[00:24] <g0rs> Daskreech: you here?
[00:24] <Daskreech> g0rs: yes
[00:24] <skierpage> (Kubuntu 11.04 is KDE 4.6.5)
[00:25] <g0rs> Daskreech: would you be interested to talk about working of  ubuntu or linux os  like OS layers , interfaces if you are familiar with that topic?
[00:26] <Daskreech> skierpage: hi
[00:26] <Daskreech> What are you looking for?
[00:26] <Daskreech> g0rs: sure what would you like to know
[00:26] <g0rs> Daskreech: I'm looking for design of linux os and maybe how ubuntu is meshed with it
[00:27] <Daskreech> Linux OS is the same setup as UNIX OS so anything pertaining to that will be applicable
[00:27] <skierpage> Daskreech, as I said I'm searching for some text (in files in a directory). `strigiclient` seems messed up.
[00:28] <Daskreech> skierpage: You can do that in dolphin or you can use grep from the command line
[00:28] <g0rs> Daskreech: it may not be an expert discussion and an overview might be okay
[00:28] <Daskreech> Your choice based on ease of use or speed
[00:28] <g0rs> Daskreech: for some reason my wlan router is not visible in gnome wlan client
[00:28] <g0rs> Daskreech: the same wlan is visible on kde
[00:29] <skierpage> Yup, Good news, Dolphin's Find [Content] [From here] does what I want.  But I normally don't use Dolphin.
[00:30] <skierpage> Is `strigiclient` supposed to work?  I've been running kubuntu for a few years, maybe it and this ~/.strigi with old clucene is just cruft.
[00:30] <skierpage> Daskreech, yup, I know and love `grep -ri sometext`, but it's kinda slow for 293 MB of documents.
[00:31] <Daskreech> g0rs: ok ask away
[00:31] <g0rs> Daskreech: i have to figure out where to begin :)
[00:32] <Daskreech> skierpage: Umm I think that strigiclient is intended to be used by programs mostly
[00:32] <mika_> hi, is there any problem with kubuntu? I used it few hours ago without problem, now I start it again and everything seems so slow, konsole doesn't open, firefox neither, and so other apps...
[00:33] <Daskreech> g0rs: What are you trying to find out?
[00:33] <mika_> also kickstart doesn't open...
[00:33] <Daskreech> skierpage: at somepoint I think that the dolphin interface should use that if it's on and kfind if it's not
[00:33] <g0rs> Daskreech: can you tellme any reason why my wlan is not visible in gnome but only in kde ?
[00:33] <Daskreech>  might just be using Kfind now depending on which version of KDE you are running
[00:34] <g0rs> Daskreech: there are other wlans which are visible in gnome
[00:34] <Daskreech> mika_: Kickstart?
[00:34] <Daskreech> g0rs: networkmanager is incompatible?
[00:34] <mika_> Daskreech: yeah, the kde menu
[00:34] <g0rs> Daskreech: network manager seems fine. It did work with a previous installation of gnome.
[00:34] <Daskreech> Ah right. Do you have the taskbar and panel mika_?
[00:35] <mika_> Daskreech: yes, default config
[00:35] <Daskreech> g0rs: Yes Gnome upgraded it's dependency on NetworkManager to 0.9 I think and NM 0.9 is API incompatible with 0.8 so you may have one DE looking for a NM that the other can't use
[00:35] <Daskreech> mika_: and alt+F1 doesn't work?
[00:37] <g0rs> Daskreech: should I install another wlan client like wpa or similar?
[00:37] <Daskreech> I'd just say Ignore GNOME :-D
[00:37] <g0rs> Daskreech: Gnome is really good :)
[00:37] <g0rs> Daskreech: are you more of a kde fan?
[00:38] <skierpage> Daskreech, good points, thanks! kfind doesn't seem to use strigi, talks about Unix slocate. There's a `deepfind` command-line for Nepomuk/strigi, I'm trying that.
[00:38] <Daskreech> I'm not sure what's going on with gnome though. If it's using the same backend then perhaps ask in #ubuntu if there is a problem or regression that is known
[00:38] <mika_> Daskreech: any idea? it doesn't open anything :(
[00:38] <Daskreech> skierpage: kfind is about as old as KDE2 so it shouldn't
[00:38] <g0rs> Daskreech: Thanks for the hint
[00:38]  * skierpage Oh nooes, strigiclient started up, about to kill my computer 8-/
[00:39]  * skierpage I mean strigidaemon, 52% CPU.
