[00:44] <claydoh> ScottK: thanks for the bug and tray applet
[00:46] <claydoh> ScottK: thanks for the bug and tray applet
[00:47] <claydoh> I am soo busy at work, I won't be able to get a lot done in a writeup till tuesday, a had a hard lock runnig a vm or (more likely) accidentally running akonadi while virtualbox was running did the trick, then I went to bed :(
[00:56] <ScottK> afiestas: If we can get testing on an updated snapshot in Kubuntu today was can probably get an upload in late Sunday.
[01:08] <afiestas> ScottK: have you read the email I sent?
[01:11] <ScottK> afiestas: I did.
[01:12] <ScottK> afiestas: If we are going to update, then we need to get the snapshot packaged and tested very soon.
[04:05] <CIA-130> [kdelibs] Jonathan Thomas <echidnaman@kubuntu.org> * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20111002040526-s6m207q73hs3jllc * debian/ (3 files in 2 dirs) Add kubuntu_fix_kextendableitemdelegate_crash.diff from upstream (Commit fc923ff9 to the 4.7 branch) to fix a crash visible in Muon.
[04:06] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Are you uploading that then?
[04:06] <JontheEchidna> yep
[04:06] <ScottK> OK.  I'll stay awake long enough to accept it.
[04:08] <JontheEchidna> thanks
[04:18] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Accepted.  Thanks.
[11:03] <shadeslayer> \o
[11:06] <yofel> morning
[11:28] <allee> yofel: morning
[11:28] <allee> shadeslayer: o/
[11:29] <allee> my morning was not so good:  I tried to use kdepim.   So far a failure. even with a newly created account
[11:30] <allee> Is it only me, but for a new user first login seem to succeed, then kdm greeter appears.  
[11:32] <yofel> allee: natty + 4.? or oneiric?
[11:32] <allee> kbuildsycoca4(8936) KBuildServiceFactory::createEntry: Invalid Service :  "/usr/share/applications/kde4/koffice.desktop" 
[11:32] <allee> kbuildsycoca4(8936) KConfigGroup::readXdgListEntry: List entry Categories in "/usr/share/applications/kde4/bluedevil-network-panu.desktop" is not compliant with XDG standard (missing trailing semicolon). 
[11:32] <allee> kbuildsycoca4(8936) KConfigGroup::readXdgListEntry: List entry Categories in "/usr/share/applications/im-switch.desktop" is not compliant with XDG standard (missing trailing semicolon). 
[11:32] <allee> "KConfigIni: In file /tmp/kde-pim-test/kconf_updatehX8937.tmp, line 1: " Invalid entry (missing '=') 
[11:32] <allee> QDBusObjectPath: invalid path ""
[11:32] <allee> QObject::connect: Cannot connect (null)::deviceFound(Device*) to BlueDevilDaemon::deviceFound(Device*)
[11:32] <allee> QObject::connect: Cannot connect QTimer::timeout() to (null)::stopDiscovery()
[11:32] <allee> kded(8935) LayoutMemoryPersister::restoreFromFile: Failed to open layout memory xml file for reading "/home/pim-test/.kde/share/apps/kded/session/keyboard/layout_memory.xml" error: 5 
[11:32] <allee> Connecting to deprecated signal QDBusConnectionInterface::serviceOwnerChanged(QString,QString,QString)
[11:32] <allee> Object::connect: No such slot NetworkManagementService::finishInitialization()
[11:32] <allee> Object::connect: No such signal QDBusAbstractInterface::Changed()
[11:33] <allee> QDBusConnection: name 'org.kde.kglobalaccel' had owner '' but we thought it was ':1.11'
[11:33] <allee> QPixmap::handle(): Pixmap is not an X11 class pixmap
[11:33] <allee> kded4: Fatal IO error: client killed
[11:33] <allee> kglobalaccel: Fatal IO error: client killed
[11:33] <allee> kdeinit4: Fatal IO error: client killed
[11:33] <allee> kdeinit4: sending SIGHUP to children.
[11:33] <allee> Qt-subapplication: Fatal IO error: client killed
[11:33] <allee> klauncher: Exiting on signal 1
[11:33] <allee> kdeinit4: Fatal IO error: client killed
[11:33] <allee> kdeinit4: sending SIGHUP to children.
[11:33] <yofel> a) pastebin please... b) o.O
[11:33] <allee> upps. sorry.  Whated to paste the url not the content
[11:33] <allee> yofel: oneiric.  Last update 3 hours ago
[11:33] <allee> I know :(
[11:33] <yofel> hm, I just logged in on updated oneiric fine
[11:34] <yofel> not a new user though
[11:34] <allee> http://paste.ubuntu.com/700989/
[11:34] <allee> yofel: after updates the logout after 10 sec append also my existing user.  
[11:35] <allee> but there I blamed the update. 
[11:36]  * allee looks into the login failure probem ...
[11:38] <allee> afiestas: FYI bluedevil-network-{dun,panu}.desktop files somewhere miss a ';'  (see your .xsession error ;)
[11:42] <yofel> okaaaay...
[11:42]  * allee votes for an alternative shortcut  for copy, cut and paste:    ctrl-shift-{p,x,v}  as used by konsole.
