:51] <IdleOne> ok, then go and work with arch and stop blogging in this support channel.
[04:52] <sgerbino> :O
[04:53] <Strav`> Agreed, I'm not productive. But before I leave I have one honest question for which I'd like an honest answer.
[04:55] <Strav`> What is happening with those design team? I sure am not the only one bashing his head against the wall am I? Do they take user feedback or they're just mandated to be emulating apple?
[04:55] <IdleOne> email them and ask.
[04:56] <IdleOne> canonical.com should have the address.
[04:56] <sgerbino> unity hater? :O
[04:56] <Strav`> Yea I'll get their mailing list.
[04:57] <Strav`> sgerbino: I don't hate unity (parts of it are really great), but there are some other parts that just don't make any sense to anyone in his right mind (in terms of clicks, mouse movement, general usability). Especially some of the "improvements" that came with 11.10.
[04:58] <IdleOne> You going to start again? if so let me know so I can mute you.
[04:58] <sgerbino> ah, I haven't noticed major differences other than aesthetic improvements
[04:58] <sgerbino> since 11.04 that is
[04:58] <IdleOne> This is a support channel NOT a rant about what you don't like channel.
[04:59] <Strav`> IdleOne: just a hint like that: usability bugs are real bugs.
[05:00] <Strav`> At least in the real world they are.
[05:00] <IdleOne> launchpad.net is the bug tracker used
[05:01] <IdleOne> I am not saying that your concerns are not valid, what I am saying is that this channel is not the place to voice them.
[05:01] <Strav`> IdleOne: yes I'm aware of that.
[05:01] <Strav`> And I'm really leaving actually. Thanks for the steam venting.
[05:02] <kristopher> ok i hear beta 2 is out. was anyone having a problem with ics and has anyone confirmed it working
[05:03] <ian_mac> wow what an a$$hole
[05:03] <ian_mac> pardon my language
[05:06] <kristopher> lol
[05:09] <ian_mac> not you kristopher
[05:11] <kristopher> yeah i know i saw the comment thanks for letting me vent by strav im guessing he came in asking questions being a dick getting no answers
[05:11] <kristopher> its irc lol
[05:38] <Johnny_Giggles> What version of gcc is included by default?  Is clang included by default?
[05:39] <IdleOne> 4:4.6.1-2ubuntu5
[05:39] <IdleOne> clang:
[05:39] <IdleOne>   Installed: (none)
[05:39] <IdleOne>   Candidate: 2.9-11ubuntu1
[05:40] <IdleOne> clang is available but not installed default
[05:40] <Johnny_Giggles> okay
[05:40] <Johnny_Giggles> but version 2.9
[05:40] <Johnny_Giggles> pretty good
[05:48] <Johnny_Giggles> Anything I should know about development on 11.10?
[05:48] <Johnny_Giggles> I might be virtualizing it on OS X by the way
[05:48] <Johnny_Giggles> I like gedit/gcc/Terminal
[05:48] <Johnny_Giggles> and svn
[07:17] <ubuntu_> is beta2 pretty stable?
[07:18] <ubuntu_> I need to provision a new workstation but I don't want to have to bother with upgrading in a week or two
[07:18] <nyuszika7h> ubottu ix talking o_O
[07:19] <nyuszika7h> oh
[07:19] <nyuszika7h> is*
[07:19] <nyuszika7h> and I confused it with ubuntu_
[07:19] <ubuntu_> I just need to know if it's stable enough for a general purpose workstation right now
[07:21] <ubuntu_> is anyone here using oneiric in production yet?
[07:23] <carli2> BUG! ICS does not work
[07:24] <carli2> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Internet/ConnectionSharing
[07:24] <Stanley00> ubuntu_: oeniric is still beta testing, so if you want a stable workstation, use LTS instead
[07:24] <carli2> this tutorial is outdated
[07:24] <carli2> i cant use LTS. i have modern hardware
[07:25] <carli2> Stanley00: why should i stop beta testing if i found a bug?
[07:25] <ubuntu_> I understand it's beta.
[07:25] <ubuntu_> How stable is it
[07:25] <Stanley00> carli2: sorry, I'm talking to ubuntu_ ;)
[07:26] <ubuntu_> are we talking frequent kernel panics?
[07:26] <carli2> oh ok
[07:26] <Stanley00> ubuntu_: dont know, crash randomly ;)
[07:26] <ubuntu_> or just the random odd bug here or there?
[07:26] <ubuntu_> so you're saying it crashes randomly at this point?
[07:26] <ubuntu_> even just a couple of weeks before general release?
[07:27] <Stanley00> ubuntu_: yep, my oneiric crash when I exit xchat :))
[07:27] <ubuntu_> wtf...
[07:27] <ubuntu_> how do they exect to be stable if the whole system crashes on application exits...
[07:28] <ubuntu_> that sounds like BS to me
[07:28] <ubuntu_> *expect
[07:28] <Stanley00> ubuntu_: haha, so I think you should use natty for a while, and wait 1 or 2 months to upgrade to oneiric ;)
[07:29] <ubuntu_> man, I'm tired of this stupid release cycle...
[07:29] <ubuntu_> I'd rn everything on Arch if rolling release didn't break fglrx every month
[07:32] <Stanley00> ubuntu_: haha, there are many distro out there, so if you dont like ubuntu, you can choose the others...
[07:33] <ubuntu_> I like ubuntu, just not the release cycle
[07:34] <carli2> xserver breaks fglrx because fglrx is not opensource and the API changes very often
[07:35] <carli2> use the open source driver if you dont play crysis with wine
[07:35] <ubuntu_> I do CAD/3D work, I have to have fglrx
[07:45] <TheSimkin> ubuntulog_: maybe you should grab yourself a working video card.. like an NVIDIA :)
[07:45] <TheSimkin> ati drivers are pitiful and lame
[07:45] <TheSimkin> same as ever
[08:05] <carli2> hi,
[08:06] <carli2> how can I tell apport to not start firefox but giving me:
[08:06] <carli2>  - a message window from where i can copy the link
[08:06] <carli2>  - or open firefox at display :10
[08:06] <carli2> firefox dosent open but tells me "firefox is already running"
[08:06] <carli2> so i cannot report bugs.
[08:08] <jbicha> carli2: apport-cli
[08:09] <carli2> jbicha: when a program crashes, it starts apport. how can i change that?
[08:16] <jbicha> carli2: well you can totally disable apport, in fact, Ubuntu will do that soon in prepartion for stable release
[08:17] <carli2> jbicha: but i need the bugfixes, otherwise i wouldnt call the "stable relase" a stable release
[08:18] <carli2> afaik stable releases watch for bugs. so why does everyone in #ubuntu+1 tell me to not report bugs?
[08:18] <jbicha> carli2: you can ask in #ubuntu-bugs but apport-cli will let you report crashes
[08:19] <carli2> where can i disable apport to start on startup?
[08:19] <jbicha> you're confusing, first you don't want apport then you do, then you don't ;)
[08:20] <jbicha> sudo nano /etc/default/apport and change enabled to 0
[08:22] <carli2> the problem with apport is that it tries to open firefox at DISPLAY=:0
[08:22] <carli2> but firefox is opened on display :10
[08:22] <carli2> so i cannot report bugs with apport because firefox tells me "firefox is already opened"
[08:24] <carli2> and when i disable apport in /etc/default/apport, it wouldnt collect crash data.
