[00:32] how's it going everyone? [00:35] good, u? [00:36] intresting [00:36] typing at 70MPH, bumping all over the car on indiania interstate [00:37] a challenge compared to the last trip (better shocks in a van, better roads to arkansas) [00:37] living dangerously aye [00:37] binarymutant: didn't say I was driving too, lol [00:37] ah, thought it was implied lol [00:38] well not so dangerous then :D [00:38] no, I'll drive the way back I bet, but not type & drive [00:38] me & my folks, so plenty of driving & sleeping 7 typing for all [00:39] kings island? [00:39] wait thats ohio not indiana [00:39] just typing is the second hardest (driving to chicago, it'll be intresting) [00:40] big city [00:41] yep, mass transit and suburbs thank goodness [00:41] but gotta pick up my brother at O'Hare, and drive through chicago to get to the suburbs [00:43] then on monday 7 tuesday I'll be back in your area binarymutant [00:43] after that, my own place [00:43] short trip compared to the usual [00:43] wow that's a crazy quick trip [00:44] yeah, if I had more then green dust in my wallet, i'd buy an amtrak ticket to Erie, PA, Buffalo, NY Rochester, NY [00:44] then fly back [00:45] maybe spend a loonie or two in ontario [00:45] make it a week or two trip [00:45] isn't that like a 20 hour drive? [00:46] (the joke is, part of the short trip is trying to get this job, then I'll have money, but no time) [00:46] binarymutant: to chicago [00:46] ? [00:46] ya [00:47] your door, to chicago, and back at your door is 20 hours, prior to any delays (suchh as the tolls, rush hour, and stops for food 7 gas) [00:47] one way is 10 [00:47] but that's unrealistic [00:48] that's good stamina, I couldn't do it [00:48] ((I think I'm going to fly to N.Carolina lol)) [00:48] I did 24 hours once, split in half, but I didn't stop much [00:49] binarymutant: where to NC [00:49] Raleigh [00:49] * cyberanger points out US 129 & 10 minutes your in NC [00:49] yeah I know [00:49] <- lazy :D [00:49] binarymutant: ah, that's more reasonable for a flight [00:49] other side of charolette, I'd see doing that [00:50] it's only like a 6 hour drive, but idk I hate driving [00:50] drove to atlanta once and vowed I'd never drive that far again :D [00:51] binarymutant: your not on the interstate there, asheville is more like 4 hours from there [00:51] shorter on maps, but again, you do stop for fuel [00:51] toss in 2 hours to charolette, same logic [00:52] maybe an hour the rest of the way (I can't comment on that last leg, not having done it) [00:52] but I think it's closer to 8 hours when you actuallly do it [00:52] unless you go by a truckers routine [00:53] that's too long [00:53] to drive [00:53] count your petrol to a drop, food in the truck, not in the store, that'd shave off some of that [00:54] * cyberanger does that one, leaves some for issues, but I count to a drop and limit my stops [00:55] * binarymutant refuses to drive anywhere [00:58] * cyberanger wonders if that goes for sitting as a passenger [00:59] planes > trains > automobiles [01:01] binarymutant: automobiles > buses [01:01] yes [01:01] no buses [01:02] well local bus is fine (like KAT) [01:02] no greyhound [01:04] well, I might have an opinion on local here & there, dunno cat (as a rider) to comment [01:05] knoxville's bus, it's pretty decent [01:05] I have nothing to compare it to though :/ [01:05] greyhound is useful, sometimes beats amtrak, sometimes amtrak beats greyhound [01:06] urgh idk [01:06] both are a mess, planes are their own, TSA, Delta, ATL, oh boy [01:06] it's a ton of give & take to sort them all [01:07] it's easy to get used to [01:07] you get pat down, then treated very well after that with planes [01:08] KAT is good I hear, just not ridden it, I've got DART (dallas) EMTA (Erie, PA) CARTA (Chattanooga) [01:08] binarymutant: yeah, with airports, it's never anything in the air, it's on the ground [01:08] brb [01:09] local transit in Rochester, NY is the one awkard one, due to route layouts, didn't like that [01:15] was it subway? [01:15] NY I always think subway [01:16] no, bus based [01:16] ah [01:16] not a tram, skytrain, subway, tube "the el" [01:16] well it's probably huge compared to Knoxville [01:17] or many names for the tracks [01:17] Knoxville doesn't even cover