[00:40] <Daskreech> skierpage: :)
[00:41] <Daskreech> Yeah I just turn it on before bed and let it chew through stuff
[00:50] <skierpage> Daskreech, hold on, are you saying I should run strigidaemon? I have `/usr/bin/nepomukservicestub nepomukstrigiservice` in process list, surely KDE will run it for me.
[00:50] <Daskreech> skierpage: no just saying I'd let them do night runs to annoy me less while i was busy dreaming
[00:50] <linux> can someone know a mp3 download program?
[00:51] <Daskreech> !mp3
[00:51] <Daskreech> !audio
[00:51] <Daskreech> !players
[00:51] <linux> but for download, like songr for windows
[00:53] <g0rs> !codecs
[00:53] <well_laid_lawn> he wants free mp3's I think
[00:54] <linux> actually yes
[00:54] <well_laid_lawn> that's frowned upon in here
[00:54] <well_laid_lawn> try a torrent client
[00:54] <linux> ok
[00:54] <linux> any peer to peer?
[00:56] <well_laid_lawn> !p2p
[00:56] <linux> thnks so much for your help =)
[01:01] <g0rs> hello linux, can i pm you?
[01:03] <linux> yes
[01:03] <linux> of course
[01:13] <Daskreech> g0rs: Got your Linux  questions answered?
[01:14] <g0rs> Daskreech: yes
[01:14] <Daskreech> ok :)
[01:14] <g0rs> Daskreech: if you are intersted , we can talk about os internals ( only for curiosity) some other time.
[01:14] <Daskreech> Sure.
[01:15] <g0rs> Thanks
[01:33] <skierpage> There's a `deepgrep` command-line tool that seems to do fulltext searches, though it mostly reports internal errors ;-)
[01:35] <Daskreech> skierpage: pretty sure grep does text seraches
[01:35] <Daskreech> searches
[01:35] <skierpage> Someone ran into this exact problem with strigiclient/Nepomuk conflicts, http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=154&t=89491 ... wait, that was me! Aha ha ha!
[01:36] <Daskreech> skierpage: ah wait deepgrep uses strigi data. Ah lovely
[01:36] <Daskreech> so you can get data from compressed files
[01:36] <well_laid_lawn> grep -iRn stuff dir works fine for me
[01:37] <skierpage> Daskreech / well_laid_lawn, exactly.  KDE is indexing stuff for me, so I shouldn't have to grind through my disk when I have a big full-text index already.
[01:37] <Daskreech> skierpage: I agree. Kinda like Locate except for data
[01:38] <Daskreech> Ah and the maintainer for deepgrep just signed off IRC too
[01:38] <Daskreech> phooo
[01:39] <Martiini> kikk banning ruulezz ,, kick-bann klikkers around
[01:39] <Martiini> kikk me!
[01:39] <Martiini> kikk me!!
[01:39] <Martiini> kikk me!!
[01:39] <Martiini> kikk me!!
[01:40] <FloodBotK1> Martiini: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[01:40] <bazhang> Martiini, stop that
[01:54] <AmElder> Hello, newly installed Kubuntu-full along with my Gnome desktop, to try it out. One problem: the window manager isn't automatically handling the file system. Instead all directories try to open in Comix? How do I fix this?
[01:55] <Daskreech> AmElder: The window manager manages the windows not the files.
[01:55] <AmElder> right...
[01:56] <AmElder> Maybe I'm using the wrong words
[01:56] <AmElder> When I try to open a directory, it tries to open in a graphics application, not Dolphin or whatever the window manager is
[01:56] <g0rs> AmElder: what is comix?
[01:56] <AmElder> It's a .cbr viewer
[01:57] <g0rs> AmElder: okay, it always opened in dolphin for me
[01:57] <well_laid_lawn> right click a dir and select "open with"
[01:57] <AmElder> That's the behaviour I'd expect
[01:57] <g0rs> AmElder: probably you'd have to change assoications somewhere
[01:58] <g0rs> AmElder: not sure what could be reason. You might try Daskreech
[01:59] <Daskreech> AmElder: ah change the filetype then
[01:59] <AmElder> Daskreech, can you expand on that?