[08:25] <carli2> i want to use apport, but it's not working on my system. that's the point
[08:26] <carli2> i'm using x2x and firefox is running on the second screen.
[08:27] <jbicha> change your default browser briefly to chromium for instance
[08:27] <carli2> lol
[08:27] <carli2> why dont you suppose me to use windows which has no bugs?
[08:28] <jbicha> do whatever you like, I gave you 3 different solutions
[08:28] <IdleOne> Windows has no bugs?
[08:28] <carli2> i use the 4th solution and reported a bug
[08:29] <IdleOne> right right, they are called "open ports" in Windows
[08:33] <drussell> carli2: I'm not certain there's an easy way to do what you want... (use apport but have it use a different display)
[08:34] <drussell> carli2: one thing you might try is removing apport-gtk
[08:35] <drussell> carli2: which would leave the cli part of apport in place
[08:35] <carli2> hmm, good idea
[08:35] <drussell> carli2: I've not tried it, but failing that, it sounds like a good feature request to raise
[08:35] <drussell> carli2: let me know if it works, I'm curious
[08:36] <carli2> well, then i have to wait for a crash
[08:36]  * carli2 has an idea how to raise a random crash in ubuntu
[08:36] <drussell> carli2: I think there's a "test"
[08:38] <Stanley00> hmm, why dont we use a "good" method to download update package for ubuntu, some kind like zsync or torrent?
[08:39] <Ian_Corne> there's apt-p2p
[08:41] <carli2> drussel: when i remove apport-gtk, it opens firefox anyway, but now i have better control on hich display to start it :)
[08:42] <carli2> Stanley00: there is a menu point in synaptic "generate script that downloads packages"
[08:42] <drussell> carli2: good stuff :o)
[08:43] <Stanley00> carli2: and then, we have to download every bytes of the deb file we need...
[08:44] <carli2> Stanley00: you can execute this script on a machine which has internet and you get a folder full of deb files
[08:46] <Stanley00> carli2: oh, I mean, if I already had a deb file, eg a-0.0.1.deb, and then there is a-0.0.2.deb in the repos, why dont we use zsync to just download the different part of two file, instead of download all a-0.0.2.deb?
[08:46] <freedom07> 13 days to go
[08:49] <carli2> how can i attach more than one file to a launchpad report?
[08:52] <carli2> okay i created the attachment afterwards
[08:55] <jbicha> Stanley00: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-o-debdelta
[08:59] <Stanley00> jbicha: hope it will finish soon...
[09:02] <jtaylor> I wonder why it take so long to get to ubuntu? debdelta is working debian since ages :/
[09:03] <jtaylor> ubuntu also needs the pdiff update ._. downloading 30mb in a apt-get update sucks
[09:11] <Stanley00> jtaylor: it's here, in oneiric, why blueprint said it's postponed?
[09:11] <jtaylor> its there but does it work?
[09:11] <jtaylor> last I checked it didn'T
[09:12] <Stanley00> just downloaded, I testing it now...
[09:13] <jtaylor> nope not working for me
[09:13] <jtaylor> Also I think it was only planed for stable releases
[09:19] <Stanley00> yep, not working for me too... :(
[09:22] <jtaylor> really sucks, currently again working on 140mb download, mostly libreoff where probably only a few kb of the apcakge actually changed ._.
[09:22] <jtaylor> 22.3 kB/s 1h 36min 27s
[09:22] <jtaylor> hurray
[10:00] <alex--> What are the differences between 11.04 and 11.10?
[10:01] <jtaylor> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricOcelot/TechnicalOverview
[10:01] <carli2> gnome3
[10:02] <alex--> How to switch back to gnome 2 on 11.10?
[10:02] <carli2> use another distro
[10:02] <alex--> Why?
[10:02] <jtaylor> gnome2 is dead
[10:02] <alex--> i dont want to reboot every time I want to use gnome or unity
[10:02] <alex--> I want to use gnome because it gives me lot of customization
[10:02] <jtaylor> it will disappear everywhere, only forks may continue to exist
[10:02] <alex--> Something Unity is missing
[10:03] <alex--> And Unity is keeping my CPU fan turned on all the time
[10:03] <alex--> (and asking much power consumption)
[10:03] <carli2> use awesome
[10:03] <alex--> what is awesome?
[10:04] <ali1234> oneiric suspends even when it should be disabled by the settings. which package should i report that against?
[10:04] <jtaylor> that is know
[10:04] <carli2> you just need to add gnome-settings-daemon to the awesome startup script, so all widgets are working
[10:04] <jtaylor> critical bug but I don't remember which number :/
[10:04] <ali1234> jtaylor: me?
[10:05] <jtaylor> y
[10:05] <ali1234> looks like bug 854624
[10:05] <alex--> Any way to customize Unity?
[10:05] <carli2> alex: check out unity source ;)
[10:08] <carli2> aaah :) now i understand the multiarch support
[10:09] <alex--> Any way to customize unity?
[10:09] <ali1234> move the buttons around
[10:10] <carli2> alex--: get the source
[10:11] <alex--> source of what?
[10:11] <carli2> of unity
[10:11] <carli2> or what do you want to customize?
[10:11] <alex--> everything?
[10:12] <alex--> just drag n drop every bar to somewhere else
[10:12] <alex--> chaning the layout of the left bar
[10:12] <alex--> place it to the bottom
[10:13] <carli2> alex--: https://code.launchpad.net/unity
[10:13] <alex--> Something which will add all active apps to the top
[10:13] <alex--> And non active to the bottom
[10:14] <alex--> I can't code..
[10:15] <Eduard> Hey guys
[10:15] <Eduard> Any ideas, if the 'add launcher to desktop' feature was dropped in 11.10?
[10:15] <ali1234> it was
[10:15] <carli2> alex--: there is a package called gnome-fallback
[10:16] <alex--> What's that?
[10:16] <Eduard> so, i'm basically stuck  with creating folder or new documents only? that sucks
[10:16] <Eduard> ...
[10:16] <alex--> I like Unity if you can customize it like Gnome could
[10:16] <carli2> the gnome3 desktop where you can arrange things by pressing Alt
[10:16] <alex--> I dont want gnome 3
[10:17] <Eduard> how do add manually installed application to dash home?
[10:18] <dr_willis> unity is a work in progress
[10:18] <Eduard> oh, ok. Guess i'll need to wait till the final release in 2 weeks ^^
[10:19] <jtaylor> you may have to create a .desktop file
[10:19] <dr_willis> been using gnome 3 more lately
[10:19] <carli2> Eduard: use the ubuntu-bug program
[10:19] <jtaylor> copy one from /usr/share/applications modify it and install it with desktop-file-install
[10:19] <swat_> i've just installed lubuntu to give that a whirl
[10:19] <swat_> seriously impressive compared to the speed of both unity and unity-2d on my netbook
[10:19] <ali1234> over the past month i've tried every alternative to unity and all of them are even worse
[10:21] <swat_> i think unity would be great if i had a pc with a bit more poke
[10:21] <dr_willis> unity alternatve like what?
