[01:37] <DanaG> hmm, I got the same serial-console panic.  Now, what was I supposed to do to debug it?
[01:38] <DanaG> Or rather, it's not a panic, because at least ZNC is up.
[01:38] <DanaG> Yet, ssh is dead.
[01:38] <DanaG> Should I just try a 3.x kernel?
[01:40] <DanaG> Going to reboot.
[01:53] <squidly> anyone know what I need to do so I can copy UFW rules between servers?
[01:58] <DanaG> okay, I'm going to try 3.0.4 kernel.
[01:58] <DanaG> Not trying 3.1 until it's out of RC, since this is my server that I need to have stable.
[02:04] <squidly> DanaG: I'm running 3.0.4 on my desktop at work. I really like it. The 3.0.4 kernel is very stable
[02:09] <mdeslaur> squidly: look in /lib/ufw, there should be a user.rules file you can copy over
[02:11] <squidly> and how to I activate it?
[02:12] <DanaG> say, how do I disable the auto-blanking of tty0 (uvesafb)?
[02:16] <patdk-lap> danag, looks like it's an asci thing
[02:16] <patdk-lap> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-server-73/how-to-disable-console-blanking-in-text-mode-780272/
[02:18] <DanaG> ALso fiddling with serial console while I'm at it.
[02:19] <DanaG> Stupid HP... uses an IPMI chip that supports SOL, but doesn't expose that serial port.
[02:19] <DanaG> So I have to have a PCIe-1x serial port card.
[02:19] <patdk-lap> why not use ipmi over ip?
[02:20] <DanaG> Well, what I mean is: I got the HP remote access card for my Microserver, and there's no serial-over-LAN feature.  There's a java viewer, but that's no good for grabbing stacktraces and all that.
[02:21] <DanaG> The IPMI chip itself, ASPEED AST2150, supports SOL... but HP's system BIOS doesn't expose it.
[02:22] <DanaG> going to reboot the server (also happens to have ZNC on it).
[02:27] <DanaG> http://pastebin.com/85CNMLK5
[02:27] <DanaG> okay, so, grub doesn't like the pcie serial.
[02:27] <DanaG> Unknown serial port.  :(
[02:38] <DanaG> dangit, zfs modules don't like 3.0.4.
[02:41] <DanaG> http://pastebin.com/85CNMLK5
[02:41] <DanaG> there's the serial console oops.
[02:43] <DanaG> I'll be swtiching to btrfs as soon as it has a fsck that'll fix things.
[02:43] <patdk-lap> heh, isn't that scheduled for sometime within the next 5 years?
[02:44] <patdk-lap> it just seems like play toys are more important for btrfs currently, than stability
[02:53] <DanaG> Byobu doesn't work over serial:
[02:53] <DanaG> strace:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/700831/
[02:56] <jmarsden> DanaG: That looks like a permissions issue on /var/run/screen, notthing related to it being a serial connection, to me ... ?
[02:56] <DanaG> What's weird is that the same permissions work fine over ssh.
[02:57] <DanaG> And the same sort of hang happens with aptitude, I think.
[02:57] <DanaG> I'll pastebin a strace of aptitude.
[02:58] <DanaG> heck, even fgconsole hangs.
[02:58] <DanaG> open("/proc/self/fd/0", O_RDWR
[02:59] <DanaG> And in fact, aptitude hangs when run normally, but when redirected to strace, it shows colors for a moment.
[03:00] <jmarsden> DanaG: For the aptitude ncurses UI to work, you would need an appropriate termtype set, is that (part of) the issue??
[03:01] <DanaG> $TERM is "linux"
[03:01] <DanaG> http://paste.ubuntu.com/700835/
[03:01] <DanaG> there's aptitude.  Did 2>aptitude.txt and then gave it sigquit when it hung.
[03:01] <DanaG> Then sent the contents of aptitude.txt to pastebinit.
[03:08] <jmarsden> Are you on ttyS5 ?  That looks like it looked at at /dev/tty0 and then tried to open /dev/ttyS5 and ... it all ended!  I'm guessing, but you could check permissions on both /var/run/screen and the serial device (/dev/ttyS5 or whatever it really is).
[03:13] <DanaG> The second trace is just running aptitude, so screen is out of the picture.
[03:13] <DanaG> And yup, the serial console is ttyS5.
[03:13] <DanaG> There's no 0 or 1 or 2 or 3.... just 4 and 5.
[03:19] <DanaG> hmm, even as root, aptitude hangs the same way.
[03:20] <jmarsden> Any difference if you do   export TERM=vt100 ; reset $TERM     first?
[03:28] <nronksr> What is the output from the following on an ubuntu server's portmapper?: strings /sbin/portmap | grep hosts
[03:28] <nronksr> I'm looking specifically at 10.04, but any would do at this point.  Thanks!
