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| DanaG | hmm, I got the same serial-console panic. Now, what was I supposed to do to debug it? | 01:37 |
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| DanaG | Or rather, it's not a panic, because at least ZNC is up. | 01:38 |
| DanaG | Yet, ssh is dead. | 01:38 |
| DanaG | Should I just try a 3.x kernel? | 01:38 |
| DanaG | Going to reboot. | 01:40 |
| squidly | anyone know what I need to do so I can copy UFW rules between servers? | 01:53 |
| DanaG | okay, I'm going to try 3.0.4 kernel. | 01:58 |
| DanaG | Not trying 3.1 until it's out of RC, since this is my server that I need to have stable. | 01:58 |
| squidly | DanaG: I'm running 3.0.4 on my desktop at work. I really like it. The 3.0.4 kernel is very stable | 02:04 |
| mdeslaur | squidly: look in /lib/ufw, there should be a user.rules file you can copy over | 02:09 |
| squidly | and how to I activate it? | 02:11 |
| DanaG | say, how do I disable the auto-blanking of tty0 (uvesafb)? | 02:12 |
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| patdk-lap | danag, looks like it's an asci thing | 02:16 |
| patdk-lap | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-server-73/how-to-disable-console-blanking-in-text-mode-780272/ | 02:16 |
| DanaG | ALso fiddling with serial console while I'm at it. | 02:18 |
| DanaG | Stupid HP... uses an IPMI chip that supports SOL, but doesn't expose that serial port. | 02:19 |
| DanaG | So I have to have a PCIe-1x serial port card. | 02:19 |
| patdk-lap | why not use ipmi over ip? | 02:19 |
| DanaG | Well, what I mean is: I got the HP remote access card for my Microserver, and there's no serial-over-LAN feature. There's a java viewer, but that's no good for grabbing stacktraces and all that. | 02:20 |
| DanaG | The IPMI chip itself, ASPEED AST2150, supports SOL... but HP's system BIOS doesn't expose it. | 02:21 |
| DanaG | going to reboot the server (also happens to have ZNC on it). | 02:22 |
| DanaG | http://pastebin.com/85CNMLK5 | 02:27 |
| DanaG | okay, so, grub doesn't like the pcie serial. | 02:27 |
| DanaG | Unknown serial port. :( | 02:27 |
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| DanaG | dangit, zfs modules don't like 3.0.4. | 02:38 |
| === DanaG_ is now known as DanaG | ||
| DanaG | http://pastebin.com/85CNMLK5 | 02:41 |
| DanaG | there's the serial console oops. | 02:41 |
| DanaG | I'll be swtiching to btrfs as soon as it has a fsck that'll fix things. | 02:43 |
| patdk-lap | heh, isn't that scheduled for sometime within the next 5 years? | 02:43 |
| patdk-lap | it just seems like play toys are more important for btrfs currently, than stability | 02:44 |
| DanaG | Byobu doesn't work over serial: | 02:53 |
| DanaG | strace: http://paste.ubuntu.com/700831/ | 02:53 |
| jmarsden | DanaG: That looks like a permissions issue on /var/run/screen, notthing related to it being a serial connection, to me ... ? | 02:56 |
| DanaG | What's weird is that the same permissions work fine over ssh. | 02:56 |
| DanaG | And the same sort of hang happens with aptitude, I think. | 02:57 |
| DanaG | I'll pastebin a strace of aptitude. | 02:57 |
| DanaG | heck, even fgconsole hangs. | 02:58 |
| DanaG | open("/proc/self/fd/0", O_RDWR | 02:58 |
| DanaG | And in fact, aptitude hangs when run normally, but when redirected to strace, it shows colors for a moment. | 02:59 |
| jmarsden | DanaG: For the aptitude ncurses UI to work, you would need an appropriate termtype set, is that (part of) the issue?? | 03:00 |
| DanaG | $TERM is "linux" | 03:01 |
| DanaG | http://paste.ubuntu.com/700835/ | 03:01 |
| DanaG | there's aptitude. Did 2>aptitude.txt and then gave it sigquit when it hung. | 03:01 |
| DanaG | Then sent the contents of aptitude.txt to pastebinit. | 03:01 |
| jmarsden | Are you on ttyS5 ? That looks like it looked at at /dev/tty0 and then tried to open /dev/ttyS5 and ... it all ended! I'm guessing, but you could check permissions on both /var/run/screen and the serial device (/dev/ttyS5 or whatever it really is). | 03:08 |
| DanaG | The second trace is just running aptitude, so screen is out of the picture. | 03:13 |
| DanaG | And yup, the serial console is ttyS5. | 03:13 |
| DanaG | There's no 0 or 1 or 2 or 3.... just 4 and 5. | 03:13 |
| DanaG | hmm, even as root, aptitude hangs the same way. | 03:19 |
| jmarsden | Any difference if you do export TERM=vt100 ; reset $TERM first? | 03:20 |
| nronksr | What is the output from the following on an ubuntu server's portmapper?: strings /sbin/portmap | grep hosts | 03:28 |
| nronksr | I'm looking specifically at 10.04, but any would do at this point. Thanks! | 03:28 |
