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claydohScottK: thanks for the bug and tray applet00:44
claydohScottK: thanks for the bug and tray applet00:46
claydohI am soo busy at work, I won't be able to get a lot done in a writeup till tuesday, a had a hard lock runnig a vm or (more likely) accidentally running akonadi while virtualbox was running did the trick, then I went to bed :(00:47
ScottKafiestas: If we can get testing on an updated snapshot in Kubuntu today was can probably get an upload in late Sunday.00:56
afiestasScottK: have you read the email I sent?01:08
ScottKafiestas: I did.01:11
ScottKafiestas: If we are going to update, then we need to get the snapshot packaged and tested very soon.01:12
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CIA-130[kdelibs] Jonathan Thomas <echidnaman@kubuntu.org> * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20111002040526-s6m207q73hs3jllc * debian/ (3 files in 2 dirs) Add kubuntu_fix_kextendableitemdelegate_crash.diff from upstream (Commit fc923ff9 to the 4.7 branch) to fix a crash visible in Muon.04:05
ScottKJontheEchidna: Are you uploading that then?04:06
JontheEchidnayep04:06
ScottKOK.  I'll stay awake long enough to accept it.04:06
JontheEchidnathanks04:08
ScottKJontheEchidna: Accepted.  Thanks.04:18
shadeslayer\o11:03
yofelmorning11:06
alleeyofel: morning11:28
alleeshadeslayer: o/11:28
alleemy morning was not so good:  I tried to use kdepim.   So far a failure. even with a newly created account11:29
alleeIs it only me, but for a new user first login seem to succeed, then kdm greeter appears.  11:30
yofelallee: natty + 4.? or oneiric?11:32
alleekbuildsycoca4(8936) KBuildServiceFactory::createEntry: Invalid Service :  "/usr/share/applications/kde4/koffice.desktop" 11:32
alleekbuildsycoca4(8936) KConfigGroup::readXdgListEntry: List entry Categories in "/usr/share/applications/kde4/bluedevil-network-panu.desktop" is not compliant with XDG standard (missing trailing semicolon). 11:32
alleekbuildsycoca4(8936) KConfigGroup::readXdgListEntry: List entry Categories in "/usr/share/applications/im-switch.desktop" is not compliant with XDG standard (missing trailing semicolon). 11:32
allee"KConfigIni: In file /tmp/kde-pim-test/kconf_updatehX8937.tmp, line 1: " Invalid entry (missing '=') 11:32
alleeQDBusObjectPath: invalid path ""11:32
alleeQObject::connect: Cannot connect (null)::deviceFound(Device*) to BlueDevilDaemon::deviceFound(Device*)11:32
alleeQObject::connect: Cannot connect QTimer::timeout() to (null)::stopDiscovery()11:32
alleekded(8935) LayoutMemoryPersister::restoreFromFile: Failed to open layout memory xml file for reading "/home/pim-test/.kde/share/apps/kded/session/keyboard/layout_memory.xml" error: 5 11:32
alleeConnecting to deprecated signal QDBusConnectionInterface::serviceOwnerChanged(QString,QString,QString)11:32
alleeObject::connect: No such slot NetworkManagementService::finishInitialization()11:32
alleeObject::connect: No such signal QDBusAbstractInterface::Changed()11:32
alleeQDBusConnection: name 'org.kde.kglobalaccel' had owner '' but we thought it was ':1.11'11:33
alleeQPixmap::handle(): Pixmap is not an X11 class pixmap11:33
alleekded4: Fatal IO error: client killed11:33
alleekglobalaccel: Fatal IO error: client killed11:33
alleekdeinit4: Fatal IO error: client killed11:33
alleekdeinit4: sending SIGHUP to children.11:33
alleeQt-subapplication: Fatal IO error: client killed11:33
alleeklauncher: Exiting on signal 111:33
alleekdeinit4: Fatal IO error: client killed11:33
alleekdeinit4: sending SIGHUP to children.11:33
yofela) pastebin please... b) o.O11:33
alleeupps. sorry.  Whated to paste the url not the content11:33
alleeyofel: oneiric.  Last update 3 hours ago11:33
alleeI know :(11:33
yofelhm, I just logged in on updated oneiric fine11:33
yofelnot a new user though11:34
alleehttp://paste.ubuntu.com/700989/11:34
alleeyofel: after updates the logout after 10 sec append also my existing user.  11:34
alleebut there I blamed the update. 11:35
* allee looks into the login failure probem ...11:36
alleeafiestas: FYI bluedevil-network-{dun,panu}.desktop files somewhere miss a ';'  (see your .xsession error ;)11:38
yofelokaaaay...11:42
* allee votes for an alternative shortcut for copy, cut and paste: ctrl-shift-{p,x,v} as used by konsole.11:42
yofelI just tried to open firefox and got logged out o.O11:43
yofelhehe11:43
yofelhm...11:44
yofelGtk-Message: Failed to load module "canberra-gtk-module"11:45
yofelkded4: Fatal IO error: client killed11:45
yofelo.O11:45
yofelinstalled libcanberra-gtk-module again and no crash so far11:49
yofelbut it missing causing a crash in kded is ridiculous11:51
alleeyofel: Firefox works here and the libcan..module is not installed.  So it's (non-standard) a kded service that crashes?11:53
alleenevertheless.   Definitely a pkg is missing a Depends: .. libcanberra-gtk-module11:53
yofelwell, firefox should recommend it I think as it's not really required11:54
* yofel goes searching for some missing icons - bug 823830 and bug 83044712:38
ubottuLaunchpad bug 823830 in Kubuntu PPA "Minor Glitches in KDE 4.7.0" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82383012:38
