[00:49] hey guys, is there a comparison somewhere between ubuntu and kubuntu? trying to decide which to install on my new netbook [00:49] KDE versus unity/gnome [00:51] well KDE has got the best recordsoftware K3B and such more, Gnome is not bad. try both, side by side install === matt is now known as Guest80596 [01:02] b0sf9g7h: See http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/kdegnome [01:37] thanks Snowhog [02:05] Hey there, if I have a question about Kdialog, would I ask it here, or is there another channel I should go to? [02:09] you could try here or #kde [02:09] Thanks. In case here works, how come when I click cancel, I don't get the "You chose cancel." message? http://paste.ubuntu.com/701366/ [02:10] It looks pretty straightforward to me, but I can't figure it out. (: [02:11] do the three other options work? [02:11] Also, if I do http://paste.ubuntu.com/701370/ then it echos 2 if I click the cancel button, so it's even more confusing that the original script doesn't work. [02:15] Anyone using 11.10? [02:16] Never mind - I figured it out. (: [02:17] !11.10 | phoenix_firebrd [02:17] phoenix_firebrd: Ubuntu 11.10 (Oneiric Ocelot) will be the fifteenth release of Ubuntu. Codename announcement here: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/?p=646 Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1 [02:17] well_laid_lawn: I am aware of the channel [02:18] well_laid_lawn: do you use 11.10? [02:18] everyone in there is using it [02:18] he he [02:18] well_laid_lawn: do you have any problem with audio when cpu is high? [02:20] hey how can i get 2 kubuntu computers talking to each other to share info [02:20] besides samba [02:21] ssfdre38: wired or wireless? [02:21] wired [02:21] well wired to wireless on the same network [02:22] ssfdre38: try dukto, i supports mutiple platfoms === Doc_Savage96_ is now known as Doc_Savage96 [05:42] Hola [05:42] Buenas noches [05:42] Como estas [05:43] Como les va? [05:43] RRejun: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation. [05:53] Hola [06:20] !es [06:20] En la mayoría de canales de Ubuntu se habla sólo en inglés. Si busca ayuda en español o charlar entra en el canal #ubuntu-es. Escribe "/join #ubuntu-es" (sin comillas) y dale a enter. === oguz is now known as ogzy [08:36] Does anybody know how to get the clock in 11.10 to *stop* showing 24 hour time???? [08:39] The locale settings (retarded that the user should have to poke around in the locale settings just to change to a 12 hour clock that 98% of users will want) show PH:MM:SS AMPM but the clock remains 24 hour [08:40] Eruaran: Ah right you found itbut yes Locale is where it is [08:42] It shouldn't annoy me being beta 2 and all [08:42] But its driving me mad [08:42] :P [08:43] 24 hour clock... like a scratching ferret in my brain... [08:43] It wont leave me aloooone! [08:43] * Eruaran bites his hand [08:47] Eruaran: Just switch it and leave it alone then :) [08:47] I want it on 12 hour [08:47] I have set it on 12 hour [08:47] yet it stays on 24 hour [08:47] its gnawing at my brain === dev_ is now known as tonymc [09:37] I've got a problem after installing unity on top of Kubuntu, when I start kde, gnome stuff starts in background, and it takes long to load, if kde desktop (plasma) crashes, see gnome behind it! === koalix is now known as ninniuz [09:39] Girly-Girl, how exactly did you install it? From Muon Software Packager, or from 'unity' package? [09:40] aptitude ubuntu-desktop [09:40] Arnold: [09:40] Hmm, that kind of installs more than you would need for Unity.. however, are you starting it with which login manager, and which session? [09:41] kdm [09:41] session kde [09:41] And you select KDE Workspace or Plasma? [09:41] Ah, I see. [09:41] Yet Gnome stuffs start up with KDE.. [09:41] yes [09:41] I think it has to do with the autostarting services or startup programs. [09:42] Arnold: I think nautilus starts and does fishy things [09:42] I'll be back restarting to KDE, so that I can help you out further. [09:42] Arnold: Thanks [09:42] Girly-Girl, no problem, restarting it now. [09:44] hello: why would the pkm uninstall kubuntu-desktop when i try to install fcron? [09:44] metallisto: Its an extra dummy package safe to remove [09:44] thanks [09:45] Arnold: If you kquitapp plasma-desktop do you see gnome behind? [09:45] I don't have Unity/GNOME 3 installed, but I think I know where it is specified to start. [09:45] Girly-Girl: alright. Go to System Settings, and look for Startup and Shutdown [09:46] Should be either in the Autostart area, or Service Manager [09:46] Arnold: Found only two gnome related things [09:46] Uncheck them to disable them from starting up. [09:46] Arnold: one for nautilus-desktop and one for gtk integration [09:47] gtk2-default-theme.rc.sh should stay on. [09:47] But the rest of GNOME and its things should be disabled. [09:47] The former is to give GTK+ apps a KDE theme integration, so that's harmless. [09:47] Arnold: Ok thanks i'll do that later [09:48] Girly-Girl: it's just GNOME applications or session files trying to be more integrated with KDE's session, nothing more. [09:48] Let me know if it works, or not. [09:49] Arnold: I haven't done it yet but I assume it works because if I kquitapp plasma-desktop, I see gnome's desktop. If I killall nautilus-desktop then kquitapp plasma-desktop, I see blank area [09:50] Aha, then that makes sense. Atleast both GNOME and KDE are integral to themselves. [10:01] Arnold: But I have to remove gnome, having it is anoying like programs like to open nautilus by default and all, once nautilus browser starts, so does the desktop [10:02] Well, there is a way to delete the packages of ubuntu-desktop, while leaving kubuntu-desktop intact. [10:02] Since ubuntu-desktop is just a metapackage, nothing more. [10:05] Girly-Girl: install and run gconf-editor, search for apps/nautilus/preferences and untick show desktop [10:06] Arnold: Why would I do that? [10:06] Girly-Girl: so it won't start GNOME's desktop session whenever you start Nautilus [10:06] Plus you can also restore the default applications settings in KDE easily. [10:07] But if you want to get rid of all ubuntu-desktop's GNOME packages, leaving the raw kubuntu-desktop one, then that is also possible with a workaround. [10:08] I'll just remove it I have no use for gnome anyway, I'm a die hard KDE user since KDE 3.3X [10:10] Girly-Girl: it's possible to do it properly with aptitude. Are you familiar with that tool? [10:10] Arnold: yes [10:11] Girly-Girl: then you just have to remove the ubuntu-desktop virtual package, and let kubuntu-desktop one selected. [10:11] Arnold: Or there is a list of package put by ubuntu-desktop on aysu's site [10:12] Girly-Girl: hehe, not sure about that. I did converted my Ubuntu system into a Lubuntu one, and had no GNOME packages there at all (besides the mandatory GTK+ libraries and all) [10:14] It was a fun experience, plus I learned more about (?)Ubuntu a lot. Rather than just thinking Arch Linux having the upper hand and all.... === Girly-Girl is now known as GirlyGirl [10:31] GirlyGirl: just read the howto page for removing the ubuntu-desktop metapackage, and aysiu's advice was to install metapackages with aptitude, rather than apt-get, so that you can purge them easily with the packages too, not just the metapackage. [10:37] * yofel notes that just removing the ubuntu-desktop metapackage won't remove anything else [10:38] the *buntu-* metapackages get their dependencies marked as manually installed, so you need to remove all of them individually [10:40] yofel: according to that how-to, it doesn't applies if you're handling packages with aptitude, rather than apt-get [10:41] With aptitude, you're removing packages along with the metapackage. So all goes down. [10:49] Arnold: no, the difference is that with apt-get you need to run autoremove to remove unecessary packages, aptitude does that by itself [10:49] but that doesn't have any effect for the *buntu metapackages [10:50] as those are marked as never mark-auto in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01autoremove [10:50] hm, seems even to be the case for all metapackages [10:53] Hmm, I was able to successfully delete the ubuntu-desktop packages and leave only ubuntu-core ones (much like in a difference way) [10:54] Then I was able to install lubuntu-desktop packages. [10:57] hello there. I have kubuntu dualboot with win7.. how do I automount windows partition on startup? I