[03:29] <DanaG> jmarsden: yup, that gives me a monochrome aptitude.
[03:29] <DanaG> Oddly, exporting TERM=screen works, as well.
[03:29] <DanaG> Though, it does use this on the "quit?" dialog:
[03:29] <DanaG> lqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqk
[03:31] <jmarsden> DanaG: OK.  So the issue was the termtype... good.  Now you need to figure out what termtype your terminal "really" is so you can set one that works 100%.  It's been 15 years since I worked with termcap and termtype :)
[03:37] <DanaG> dangit, same oops on closing serial console.
[04:50] <DanaG> good, 2.6.39 seems to work.
[05:06] <jakemp-home> I'm setting up ubuntu server 11.04, and  I keep getting "Don't seem to have all the variables for eth0/inet" when I try to 'sudo ifup eth0'. I'm following the ubuntu server guile page for this
[05:07] <bfri> can anyone help me set up a pptp vpn
[06:24] <iggi_> Hello, does anyone have a link to a good guide on how to connect to VPN (I'm using OpenVPN) via command line in ubuntu server?
[06:38] <jmarsden> iggi_: It is not Ubuntu-specific, but the OpenVPN Mini-HOWTO for a really basic setup is at http://openvpn.net/index.php/open-source/documentation/miscellaneous/78-static-key-mini-howto.html
[06:40] <iggi_> jmarsden, Thanks, I'm just trying to figure out how to setup multiple VPN connections on a monitoring server to monitor hosts behind firewalls at various locations
[08:51] <D0minat0r> is it possible to have a usb webcam live feed on ubuntu server without installing gui?
[09:00] <smw> D0minat0r, I think vlc can do that
[09:00] <smw> D0minat0r, that is where I would look
[09:13] <D0minat0r> smw: ok thanks will look into it
[09:26] <Dulcin> Hi I'm not sure if this is making sense but: For our current domain I have set up google apps and am using google's mx records for email
[09:27] <Dulcin> but now I'm setting up an smtp server on our server as well, which I only want to use for our automatic mails sent through PHP
[09:28] <Dulcin> does that make sense? and does it require a new mx record or should I keep the hostname in the settings the same as the IP?
[10:37] <Dulcin> is TLS good to set up, even if postfix is set to a null configuration?
[10:48] <ikonia> what ?
[10:48] <ikonia> null configuration ?
[10:48] <ikonia> "good to setup" ?
[10:48] <ikonia> Dulcin: any chance you could try to re-ask that question explaining a little better ?
[10:55] <dnmons> Hi. My postfix is not listing auth capability after tls/ehlo. I’m trying to use dovecot sasl. no helpful information in error log. I’m hoping someone can offer advice. postconf -n http://pastebin.com/yrpCe7jf and dovecot -n http://pastebin.com/LpkxQtBz IMAP/dovecot itself is working.
[10:55] <ikonia> dnmons: dovecot and postfix are two seperate things, which one is not working
[10:56] <dnmons> ikonia: I assume dovecot is working just fine. as authenticating against it works. and it is the smtp connection that is not offering auth capabilities.
[10:57] <ikonia> so forget dovecot, just focus on postfix
[12:06] <Dulcin> ikonia: Well, I took that 'null setup' from the postfix documentation, let me try and explain what I want
[12:08] <Dulcin> ikonia: I currently have Google Apps set up which handles all the mail. But now I want our website to send mail securely as well. So I set up postfix, and since I only want the webserver to send mail (and not receive) I figured I can set it up in a 'null client'*
[12:09] <Dulcin> At first I tried to set it up with SASL and try sending with TLS, but I couldn't get that to work and while reading up on postfix, I noticed the null client might even be better
[12:09] <Dulcin> so my questions was...
[12:09] <Dulcin> does my mailserver need its own mx record, or since I'm only sending mail, it is obsolete
[12:10] <Dulcin> and can I leave the TLS/SASL/certificate, etc. out of my setup, if it is only set up as a 'null client'
[12:11] <Dulcin> ikonia: like: since nobody else can use it anyway (i think), I dont need to add an extra security layer
[12:11] <Dulcin> maybe I'm way off with my reasoning
[13:32] <Olotila> is virtualized ubuntu inside ubuntu fast?
[13:34] <Olotila> I'm using 11.04 now but need 10.04LTS because it supports my new raid adapter
[13:38] <JanC_> Olotila: some things are very fast when virtualised using hardware that assists virtualisation, other things get more of a performance hit, and there are also differences between virtualisation technologies, so there is no simple answer to your question  ☺
[13:39] <JanC> also, why doesn't 11.04 support your raid adapter?
[13:39] <JanC> (and why don't you use software raid instead?)