ubottuLaunchpad bug 830447 in Kubuntu PPA "to-do icon missing in Kontact (KDE PIM)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/83044712:38
yofelthey're missing in oneric too12:38
apacheloggerScottK: how does lowfat relate to an activity?12:48
apacheloggerdoubtlessly one acitivity can have less mem consumption than another acitivity but one can also have less mem consumption without an acitvity12:49
apacheloggerthat is to say ... low fat has a wider scope than what the activity paradigm actual represents12:50
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Quintasanapachelogger: Can you check if kffmpegthumbnailer works in Dolphin?13:06
QuintasanKDE needs some video thumbnailer inside13:07
apacheloggercheck the channle logs13:09
yofelwhat the F****13:10
Quintasanapachelogger: For what? kffmpegthumbnailer? How long ago was that13:11
apacheloggerfor talk about the thumbnailer business13:11
Quintasanyofel: Sup?13:11
yofelI enabled kffmpegthumbnailer in dolpin, clicked on apply and the color scheme for all already opened windows changed o.O13:11
yofelnatty + 4.713:11
Quintasanyofel: It works?13:12
yofelit didn't change the setting though, new windows have the right colors, only the widows that are already open changed...13:12
yofelit does in natty, lemme try to find something on my eeePC to test...13:12
apacheloggerprn13:14
* Quintasan looks @ log and finds nothing13:14
yofellog from quite a while ago13:14
QuintasanAh13:14
yofelQuintasan: WFM on oneiric13:17
QuintasanCool13:17
QuintasanThen it's just broken here13:17
Quintasanoh btw13:17
Quintasanyofel: http://paste.kde.org/129535 <--- do you have those packages holded by apt as well?13:18
yofelno13:18
Quintasanhmm13:18
QuintasanAh13:18
Quintasanninjas were uncommented13:18
QuintasanDoesnt change a thing13:19
Quintasanwtf13:19
yofelQuintasan: can you either use aptitude (if you don't use multiarch), or: apt-get dist-upgrade -u -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=true13:21
QuintasanIt pulls a shitload of :i386 packages13:22
Quintasanlet's see if it works13:22
Quintasanyofel: If I am not back soon then something has failed :P13:22
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ScottKapachelogger: It could be, but from the sounds of the upstream discussion on the future of power management, it seemed like another way to do it.13:43
apacheloggerI haven't read the discussion ... but it is essentially the same thing with scope ... except that an activity can influence the policy for pm13:56
apacheloggersuch as no-screen of when on mediacenter activity13:57
apacheloggers/of/off13:57
afiestasapachelogger:  ScottK: long story short about power management: only a feature used by 0.0001% is going to be moved somewhere else14:01
* yofel goes upgrading his desktop to oneiric14:04
apacheloggershadeslayer: pingpingpng14:52
shadeslayerpong pong ponh14:53
apacheloggershadeslayer: uds on ios?!14:53
shadeslayerapachelogger: haven't had the time to set up everything yet @_@14:53
apachelogger-.-14:53
shadeslayerlemme start cloning Qt ... something thats going to take forever14:54
apacheloggeryou don't have a clone around?14:55
shadeslayernope14:55
shadeslayerhaven't had the need for one till now14:55
apacheloggeroh my14:55
shadeslayeroh one sec14:56
shadeslayerlemme see if i can copy stuff from the other user14:56
shadeslayernope, no Qt clones14:57
shadeslayercloning started, wait for ... 3 days before it completes :P14:58
shadeslayerbrr14:58
shadeslayerI'm pretty sure my ISP will log me out at 11 PM14:59
bulldog98_shadeslayer: maybe apachelogger should send you a DVD with the Repro on it :P15:00
shadeslayerthat would probably be faster :P15:00
shadeslayerO_O ... 2 % done already15:00
shadeslayerok, there's some home15:00
shadeslayer*hope15:00
bambeemorning15:00
apacheloggerbulldog98_: I do not think my clone fits on a DVD :P15:09
* apachelogger has like 3000 remotes and a bazillion branches15:10
bulldog98_apachelogger: but you could clone qt for shadeslayer and burn it, it would still be faster :P15:10
apacheloggerindeed15:11
shadeslayeri have to download xcode as well after this :S15:17
apacheloggershadeslayer: maybe you should have started with downloads that weekend you said you were going to then...15:20
shadeslayerit slipped my mind 15:20
shadeslayerapachelogger: I should have everything setup by tomorrow probably15:23
shadeslayerif everything goes as planned15:23
shadeslayerbwahahaha : http://cl.ly/2E3P3W2y1A0G3S1S3e1O15:25
apacheloggernot even qtsdk with all toolchains is that fat15:41
apacheloggerdid I already ask what features a mobile uds app could use?15:43
bulldog98_apachelogger: show the way to the next food shop?15:43
apacheloggeralready there 15:44
apacheloggersorta15:44
apacheloggerthat is what the map tab is for15:44
bulldog98_apachelogger: show pics of the people in an session?15:44
apacheloggerbulldog98_: pics?15:45
apacheloggerlike launchpad user mugshots?15:45
bulldog98_yep15:45
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apacheloggerhmmm15:45
apacheloggermight only be possible in the next version, once we switch to the rest api15:45
bulldog98showing partys etc15:46
apacheloggeroh, we got that already15:47