all of knoxville, very few routes [01:17] looking at KaT's maps to the rochester one, it hard to say [01:18] well, rochester covers downtown, then it's spoke on a wheel [01:18] ? spoke on a wheel ? [01:18] bicycle? [01:19] yeah, look at a bycycle wheel, imagine everything transfers downtown [01:19] so to go from RIT to the airport (same end of town) [01:19] you tack on an hour (maybe an hour is too much, but fair for the 5 minute taxi drive, vs a bus it is somewhere near that bad) [01:20] amtrak was 2 hours late, got to springfeild, MA 4 hours late [01:20] but trains are just fun to be on :D [01:20] another hard time with rochester transit ^^ [01:21] binarymutant: true, but if you want to rival buses & planes, not cool [01:21] rochester to toronto used to be 3 hours by ferry [01:21] ah I've never been on a ferry before [01:21] that would be fun too [01:21] now it's 5 hours by car, should be nearly that by train, and bus is about that [01:22] but trains having that issue, and once a day too (once out, once in) [01:22] true [01:22] I guess I rate it based on the 'fun' factor instead of the efficient factor [01:22] flights there take longer for security, customs (which isn't much to canada) [01:23] oh, and there is nothing wrong with that ( I said I'd like to take the lake shore limited from chicago to rochester (with two stops) so I get that) [01:24] lake shore limited? [01:24] amtrak line [01:24] ah [01:25] but even when the airlines are taxed worse than tobacco & booze (and gas) [01:25] the view is worth it :D [01:25] the trains and buses can't fix their issues and become viable on an economical level [01:26] granted, we subsidize air travel way too much, and buses have an indirect subsidy of no track usage fees or other means to repair tracks [01:27] (or in the buses case, roads) [01:27] their tickets match amtrak, with less fees [01:27] i can see tourist wanting a view, i can't see the businessman from chicago to nyc doing that [01:28] true [01:28] when amtrak could currently beat airfare in quality, first class being worth something on rail [01:28] for a lot less [01:29] and with security lines & such accounted for (and being closer to downtown on a train then bus) [01:29] it'd be a time competitor [01:30] I want trains brought back to the large scale they were, triple mass transit programs with it [01:30] that would be fun [01:30] not ditch the car, but in a sense, render it a luxury than a necessity for most americans [01:30] yes like every where else in the world [01:31] if we did that, I guantree a ticket from chicago to seattle would be a hundred to a hundred fifty [01:31] mass transit rules [01:32] compared to acutally being worse than airfare at 500 something [01:32] the only problem with trains is that any house a few miles near the tracks lose value :/ [01:33] vs just under 500 for airfare, and a much much shorter trip [01:33] and small cities probably wouldn't have access to them [01:34] stoopid connection [01:37] I think that can change [01:38] the connection getting lost randomly? Or realistate value? [01:38] the value deal is seen as bad here now, if you mix local, interurban & freight on the same lines efficently [01:38] it'll be seen as a booster [01:38] and perception of rail as an issue is less so than an airport [01:39] that's true, planes are very loud [01:39] noise, pollution issues [01:39] but still no one wants to live next to a train track [01:39] unless those bullet trains are quiet [01:40] esp the maglev [01:44] binarymutant: if it's new track, most designated no freight,they are much quieter than amtrak [01:45] you should see DART and the el [01:45] they aren't that loud [01:45] that's cool [01:45] never seen the new trains [01:45] and actually, they're noiser than a maglev [01:46] is maglev the bullet train? [01:46] a step up [01:46] ah cool [01:46] magnetic levetation, no friction on the tracks [01:47] we need that on roads :D [01:47] whearas a bullet is more like a ferrei sports car, aerodynamics meant for the spee, with an engine to get it that fast [01:47] ah [01:48] that's summing up a bullet too much, but that is a general measurement between the two [01:48] and with more freight on tracks, less road wreaks [01:49] less gas spent on smaller shipments [01:50] very