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ScottSanbarfirefox crashing on flash - Ubuntu 11.04/FireFox 7.0.1/Flash Plugin 10.3.183.10-0natty1 - Google no help - any suggestions?  Crashes every time, since yesterday (recent udates)03:46
bodhizazenwhat version of flash ? 32 or 64 bit ?03:48
ScottSanbarJust a minute ...03:48
bodhizazenI have been using the 11 beta, now RC - http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer11.html03:50
ScottSanbarDon't know - how do I see that?03:50
bodhizazenuname -m03:50
bodhizazenlooks like the plugin in 10.3.x03:51
ScottSanbari68603:51
bodhizazenOK, so 32 bit03:51
ScottSanbaryes03:51
bodhizazenpersonally I would remove your current flash version03:51
ScottSanbarthen do what?03:51
bodhizazensudo apt-get remove flashnonfree I think it is03:51
ScottSanbarok, then just reinstall or what?03:52
bodhizazenflashplugin-nonfree03:52
bodhizazendownload the RC from here : http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer11.html03:52
bodhizazenthe 32 bit tar ball03:52
bodhizazenextract it (I save it in ~/src/flash)03:53
bodhizazenthen sudo cp libflashplayer.so /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins03:53
bodhizazenthen re-start ff and see if it is now working03:54
ScottSanbarFYI:  scott@scotts2ub:~/code/cpp/randconverse/randconverse-1.0$ dpkg -l | grep -i flash03:54
ScottSanbarii  flashplugin-installer                 10.3.183.10ubuntu0.11.04.1                 Adobe Flash Player plugin installer03:54
bodhizazenok, aye remove that thing =)03:55
ScottSanbaris there something wrong with it?03:55
bodhizazenyou said it is not working03:55
ScottSanbarwhy does it say "installer"?03:55
ScottSanbartrue03:55
bodhizazenit is almost certainly a script to download , extract, and install the flash plugin03:55
ScottSanbarI meant was there a known issue with it ... not just something specific to me, like my video card or something ...03:55
bodhizazenIDK, I had problems with it and went to the flash 11 beta a while ago03:56
bodhizazenbut I was running the 32 bit flash on a 64 bit os03:56
ScottSanbarOK, seems safe enough to try - just a file in the plugins directory ...03:56
bodhizazenyep03:57
bodhizazeneasy enough to un-do03:57
seidosfyi, i stopped using flash entirely.  trying to do all html5 whenever possible03:57
ScottSanbarIf you are interested, I am doing it now - just a minute, and I'll let you know what happens03:57
bodhizazen+1 seidos03:57
ScottSanbarThanks03:57
bodhizazenseidos, http://bodhizazen.net/img/Myah/myah.html03:58
seidosbodhizazen: i've seen it, skiing, cute ^_^03:58
bodhizazenhtml5 + webm03:58
seidosyaw i've been doing the youtube.com/html5 trial.  ff does webm, i just tried epiphany today.  it supports h.26403:59
bodhizazenThe page source is 7 lines long03:59
seidosi guess that shouldn't be surprising03:59
seidosi hear h.264 is evil though03:59
bodhizazenAh, I threw that page together to try out html503:59
seidosiirc i did a ctrl-u on the page to look at it03:59
bodhizazenh.264 is evil04:00
seidosjust revisited the source, i'd probably do something like it if i had a place to host the video file04:00
bodhizazenI convert whole DVD to h.264 , so my children can watch videos on my wife's cell phone, I think they end up taking up about 150 or so mb04:01
seidosso are the files smaller than webm?04:01
bodhizazenseidos, =)04:01
bodhizazennot sure about that, I think webm is smaller, but the cell phone only plays h.26404:02
seidosah, android?04:02
ScottSanbarscott@scotts2ub:~/Downloads/flash$ sudo apt-get remove flashplugin-installer04:05
ScottSanbarE: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)04:05
ScottSanbarE: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?04:05
ScottSanbar?04:06
bodhizazenyou running a graphical package manager ScottSanbar ?04:07
ScottSanbarduh ... yes ... (embarrassed) ... thanks04:07
bodhizazenand I would purge rather then remove04:07
ScottSanbarwhy purge?  How?04:07
bodhizazenpurge removes everything, remove leaves config files04:08
bodhizazensudo apt-get purge foo04:08
ScottSanbaroh, yah ... I remember now ... good idea ... thanks04:08
ScottSanbarno crash when uninstalled, still crashes with rc104:13
bodhizazenwhat page is crashing ScottSanbar ? and did you restart firefox ?04:14
ScottSanbardifferent pages, had to restart firefox after crash (several times), cms.bsu.edu/04:15
ScottSanbarhttp;//cms.bsu.edu04:15
bodhizazenpage loads fine here04:16