apacheloggerparties are in the regular schedule15:47
apacheloggermight be worth to show them collectively somewhere15:48
* apachelogger wonders if soyuz is still being developed or if OBS is now getting integrated15:53
apacheloggerI think no bug I ever filed against launchpad was ever fixed :(15:53
yofeluh... they aren't integrating OBS, or else there wouldn't be that many bugs15:57
apacheloggerwell15:58
apacheloggeras I said so many times, integrations OBS into launchpad and improve its debian support would be a worthwhile investment15:59
shadeslayer61 % cloning done16:16
shadeslayerI'm guessing KDE 4.7.2 will be SRU'd ?16:30
apacheloggeryeah16:31
apacheloggershadeslayer: if you package it16:31
apacheloggeryofel: can you get packaging staretd please16:31
shadeslayerwill probably start tomorrow16:31
shadeslayerhave to prepare a presentation right now16:31
shadeslayerapachelogger: your iOS stuff is eating up all my bandwidth anyway :P16:32
apachelogger"influence of the prn industry on adoption of new technologies in the market"?16:32
shadeslayer"influence of the prn industry on adoption of new OSS technologies in the market"16:32
apacheloggeric16:33
shadeslayerand something about the PIC microcontrollre16:33
shadeslayer*microcontroller16:33
apacheloggerthat sounds a tad boring16:34
shadeslayerit is16:35
nigelbapachelogger: oye16:41
nigelblaunchpad isn't *that* bad:)16:41
yofelapachelogger: wth is that?16:41
yofelnigelb: do you really want my bug list? ^^16:42
apacheloggernigelb: comparing soyuz to OBS I'd say there is a 1000% difference in usefulness16:42
* yofel loves the realtime buildlog on OBS...16:42
nigelbapachelogger: soyuz sucks, everyone knows. But launchpad itself isn't that bad.16:42
nigelbI like the bug tracker.16:42
yofelwell ok, malone I can live with16:43
apacheloggerwell, it is much to big a piece of software IMHO16:43
yofelbut soyuz and the source imports tend to annoy me16:43
nigelbsoyuz annoys everyone, sadly.16:43
yofelsince I manage to hit a bug at least once a month16:43
apacheloggerlike the entire blueprint system could be canned as it does not nearly life up to its potential16:43
nigelbwell, blueprints are getting killed soon.16:44
yofelnigelb: is there a replacements for the todo lists?16:44
apacheloggerso what features are left...16:44
yofel*replacement16:44
apacheloggerprojects which is really just a gateway feature16:44
apacheloggerthen you got code which wants you to use bzr if you want to use lunchpad16:45
nigelbyofel: Its getting some sort of merge with bugs16:45
apacheloggerand malone, which quite frankly might be the most useful part of launchpad to begin with16:45
yofelnigelb: ok, that actually sounds somewhat reasonable16:45
yofelanswers.launchpad.net isn't that bad either16:46
apacheloggera merge would supposedly also kill quite some wishlist items on malone WRT dep tracking between bugs16:46
apacheloggerwhich is one feature I *really* miss16:46
yofelhm, version tracking ala bugs.debian.org style is something I miss16:47
apacheloggeryou really cannot track complicated stuff in malone right now16:47
apacheloggeror if you try it would lead to a misrepresentation of reality16:47
apacheloggerlike you have one bug affect 5 packages, even though they form indivdual steps to resolve a super bug16:47
apacheloggeryofel: answers also doesn't life up to its potential16:48
apacheloggerplus underused16:48
apacheloggerplus essentially deprecated by askubuntu16:48
yofelhm, true16:48
nigelbwell, answers for *ubuntu* probably is deprecated16:48
* apachelogger is someone who likes to trim software if work force does not suffice anyway ^^16:48
nigelbbut not for other proejcts16:48
apacheloggerso I am very biased here16:48
nigelbheh16:49
nigelbapachelogger: did you finish the uds app?16:49
yofelapachelogger: back on topic, what's staretd?16:49
apacheloggernigelb: which leads back to the problem that answers is very underdeveloped and if you actually need such a solution you would be turning somewhere else16:49
apacheloggeryofel: you should prepare for 4.7.216:50
apacheloggerwiki page, get the people and stuff16:50
apacheloggertars are up I hear16:50
yofeloh right16:50
yofelI'll have dinner now, but I can do the wiki stuff before that16:50
apacheloggernigelb: no, I am still waiting on a UI design from rbelem16:50
apacheloggernon-ui is pretty much in line though for first release16:51
shadeslayerapachelogger: qt cloned \o/16:52
apacheloggeryay16:52
apacheloggerget cracking16:52
yofeloh fun, dirk is already having problems ^^16:52
apacheloggereh16:52
apacheloggerbuilding16:52
shadeslayerheh16:52
shadeslayerapachelogger: nope, still downloading xcode16:52
apacheloggeryofel: that is because he is using inferior release scripting :P16:52
apacheloggershadeslayer: you can build qt without xcode, no?16:53
shadeslayerapachelogger: nope, xcode installs the compiler and everything iirc16:53
apacheloggerwhat a drag16:54
shadeslayer:P16:55
shadeslayer8 Hours remaining16:55
apacheloggergood lord16:55
shadeslayerhehe :)16:57
yofelyou should've probably cloned it on my server, tarred and xz -9 -ed it, and sftpd that16:58
apacheloggeryofel has a point there16:58