[13:43] <Olotila> not sure why, it is adaptec 6805E and they boast about their support for Linux
[13:43] <Olotila> gave "too many errors" when I tried
[13:44] <Olotila> I use hw raid because I use both windows and linux
[13:44] <Olotila> I used mobo raid (intel ich10r) but it's not supported in linux
[13:45] <Olotila> if I used sw raid it would not work in windows
[13:47] <Olotila> my virtualized usage would be almost 100% usual surfing and getting to know Ubuntu
[13:47] <Olotila> using max 10% of my current PC resources
[13:48] <Olotila> 4(+4) cores, 6GB ram
[13:54] <RoyK> Olotila: 11.04 isn't too good a choice for servers anyway
[13:54] <ppetraki> Olotila, if you're really that concerned about performance, go ahead and install 10.04 to the RAID and the use a recovery CD
[13:54] <ppetraki> Olotila, from the recovery CD, chroot to your RAID, and then install a "backports LTS" kernel, like the Natty one
[13:55] <ppetraki> Olotila, which should get you the HW support you desire
[13:55] <RoyK> Olotila: that ich10r raid controller isn't a real raid controller
[13:56] <ppetraki> RoyK, he's got an Adaptec too
[13:56] <RoyK> ppetraki: so I saw - just wanted to comment on that intel thing
[13:56] <RoyK> Olotila: i'm running a few VMs virtualized with kvm - works like a charm
[13:57] <RoyK> one of the VMs is running Zimbra, which can be a bit on the heavy side
[13:57] <RoyK> still works well, on an old core2 duo
[13:57] <ppetraki> Olotila, just confirmed that there is a "natty lts backport" package: linux-image-server-lts-backport-natty
[13:58] <RoyK> ppetraki: why would he need that?
[13:59] <ppetraki> RoyK, so he could run 10.04 on baremetal
[13:59] <RoyK> why can't he just use the lucid kernel?
[13:59] <ppetraki> RoyK, iif he's *that* concerned with performance
[13:59] <RoyK> newer kernel != better performance
[14:00] <ppetraki> RoyK, "<Olotila> I'm using 11.04 now but need 10.04LTS because it supports my new raid adapter"
[14:00] <RoyK> 'cept with oneiric comes xen, which is a wee jump in performance
[14:00] <ppetraki> RoyK, implies 10.04 doesn't support that HW
[14:00] <RoyK> ppetraki: what he said there was that 11.04 didn't support his hardware
[14:01] <RoyK> Olotila: can you clear this out, please? does 11.04 support your hardware?
[14:01] <ppetraki> RoyK, that doesn't make sense. how does a older release have the hardware enablement he needs?
[14:02] <RoyK> bugs do happen
[14:02] <ppetraki> well, that would be a bug :)
[14:02]  * RoyK even sticks to hardy on some machines
[14:03] <JanC> there might be a closed source driver for LTS or something...
[14:05] <JanC> Olotila: if you just want to do surfing with Ubuntu, why don't you run an Ubuntu VM on your existing Windows?  ;)
[14:05] <JanC> in any case, performance probably won't be an issue for surfing
[14:08] <ppetraki> RoyK, it looks like the aaraid driver but I can't find a hit for that product id in the pci ids list, in either lucid or natty
[14:08] <JanC> even a 400 MHz machine with 256 MiB of RAM is fast enough for surfing...
[14:08] <RoyK> oh - same old pci id issue
[14:09] <ppetraki> Olotila, could you provide a pci id for the Adaptec card?
[14:09] <RoyK> JanC: erm - that depends where you surf :P
[14:09]  * RoyK thinks Olotila has fallen asleep
[14:09] <ppetraki> :)
[14:10] <ppetraki> Adaptec provides a dkms for "debian 5 and Ubuntu 10.04", even a package for the installer
[14:10] <JanC> RoyK: maybe if you want to play Doom ported to WebGL & JavaScript that is not enough, but basically for every other website it's plenty  ;)
[14:11] <RoyK> JanC: add some java and flash and html5 and js and whatever's in use out there, and your 400MHz machine will choke itself before you get the average news site opened
[14:11] <JanC> most news sites work fine without JavaScript actually  ;)
[14:13]  * RoyK just got a pandaboard - little single board thing with a dual-core Cortex A9, some helper cores at 266MHz, 1GB RAM, wifi, SD card and cameras connectors, dual HDMI out, total <$200
[14:14] <RoyK> no need for some old power-consuming 400MHz beast then...
[14:14] <JanC> right, I was just talking about what performance is really *needed*
[14:15] <RoyK> that depends on use
[14:15] <RoyK> what about your average dual-core 1GHz coretex9 in your new phone? ;)
[14:16] <RoyK> btw, this is rather fun http://pandaboard.org/
[14:17] <JanC> even a simple single-core Cortex A8 can play full HD movies while surfing all you want... (your pandaboard has 4 cores!)