| DanaG | jmarsden: yup, that gives me a monochrome aptitude. | 03:29 |
| DanaG | Oddly, exporting TERM=screen works, as well. | 03:29 |
| DanaG | Though, it does use this on the "quit?" dialog: | 03:29 |
| DanaG | lqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqk | 03:29 |
| jmarsden | DanaG: OK. So the issue was the termtype... good. Now you need to figure out what termtype your terminal "really" is so you can set one that works 100%. It's been 15 years since I worked with termcap and termtype :) | 03:31 |
| DanaG | dangit, same oops on closing serial console. | 03:37 |
| DanaG | good, 2.6.39 seems to work. | 04:50 |
| jakemp-home | I'm setting up ubuntu server 11.04, and I keep getting "Don't seem to have all the variables for eth0/inet" when I try to 'sudo ifup eth0'. I'm following the ubuntu server guile page for this | 05:06 |
| bfri | can anyone help me set up a pptp vpn | 05:07 |
| iggi_ | Hello, does anyone have a link to a good guide on how to connect to VPN (I'm using OpenVPN) via command line in ubuntu server? | 06:24 |
| jmarsden | iggi_: It is not Ubuntu-specific, but the OpenVPN Mini-HOWTO for a really basic setup is at http://openvpn.net/index.php/open-source/documentation/miscellaneous/78-static-key-mini-howto.html | 06:38 |
| iggi_ | jmarsden, Thanks, I'm just trying to figure out how to setup multiple VPN connections on a monitoring server to monitor hosts behind firewalls at various locations | 06:40 |
| uvirtbot | New bug: #864495 in samba (main) "package samba-common 2:3.5.4~dfsg-1ubuntu8.4 failed to install/upgrade: there is no script in the new version of the package - giving up" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/864495 | 08:11 |
| D0minat0r | is it possible to have a usb webcam live feed on ubuntu server without installing gui? | 08:51 |
| smw | D0minat0r, I think vlc can do that | 09:00 |
| smw | D0minat0r, that is where I would look | 09:00 |
| D0minat0r | smw: ok thanks will look into it | 09:13 |
| Dulcin | Hi I'm not sure if this is making sense but: For our current domain I have set up google apps and am using google's mx records for email | 09:26 |
| Dulcin | but now I'm setting up an smtp server on our server as well, which I only want to use for our automatic mails sent through PHP | 09:27 |
| Dulcin | does that make sense? and does it require a new mx record or should I keep the hostname in the settings the same as the IP? | 09:28 |
| Dulcin | is TLS good to set up, even if postfix is set to a null configuration? | 10:37 |
| ikonia | what ? | 10:48 |
| ikonia | null configuration ? | 10:48 |
| ikonia | "good to setup" ? | 10:48 |
| ikonia | Dulcin: any chance you could try to re-ask that question explaining a little better ? | 10:48 |
| dnmons | Hi. My postfix is not listing auth capability after tls/ehlo. I’m trying to use dovecot sasl. no helpful information in error log. I’m hoping someone can offer advice. postconf -n http://pastebin.com/yrpCe7jf and dovecot -n http://pastebin.com/LpkxQtBz IMAP/dovecot itself is working. | 10:55 |
| ikonia | dnmons: dovecot and postfix are two seperate things, which one is not working | 10:55 |
| dnmons | ikonia: I assume dovecot is working just fine. as authenticating against it works. and it is the smtp connection that is not offering auth capabilities. | 10:56 |
| ikonia | so forget dovecot, just focus on postfix | 10:57 |
| Dulcin | ikonia: Well, I took that 'null setup' from the postfix documentation, let me try and explain what I want | 12:06 |
| Dulcin | ikonia: I currently have Google Apps set up which handles all the mail. But now I want our website to send mail securely as well. So I set up postfix, and since I only want the webserver to send mail (and not receive) I figured I can set it up in a 'null client'* | 12:08 |
| Dulcin | At first I tried to set it up with SASL and try sending with TLS, but I couldn't get that to work and while reading up on postfix, I noticed the null client might even be better | 12:09 |
| Dulcin | so my questions was... | 12:09 |
| Dulcin | does my mailserver need its own mx record, or since I'm only sending mail, it is obsolete | 12:09 |
| Dulcin | and can I leave the TLS/SASL/certificate, etc. out of my setup, if it is only set up as a 'null client' | 12:10 |
| Dulcin | ikonia: like: since nobody else can use it anyway (i think), I dont need to add an extra security layer | 12:11 |
| Dulcin | maybe I'm way off with my reasoning | 12:11 |
| Olotila | is virtualized ubuntu inside ubuntu fast? | 13:32 |
| Olotila | I'm using 11.04 now but need 10.04LTS because it supports my new raid adapter | 13:34 |
