[00:52] <philipballew> howdy all!
[00:58] <seidos> howdy
[01:00] <crash-partyhat> hello
[03:24] <akk> Is there a schedule for Oneiric somewhere, like when beta2 might be likely to be out? Likely to be much difference between today's build and one next Tuesday?
[03:25] <akk> Oh, NM, I guess it is out, it just wasn't showing up on the page I was looking at (they make those betas kinda hard to find).
[03:35] <seidos> no kidding
[03:35] <akk> Get a load of this: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/oneiric/beta-2/ has no x86 desktop CD images, only amd64
[03:36] <akk> but http://releases.ubuntu.com/11.10/ (which has the exact same title, Oneiric beta 2) does have x86 desktop CD
[03:36] <akk> both of them say that's the type of build most people will want, even the page that doesn't offer it in the most common architecture
[03:38] <akk> Actually the first one seems to be a Mac page (all the builds say Mac) though it doesn't say anything about macs in either the title or URL.
[03:58] <seidos> well, the only reason for me to install a different version now is for the newer kernels
[03:59] <seidos> i'll likely do an alternate install if i ever reinstall ubuntu, my notebook is about 3 years ago
[03:59] <seidos> lol
[03:59] <seidos> mustn't say the "o" word
[03:59] <akk> I've got a new laptop coming (my current one has a cracked screen -- tragedy!)
[04:00] <akk> so I thought I might try oneiric to see if the powersaving bug has improved any
[04:00] <seidos> this is the 2nd screen on this notebook >_<
[04:00] <akk> Also it gives me something to put on my whizzy multi-live-CD USB stick. :)
[04:01] <seidos> multi-live-cd usb stick?  that sounds interesting.
[04:01] <akk> The cheapest screen for mine was $180 on ebay, used and not perfect. It's a sony, so parts are hard to get.
[04:01] <seidos> ah, yeah.  mine was $100
[04:01] <seidos> i guess sony is like the bmw of notebooks
[04:02] <seidos> the metaphor is probably imperfect :P
[04:02] <akk> Something like that, anyway.
[04:03] <akk> Anyway, half the price of a new vaguely comparable machine (that I hope will fix a lot of the problems that old machine had, doubtless substituting new ones :)
[04:03] <akk> For the multi USB stick I followed http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1288604 -- it was super easy, worked like a charm.
[04:03] <seidos> what brand is the new one?
[04:03] <akk> The new one's a Dell.
[04:03] <seidos> probably not a bad choice
[04:03] <seidos> they are like the Ford of computers
[04:03] <seidos> or Honda
[04:03] <akk> I've never had one, but d's been happy with his Dell Mini 9.
[04:03] <seidos> hard to say, since parts come from over seas o_o
[04:04] <seidos> i saw an ad for a dell, i think it was in the paper
[04:04] <seidos> it looked like they were trying to make it look like a Mac
[04:04] <akk> And it looked like the best option from the 4-5 possible choices that met my criteria.
[04:04] <seidos> if i had money, i might've done that
[04:05] <seidos> the only other thing i might consider are gateway and lenovo
[04:05] <seidos> and lenovo is out, since i'm trying to help the u.s. economy, for the trickle down
[04:06] <akk> Lenovo was on my list, but it was 1.5x the price (for admittedly a much higher spec machine).
[04:08] <seidos> i'd be interested in hearing out it goes.  now i'd probably want to buy something used if something happened to this notebook
[04:08] <seidos> it's already hanging together, battery is dead, and ac adapter is soldered together
[04:09] <akk> My vaio was used from ebay, and it's served me well for 4 years (except it did have some scratches on the screen from the keyboard).
[04:09] <seidos> i had a vaio at an old job.  i liked it.
[04:09] <seidos> i think it was a p3 900mhz :)
[04:09] <seidos> 14"
[04:09] <akk> There are some good laptop deals on ebay -- though for this one, I got a much better deal at Dell's outlet (it's a refurb) than the used ones on ebay.
[04:10] <akk> I had a p3 700 10" vaio laptop before this Centrino 11" one.
[04:10] <akk> Sony makes nice hardware but they are quirky, and sometimes hard to repair/get parts for.
[04:11] <akk> Ironically, the Dell I bought also comes with Linux -- but only in certain configurations, not the ones I wanted, and not the cheap ones from the outlet.
[04:18] <seidos> i never had a problem with the 14" i had, but i didn't have it for very long
[04:19] <seidos> it was a compusa special, anything at the time was petter than the p1-200mhz
[04:19] <seidos> context is everything
[04:19] <akk> yep!
[04:20] <seidos> i'm still not satisfied with my configuration, i think what i want doesn't exist
[04:21] <akk> That's always true for me.
[04:21] <akk> I was really happy with the current Vaio's size, but nobody makes that any more.