ScottSanbarflash website loads flash fine (adobe), though04:17
bodhizazenIn a terminal, open firefox -P04:17
bodhizazencreate a new profile04:17
bodhizazencould be one of your extensions04:17
bodhizazenyou can try disabling all of them and enable them one at a time04:18
ScottSanbarThank you very much, bodhizazen - you have been very helpful!  Still not working, but I have a plan to try.04:31
bodhizazenvery odd ScottSanbar04:32
bodhizazenCan you past another page that id broken for you ?04:32
ScottSanbarThere was at least one other page, but I do not remember what it was - result of a search.04:33
ScottSanbarmay have been more pages, but I do not remember04:34
bodhizazenOK, well most pages work ?04:34
bodhizazenIf I can reproduce the problem you are having ...04:34
bodhizazenI still suspect one of your extensions at this point04:34
ScottSanbarI don't know - just tried flash.com and it worked.  yah - it would be nice if you could reproduce.  Know any intense flash pages?04:34
bodhizazenproxy server of any kind ?04:34
ScottSanbarno04:34
bodhizazenhttp://www.webkinz.com/04:35
bodhizazenThe site says you need to install flash, but it works04:37
bodhizazen"Take a tour"04:37
ScottSanbaryes - works fine ... I'll just avoid ball state.  Oklahoma University just stomped them 63-6 or something tonight, anyway ... ;)04:38
ScottSanbarit did not say "you need to install flash" for me, though04:38
ScottSanbarsometimes football just isn't fair04:39
bodhizazenOK, well you have flash 11 RC, it has some nice features as flash goes, just watch the page I gave you for updates from time to time04:40
ScottSanbarok, thanks very much, again. BTW, my name is Scott Sanbar (obiously) ... nice to meet you.04:41
ScottSanbars/obiously/obviously/04:41
bodhizazensorry I was not able to fix your flash problem04:42
ScottSanbarno problem.  I learned some valuable stuff, and have a route to take to do more trouble shooting if I wish04:42
bodhizazensometimes it is a problem with javascript, you can try another browser, midori or chromium or opera04:43
ScottSanbarok, I have chrome - just a minute04:43
ScottSanbarchrome works fine04:45
bodhizazenthere you go =)04:45
bodhizazenso it is a firefox problem and not a flash problem04:45
ScottSanbarthis only happened after the most recent firefox upgrade yesterday, as a matter of fact - all makes sense now04:46
ScottSanbarHow's the weather in Montana these days?04:49
ScottSanbar:)04:49
bodhizazenhas been nice and warm04:50
ScottSanbarOklahoma has been incredibly beautiful lately - we are very fortunate.04:51
ScottSanbarperfect fall - we get those about every other year04:51
bodhizazennice04:51
ScottSanbarwell, that was after 50+ days straight of over 100 degrees04:51
bodhizazenIt has been in the 80s and 90s for the most part, dropped to the 70s last few days04:51
ScottSanbaryah, were no wind and 70s for highs, sunny, crisp mornings - beautiful!04:52
ScottSanbars/were/we're/04:52
philipballewbodhizazen, frdora goes to grub rescue as well05:24
bodhizazenphilipballew, very odd indeed05:25
* bodhizazen wonders if it is a BIOS problem of some kind05:25
philipballewhow would i find out bodhizazen ?05:25
philipballewi should be able to manually mount my partition maybe05:25
bodhizazenfedora is grub105:26
bodhizazenso what happens when you try to manually boot ?05:26
bodhizazenroot (hd 0,0)05:26
bodhizazenkernel /boot/vmlin root= ...05:27
bodhizazeninitrd /boot/init ...05:27
bodhizazenboot05:27
bodhizazengrub uses tab completion =)05:27
philipballewhow do i manually boot?05:27
seidoshe just told you how philipballew05:28
philipballew:) seidos :)05:28
seidosi think :)05:28
seidosi haven't tried those commands in awhile, and only did it once05:28
philipballewbodhizazen, is there one of those that boots it?05:29
seidos!grub05:31
ubot2GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since 9.10 (Karmic). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 - See !grub1 for releases before Karmic (9.10)05:31
philipballew!grub105:31
ubot2grub 1 is the default boot manager for Ubuntu releases before 9.10 (Karmic). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - GRUB how-tos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto - See !grub for Karmic onwards05:31
seidosi think the 2nd link may have some grub rescue stuff05:31
philipballeweureka!!! http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=101470805:36
bodhizazenlol05:37
