=== Alexandra is now known as Guest29719 [06:57] hey guys [06:57] whats up? [06:58] <.< bad timing :) [07:02] whoever see's this first: ive come back after ages away to help out once again [12:24] hi everyone. [12:24] i heard that the ubuntu manual project needs help to get the oneiric version out on time. [12:32] i have already sent an e-mail to jobs@ubuntu-manual.org with all the required details. [12:40] Hi Team, just got a mail fwd from my friend from Ubuntu manual stating that you are in need of volunteers ! [12:49] I was expecting if there is a better way to file as a volunteer instead of mailing to jobs@ubuntu-manual.org .. something like filling a form ? [14:36] hey nisshh [14:58] c7p, hey dude [14:59] WHAT'S UP ? [14:59] * c7p sorry for caps [15:17] c7p, not much dude, just life is finally falling into place for me, so i finally have a bit of time to come back and contribute to the manual [15:17] i'm happy for you :D [15:17] thanks :) [15:18] you were chapter author ? [15:18] yeah [15:18] original auther of the cmd chapter [15:18] on which chapter ? [15:18] ah yeah [15:18] but im happy to do whatever now [15:18] editing would suite me [15:18] great [15:19] could you manage troubleshooting chapter ? [15:19] maybe [15:19] ill have a look first [15:19] ok [15:19] i really need some sleep right now though [15:19] ill catch you tomorrow though [15:19] no problem [15:20] is the main branch still at lp:ubuntu-manual? [15:20] you may contact me [15:20] cool [15:20] yap [15:20] sweet, ill check it out tomorrow after work [15:20] thanks :D [15:20] np [15:21] im still subscribed to the ML and everything too [15:21] gnight [15:23] goodnight [16:14] hey godbyk === Alexandra is now known as Guest32799 [22:59] hey everyone [23:00] hey tomswartz07 [23:00] ive been following the Ubuntu Manual project ever since Ben started it a few years ago, mostly idly watching from the side with its developments and reading up on the mailing lists. [23:01] long story short, i see that this past release has been delayed- and i was wondering what i may be able to do to help [23:01] im no major expert with LaTeX, but i can certainly hold my own [23:02] any ideas on something that I could jump in and help with? [23:02] hm wanna become an author ? [23:03] actually you could help and in another way [23:03] whats that? [23:04] you said that you know basics of latex right ? [23:04] e.g identifying code [23:04] you bet. used it for about 2 dozen physics lab reports [23:04] and understanding syntax [23:05] hehe i guess you are an expert in contrast with me :P [23:05] on this release new authors will write their sections in odts [23:05] haha, hey, dont be modest here. it was mostly copy-pasta the template i made up [23:05] so we need some people to convert odt to latex [23:06] tomswartz07: For the Oneiric edition, we're going to let the authors write their text in whatever format they like (e.g., LibreOffice or plain text) and we'll have a small group of people who convert that (by hand) to LaTeX. [23:06] i know only latex tags that project uses, nothing more [23:06] * c7p thx Kevin :) [23:06] You can find a list of the LaTeX commands we're using in our style guide: http://files.ubuntu-manual.org/style-guide.pdf [23:07] (The style guide needs to be updated at some point, but I haven't gotten around to it yet. So if you have any questions about any of it or if you think something's missing, feel free to pester me about it.) [23:07] ok, cool. so its mostly just a copy-paste kind of deal, so long as the commands are right? [23:08] tomswartz07: Yeah, you'd be copying and pasting their text and then formatting it using our LaTeX commands. [23:08] mmmm, syntax formatting. [23:09] * tomswartz07 *tab tab tab* [23:10] tomswartz07: It's glamorous work, let me tell ya! ;-) [23:11] between you and I, i broke a keyboard at work because i hit the tab key too many times while updating the formatting syntax on their website. [23:12] tomswartz07: Ha! I won't tell, I promise. Handily, we don't have much tab-indenting in our LaTeX code. [23:12] Lots of backslashes and curly braces, though. :) [23:12] haha. well, thats good. :P [23:14] Tom, do you want to become an author of a chapter section ? [23:15] Im up for whatever you think you need the most help with. [23:16] currently we need authors to write material [23:16] well then, im up for it :) [23:16] after writing