| JanC_ | Olotila: some things are very fast when virtualised using hardware that assists virtualisation, other things get more of a performance hit, and there are also differences between virtualisation technologies, so there is no simple answer to your question ☺ | 13:38 |
| === JanC_ is now known as JanC | ||
| JanC | also, why doesn't 11.04 support your raid adapter? | 13:39 |
| JanC | (and why don't you use software raid instead?) | 13:39 |
| Olotila | not sure why, it is adaptec 6805E and they boast about their support for Linux | 13:43 |
| Olotila | gave "too many errors" when I tried | 13:43 |
| Olotila | I use hw raid because I use both windows and linux | 13:44 |
| Olotila | I used mobo raid (intel ich10r) but it's not supported in linux | 13:44 |
| Olotila | if I used sw raid it would not work in windows | 13:45 |
| Olotila | my virtualized usage would be almost 100% usual surfing and getting to know Ubuntu | 13:47 |
| Olotila | using max 10% of my current PC resources | 13:47 |
| Olotila | 4(+4) cores, 6GB ram | 13:48 |
| RoyK | Olotila: 11.04 isn't too good a choice for servers anyway | 13:54 |
| ppetraki | Olotila, if you're really that concerned about performance, go ahead and install 10.04 to the RAID and the use a recovery CD | 13:54 |
| ppetraki | Olotila, from the recovery CD, chroot to your RAID, and then install a "backports LTS" kernel, like the Natty one | 13:54 |
| ppetraki | Olotila, which should get you the HW support you desire | 13:55 |
| RoyK | Olotila: that ich10r raid controller isn't a real raid controller | 13:55 |
| ppetraki | RoyK, he's got an Adaptec too | 13:56 |
| RoyK | ppetraki: so I saw - just wanted to comment on that intel thing | 13:56 |
| RoyK | Olotila: i'm running a few VMs virtualized with kvm - works like a charm | 13:56 |
| RoyK | one of the VMs is running Zimbra, which can be a bit on the heavy side | 13:57 |
| RoyK | still works well, on an old core2 duo | 13:57 |
| ppetraki | Olotila, just confirmed that there is a "natty lts backport" package: linux-image-server-lts-backport-natty | 13:57 |
| RoyK | ppetraki: why would he need that? | 13:58 |
| ppetraki | RoyK, so he could run 10.04 on baremetal | 13:59 |
| RoyK | why can't he just use the lucid kernel? | 13:59 |
| ppetraki | RoyK, iif he's *that* concerned with performance | 13:59 |
| RoyK | newer kernel != better performance | 13:59 |
| ppetraki | RoyK, "<Olotila> I'm using 11.04 now but need 10.04LTS because it supports my new raid adapter" | 14:00 |
| RoyK | 'cept with oneiric comes xen, which is a wee jump in performance | 14:00 |
| ppetraki | RoyK, implies 10.04 doesn't support that HW | 14:00 |
| RoyK | ppetraki: what he said there was that 11.04 didn't support his hardware | 14:00 |
| RoyK | Olotila: can you clear this out, please? does 11.04 support your hardware? | 14:01 |
| ppetraki | RoyK, that doesn't make sense. how does a older release have the hardware enablement he needs? | 14:01 |
| RoyK | bugs do happen | 14:02 |
| ppetraki | well, that would be a bug :) | 14:02 |
| * RoyK even sticks to hardy on some machines | 14:02 | |
| JanC | there might be a closed source driver for LTS or something... | 14:03 |
| JanC | Olotila: if you just want to do surfing with Ubuntu, why don't you run an Ubuntu VM on your existing Windows? ;) | 14:05 |
| JanC | in any case, performance probably won't be an issue for surfing | 14:05 |
| ppetraki | RoyK, it looks like the aaraid driver but I can't find a hit for that product id in the pci ids list, in either lucid or natty | 14:08 |
| JanC | even a 400 MHz machine with 256 MiB of RAM is fast enough for surfing... | 14:08 |
| RoyK | oh - same old pci id issue | 14:08 |
| ppetraki | Olotila, could you provide a pci id for the Adaptec card? | 14:09 |
| RoyK | JanC: erm - that depends where you surf :P | 14:09 |
| * RoyK thinks Olotila has fallen asleep | 14:09 | |
| ppetraki | :) | 14:09 |
| ppetraki | Adaptec provides a dkms for "debian 5 and Ubuntu 10.04", even a package for the installer | 14:10 |
| JanC | RoyK: maybe if you want to play Doom ported to WebGL & JavaScript that is not enough, but basically for every other website it's plenty ;) | 14:10 |
| RoyK | JanC: add some java and flash and html5 and js and whatever's in use out there, and your 400MHz machine will choke itself before you get the average news site opened | 14:11 |
| JanC | most news sites work fine without JavaScript actually ;) | 14:11 |
| * RoyK just got a pandaboard - little single board thing with a dual-core Cortex A9, some helper cores at 266MHz, 1GB RAM, wifi, SD card and cameras connectors, dual HDMI out, total <$200 | 14:13 | |
| RoyK | no need for some old power-consuming 400MHz beast then... | 14:14 |