philipballewbodhizazen, what? :)05:38
philipballeweureka!!!  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=154965305:39
philipballewthat works to maybe ^05:39
bodhizazennot sure about that thread philipballew05:39
bodhizazenTo boot from a grub prompt ...05:40
philipballewhum. ill keep looking05:40
bodhizazenyou need to specify the root partition in grub-speak, the kernel, the root partition (in linux-speak), and the initramfs05:41
bodhizazenYou can use tab completion, just like bash05:41
bodhizazenboot (hd 0,0)05:41
bodhizazenThat would be sda105:41
bodhizazenkernel /boot/vmlinuz-version_number root=/dev/sda1 ro quiet splash05:41
bodhizazeninitrd /boot/initrd-version_number05:42
bodhizazenboot05:42
philipballewalright, so if im running fedora on here currently it would be that? what do you think causes that error?05:43
philipballewbodhizazen, It says unknown command boot05:45
philipballewwell im lost :)05:51
bodhizazenphilipballew, are you at a grub prompt ?05:52
bodhizazenor did you boot the fedora live CD05:52
philipballewim at grub prompt bod05:53
bodhizazenwhere is fedora installed ?05:53
philipballewon my harddrive. though i have 2 of them i think its whatever the default is05:54
philipballewsd 0 then?05:54
bodhizazenfirst HD is sda in linux , hd0 to grub05:56
bodhizazenso what did it say when you entered05:56
bodhizazenroot (hd0,0)05:56
philipballewunknown command root05:58
bodhizazenThat does not sound like grub 106:00
bodhizazenwhat version of Fedora ?06:00
bodhizazendid you download f16 ?06:00
bodhizazenset root=(hd0,1)06:01
philipballewfedora 1506:02
urlin2uphilipballew, did you ever run that bootscript, it would take out a bit of the variables here.06:02
philipballewurlin2u, id need to boot into a live usb to do that. and out of grub06:03
urlin2uphilipballew, I would follow bodhizazen , but is this the same HD that has the debuan?06:04
urlin2udebian06:04
urlin2uorsame computer the second HD? philipballew06:05
philipballewyeah, but now im trying fedora06:05
urlin2uphilipballew, basically  wasn't sure if bodhizazen new if the debian install which is grub2.06:06
urlin2uif=of06:06
philipballewi can install debian again06:06
philipballewno big deal06:06
philipballewubuntu as well06:07
urlin2uphilipballew, sure, grub2 is great for picking up the others including fedora, I always have a grub2 OS for just that reason.06:07
philipballewbodhizazen, in order to runkernel /boot/vmlinuz-version_number root=/dev/sda1 ro quiet splash id need to know what kernal i hav06:07
bodhizazenyes, but you can use tab completion06:09
bodhizazentype vmlin<tab>06:09
philipballewtab does not work for me :). it seems that grub may have peoblems with this computer06:10
philipballewmaybe i should boot with a live cd and re install06:10
bodhizazenhitting tab twice bring up a menu ?06:10
philipballewnothing06:11
philipballewi even hit it like 5 times06:11
philipballewif only you lived in sd id buy you lunch to look at it06:11
philipballewbodhizazen, what am i doing wrong?06:23
bodhizazenI am not sure philipballew06:25
philipballewi think im gonna boot with a livecd and check the dick then reinstall grub06:26
bodhizazenWhen you installed Fedora, did you make a boot partition ?06:26
bodhizazenuse LVM ?06:26
philipballew*disc06:26
philipballewno i did not06:26
philipballewit did it for me06:26
philipballewi selected my hd i pit my system on as the boot loader06:26
philipballewbodhizazen, thats just my idea06:29
bodhizazenphilipballew, boot a live CD and take a look at your partitions and what is on them06:31
philipballewok. hold on06:31
philipballewbodhizazen, check this out http://imagebin.org/17706306:49
* bodhizazen looks06:49
bodhizazenOK, so default fedora =)06:50
bodhizazenwhen you boot06:50
* philipballew agrees06:50
bodhizazenyou can use root (hd1,0)06:50
philipballewshould now that i am in a live usb do this from grub?06:50
bodhizazenin the sdb1 partition, do you see a kernel ?06:50
bodhizazenand a /grub directory ?06:51
philipballewwhere would i look?06:51
philipballewah sorry06:51
bodhizazensure, take a look06:53
bodhizazenrunning the fedora live CD ? or Ubuntu ?06:53
philipballewubuntu06:53
philipballewlubuntu actually06:54
philipballewubuntu's naming scheme is odd. id raher see them all called ubuntu06:54
bodhizazenOK , you want to end up with lubuntu ?06:55
bodhizazenat this point I would say install it, but do not reboot yet06:55