[14:17] <RoyK> yeah, but only two general purpose-cores
[14:17] <RoyK> the smaller ones must be programmed with specific API calls
[14:18] <JanC> it has 4 GP cores IIRC, but 2 of them are very slow (but also consume almost no power)?
[14:18] <RoyK> but fine for offloading simple stuff like controlling a camera without waking up the main cores
[14:18] <JanC> might require special API calls indeed
[14:18] <RoyK> they do - I checked...
[14:19] <JanC> but I guess that also depends on the OS
[14:19] <RoyK> well, it's probably possible to have the OS handle that, but I really don't want to start to rewrite the linux scheduler
[14:19] <JanC> and of course it also has several special purpose cores
[14:20] <JanC> for encoding/decoding video, for graphics, etc.
[14:20] <JanC> basically, it's more advanced than your desktop processor  ;)
[14:22] <RoyK> it's neat :)
[14:23] <JanC> the only disadvantage being that there is no proper driver for the GPU core...
[14:25] <JanC> personally I'd rather see a similar board with s BTW  ☺
[14:25] <JanC> personally I'd rather see a similar board with lots of SATA adapters BTW  ☺
[14:25] <RoyK> indeed :D
[14:26] <RoyK> I wonder...
[14:26] <JanC> would be great for building a NAS / home server
[14:26] <JanC> and maybe you could off-load RAID computations to the low-power cores
[14:27] <JanC> and maybe also encryption
[14:27] <RoyK> those A9s would do well for that
[14:27] <JanC> both disk & network encryption
[14:28] <JanC> it should be possible to create a fantastic A9 and/or A15 based SoC for home/SoHo servers
[14:29]  * patdk-lap wonders if the market for one is high enough
[14:30] <JanC> patdk-lap: if I see how many NAS are sold currently, there should be
[14:30] <RoyK> JanC: AFAICS the only interface for mass storage on the panda is usb
[14:31] <JanC> RoyK: I know, I looked at it as a possible replacement for an existing NAS  ;)
[14:32] <JanC> there is no proper PCI interface to extend it either
[14:32] <JanC> PCIe
[14:32] <JanC> and the GPU is useless for that purpose
[14:33] <JanC> so obviously OMAP SoC's are designed for another purpose
[14:33] <RoyK> I just asked on #pandaboard and was told
[14:33] <RoyK> drscott> RoyK - I have not found a sata interface for the panda board - however the freescale i.mx53 quick start board has  a chip-supported sata port
[14:34] <JanC> that's what is used in the "Plug" computers IIRC?
[14:34] <RoyK> dunno
[14:34] <JanC> or at least something like that
[14:34]  * RoyK checks lshw on his guruplug
[14:35] <RoyK> hm.. nothing there
[14:35] <sampiale> Hello
[14:35] <JanC> RoyK: nothing in /proc/cpuinfo either?
[14:37] <RoyK> http://paste.ubuntu.com/701061/
[14:37] <RoyK> btw, if you ever get a guruplug or similar, don't try lucid on it :P
[14:38] <patdk-lap> royk, heh, oi fell completely over when I attempted to use both my ib interfaces at once :)
[14:38] <RoyK> wtf?
[14:39] <patdk-lap> I was getting about 350MB/sec over both ib links, one at a time, if I used both at the same time 36MB/sec
[14:39] <RoyK> ouch
[14:39] <patdk-lap> had to do some /etc/system tweaking, and it's getting me a good 800MB/sec over both now :)
[14:39] <RoyK> neat
[14:39] <patdk-lap> at the same time
[14:40] <RoyK> what sort of ib?
[14:40] <patdk-lap> just 10g currently
[14:40] <RoyK> I didn't know there was a 10g
[14:40] <patdk-lap> heh? normal is 10g 20g and 40g
[14:40] <RoyK> or 8/16/32...
[14:41] <patdk-lap> for throughput rates
[14:41] <RoyK> ah
[14:41] <RoyK> ic
[14:41] <patdk-lap> signalling rates is what they go by, like with FC
[14:41] <RoyK> ic
[14:42] <RoyK> patdk-lap: mass storage?
[14:42] <patdk-lap> attempting to replace a netapp
[14:44] <patdk-lap> looked like iscsi fixed all my random seek test issues
[14:44] <patdk-lap> so I will probably use a mix of iscsi and nfs
[14:45] <RoyK> k
[14:45] <RoyK> what sort of hardware/drives?
[14:48] <patdk-lap> x8sia-f, 3.3ghz i3, 20 ultrastore a7k
[14:48] <RoyK> i3???
[14:48] <patdk-lap> ya
[14:48] <RoyK> wouldn't you want ECC on such a box?