[11:43] <yofel> I just tried to open firefox and got logged out o.O
[11:43] <yofel> hehe
[11:44] <yofel> hm...
[11:45] <yofel> Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "canberra-gtk-module"
[11:45] <yofel> kded4: Fatal IO error: client killed
[11:45] <yofel> o.O
[11:49] <yofel> installed libcanberra-gtk-module again and no crash so far
[11:51] <yofel> but it missing causing a crash in kded is ridiculous
[11:53] <allee> yofel: Firefox works here and the libcan..module is not installed.  So it's (non-standard) a kded service that crashes?
[11:53] <allee> nevertheless.   Definitely a pkg is missing a Depends: .. libcanberra-gtk-module
[11:54] <yofel> well, firefox should recommend it I think as it's not really required
[12:38]  * yofel goes searching for some missing icons - bug 823830 and bug 830447
[12:38] <yofel> they're missing in oneric too
[12:48] <apachelogger> ScottK: how does lowfat relate to an activity?
[12:49] <apachelogger> doubtlessly one acitivity can have less mem consumption than another acitivity but one can also have less mem consumption without an acitvity
[12:50] <apachelogger> that is to say ... low fat has a wider scope than what the activity paradigm actual represents
[13:06] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Can you check if kffmpegthumbnailer works in Dolphin?
[13:07] <Quintasan> KDE needs some video thumbnailer inside
[13:09] <apachelogger> check the channle logs
[13:10] <yofel> what the F****
[13:11] <Quintasan> apachelogger: For what? kffmpegthumbnailer? How long ago was that
[13:11] <apachelogger> for talk about the thumbnailer business
[13:11] <Quintasan> yofel: Sup?
[13:11] <yofel> I enabled kffmpegthumbnailer in dolpin, clicked on apply and the color scheme for all already opened windows changed o.O
[13:11] <yofel> natty + 4.7
[13:12] <Quintasan> yofel: It works?
[13:12] <yofel> it didn't change the setting though, new windows have the right colors, only the widows that are already open changed...
[13:12] <yofel> it does in natty, lemme try to find something on my eeePC to test...
[13:14] <apachelogger> prn
[13:14]  * Quintasan looks @ log and finds nothing
[13:14] <yofel> log from quite a while ago
[13:14] <Quintasan> Ah
[13:17] <yofel> Quintasan: WFM on oneiric
[13:17] <Quintasan> Cool
[13:17] <Quintasan> Then it's just broken here
[13:17] <Quintasan> oh btw
[13:18] <Quintasan> yofel: http://paste.kde.org/129535 <--- do you have those packages holded by apt as well?
[13:18] <yofel> no
[13:18] <Quintasan> hmm
[13:18] <Quintasan> Ah
[13:18] <Quintasan> ninjas were uncommented
[13:19] <Quintasan> Doesnt change a thing
[13:19] <Quintasan> wtf
[13:21] <yofel> Quintasan: can you either use aptitude (if you don't use multiarch), or: apt-get dist-upgrade -u -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=true
[13:22] <Quintasan> It pulls a shitload of :i386 packages
[13:22] <Quintasan> let's see if it works
[13:22] <Quintasan> yofel: If I am not back soon then something has failed :P
[13:43] <ScottK> apachelogger: It could be, but from the sounds of the upstream discussion on the future of power management, it seemed like another way to do it.
[13:56] <apachelogger> I haven't read the discussion ... but it is essentially the same thing with scope ... except that an activity can influence the policy for pm
[13:57] <apachelogger> such as no-screen of when on mediacenter activity
[13:57] <apachelogger> s/of/off
[14:01] <afiestas> apachelogger:  ScottK: long story short about power management: only a feature used by 0.0001% is going to be moved somewhere else
[14:04]  * yofel goes upgrading his desktop to oneiric
[14:52] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: pingpingpng
[14:53] <shadeslayer> pong pong ponh
[14:53] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: uds on ios?!
[14:53] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: haven't had the time to set up everything yet @_@
[14:53] <apachelogger> -.-
[14:54] <shadeslayer> lemme start cloning Qt ... something thats going to take forever
[14:55] <apachelogger> you don't have a clone around?
[14:55] <shadeslayer> nope
[14:55] <shadeslayer> haven't had the need for one till now
[14:55] <apachelogger> oh my
[14:56] <shadeslayer> oh one sec
[14:56] <shadeslayer> lemme see if i can copy stuff from the other user
[14:57] <shadeslayer> nope, no Qt clones
[14:58] <shadeslayer> cloning started, wait for ... 3 days before it completes :P
[14:58] <shadeslayer> brr
[14:59] <shadeslayer> I'm pretty sure my ISP will log me out at 11 PM
[15:00] <bulldog98_> shadeslayer: maybe apachelogger should send you a DVD with the Repro on it :P
[15:00] <shadeslayer> that would probably be faster :P
[15:00] <shadeslayer> O_O ... 2 % done already
[15:00] <shadeslayer> ok, there's some home
[15:00] <shadeslayer> *hope
[15:00] <bambee> morning
[15:09] <apachelogger> bulldog98_: I do not think my clone fits on a DVD :P
[15:10]  * apachelogger has like 3000 remotes and a bazillion branches
[15:10] <bulldog98_> apachelogger: but you could clone qt for shadeslayer and burn it, it would still be faster :P
[15:11] <apachelogger> indeed
[15:17] <shadeslayer> i have to download xcode as well after this :S
[15:20] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: maybe you should have started with downloads that weekend you said you were going to then...
