[00:32] <cyberanger> how's it going everyone?
[00:35] <binarymutant> good, u?
[00:36] <cyberanger> intresting
[00:36] <cyberanger> typing at 70MPH, bumping all over the car on indiania interstate
[00:37] <cyberanger> a challenge compared to the last trip (better shocks in a van, better roads to arkansas)
[00:37] <binarymutant> living dangerously aye
[00:37] <cyberanger> binarymutant: didn't say I was driving too, lol
[00:37] <binarymutant> ah, thought it was implied lol
[00:38] <binarymutant> well not so dangerous then :D
[00:38] <cyberanger> no, I'll drive the way back I bet, but not type & drive
[00:38] <cyberanger> me & my folks, so plenty of driving & sleeping 7 typing for all
[00:39] <binarymutant> kings island?
[00:39] <binarymutant> wait thats ohio not indiana
[00:39] <cyberanger> just typing is the second hardest (driving to chicago, it'll be intresting)
[00:40] <binarymutant> big city
[00:41] <cyberanger> yep, mass transit and suburbs thank goodness
[00:41] <cyberanger> but gotta pick up my brother at O'Hare, and drive through chicago to get to the suburbs
[00:43] <cyberanger> then on monday 7 tuesday I'll be back in your area binarymutant
[00:43] <cyberanger> after that, my own place
[00:43] <cyberanger> short trip compared to the usual
[00:43] <binarymutant> wow that's a crazy quick trip
[00:44] <cyberanger> yeah, if I had more then green dust in my wallet, i'd buy an amtrak ticket to Erie, PA, Buffalo, NY Rochester, NY
[00:44] <cyberanger> then fly back
[00:45] <cyberanger> maybe spend a loonie or two in ontario
[00:45] <cyberanger> make it a week or two trip
[00:45] <binarymutant> isn't that like a 20 hour drive?
[00:46] <cyberanger> (the joke is, part of the short trip is trying to get this job, then I'll have money, but no time)
[00:46] <cyberanger> binarymutant: to chicago
[00:46] <cyberanger> ?
[00:46] <binarymutant> ya
[00:47] <cyberanger> your door, to chicago, and back at your door is 20 hours, prior to any delays (suchh as the tolls, rush hour, and stops for food 7 gas)
[00:47] <cyberanger> one way is 10
[00:47] <cyberanger> but that's unrealistic
[00:48] <binarymutant> that's good stamina, I couldn't do it
[00:48] <binarymutant> ((I think I'm going to fly to N.Carolina lol))
[00:48] <cyberanger> I did 24 hours once, split in half, but I didn't stop much
[00:49] <cyberanger> binarymutant: where to NC
[00:49] <binarymutant> Raleigh
[00:49]  * cyberanger points out US 129 & 10 minutes your in NC
[00:49] <binarymutant> yeah I know
[00:49] <binarymutant> <- lazy :D
[00:49] <cyberanger> binarymutant: ah, that's more reasonable for a flight
[00:49] <cyberanger> other side of charolette, I'd see doing that
[00:50] <binarymutant> it's only like a 6 hour drive, but idk I hate driving
[00:50] <binarymutant> drove to atlanta once and vowed I'd never drive that far again :D
[00:51] <cyberanger> binarymutant: your not on the interstate there, asheville is more like 4 hours from there
[00:51] <cyberanger> shorter on maps, but again, you do stop for fuel
[00:51] <cyberanger> toss in 2 hours to charolette, same logic
[00:52] <cyberanger> maybe an hour the rest of the way (I can't comment on that last leg, not having done it)
[00:52] <cyberanger> but I think it's closer to 8 hours when you actuallly do it
[00:52] <cyberanger> unless you go by a truckers routine
[00:53] <binarymutant> that's too long
[00:53] <binarymutant> to drive
[00:53] <cyberanger> count your petrol to a drop, food in the truck, not in the store, that'd shave off some of that