[01:59] <Daskreech> AmElder: alt+f2 -> associations
[01:59] <AmElder> Thank you, I'll try that
[01:59] <Daskreech> You are looking for inode -> Directory
[02:00] <Daskreech> Makesure that dolphin (or konqueror, krusader etc) is on top
[02:00] <AmElder> Easy as
[02:01] <AmElder> That looks much more like what I was expecting, thanks Daskreech
[02:01] <Daskreech> AmElder: was Comix on that list?
[02:01] <AmElder> Goodness knows why
[02:01] <AmElder> Yes, Comix was the first entry
[02:13] <Daskreech> AmElder: Yep that easy :)
[09:03] <jschall> is there a way to get automatic transcoding in amarok when transferring to a portable music device?
[10:18] <mika_> hi, is there any problem with kubuntu, since yestarday when I start it almost everything doesn't open anymore (dolphin, konsole, firefox, libre office, etc etc etc).. I don't know if it's some wrong update, my ssd that is dying or something else
[10:36] <mika_> anyone?
[11:03] <szal> mika_: error msgs?  checked filesystem?  what updates did you install recently?
[11:09] <mika_> szal: no errors in dmesg, actually any update, it's this that it's strange... I used it afternoon without problems, in the evening I got out, came back and had this situation
[11:12] <mika_> actually I forgot the fs check, I'll try with it
[11:54] <tonywade> hello
[12:01] <mudassar> does any body know about using the GLPK package ?
[12:02] <mudassar> for solving LP problems
[12:25] <Guest70233> Hi guys,I found that magnatune is empty list after freshing the list,but Jamendo and other web music service work fine,Have you ever encounter this problem?
[12:27] <adrynew> salut
[12:51] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:28] <tangedyn> need a bit of help, was trying to setup multimonitors but now all my applications are outside of the two monitors i have, i can't find a way to move them back to the primary monitor
[14:40] <Synapse-119> Hello everyone!
[14:41] <Synapse-119> I wanted to ask a question: if I disable kdewallet subsystem, will my passwords be stored in plain text? Or in any other way?
[14:52] <Alantas> tangedyn: Maybe try Alt+Tabbing to them, then Alt+F3 should raise the menu you normally get when right-clicking the titlebar, from which you might be able to maximize or resize or move the windows.
[15:01] <tangedyn> Alantas: thanks, i got it fixed by restarting and managing to rerun amdcccle
[15:01] <tangedyn> lemme relog
[15:09] <Doc_Savage96> g'morn, ya'll
[15:10] <Alantas> Greetings and salutations.
[15:16] <Doc_Savage96> i'm having issues, and i'm unsure as to where they are oriented--streaming issues, and/or maybe flash-like issues...
[15:17] <simon_> how to install google chrome?
[15:17] <Doc_Savage96> my webpages keep freezing, in FF and Konqueror, when i access pages with embedded video, and web-chats, like youtube (embed vid), and livestream (embed vid and web0chat)
[15:17] <Doc_Savage96> if chrome is my answer, then i won't be fixing the problem...
[15:18] <Doc_Savage96> just my personal pref--and prolly ashows that these issues are intentional to steer users *to* chrome...imo...
[15:18] <Doc_Savage96> or intentionally non-fixed, anyway...
[15:18] <Alantas> There Is No Chrome Conspiracy.
[15:18] <Doc_Savage96> any ideas?...
[15:19] <simon_> hello!
[15:19] <simon_> help, how to install google chrome?
[15:19] <simon_> I couldn't find the package
[15:19] <Doc_Savage96> um--sure there isn't...lol...google's stated intent is to control *all* information in the world,universe--that *used* to be in their policy info
[15:20] <Doc_Savage96> *and* they have embedded INTEL in their HQ--NSA, DARPA, etc
[15:20] <Doc_Savage96> anyway--not here to talk about that...
[15:20] <Doc_Savage96> where can i go to get some direction/guidance on this issue, is my main question?...
[15:21] <Alantas> simon_: Chromium is basically the same thing, minus Google branding and a couple other things.
[15:22] <Doc_Savage96> hmmmm--chromium, eh?...what are the other diffs?
[15:22] <Alantas> Like Google Mind Controller or whatever Doc_Savage96 needs it to have.
[15:22] <Doc_Savage96> lol, Alantas...
[15:22] <simon_> Alantas, how to install it?
[15:22] <Alantas> There's some kind of tracking thing that's in Chrome but not Chromium.