true [01:50] and that'll shift the value issues some, get too close and there is a foundation concern, noise & vibration, just like airports [01:51] but that applies for interstates, airports, every mode of transit really [01:51] the hard pard is airports buy so much more land around them, that it's less of an issue [01:52] for the amount of traffic, few people close enough to notice, too many see the travel outweighing the concerns [01:53] for trains, the concerns are smaller, while it would affect more people, it would affect more in good ways too [01:54] it'd be hard to give up driving for me, but I could easily trade it for an effective, cheape, privacy enhanced method [01:56] me too. It's a shame there arent any passenger trains around me [01:58] 500 channels and nothing on :/ [02:25] Miguel de Icaza needs to get over the linux on the desktop idea, it's annoying. 'Only 10 great apps' come on, he probably is only counting mono apps [02:31] binarymutant: didn't think irc was that small [02:32] ? [02:32] cyberanger: what do you mean? [02:33] 500 channels and nothing on :-/ [02:33] ;-) [02:33] lol [02:42] I decided to catch up on drwho [02:42] since nothing else was on [02:42] while browsing the Planets [02:50] fsf directory is back, they should realize that freshmeat/sourceforge/lgdb/etc. are sooo much better [02:50] http://directory.fsf.org [02:56] github [02:56] launchpad's bzr, yep [02:57] freshmeat includes pics [02:57] don't need many pictures for a router [02:58] games and other stuff though [02:58] (my project is an expermental router, only exp with all that0 [02:58] finally the bumping is done, still can't type on the netbook [02:58] used to a fuller keypad [02:59] so it's a base linux system with iptables? [03:03] yep [03:05] bind9, dhcpd, squid [03:05] tweaks for sneakernet approaches [03:05] that's cool [03:05] I need a project [03:06] yeah, developing world & disaster relief focus [03:07] and if you need one, perhaps ubottutn will forgive you [03:07] :P [03:10] * cyberanger couldn't resist [03:11] * cyberanger imagines the bot returning and saying " binarymutant: I said I needed a nap, but wow, how long are your naps" [03:13] it's dead in it's repo like most other software lol [03:13] binarymutant: yeah, sad thing is, my project is well behind what I expected [03:14] something about unexpected time issues & cash flow problems (I.E. broke & looking for work) slows it down [03:15] the joke is soon going to be having that issue resolved, and no time to work on this while working [03:15] projects are nice, but I think I'll keep to weekend projects for awhile (and finish this slowly, but from now on, careful what I ask for) [03:17] just find a way to automate it :D [03:18] automate which one ;-) [03:19] the router [03:23] but that's no fun [03:23] (well, simplifing the router for users yes, taking the development from me, no) [03:55] binarymutant: you don't have any projects [03:55] not even a simple try a new distro [04:06] That's a lot of scrollup [04:10] Unit193: lol [04:11] I didn't read it all, that's just a bit long for that [04:11] binarymutant: think that train bit is worthy a blog postt [04:11] cyberanger: /wi PerfM [04:16] cyberanger: no project :/ [04:16] cyberanger: and maybe :D [04:18] binarymutant: well, think I'm going to rewrite it into one [04:19] when I get a chance (which means, who knows) [04:19] :D [04:28] I'll say this, public transportation beats parking in chattanooga [04:29] I park and ride for trips I can plan that in (most) [04:29] if it's not outskirts anyways [04:29] cheaper too [04:31] oh dear, curse my curousity & google, this looks like a cool long term project [04:31] https://www.cgran.org/wiki/gr-air-modes [04:33] that's pretty cool, plane tracker [04:33] only one module of Gnu Radio, but yeah [04:34] actually it's more akin to secondary radar than a tracker [04:35] okay, wtf is going on here? Youtube leaves nasty artifacts all over my root window. Vimeo doesnt [04:36] hulu leaves artifacts too [04:37] binarymutant: full screen for either [04:38] either [04:38] small screen [04:38] vimeo just blew my mind [04:39] hrm [04:39] html5 video I guess [04:40] what's another html5 site? [04:40] yeah, and your UA play a role? [04:40] pandora is now [04:41] ua? [04:42] user