[14:48] <patdk-lap> it has ecc
[14:48] <patdk-lap> only ecc is supported
[14:48] <RoyK> i3 doesn't support ECC
[14:48] <patdk-lap> you mean, registered is not supported
[14:48] <RoyK> the memory controller in i[357] doesn't use ECC
[14:49] <RoyK> you need a xeon for that
[14:49] <RoyK> http://www.intel.com/support/processors/corei3/sb/CS-031175.htm#10
[14:49] <patdk-lap> ya, so ecc memory is required, but the ecc is not used
[14:50] <JanC> lol, what's the use for that?  :P
[14:51] <JanC> I mean, having to buy expensive memory that has no benefits?
[14:52] <RoyK> patdk-lap: the mobo may require ecc memory, but the memory controller, residing in the processor package, doesn't use it
[14:52] <patdk-lap> well, it's only going be in use for a few months
[14:52] <RoyK> patdk-lap: you're not the first to make that mistake - I had an i3 replaced by a xeon just a few months back :P
[14:52] <patdk-lap> till it goes back offline again
[14:53] <RoyK> data corruption can still be rather expensive
[14:53] <RoyK> and a new Xeon to fit into that socket can be rather cheap
[14:53] <patdk-lap> there are hundred of other places for datacorruption also
[14:54] <RoyK> the new xeon is likely to be about the same price as one of the drives :P
[14:54] <patdk-lap> looks like $350 for a 2.9ghz
[14:54] <RoyK> still, that'll give you ECC
[14:54] <patdk-lap> drives are like half the price of the cheapeast x34xx
[14:55] <RoyK> what sort of disk layout? mirrors?
[14:55] <patdk-lap> just mirrors
[14:55]  * RoyK thinks it's rather silly to give up ECC on such a system
[14:56] <RoyK> a7k 2TB?
[14:57] <patdk-lap> 1tb drives
[14:57] <patdk-lap> don't need the space at all
[14:57] <RoyK> database or VMs?
[14:57] <patdk-lap> probably end up using it for crapload of snapshots
[14:57] <patdk-lap> neither
[14:57] <patdk-lap> email
[14:57] <RoyK> k
[14:58] <RoyK> 9-10TB for email sounds roomy ;)
[14:58] <patdk-lap> currently using 1.6
[14:58] <RoyK> with dedup on that netapp?
[14:58] <patdk-lap> but need the spindles
[14:58] <patdk-lap> nope
[14:59] <RoyK> some SSDs for caching as well?
[14:59] <patdk-lap> it's a netapp that doesn't support anything than nfs
[14:59] <RoyK> oh
[14:59] <patdk-lap> ya, have ssd's on the way, think they got lost in shipping
[14:59] <patdk-lap> netapp can't even support dedup if we wanted
[14:59] <RoyK> old one?
[15:00] <patdk-lap> fas270, not even a fas270c
[15:01] <patdk-lap> so far my tests show good performance on everything, about 6x increase, excepted for that random seek test I was doing, but I can't replicate that test correctly currently
[15:01] <RoyK> how much for the whole system?
[15:02] <RoyK> just a SM 24slot chassis?
[15:02] <patdk-lap> 4.6k about
[15:02] <RoyK> USD? EUR? ISK?
[15:02] <patdk-lap> usd
[15:02] <RoyK> not bad
[15:03] <patdk-lap> think I'm going use the 5k3000 for the next one
[15:03] <RoyK> won't that be a bit low on the seek times?
[15:03] <patdk-lap> 70 vs 81 per drive
[15:04] <patdk-lap> but going put it into backup service
[15:04] <Olotila> ppetraki, RoyK, JanC, sorry fell asleep ... nah, just rl stuff
[15:04] <patdk-lap> to hold a mirror copy, and to stream to tape
[15:04] <Olotila> adapter is Adaptec 6805E
[15:04] <Olotila> when installling, it reports "too many errors"
[15:04] <Olotila> thats why I started thinking other options
[15:05] <RoyK> Olotila: that's on lucid?
[15:05] <RoyK> patdk-lap: the 7k3000s aren't too expensive, though
[15:05] <Olotila> performance is not the main issue
[15:05] <patdk-lap> royk, ya, but 3g only :(
[15:05] <patdk-lap> they are slowing down the whole bus
[15:06] <Olotila> I rather go on native hw, and virtualization seems a little silly
[15:06] <RoyK> patdk-lap: 7k2000?
[15:06] <patdk-lap> I could cut my resilver time in half with 6g
[15:06] <Olotila> but if that is way easiest, i could go that way
[15:06] <RoyK> patdk-lap: the new 7k2000 are 6g
[15:06] <Olotila> but if i get drivers to 11.04, that would be ideal
[15:07] <RoyK> patdk-lap: Hitachi HDS723020BLA642
[15:07] <Olotila> natty lts backport seems to be "deleted" atm
[15:07] <Olotila> I do have Ubunti in VM too, but I prefer native environment
[15:07] <RoyK> Olotila: linux-image-2.6.38-11-server ?