[15:20] <shadeslayer> it slipped my mind 
[15:23] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I should have everything setup by tomorrow probably
[15:23] <shadeslayer> if everything goes as planned
[15:25] <shadeslayer> bwahahaha : http://cl.ly/2E3P3W2y1A0G3S1S3e1O
[15:41] <apachelogger> not even qtsdk with all toolchains is that fat
[15:43] <apachelogger> did I already ask what features a mobile uds app could use?
[15:43] <bulldog98_> apachelogger: show the way to the next food shop?
[15:44] <apachelogger> already there 
[15:44] <apachelogger> sorta
[15:44] <apachelogger> that is what the map tab is for
[15:44] <bulldog98_> apachelogger: show pics of the people in an session?
[15:45] <apachelogger> bulldog98_: pics?
[15:45] <apachelogger> like launchpad user mugshots?
[15:45] <bulldog98_> yep
[15:45] <apachelogger> hmmm
[15:45] <apachelogger> might only be possible in the next version, once we switch to the rest api
[15:46] <bulldog98> showing partys etc
[15:47] <apachelogger> oh, we got that already
[15:47] <apachelogger> parties are in the regular schedule
[15:48] <apachelogger> might be worth to show them collectively somewhere
[15:53]  * apachelogger wonders if soyuz is still being developed or if OBS is now getting integrated
[15:53] <apachelogger> I think no bug I ever filed against launchpad was ever fixed :(
[15:57] <yofel> uh... they aren't integrating OBS, or else there wouldn't be that many bugs
[15:58] <apachelogger> well
[15:59] <apachelogger> as I said so many times, integrations OBS into launchpad and improve its debian support would be a worthwhile investment
[16:16] <shadeslayer> 61 % cloning done
[16:30] <shadeslayer> I'm guessing KDE 4.7.2 will be SRU'd ?
[16:31] <apachelogger> yeah
[16:31] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: if you package it
[16:31] <apachelogger> yofel: can you get packaging staretd please
[16:31] <shadeslayer> will probably start tomorrow
[16:31] <shadeslayer> have to prepare a presentation right now
[16:32] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: your iOS stuff is eating up all my bandwidth anyway :P
[16:32] <apachelogger> "influence of the prn industry on adoption of new technologies in the market"?
[16:32] <shadeslayer> "influence of the prn industry on adoption of new OSS technologies in the market"
[16:33] <apachelogger> ic
[16:33] <shadeslayer> and something about the PIC microcontrollre
[16:33] <shadeslayer> *microcontroller
[16:34] <apachelogger> that sounds a tad boring
[16:35] <shadeslayer> it is
[16:41] <nigelb> apachelogger: oye
[16:41] <nigelb> launchpad isn't *that* bad:)
[16:41] <yofel> apachelogger: wth is that?
[16:42] <yofel> nigelb: do you really want my bug list? ^^
[16:42] <apachelogger> nigelb: comparing soyuz to OBS I'd say there is a 1000% difference in usefulness
[16:42]  * yofel loves the realtime buildlog on OBS...
[16:42] <nigelb> apachelogger: soyuz sucks, everyone knows. But launchpad itself isn't that bad.
[16:42] <nigelb> I like the bug tracker.
[16:43] <yofel> well ok, malone I can live with
[16:43] <apachelogger> well, it is much to big a piece of software IMHO
[16:43] <yofel> but soyuz and the source imports tend to annoy me
[16:43] <nigelb> soyuz annoys everyone, sadly.
[16:43] <yofel> since I manage to hit a bug at least once a month
[16:43] <apachelogger> like the entire blueprint system could be canned as it does not nearly life up to its potential
[16:44] <nigelb> well, blueprints are getting killed soon.
[16:44] <yofel> nigelb: is there a replacements for the todo lists?
[16:44] <apachelogger> so what features are left...
[16:44] <yofel> *replacement
[16:44] <apachelogger> projects which is really just a gateway feature
[16:45] <apachelogger> then you got code which wants you to use bzr if you want to use lunchpad
[16:45] <nigelb> yofel: Its getting some sort of merge with bugs
[16:45] <apachelogger> and malone, which quite frankly might be the most useful part of launchpad to begin with
[16:45] <yofel> nigelb: ok, that actually sounds somewhat reasonable
[16:46] <yofel> answers.launchpad.net isn't that bad either
[16:46] <apachelogger> a merge would supposedly also kill quite some wishlist items on malone WRT dep tracking between bugs
[16:46] <apachelogger> which is one feature I *really* miss
[16:47] <yofel> hm, version tracking ala bugs.debian.org style is something I miss
[16:47] <apachelogger> you really cannot track complicated stuff in malone right now
[16:47] <apachelogger> or if you try it would lead to a misrepresentation of reality
[16:47] <apachelogger> like you have one bug affect 5 packages, even though they form indivdual steps to resolve a super bug
[16:48] <apachelogger> yofel: answers also doesn't life up to its potential
[16:48] <apachelogger> plus underused
[16:48] <apachelogger> plus essentially deprecated by askubuntu
[16:48] <yofel> hm, true
[16:48] <nigelb> well, answers for *ubuntu* probably is deprecated
[16:48]  * apachelogger is someone who likes to trim software if work force does not suffice anyway ^^
[16:48] <nigelb> but not for other proejcts
[16:48] <apachelogger> so I am very biased here
[16:49] <nigelb> heh
[16:49] <nigelb> apachelogger: did you finish the uds app?