we will need editors and latex guys like you :P [23:16] cool [23:17] do you use gwibber or empathy ? [23:17] used to- havent done so recently. Is that what the topics are on? [23:18] yes there are sections covering these applications [23:18] let me tell you available sections [23:18] Setting Ubuntu One [23:18] Ubuntu One preferences [23:18] Watching videos and movies (covers Totem) [23:19] Using instant messaging (covers Empathy) [23:19] Microblogging (covers Gwibber) [23:19] Getting online (covers Mozilla Firefox) [23:19] Customizing your Desktop (covering Appearance) [23:19] and Troubleshooting chapter sections [23:20] let me know what sections of the above do you prefer, if you want to contribute as author [23:20] well, i can't do totem (it wont work on my dvi monitor, and i was never able to figure out why) [23:21] i would, however be interested in either Customizing your Desktop, or Instant Messaging. [23:21] they seem like fairly straightforward topics [23:22] good :) [23:22] what version of ubuntu do you use ? [23:23] * c7p silly questions :P [23:23] haha, im on 11.04 [23:24] nice, 11.04 has the mail indicator right ? [23:24] you betcha [23:26] ok i guess you can take IM section [23:27] with the condition to work on 11.10 when testing empathy :P [23:28] sure- i was actually thinking of flipping up to 11.10 this coming weekend anyway. haha [23:28] hehe [23:28] cool so from now on i call you author : [23:28] :P [23:29] well, this is pretty awesome! [23:29] again a silly question, how many hours in average can you spend on this section per week ? [23:30] hm, well i suppose i could set aside an hour or so each night- so 7 or 8 hours per week? [23:31] neat :D [23:31] i could do more, if you think it might help? [23:31] no no [23:31] the first thing that you must have in mind is to enjoy contributing [23:32] extra hours that are tiring won [23:32] t help essentially [23:32] haha ok [23:34] author have you tested our bzr branch in the past ? [23:34] a long time ago, not since ben stepped down [23:35] ok [23:35] its not that big of a deal to bzr pull the branch though [23:36] i just wanted to know if you would use bzr to push your work or the new system with odt files that new authors will use [23:37] so bzr works for you ? [23:37] yeah, i have experience using bzr for some of my own code projects [23:38] cool [23:38] let me know if you need anything [23:39] ok- i have a few questions, though. [23:39] fire them away [23:41] okay, so Im doing the IM section, testing on 11.10, and writing up content similar to the editions in the past. Are there any specifics that I should cover (other than just general use), or is it just open-ended? [23:42] because ive never actually contributed, i tended to just skim over any communications that covered the topic. [23:43] you may browse the 10.10 book to see how authors write things, it's not big deal [23:44] as an author you are free to add new subsections or remove existings [23:44] you choose this [23:44] ok. i wasnt sure if there was a set methodolgy that you folks stuck to. [23:45] no, no methology. you must only have in mind that the section you are working on should be understood from beginners, and shouldn't be too shot neither too long [23:46] by beginners i mean users that have previous experience with computers [23:46] novices, i guess the term would be? [23:46] i'm not a native speaker, but i guess that's a better term "novices" [23:47] anything else ? [23:48] one last- how much do you depend on the odt formatting for the writeups? I figure, because I am familiar with latex, its not that big of a problem to compose it already in the latex format [23:49] if it will screw up all of the works, however, then its not that big of a deal- i just thought it might be able to save some work in the long run [23:52] writeups ? [23:53] * c7p my engilsh aren't so good [23:53] the section that i am writing- sorry! :x [23:55] tomswartz07: You can write it directly in LaTeX if you like. [23:55] We're just offering the ODT option to authors who aren't familiar with LaTeX (and don't want to learn it). [23:56] ah, i understand now. [23:56] If you run 'make' to build the PDF (and ensure you didn't break anything) before committing, then it's perfectly fine to edit the .tex files directly. [23:57] godbyk: 'make'? im guessing that this is more involved than a simple pdflatex compile, correct?