[15:23] <Alantas> simon_: Same as any other package, I would imagine.
[15:23] <Doc_Savage96> is chromium in the repositories?
[15:23] <Doc_Savage96> and, i'm looking, now
[15:23] <Alantas> I got it from Synaptic, so I would imagine so.
[15:24] <simon_> Alantas, now way, I have got an error
[15:24] <simon_> apt-get install Chromium
[15:24] <simon_> Reading package lists... Done
[15:24] <simon_> Building dependency tree
[15:24] <simon_> Reading state information... Done
[15:24] <simon_> E: Unable to locate package Chromium
[15:24] <FloodBotK1> simon_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[15:24] <Alantas> Probably something like "sudo apt-get install chromium-browser" in a terminal (such as Konsole) will do it.
[15:25] <simon_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/701078/
[15:25] <Alantas> *Tries tab-completion* The executable is "chromium-browser". Try typing just that into the console. It should say something to the effect of: "chromium-browser is not installed, to install it, type: sudo apt-get install somethingorother". Do so.
[15:25] <Doc_Savage96> that is the package name -- chromium-browser
[15:25] <simon_> Alantas, neither works :(
[15:26] <Alantas> *Looks in Synaptic* Yeah, the package name is "chromium-browser". "apt-get install chromium-browser" should work.
[15:27] <OerHeks> better look in packagekit, in Kubuntu :-)
[15:27] <Alantas> If it starts, but then hits you with a bunch of 404 errors or something, run "apt-get update", then try the install command again.
[15:29] <simon_> Alantas, I just installed kubuntu, maybe I should refresh this packages or something, I remeber I did something like that when I installed kubuntu for the first time
[15:29] <Alantas> "apt-get update" is probably what will do that.
[15:30] <Alantas> (Couldn't hurt to run it anyway.)
[15:30] <simon_> now is working
[15:30] <simon_> yeah
[15:30] <Doc_Savage96> wow--
[15:31] <Doc_Savage96> no issues *at all*...system is running, no freezes, or lock-up...*at all*...
[15:32] <Alantas> I've never had any troubles with Firefox in my install.
[15:32] <Doc_Savage96> and even fullscreen video really does fullscreen--in my other browsers, if i can get it, at all, it only blacks the screen, with the vid being same size as original embed sizing...
[15:32] <Alantas> In fact I've found Firefox is a bit better when dealing with Flash videos other than Youtube, where they get sluggish and eat the CPU in Chromium but work well in Firefox.
[15:32] <Doc_Savage96> idk, Alantas--i've had issues for a while, now--
[15:33] <Doc_Savage96> my system, until very recent updates, had an issue running mid-temp to hot, too--
[15:33] <Doc_Savage96> that stopped, recently...
[15:34] <Doc_Savage96> however--i can pretty much bet it's *me* and my disorganized install practices...
[15:34] <Doc_Savage96> i'm learning--albeit, slowly...
[15:34] <Doc_Savage96> well--guess for now, i'll scrap FF and Konqueor, until i can RTFM up on this...
[15:35] <Doc_Savage96> thanks--i never would have tried chrmium if i hadn't tytped in here...  ; )
[15:35] <Doc_Savage96> btw, globalrev is *groing*...  ; )
[15:35] <Doc_Savage96> i won't mention it, again...
[15:36] <Doc_Savage96> except to say #occupywallst if interested in what's up with that...
[15:36] <Doc_Savage96> ; )
[15:37] <Doc_Savage96> thanks, again--peace!
[15:37] <Alantas> So, solved two problems with one stone. Hehe.
[15:37] <Doc_Savage96> lol--yeh...you done *good*...   ; )
[16:23] <qbee> weeeeeeeeeeenas
[16:23] <qbee> algun alma caritativa puede decirme si es posible descargar las fotos y videos de un iphone 4 con kubuntu?
[16:24] <qbee> en google la info es muy dispersa y no me aclaro, todo esta orientado a musica, y eso no me interesa
[16:26] <OerHeks> !es > qbee
[16:27] <qbee> ooops, sorry, i think i was talking in hispanos, soooooooooo sorry
[16:28]  * Alantas can actually understand a lot of that...
[16:29] <qbee> anyone knows if is possible to download pictures and movies from iphone 4 with kubuntu, i read a lot from google, but seems it works with music only with rimthbox and stuff...