[16:49] <yofel> apachelogger: back on topic, what's staretd?
[16:49] <apachelogger> nigelb: which leads back to the problem that answers is very underdeveloped and if you actually need such a solution you would be turning somewhere else
[16:50] <apachelogger> yofel: you should prepare for 4.7.2
[16:50] <apachelogger> wiki page, get the people and stuff
[16:50] <apachelogger> tars are up I hear
[16:50] <yofel> oh right
[16:50] <yofel> I'll have dinner now, but I can do the wiki stuff before that
[16:50] <apachelogger> nigelb: no, I am still waiting on a UI design from rbelem
[16:51] <apachelogger> non-ui is pretty much in line though for first release
[16:52] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: qt cloned \o/
[16:52] <apachelogger> yay
[16:52] <apachelogger> get cracking
[16:52] <yofel> oh fun, dirk is already having problems ^^
[16:52] <apachelogger> eh
[16:52] <apachelogger> building
[16:52] <shadeslayer> heh
[16:52] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: nope, still downloading xcode
[16:52] <apachelogger> yofel: that is because he is using inferior release scripting :P
[16:53] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you can build qt without xcode, no?
[16:53] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: nope, xcode installs the compiler and everything iirc
[16:54] <apachelogger> what a drag
[16:55] <shadeslayer> :P
[16:55] <shadeslayer> 8 Hours remaining
[16:55] <apachelogger> good lord
[16:57] <shadeslayer> hehe :)
[16:58] <yofel> you should've probably cloned it on my server, tarred and xz -9 -ed it, and sftpd that
[16:58] <apachelogger> yofel has a point there
[16:58] <apachelogger> also http should start compressing everything with xz :P
[16:58] <shadeslayer> well, why didn't apachelogger think of that before
[16:59]  * apachelogger does not think of silly distributors shipping stuff that is not distributed in sane manner
[16:59] <apachelogger> that sentence was all sorts of confusing
[16:59] <shadeslayer> wtf
[16:59] <shadeslayer> 1 Day remaining
[16:59]  * yofel notes that plymouth + nouveau is still broken in oneiric after  upgrading
[16:59] <shadeslayer> 2 days now -.-
[17:01] <yofel> off for dinner, bbiab
[17:01] <apachelogger> is that apple's server being crap?
[17:01] <apachelogger> you might really go through yofel, surely his speed is less influenced by thousends of software patent supporters
[17:02] <shadeslayer> nope, it's because jenkins started a build on my server
[17:03] <apachelogger> that does not compute
[17:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://build.kde.org/job/kdepim-runtime-test/
[17:03] <apachelogger> why does a build make your download take longer?!
[17:04] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: it clones repos and sync's everything
[17:04] <shadeslayer> with the master node
[17:04] <apachelogger> it does new clones everytime? :O
[17:04] <apachelogger> oh oho h
[17:04] <apachelogger> actually
[17:04] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that is distributed?
[17:04] <shadeslayer> no, it updates it and everything
[17:04] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yus
[17:04] <apachelogger> so....
[17:05] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: whoever is in charge should talk to muesli about moving phonon and tomahawk there and add the tomahawk hudson server as a node
[17:05] <apachelogger> also someone should tell me how we can make our ARM machines nodes
[17:05] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: talk to tnyblom
[17:05] <shadeslayer> Torgny Nyblom  that is
[17:05]  * apachelogger is all busy with getting high
[17:18] <bulldog98> guys kdepim-runtime has an override issue: http://paste.kde.org/129583/
[17:19] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: you uploaded it ^
[17:20] <shadeslayer> eh
[17:20] <shadeslayer> how the heck did it land in -dev
[17:21] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: hm
[17:22] <bulldog98> add breaks kdepim-runtime-dev I’d say
[17:22] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: obviously the 4.6 package is bad 
[17:22] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: yes but it was installed via one of our ppas
[17:22] <yofel> !ninjas | work to do: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging
[17:23] <shadeslayer> that didn't work :P
[17:23]  * bulldog98 doesn’t have time tomorrow, but I’ll try to do something in university at tuesday
[17:23] <yofel> bulldog98: 4.6.0 doesn't exist anywhere anymore
[17:23] <yofel> !ninjas
[17:23] <yofel> now :)
[17:23]  * apachelogger undresses
[17:24] <bulldog98> yofel: yes I don’t know either why this happened
[17:24] <yofel> bulldog98: well, I know that files shifted around quite a bit in our kdepim packages with someone, you, me and even more people messing with the install files
[17:25] <yofel> and we don't add Breaks/Replaces for PPA packages usually
[17:25] <bulldog98> ok
[17:26] <apachelogger> yofel: we do
[17:26] <apachelogger> except usually it is not necessary to do it against a ppa version specifically
[17:27] <yofel> ah, might have been me then dropping something at some point
[17:28] <yofel> ok now... why doesn't kgetsource have any help?