[10:21] <ali1234> almost certainly you just need more ram
[10:21] <ali1234> dr_willis: kde, gnome shell, xfce
[10:22] <swat_> ali1234: possibly, it does only have 1gig
[10:22] <dr_willis> you mean other desktops then :)
[10:22] <ali1234> alternatives, yes
[10:22] <ali1234> they are not really desktops
[10:22] <ali1234> they are just window managers
[10:23] <dr_willis> kde is a desktop. openbox is a wm
[10:23] <dr_willis> gnomeshell is a shell...
[10:24] <ali1234> the only thing i am interested in is window management
[10:24] <ali1234> every other feature of the desktop is mostly meaningless
[10:24] <ali1234> for example, indexing. the first thing i always turn off
[10:24] <dr_willis> unity is not a window manager.
[10:24] <ali1234> which reminds me, i need to uninstall zeitgeist on this machine
[10:24] <carli2> you can simply turn a window manager to a desktop when you run some additional programs like synapse for your main menu and gnome-settings-daemon which will give you network manager etc.
[10:25] <ali1234> oh, so switching between windows does not count as window management?
[10:25] <dr_willis> compiz is the wm under unity
[10:25] <ali1234> and your point is?
[10:25] <dr_willis> you are comfuseing terms.
[10:26] <ali1234> X11 is the windowing system under compiz
[10:26] <ali1234> this is irrelevent
[10:26] <ali1234> unity is a compiz plugin
[10:26] <ali1234> compiz is a window manager
[10:26] <dr_willis> now you are getting it
[10:26] <ali1234> since unity *is* compiz
[10:27] <ali1234> unity is a window manager
[10:27] <dr_willis> gotta run. bbl
[10:27] <dr_willis> unity is a shell.. it is not compiz. chat later.
[10:27] <ali1234> ok then
[10:28] <ali1234> i tried every alternative to the unity SHELL, and they are all even worse
[10:34] <alex--> What are the main differences between clean install and upgrade?
[10:35] <ali1234> upgrade is less likely to work properly
[10:37] <alex--> what do you mean?
[10:37] <alex--> For now ( because it's beta ), or always?
[10:37] <ali1234> always
[10:38] <alex--> :(
[10:38] <alex--> I wonder, why don't we merge the me menu and the email menu?
[10:44] <alex--> I have a problem with 11.10d
[10:44] <alex--> 11.10 *
[10:44] <alex--> I can only set display brightness to 0 or to full
[10:44] <alex--> No middle thing
[11:00] <MarkGreenwood> Hey guys, I have a quick question... With the release of GNOME 3.2 came the quick preview option for image/video/whatever files and it hasn't been packaed in Ubuntu 11.10 yet. I was wondering since it's the hard freeze, will it ever be implemented ?
[11:02] <MarkGreenwood> hello?
[11:02] <ali1234> hi
[11:02] <bazhang> !info gnome-desktop3
[11:02] <bazhang> augh
[11:02] <MarkGreenwood> Hum ?
[11:03] <bazhang> !info gnome-shell
[11:03] <bazhang> MarkGreenwood, ^ note the version number
[11:05] <MarkGreenwood> I know, but I just want to know if the quick preview feature will be implemented or not alongside some others like the new Documents app.
[11:08] <MarkGreenwood> So... No one knows ?
[11:09] <bazhang> someone does, just not me
[11:09] <MarkGreenwood> Oh ok... Well am I at the riht place ?
[11:09] <MarkGreenwood> right*
[11:09] <bazhang> yeppers
[11:09] <MarkGreenwood> Ok :P
[11:09] <bazhang> :)
[11:10] <bazhang> I will google a bit more
[11:10] <MarkGreenwood> Well, even if it does not make it through this release, Oneiric will be the best Ubuntu release so far for me :D
[11:10] <MarkGreenwood> I absolutely love it
[11:11] <MarkGreenwood> If it is any help, I think the package is called SuShi
[11:12] <bazhang> !find sushi
[11:12] <bazhang> !info sushi-plugins
[11:12] <bazhang> nope
[11:12] <MarkGreenwood> Mmh :\
[11:12] <MarkGreenwood> Wait I got a link..
[11:14] <MarkGreenwood> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6KiwtkE0iY  That was back in beta 2... The title reads: GNOME 3.2 beta 2 with the Sushi utility
[11:14] <MarkGreenwood> But it has been implemented in GNOME 3.2 officially, see the release notes
[11:15] <vsync> Is there any way to disable the screen turning off and/or to disable suspend?
[11:15] <bazhang> very nice. thanks for the link
[11:15] <MarkGreenwood> Go in the power settins
[11:16] <MarkGreenwood> vsync , Go in system settings: Power option
[11:16] <vsync> MarkGreenwood yeah, but it doesn't work, really. When i try to set "never" on the screen turning off... It resets it to "1 minute"
[11:16] <vsync> and as for suspend, i have "don't suspend" in power settings, yet it still suspends
[11:17] <freedom07> just upgraded to lubuntu 11.10 daily build...... looks nice, had trouble with beta 2
[11:17] <MarkGreenwood> vsync Have you installed the latest updates ?
[11:17] <vsync> Oops, some arrived today. Was checking last night and there were none. Sorry =)
[11:17] <hauteville> how i can change fonts with 11.10? am i just stupid? can't find any dialog for it
[11:20] <ali1234> i think software center should ask why you are removing a program, like android does
[11:23] <dr_willis> ali1234:  id rather it not ask and just do what i say. :)
[11:23] <voidr> hello, can someone tell me how can I get the compiz switcher working again? Oneiric broke it
[11:24] <ali1234> i would enjoy clicking "it is defective" and "i do not use or want it" for all the crap in ubuntu that i have to uninstall
[11:24] <dr_willis> you are assumneing someone actually cares to read the comments. :)
[11:25] <dr_willis> I find the whole star rateing/comment system in android market to be getting to the point of being useless.
[11:25] <ali1234> yes the star rating is useless
[11:25] <ali1234> either you like a program or you don't
[11:25] <ali1234> not that you can even review things at the moment
[11:25] <ali1234> since software center just bombs out if you try
[11:26] <dr_willis> I havent even tried software center in ages. My Beta box is headless. :) just using ssh with it now.
[11:27] <ali1234> so it seems that gnome-activity-journal no longer works for disabling zeitgeist
[11:30] <Peter_Bilt> fascinating
[11:31] <voidr> how can I set compiz to be the default vm?
[11:31] <dr_willis> default window manager? it is the default for the ubuntu session.
[11:31] <voidr> I use GNOME2 session :)
[11:32] <dr_willis>  You installed gnome2 somehow?
[11:32] <dr_willis> or are you refering to the gnome-shell fallback session?
[11:33] <voidr> ohhh wait I think I got it, I don't really know what's up, it's quite confusing, the main thing is I am not using neither Gnome shell nor Unity, I don't like neither of them
[11:34] <dr_willis> both run on top of gnome-3 :) they are shells.. so what are you really wanting to do?