[16:32] <Alantas> Try plugging it in with USB. It could bring up a filesystem that you can browse.
[16:33] <Alantas> (Maybe. I don't have any experience with iphones, but if it presents a mass-storage-device USB interface, you can probably find your stuff there.)
[16:33] <OerHeks> qbee the ubuntu wiki mention KDE, but i have no experience with iphone connect > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PortableDevices/iPhone
[16:34] <qbee> oerheks: ok, thank you
[16:57] <nmvictor> Can KDE Partition Manager be trusted like Gparted, Do they use the same libraries?
[17:06] <onebitxajax> hi to all
[17:06] <onebitxajax> someone have tjhe home cencrypted?
[17:30] <rakionx92> algun español?
[17:32] <rakionx92> hello?
[17:36] <simon_> #gwt
[17:36] <simon_> hello dudes!
[17:36] <simon_> how can i join a new channel
[17:37] <simon_> ?
[17:40] <Snowhog> simon_:  type /j #channelname
[17:41] <simon_> amm I just typed #channel
[17:42] <simon_> type /j #java
[17:42] <simon_> typed*
[17:42] <simon_> and dosen't work :(
[17:43] <Snowhog> simon_: What IRC program are you using?
[17:43] <simon_> quassel irc
[17:44] <Snowhog> simon_: Typing  /j #java works here, and I'm running quassel as well. The channel you joined appears in the listing at the left. Just click on it to switch to that channel
[17:47] <simon_> that's strange! here it doesn't work
[17:47] <Snowhog> simon_: Then try typing:  /join #java
[17:49] <simon_> neither :(
[17:50] <Snowhog> simon_: What version of quassel - what version of KDE?
[17:51] <simon_> Platform Version 4.6.2 (4.6.2)
[17:51] <onebitxajax> can someone help me recover my home directory?
[17:57] <yofel> onebitxajax: what did you do?
[17:57] <onebitxajax> yofel: i beckup with live cd all the /home dir and reinstall the sistem with the same options and password
[17:57] <onebitxajax> and recopy it bac but it can'tr read it
[17:58] <onebitxajax> back*
[17:59] <yofel> onebitxajax: did your user id change?
[18:00] <onebitxajax> yofel: it's the same, i use the same in anithing
[18:00] <onebitxajax> same password, same user same pack installs
[18:01] <yofel> yes, but what does 'ls -la' tell you if you run it in the folder your old data is in?
[18:02] <yofel> linux doesn't recognise users by names, but by ID's - if that has changed you need to reown the files
[18:02] <yofel> unless you used encryption, then it gets complicated
[18:03] <onebitxajax> mmmmmmmmm
[18:03] <onebitxajax> with ls-l i get that the files belogs to my same name user and my group
[18:04] <yofel> should work then..
[18:40] <sk3nt> I am using backuppc from a freenas-server to backup couple of Kubuntu 11.04 clients, any idea how I could inhibit suspend and hibernate on clients during backup process?
[19:19] <stuq> is there some trick to getting the filter panel in dolphin to un-grey in kde 4.7.1?
[19:40] <Daskreech> stuq: Hmm?
[19:40] <Daskreech> Which filter?
[19:40] <stuq> never had it 'active', always greyed out...
[19:47] <Daskreech> stuq: Right which filter are you talking about?
[19:48] <Snowhog> stuq: ?? Dolphin > Tools > Show Filter Bar
[19:48] <stuq> Daskreech: I guess in the Dolphin View menu it's called search, brought up with the f12 key
[19:48] <Daskreech> Snowhog: I think he can find it. Just it's not working for him
[19:48] <stuq> some of the dolphin devs were calling it the filter pane
[19:49] <stuq> So, view.. panels... search
[19:50] <Daskreech> stuq: Can You look in settings -> Configure Shortcuts  and tell me what F12 is bound to you for you?
[19:50] <Daskreech> ah right tehre
[19:50] <Daskreech> There
[19:50] <stuq> if I hit f12, the search panel comes up, but it's always greyed out
[19:50] <Daskreech> Hmm doesn't bring up anything for me
[19:50] <Daskreech> Oh wait no it does
[19:51] <stuq> well, view, panels, search
[19:51] <stuq> I'm on kde 4.7.1
[19:51] <Daskreech> So am I
[19:51] <Daskreech> And yes it's greyed out
[19:51] <Daskreech> do you have Nepomuk turned on?