[17:28] <bulldog98> yofel: which version are you using?
[17:28] <shadeslayer> because its documentation is probably in its commit
[17:28] <yofel> bulldog98: trunk
[17:28] <bulldog98> yofel: I could add one
[17:29]  * yofel reads some ruby
[17:29] <bulldog98> yofel: kgetsource PACKAGE
[17:29] <bulldog98> gives you latest stable
[17:30] <yofel> hm, it obviously relies on khighestversion being in PATH
[17:30] <bulldog98> yofel: yes
[17:31]  * yofel runs dpkg-buildpackage
[17:35] <yofel> heh, for oxygen-icons I really would like to have a progress-bar ^^
[17:40] <yofel> any reason why it puts stuff into build-area/ ?
[17:40] <yofel> I would prefer the current folder
[17:45] <bulldog98> yofel: that was the behaviour it used to be (putting in build-area) haven’t touched that, since it’s apachelogger’s work :)
[17:45] <yofel> ah
[17:45] <apachelogger> cause bzr builddeb expects it to be there
[17:45] <yofel> nvm anyway, I'll stop using that script as it does a half-way work anyway
[17:45] <apachelogger> or something or nothing
[17:45]  * yofel doesn't use bzr-builddeb
[17:46] <apachelogger> that is a bug then
[17:47] <allee> VPNC still broken oneiric.  Patch was:  http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/tmp/nm-plasmiod-fix-vpnc.diff
[17:47] <yofel> true, it expects it there, odd bzr
[17:47] <allee> bambee cyphermox ScottK  ^^ anyone upload?
[17:47] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://cl.ly/221E351x0p3p1d1h2k3B
[17:47] <shadeslayer> so i do need the iphone simulator compiler thingy
[17:48] <yofel> ok, now I think I get how this is meant to work
[17:48] <yofel> usable
[17:48] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: are you on the right branch?
[17:48] <apachelogger> oh
[17:48] <apachelogger> yeah, that might be the problem
[17:49] <apachelogger> https://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qt/blobs/4.8/src/plugins/platforms/uikit/README
[17:52] <shadeslayer> yeah, need to switch branches
[17:54] <bulldog98> apachelogger: why does klinksource doesnot properly work with kdelibs?
[17:55] <apachelogger> what does klinksource do?
[17:55] <apachelogger> ...probably because we call it kde4libs
[17:56] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: You don't seem to have 'make' or 'gmake' in your PATH.
[17:56] <shadeslayer> xD
[17:57] <apachelogger> gmake?
[17:57] <apachelogger> lol
[17:57] <bulldog98> apachelogger: it names it kdelibs… but should name that kde4libs…
[17:57] <yofel> hmm.. someone an idea how does one tell debuild which gpg key to use for signing?
[17:57] <bulldog98> yofel: debuild -k ?
[17:57] <apachelogger> bulldog98: yeah, that will need an override
[17:58] <shadeslayer> yeah i know 
[17:58] <yofel> bulldog98: hm, I'll try that
[17:58] <apachelogger> yofel: -kID or -k"Name"
[17:58] <bulldog98> apachelogger: do you want to fix that, or should I?
[17:58] <yofel> yeah, a bit unhandy though if I need to pass that every time
[17:58] <apachelogger> bulldog98: you
[17:58]  * yofel should probably just revoke his old key
[17:58] <apachelogger> I seem not to have enough motivation
[18:02]  * bulldog98 will first eat something :)
[18:05]  * yofel wonders if one can make bzr builddeb add a ~ppa1 suffix
[18:07] <apachelogger> do not over estimate our tools
[18:07] <apachelogger> one could do that though
[18:07] <apachelogger> export ... add entry ... buildpackage
[18:08] <bambee> allee: I've not rights to archives
[18:08] <bambee> ask a kubuntu dev or a core dev
[18:08] <bambee> apachelogger perhaps...
[18:08] <bambee> :p
[18:17] <shadeslayer> alright, i'm off to bed
[18:17] <yofel> gn
[18:23] <bulldog98> gn
[18:36] <CIA-130> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/oxygen-icons] Philip Muškovac * 86 * debian/changelog New upstream release
[18:36] <CIA-130> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/meta-kde] Philip Muškovac * 15 * debian/ (changelog rules) Bump dev:latestVersino to 4.7.2
[18:38] <bulldog98> yofel: smokegen is next :)
[18:50] <CIA-130> [lp:kubuntu-dev-tools] Jonathan Kolberg * 125 * bin/ (kgetsource klinksource) Fixed an issue with kdelib naming and fixed kgetsource with specific version
[18:50] <allee> apachelogger, ScottK: not uploaded yet.  oneiric vpnc fix for nm:   http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/tmp/nm-plasmiod-fix-vpnc.diff
[18:51] <bulldog98> apachelogger: fixed
[18:55] <CIA-130> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/smokegen] Philip Muškovac * 12 * debian/changelog New upstream release
[18:57] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: ping
[19:00] <CIA-130> [lp:kubuntu-dev-tools] Jonathan Kolberg * 126 * bin/klinksource Fixed an small issue in klinksource
[19:07] <CIA-130> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/smokeqt] Philip Muškovac * 10 * debian/changelog New upstream release
[19:09] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: yes?