[00:54]  * cyberanger does that one, leaves some for issues, but I count to a drop and limit my stops
[00:55]  * binarymutant refuses to drive anywhere
[00:58]  * cyberanger wonders if that goes for sitting as a passenger
[00:59] <binarymutant> planes > trains > automobiles
[01:01] <cyberanger> binarymutant: automobiles > buses
[01:01] <binarymutant> yes
[01:01] <binarymutant> no buses
[01:02] <binarymutant> well local bus is fine (like KAT)
[01:02] <binarymutant> no greyhound
[01:04] <cyberanger> well, I might have an opinion on local here & there, dunno cat (as a rider) to comment
[01:05] <binarymutant> knoxville's bus, it's pretty decent
[01:05] <binarymutant> I have nothing to compare it to though :/
[01:05] <cyberanger> greyhound is useful, sometimes beats amtrak, sometimes amtrak beats greyhound
[01:06] <binarymutant> urgh idk
[01:06] <cyberanger> both are a mess, planes are their own, TSA, Delta, ATL, oh boy
[01:06] <cyberanger> it's a ton of give & take to sort them all
[01:07] <binarymutant> it's easy to get used to
[01:07] <binarymutant> you get pat down, then treated very well after that with planes
[01:08] <cyberanger> KAT is good I hear, just not ridden it, I've got DART (dallas) EMTA (Erie, PA) CARTA (Chattanooga)
[01:08] <cyberanger> binarymutant: yeah, with airports, it's never anything in the air, it's on the ground
[01:08] <binarymutant> brb
[01:09] <cyberanger> local transit in Rochester, NY is the one awkard one, due to route layouts, didn't like that
[01:15] <binarymutant> was it subway?
[01:15] <binarymutant> NY I always think subway
[01:16] <cyberanger> no, bus based
[01:16] <binarymutant> ah
[01:16] <cyberanger> not a tram, skytrain, subway, tube "the el"
[01:16] <binarymutant> well it's probably huge compared to Knoxville
[01:17] <cyberanger> or many names for the tracks
[01:17] <binarymutant> Knoxville doesn't even cover all of knoxville, very few routes
[01:17] <cyberanger> looking at KaT's maps to the rochester one, it hard to say
[01:18] <cyberanger> well, rochester covers downtown, then it's spoke on a wheel
[01:18] <binarymutant> ? spoke on a wheel ?
[01:18] <binarymutant> bicycle?
[01:19] <cyberanger> yeah, look at a bycycle wheel, imagine everything transfers downtown
[01:19] <cyberanger> so to go from RIT to the airport (same end of town)
[01:19] <cyberanger> you tack on an hour (maybe an hour is too much, but fair for the 5 minute taxi drive, vs a bus it is somewhere near that bad)
[01:20] <cyberanger> amtrak was 2 hours late, got to springfeild, MA 4 hours late
[01:20] <binarymutant> but trains are just fun to be on :D
[01:20] <cyberanger> another hard time with rochester transit ^^
[01:21] <cyberanger> binarymutant: true, but if you want to rival buses & planes, not cool
[01:21] <cyberanger> rochester to toronto used to be 3 hours by ferry
[01:21] <binarymutant> ah I've never been on a ferry before
[01:21] <binarymutant> that would be fun too
[01:21] <cyberanger> now it's 5 hours by car, should be nearly that by train, and bus is about that
[01:22] <cyberanger> but trains having that issue, and once a day too (once out, once in)
[01:22] <binarymutant> true
[01:22] <binarymutant> I guess I rate it based on the 'fun' factor instead of the efficient factor
[01:22] <cyberanger> flights there take longer for security, customs (which isn't much to canada)
[01:23] <cyberanger> oh, and there is nothing wrong with that ( I said I'd like to take the lake shore limited from chicago to rochester (with two stops) so I get that)
[01:24] <binarymutant> lake shore limited?