| JanC | right, I was just talking about what performance is really *needed* | 14:14 |
| RoyK | that depends on use | 14:15 |
| RoyK | what about your average dual-core 1GHz coretex9 in your new phone? ;) | 14:15 |
| RoyK | btw, this is rather fun http://pandaboard.org/ | 14:16 |
| JanC | even a simple single-core Cortex A8 can play full HD movies while surfing all you want... (your pandaboard has 4 cores!) | 14:17 |
| RoyK | yeah, but only two general purpose-cores | 14:17 |
| RoyK | the smaller ones must be programmed with specific API calls | 14:17 |
| JanC | it has 4 GP cores IIRC, but 2 of them are very slow (but also consume almost no power)? | 14:18 |
| RoyK | but fine for offloading simple stuff like controlling a camera without waking up the main cores | 14:18 |
| JanC | might require special API calls indeed | 14:18 |
| RoyK | they do - I checked... | 14:18 |
| JanC | but I guess that also depends on the OS | 14:19 |
| RoyK | well, it's probably possible to have the OS handle that, but I really don't want to start to rewrite the linux scheduler | 14:19 |
| JanC | and of course it also has several special purpose cores | 14:19 |
| JanC | for encoding/decoding video, for graphics, etc. | 14:20 |
| JanC | basically, it's more advanced than your desktop processor ;) | 14:20 |
| RoyK | it's neat :) | 14:22 |
| JanC | the only disadvantage being that there is no proper driver for the GPU core... | 14:23 |
| JanC | personally I'd rather see a similar board with s BTW ☺ | 14:25 |
| JanC | personally I'd rather see a similar board with lots of SATA adapters BTW ☺ | 14:25 |
| RoyK | indeed :D | 14:25 |
| RoyK | I wonder... | 14:26 |
| JanC | would be great for building a NAS / home server | 14:26 |
| JanC | and maybe you could off-load RAID computations to the low-power cores | 14:26 |
| JanC | and maybe also encryption | 14:27 |
| RoyK | those A9s would do well for that | 14:27 |
| JanC | both disk & network encryption | 14:27 |
| JanC | it should be possible to create a fantastic A9 and/or A15 based SoC for home/SoHo servers | 14:28 |
| * patdk-lap wonders if the market for one is high enough | 14:29 | |
| JanC | patdk-lap: if I see how many NAS are sold currently, there should be | 14:30 |
| RoyK | JanC: AFAICS the only interface for mass storage on the panda is usb | 14:30 |
| JanC | RoyK: I know, I looked at it as a possible replacement for an existing NAS ;) | 14:31 |
| JanC | there is no proper PCI interface to extend it either | 14:32 |
| JanC | PCIe | 14:32 |
| JanC | and the GPU is useless for that purpose | 14:32 |
| JanC | so obviously OMAP SoC's are designed for another purpose | 14:33 |
| RoyK | I just asked on #pandaboard and was told | 14:33 |
| RoyK | drscott> RoyK - I have not found a sata interface for the panda board - however the freescale i.mx53 quick start board has a chip-supported sata port | 14:33 |
| JanC | that's what is used in the "Plug" computers IIRC? | 14:34 |
| RoyK | dunno | 14:34 |
| JanC | or at least something like that | 14:34 |
| * RoyK checks lshw on his guruplug | 14:34 | |
| RoyK | hm.. nothing there | 14:35 |
| sampiale | Hello | 14:35 |
| JanC | RoyK: nothing in /proc/cpuinfo either? | 14:35 |
| RoyK | http://paste.ubuntu.com/701061/ | 14:37 |
| RoyK | btw, if you ever get a guruplug or similar, don't try lucid on it :P | 14:37 |
| patdk-lap | royk, heh, oi fell completely over when I attempted to use both my ib interfaces at once :) | 14:38 |
| RoyK | wtf? | 14:38 |
| patdk-lap | I was getting about 350MB/sec over both ib links, one at a time, if I used both at the same time 36MB/sec | 14:39 |
| RoyK | ouch | 14:39 |
| patdk-lap | had to do some /etc/system tweaking, and it's getting me a good 800MB/sec over both now :) | 14:39 |
| RoyK | neat | 14:39 |
| patdk-lap | at the same time | 14:39 |
| RoyK | what sort of ib? | 14:40 |
| patdk-lap | just 10g currently | 14:40 |
| RoyK | I didn't know there was a 10g | 14:40 |
| patdk-lap | heh? normal is 10g 20g and 40g | 14:40 |
| RoyK | or 8/16/32... | 14:40 |
| patdk-lap | for throughput rates | 14:41 |
| RoyK | ah | 14:41 |
| RoyK | ic | 14:41 |
| patdk-lap | signalling rates is what they go by, like with FC | 14:41 |
| RoyK | ic | 14:41 |
| RoyK | patdk-lap: mass storage? | 14:42 |
| patdk-lap | attempting to replace a netapp | 14:42 |
| patdk-lap | looked like iscsi fixed all my random seek test issues | 14:44 |
| patdk-lap | so I will probably use a mix of iscsi and nfs | 14:44 |
| RoyK | k | 14:45 |
| RoyK | what sort of hardware/drives? | 14:45 |
| patdk-lap | x8sia-f, 3.3ghz i3, 20 ultrastore a7k | 14:48 |
| RoyK | i3??? | 14:48 |