[19:52] <stuq> yes, and strigi too
[19:52] <stuq> Daskreech: looks like a cool feature if I could get it to work...
[19:56] <Daskreech> stuq: Hmm Ok I'll look into it. If it's really a bug I'll file one at bugs.kde.org
[19:57] <Daskreech> stuq: What are you looking to use it for?
[19:57] <stuq> I have a large network install and the construction mngmnt firm gave me ftp access to the architectuals
[19:57] <stuq> but it's like 1200 dirs
[19:57] <stuq> and several thousand files
[19:58] <stuq> so the ability to check mark filters seemed ideal
[20:00] <stuq> Daskreech: and thanks for looking
[20:01] <Daskreech> stuq: Just to be clear this isn't really a filter as much as it is a search
[20:01] <Daskreech> Ctrl+I is a filter
[20:01] <stuq> right, or maybe we could call it a 'search filter'
[20:01] <Daskreech> while far less flexible than that panel it's much faster
[20:01] <stuq> a way to narrow your searches down
[20:01] <Daskreech> ok fair enough
[20:07] <Daskreech> sk3nt: powertop?
[20:07] <Daskreech> sk3nt: or if you have KDE running just use the power management
[20:08] <BluesKaj> just installed new soundcard and it'set as default (Card0) , plays digital and mpeg audio fine , avi files wil play depending on the file that avi has it wrapped in , however no webcontent audio , or flash audio ...video in all codecs are fine . Also the alsa speaker test (speaker-test -c2 -Ddefault -t wav) is silent ....any ideas ?
[20:08] <sk3nt> Is it possible with KDE standard power management to inhibit suspend automatically?
[20:10] <sk3nt> I mean e.g. check if there is a backup process running and based on that info stop suspend process?
[20:10] <sk3nt> I though that I could use pm-utils hooks, what I do not find a example how to do it.
[20:20] <Daskreech> BluesKaj: Phonon?
[20:20] <Daskreech> sk3nt: You mean if a particular process is running switch power levels?
[20:21] <BluesKaj> Daskreech, according to my research plash doesn't use phono , it supposedly uses alsa directly , but i'm not certain
[20:21] <Daskreech> ok no Pulesaudio either?
[20:21] <BluesKaj> err flash doesn't use phonon
[20:21] <BluesKaj> no PA
[20:23] <BluesKaj> pPA doesn't even see the new card , even though it's set as default in alsa-base.conf
[20:26] <Daskreech> ha
[20:27] <Daskreech> ok hmm so the encoding makes a difference for the audio?
[20:34] <BluesKaj> Daskreech, amarok plays fine thru phonon as it's setup to do, vlc only sends DD and DTS files thru the passthru to my DAC on the audio amplifier,  only some avi but no flv will play on Dragon player
[20:44] <Daskreech> BluesKaj: Are you playing the flv through mplayer?
[20:55] <BluesKaj> Daskreech, no , but audio doesn't work on mplayer either
[20:56] <Daskreech> hrrrm
[21:04] <BluesKaj> BBL ...
[21:11] <Daskreech> ok
[21:11] <sk3nt> Daskreech: yes, that is what I meant; can I switch power levels if a particural process is running
[21:13] <Daskreech> Don't know that's a built in ability but it's certainly an easy script. Just make a cron job that runs one minute sooner than the powertime for suspend and have it check for the backup process. If it's there then use dbus to flip the power management to always on
[21:14] <sk3nt> Ok, thanks - have to start to look at something like that.
[21:20] <len> gnome-games is missing a sound dependency becasue, I assume, the package maintainer things only people running gnome play gnome-games and the packages needed is part of a default ubuntu install.  I always install gnome-games in Kubuntu though, and never get sound unless I add the package that should be set as a dep, but isn't.  I can't remember what it is right now though.  Anyone know?
[21:26] <szal> len: prolly a better question to ask next door™; us KDE lovers usually don't know jack about Gnome ;)
[21:26] <Daskreech> We know Jack
[21:26] <Daskreech> but only though a Phono layer
[21:26] <Daskreech> Phonon
[21:26]  * szal knows a few things about JACK ;)
[21:27] <szal> anyhoo, just for a heads-up..  if I want to install Grub to a different HDD than it is in now (HDD faulty; need to nuke it), all it takes is 'sudo os-prober' and 'sudo grub-install /dev/$insertDeviceNodeHere', right?