[11:34] <voidr> okay great, well I think I solved it, brb
[11:37] <voidr> okay it works, dr_willis basically I get rid of Unity, Gnome Panel, Globalmenu, and get myself an Avant Window Navigator and use compiz to customize window switching and all that
[11:38] <dr_willis> just install openbox or some other wm. and run awn on it...
[11:39] <dr_willis> i wouldent even bother with compiz.
[11:39] <dr_willis> :)
[11:39] <dr_willis> You could make a custome shession i guess that uses compiz and awn, and some file manager.
[11:40] <dr_willis> You could most likely make gnome-shell very minimnal with no panels or anything else extra also. and just use awn with it. Ive not tweaked gnome shell much yet.
[11:40] <Trewas> the X server is randomly ~crashing when using nvidia driver 280.something (gtx 560) and I'd like to try 275.xx driver, but looks like it never was packaged for ubuntu... how likely something will break if I just use the nvidia installer?
[11:40] <ali1234> you can't modify the panels in gnome shell
[11:40] <voidr> the reason I like compiz is because it let's me customize window switching a.k.a. "ALT+TAB", I am really sensitive to speed dr_willis
[11:41] <dr_willis> ali1234:  from what  i read of the gnome-shell homepage/docs you should be able to at some time. if you know  javascript I recall.. but it may not be in a state where you can yet.
[11:41] <ali1234> currently it is exactly like unity
[11:41] <dr_willis> I dont see why fancy-alt-tabbing should be a top priority. :)
[11:41] <ali1234> one panel at the top which can't be modified
[11:42] <voidr> dr_willis, I'm a heavy keyboard and ALT+TAB user :)
[11:43] <dr_willis> I alt-tab constantly. i dont care what it looks like really..
[11:43] <dr_willis> I just hit it till i get to the right window.
[11:43] <voidr> only thing left is make Gnome Do work, it got broken during upgrade :(
[11:43] <jtaylor> what bothers me is thar you can't use the mouse in the alt tab popup anymore ...
[11:44] <jtaylor> that was useful when I have to many windows open ._.
[11:44] <voidr> dr_willis, yeah, but I want it to be fast, the default gnome switcher seems clunky and slow by comparism
[11:47] <penguin42> hmph lightdm crashed on me at login
[11:48] <dr_willis> voidr:  cant say i noticed it being slow. but ive not used the actual X desktop on my ubuntu box in ages.. :) always sshing in from my phone.
[11:48] <dr_willis> i cant even recall how the openbox alt-tab stuff looks like
[11:55] <dr_willis> Hmm. just saw this interesting line when doing updates (when configruing the default dm)
[11:56] <dr_willis>  Multiple display managers can run simultaneously if they are configured to manage different servers;
[11:56] <dr_willis> they are saying i could have lightdm on monitor #1 and  lxdm on monitor #2 ?  or how do  they mean 'manage differnt servers'
[11:58] <penguin42> dr_willis: If you have multiple cards
[11:59] <penguin42> dr_willis: You can run say one X server on each of two graphics cards, and each could run its own choice of display manager
[11:59] <carli2> dr_willis: X :1 & X :2 # this starts two other X servers and you can switch between them with Ctrl+Alt+F8 and Ctrl+Alt+F9
[11:59] <penguin42> dr_willis: Or you could run a server that just remote X logins and again it runs its own display manager
[12:00] <carli2> dr_willis: you start programs in these xservers with DISPLAY=:1 gnome-session
[12:00] <carli2> penguin42: multiple GPUs on the same xserver become different screens, not servers
[12:00] <Daekdroom> Does anyone else have no sound since yesterday's updates?
[12:00] <dr_willis> yea. ive also seen some mention of the 'hotseat' feature of X. where you could have 2+ monitors and extra keyboards/mice.
[12:01] <carli2> Daekroom: i had. but i found a workaround
[12:01] <penguin42> carli2: I said multiple cards
[12:01] <tuukkah__> yay, solved the boot problem i had with a new installation. as grub had failed, mv /sbin/initctl.REAL /sbin/initctl remained to be done
[12:01] <carli2> penguin42: a "card" is a GPU in xserver terms
[12:02] <penguin42> carli2:You can run separate X servers for independent GPUs
[12:02] <Daekdroom> carli2, which was..?
[12:03] <carli2> Daekdroom: install alsamixergui and click on the sound symbol. this re-enables sound
[12:04] <carli2> Daekdroom: everytime i plug in a front earphone, the sound gets deactivated
[12:05] <afief_> Guys it looks like my xserver broke after apt claimed that I no longer need fglrx. Could someone tell me how to connect to LAN from cli so I can re-install it?
[12:05] <Ian_Corne> is the updated fglrx available yet?
[12:06] <penguin42> afief_: Do    nmcli con list   and it should show a big long UUID for eth0,   then do  nmcli up uuid thenthebiglongnumber
[12:08] <afief__> My installation broke due to apt removing fglrx, now I can't get into my DE. Could someone tell me how to connect to lan/wan through CLI?
[12:10] <afief> My installation broke due to apt removing fglrx, now I can't get into my DE. Could someone tell me how to connect to lan/wan through CLI?
[12:12] <carli2> afief: ifconfig, /etc/network/interfaces
[12:13] <Ian_Corne> !schedule
[12:14] <afief> carli2: sorry I don't understand
[12:14] <carli2> afief: use google and search for <insert what i pasted before>
[12:18] <Stanley00> afief:  first, make sure your network card is up, via ifconfig eth0 up, or ifconfig wlan0 up if you use wireless...
[12:19] <Stanley00> afief: then, use dhclient eth0 or dhclient wlan0 to obtain an ip address...
[12:20] <dr_willis> actually if apt removed flgrx shouldent it then default to the GPL ati drivers?
[12:20] <afief> dr_willis: I tried with both vesa and radeon drivers, but for some reason login fails
[12:23] <afief> Stanley00: hmmm dhclient is taking a lot of time(more than it used to take through network-manager). I seem to have an ipv6 but now ipv4 yet
[12:24] <Stanley00> afief: yes, it take some time, you can set static ip via ifconfig, but I dont know how, digging in man ifconfig for more detail... ;)
[12:26] <afief> funny thing is that kms is working(didn't in 11.04)
[12:46] <pr0ph3t> hi all
[12:47] <penguin42> hmm I wonder how to work around the power saving
[13:18] <Eduard> guys, what does this mean?? 'Warning: Xalloc: requesting unpleasantly large amount of memory: 0 bytes.' ?
[13:18] <Eduard> i took the lines from the end of Xorg.0.log
[13:18] <penguin42> that's fun
[13:20] <penguin42> Eduard: It looks like something in the Xserver tried to allocate 0 bytes of memory, it shouldn't do that
[13:21] <Eduard> hmm, how do I pinpoint whats causing the problem?
[13:21] <penguin42> Eduard: Is that the only line of error - do you just get one or a lot fo them?