| patdk-lap | ya | 14:48 |
| RoyK | wouldn't you want ECC on such a box? | 14:48 |
| patdk-lap | it has ecc | 14:48 |
| patdk-lap | only ecc is supported | 14:48 |
| RoyK | i3 doesn't support ECC | 14:48 |
| patdk-lap | you mean, registered is not supported | 14:48 |
| RoyK | the memory controller in i[357] doesn't use ECC | 14:48 |
| RoyK | you need a xeon for that | 14:49 |
| RoyK | http://www.intel.com/support/processors/corei3/sb/CS-031175.htm#10 | 14:49 |
| patdk-lap | ya, so ecc memory is required, but the ecc is not used | 14:49 |
| JanC | lol, what's the use for that? :P | 14:50 |
| JanC | I mean, having to buy expensive memory that has no benefits? | 14:51 |
| RoyK | patdk-lap: the mobo may require ecc memory, but the memory controller, residing in the processor package, doesn't use it | 14:52 |
| patdk-lap | well, it's only going be in use for a few months | 14:52 |
| RoyK | patdk-lap: you're not the first to make that mistake - I had an i3 replaced by a xeon just a few months back :P | 14:52 |
| patdk-lap | till it goes back offline again | 14:52 |
| RoyK | data corruption can still be rather expensive | 14:53 |
| RoyK | and a new Xeon to fit into that socket can be rather cheap | 14:53 |
| patdk-lap | there are hundred of other places for datacorruption also | 14:53 |
| RoyK | the new xeon is likely to be about the same price as one of the drives :P | 14:54 |
| patdk-lap | looks like $350 for a 2.9ghz | 14:54 |
| RoyK | still, that'll give you ECC | 14:54 |
| patdk-lap | drives are like half the price of the cheapeast x34xx | 14:54 |
| RoyK | what sort of disk layout? mirrors? | 14:55 |
| patdk-lap | just mirrors | 14:55 |
| * RoyK thinks it's rather silly to give up ECC on such a system | 14:55 | |
| RoyK | a7k 2TB? | 14:56 |
| patdk-lap | 1tb drives | 14:57 |
| patdk-lap | don't need the space at all | 14:57 |
| RoyK | database or VMs? | 14:57 |
| patdk-lap | probably end up using it for crapload of snapshots | 14:57 |
| patdk-lap | neither | 14:57 |
| patdk-lap | 14:57 | |
| RoyK | k | 14:57 |
| RoyK | 9-10TB for email sounds roomy ;) | 14:58 |
| patdk-lap | currently using 1.6 | 14:58 |
| RoyK | with dedup on that netapp? | 14:58 |
| patdk-lap | but need the spindles | 14:58 |
| patdk-lap | nope | 14:58 |
| RoyK | some SSDs for caching as well? | 14:59 |
| patdk-lap | it's a netapp that doesn't support anything than nfs | 14:59 |
| RoyK | oh | 14:59 |
| patdk-lap | ya, have ssd's on the way, think they got lost in shipping | 14:59 |
| patdk-lap | netapp can't even support dedup if we wanted | 14:59 |
| RoyK | old one? | 14:59 |
| patdk-lap | fas270, not even a fas270c | 15:00 |
| patdk-lap | so far my tests show good performance on everything, about 6x increase, excepted for that random seek test I was doing, but I can't replicate that test correctly currently | 15:01 |
| RoyK | how much for the whole system? | 15:01 |
| RoyK | just a SM 24slot chassis? | 15:02 |
| patdk-lap | 4.6k about | 15:02 |
| RoyK | USD? EUR? ISK? | 15:02 |
| patdk-lap | usd | 15:02 |
| RoyK | not bad | 15:02 |
| patdk-lap | think I'm going use the 5k3000 for the next one | 15:03 |
| RoyK | won't that be a bit low on the seek times? | 15:03 |
| patdk-lap | 70 vs 81 per drive | 15:03 |
| patdk-lap | but going put it into backup service | 15:04 |
| Olotila | ppetraki, RoyK, JanC, sorry fell asleep ... nah, just rl stuff | 15:04 |
| patdk-lap | to hold a mirror copy, and to stream to tape | 15:04 |
| Olotila | adapter is Adaptec 6805E | 15:04 |
| Olotila | when installling, it reports "too many errors" | 15:04 |
| Olotila | thats why I started thinking other options | 15:04 |
| RoyK | Olotila: that's on lucid? | 15:05 |
| RoyK | patdk-lap: the 7k3000s aren't too expensive, though | 15:05 |
| Olotila | performance is not the main issue | 15:05 |
| patdk-lap | royk, ya, but 3g only :( | 15:05 |
| patdk-lap | they are slowing down the whole bus | 15:05 |
| Olotila | I rather go on native hw, and virtualization seems a little silly | 15:06 |
| RoyK | patdk-lap: 7k2000? | 15:06 |
| patdk-lap | I could cut my resilver time in half with 6g | 15:06 |
| Olotila | but if that is way easiest, i could go that way | 15:06 |
| RoyK | patdk-lap: the new 7k2000 are 6g | 15:06 |
| Olotila | but if i get drivers to 11.04, that would be ideal | 15:06 |
| RoyK | patdk-lap: Hitachi HDS723020BLA642 | 15:07 |
| Olotila | natty lts backport seems to be "deleted" atm | 15:07 |
| Olotila | I do have Ubunti in VM too, but I prefer native environment | 15:07 |
| RoyK | Olotila: linux-image-2.6.38-11-server ? | 15:07 |
| patdk-lap | royk, odd, they are not listed on hitachi's website, only 3g's | 15:08 |