[04:22] <seidos> i'm happy with the 13" size, but i should've got a tablet
[04:22] <akk> The tablet I want doesn't exist either. :)
[04:22] <seidos> it's kind of good that i didn't, because had i did, i would likely have had all kinds of problems
[04:23] <seidos> i saw some "tablets" being used on a samurai jack extras video
[04:23] <akk> This dell I'm getting has a touchscreen! It'll be interesting to see if I can make it work in Linux.
[04:23] <seidos> i think it was an external monitor or something though
[04:23] <seidos> and they looked expensive
[04:23] <seidos> good luck :)
[04:23] <akk> Thanks!
[06:56] <philipballew> kdub_,  you get stuck with mas again?
[16:32] <MarkDude> aaditya: pingy
[18:43] <jdeslip> Is there a way to contact a launchpad user if they didn't provide an email address?
[19:05] <seidos> jdeslip: any luck?
[19:06] <seidos> hello makushimu
[19:29] <makushimu> hello seidos!
[20:00] <aaditya> MarkDude: pong
[20:07] <MarkDude> Hey there aaditya how are things going with you?
[20:08]  * MarkDude wants to maybe meet up with you next week, and see about organizing search for permanent location for GK
[20:22] <aaditya> MarkDude: things are going well.
[20:22] <aaditya> I'll PM.
[20:52] <philipballew> just got a desktop, monitor, router, and 5 usb wireless adapters for 50 bucks!
[20:57] <MarkDude> Sounds like a deal philipballew
[20:57] <seidos> i wouldn't know what to do with them.  i have two desktops sitting under the kitchen table collecting dust
[20:59] <seidos> what i really need are books.  i'm going to check out the west hollywood library
[21:00] <philipballew> seidos, yeah, my desktop mobo craped out on me, so this guy from the rich part of sd was trying to get rid of them
[21:00] <philipballew> what kind of books
[21:01] <seidos> a decent anatomy physiology book would probably be good
[21:01] <seidos> electrical engineering, mechanical engineering
[21:01] <seidos> unfortunately, i suspect i'll have to go to a college library to get these
[21:01] <seidos> i was thinking schematics would be awesome, but i doubt i have the tools to really build anything
[21:02] <seidos> i should probably stick to biology, really
[21:02] <MarkDude> seidos: what about visualizing find a garage sale that has some cool books at it, it could happen
[21:03] <philipballew> if you come here seidos we have all that stuff
[21:03] <philipballew> but 100 miles is kinda far
[21:04] <seidos> the bigger problem is food and shelter philipballew :)
[21:04] <seidos> MarkDude: so could winning the lottery :)
[21:05] <seidos> still haven't got that cumberbun for this year's SCaLE either :P
[21:05] <seidos> not sure where i'm going to find that
[21:05] <philipballew> well i have meals you can have and a floor :)
[21:06] <seidos> philipballew: i'll take this into consideration :)
[21:07] <seidos> i don't have a sleeping bag, so a floor may not be sufficient.  100mi would take 10+ hours on a bike o_o
[21:08] <MarkDude> Well I have actually visualized stuff like finding a book.
[21:08] <MarkDude> And had it happen, we are nottalking world peace
[21:09] <MarkDude> cumberbun? Epic
[21:09] <seidos> tell us how it happened MarkDude.  i'd like to hear the story
[21:10]  * MarkDude remembers being bored a few years ago - while living in Santa Cruz
[21:10] <MarkDude> Wanted to read, imagined it being so
[21:11] <MarkDude> Hoped on my bike, and rode araound randomly
[21:11] <MarkDude> found some books at a sale that was ending, they were free
[21:12] <seidos> ah, interesting
[21:13] <seidos> i'm not really bored.  i might be able to read the books i want at the santa monica college library
[21:13] <seidos> i'll have to go there
[21:13] <MarkDude> I mean it was a weekend, during the day, I dont think is as likely to happen- in Alaska in winter on tuesday
[21:14] <crashsystems> hello world
[21:14] <seidos> did the world respond?
[21:15] <crashsystems> not really. the ping timed out
[21:15] <seidos> T_T
[21:16] <seidos> http://abstrusegoose.com/134
[21:16] <crashsystems> People I've known that are younger than me are having children, which makes me feel old. I should't log into Facebook. o_O
[21:17] <seidos> here's what you do
[21:17] <seidos> you stand up
[21:17] <seidos> and spin around several times
[21:18] <seidos> you should feel younger afterwards
[21:18] <crashsystems> yeah, that would bring back memories...
[21:18] <seidos> reveries, they can make you feel younger or older i suspect
[21:19] <seidos> ah, right, i think if one just remembers without reliving it, then they'll feel old
[21:20] <seidos> i think i'm getting younger though.  just the other day i think i turned 15
[21:20] <seidos> thankfully i'm a mature 15
[21:20] <MarkDude> Hmmm
[21:20]  * MarkDude is hoping to be 15 one day
[21:20] <MarkDude> I have to reach it before I can return
[21:21] <seidos> i listen to Nirvana now, and it's okay that i'm so horny, because my will is good
[21:21] <MarkDude> Just dont get a heroin habit, and avoid talking to Courtney Love
[21:22] <seidos> if i can manage not to get fibromyalgia or whatever he had i should be okay
[21:24] <crashsystems> anyone know when the next mountain view meet up is?