agent [04:42] omg flash is horrid, I want html5 on youtube [04:42] cyberanger: no it doesn't [04:42] cause you did tweak it [04:42] html5 video works amazing and flash sucks [04:42] thinking maybe you got presented something different for it [04:42] yep, that sounds right [04:43] Pandora still uses flash [04:44] the only thing adobe has yet to code is a vacum, becuase coding a vacum that sucks isn't a challenge [04:44] Unit193: what browser? [04:44] binarymutant: http://www.youtube.com/html5 [04:44] they have html5 if your browser supports it (which is decided by the User agent string) [04:45] cyberanger: I have FF9 now [04:45] Unit193: that doesn't cover every video unfortunately [04:45] Unit193: tried chrome and pandora? [04:45] Chromium or Chome? [04:45] And no [04:47] cyberanger: The youtube one still will catch some and Pandora isn't *fully* html5, just mostly [04:48] Unit193: in this context, not sure it matters [04:52] gah I can't trick youtube into html5 [04:54] http://youtube.com/html5 fails no matter what user agent I use [05:00] js and ua checking makes me smoke brb [05:02] lol, dirty trick there [05:03] interrogating the browser via javascript [05:06] ya [05:06] it's making me mad [05:07] mad enough to send a "fist-shaking" email to youtube with the subject line "My browser works!" [05:07] I need to find a video that uses it >.< [05:08] youtube.com/html5 || vimeo.com || html5video.org [05:09] Yes, need to find a YouTube video that has it enabled [05:09] (Signed up already) [05:09] are they all not html5? [05:10] This is a good one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYV-qYeWPkk [05:10] it's flash for me :/ [05:10] binarymutant: no, hence the javascript check [05:11] it's browser codec dependant [05:11] monty python is hilarious (old though) [05:11] I don't care that it's old, it's great [05:12] Lineham is the present! [05:14] ...not IT Crowd fans? [05:15] Not really [05:15] :( [05:16] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrzMhU_4m-g I'll stop after this, but they are so good [05:16] binarymutant: a fan [05:16] but don't follow like I did [05:17] Graham Lineham is awesome (creator) [05:17] I can't watch those youtube clips :( [05:18] and I can't take a screenshot of the messed up flash artifacts :/ [05:20] It's less than 60F in here [05:20] whoa. [05:21] cold [05:21] Just under, not much [05:21] too cold [05:23] youtube-dl is my only hope [05:26] 'she's a witch!' [05:27] binarymutant: that's a good scene [05:28] now go away or I will taunt you a second time [05:28] lols [05:33] now google reader is saying i'm unsupported. Maybe i'm using the wrong safari user-agent [05:34] binarymutant: or just an old or incorrect one [05:35] if it isn't new & right, it'll fail [05:36] Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1) AppleWebKit/535.2 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/15.0.872.0 Safari/535.2 [05:36] still failed [05:37] prolly the js is what's making it fail [05:37] binarymutant: windows, javascript will say linux [05:38] so if they error check with the other, that'll do it too [05:38] hmm. [05:38] Mine Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:9.0a2) Gecko/20110929 Firefox/9.0a2 [05:40] ^^ failed too [05:40] :( oh well [05:40] What page are you looking at? The html5 page says I'm compatible [05:40] youtube.com/html5 [05:43] http://tinypic.com/m/f1mlo9/2 [05:47] http://i56.tinypic.com/2duys0n.png [05:49] that is so weird [05:50] oh well, I'll just download youtube vids [05:50] I still need to find them on there though :P [05:51] does flash work right for you ? [05:52] what version? [05:52] <- 10.3.183 [05:52] 10.3.183.10 [05:53] :/ gah I might just have to ditch webkit-gtk [05:54] firefox is 77.4Mb though [05:58] Remember, I'm not running normal so it might be a tad different [06:00] what are you using? [06:03] 7 just came out and I just got upgraded to 9 [06:05] firefox 9? [06:05] that's pretty cool [06:15] Catching up on overloaded RSS feeds :P [06:23] No, couldn't be! http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2011/09/29/ok-lets-see-what-this-doctor-who-hullabaloo-is-all-about-comics/ [06:24] lol [06:24] Odd name, but great site [06:24] And the coldness is hitting my fingers [06:25] I used to