[06:57] <nisshh> hey guys
[06:57] <nisshh> whats up?
[06:58] <nisshh> <.< bad timing :)
[07:02] <nisshh> whoever see's this first: ive come back after ages away to help out once again
[12:24] <rigved> hi everyone.
[12:24] <rigved> i heard that the ubuntu manual project needs help to get the oneiric version out on time.
[12:32] <rigved> i have already sent an e-mail to jobs@ubuntu-manual.org with all the required details.
[12:40] <jeyanthan> Hi Team, just got a mail fwd from my friend from Ubuntu manual stating that you are in need of volunteers !
[12:49] <jeyanthan> I was expecting if there is a better way to file as a volunteer instead of mailing to jobs@ubuntu-manual.org .. something like filling a form ?
[14:36] <c7p> hey nisshh
[14:58] <nisshh> c7p, hey dude
[14:59] <c7p> WHAT'S UP ?
[14:59]  * c7p sorry for caps
[15:17] <nisshh> c7p, not much dude, just life is finally falling into place for me, so i finally have a bit of time to come back and contribute to the manual
[15:17] <c7p> i'm happy for you :D
[15:17] <nisshh> thanks :)
[15:18] <c7p> you were chapter author ?
[15:18] <nisshh> yeah
[15:18] <nisshh> original auther of the cmd chapter
[15:18] <c7p> on which chapter ?
[15:18] <c7p> ah yeah
[15:18] <nisshh> but im happy to do whatever now
[15:18] <nisshh> editing would suite me
[15:18] <c7p> great
[15:19] <c7p> could you manage troubleshooting chapter ?
[15:19] <nisshh> maybe
[15:19] <nisshh> ill have a look first
[15:19] <c7p> ok
[15:19] <nisshh> i really need some sleep right now though
[15:19] <nisshh> ill catch you tomorrow though
[15:19] <c7p> no problem
[15:20] <nisshh> is the main branch still at lp:ubuntu-manual?
[15:20] <c7p> you may contact me
[15:20] <nisshh> cool
[15:20] <c7p> yap
[15:20] <nisshh> sweet, ill check it out tomorrow after work
[15:20] <c7p> thanks :D
[15:20] <nisshh> np
[15:21] <nisshh> im still subscribed to the ML and everything too
[15:21] <nisshh> gnight
[15:23] <c7p> goodnight
[16:14] <c7p> hey godbyk
[22:59] <tomswartz07> hey everyone
[23:00] <c7p> hey tomswartz07
[23:00] <tomswartz07> ive been following the Ubuntu Manual project ever since Ben started it a few years ago, mostly idly watching from the side with its developments and reading up on the mailing lists.
[23:01] <tomswartz07> long story short, i see that this past release has been delayed- and i was wondering what i may be able to do to help
[23:01] <tomswartz07> im no major expert with LaTeX, but i can certainly hold my own
[23:02] <tomswartz07> any ideas on something that I could jump in and help with?
[23:02] <c7p> hm wanna become an author ?
[23:03] <c7p> actually you could help and in another way
[23:03] <tomswartz07> whats that?
[23:04] <c7p> you said that you know basics of latex right ?
[23:04] <c7p> e.g identifying code
[23:04] <tomswartz07> you bet. used it for about 2 dozen physics lab reports
[23:04] <c7p> and understanding syntax
[23:05] <c7p> hehe i guess you are an expert in contrast with me :P
[23:05] <c7p> on this release new authors will write their sections in odts
[23:05] <tomswartz07> haha, hey, dont be modest here. it was mostly copy-pasta the template i made up
[23:05] <c7p> so we need some people to convert odt to latex
[23:06] <godbyk> tomswartz07: For the Oneiric edition, we're going to let the authors write their text in whatever format they like (e.g., LibreOffice or plain text) and we'll have a small group of people who convert that (by hand) to LaTeX.
[23:06] <c7p> i know only latex tags that project uses, nothing more
[23:06]  * c7p thx Kevin :)
[23:06] <godbyk> You can find a list of the LaTeX commands we're using in our style guide: http://files.ubuntu-manual.org/style-guide.pdf
[23:07] <godbyk> (The style guide needs to be updated at some point, but I haven't gotten around to it yet. So if you have any questions about any of it or if you think something's missing, feel free to pester me about it.)
[23:07] <tomswartz07> ok, cool. so its mostly just a copy-paste kind of deal, so long as the commands are right?
[23:08] <godbyk> tomswartz07: Yeah, you'd be copying and pasting their text and then formatting it using our LaTeX commands.
[23:08] <tomswartz07> mmmm, syntax formatting.
[23:09]  * tomswartz07 *tab tab tab*
[23:10] <godbyk> tomswartz07: It's glamorous work, let me tell ya! ;-)
[23:11] <tomswartz07> between you and I, i broke a keyboard at work because i hit the tab key too many times while updating the formatting syntax on their website.
[23:12] <godbyk> tomswartz07: Ha! I won't tell, I promise.  Handily, we don't have much tab-indenting in our LaTeX code.
[23:12] <godbyk> Lots of backslashes and curly braces, though. :)
[23:12] <tomswartz07> haha. well, thats good. :P
[23:14] <c7p> Tom, do you want to become an author of a chapter section ?
[23:15] <tomswartz07> Im up for whatever you think you need the most help with.