[13:22] <Eduard> penguin42: quite a few of them after all init sequence log
[13:23] <penguin42> Eduard: I think you'd probably have to take a debugger to the X server at startup, breakpoint on the code that outputs the error and get a backtrace - a bit of a pain
[13:23] <penguin42> (unless X has a hook for doing that)
[13:24] <Eduard> hmm, maybe i'll leave that up for better times, bcus I only can't play fps games >.>
[13:24] <Eduard> btw, what does kernel option 'nopat' do
[13:25] <penguin42> Eduard: Hmm well start by reporting the bug, you might also try xorg-edgers to see if it's fixed in there
[13:44] <coz_> finally t he mini iso ,, I think,, thanks yofel
[14:06] <BluesKaj> hi folks
[14:06] <coz_> hey guy
[14:11] <BluesKaj> dragon player plays xvid video wrapped in avi , but not dvd files ripped to avi . This issue cropped up after yesterday's upgrades ...any ideas ?.
[14:14] <Arnold> Hello everyone.
[14:20] <saulotoledo> --exec-prefix on configure files to compile to ubuntu is /etc?
[14:23] <saulotoledo> ops sorry!, is /usr?
[14:28] <Daekdroom> Is anyone aware of something important being broken?
[14:28] <Daekdroom> I have no sound, nm doesn't see my network and mesa is on software rendering.
[14:30] <saulotoledo> Daekdroom: NM can see your network by editing /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf and setting "true" on "managed"
[14:30] <Daekdroom> saulotoledo, it was working alright yesterday
[14:30] <Daekdroom> All those stuff broke at the same time
[14:31] <saulotoledo> Daekdroom: Some upgrade?
[14:31] <Daekdroom> Possibly.
[14:31] <Daekdroom> But I thought it was possible someone already had these issues. I'll try finding a bug report on Launchpad
[14:32] <saulotoledo> Daekdroom: I got a strange broken into +1 yesterday too.... but with dbus, not yours... If I find something near this I post here
[14:34] <BluesKaj> yeah, I heve some multimedia issues ...was using dragonplayer for av iand flv files  but now some avi and all flv don't even load into the player when selected
[14:45] <Daekdroom> A reboot and everything is fixed. It could have been this morning's grub upgrade or the fact that I decided to boot -11 instead of -12
[14:50] <bakkerthehacker> i need some help! i cant connect to any networks after a recent update to 11.10
[14:51] <bakkerthehacker> my nm-applet only shows 4 options, enable wired, enable wireless, connection info and edit connections...
[14:59] <FoolishOwl2> I just came across a problem with the users currently logged in not being reported correctly in 'who', 'w', or 'last'.
[14:59] <FoolishOwl2> I'm wondering how best to report the bug.
[15:00] <FoolishOwl2> I'm guessing that it's something like lightDM not updating wtmp.
[15:01] <FoolishOwl2> Or utmp.
[15:03] <saulotoledo> I have trouble compiling tracker 0.12.3 with this error on make: tracker-extract.c:309:44: error: ‘statements’ undeclared (first use in this function)
[15:03] <saulotoledo> I'm using ./configure --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc --localstatedir=/var --enable-gtk-doc --enable-gtk-doc-html --enable-gtk-doc-pdf --enable-maemo --enable-journal --enable-tracker-fts --enable-unit-tests --disable-upower --disable-hal --enable-gnome-keyring --enable-network-manager --enable-libexif --enable-libiptcdata --enable-exempi --enable-meegotouch --enable-miner-flickr --enable-miner-rs
[15:03] <saulotoledo> s --enable-miner-evolution --enable-miner-thunderbird --enable-miner-firefox --enable-nautilus-extension --enable-taglib --enable-tracker-needle --enable-tracker-preferences --enable-tracker-explorer --enable-libstreamanalyzer --disable-libxml2 --enable-gdkpixbuf --disable-unzip-ps-gz-files --enable-poppler --enable-libgsf --enable-libgif --enable-libjpeg --enable-libtiff --enable-libvorbis...
[15:03] <saulotoledo> ...--enable-libflac --enable-playlist --enable-guarantee-metadata
[15:04] <jtaylor> that version is not packaged or?
[15:04] <jtaylor> in that case better ask upstream or check the package if there is some patch applied to make it work there
[15:10] <FoolishOwl2> Okay, something changed with an update applied yesterday, such that utmp no longer lists GUI logins.
[15:16] <FoolishOwl2> Can someone, logged in via GUI, check whether 'who' lists the GUI login?
[15:16] <Monotoko_Oneric> hey guys... I'm having problems installing 11.10 Beta 2: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/743359
[15:16] <Monotoko_Oneric> the installer keeps crashing...
[15:17] <saulotoledo> jtaylor: Realy not packages.... I'm trying install gnome-documents, it's not on ubuntu :(
[15:17] <jtaylor> tracker 0.12.3 is in debian experimental
[15:18] <jtaylor> check that package for patches you can use
[15:19] <Monotoko_Oneric> FoolishOwl2, I get pts/1 when I run "who"
[15:19] <Monotoko_Oneric> which I assume is the GUI
[15:19] <Monotoko_Oneric> but I'm stuck on the live environment atm... are there any known fixes for the bug above? :/
[15:19] <FoolishOwl2> Yes, should be.
[15:20] <FoolishOwl2> I'm pretty sure this was the result of an update yesterday, judging by the output of 'last'.
[15:22] <Monotoko_Oneric> it says "fix released" >.<
[15:22] <bjsnider> saulotoledo, that's being worked on
[15:29] <saulotoledo> jtaylor, bjsnider: thanks! just installing libtracker debian packages let me compile gnome-documents!
[15:32] <FoolishOwl2> I posted on ubuntuforums.org; maybe someone will have a suggestion.
[15:35] <bjsnider> saulotoledo, ok, but it's being worked on
[15:38] <saulotoledo> bjsnider: ok :) Do you have some idea about when it's out for us?
[15:38] <saulotoledo> jtaylor, bjsnider: compiled, but do not works... http://pastebin.com/Lmsbqkge
[15:39] <jtaylor> apparently something is missing
[15:41] <jtaylor> no idea what
[15:42] <saulotoledo> jtaylor: It's on this line at code: const Gd = imports.gi.Gd;
[15:44] <saulotoledo> jtaylor: Found! gir1.2-gdata-0.0, but now I receive the error "/usr/bin/gnome-documents: line 15:  9190 Segmentation fault  (imagem do núcleo gravada) /usr/bin/env gjs -I /usr/share/gnome-documents/js -c "const Main = imports.main; Main.start();""
[15:45] <jtaylor> did you just instal libraries from debian?
[15:45] <jtaylor> thats probably not a good idea, they dependencies might not be compatible
[15:45] <jtaylor> you should recompile the debian tracker package and install the result
[15:46] <jtaylor> is there already a name for oneiric + 2?
[15:46] <jtaylor> +1
[15:47] <Ian_Corne> not that I know
[15:47] <jtaylor> isn't that usualla announced before the release?
[15:51] <saulotoledo> jtaylor, bjsnider: ok ok, I quit :(  I will wait for oficial packages... some idea about when they are available?
[15:53] <jtaylor> it seems its not in debian yet, so it might take a while
[15:54] <saulotoledo> jtaylor: They come to Ubuntu after exit debian experimental?