[15:08] <patdk-lap> royk, odd, they are not listed on hitachi's website, only 3g's
[15:08] <RoyK> I have about 160 of those
[15:08] <Olotila> this is 11.04 x64 desktop
[15:08] <RoyK> Olotila: apt-cache search linux-image
[15:09] <patdk-lap> heh, you guys have it backwards
[15:09] <RoyK> patdk-lap: and they have written 6g on the drives
[15:09] <patdk-lap> he wants to run a lucid kernel on natty :)
[15:09] <RoyK> oh
[15:09] <RoyK> Olotila: install lucid :P
[15:09] <patdk-lap> royk, those are 7k3000's, not 7k2000
[15:09] <RoyK> still 2TB
[15:10] <RoyK> bought 150 of them and got them for a little less than $100 a piece
[15:10] <RoyK> s/less/more - $101,something
[15:11] <RoyK> Olotila: sorry - is it the 11.04 kernel that complains about these errors, or the lucid kernel?
[15:12] <Olotila> Royk, yeah, I did fail to install 10.04 to this hw
[15:13] <Olotila> RoyK, yes
[15:13] <RoyK> Olotila: latest 10.04.3 cd?
[15:13] <Olotila> arg sorry, the 11.04 complains
[15:13] <Olotila> yes, latest
[15:14] <RoyK> erm.. does 10.04 or 11.04 complain?
[15:14]  * RoyK is slightly confused
[15:14] <Olotila> 11.04 says too many errors
[15:14] <RoyK> then don't use it
[15:14] <RoyK> use lucid
[15:14] <RoyK> meaning 10.04
[15:14] <Olotila> 10.04 does not install natively
[15:14] <RoyK> oh
[15:14] <Olotila> just hangs
[15:14] <RoyK> try hardy ;)
[15:16] <Olotila> i might try harder :)
[15:16] <RoyK> hardy == 8.04
[15:16] <RoyK> still supported
[15:17] <Olotila> i could try cd install instead of usb-stick, and a few different isos
[15:17] <RoyK> it shouldn't make much difference installing from a CD or an USB stick
[15:17] <Olotila> yeah, i know
[15:18] <Olotila> *shouldnt, one of the ugliest words known to man :)
[15:18] <RoyK> maybe...
[15:18] <Olotila> i usually flinch when i hear "it should work"
[15:19] <RoyK> :)
[15:19] <RoyK> perhaps Oneiric beta? :)
[15:19] <Olotila> is there any good advice when trying to install ubuntu and it does not want to complete the installation?
[15:19] <JanC> maybe the drivers are not included...
[15:20] <Olotila> any general tips
[15:20] <RoyK> Olotila: where in the installation does it hang?
[15:20] <RoyK> Olotila: also, is this a desktop or server installation?
[15:20] <Olotila> will not even show the ubuntu text and the five balls
[15:20] <RoyK> desktop has far more bits and is harder to debug
[15:20] <Olotila> either one would do
[15:20] <RoyK> does the cd bootup fail?
[15:21] <RoyK> or usb
[15:21] <RoyK> or whatever
[15:21] <RoyK> if so, try noacpi and noapic
[15:21] <RoyK> as a start
[15:21] <Olotila> it does not go very far, cannot even "try" ubuntu
[15:21] <RoyK> iirc press f6 and you'll get those choices from there
[15:21] <RoyK> Olotila: 'try ubuntu' implies  you're installing desktop, not server
[15:22] <Olotila> so server installs more likely, and I can better my odds with those choises I get with F6?
[15:23] <Olotila> and disable acpi from bios?
[15:23] <RoyK> just try server first
[15:23] <Olotila> ok
[15:23] <RoyK> it should be more verbose than desktop
[15:23] <Olotila> does it write log somewhere?
[15:23] <RoyK> meaning better at yelling at you
[15:24] <RoyK> no logs before the system is installed
[15:24] <RoyK> but it'll log to the console
[15:24] <RoyK> which should suffice
[15:24] <Olotila> yeah
[15:24] <patdk-lap> hmm, if the ubuntu with the balls appear, that means the kernel is done loading, and it's started the init scripts
[15:24] <patdk-lap> so it's working
[15:24] <patdk-lap> just some startup thing is holding it up
[15:25] <Olotila> any difference between 32 and 64 bit?