[01:24] <cyberanger> amtrak line
[01:24] <binarymutant> ah
[01:25] <cyberanger> but even when the airlines are taxed worse than tobacco & booze (and gas)
[01:25] <binarymutant> the view is worth it :D
[01:25] <cyberanger> the trains and buses can't fix their issues and become viable on an economical level
[01:26] <cyberanger> granted, we subsidize air travel way too much, and buses have an indirect subsidy of no track usage fees or other means to repair tracks
[01:27] <cyberanger> (or in the buses case, roads)
[01:27] <cyberanger> their tickets match amtrak, with less fees
[01:27] <cyberanger> i can see tourist wanting a view, i can't see the businessman from chicago to nyc  doing that
[01:28] <binarymutant> true
[01:28] <cyberanger> when amtrak could currently beat airfare in quality, first class being worth something on rail
[01:28] <cyberanger> for a lot less
[01:29] <cyberanger> and with security lines & such accounted for (and being closer to downtown on a train then bus)
[01:29] <cyberanger> it'd be a time competitor
[01:30] <cyberanger> I want trains brought back to the large scale they were, triple mass transit programs with it
[01:30] <binarymutant> that would be fun
[01:30] <cyberanger> not ditch the car, but in a sense, render it a luxury than a necessity for most americans
[01:30] <binarymutant> yes like every where else in the world
[01:31] <cyberanger> if we did that, I guantree a ticket from chicago to seattle would be a hundred to a hundred fifty
[01:31] <binarymutant> mass transit rules
[01:32] <cyberanger> compared to acutally being worse than airfare at 500 something
[01:32] <binarymutant> the only problem with trains is that any house a few miles near the tracks lose value :/
[01:33] <cyberanger> vs just under 500 for airfare, and a much much shorter trip
[01:33] <binarymutant> and small cities probably wouldn't have access to them
[01:34] <binarymutant> stoopid connection
[01:37] <cyberanger> I think that can change
[01:38] <binarymutant> the connection getting lost randomly? Or realistate value?
[01:38] <cyberanger> the value deal is seen as bad here now, if you mix local, interurban & freight on the same lines efficently
[01:38] <cyberanger> it'll be seen as a booster
[01:38] <cyberanger> and perception of rail as an issue is less so than an airport
[01:39] <binarymutant> that's true, planes are very loud
[01:39] <cyberanger> noise, pollution issues
[01:39] <binarymutant> but still no one wants to live next to a train track
[01:39] <binarymutant> unless those bullet trains are quiet
[01:40] <cyberanger> esp the maglev
[01:44] <cyberanger> binarymutant: if it's new track, most designated no freight,they are much quieter than amtrak
[01:45] <cyberanger> you should see DART and the el
[01:45] <cyberanger> they aren't that loud
[01:45] <binarymutant> that's cool
[01:45] <binarymutant> never seen the new trains
[01:45] <cyberanger> and actually, they're noiser than a maglev
[01:46] <binarymutant> is maglev the bullet train?
[01:46] <cyberanger> a step up
[01:46] <binarymutant> ah cool
[01:46] <cyberanger> magnetic levetation, no friction on the tracks
[01:47] <binarymutant> we need that on roads :D
[01:47] <cyberanger> whearas a bullet is more like a ferrei sports car, aerodynamics meant for the spee, with an engine to get it that fast
[01:47] <binarymutant> ah
[01:48] <cyberanger> that's summing up a bullet too much, but that is a general measurement between the two
[01:48] <cyberanger> and with more freight on tracks, less road wreaks
[01:49] <cyberanger> less gas spent on smaller shipments
[01:50] <binarymutant> very true
[01:50] <cyberanger> and that'll shift the value issues some, get too close and there is a foundation concern, noise & vibration, just like airports
[01:51] <cyberanger> but that applies for interstates, airports, every mode of transit really
[01:51] <cyberanger> the hard pard is airports buy so much more land around them, that it's less of an issue
[01:52] <cyberanger> for the amount of traffic, few people close enough to notice, too many see the travel outweighing the concerns
[01:53] <cyberanger> for trains, the concerns are smaller, while it would affect more people, it would affect more in good ways too
[01:54] <cyberanger> it'd be hard to give up driving for me, but I could easily trade it for an effective, cheape, privacy enhanced method
[01:56] <binarymutant> me too. It's a shame there arent any passenger trains around me
[01:58] <binarymutant> 500 channels and nothing on :/
[02:25] <binarymutant> Miguel de Icaza needs to get over the linux on the desktop idea, it's annoying. 'Only 10 great apps' come on, he probably is only counting mono apps
[02:31] <cyberanger> binarymutant: didn't think irc was that small
[02:32] <binarymutant> ?
[02:32] <binarymutant> cyberanger: what do you mean?