apacheloggeralso http should start compressing everything with xz :P16:58
shadeslayerwell, why didn't apachelogger think of that before16:58
* apachelogger does not think of silly distributors shipping stuff that is not distributed in sane manner16:59
apacheloggerthat sentence was all sorts of confusing16:59
shadeslayerwtf16:59
shadeslayer1 Day remaining16:59
* yofel notes that plymouth + nouveau is still broken in oneiric after upgrading16:59
shadeslayer2 days now -.-16:59
yofeloff for dinner, bbiab17:01
apacheloggeris that apple's server being crap?17:01
apacheloggeryou might really go through yofel, surely his speed is less influenced by thousends of software patent supporters17:01
shadeslayernope, it's because jenkins started a build on my server17:02
apacheloggerthat does not compute17:03
shadeslayerapachelogger: http://build.kde.org/job/kdepim-runtime-test/17:03
apacheloggerwhy does a build make your download take longer?!17:03
shadeslayerapachelogger: it clones repos and sync's everything17:04
shadeslayerwith the master node17:04
apacheloggerit does new clones everytime? :O17:04
apacheloggeroh oho h17:04
apacheloggeractually17:04
apacheloggershadeslayer: that is distributed?17:04
shadeslayerno, it updates it and everything17:04
shadeslayerapachelogger: yus17:04
apacheloggerso....17:04
apacheloggershadeslayer: whoever is in charge should talk to muesli about moving phonon and tomahawk there and add the tomahawk hudson server as a node17:05
apacheloggeralso someone should tell me how we can make our ARM machines nodes17:05
shadeslayerapachelogger: talk to tnyblom17:05
shadeslayerTorgny Nyblom  that is17:05
* apachelogger is all busy with getting high17:05
bulldog98guys kdepim-runtime has an override issue: http://paste.kde.org/129583/17:18
bulldog98shadeslayer: you uploaded it ^17:19
shadeslayereh17:20
shadeslayerhow the heck did it land in -dev17:20
bulldog98shadeslayer: hm17:21
bulldog98add breaks kdepim-runtime-dev I’d say17:22
shadeslayerbulldog98: obviously the 4.6 package is bad 17:22
bulldog98shadeslayer: yes but it was installed via one of our ppas17:22
yofel!ninjas | work to do: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging17:22
shadeslayerthat didn't work :P17:23
* bulldog98 doesn’t have time tomorrow, but I’ll try to do something in university at tuesday17:23
yofelbulldog98: 4.6.0 doesn't exist anywhere anymore17:23
yofel!ninjas17:23
ubottuNinja Time! apachelogger, bulldog98, debfx, JontheEchidna, Lex79, maco, neversfelde, nhandler, Quintasan, rgreening, Riddell, ScottK, stalcup, txwikinger, yofel17:23
yofelnow :)17:23
* apachelogger undresses17:23
=== yofel changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu: Friendly Computing | Final Freeze in effect | Archive Frozen | Kubuntu 11.10 Beta 2 Released! | TODO: http://goo.gl/BD9JL | UDS Ideas: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Specs/UDS-P | 4.7.2 Packaging: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging
bulldog98yofel: yes I don’t know either why this happened17:24
yofelbulldog98: well, I know that files shifted around quite a bit in our kdepim packages with someone, you, me and even more people messing with the install files17:24
yofeland we don't add Breaks/Replaces for PPA packages usually17:25
bulldog98ok17:25
apacheloggeryofel: we do17:26
apacheloggerexcept usually it is not necessary to do it against a ppa version specifically17:26
yofelah, might have been me then dropping something at some point17:27
yofelok now... why doesn't kgetsource have any help?17:28
bulldog98yofel: which version are you using?17:28
shadeslayerbecause its documentation is probably in its commit17:28
yofelbulldog98: trunk17:28
bulldog98yofel: I could add one17:28
* yofel reads some ruby17:29
bulldog98yofel: kgetsource PACKAGE17:29
bulldog98gives you latest stable17:29
yofelhm, it obviously relies on khighestversion being in PATH17:30
bulldog98yofel: yes17:30
* yofel runs dpkg-buildpackage17:31
yofelheh, for oxygen-icons I really would like to have a progress-bar ^^17:35
yofelany reason why it puts stuff into build-area/ ?17:40
yofelI would prefer the current folder17:40
bulldog98yofel: that was the behaviour it used to be (putting in build-area) haven’t touched that, since it’s apachelogger’s work :)17:45
yofelah17:45
apacheloggercause bzr builddeb expects it to be there17:45
yofelnvm anyway, I'll stop using that script as it does a half-way work anyway17:45
apacheloggeror something or nothing17:45
* yofel doesn't use bzr-builddeb17:45
apacheloggerthat is a bug then17:46
alleeVPNC still broken oneiric.  Patch was:  http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/tmp/nm-plasmiod-fix-vpnc.diff17:47
yofeltrue, it expects it there, odd bzr17:47
alleebambee cyphermox ScottK  ^^ anyone upload?17:47
shadeslayerapachelogger: http://cl.ly/221E351x0p3p1d1h2k3B17:47
shadeslayerso i do need the iphone simulator compiler thingy17:47
yofelok, now I think I get how this is meant to work17:48
yofelusable17:48
apacheloggershadeslayer: are you on the right branch?17:48
apacheloggeroh17:48
apacheloggeryeah, that might be the problem17:48
apacheloggerhttps://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qt/blobs/4.8/src/plugins/platforms/uikit/README17:49