[15:25] <RoyK> Olotila: yeah, one is 32bit, the other is 64bit
[15:25] <patdk-lap> dunno why you keep talking about the desktop install though, in the server channel
[15:25] <Olotila> RoyK, i mean the odds of successfull installing
[15:25]  * RoyK hands patdk-lap a beer
[15:25] <RoyK> Olotila: none whatsoever, if you're on a 64bit machine
[15:26] <Olotila> patdk-lap, because I know here are pretty knowledgeable guys :)
[15:26] <RoyK> Olotila: if you're on a 32bit machine, installing 64bit is quite likely to fail early :P
[15:26] <patdk-lap> hehe, I have had all kinds of issues some machines
[15:26] <patdk-lap> have a motherboard, that I put a 64bit cpu in, no issue
[15:26] <Olotila> and i am installing server stuff too
[15:26] <patdk-lap> but the motherboard refuses to boot any 64bit or even pae kernels
[15:26] <patdk-lap> only worked in plain 32bit mode
[15:26] <RoyK> Olotila: thing is, this channel is for the server _distro_, not the server bits
[15:26] <RoyK> patdk-lap: wtf? something you got cheap on ebay? ;)
[15:27] <patdk-lap> some msi neo motherboard
[15:27] <patdk-lap> was only for a home desktop system
[15:28] <patdk-lap> also had 4 memory slots, but you where only allowed to use 2 at a time
[15:28] <patdk-lap> very strange motherboard
[15:29] <RoyK> patdk-lap: hehe
[15:30] <Olotila> Well, I'll try your advice and perhaps chat from within 10.04 server
[15:30] <Olotila> thanks, thumbs up
[15:30] <RoyK> patdk-lap: I've come by mobos that work well with either two or four memory modules, but clocked them down if all four were installed
[15:30] <RoyK> Olotila: break a leg :)
[15:30] <patdk-lap> royk, that is normal on all intel mmu systems
[15:31] <RoyK> oh
[15:31] <RoyK> it is?
[15:31] <patdk-lap> the intel memory thing, has channels, and each channel supports 2 or 3 sticks
[15:31] <patdk-lap> depending on if it's desktop or server model
[15:31] <patdk-lap> if you use and adition stick, for 3 or 4, then the bus goes 800mhz instead of normal
[15:31] <patdk-lap> or if you use qrank memory
[15:32] <patdk-lap> nice if you need bulk memory
[15:32] <patdk-lap> bad if you need to access memory quickly
[15:32] <RoyK> so I guess we should have bought fewer, larger modules for our compute nodes?
[15:33] <patdk-lap> as long as they where dual rank sticks
[15:33] <RoyK> quad
[15:33] <RoyK> it's opteron
[15:33] <patdk-lap> dunno about opteron
[15:33] <patdk-lap> but quad rank normally will slow any intel system down to 800mhz, and you can't use the extra slot
[15:33] <KM0201> how can i see a list of running services?
[15:34] <RoyK> but then, with quad, we get a bit wider memory buses than on xeon
[15:34] <RoyK> KM0201: ps axf
[15:34] <patdk-lap> heh?
[15:34] <patdk-lap> quad what?
[15:34] <KM0201> RoyK: thats a little to detailed
[15:34] <patdk-lap> km0201, little too detailed :)
[15:35] <KM0201> i was looking for... if samba is running, if mysql is running, etc.
[15:35] <patdk-lap> service mysql status
[15:35] <patdk-lap> service samba status
[15:35] <patdk-lap> ...
[15:35] <RoyK> or even
[15:35] <RoyK> status mysql
[15:37] <KM0201> yeah, that would work, then i'd have to go through and type that command for each service.
[15:37] <RoyK> KM0201: afaik, ubuntu doesn't have any better way to do that
[15:38] <KM0201> yeah, thats the realization i was coming to as well.
[15:38] <patdk-lap> hmm, how evil
[15:38] <patdk-lap> hp infiniband switchs don't support any subnet manager
[15:39] <RoyK> patdk-lap: what's a subnet manager?
[15:40] <patdk-lap> it manages infiniband routing basically
[15:40] <patdk-lap> without it it would be like ethernet without arp
[15:40] <JanC> KM0201: "initctl list" ?
[15:41] <patdk-lap> you can run a subnet manager on a windows/linux machine (not on solaris) if you want
[15:41] <JanC> (and maybe filter out what's running)
[15:41] <patdk-lap> but as I was going vmware/oi, that isn't nice
[15:41] <KM0201> JanC: that's what i'd like to do, is filter out what is running
[15:41] <KM0201> that one is close though
[15:41] <patdk-lap> might have to hang one of my old machines and give it a infiniband card to connect and do that then :(
[15:41] <JanC> well, grep for "start/running" I guess ;)
[15:42] <patdk-lap> at home here, my infiniband switch has it built in, so it's all nice :)
[15:42] <JanC> or maybe even just "running"
[19:01] <VampsDaBeast> what would be the best minimium GUI for 10.04 that will be used to run game servers like Nexuiz, and the like.
[19:03] <TomasBrincil> GUI like graphic user interface?
[19:03] <VampsDaBeast> TomasBrincil, yea, like XFCE and th elike
[19:04] <TomasBrincil> it does not matter, i guess...
[19:05] <VampsDaBeast> wouldnt want any thing to heavy though correct?
[19:05] <VampsDaBeast> like xfce or lxde would prolly work best
[19:06] <TomasBrincil> i bet, both of them will work..