[19:10] <bulldog98> yofel: only 10% left
[19:10] <bulldog98> of kdelibs
[19:10] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: Would it make sence to learn C++ with KDE/Kubuntu? Or, should I learn it first then add Qt with it?
[19:10] <yofel> sure, I'm doing perqt and qtruby in the meantime
[19:10] <yofel> *perlqt
[19:11] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: depends on what you want to do
[19:11] <apachelogger> generally it would be: learn C, learn C++, learn Qt, learn KDE
[19:12] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: woot. This will take a while then :D
[19:12]  * yofel is somewhere at the c++ step
[19:13] <DarkwingDuck> I was thinking of taking the easy way out and learning python then PyQt
[19:14] <apachelogger> where the things to learn in the first two would be: c... memory management, pointers, arrays, general syntax; c++... memory management, classes, references, templates (although that can be learned later)
[19:15] <apachelogger> with qt and kde it is just a matter of learning how to create an initial app and then hack on something specific to get used to API and learn about existing classes
[19:15] <DarkwingDuck> So it's actually less then it looks.
[19:16] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: again depending on what you want to do ... with pyqt you would most definitely have to digg quite a bit into unit testing, or automatic testing in general
[19:16] <apachelogger> to make up for the missing type safety and compile time compiler checks
[19:16]  * bulldog98 never has learned to write more than a hello world (or small calculator in C or C++)
[19:17] <bulldog98> but I can write Qt and KDE apps :)
[19:18] <apachelogger> the point is not to write code, the point is to understand the concepts and how one uses them in the respective language
[19:19] <bulldog98> apachelogger: yes I understand C and C++ code, but I do not want to code in C or C++ unless I can use Qt or KDE
[19:22] <CIA-130> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/perlqt] Philip Muškovac * 13 * debian/changelog New upstream release
[19:24] <ScottK> apachelogger: I have to go to the airport and get on an airplane.  Can you take care of the NM vpnc fix?
[19:30] <bulldog98> yofel: there is at least one missing stuff
[19:30] <yofel> otherwise it would be boring
[19:31] <bulldog98> ?
[19:31] <yofel> well, what's missing?
[19:31] <bulldog98> yofel: I mean in the symbol file
[19:31] <yofel> right
[19:33] <bulldog98> yofel: had a problem with space (the log is gone)
[19:34] <yofel> get yourself a larger HDD
[19:34] <bulldog98> btw is there a way to tell apt, that it should delete the downloaded packages after installing them?
[19:34] <bulldog98> yofel: it was a tmpfs build
[19:35] <bulldog98> run out of space, couse ~300 packages were in the tarball
[19:37] <yofel> hm, the buildlog shouldn't be in the tmpfs though
[19:38] <yofel> bulldog98: well, you can run apt-get clean right after it
[19:38] <bulldog98> yofel: hm is there no way to set that in an config file?
[19:40] <yofel> read the apt.conf manpage, there is an APT::Clean setting
[19:40] <bulldog98> yofel: that’s what I was up to do :)
[19:42]  * yofel has a cron job that runs this:
[19:42] <yofel> find /var/cache/apt/archives/ -atime +7 -exec rm -f -- '{}' \;
[19:42] <yofel> remove all debs that haven't been accessed in a week
[19:43] <CIA-130> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/qtruby] Philip Muškovac * 10 * debian/changelog New upstream release
[19:43] <bulldog98> yofel: I use a apt-cacher, so I don’t need them to be cached :)
[19:43] <yofel> ah
[19:43] <bulldog98> twice
[19:47] <bulldog98> yofel: I also teached pbuilders to use that, maybe I could add an hook for that?
[19:51] <yofel> wouldn't hurt to have in the collection I guess, ask apachelogger how to best fit it in, he wrote most of the hooks
[19:54] <bulldog98> apachelogger: a pbuilder generation hook would be best I guess.
[19:54] <bulldog98> maybe you should have to set a var to true in your rc to enable it
[19:56] <apachelogger> hm?
[19:58] <bulldog98> apachelogger: if you use a apt-cacher it’s useless to cache your files locally too. So it would make sense to force apt-get in an pbuilder to apt-get clean after each package installation
[19:58] <yofel> that only makes sense if you actually let pbuilder cache the fiels
[19:58] <yofel> *files
[19:59] <apachelogger> I do not compute
[20:00] <bulldog98> yofel: yeah that too
[20:14] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: did you know we had to submit a code sample for gsoc?
[20:17] <ScottK> Is Dario Freddi as much of an "difficult personality" in person as he is on email?
[20:17] <bulldog98> yofel: http://paste.kde.org/129679
[20:17]  * apachelogger only fondles dario usually
[20:17] <apachelogger> ScottK: nm is up btw
[20:17] <ScottK> Cool.
[20:17] <ScottK> Thaks
[20:17] <ScottK> Thanks even.
[20:18] <ScottK> Will look in a bit.
[20:24] <yofel> bulldog98: that shouldn't break anything, it's optional
[20:25] <bulldog98> ok
[20:32] <apachelogger> bulldog98: I do not get the problem of bug 94597
[20:34] <bulldog98> yofel: pushing
[20:40] <bulldog98> apachelogger: do you have any logitech mouse/trackball?