[02:33] <cyberanger> 500 channels and nothing on :-/
[02:33] <cyberanger> ;-)
[02:33] <binarymutant> lol
[02:42] <binarymutant> I decided to catch up on drwho
[02:42] <binarymutant> since nothing else was on
[02:42] <binarymutant> while browsing the Planets
[02:50] <binarymutant> fsf directory is back, they should realize that freshmeat/sourceforge/lgdb/etc. are sooo much better
[02:50] <binarymutant> http://directory.fsf.org
[02:56] <cyberanger> github
[02:56] <cyberanger> launchpad's bzr, yep
[02:57] <binarymutant> freshmeat includes pics
[02:57] <cyberanger> don't need many pictures for a router
[02:58] <binarymutant> games and other stuff though
[02:58] <cyberanger> (my project is an expermental router, only exp with all that0
[02:58] <cyberanger> finally the bumping is done, still can't type on the netbook
[02:58] <cyberanger> used to a fuller keypad
[02:59] <binarymutant> so it's a base linux system with iptables?
[03:03] <cyberanger> yep
[03:05] <cyberanger> bind9, dhcpd, squid
[03:05] <cyberanger> tweaks for sneakernet approaches
[03:05] <binarymutant> that's cool
[03:05] <binarymutant> I need a project
[03:06] <cyberanger> yeah, developing world & disaster relief focus
[03:07] <cyberanger> and if you need one, perhaps ubottutn will forgive you
[03:07] <binarymutant> :P
[03:10]  * cyberanger couldn't resist
[03:11]  * cyberanger imagines the bot returning and saying " binarymutant: I said I needed a nap, but wow, how long are your naps"
[03:13] <binarymutant> it's dead in it's repo like most other software lol
[03:13] <cyberanger> binarymutant: yeah, sad thing is, my project is well behind what I expected
[03:14] <cyberanger> something about unexpected time issues & cash flow problems (I.E. broke & looking for work) slows it down
[03:15] <cyberanger> the joke is soon going to be having that issue resolved, and no time to work on this while working
[03:15] <cyberanger> projects are nice, but I think I'll keep to weekend projects for awhile (and finish this slowly, but from now on, careful what I ask for)
[03:17] <binarymutant> just find a way to automate it :D
[03:18] <cyberanger> automate which one ;-)
[03:19] <binarymutant> the router
[03:23] <cyberanger> but that's no fun
[03:23] <cyberanger> (well, simplifing the router for users yes, taking the development from me, no)
[03:55] <cyberanger> binarymutant: you don't have any projects
[03:55] <cyberanger> not even a simple try a new distro
[04:06] <Unit193> That's a lot of scrollup
[04:10] <cyberanger> Unit193: lol
[04:11] <Unit193> I didn't read it all, that's just a bit long for that
[04:11] <cyberanger> binarymutant: think that train bit is worthy a blog postt
[04:11] <Unit193> cyberanger: /wi PerfM
[04:16] <binarymutant> cyberanger: no project :/
[04:16] <binarymutant> cyberanger: and maybe :D
[04:18] <cyberanger> binarymutant: well, think I'm going to rewrite it into one
[04:19] <cyberanger> when I get a chance (which means, who knows)
[04:19] <binarymutant> :D
[04:28] <cyberanger> I'll say this, public transportation beats parking in chattanooga
[04:29] <cyberanger> I park and ride for trips I can plan that in (most)
[04:29] <cyberanger> if it's not outskirts anyways
[04:29] <cyberanger> cheaper too
[04:31] <cyberanger> oh dear, curse my curousity & google, this looks like a cool long term project
[04:31] <cyberanger> https://www.cgran.org/wiki/gr-air-modes
[04:33] <binarymutant> that's pretty cool, plane tracker
[04:33] <cyberanger> only one module of Gnu Radio, but yeah
[04:34] <cyberanger> actually it's more akin to secondary radar than a tracker
[04:35] <binarymutant> okay, wtf is going on here? Youtube leaves nasty artifacts all over my root window. Vimeo doesnt
[04:36] <binarymutant> hulu leaves artifacts too
[04:37] <cyberanger> binarymutant: full screen  for either
[04:38] <binarymutant> either
[04:38] <binarymutant> small screen
[04:38] <binarymutant> vimeo just blew my mind
[04:39] <cyberanger> hrm
[04:39] <binarymutant> html5 video I guess
[04:40] <binarymutant> what's another html5 site?