| RoyK | I have about 160 of those | 15:08 |
| Olotila | this is 11.04 x64 desktop | 15:08 |
| RoyK | Olotila: apt-cache search linux-image | 15:08 |
| patdk-lap | heh, you guys have it backwards | 15:09 |
| RoyK | patdk-lap: and they have written 6g on the drives | 15:09 |
| patdk-lap | he wants to run a lucid kernel on natty :) | 15:09 |
| RoyK | oh | 15:09 |
| RoyK | Olotila: install lucid :P | 15:09 |
| patdk-lap | royk, those are 7k3000's, not 7k2000 | 15:09 |
| RoyK | still 2TB | 15:09 |
| RoyK | bought 150 of them and got them for a little less than $100 a piece | 15:10 |
| RoyK | s/less/more - $101,something | 15:10 |
| RoyK | Olotila: sorry - is it the 11.04 kernel that complains about these errors, or the lucid kernel? | 15:11 |
| Olotila | Royk, yeah, I did fail to install 10.04 to this hw | 15:12 |
| Olotila | RoyK, yes | 15:13 |
| RoyK | Olotila: latest 10.04.3 cd? | 15:13 |
| Olotila | arg sorry, the 11.04 complains | 15:13 |
| Olotila | yes, latest | 15:13 |
| RoyK | erm.. does 10.04 or 11.04 complain? | 15:14 |
| * RoyK is slightly confused | 15:14 | |
| Olotila | 11.04 says too many errors | 15:14 |
| RoyK | then don't use it | 15:14 |
| RoyK | use lucid | 15:14 |
| RoyK | meaning 10.04 | 15:14 |
| Olotila | 10.04 does not install natively | 15:14 |
| RoyK | oh | 15:14 |
| Olotila | just hangs | 15:14 |
| RoyK | try hardy ;) | 15:14 |
| Olotila | i might try harder :) | 15:16 |
| RoyK | hardy == 8.04 | 15:16 |
| RoyK | still supported | 15:16 |
| Olotila | i could try cd install instead of usb-stick, and a few different isos | 15:17 |
| RoyK | it shouldn't make much difference installing from a CD or an USB stick | 15:17 |
| Olotila | yeah, i know | 15:17 |
| Olotila | *shouldnt, one of the ugliest words known to man :) | 15:18 |
| RoyK | maybe... | 15:18 |
| Olotila | i usually flinch when i hear "it should work" | 15:18 |
| RoyK | :) | 15:19 |
| RoyK | perhaps Oneiric beta? :) | 15:19 |
| Olotila | is there any good advice when trying to install ubuntu and it does not want to complete the installation? | 15:19 |
| JanC | maybe the drivers are not included... | 15:19 |
| Olotila | any general tips | 15:20 |
| RoyK | Olotila: where in the installation does it hang? | 15:20 |
| RoyK | Olotila: also, is this a desktop or server installation? | 15:20 |
| Olotila | will not even show the ubuntu text and the five balls | 15:20 |
| RoyK | desktop has far more bits and is harder to debug | 15:20 |
| Olotila | either one would do | 15:20 |
| RoyK | does the cd bootup fail? | 15:20 |
| RoyK | or usb | 15:21 |
| RoyK | or whatever | 15:21 |
| RoyK | if so, try noacpi and noapic | 15:21 |
| RoyK | as a start | 15:21 |
| Olotila | it does not go very far, cannot even "try" ubuntu | 15:21 |
| RoyK | iirc press f6 and you'll get those choices from there | 15:21 |
| RoyK | Olotila: 'try ubuntu' implies you're installing desktop, not server | 15:21 |
| Olotila | so server installs more likely, and I can better my odds with those choises I get with F6? | 15:22 |
| Olotila | and disable acpi from bios? | 15:23 |
| RoyK | just try server first | 15:23 |
| Olotila | ok | 15:23 |
| RoyK | it should be more verbose than desktop | 15:23 |
| Olotila | does it write log somewhere? | 15:23 |
| RoyK | meaning better at yelling at you | 15:23 |
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| RoyK | no logs before the system is installed | 15:24 |
| RoyK | but it'll log to the console | 15:24 |
| RoyK | which should suffice | 15:24 |
| Olotila | yeah | 15:24 |
| patdk-lap | hmm, if the ubuntu with the balls appear, that means the kernel is done loading, and it's started the init scripts | 15:24 |
| patdk-lap | so it's working | 15:24 |
| patdk-lap | just some startup thing is holding it up | 15:24 |
| Olotila | any difference between 32 and 64 bit? | 15:25 |
| RoyK | Olotila: yeah, one is 32bit, the other is 64bit | 15:25 |
| patdk-lap | dunno why you keep talking about the desktop install though, in the server channel | 15:25 |
| Olotila | RoyK, i mean the odds of successfull installing | 15:25 |
| * RoyK hands patdk-lap a beer | 15:25 | |
| RoyK | Olotila: none whatsoever, if you're on a 64bit machine | 15:25 |
| Olotila | patdk-lap, because I know here are pretty knowledgeable guys :) | 15:26 |
| RoyK | Olotila: if you're on a 32bit machine, installing 64bit is quite likely to fail early :P | 15:26 |
| patdk-lap | hehe, I have had all kinds of issues some machines | 15:26 |
| patdk-lap | have a motherboard, that I put a 64bit cpu in, no issue | 15:26 |
| Olotila | and i am installing server stuff too | 15:26 |
| patdk-lap | but the motherboard refuses to boot any 64bit or even pae kernels | 15:26 |