follow geeksaresexy too, but I thought kotaku was a better replacement [06:26] Hmmm... I'll google, but I like the amount they put out, too much will drive me crazy [06:27] And I'll assume you've seen http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2011/09/30/tick-tock-goes-the-clock-doctor-who-finale-tomorrow/ [06:27] ah spoilers [06:28] Heh, yep. Hate those (But I'll admit, I watched it for once) [06:30] it's funny that in the comic strip above ^^ he's watching it on his pc [06:31] No keyboard/mouse, maybe he sits really close to the TV ;) [06:31] There are other ways to watch it? [06:32] bbc america [06:32] I think I watched season 4 on tv [06:32] * Unit193 does at times wish he had cable [06:32] nah it's a waste [06:33] For the most part, oh yes [06:39] it's a waste of perfectly good coax [06:39] :D lol [06:40] if i want lots and lots of junk coming into my home, it'll be on fibre optic cable [06:40] there's plenty of extra bandwidth there [06:41] 70$ in Cali [06:41] * cyberanger can't find the fibre line, goes back to his book [06:41] * Unit193 wonders if the internet there is less costly [06:42] 70$ fiber optic, uh yeah 'less costly' bc that's what I pay for 2mb cable [06:42] it seems to be cheaper here in chicago [06:43] more competition the better [06:43] "There" is where cyberanger lives [06:43] :/ heh sry [06:44] not to metion the datacenters and financial sector demanding it [06:44] too bad amazon doesn't demand it for Cleveland [06:44] Unit193: no, just in town for the weekend, have ties up here, and when job hunting [06:45] binarymutant: even worse, that plant isn't really in cleveland [06:45] it's in charelston [06:45] nc? [06:45] tn [06:45] ah neverheard [06:46] well they should bring good internet to TN is all i'm saying [06:46] so even if they demand it, they will drag that cable from chattanooga benifiting few in cleveland, past cleveland for 15 miles to charelston [06:46] they don't pay tax after all [06:46] I think amazon will soon though [06:47] actually, I think the deal was merely customers sales tax [06:47] idk, they said they would move before paying tax. ( I don't have a problem with it, just want good net in tn ) [06:47] and cleveland & charleston are trying to annex their way to amazon [06:48] lol @ toilet motorcycle [06:49] 2 < cyberanger> it seems to be cheaper here in chicago [06:49] 02:43 < binarymutant> more competition the better [06:49] gah [06:50] http://boingboing.net/2011/09/30/motorized-tricycle-that-runs-on-human-poo.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+boingboing%2FiBag+%28Boing+Boing%29 {there} [06:50] binarymutant: yeah, trying to do my homework on where to place a server or two, and researching things [06:50] and it does, unfortunate for us [06:51] cloud is pretty cheap [06:51] (so I've heard) [06:52] except it's not colocated [06:52] I own the server [06:52] Japan, who would have guessed? And looks like you should be nude in public [06:55] they're very open over there :P [06:55] cyberanger: I don't think it really matters where you put your server, unless your getting a million hits a second [06:56] binarymutant: or high bandwidth and cap issues [06:56] distrubiting isos [06:57] caps? oh ya [06:57] well, charter has a cap [06:58] so does everyone now [06:58] buy business tier [06:58] read the acceptable use policy, it;s one I break [06:58] 250 gb business [06:58] and bandwidth [06:58] holding a tb in the mirror easily [06:59] plus distributing swissknife router (when it's finally done) [06:59] it's going to have to be a dc job [07:00] these businesses always hide their caps in the hardest spots to find.... [07:01] uh wtf 8. NO “HACKING" [07:01] on Charter tos [07:01] [..] packet sniffers or network probing tools.[...] [07:03] urrgh cant read TOS anymore [07:06] binarymutant: yeah, an odd one that thethey are vauge on ( but legit ethical use i've done they ignore) [07:11] that was from their commercial tos, saying don't use nmap, and don't let anyone. How are is the admin's supposed to work?? [07:15] by discreetly disobeying that [08:57] 18:49 < cyberanger> Unit193: have you not heard of networked audio? |||| Using PulseAudio? [09:21] Unit193: reminding me of something I said, or.... [09:21] cyberanger: Reminding and asking [09:22]