[15:55] <jtaylor> they won't go into 11.10 anymore
[15:55] <jtaylor> but maybe in 12.04
[15:56] <saulotoledo> jtaylor: oO'
[15:57] <saulotoledo> jtaylor: Where I find the tar.gz from debian? ^^
[15:58] <jtaylor> install ubuntu-dev-tools, then do pull-debian-source package suite
[15:59] <jtaylor> e.g to build it: pull-debian-source pull-debian-source tracker experimental; cd tracker-...; mk-build-dep -i -r; debuild; sudo debi ../tracker*changes; sudo apt-get install -f
[15:59] <jtaylor> debuild -us -uc if you have no gpg key
[16:06] <SMJ> I had to switch to KDE because the other desktops turned all Swedish after some upgrade, and the option to switch locales has been successfully hidden and disabled
[16:09]  * penguin42 giggles - that's a wonderful problem
[16:09] <bjsnider> saulotoledo, i think there will be ppa packages before too long. the packaging scripts are being developed right now
[16:09] <BluesKaj>  heh, tried rekonq and it decided that my locale and language was Spain/Spanish for some reason , altho allsettings are for Canada English otherwise :)
[16:10] <penguin42> SMJ: Select the top item on the cog menu at the far right - that gives you system settings, then the item under the blue flag is Language Support - 3rd along for me
[16:12]  * penguin42 notes that killing upower doesn't stop the over zealous power save
[16:13] <SMJ> It would be easier for everyone to choose the language from login screen... Imagine navigating your desktop in Chinese
[16:14] <penguin42> nod
[16:15] <BluesKaj> dragonplayer is broken again , after yesterdays updates
[16:18] <SMJ> penguin42: also, I was using xfce.
[16:19] <penguin42> SMJ: Oh in that case, I don't know where it is :-)
[16:19] <penguin42> SMJ: I had a similar problem a while ago using gdm as the display manager for KDE; it doesn't set the locale any more
[16:20]  * BluesKaj wonders when a Qt backend will be written for KDE and phonon...gstreamer is ok  but vlc-backend suddenly stopped working so we've run out of options
[16:21] <saulotoledo> bjsnider: great! :D
[16:22] <saulotoledo> jtaylor, bjsnider: the checkinstall package fails a lot while creating deb for this gnome libraries, frequently I receive errors of  directory not found....
[16:22] <BluesKaj> I'm afraid these last updates have buggered up some media players / multimedia settings
[16:22] <saulotoledo> jtaylor, bjsnider: I'm creating the directories manually to allow checkinstall works
[16:23] <SMJ> my firefox is still swedish D:
[16:26] <SMJ> and that means a lot of my internet will be swedish
[16:26] <penguin42> do you happen to know Swedish?
[16:27] <BluesKaj> SMJ, Finland Swedish or ... ?
[16:27] <SMJ> how do I check?
[16:28] <BluesKaj> by the accent :)
[16:28] <BluesKaj> <---used to speak Finland Swedish
[16:40] <saulotoledo> jtaylor, bjsnider: haha! It's opening now, but do not works! xD My gnome chat into gmail and the preview in nautilus do not works too :_D
[16:40] <saulotoledo> jtaylor, bjsnider: Really thanks for your help, isn't working, but I learned a lot today. The PPA will be with full gnome, probably, isn't it?
[16:44] <BluesKaj> SMJ, did you update just recently ? I'm on KDE , but my problems are with multimedia, not with locale and language
[16:50] <SMJ> yes.
[16:53] <BluesKaj> SMJ, what does locale have in system settings ?
[16:56] <penguin42> anyone had any issues with USB storage?
[16:56] <SMJ> in KDE everything's set to Finnish
[16:57] <penguin42> SMJ: ARe you still using GDM/lightdm as the login manager?
[16:59] <SMJ> yes
[17:00] <penguin42> SMJ: Switch to using kdm
[17:00] <SMJ> okay
[17:00] <BluesKaj> ahh, gnome/kde user
[17:01] <SMJ> does that make my Xfce Finnish again?
[17:01] <penguin42> SMJ: I doubt it :-)
[17:01] <hdpb> With the launcher hide set to anything but NEVER, it fails to reappear when the mouse is on the left edge
[17:01] <penguin42> SMJ: I think kdm probably still sets the language prior to login
[17:02] <SMJ> well, in KDE most of the stuff is the way it should be
[17:02] <SMJ> so shouldn't switching to KDM fix the other desktops?
[17:03] <penguin42> SMJ: I think it probably will
[17:03] <saulotoledo> jtaylor, bjsnider: installed all gir1.2 packages and its working!!!!
[17:06] <SMJ> it did not
[17:06] <penguin42> hmph
[17:36] <Peter_Bilt> i need a good backup solution with GUI for Linux
[17:37] <Peter_Bilt> someone knows a good thing to do that kind of heroic task?
[17:38]  * penguin42 hasn't tried any of the backup ones
[17:39] <penguin42> Peter_Bilt: I think it was storebackup that someone suggested to me a while ago
[18:00] <mortal> my computers have started to go to suspend :/
[18:01] <penguin42> mortal: Yeh there's a bug with it ignoring the setting telling it not to do it when on power
[18:28] <IdleOne> someone please tell me how to get rid of these damn overlay scrollbars
[18:28] <IdleOne> liboverlay and overlay-scrollbars are both removed
[18:29] <ali1234> did you reboot?
[18:29] <IdleOne> I need to reboot for this?
[18:29] <ali1234> maybe, i dunno
[18:29] <IdleOne> might as well try :)
[18:29] <sburwood1> I have different problems between the 32 bit version I have on my EEEPC and the 64 bit version on my desktop.  Sound is one worry for both.  On my EEEPC, I have a problem because there isn't a thing in the taskbar that shows the network connections available
[18:29] <ali1234> i didn't try to remove them yet
[18:30] <ali1234> still trying to get rid of gwibber without removing ubuntu-desktop
[18:30] <sburwood1> I do hope that I will see improvements from the beta 2 I have and the final version
[18:31] <ali1234> does anyone else find this progress spinner reeally annoying to look at? http://imagebin.org/176995
[18:31] <ali1234> the arrow heads are tangental to the circular part
[18:31] <ali1234> when it rotates, it just looks wrong to me
[18:31] <ali1234> the arrow heads need to point inwards a bit more
[18:32] <urlin2u> ali1234, it messes with the feng shui eh
[18:33] <ali1234> yes very much so
[18:33] <ali1234> IdleOne: did it work?
[18:34] <IdleOne> ugh still there :(
[18:36] <ali1234> does anyone know where i could find that graphic to fix it?
[18:37] <IdleOne> How do I completely remove Unity?
[18:39] <jbicha> IdleOne: install Fedora ;-)
[18:39]  * uRock Basphemy!
[18:39]  * uRock Blasphemy!
[18:39] <jbicha> ok, install Kubuntu, Xubuntu over your Ubuntu install...