knew there was a way, but can't recall.. [10:58] fatum: there is the ntfs-config way (not sure if it works, was broken a few releases ago), and there's the manual way by editing /etc/fstab [10:59] fatum: "/dev/sda1 /media/Windows ntfs-3g quiet,defaults,rw 0 0" [11:00] And /dev/sda1 is the first partition of the first disk (IDE HDD), /media/Windows/ is the mount point where this partition is to the mounted, and the rest of the settings are to stay intact. [11:01] You'll have to modify according to your partitioning and taste. /dev/sdX, where X is the partition where your Windows partition is located (if you have more, you can add more of these lines) [11:01] And /media/X, where X is the folder name you want it to mount it. But you have to create them with "sudo mkdir X", or else it won't automount them. [11:05] all right.. rw 0 0 means I can't read nor write? [11:06] rw means read-write, the last two digits are dump-freq and pass-num. [11:07] fatum: mounting with NTFS-3g with rw solves all kind of writing errors you might have due to lack of privilege of doing so. [11:07] very nice.. what about executable permission? [11:08] *permission to execute [11:09] Also not a problem anymore. I was able to launch applications from it without chmod +x (which that failed anyhow). === zorael_ is now known as zorael [11:11] Arnold: /dev/sda2: command not found [11:11] fatum: you'll have to add them in /etc/fstab, not in the terminal [11:21] got it ;-) [11:23] thanks.. need to try it out, brb === Realmkeeper is now known as Guest64854 [11:47] hi, my mic-volume seems to adjust themself. [11:47] how can i disable this? [11:48] you cant, its a poltergeist [11:48] ;) [11:49] tell it to go away [11:49] :P [11:49] har har har :D [11:55] someone know a solution [12:03] where i am...?? [12:05] rethus: sorry I don't know [12:06] rethus: does the volume setting change or just the sound with the volume setting the same? [12:07] the sound-slider walk right and left [12:08] rethus maybe some app is changing the volume [12:08] i don't know... till pulseaudio is establish in kde i only have problems with my sound [12:13] Hey all [12:27] Hello, a Kubuntu 11.04 + KDE4.7 user question: I can use a network printer HP3055 as a scanner with Ubuntu, but my recent Kubuntu machine can recognize it only as a printer, no scanner option with Skanlite. Similar problem here while Using Debian Squeeze, Gnome version, looks like only Ubuntu can recognize HP3055 correctly. Can it be fixed for Kubuntu somehow? Thank you [12:29] In Ubuntu, I think it's sane which takes care of scanners. [12:30] So mayeb you should have a look at commands like "sane-find-scanner" and "scanimage -L" to see which driver the scanner runs on, etc [12:31] it could also be a 64-bit/32-bit issue [12:31] I had a lot of problems getting an HP scanner to work because of that [12:31] All my systems were 32bit [12:31] only the 32-bit driver existed/worked [12:35] KIAaze: can I show commands output for you in PM? [12:36] if you want, but I'm not sure I can help much [12:36] at least not more than google ^^ [12:37] just a minute, I'm restarting konversation. It's hiding my mouse. [12:38] back [12:40] I will not bother you then;) Thanks anyway === koalix is now known as ninniuz === varlan is now known as varlucian [12:59] I just moved from an intel-gfx t510 to a t520 with dual intel/nv and i'm running that in intel mode. kubuntu 11.04 on both, but i can't get external displays detected on the new machine. [12:59] Does anyone maybe know why that might be or what I may be able to do to get an external display recognized? === ironfroggy_ is now known as ironfroggy === allquixotic_ is now known as allquixotic === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [13:32] I have "Euro on 5" set in the Keyboard settings on Kubuntu 11.04, however, I still can't type the Euro symbol [13:32] Not with Ctrl+5, not with Alt+5, not with Ctrl+Alt+5, not with Ctrl+Shift+5, not with Ctrl+Alt+Shift+5, not with Alt+Shift+5, really just not... What can I do about this? [13:40] TheLastProject, alt-gr + 5 [13:40] Ah... [13:40] Geez [13:41] That explains a lot [13:41] yw [13:41] lol [13:41] TheLastProject: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation. [13:41] I'm