bodhizazenAfter installing it, install grub into the MBR of both hard drivers06:56
philipballewok. lets start the install right now. why both jw?06:57
bodhizazenI am going to guess that your BIOS is not sorting out first and second hard driver, master slave the way we want it to07:03
philipballewi can take the second out07:03
bodhizazenso I hope if you install grub to the MBR of both hard drives it will sort itself out07:03
bodhizazenyou could, but that is no fun =)07:04
philipballewi dont have any pins on either07:04
philipballewi need the 200 for my music!!!07:04
bodhizazengetting late here, good luck to you07:04
philipballewokay!07:05
philipballewif all fails, ill remove the drive07:05
bodhizazenok, best of luck07:11
bodhizazensometimes you need to map drives in grub07:12
philipballewi can do that. I might just buy a jumper and put it in the drive if need be07:14
bodhizazenjumper might help, not sure07:15
bodhizazenit does not matter with modern bios, but yours might be confused ?07:16
philipballewmaybe. its a pentium 407:16
ScottSanbarphilipballew:  how old is the mobo?07:19
philipballewScottSanbar, maybe 6 years07:21
ScottSanbarphilipballew:  I seem to remember bios limits on hd size, but do not remember the size limit or the time frame.07:23
philipballewIs there a way to get around those limits?07:23
ScottSanbarNot sure they apply as recently as 6 years ago - see here:  http://www.dewassoc.com/kbase/hard_drives/hard_drive_size_barriers.htm07:26
ScottSanbarHold on ... I need to get a better link ...07:27
philipballewdell demention 460007:27
ScottSanbarHere is a much clearer distillation of the above link (tmi above): http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Large-Disk-HOWTO-4.html07:28
ScottSanbarThis might help: http://en.community.dell.com/support-forums/disk-drives/f/3534/t/19353123.aspx07:30
ScottSanbarWhat is your BIOS revision number?  Have you updated it to the latest off the Dell website?  (H07:30
ScottSanbarVery enlightening - details from Dell support:  http://www.doityourself.com/forum/computers-peripherals/350707-hard-drive-upgrade-problems-dell-dimension-4600-a.html07:32
ScottSanbarYou should be able to open a ticket via e-mail with Dell support - they give lifetime e-mail support, I think, but maybe not - not sure07:33
ScottSanbarand maybe won't help you with non-windows07:33
ScottSanbarthis problem does not appear to be a standard HD limitation issue, but a dell specific BIOS issue, from the links above07:34
ScottSanbarThe standard fix for standard HD biggness issues was, if I remember correctly, to manually configure the drive parameters into a smaller drive - in this case, try 160GB or less- just search a 160 GB hd spec for the sector/head/cylinder geometry and set the BIOS to that is the easiest.07:39
ScottSanbarThe BiOS may also have some standard specs pre-set that you can choose from a list07:40
ScottSanbarAlso, make sure LBA, etc. is selected, as a long shot07:41
ScottSanbar(long shot because it probably already is)07:43
philipballewthat form you sent me was my EXACT problem07:43
philipballewWOW07:43
philipballewthats pretty cool07:44
ScottSanbarYah, I would have jumped in earlier but was involved in zen buddhism vs. christianity with your previous helper - seems like you did a lot of work07:44
philipballewseidos, i lent him a hotel room once07:45
ScottSanbarwhat exactly fixed the problem?07:45
philipballewhe's pretty awesome07:45
ScottSanbaryes, both your helpers seem wonderful - I like everyone I have met here, for that matter ... :)07:45
philipballewnot sure, im reinstalling now, but i changed the master slave stuff and if that doesnt work ill flash the bios07:46
ScottSanbaryou might try manually changing the hard drive parameters - seems to my memory to be the best probably fix at this time, but not sure.07:47
philipballewi might need to manually work with my mbr sometime.07:47
ScottSanbarUpdating the BIOS is usually important, anyway, so that would be good07:47
philipballewi have a spare hd with xp on it, i could pop that in if need be07:47
ScottSanbarNo, the hard drive parameters in the BIOS07:47
philipballewis that risky to flash07:48
ibuclawScottSanbar, never update BIOS unless it is of absolute necessity07:48
ScottSanbarthere is always a risk to brick your mobo with flash, but I have only done it once in all my life.  Do you have a UPS?  Also, don't do it from Windows, but from boot CD or floppy07:48
philipballewgood old floppy drive07:49