[18:40] <ali1234> or gnome-shell
[18:40] <jbicha> install Windows
[18:40] <IdleOne> !behelpful
[18:41] <IdleOne> I have kubuntu installed now I wantto get rid of all traces of Unity
[18:41] <ali1234> purge unity and unity-place-*
[18:41] <ali1234> and zeitgeist
[18:41] <jbicha> and compiz
[18:41] <jtaylor> remove libunity6 but no guarantees that anything will still work then
[18:41] <ali1234> although if you installed kubuntu... you shouldn't have unity installed to start with
[18:42] <IdleOne> I installed both
[18:42] <ali1234> i don't like doing that
[18:42] <ali1234> not becuase you still get unity
[18:42] <ali1234> but because you get all kde apps and all gnome apps in the kde menu
[18:42] <ali1234> and the kde menu is bad enough when it only has kde things in it
[19:02] <itaylor57> KM0201, o/
[19:02] <KM0201> itaylor57: o/
[19:03] <KM0201> i'm not sure why i come here, iv'e not really messed with +1 yet..lol.. been to busy mastering the server install.
[19:03] <itaylor57> well I jumped into to and so far no big problems
[19:04] <KM0201> whats new in 12.04? (i'll probably use lxde... rather than anything unity)
[19:04] <KM0201> *11.10  i mean
[19:04] <KM0201> or do you mean you jumped intoa server install
[19:04] <itaylor57> no desktop
[19:05] <KM0201> oh.... yeah i've honestly not even tried it yet
[19:14] <penguin42> hmm - I wonder if this PM bug is going to affect installs
[19:39] <Derg> ** newb alert ** I have a few questions about power settings in 11.10...I have a comp that I use for ssh forwarding / file serving, that I pushed up to 11.10.. The problem is it goes to standby after about 1 hour of no activity. I cant find any settings or anything that would cause this, so I dont know where to look to correct it. Any ideas?
[19:42] <kjeldahl> Known bug; power settings (at least according to the GUI) is being ignored. Even desktops hibernate. No workaround that I have heard about it yet. You should be able to find it on bugs.launchpad.net .
[19:42] <Derg> thanks for the tip..
[19:48] <penguin42> bug 882813
[19:48] <penguin42> oops
[19:48] <penguin42> bug 862613
[19:48] <penguin42> third try - bug 862813
[19:49] <penguin42> there you go
[19:53] <Derg> I found what appears to be a partial work around attached to bug 860485. this bug was relating to lappies at first, but a few desktop users chimed in.
[19:56] <Derg> What does "Fix Committed" mean?
[20:00] <dean> will compiz ever stop crashing/reloading when I change a setting. It did this in 11.04. :(
[20:02] <vsync> Didn't do that with me in 11.04, now whenever i go dual-head, it crashes at least once
[20:04] <bjsnider> Derg, means that the fix is finished but the updated package has not been built and released yet
[20:05] <bjsnider> when that's done it will say fix released
[20:05] <Derg> aaah.. tyvm
[20:06] <Derg> well thanks for the advice. Good day to all.
[20:29] <Lynoure> I'm having a problem finding ldconfig: http://pastebin.com/sgQH4xST
[20:29] <Lynoure> Any ideas what I can do?
[20:33] <Arnold> Lynoure, can you check if 'libc6' package is working properly?
[20:34] <Arnold> Since for some reason, it says it wants to install it.
[20:34] <Arnold> Normally, it comes preinstalled by Ubuntu, especially at 11.10
[20:35] <ppd> hi there. I wonder if anybody is using the em28xx driver in oneiric. It recognizes my dvb-t stick and loads the appropriate firmware, but still I can't access dvb-t with any dvb related tools
[20:51] <mikedep333> hi, how do I report a bug in lp when someone else reported it, but their's was marked invalid because their packages weren't up-to-date?
[20:53] <jtaylor> you can mark it new again
[20:53] <mikedep333> here's his bug
[20:53] <mikedep333> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/854231
[20:53] <jtaylor> and comment that you reproduced it with up to date pacakges
[20:53] <mikedep333> ok, I don't need to resubmit my debug info or anything?
[20:53] <mikedep333> ok, thanks
[20:53] <jtaylor> hm well that would be helpful
[20:53] <jtaylor> but I'm not sure how you can do that :/
[20:54] <mikedep333> yeah, my thoughts exactly
[20:54] <jtaylor> I guess you could report a new one
[20:54] <jtaylor> its possible that it is a different issue, the crash is quite generic
[20:55] <mikedep333> jtaylor, true
[20:55] <mikedep333> I just reopened the old one
[22:01] <farciarz84> hi, is it possible to use two gpu (one built in CPU) and one external?
[22:01] <farciarz84> I'd like to connect 2 monitors per one GPU
[22:16] <D_Russ> hello everyone
[22:16] <thoeger> hi folks, am I the only one to have graphics issues after the latest update?
[22:17] <D_Russ> sorry ,thoeger im runnung 11.04
[22:18] <D_Russ> how do you like oneiric so far?
[22:18] <Arnold> thoeger, what kind of graphics issues? Also which driver do you use?
[22:19] <Arnold> I had a slight Unity wallpaper offset bug, running nvidia-current, but it was fixes as of today. Nothing else besides that for now.
[22:19] <thoeger> Arnold, Unity cannot open, let me see if I can find the error message...
[22:19] <thoeger> Arnold, no it's far worse; I'm running a combo of Unity-2d-launcher and panel and KWin right now, for lack of better.
[22:20] <Arnold> thoeger, which driver are you using for your graphics card?
[22:20] <thoeger> Intel onboard graphics chip, whatever's byuilt-in to X.org
[22:21] <Arnold> glxinfo | grep render
[22:21] <Arnold> Tell me what it gives.
[22:21] <Arnold> If software not available, then install 'mesa-utils'.
[22:23] <thoeger> Arnold, output says "direct rendering: Yes
[22:23] <thoeger> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Mobile Intel® GM45 Express Chipset x86/MMX/SSE2
[22:23] <thoeger>     GL_EXT_vertex_array_bgra, GL_NV_conditional_render,
[22:23] <thoeger> "
[22:24] <Arnold> Atleast that gives out the answer that it runs with 3D hardware acceleration as it should.
[22:24] <Arnold> But.. what session are you starting from the login manager?
[22:24] <thoeger> Yep, I can see that as I am running KWin and its 3d features run just fine
[22:24] <farciarz84> Arnold: what about this: Mesa DRI Intel(R) Sandybridge Desktop  GL_EXT_vertex_array_bgra, GL_NV_conditional_render,
[22:25] <farciarz84> lot of bugs still
[22:25] <thoeger> It looks like it may be a compiz issue, but I cannot really decipher Unity's error messages
[22:25] <thoeger> farciarz84, what does that mean?
[22:26] <farciarz84> bugs? It means random hungs, Artifacts, performance issues, window's decorations crashes
[22:26] <farciarz84> hangs*
[22:26] <Arnold> farciarz84, with Unity?
[22:27] <Arnold> I am not sure what are the 3D graphical capabilities of the Sandy Bridge integrated graphics yet.
[22:27] <thoeger> farciarz84, no, I mean that specific line you quoted
[22:27] <thoeger> Ah, sorry
[22:27] <farciarz84> thoeger: glxinfo | grep render
[22:28] <thoeger> farciarz84, nevermind...