[04:40] <cyberanger> yeah, and your UA play a role?
[04:40] <cyberanger> pandora is now
[04:41] <binarymutant> ua?
[04:42] <cyberanger> user agent
[04:42] <binarymutant> omg flash is horrid, I want html5 on youtube
[04:42] <binarymutant> cyberanger: no it doesn't
[04:42] <cyberanger> cause you did tweak it
[04:42] <binarymutant> html5 video works amazing and flash sucks
[04:42] <cyberanger> thinking maybe you got presented something different for it
[04:42] <cyberanger> yep, that sounds right
[04:43] <Unit193> Pandora still uses flash
[04:44] <cyberanger> the only thing adobe has yet to code is a vacum, becuase coding a vacum that sucks isn't a challenge
[04:44] <cyberanger> Unit193: what browser?
[04:44] <Unit193> binarymutant: http://www.youtube.com/html5
[04:44] <cyberanger> they have html5 if your browser supports it (which is decided by the User agent string)
[04:45] <Unit193> cyberanger: I have FF9 now
[04:45] <cyberanger> Unit193: that doesn't cover every video unfortunately
[04:45] <cyberanger> Unit193: tried  chrome and pandora?
[04:45] <Unit193> Chromium or Chome?
[04:45] <Unit193> And no
[04:47] <Unit193> cyberanger: The youtube one still will catch some and Pandora isn't *fully* html5, just mostly
[04:48] <cyberanger> Unit193: in this context, not sure it matters
[04:52] <binarymutant> gah I can't trick youtube into html5
[04:54] <binarymutant> http://youtube.com/html5 fails no matter what user agent I use
[05:00] <binarymutant> js and ua checking makes me smoke brb
[05:02] <cyberanger> lol, dirty trick there
[05:03] <cyberanger> interrogating the browser via javascript
[05:06] <binarymutant> ya
[05:06] <binarymutant> it's making me mad
[05:07] <binarymutant> mad enough to send a "fist-shaking" email to youtube with the subject line "My browser works!"
[05:07] <Unit193> I need to find a video that uses it >.<
[05:08] <binarymutant> youtube.com/html5 || vimeo.com || html5video.org
[05:09] <Unit193> Yes, need to find a YouTube video that has it enabled
[05:09] <Unit193> (Signed up already)
[05:09] <binarymutant> are they all not html5?
[05:10] <Unit193> This is a good one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYV-qYeWPkk
[05:10] <binarymutant> it's flash for me :/
[05:10] <cyberanger> binarymutant: no, hence the javascript check
[05:11] <cyberanger> it's browser codec dependant
[05:11] <binarymutant> monty python is hilarious (old though)
[05:11] <Unit193> I don't care that it's old, it's great
[05:12] <binarymutant> Lineham is the present!
[05:14] <binarymutant> ...not IT Crowd fans?
[05:15] <Unit193> Not really
[05:15] <binarymutant> :(
[05:16] <Unit193> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrzMhU_4m-g I'll stop after this, but they are so good
[05:16] <cyberanger> binarymutant: a fan
[05:16] <cyberanger> but don't follow like I did
[05:17] <binarymutant> Graham Lineham is awesome (creator)
[05:17] <binarymutant> I can't watch those youtube clips :(
[05:18] <binarymutant> and I can't take a screenshot of the messed up flash artifacts :/
[05:20] <Unit193> It's less than 60F in here
[05:20] <binarymutant> whoa.
[05:21] <binarymutant> cold
[05:21] <Unit193> Just under, not much
[05:21] <binarymutant> too cold
[05:23] <binarymutant> youtube-dl is my only hope
[05:26] <binarymutant> 'she's a witch!'