ScottSanbarYes, that should be fine ... the old standby, I always have one in my PCs07:49
ScottSanbaryes, some say that - he has a good point, you may try other stuff first and update bios as a last resort, if you are worried.07:51
ScottSanbarOf course, if you call many support centers, they will tell you to update BIOS as a first resort before helpoing you further ... :(07:52
philipballewwonder why07:54
ScottSanbarNot sure - sometimes, when working with certain servers, they had BIOS updates every other day, so by the time you updated the BIOS and called them back, they just said "so, you need to now update to the new BIOS" - endless lack of support.  Ridiculous07:56
ScottSanbarI think it was Compaq back around 1996-1997 time frame when I had that happen ... very frustrating.07:57
philipballewwhat brand do you use07:59
ScottSanbarI build my own PCS now with Gigabyte Mobos - they have a dual BIOS feature so they are basically unbrickable unless you really try08:00
ScottSanbarNot all of them, I do not think, though08:01
philipballewnice!08:01
philipballewrandom question. how hard is it to make a driver08:01
ScottSanbarActually, that is theoretical - I have never had to use them08:01
ScottSanbarDon't know - never written a driver.08:02
ScottSanbarWell, actually, maybe I have - written code that interfaces directly with bare hardware that provides services to upper layer software, so I guess I have, but not for Linux or Unix or anything.  I did alter drivers and modules on Red Hat Linux, if I remember correctly, though - it does not seem like it was too hard to do that.08:04
philipballewi just got 5 usb wifi adapters with this desktop, and a router as well08:05
ScottSanbarI only vaguely remember that, though.08:05
philipballew3 of thee 5 dont have a linux driver.!!!08:05
ScottSanbarWell, dig in!  It might take a long time, but it might be fun and you might learn a lot!  Sounds very, very hard, though, but maybe you could start with an existing driver and go from there.08:06
ScottSanbarDo you know C?  Ever done any assembler?08:06
philipballewi am learning c.08:08
ScottSanbarWhat book?08:08
philipballewc is what drivers are written in?08:08
philipballewa cs textbook08:08
philipballewforget the name08:08
ScottSanbarI think most of the Linux kernel and drivers and modules and stuff are written in C and some assembler, but not really sure.08:09
philipballewhum. i can use ndswrapper. ever herd of it?08:09
ScottSanbarthe word rings a bell, but do not know what it is08:09
philipballewits a way to use windows netword drivers to work in linux08:10
ScottSanbarThinking about the bios update thing, it definitely is a possibility to lose your PC to a flash - since you are a student on a very tight budget, it would be a great shame for you to lose your new PC that way.  I think ibuclaw has very sound advice in saying never flash unless absolutely necessary, given availability of funding for a replacement08:11
ScottSanbar(or lack thereof)08:12
philipballewi make being cheap a skill08:13
ScottSanbarAlso, please bear in mind that all those links I found and most of my experience is with Windows, so I do not know if Linux responds the same way as Windows to the Dell BIOS problems08:14
ScottSanbarMight be kind of the blind leading the blind hear ... :)08:15
philipballewwell i just booted successfully and its working08:15
ScottSanbarOh, well, how did you get it to work?08:15
* ScottSanbar eagerly awaits answer :)08:17
philipballewi messed up on the master and slave confoguration :)08:20
philipballewi had to open it up and move the pin :)08:21
ScottSanbarAll that advice and work ... and ... :)08:21
ScottSanbarI thought I saw you do that earlier in the troubleshooting?08:24
ScottSanbarOH, btw, its not a pin, but a jumper08:27
ScottSanbarGood night, philipballew.  Good luck with your new machine.08:31
philipballewgood night ScottSanbar :)08:36
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milesphello17:29
milespneed some help for installing 11.0417:29
milespit's getting stuck while creating ext4 filesystem17:29
milespCD has been checked, all seems good but no after what kind of install i do, it always get stuck at this point17:30
philipballewmilesp, why are you stuck17:39
philipballewwhat types of installs did you do17:39
seidosmilesp: my advice: keep trying stuff, if you want ideas, i can help you make a list :)17:41
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