[22:28] <thoeger> It looks like it's - at least partially - a Compiz issue, compiz gives me a segmentation fault.
[22:28] <farciarz84> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/863045
[22:29] <thoeger> here's my output when running compiz --replace: http://pastebin.com/Ck07WHjV
[22:31] <Arnold> thoeger, that seems familiar. Happened when I launched 'unity --replace' on tty1.
[22:32] <Arnold> Does this happens when you start from 'Ubuntu' session from LightDM?
[22:32] <thoeger> Arnold, yes. The problem came with today's (well, technically yesterdays where I am...) compiz update though. Ran fine until then.
[22:33] <Arnold> thoeger, did you had that Unity desktop wallpaper offset issue too? (Where the desktop wallpaper was starting from almost at the center)
[22:34] <Arnold> This is how it looked like: http://ubuntuone.com/2eiUsw0V2AacCl3bNmyCNm
[22:35] <thoeger> Arnold, if it was impossible to miss, thgen no.
[22:36] <Arnold> That was the effects of yesterday's update -unity (4.20.0-0ubuntu1)-
[22:36] <Arnold> Today's unity update bumped it to 4.20.0-0ubuntu2
[22:36] <thoeger> Ah, no that definitely didn't happen to me
[22:36] <thoeger> But seems clear there's some bugs introduced in Unity with that update huh?
[22:36] <thoeger> Found a workaroud yet?
[22:37] <Arnold> Which is your version of unity now?
[22:37] <Arnold> unity, as in the package.
[22:37] <siganderson> I can't succesfully burn ubuntu 11.10 dvd (it stops to 93/97%). I can succesfully burn any other dvd... is it normal?
[22:37] <Arnold> That today's bumped update -> Desktop drawn with offset -> fixed the above bug.
[22:38] <D_Russ> Arnold, there was an update today?
[22:38] <Arnold> D_Russ, for Unity, there was.
[22:39] <D_Russ> ohh i have to check that out. anything broken because of it?
[22:40] <Arnold> Just the offset issue, that got fixed as of today.
[22:40] <Arnold> So the latest version should be 4.20.0-0ubuntu2
[22:40] <D_Russ> how do i update unity?
[22:41] <phoenix_firebrd> Problem with dolphin, hangs when the view is changed to detail while trying to browse a large folder containing 7000 files
[22:41] <Arnold> "sudo apt-get update" and then "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[22:41] <Arnold> Latest unity installs one or two new packages, so it's best if you go the dist-upgrade way rather than just upgrade.
[22:42] <farciarz84> Arnold: I did what you wrote but no updates were found
[22:42] <farciarz84> I still have unity 4.16.0
[22:42] <D_Russ> so i should only do the sudo apt-get dist-upgrade?
[22:42] <farciarz84> D_Russ: no update before
[22:42] <Arnold> First, "sudo apt-get update" to refreshen the repository"
[22:43] <Arnold> farciarz84, the mirror you are using might be a bit too outdated.
[22:43] <D_Russ> i see
[22:43] <Arnold> Usually, Ubuntu picks one based from your country area.
[22:43] <itaylor57> D_Russ, I thought you were at 11.04
[22:43] <thoeger> Arnold, Version: 4.20.0-0ubuntu2
[22:43] <D_Russ> i am
[22:43] <farciarz84> Arnold: how to set recent mirror?
[22:43] <Arnold> thoeger, I guess you're up-to-date then.
[22:44] <D_Russ> itaylor57, i am on 11.04
[22:44] <itaylor57> D_Russ, the commands given here are for those on 11.10
[22:45] <Arnold> farciarz84, sudo software-proprieties-gtk
[22:45] <thoeger> D_Russ, yeah this channel deals with 11.10
[22:45] <D_Russ> ohh sorry, i am on the wrong tab. lol, i have #ubuntu open in another tab.
[22:45] <Arnold> Then on the Download From combo, you pick up Server for United States, or Main Server.
[22:45] <Arnold> Or Other...
[22:45] <D_Russ> so how do you guys like 11.1 vs 11.04?
[22:46] <D_Russ> will it be stable enough for an immediate switch over when it is released?
[22:46] <farciarz84> Arnold: I choose main server there...
[22:46] <farciarz84> right now
[22:47] <Arnold> farciarz84, after that, hit the reload button, or if it doesn't shows up, do a "sudo apt-get update" and then "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[22:47] <farciarz84> ok
[22:48] <farciarz84> 445 MB to download
[22:48] <farciarz84> :/
[22:48] <thoeger> Arnold, yeah I'm afraid I am. It is really annoyimg though.
[22:50] <Arnold> farciarz84, takes quite a lot if you're upgrading from an older release, like beta1 or beta2.
[22:50] <Arnold> Especially the part when you upgraded your system, a system restart is mandatory.
[22:50] <iceroot> newest firefox doesnt have the firefox icon in the left-upper-corner of the window anymore? or is my lxde broken?
[22:52] <iceroot> talking about firefox  7.0.1+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu1
[22:55] <iceroot> ah, just missing a restart of firefox. everything is fine now
[22:56] <farciarz84> Arnold: what kind of session can be set, before login beside Unity, Unidy2d, KDE...?
[22:56] <siganderson> I can't succesfully burn ubuntu 11.10 dvd (it stops to 93/97%). I can succesfully burn every other dvd... is it normal? (sorry for repeating it, but I'm curious)
[22:57] <Arnold> farciarz84, depends on which window/desktop managers you have installed.
[22:57] <iceroot> siganderson: did you md5 the iso?
[22:59] <farciarz84> Arnold: I meant what kind of managers for 11.10 are avaiable
[23:01] <jbicha> !desktops
[23:01] <siganderson> iceroot, yes of course
[23:01] <jbicha> also gnome-shell and gnome-panel
[23:01] <jbicha> lxde
[23:02] <Arnold> farciarz84, there's Unity, Unity2D, Openbox, LXDE, KDE, GNOME (Shell/Classical), XFCE, E17.
[23:04] <farciarz84> Arnold: does GNOME (Shell/Classical) can be 2.x branch?
[23:04] <Arnold> farciarz84, not in Oneiric 11.10. Everything is updated to version GNOME 3.0
[23:05] <Arnold> Well, it's awfully late here. Heading to bed for now.
[23:05] <Arnold> See you all tomorrow!
[23:06] <farciarz84> CU
[23:31] <g30> hi
[23:31] <g30> :)
[23:36] <graingert> empathy seems to put a notification icon on the panel
[23:37] <graingert> anyway to get rid of this and still whitelist all
[23:38] <jbicha> graingert: please mention what desktop you're using
[23:38] <TheSimkin> what is the equivilant of ctrl-alt-esc in GNOME?
[23:38] <TheSimkin> (i want to kill an app by clicking on it)
[23:39] <graingert> alt+F2 xkill
[23:41] <TheSimkin> how can i bind that to a key?
[23:45] <Lynoure> Does anyone use Miro?
[23:45] <Lynoure> If, does it show an error message in the beginning for you?
[23:45] <jbicha> TheSimkin: try System Settings>Keyboard>Shortcuts>Custom Shortcuts
[23:54] <graingert> jbicha: unity