[05:27] <cyberanger> binarymutant: that's a good scene
[05:28] <cyberanger> now go away or I will taunt you a second time
[05:28] <binarymutant> lols
[05:33] <binarymutant> now google reader is saying i'm unsupported. Maybe i'm using the wrong safari user-agent
[05:34] <cyberanger> binarymutant: or just an old or incorrect one
[05:35] <cyberanger> if it isn't new & right, it'll fail
[05:36] <binarymutant> Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1) AppleWebKit/535.2 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/15.0.872.0 Safari/535.2
[05:36] <binarymutant> still failed
[05:37] <binarymutant> prolly the js is what's making it fail
[05:37] <cyberanger> binarymutant: windows, javascript will say linux
[05:38] <cyberanger> so if they error check with the other, that'll do it too
[05:38] <binarymutant> hmm.
[05:38] <Unit193> Mine Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:9.0a2) Gecko/20110929 Firefox/9.0a2
[05:40] <binarymutant> ^^ failed too
[05:40] <binarymutant> :(  oh well
[05:40] <Unit193> What page are you looking at? The html5 page says I'm compatible
[05:40] <binarymutant> youtube.com/html5
[05:43] <binarymutant> http://tinypic.com/m/f1mlo9/2
[05:47] <Unit193> http://i56.tinypic.com/2duys0n.png
[05:49] <binarymutant> that is so weird
[05:50] <binarymutant> oh well, I'll just download youtube vids
[05:50] <Unit193> I still need to find them on there though :P
[05:51] <binarymutant> does flash work right for you ?
[05:52] <binarymutant> what version?
[05:52] <binarymutant> <- 10.3.183
[05:52] <Unit193> 10.3.183.10
[05:53] <binarymutant> :/  gah I might just have to ditch webkit-gtk
[05:54] <binarymutant> firefox is 77.4Mb though
[05:58] <Unit193> Remember, I'm not running normal so it might be a tad different
[06:00] <binarymutant> what are you using?
[06:03] <Unit193> 7 just came out and I just got upgraded to 9
[06:05] <binarymutant> firefox 9?
[06:05] <binarymutant> that's pretty cool
[06:15] <Unit193> Catching up on overloaded RSS feeds :P
[06:23] <Unit193> No, couldn't be! http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2011/09/29/ok-lets-see-what-this-doctor-who-hullabaloo-is-all-about-comics/
[06:24] <binarymutant> lol
[06:24] <Unit193> Odd name, but great site
[06:24] <Unit193> And the coldness is hitting my fingers
[06:25] <binarymutant> I used to follow geeksaresexy too, but I thought kotaku was a better replacement
[06:26] <Unit193> Hmmm... I'll google, but I like the amount they put out, too much will drive me crazy
[06:27] <Unit193> And I'll assume you've seen http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2011/09/30/tick-tock-goes-the-clock-doctor-who-finale-tomorrow/
[06:27] <binarymutant> ah spoilers
[06:28] <Unit193> Heh, yep. Hate those (But I'll admit, I watched it for once)
[06:30] <binarymutant> it's funny that in the comic strip above ^^ he's watching it on his pc
[06:31] <Unit193> No keyboard/mouse, maybe he sits really close to the TV ;)
[06:31] <Unit193> There are other ways to watch it?
[06:32] <binarymutant> bbc america
[06:32] <binarymutant> I think I watched season 4 on tv
[06:32]  * Unit193 does at times wish he had cable
[06:32] <binarymutant> nah it's a waste
[06:33] <Unit193> For the most part, oh yes
[06:39] <cyberanger> it's a waste of perfectly good coax
[06:39] <binarymutant> :D lol
[06:40] <cyberanger> if i want lots and lots of junk coming into my home, it'll be on fibre optic cable
[06:40] <cyberanger> there's plenty of extra bandwidth there
[06:41] <binarymutant> 70$ in Cali
[06:41]  * cyberanger can't find the fibre line, goes back to his book
[06:41]  * Unit193 wonders if the internet there is less costly
[06:42] <binarymutant> 70$ fiber optic, uh yeah 'less costly' bc that's what I pay for 2mb cable
[06:42] <cyberanger> it seems to be cheaper here in chicago
[06:43] <binarymutant> more competition the better
[06:43] <Unit193> "There" is where cyberanger lives
[06:43] <binarymutant> :/ heh sry
[06:44] <cyberanger> not to metion the datacenters and financial sector demanding it
[06:44] <binarymutant> too bad amazon doesn't demand it for Cleveland
[06:44] <cyberanger> Unit193: no, just in town for the weekend, have ties up here, and when job hunting
[06:45] <cyberanger> binarymutant: even worse, that plant isn't really in cleveland
[06:45] <cyberanger> it's in charelston
[06:45] <binarymutant> nc?