[20:43] <bulldog98> apachelogger: there is no udev rule that sets proper rights for logitech mouse device files, so it can be changed form within systemsettings
[20:44] <apachelogger> I do not see where I would edit logitech stuff in systemsettings?
[20:46] <bulldog98> apachelogger: the mouses have different dpi settings and you can configure them there
[20:47] <bulldog98> if everything is setup right
[20:47] <apachelogger> where?
[20:48] <bulldog98> apachelogger: have you an logitech mouse pluged into your pc, only then you’ll see it in inputdevices -> mouse -> Logitech …
[20:49] <apachelogger> there is no inputdevices->mouse->logitech
[20:49] <apachelogger> http://i.imgur.com/Sh5Z9.png
[20:55] <bulldog98> apachelogger: http://people.ubuntu.com/~bulldog98/logitech.jpeg
[20:56] <apachelogger> 403
[20:56] <apachelogger> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/630971
[20:56] <apachelogger> man
[20:59] <yofel> bulldog98: I've got a logitech keyboard/mouse and I don't have any settings there either
[20:59] <yofel> missing package?
[20:59] <CIA-130> [kde-workspace] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20111002205943-gyhplca32yzfvawe * debian/ (changelog man/kdm.1) Fix manpage path reference to KDM readme file (LP: #630971)
[21:00] <bulldog98> !search logitech
[21:00] <bulldog98> ~search logitech
[21:00] <kubotu> Results for logitech: 1. Logitech – Get immersed in the digital world with a mouse, keyboard ...: http://www.logitech.com/ | 2. Product Support - Logitech: http://www.logitech.com/support-downloads?debug=0 | 3. Logitech - Webcams & HD Web Cameras: http://www.logitech.com/en-us/webcam-communications/webcams
[21:00] <bulldog98> !package logitech
[21:02] <yofel> hows's kdelibs doing?
[21:04] <bulldog98> yofel: 5mins and it’s up
[21:04] <apachelogger> bulldog98: so
[21:04] <apachelogger> can we get a look at the screenshot perhaps?
[21:05] <bulldog98> apachelogger: I’ll give you
[21:07] <apachelogger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/701244/
[21:08] <apachelogger> only if one of those was detected it seems to add a tab
[21:09] <bulldog98> apachelogger: http://i.imgur.com/W47UZ.jpg
[21:10] <apachelogger> right on
[21:10] <apachelogger> I think this is an upstream issue
[21:10] <apachelogger> or an ubuntu udev one, I do not feel comfortable adding a udev rule to workspace via packaging
[21:13] <bulldog98> apachelogger: so I’d add ubuntu udev, since it’s working if the rule is installed
[21:13] <bulldog98> but I’ll verify that again
[21:13] <apachelogger> no
[21:13] <apachelogger> you should move the bug upstream
[21:14] <apachelogger> see what they think about it
[21:14] <apachelogger> and only if they do not want to ship a udev rule discuss it at ubuntu level
[21:14] <apachelogger> google suggests other distros are also annoyed by this
[21:22] <bulldog98> apachelogger: so I should ask udev guys? (are the at freedesktop.org?)
[21:23] <apachelogger> you should ask kde
[21:34] <apachelogger> I thought we fixed bug 841181
[21:37]  * bulldog98 goes to bed
[21:38] <yofel> without the apt term.log that bug is useless
[21:38] <apachelogger> yofel: checkout the description
[21:39] <apachelogger> for some reason kdm.config is missing
[21:40] <yofel> I fear there's not much we can do there
[21:40] <yofel> that's dpkg erroring out on --purge if a conffile is missing
[21:41] <yofel> it shouldn't do that IMO
[21:44] <apachelogger> well
[21:44] <apachelogger> where did the file go
[21:44] <apachelogger> like we had that issue with duplicated removal
[21:44] <apachelogger> but I think that was 10.10
[21:44] <yofel> user removed it? or renamed it?
[21:44] <apachelogger> yofel: you better ask the user :P
[21:44] <yofel> before upstart override files that was a common way to disable a service
[21:47] <yofel> ScottK: can you take a look at bug 864651 when you've got some free time? no hurry
[21:48] <yofel> apachelogger: might as well do that
[21:49] <apachelogger> afiestas: do you have an idea on bug 779421
[21:49] <apachelogger> yofel: bug 786323
[21:50] <apachelogger> yofel: bug 785081
[21:50] <yofel> jajajaja...
[21:50] <apachelogger> bug 802102 is the shitz though
[21:50] <apachelogger> also not our OS
[21:50] <apachelogger> !
[21:52] <yofel> well, that at least has a kdm package version in the report...