[22:37] <seidos> crashsystems: should be on the website somewhere.  did you already check?
[22:38] <crashsystems> nope
[22:38]  * crashsystems checks
[22:40] <seidos> i'm investigating html5 stuff, i just disabled flash in mozilla o_o
[22:40] <seidos> so apparently h.264 is evil
[22:41] <MarkDude> yep , h254 kicks puppies
[22:41] <crashsystems> I want to play around with using the html5 audio tag as an xss injection
[22:42] <seidos> maybe i do too, i have no idea what an xss is
[22:43] <crashsystems> cross site scripting.
[22:43] <crashsystems> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Cross-site_Scripting_(XSS)
[22:43] <seidos> crashsystems: did you find the list of ubuntu hours?
[22:44] <crashsystems> nope
[22:44] <seidos> it's kind of funky:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/UbuntuHours
[22:44] <seidos> i had to click "projects" to get to it, not "meetings"
[22:44] <crashsystems> I just had the idea to google it instead of trying to navigate there
[22:45] <seidos> that's kind of slow for me right now :(
[22:45] <seidos> i'm torrenting and using mozilla (abrowser in trisquel)
[22:47] <crashsystems> if I could get Firefox's tab groups in Chrome, I could die a happy man.
[22:48] <seidos> when was the tab group added?  in ff7?
[22:48] <seidos> lol, reminds me of "final fantasy 7"
[22:48] <crashsystems> ff4
[22:48] <seidos> cloud and his big @#& sword
[22:48] <seidos> hmmm, i wonder if abrowser has it.
[22:48] <seidos> i should just install the newest firefox and be done with it
[22:49] <crashsystems> I use Chrome at home, but I couldn't live without Firefox at work
[22:51] <seidos> i stopped using chrome about a week ago
[22:51] <seidos> it's been teaching me to be patient
[22:52] <crashsystems> lol
[22:57] <akk> I just wish they hadn't taken away small tabs when they added tab groups.
[22:57] <akk> I haven't figured out how to use tab groups, and meanwhile without minimum tab size it'll only show a small number of tabs at once.
[23:06] <seidos> i've just been using "app tabs"
[23:08] <crashsystems> yeah, app tabs do save some space, but still does not solve the kinds of problems I have when I have 80 tabs open
[23:09] <seidos> i don't have that many tabs open anymore, maybe 20 at a time
[23:09] <seidos> 10 app tabs, and 6 other
[23:10] <akk> Firefox 6 won't show any more than 10 tabs at once. :(
[23:10] <crashsystems> I often have at least 45 open at work. Fewer at home, but still a decent number
[23:10] <akk> Make that 9, not even 10.
[23:11] <MarkDude> Ubuntu does not allow easy search for stuff using its wiki
[23:12] <akk> I always do general google searches (with ubuntu as one of the keywords) and end up with lots of ubuntu wiki pages.
[23:12] <MarkDude> Waaaaaaaaaaaay better than Fedoras tho. that NEVER works. Everyso often you can find stuff on Ubuntu
[23:12] <akk> or forum, maybe not wiki so much
[23:12] <seidos> someone just recommended epiphany
[23:12] <seidos> i'm going to try it out
[23:12] <akk> MarkDude! I've had EIGHT berries fall in the last couple weeks! :)
[23:12] <seidos> i guess it uses webkit?
[23:13] <MarkDude> Good deal akk
[23:13] <crashsystems> doesn't just about everything use webkit, other than firefox? (IE / Opera don't count :D)
[23:13] <akk> right, everything but firefox and opera
[23:14] <akk> and a few weirdo outliers like dillo
[23:14] <MarkDude> I was talking to friend - told her she will be on shortlist of folks able to try the berries in some salsa
[23:14] <akk> and lynx/links/w3m :)
[23:14] <akk> You can also write your own webkit browser in a page or two of python. :)
[23:15] <akk> (okay, so it would take a little more than that if you want bookmarks and good tab handling)
[23:54] <MarkDude> Or much more in my case ;)
[23:57] <seidos> that would be interesting, to look at a page or 2 of python code
[23:57] <seidos> firefox isn't a page or 2, and i suspect epiphany isn't either
[23:57] <akk> Install python-webkit, then read /usr/share/doc/python-webkit/examples/browser.py
[23:57] <seidos> can it be done with perl :D
[23:57] <seidos> i'll check if there's a perl webkit
[23:57] <akk> which is 455 lines, so more like 10 pages, but still
[23:57] <crashsystems> ugh, perl
[23:57] <akk> I'm fairly sure there's a perl webkit too.