[06:45] <cyberanger> tn
[06:45] <binarymutant> ah neverheard
[06:46] <binarymutant> well they should bring good internet to TN is all i'm saying
[06:46] <cyberanger> so even if they demand it, they will drag that cable from chattanooga benifiting few in cleveland, past cleveland for 15 miles to charelston
[06:46] <binarymutant> they don't pay tax after all
[06:46] <cyberanger> I think amazon will soon though
[06:47] <cyberanger> actually, I think the deal was merely customers sales tax
[06:47] <binarymutant> idk, they said they would move before paying tax. ( I don't have a problem with it, just want good net in tn )
[06:47] <cyberanger> and cleveland & charleston are trying to annex their way to amazon
[06:48] <binarymutant> lol @ toilet motorcycle
[06:49] <binarymutant> 2 < cyberanger> it seems to be cheaper here in chicago
[06:49] <binarymutant> 02:43 < binarymutant> more competition the better
[06:49] <binarymutant> gah
[06:50] <binarymutant> http://boingboing.net/2011/09/30/motorized-tricycle-that-runs-on-human-poo.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+boingboing%2FiBag+%28Boing+Boing%29 {there}
[06:50] <cyberanger> binarymutant: yeah, trying to do my homework on where to place a server or two, and researching things
[06:50] <cyberanger> and it does, unfortunate for us
[06:51] <binarymutant> cloud is pretty cheap
[06:51] <binarymutant> (so I've heard)
[06:52] <cyberanger> except it's not colocated
[06:52] <cyberanger> I own the server
[06:52] <Unit193> Japan, who would have guessed? And looks like you should be nude in public
[06:55] <binarymutant> they're very open over there :P
[06:55] <binarymutant> cyberanger: I don't think it really matters where you put your server, unless your getting a million hits a second
[06:56] <cyberanger> binarymutant: or high bandwidth and cap issues
[06:56] <cyberanger> distrubiting isos
[06:57] <binarymutant> caps? oh ya
[06:57] <cyberanger> well, charter has a cap
[06:58] <binarymutant> so does everyone now
[06:58] <binarymutant> buy business tier
[06:58] <cyberanger> read the acceptable use policy, it;s one I break
[06:58] <cyberanger> 250 gb business
[06:58] <cyberanger> and bandwidth
[06:58] <cyberanger> holding a tb in the mirror easily
[06:59] <cyberanger> plus distributing swissknife router (when it's finally done)
[06:59] <cyberanger> it's going to have to be a dc job
[07:00] <binarymutant> these businesses always hide their caps in the hardest spots to find....
[07:01] <binarymutant> uh wtf 8. NO “HACKING"
[07:01] <binarymutant> on Charter tos
[07:01] <binarymutant> [..] packet sniffers or network probing tools.[...]
[07:03] <binarymutant> urrgh cant read TOS anymore
[07:06] <cyberanger> binarymutant: yeah, an odd one that thethey are vauge on ( but legit ethical use i've done they ignore)
[07:11] <binarymutant> that was from their commercial tos, saying don't use nmap, and don't let anyone. How are is the admin's supposed to work??
[07:15] <cyberanger> by discreetly disobeying that
[08:57] <Unit193> 18:49 < cyberanger> Unit193: have you not heard of networked audio? |||| Using PulseAudio?
[09:21] <cyberanger> Unit193: reminding me of something I said, or....
[09:21] <Unit193> cyberanger: Reminding and asking
[09:22] <cyberanger> and what are the odds of xkcd posting this comment the day I check into one
[09:24] <cyberanger> Unit193: hang on
[09:25] <Unit193> Alrighty, just asking if that's what you used
[09:25] <cyberanger> no, well, I don't use networked audio either
[09:26] <Unit193> Ah
[09:26] <cyberanger> I've done it, but just a rare need for that in a studio apartment
[09:26] <Unit193> I think it could be very useful
[09:26] <cyberanger> too small for audio anyhow, but network it
[09:27] <cyberanger> Unit193: http://goo.gl/Agpya
[09:28] <cyberanger> Unit193: http://goo.gl/AgPya
[09:29] <cyberanger> Unit193: not saying that's how I did it (I think I did something involving config files knowing me)
[09:29] <cyberanger> but that should work, same result
[09:30] <Unit193> Heh, as long as it doesn't need a reboot, I'll be good :P
[09:31] <cyberanger> Unit193: live disc/
[09:31] <cyberanger> Unit193: live disc?