shadeslayeryeah, need to switch branches17:52
bulldog98apachelogger: why does klinksource doesnot properly work with kdelibs?17:54
apacheloggerwhat does klinksource do?17:55
apachelogger...probably because we call it kde4libs17:55
shadeslayerapachelogger: You don't seem to have 'make' or 'gmake' in your PATH.17:56
shadeslayerxD17:56
apacheloggergmake?17:57
apacheloggerlol17:57
bulldog98apachelogger: it names it kdelibs… but should name that kde4libs…17:57
yofelhmm.. someone an idea how does one tell debuild which gpg key to use for signing?17:57
bulldog98yofel: debuild -k ?17:57
apacheloggerbulldog98: yeah, that will need an override17:57
shadeslayeryeah i know 17:58
yofelbulldog98: hm, I'll try that17:58
apacheloggeryofel: -kID or -k"Name"17:58
bulldog98apachelogger: do you want to fix that, or should I?17:58
yofelyeah, a bit unhandy though if I need to pass that every time17:58
apacheloggerbulldog98: you17:58
* yofel should probably just revoke his old key17:58
apacheloggerI seem not to have enough motivation17:58
* bulldog98 will first eat something :)18:02
* yofel wonders if one can make bzr builddeb add a ~ppa1 suffix18:05
apacheloggerdo not over estimate our tools18:07
apacheloggerone could do that though18:07
apacheloggerexport ... add entry ... buildpackage18:07
bambeeallee: I've not rights to archives18:08
bambeeask a kubuntu dev or a core dev18:08
bambeeapachelogger perhaps...18:08
bambee:p18:08
shadeslayeralright, i'm off to bed18:17
yofelgn18:17
bulldog98gn18:23
CIA-130[lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/oxygen-icons] Philip Muškovac * 86 * debian/changelog New upstream release18:36
CIA-130[lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/meta-kde] Philip Muškovac * 15 * debian/ (changelog rules) Bump dev:latestVersino to 4.7.218:36
bulldog98yofel: smokegen is next :)18:38
CIA-130[lp:kubuntu-dev-tools] Jonathan Kolberg * 125 * bin/ (kgetsource klinksource) Fixed an issue with kdelib naming and fixed kgetsource with specific version18:50
alleeapachelogger, ScottK: not uploaded yet.  oneiric vpnc fix for nm:   http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/tmp/nm-plasmiod-fix-vpnc.diff18:50
bulldog98apachelogger: fixed18:51
CIA-130[lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/smokegen] Philip Muškovac * 12 * debian/changelog New upstream release18:55
DarkwingDuckapachelogger: ping18:57
CIA-130[lp:kubuntu-dev-tools] Jonathan Kolberg * 126 * bin/klinksource Fixed an small issue in klinksource19:00
CIA-130[lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/smokeqt] Philip Muškovac * 10 * debian/changelog New upstream release19:07
apacheloggerDarkwingDuck: yes?19:09
bulldog98yofel: only 10% left19:10
bulldog98of kdelibs19:10
DarkwingDuckapachelogger: Would it make sence to learn C++ with KDE/Kubuntu? Or, should I learn it first then add Qt with it?19:10
yofelsure, I'm doing perqt and qtruby in the meantime19:10
yofel*perlqt19:10
apacheloggerDarkwingDuck: depends on what you want to do19:11
apacheloggergenerally it would be: learn C, learn C++, learn Qt, learn KDE19:11
DarkwingDuckapachelogger: woot. This will take a while then :D19:12
* yofel is somewhere at the c++ step19:12
DarkwingDuckI was thinking of taking the easy way out and learning python then PyQt19:13
apacheloggerwhere the things to learn in the first two would be: c... memory management, pointers, arrays, general syntax; c++... memory management, classes, references, templates (although that can be learned later)19:14
apacheloggerwith qt and kde it is just a matter of learning how to create an initial app and then hack on something specific to get used to API and learn about existing classes19:15
DarkwingDuckSo it's actually less then it looks.19:15
apacheloggerDarkwingDuck: again depending on what you want to do ... with pyqt you would most definitely have to digg quite a bit into unit testing, or automatic testing in general19:16
apacheloggerto make up for the missing type safety and compile time compiler checks19:16
* bulldog98 never has learned to write more than a hello world (or small calculator in C or C++)19:16
bulldog98but I can write Qt and KDE apps :)19:17
apacheloggerthe point is not to write code, the point is to understand the concepts and how one uses them in the respective language19:18
bulldog98apachelogger: yes I understand C and C++ code, but I do not want to code in C or C++ unless I can use Qt or KDE19:19
CIA-130[lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/perlqt] Philip Muškovac * 13 * debian/changelog New upstream release19:22
ScottKapachelogger: I have to go to the airport and get on an airplane.  Can you take care of the NM vpnc fix?19:24
bulldog98yofel: there is at least one missing stuff19:30
yofelotherwise it would be boring19:30
bulldog98?19:31
yofelwell, what's missing?19:31
bulldog98yofel: I mean in the symbol file19:31
yofelright19:31
bulldog98yofel: had a problem with space (the log is gone)19:33
yofelget yourself a larger HDD19:34
bulldog98btw is there a way to tell apt, that it should delete the downloaded packages after installing them?19:34
bulldog98yofel: it was a tmpfs build19:34