| patdk-lap | only worked in plain 32bit mode | 15:26 |
| RoyK | Olotila: thing is, this channel is for the server _distro_, not the server bits | 15:26 |
| RoyK | patdk-lap: wtf? something you got cheap on ebay? ;) | 15:26 |
| patdk-lap | some msi neo motherboard | 15:27 |
| patdk-lap | was only for a home desktop system | 15:27 |
| patdk-lap | also had 4 memory slots, but you where only allowed to use 2 at a time | 15:28 |
| patdk-lap | very strange motherboard | 15:28 |
| RoyK | patdk-lap: hehe | 15:29 |
| Olotila | Well, I'll try your advice and perhaps chat from within 10.04 server | 15:30 |
| Olotila | thanks, thumbs up | 15:30 |
| RoyK | patdk-lap: I've come by mobos that work well with either two or four memory modules, but clocked them down if all four were installed | 15:30 |
| RoyK | Olotila: break a leg :) | 15:30 |
| patdk-lap | royk, that is normal on all intel mmu systems | 15:30 |
| RoyK | oh | 15:31 |
| RoyK | it is? | 15:31 |
| patdk-lap | the intel memory thing, has channels, and each channel supports 2 or 3 sticks | 15:31 |
| patdk-lap | depending on if it's desktop or server model | 15:31 |
| patdk-lap | if you use and adition stick, for 3 or 4, then the bus goes 800mhz instead of normal | 15:31 |
| patdk-lap | or if you use qrank memory | 15:31 |
| patdk-lap | nice if you need bulk memory | 15:32 |
| patdk-lap | bad if you need to access memory quickly | 15:32 |
| RoyK | so I guess we should have bought fewer, larger modules for our compute nodes? | 15:32 |
| patdk-lap | as long as they where dual rank sticks | 15:33 |
| RoyK | quad | 15:33 |
| RoyK | it's opteron | 15:33 |
| patdk-lap | dunno about opteron | 15:33 |
| patdk-lap | but quad rank normally will slow any intel system down to 800mhz, and you can't use the extra slot | 15:33 |
| KM0201 | how can i see a list of running services? | 15:33 |
| RoyK | but then, with quad, we get a bit wider memory buses than on xeon | 15:34 |
| RoyK | KM0201: ps axf | 15:34 |
| patdk-lap | heh? | 15:34 |
| patdk-lap | quad what? | 15:34 |
| KM0201 | RoyK: thats a little to detailed | 15:34 |
| patdk-lap | km0201, little too detailed :) | 15:34 |
| KM0201 | i was looking for... if samba is running, if mysql is running, etc. | 15:35 |
| patdk-lap | service mysql status | 15:35 |
| patdk-lap | service samba status | 15:35 |
| patdk-lap | ... | 15:35 |
| RoyK | or even | 15:35 |
| RoyK | status mysql | 15:35 |
| KM0201 | yeah, that would work, then i'd have to go through and type that command for each service. | 15:37 |
| RoyK | KM0201: afaik, ubuntu doesn't have any better way to do that | 15:37 |
| KM0201 | yeah, thats the realization i was coming to as well. | 15:38 |
| patdk-lap | hmm, how evil | 15:38 |
| patdk-lap | hp infiniband switchs don't support any subnet manager | 15:38 |
| RoyK | patdk-lap: what's a subnet manager? | 15:39 |
| patdk-lap | it manages infiniband routing basically | 15:40 |
| patdk-lap | without it it would be like ethernet without arp | 15:40 |
| JanC | KM0201: "initctl list" ? | 15:40 |
| patdk-lap | you can run a subnet manager on a windows/linux machine (not on solaris) if you want | 15:41 |
| JanC | (and maybe filter out what's running) | 15:41 |
| patdk-lap | but as I was going vmware/oi, that isn't nice | 15:41 |
| KM0201 | JanC: that's what i'd like to do, is filter out what is running | 15:41 |
| KM0201 | that one is close though | 15:41 |
| patdk-lap | might have to hang one of my old machines and give it a infiniband card to connect and do that then :( | 15:41 |
| JanC | well, grep for "start/running" I guess ;) | 15:41 |
| patdk-lap | at home here, my infiniband switch has it built in, so it's all nice :) | 15:42 |
| JanC | or maybe even just "running" | 15:42 |
| VampsDaBeast | what would be the best minimium GUI for 10.04 that will be used to run game servers like Nexuiz, and the like. | 19:01 |
| TomasBrincil | GUI like graphic user interface? | 19:03 |
| VampsDaBeast | TomasBrincil, yea, like XFCE and th elike | 19:03 |
| TomasBrincil | it does not matter, i guess... | 19:04 |
| VampsDaBeast | wouldnt want any thing to heavy though correct? | 19:05 |
| VampsDaBeast | like xfce or lxde would prolly work best | 19:05 |
| TomasBrincil | i bet, both of them will work.. | 19:06 |
| VampsDaBeast | kool..thanks | 19:06 |
| RoyK | VampsDaBeast: apt-get install ubuntu-desktop | 19:07 |
| qman__ | they'll all work | 19:11 |
| qman__ | if you want bare minimum, go with something like xdm or icewm | 19:11 |
| qman__ | or any of the other super minimalist ones | 19:11 |
| pmatulis | sudo aptitude install lubuntu-desktop | 19:12 |