[09:32] <Unit193> No, just buggy X and when it gets running, do NOT reboot! It can have great uptimes, or less than a day to a frozen X
[09:36] <cyberanger> Unit193: can you not restart xorg or fallback to a terminal and restart gdm
[09:36] <Unit193> I can not
[09:41] <cyberanger> that's fun
[09:42] <Unit193> Aye
[09:42] <Unit193> Check status window ;)
[10:28] <binarymutant> wowza:
[10:28] <binarymutant> echo 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyKS_a-EA4M&feature=feedrec_grec_index' | clive --stream-exec="mplayer -really-quiet %i" -s
[10:29] <binarymutant> no more flash for me :D
[16:19]  * cyberanger is rocking debian testing
[16:35] <wrst> cool cyberanger
[17:20] <cyberanger> wrst: it's just that much nicer to have a rolling release
[17:21] <cyberanger> wrst: and with my debian focus, this is the best I'll get in that focus
[17:32] <wrst> cyberanger: you just need to move to arch and forget it :)
[17:33] <cyberanger> wrst: can't do that, I'd already love to forget centos, but that's not an option
[17:33] <wrst> for personal "desktop" like use I find arch hard to be
[17:33] <wrst> at
[17:34] <cyberanger> wrst: personal or average?
[17:34] <wrst> well cyberanger we aren't average :)
[17:35] <cyberanger> wrst: true, but my desktops are part server
[17:39] <wrst> i run a "server" and a laptop at home with the occasional desktop use when i need the horsepower
[19:50] <cyberanger> wrst: i run a server, but all my machines have daemons on them
[19:50] <cyberanger> squid proxy on all
[19:51] <cyberanger> keep others installed, configured, but off until needed
[19:51] <cyberanger> like ssh
[19:51] <cyberanger> so it's kinda grab the next rig and backup data and done
[20:22] <Unit193> Awesome! New Doctor Who is out!
[21:12] <Unit193> binarymutant: Welcome back! (Back to afs now)
[21:22] <binarymutant> lol, I figured out how to destroy youtube.com/html5  - noscript
[21:50] <wrst> howdy folks :)
[21:51] <Unit193> wrst: Hello
[21:51] <Unit193> Missed the 30 cutoff
[21:51] <wrst> hey Unit193
[21:51] <wrst> i missed what? :)
[21:51] <Unit193> I did
[21:52] <Unit193> I will say, the new Doctor Who was great!!
[22:01] <wrst> not a watcher Unit193 with a 6 month old regular tv watching is not so easy :)
[22:02] <Unit193> Awww... That's a darn good one
[22:02] <Unit193> But I see how you would have problems
[22:05] <wrst> ha ha yes we just went and purchased a dvd player for her though for the back seat
[22:06] <Unit193> Isn't that young though?
[22:19] <wrst> probably so but she knows how to do some basic things with kid games on the wife's ipad
[23:39] <binarymutant> ok I now have a command to run on youtube but need to figure out a way to grab the uri of the youtube video and run it...
[23:49] <Juzzy> there's only 21309128 tools to steal youtube
[23:49] <Juzzy> surely somoene has a snagger for you
[23:50] <Unit193> I just use FF and DownloadHelper, but YouTube is one of the ones that actually work for a change :P
[23:53] <cyberanger> Juzzy: and that's not counting those that run on the local machine
[23:54] <cyberanger> wrst: as long as you still catch the goood hockey games
[23:55] <binarymutant> no I have clive to grab the youtube video, but I want to grab the uri and play it with mplayer in my browser
[23:56] <binarymutant> hands free youtube->mplayer playing
[23:57] <binarymutant> but of course my programming skills are destroying my browser :/