bulldog98run out of space, couse ~300 packages were in the tarball19:35
yofelhm, the buildlog shouldn't be in the tmpfs though19:37
yofelbulldog98: well, you can run apt-get clean right after it19:38
bulldog98yofel: hm is there no way to set that in an config file?19:38
yofelread the apt.conf manpage, there is an APT::Clean setting19:40
bulldog98yofel: that’s what I was up to do :)19:40
* yofel has a cron job that runs this:19:42
yofelfind /var/cache/apt/archives/ -atime +7 -exec rm -f -- '{}' \;19:42
yofelremove all debs that haven't been accessed in a week19:42
CIA-130[lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/qtruby] Philip Muškovac * 10 * debian/changelog New upstream release19:43
bulldog98yofel: I use a apt-cacher, so I don’t need them to be cached :)19:43
yofelah19:43
bulldog98twice19:43
bulldog98yofel: I also teached pbuilders to use that, maybe I could add an hook for that?19:47
yofelwouldn't hurt to have in the collection I guess, ask apachelogger how to best fit it in, he wrote most of the hooks19:51
bulldog98apachelogger: a pbuilder generation hook would be best I guess.19:54
bulldog98maybe you should have to set a var to true in your rc to enable it19:54
apacheloggerhm?19:56
bulldog98apachelogger: if you use a apt-cacher it’s useless to cache your files locally too. So it would make sense to force apt-get in an pbuilder to apt-get clean after each package installation19:58
yofelthat only makes sense if you actually let pbuilder cache the fiels19:58
yofel*files19:58
apacheloggerI do not compute19:59
bulldog98yofel: yeah that too20:00
apacheloggershadeslayer: did you know we had to submit a code sample for gsoc?20:14
ScottKIs Dario Freddi as much of an "difficult personality" in person as he is on email?20:17
bulldog98yofel: http://paste.kde.org/12967920:17
* apachelogger only fondles dario usually20:17
apacheloggerScottK: nm is up btw20:17
ScottKCool.20:17
ScottKThaks20:17
ScottKThanks even.20:17
ScottKWill look in a bit.20:18
yofelbulldog98: that shouldn't break anything, it's optional20:24
bulldog98ok20:25
apacheloggerbulldog98: I do not get the problem of bug 9459720:32
ubottuLaunchpad bug 94597 in kdebase-workspace (Ubuntu) "Settings for Logitech Optical Trackman unavailable" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/9459720:32
bulldog98yofel: pushing20:34
bulldog98apachelogger: do you have any logitech mouse/trackball?20:40
bulldog98apachelogger: there is no udev rule that sets proper rights for logitech mouse device files, so it can be changed form within systemsettings20:43
apacheloggerI do not see where I would edit logitech stuff in systemsettings?20:44
bulldog98apachelogger: the mouses have different dpi settings and you can configure them there20:46
bulldog98if everything is setup right20:47
apacheloggerwhere?20:47
bulldog98apachelogger: have you an logitech mouse pluged into your pc, only then you’ll see it in inputdevices -> mouse -> Logitech …20:48
apacheloggerthere is no inputdevices->mouse->logitech20:49
apacheloggerhttp://i.imgur.com/Sh5Z9.png20:49
bulldog98apachelogger: http://people.ubuntu.com/~bulldog98/logitech.jpeg20:55
apachelogger40320:56
apacheloggerhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/63097120:56
ubottuUbuntu bug 630971 in kdebase-workspace (Ubuntu) "kdm manpage has wrong path to README file" [Undecided,New]20:56
apacheloggerman20:56
yofelbulldog98: I've got a logitech keyboard/mouse and I don't have any settings there either20:59
yofelmissing package?20:59
CIA-130[kde-workspace] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20111002205943-gyhplca32yzfvawe * debian/ (changelog man/kdm.1) Fix manpage path reference to KDM readme file (LP: #630971)20:59
bulldog98!search logitech21:00
ubottuFound: 21:00
bulldog98~search logitech21:00
kubotuResults for logitech: 1. Logitech – Get immersed in the digital world with a mouse, keyboard ...: http://www.logitech.com/ | 2. Product Support - Logitech: http://www.logitech.com/support-downloads?debug=0 | 3. Logitech - Webcams & HD Web Cameras: http://www.logitech.com/en-us/webcam-communications/webcams21:00
bulldog98!package logitech21:00
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about package logitech21:00
yofelhows's kdelibs doing?21:02
bulldog98yofel: 5mins and it’s up21:04
apacheloggerbulldog98: so21:04
apacheloggercan we get a look at the screenshot perhaps?21:04
bulldog98apachelogger: I’ll give you21:05
apacheloggerhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/701244/21:07
apacheloggeronly if one of those was detected it seems to add a tab21:08
bulldog98apachelogger: http://i.imgur.com/W47UZ.jpg21:09
apacheloggerright on21:10
apacheloggerI think this is an upstream issue21:10
apacheloggeror an ubuntu udev one, I do not feel comfortable adding a udev rule to workspace via packaging21:10
bulldog98apachelogger: so I’d add ubuntu udev, since it’s working if the rule is installed21:13
bulldog98but I’ll verify that again21:13
apacheloggerno21:13
apacheloggeryou should move the bug upstream21:13
apacheloggersee what they think about it21:14
apacheloggerand only if they do not want to ship a udev rule discuss it at ubuntu level21:14
apacheloggergoogle suggests other distros are also annoyed by this21:14