| pmatulis | ah, prolly not available on 10.04 | 19:13 |
| qman__ | regardless, even a more lightweight desktop is still a full desktop | 19:13 |
| qman__ | I took it he needed a bare minimum window manager to run a poorly designed server that won't run without X | 19:13 |
| qman__ | like ut2k4's | 19:14 |
| * RoyK remember setting up a 386dx20 with X, fvvm2, with 2MB RAM, back in 1994 or so | 19:15 | |
| RoyK | it took the box some 2-3 minutes to start a simple app :P | 19:15 |
| VampsDaBeast | now really qman.. | 19:20 |
| VampsDaBeast | not** | 19:20 |
| VampsDaBeast | i'm working towards making a box that will run some of the linux based FPS like Nexuiz, OpenaArena and the like. | 19:20 |
| VampsDaBeast | but as d-servers instead of played on | 19:21 |
| qman__ | properly designed dedicated game servers don't need X | 19:22 |
| qman__ | that said, there are plenty that are not properly designed | 19:23 |
| VampsDaBeast | so to run many of those as dedicated servers.. all i need is ssh? | 19:24 |
| VampsDaBeast | so to speak | 19:25 |
| qman__ | a correctly written game server is the same as any other server, it just runs in the background and logs output when necessary | 19:25 |
| qman__ | possibly provides an interface | 19:25 |
| qman__ | unfortunately many are not designed this way | 19:25 |
| qman__ | srcds, for example, will only run on an interactive console | 19:26 |
| qman__ | and as mentioned, ut2k4 spawns its own interactive X-based console | 19:26 |
| qman__ | I don't know about nexuiz or openarena, but if made right, they shouldn't need anything of the sort running | 19:27 |
| qman__ | minecraft also only runs on an interactive console | 19:28 |
| VampsDaBeast | so again, i would only need open ssh | 19:29 |
| qman__ | only if you need remote shell access | 19:29 |
| VampsDaBeast | not many server's have heads do they? | 19:29 |
| qman__ | my point is, ssh is not a requirement for a game server | 19:30 |
| qman__ | it's simply accessory | 19:30 |
| qman__ | you probably want it | 19:30 |
| qman__ | but it's not required | 19:30 |
| VampsDaBeast | ok | 19:30 |
| VampsDaBeast | is there any packages for monitoring? | 19:31 |
| qman__ | depends on what you want to monitor | 19:31 |
| qman__ | there's tons of them | 19:31 |
| VampsDaBeast | some that would monitor the game server setup | 19:31 |
| qman__ | depends on that game server | 19:32 |
| qman__ | it's not really a standard thing | 19:32 |
| VampsDaBeast | i'm just gettin awake so words arent coming to me | 19:32 |
| qman__ | each game or game engine does its own thing | 19:32 |
| qman__ | you could port monitor to see if it's up, or monitor that the process is running, but that's about it regarding the game server itself | 19:32 |
| VampsDaBeast | how bout activity? | 19:33 |
| VampsDaBeast | like number of users connected, map , stats | 19:33 |
| VampsDaBeast | stuff ike that.. | 19:33 |
| qman__ | all part of the game server you're running | 19:34 |
| qman__ | if it's available at all, it's going to be specific to your game | 19:34 |
| VampsDaBeast | the game i'm lookin at is nexuiz. | 19:34 |
| qman__ | I don't know about it, I've never used it | 19:35 |
| qman__ | but you'll have to see the documentation on the game server | 19:35 |
| qman__ | probably check out any communities around the game | 19:35 |
| qman__ | that sort of information only exists inside the game, and as such is specific to each game or game engine, it's not something you can poll in a standard manner | 19:37 |
| VampsDaBeast | ok | 19:37 |
| qman__ | you might be able to load scripts for that game server, or write something up to parse log files if it has some | 19:37 |
| iFire | What's the successor to JeOS? | 22:00 |
| iFire | ubuntu-vm-builder in some form | 22:01 |
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| args[0] | is there any good tutorial on how to install ventrilo on a ubuntu server? | 23:36 |
| KM0201 | args[0]: this is for 9.10 but.. it may point you in the right direction. | 23:38 |
| KM0201 | http://rocketeerbkw.com/content/installing-ventrilo-server-ubuntu-910-karmic-koala | 23:38 |
| args[0] | I was checking that out earlier, but I asked myself.. why should I create a user just for ventrilo? KM0201 | 23:38 |
| KM0201 | args[0]: honestly, i was just wondering that myself.. but some people just do stuff like that (for instance, I create FTP user for FTP access) | 23:39 |
| args[0] | KM0201: hmm.. I see. Thanks for your input. | 23:40 |
| KM0201 | args[0]: if thats your only deal breaker though... you can easily skip that step. | 23:40 |
| args[0] | KM0201: true | 23:40 |
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