[23:16] <c7p> currently we need authors to write material
[23:16] <tomswartz07> well then, im up for it :)
[23:16] <c7p> after writing we will need editors and latex guys like you :P
[23:16] <c7p> cool
[23:17] <c7p> do you use gwibber or empathy ?
[23:17] <tomswartz07> used to- havent done so recently. Is that what the topics are on?
[23:18] <c7p> yes there are sections covering these applications
[23:18] <c7p> let me tell you available sections
[23:18] <c7p> Setting Ubuntu One
[23:18] <c7p> Ubuntu One preferences
[23:18] <c7p> Watching videos and movies (covers Totem)
[23:19] <c7p> Using instant messaging (covers Empathy)
[23:19] <c7p> Microblogging (covers Gwibber)
[23:19] <c7p> Getting online (covers Mozilla Firefox)
[23:19] <c7p> Customizing your Desktop (covering Appearance)
[23:19] <c7p> and Troubleshooting chapter sections
[23:20] <c7p> let me know what sections of the above do you prefer, if you want to contribute as author
[23:20] <tomswartz07> well, i can't do totem (it wont work on my dvi monitor, and i was never able to figure out why)
[23:21] <tomswartz07> i would, however be interested in either Customizing your Desktop, or Instant Messaging.
[23:21] <tomswartz07> they seem like fairly straightforward topics
[23:22] <c7p> good :)
[23:22] <c7p> what version of ubuntu do you use ?
[23:23]  * c7p silly questions :P
[23:23] <tomswartz07> haha, im on 11.04
[23:24] <c7p> nice, 11.04 has the mail indicator right ?
[23:24] <tomswartz07> you betcha
[23:26] <c7p> ok i guess you can take IM section
[23:27] <c7p> with the condition to work on 11.10 when testing empathy :P
[23:28] <tomswartz07> sure- i was actually thinking of flipping up to 11.10 this coming weekend anyway. haha
[23:28] <c7p> hehe
[23:28] <c7p> cool so from now on i call you author :
[23:28] <c7p> :P
[23:29] <tomswartz07> well, this is pretty awesome!
[23:29] <c7p> again a silly question, how many hours in average can you spend on this section per week ?
[23:30] <tomswartz07> hm, well i suppose i could set aside an hour or so each night- so 7 or 8 hours per week?
[23:31] <c7p> neat :D
[23:31] <tomswartz07> i could do more, if you think it might help?
[23:31] <c7p> no no
[23:31] <c7p> the first thing that you must have in mind is to enjoy contributing
[23:32] <c7p> extra hours that are tiring won
[23:32] <c7p> t help essentially
[23:32] <tomswartz07> haha ok
[23:34] <c7p> author have you tested our bzr branch in the past ?
[23:34] <tomswartz07> a long time ago, not since ben stepped down
[23:35] <c7p> ok
[23:35] <tomswartz07> its not that big of a deal to bzr pull the branch though
[23:36] <c7p> i just wanted to know if you would use bzr to push your work or the new system with odt files that new authors will use
[23:37] <c7p> so bzr works for you ?
[23:37] <tomswartz07> yeah, i have experience using bzr for some of my own code projects
[23:38] <c7p> cool
[23:38] <c7p> let me know if you need anything
[23:39] <tomswartz07> ok- i have a few questions, though.
[23:39] <c7p> fire them away
[23:41] <tomswartz07> okay, so Im doing the IM section, testing on 11.10, and writing up content similar to the editions in the past. Are there any specifics that I should cover (other than just general use), or is it just open-ended?
[23:42] <tomswartz07> because ive never actually contributed, i tended to just skim over any communications that covered the topic.
[23:43] <c7p> you may browse the 10.10 book to see how authors write things, it's not big deal
[23:44] <c7p> as an author you are free to add new subsections or remove existings
[23:44] <c7p> you choose this
[23:44] <tomswartz07> ok. i wasnt sure if there was a set methodolgy that you folks stuck to.
[23:45] <c7p> no, no methology. you must only have in mind that the section you are working on should be understood from beginners, and shouldn't be too shot neither too long
[23:46] <c7p> by beginners i mean users that have previous experience with computers
[23:46] <tomswartz07> novices, i guess the term would be?
[23:46] <c7p> i'm not a native speaker, but i guess that's a better term "novices"
[23:47] <c7p> anything else ?
[23:48] <tomswartz07> one last- how much do you depend on the odt formatting for the writeups? I figure, because I am familiar with latex, its not that big of a problem to compose it already in the latex format
[23:49] <tomswartz07> if it will screw up all of the works, however, then its not that big of a deal- i just thought it might be able to save some work in the long run
[23:52] <c7p> writeups ?
[23:53]  * c7p my engilsh aren't so good
[23:53] <tomswartz07> the section that i am writing- sorry! :x
[23:55] <godbyk> tomswartz07: You can write it directly in LaTeX if you like.
[23:55] <godbyk> We're just offering the ODT option to authors who aren't familiar with LaTeX (and don't want to learn it).
[23:56] <tomswartz07> ah, i understand now.
[23:56] <godbyk> If you run 'make' to build the PDF (and ensure you didn't break anything) before committing, then it's perfectly fine to edit the .tex files directly.
[23:57] <tomswartz07> godbyk: 'make'? im guessing that this is more involved than a simple pdflatex compile, correct?