[21:27] <Daskreech> len: Not sure but it's probably a gstreamer dep
[21:29] <Daskreech> That's what most of Gnome Depends on for sound
[21:32] <len> Funny, it's been this way for years, and has never been corrected.  Are KDE people really such QT purists that they will only play KDE games?  You think that if a llot of KDE people played gnome games the dependency issue would have ben noticed and corrected many years ago.  I've always preferred KDE, but love the Aisleriot Solitaire.  It has about a 130 or so Solitaire variations.
[21:32] <Daskreech> len: you are talking about two different things
[21:33] <Daskreech> You are troubled about a distro's dependency chain and contemplating the Purist tendency of fans of a DE
[21:34] <Daskreech> if the maintainer of Gnome-games doesn't think it should be a strong dependency for Ubuntu then it's not going to be fixed regardless of howmany people install it
[21:34] <len> Daskreech, what do you mean?  I just saying that if you install Kubuntu, and add gnome-games, sound in the gnome games won't work even if you click the sound option, but if you install Ubuntu the sound works because the package needed is part of base Ubuntu install.
[21:35] <Daskreech> len: Yes cause sound is considered important for accessibilty which is a hard dependency for the gnome-desktop
[21:35] <Daskreech> Sound may not be considered a hard requirement to play any of the gnome games
[21:36] <Daskreech> if it's not considered a dependency then of course gnome-games will not depend on it. It may be a recommends
[21:37] <len> I'm not sure why the maintainer would think that.  It's pretty confusing to be offered tha "sound"  (not greyed out), and be allowed to check, so it looks like it is activated, but not have it work.  The only way the package maintainer wouldn't care is if he just plain doesn't care about anything but gnome, and thinks everyone should be using it.
[21:38] <Daskreech> in which case you can do a sudo apt-get install gnomegames -o APT::Install-Suggests=true should get you sound
[21:38] <Daskreech> len: could also be possible. I think I had the same issue with gnome screensavers
[21:39] <Daskreech> len: you can ask in #ubuntu-devel if you want to know if it's intentional or you should file a bug
[21:43] <Daskreech> len: Though I guess the games should also grey out if there is no way for them to play sound.
[21:43] <Daskreech> len: I suppose this might be less of a problem with GNOME-OS
[21:46] <BluesKaj> looks to me like /etc/asound.conf is deprecated in favour of  ~/.asoundrc with alsa ... phonon crashes if one tries to have both
[21:47] <len> The way I used to find the missing package was to run "sol" from a terminal, after checking the sould option.  I'd see an error message in the terminal about missing such and such, figure out which package the missing file came from, and then install that package.  Now though, when I run sol from the terminal I don't get any error message to use to track which package to install.
[21:48] <len> I haven't had to do this in a long time because I just keep upgrading.  I put Kubuntu on a new netpad though.  That's why I'm trying to remember what package it was.
[22:08] <Joschl> hi
[22:16] <Daskreech> len: try the command I gave you earlier?
[22:19] <len> Daskreech, I tried it, and it didn't install anything extra, so maybe the dep issue really is an oversight, since the needed package obviously isn't even listed as a "recommended" package.
[22:20] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[22:20] <Daskreech> len: Ok ask in #ubuntu-devel what that package is and if it's really intended to be like that
[22:42] <g0rs> how can we reduce cpu clock speed for intel processors in ubuntu?
[22:51] <zbogy> ok.here i am
[22:52] <sandox> hey guys,could someone helps me with my fliped cam image
[22:54] <Daskreech> g0rs: there was a program for that. I'm going to say cputime but that feels wrong as I'm typing it
[22:54] <Daskreech> sandox: tur over the camera
[22:54] <g0rs> Daskreech: there is some type of program for that in suse
[22:54] <g0rs> power daemon o something in that line
[22:54] <Daskreech> long as it's not yast
[22:55] <Daskreech> powertop ?
[22:55] <sandox> i have laptop asus x52j
[22:56] <sandox> when i use skype my cam flips the image
[22:56] <sandox> what should i do?
[23:03] <Snowhog> Hmm. sandbox didn't stick around long enough. Found this blog post that just might be what sandbox needs: http://www.paullabis.com/2010/08/fix-upside-down-or-inverted-webcam-on.html