[19:06] <VampsDaBeast> kool..thanks
[19:07] <RoyK> VampsDaBeast: apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[19:11] <qman__> they'll all work
[19:11] <qman__> if you want bare minimum, go with something like xdm or icewm
[19:11] <qman__> or any of the other super minimalist ones
[19:12] <pmatulis> sudo aptitude install lubuntu-desktop
[19:13] <pmatulis> ah, prolly not available on 10.04
[19:13] <qman__> regardless, even a more lightweight desktop is still a full desktop
[19:13] <qman__> I took it he needed a bare minimum window manager to run a poorly designed server that won't run without X
[19:14] <qman__> like ut2k4's
[19:15]  * RoyK remember setting up a 386dx20 with X, fvvm2, with 2MB RAM, back in 1994 or so
[19:15] <RoyK> it took the box some 2-3 minutes to start a simple app :P
[19:20] <VampsDaBeast> now really qman..
[19:20] <VampsDaBeast> not**
[19:20] <VampsDaBeast> i'm working towards making a box that will run some of the linux based FPS like Nexuiz, OpenaArena and the like.
[19:21] <VampsDaBeast> but as d-servers instead of played on
[19:22] <qman__> properly designed dedicated game servers don't need X
[19:23] <qman__> that said, there are plenty that are not properly designed
[19:24] <VampsDaBeast> so to run many of those as dedicated servers.. all i need is ssh?
[19:25] <VampsDaBeast> so to speak
[19:25] <qman__> a correctly written game server is the same as any other server, it just runs in the background and logs output when necessary
[19:25] <qman__> possibly provides an interface
[19:25] <qman__> unfortunately many are not designed this way
[19:26] <qman__> srcds, for example, will only run on an interactive console
[19:26] <qman__> and as mentioned, ut2k4 spawns its own interactive X-based console
[19:27] <qman__> I don't know about nexuiz or openarena, but if made right, they shouldn't need anything of the sort running
[19:28] <qman__> minecraft also only runs on an interactive console
[19:29] <VampsDaBeast> so again, i would only need open ssh
[19:29] <qman__> only if you need remote shell access
[19:29] <VampsDaBeast> not many server's have heads do they?
[19:30] <qman__> my point is, ssh is not a requirement for a game server
[19:30] <qman__> it's simply accessory
[19:30] <qman__> you probably want it
[19:30] <qman__> but it's not required
[19:30] <VampsDaBeast> ok
[19:31] <VampsDaBeast> is there any packages for monitoring?
[19:31] <qman__> depends on what you want to monitor
[19:31] <qman__> there's tons of them
[19:31] <VampsDaBeast> some that would monitor the game server setup
[19:32] <qman__> depends on that game server
[19:32] <qman__> it's not really a standard thing
[19:32] <VampsDaBeast> i'm just gettin awake so words arent coming to me
[19:32] <qman__> each game or game engine does its own thing
[19:32] <qman__> you could port monitor to see if it's up, or monitor that the process is running, but that's about it regarding the game server itself
[19:33] <VampsDaBeast> how bout activity?
[19:33] <VampsDaBeast> like number of users connected, map , stats
[19:33] <VampsDaBeast> stuff ike that..
[19:34] <qman__> all part of the game server you're running
[19:34] <qman__> if it's available at all, it's going to be specific to your game
[19:34] <VampsDaBeast> the game i'm lookin at is nexuiz.
[19:35] <qman__> I don't know about it, I've never used it
[19:35] <qman__> but you'll have to see the documentation on the game server
[19:35] <qman__> probably check out any communities around the game
[19:37] <qman__> that sort of information only exists inside the game, and as such is specific to each game or game engine, it's not something you can poll in a standard manner
[19:37] <VampsDaBeast> ok
[19:37] <qman__> you might be able to load scripts for that game server, or write something up to parse log files if it has some
[22:00] <iFire> What's the successor to JeOS?
[22:01] <iFire> ubuntu-vm-builder in some form
[23:36] <args[0]> is there any good tutorial on how to install ventrilo on a ubuntu server?
[23:38] <KM0201> args[0]: this is for 9.10 but.. it may point you in the right direction.
[23:38] <KM0201> http://rocketeerbkw.com/content/installing-ventrilo-server-ubuntu-910-karmic-koala
[23:38] <args[0]> I was checking that out earlier, but I asked myself.. why should I create a user just for ventrilo? KM0201
[23:39] <KM0201> args[0]: honestly, i was just wondering that myself.. but some people just do stuff like that (for instance, I create FTP user for FTP access)
[23:40] <args[0]> KM0201: hmm.. I see. Thanks for your input.
[23:40] <KM0201> args[0]: if thats your only deal breaker though... you can easily skip that step.
[23:40] <args[0]> KM0201: true