bulldog98apachelogger: so I should ask udev guys? (are the at freedesktop.org?)21:22
apacheloggeryou should ask kde21:23
apacheloggerI thought we fixed bug 84118121:34
ubottuLaunchpad bug 841181 in kdebase-workspace (Ubuntu) "package kdm (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-removal script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/84118121:34
* bulldog98 goes to bed21:37
yofelwithout the apt term.log that bug is useless21:38
apacheloggeryofel: checkout the description21:38
apacheloggerfor some reason kdm.config is missing21:39
yofelI fear there's not much we can do there21:40
yofelthat's dpkg erroring out on --purge if a conffile is missing21:40
yofelit shouldn't do that IMO21:41
apacheloggerwell21:44
apacheloggerwhere did the file go21:44
apacheloggerlike we had that issue with duplicated removal21:44
apacheloggerbut I think that was 10.1021:44
yofeluser removed it? or renamed it?21:44
apacheloggeryofel: you better ask the user :P21:44
yofelbefore upstart override files that was a common way to disable a service21:44
yofelScottK: can you take a look at bug 864651 when you've got some free time? no hurry21:47
ubottuLaunchpad bug 864651 in natty-backports "Please backport kile 2.1.0-1ubuntu1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/86465121:47
yofelapachelogger: might as well do that21:48
apacheloggerafiestas: do you have an idea on bug 77942121:49
ubottuLaunchpad bug 779421 in kdebase-workspace (Ubuntu) "Battery status applet always shows 100%" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/77942121:49
apacheloggeryofel: bug 78632321:49
ubottuLaunchpad bug 786323 in kdebase-workspace (Ubuntu) "package kdm (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-removal script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/78632321:49
apacheloggeryofel: bug 78508121:50
ubottuLaunchpad bug 785081 in kdebase-workspace (Ubuntu) "package kdm (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: le sous-processus script post-removal installé a retourné une erreur de sortie d'état 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/78508121:50
yofeljajajaja...21:50
apacheloggerbug 802102 is the shitz though21:50
ubottuLaunchpad bug 802102 in kdebase-workspace (Ubuntu) "package kdm 4:4.6.2a-0ubuntu5.2 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/80210221:50
apacheloggeralso not our OS21:50
apachelogger!21:50
yofelwell, that at least has a kdm package version in the report...21:52
yofelI guess the others are 4.6.2a too21:52
apacheloggeryofel: bug 77501121:55
ubottuLaunchpad bug 775011 in kdebase-workspace (Ubuntu) "package kdm (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-removal script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/77501121:55
apacheloggeryofel: bug 75812421:56
ubottuLaunchpad bug 758124 in kdebase-workspace (Ubuntu) "package kdm (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-removal script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/75812421:56
apacheloggeryofel: bug 73198221:57
ubottuLaunchpad bug 731982 in kdebase-workspace (Ubuntu) "package kdm (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-removal script returned error exit status 1tmo" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/73198221:57
apacheloggeryofel: bug 72802521:57
ubottuLaunchpad bug 728025 in kdebase-workspace (Ubuntu) "package kdm (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-removal script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72802521:57
apacheloggerI think you are now required to do some duping :P21:57
apacheloggeryofel: bug 71160721:57
ubottuLaunchpad bug 711607 in kdebase-workspace (Ubuntu) "package kdm (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-removal script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/71160721:57
afiestasapachelogger: replied to the bug asking for feedback21:58
apacheloggergracias21:59
apacheloggerafiestas: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/76259322:26
ubottuUbuntu bug 762593 in kdebase-workspace (Ubuntu) "battery applet shows incorrect charge level" [Undecided,New]22:26
yofelbah, first had a kernel panic, and then had to explain to my dad how one does a photo panorama (in windows no less -.-)22:31
* yofel brings out a toast for nepomukstorage and akonadi_nepomuk_email_feeder eating up his eeePC's resources22:34
apacheloggerafiestas: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/63045822:41
ubottuUbuntu bug 630458 in kdebase-workspace (Ubuntu) "Powerdevil unable to control screen brightness on T60p" [Undecided,New]22:41
afiestasapachelogger: last one may be fixed in 4.7.2/3 you can backport the fi22:53
apacheloggerif you point me to it and if it is small enough22:54
afiestasthe first one (762593) I need some feedback, qdbus --system org.freedesktop.UPower output22:54
* yofel wonders how to reproduce that kdm issue22:54
afiestasapachelogger: better to test it a little bit before 22:54
apacheloggerso, we should SRU22:54
afiestasmaybe as an stable update22:54
afiestasapachelogger: 5dc645016aa8aaa5ed3b5fde2a5d53405e3ce71422:56
apacheloggerthx22:59
yofelok, maverick *is* broken22:59