[21:52] <yofel> I guess the others are 4.6.2a too
[21:55] <apachelogger> yofel: bug 775011
[21:56] <apachelogger> yofel: bug 758124
[21:57] <apachelogger> yofel: bug 731982
[21:57] <apachelogger> yofel: bug 728025
[21:57] <apachelogger> I think you are now required to do some duping :P
[21:57] <apachelogger> yofel: bug 711607
[21:58] <afiestas> apachelogger: replied to the bug asking for feedback
[21:59] <apachelogger> gracias
[22:26] <apachelogger> afiestas: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/762593
[22:31] <yofel> bah, first had a kernel panic, and then had to explain to my dad how one does a photo panorama (in windows no less -.-)
[22:34]  * yofel brings out a toast for nepomukstorage and akonadi_nepomuk_email_feeder eating up his eeePC's resources
[22:41] <apachelogger> afiestas: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/630458
[22:53] <afiestas> apachelogger: last one may be fixed in 4.7.2/3 you can backport the fi
[22:54] <apachelogger> if you point me to it and if it is small enough
[22:54] <afiestas> the first one (762593) I need some feedback, qdbus --system org.freedesktop.UPower output
[22:54]  * yofel wonders how to reproduce that kdm issue
[22:54] <afiestas> apachelogger: better to test it a little bit before 
[22:54] <apachelogger> so, we should SRU
[22:54] <afiestas> maybe as an stable update
[22:56] <afiestas> apachelogger: 5dc645016aa8aaa5ed3b5fde2a5d53405e3ce714
[22:59] <apachelogger> thx
[22:59] <yofel> ok, maverick *is* broken
[22:59] <yofel> natty is not
[23:00] <apachelogger> fun
[23:00] <apachelogger> yofel: please dupe up the reports though
[23:00] <yofel> I'll do so
[23:01] <apachelogger> afiestas: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/474552
[23:01] <apachelogger> also https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/477828
[23:01] <afiestas> apachelogger: not kde related, it should befixed somewhere else I think
[23:02] <afiestas> the last one may be fixed by the sasme commit
[23:04] <yofel> right, in maverick kdm.postrm removes kdm.conf on purge and after that dpkg tries to do the same
[23:04] <apachelogger> so we did not SRU it
[23:04]  * apachelogger thought he asked someone to do that
[23:04] <apachelogger> :/
[23:04] <apachelogger> god
[23:05] <apachelogger> these rotten old bugs do nothing for my nerves
[23:09] <apachelogger> afiestas: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/501824
[23:09] <afiestas> apachelogger: too old? we need 4.6 testing at least
[23:09] <afiestas> sice we are using upower now instead of HAL
[23:10] <apachelogger> ok
[23:10] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: scru you and your xps :P
[23:10] <apachelogger> afiestas: I wonder if bug 504680 is a driver issue or a krandr one
[23:12] <afiestas> apachelogger: it may not be, test with 4.7.1 to be sure (I fixed a lot of stuff in that version)
[23:14] <yofel> bug #634707
[23:14] <yofel> apachelogger: there's your SRU that never got done
[23:15]  * yofel goes duping
[23:19] <yofel> I'm wondering though why people are getting that with >> 4.6.0a 
[23:19] <yofel> it's practically impossible, unless dpkg didn't update the postrm
[23:22] <yofel> did I mention the kwallet backend for python-keyring makes it impossible to use launchpadlib?
[23:23] <yofel> http://paste.kde.org/129697/
[23:28] <apachelogger> python is such a nice language
[23:29] <apachelogger> I always start emitting ears of joy when I triage bugs and stumble upon ever so many python tracebacks
[23:29] <apachelogger> in fact
[23:29] <apachelogger> I dare someone to cleanup the kdeadmin package's bugs
[23:30] <yofel> most of them are system-config-printer related?
[23:30] <apachelogger> there is also plasma plasmoids in pythorn
[23:31] <apachelogger> top crash0r is veromix of course
[23:33] <yofel> bug 827407
[23:33] <yofel> fun
[23:35] <yofel> apachelogger: btw. do you know where the icon for the activies plasma applet in the plasma widgetsexplorer (cashew -> add widgets) comes from?
[23:35] <yofel> it's missing
[23:36] <apachelogger> screenshot plz
[23:36] <yofel> https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/+bug/823830/+attachment/2265728/+files/activities.png
[23:36] <yofel> missing in up-to-date oneiric too
[23:36] <apachelogger> someone shoudl check out bug 682067
[23:37] <yofel> and neon in fact
[23:37] <apachelogger> because I'd close as kmsma
[23:37] <apachelogger> yofel: I am not sure there is one really
[23:37] <yofel> ...
[23:38] <yofel> the widget oviously has an icon itself, shouldn't it just use that?
[23:38] <yofel> look fooey like this
[23:38] <yofel> *looks
[23:38] <apachelogger> >>> grep Icon plasma-applet-org.kde.showActivityManager.desktop 
[23:38] <apachelogger> Icon=activities
[23:38] <apachelogger> >>> locate activites.png
[23:38] <apachelogger> <<< 01:38.28 Mon Oct 03 2011!/usr/share/kde4/services 
[23:38] <apachelogger> >>> locate activites |grep png
[23:38] <apachelogger> <<< 01:38.42 Mon Oct 03 2011!/usr/share/kde4/services 
[23:38] <apachelogger> there is no icon
[23:41] <yofel> there is a preferences-activities.png which is used by the applet itself
[23:41] <yofel> guess I'll file an upstream bug later
[23:46] <apachelogger> yofel: bug 785081
[23:47] <apachelogger> afiestas: bug 510229
[23:47] <yofel> sysvinit?
[23:48] <yofel> ah