yofelnatty is not22:59
apacheloggerfun23:00
apacheloggeryofel: please dupe up the reports though23:00
yofelI'll do so23:00
apacheloggerafiestas: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/47455223:01
ubottuUbuntu bug 474552 in kdebase-workspace (Ubuntu) "backlight fn keys not working on sony vaio with nouveau driver" [Undecided,New]23:01
apacheloggeralso https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/47782823:01
ubottuUbuntu bug 477828 in kdebase-workspace (Ubuntu) "When I use Fn+key increase/decrease brightness, Powerdevil brightness OSD is displayed but brightness doesn't change" [Undecided,New]23:01
afiestasapachelogger: not kde related, it should befixed somewhere else I think23:01
afiestasthe last one may be fixed by the sasme commit23:02
yofelright, in maverick kdm.postrm removes kdm.conf on purge and after that dpkg tries to do the same23:04
apacheloggerso we did not SRU it23:04
* apachelogger thought he asked someone to do that23:04
apachelogger:/23:04
apacheloggergod23:04
apacheloggerthese rotten old bugs do nothing for my nerves23:05
apacheloggerafiestas: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/50182423:09
ubottuUbuntu bug 501824 in kdebase-workspace (Ubuntu) "battery plasmoid in kde 4.3.85 does not decrease/increase brightness consistently" [Undecided,New]23:09
afiestasapachelogger: too old? we need 4.6 testing at least23:09
afiestassice we are using upower now instead of HAL23:09
apacheloggerok23:10
apacheloggershadeslayer: scru you and your xps :P23:10
apacheloggerafiestas: I wonder if bug 504680 is a driver issue or a krandr one23:10
ubottuLaunchpad bug 504680 in kdebase-workspace (Ubuntu) "Blank Screen On Resolution Change" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/50468023:10
afiestasapachelogger: it may not be, test with 4.7.1 to be sure (I fixed a lot of stuff in that version)23:12
yofelbug #63470723:14
ubottuLaunchpad bug 634707 in kdebase-workspace (Ubuntu Maverick) "package kdm (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-removal script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/63470723:14
yofelapachelogger: there's your SRU that never got done23:14
* yofel goes duping23:15
yofelI'm wondering though why people are getting that with >> 4.6.0a 23:19
yofelit's practically impossible, unless dpkg didn't update the postrm23:19
yofeldid I mention the kwallet backend for python-keyring makes it impossible to use launchpadlib?23:22
yofelhttp://paste.kde.org/129697/23:23
apacheloggerpython is such a nice language23:28
apacheloggerI always start emitting ears of joy when I triage bugs and stumble upon ever so many python tracebacks23:29
apacheloggerin fact23:29
apacheloggerI dare someone to cleanup the kdeadmin package's bugs23:29
yofelmost of them are system-config-printer related?23:30
apacheloggerthere is also plasma plasmoids in pythorn23:30
apacheloggertop crash0r is veromix of course23:31
yofelbug 82740723:33
yofelfun23:33
ubottuLaunchpad bug 827407 in Kubuntu PPA "After upgrade to 4.7 kmail looses mails" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82740723:33
yofelapachelogger: btw. do you know where the icon for the activies plasma applet in the plasma widgetsexplorer (cashew -> add widgets) comes from?23:35
yofelit's missing23:35
apacheloggerscreenshot plz23:36
yofelhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/+bug/823830/+attachment/2265728/+files/activities.png23:36
ubottuUbuntu bug 823830 in Kubuntu PPA "Minor Glitches in KDE 4.7.0" [Undecided,Confirmed]23:36
yofelmissing in up-to-date oneiric too23:36
apacheloggersomeone shoudl check out bug 68206723:36
ubottuLaunchpad bug 682067 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "Not possible to log out and back in again" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/68206723:36
yofeland neon in fact23:37
apacheloggerbecause I'd close as kmsma23:37
apacheloggeryofel: I am not sure there is one really23:37
yofel...23:37
yofelthe widget oviously has an icon itself, shouldn't it just use that?23:38
yofellook fooey like this23:38
yofel*looks23:38
apachelogger>>> grep Icon plasma-applet-org.kde.showActivityManager.desktop 23:38
apacheloggerIcon=activities23:38
apachelogger>>> locate activites.png23:38
apachelogger<<< 01:38.28 Mon Oct 03 2011!/usr/share/kde4/services 23:38
apachelogger>>> locate activites |grep png23:38
apachelogger<<< 01:38.42 Mon Oct 03 2011!/usr/share/kde4/services 23:38
apacheloggerthere is no icon23:38
yofelthere is a preferences-activities.png which is used by the applet itself23:41
yofelguess I'll file an upstream bug later23:41
apacheloggeryofel: bug 78508123:46
ubottuLaunchpad bug 785081 in kdebase-workspace (Ubuntu) "package kdm (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: le sous-processus script post-removal installé a retourné une erreur de sortie d'état 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/78508123:46
apacheloggerafiestas: bug 51022923:47
ubottuLaunchpad bug 510229 in sysvinit (Ubuntu) "KDE Power Applet doesn't work at startup" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/51022923:47
yofelsysvinit?23:47
yofelah23:48

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