used to it being on Ctrl+Alt on Windows, thanks! (Bot, don't overreact) [13:42] now you ca make someone happy with € [13:42] Myself :P [13:51] hey guys [13:52] i have a problem with my conecction in kubuntu [13:52] becouse i have a network with no difusion ssid [13:52] and i can't connect... [13:53] (sorry by my horrible english... ) === bajk-tragbar_ is now known as kbroulik [14:28] hi all [14:28] :) [14:30] Poor WIFI reception compared to windows with Atheros Ar9285 any idea? [14:35] . === bajk-tragbar is now known as kbroulik [14:59] guys, I recently installed kubuntu over a vanilla 11.10 install. I'm using firefox as my browser, and none of the appropriate application mappings seem to be there (for example, when I download a zip, FF tries to open it with gvim. How can I get the appropriate mappings set to a reasonable set of defaults? [15:45] hi guys. i installed kubuntu and im missing the grid desktop. For some reason the grouping desktop layout is not included in the ubuntu repository. how can i enable it? === Doc_Savage96_ is now known as Doc_Savage96 === koalix is now known as ninniuz [16:15] wrong place to ask, but can anyone tell me how to set up auto-login on a passwordless admin account in WinXP [16:16] in kdm it's fairly easy, but I don't see any option to do it in win [16:24] having trouble here my webcam works just fine in Cheese and other apps but adobe flash isnt reading my cam from within firefox any ideas? [16:29] in the flash settings it finds the usb mic thats built into the webcam and that works just not a webcam for a selection [16:31] solved === GirlyGirl_ is now known as GirlyGirl [16:59] Hi === camilo is now known as Hayabuza === skreech_ is now known as DaSkreech === bulldog98_ is now known as bulldog98 [18:14] hello [18:16] hi roderyck [18:17] hi i just install konversation on ubuntu ..kde is light [18:18] 73 === dani is now known as Guest30228 [19:08] sddd [19:11] hi [19:17] hi [19:24] help me change flash screen in virtualbox [19:25] ambusher_: you mean the plymoth splash screen? === vova is now known as kot_kostyan [19:25] no d one which says "ubuntu" [19:26] ambusher_: while booting? [19:26] yep [19:26] ambusher_: thats the plymouth theme [19:26] oh.. hw to change it [19:27] ambusher_: try this http://www.ubuntugeek.com/plymouth-manager-simple-tool-to-change-splash-screen-themes.html [19:28] thanx [19:28] ambusher_: yw [20:20] anyone there to help? [20:25] phoenix_firebrd: please ask the real question :) [20:26] rork: its about 11.10, if you find it wrong to discuss it here, can you come to #ubuntu+1 === IdleOne is now known as IknowNotUbuntu [20:37] Please I need help setting up mercurial to clone a remote repo [20:38] I got the bash: hg: command not found error [20:40] please any help? [20:42] The_Jag: You need to install mercurial first. [20:43] The_Jag: sudo apt-get install mercurial [20:44] Pici: I have all correctly set up [20:45] only just doing hg clone ssh://remote/path doesn't work === IknowNotUbuntu is now known as IdleOne [20:45] which is because ssh cannot find hg on the remote machine (which obviously is present) [20:51] which hg ? [21:49] hi. by default in kde exists an "grid desktop"-layout which im missing in (k)ubuntu... does anybody know how to enable? i just want to align all my widgets on the desktop on grid .. [21:53] Trashi: not sure if you mean this: right click on desktop->desktop settings->(unlock widgets)->Layout: Newspaper [21:59] gomiboy: i know that newspaper layout but i thought in default kde would be also a "grid/group layout" which allows to align all widgets on grid without the newspaper layout. take a look for that: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tOAzCQUd5o [22:00] gomiboy: did try to install but there were many errors while buildung/installing.. [22:02] gomiboy: by default there should be a "grid desktop" layout under Desktop->DesktopSettings [22:02] gomiboy: did isntall kdeplasma-addons package but no change :( [22:07] Trashi: never seen before that grind thing, so it's not "by default", and that project in the links seems dead since 2010 :( [22:08] gomiboy: hm ok :/ thanks anyway [22:13] gomiboy: hm ... they guys at #kde sais that the grid layout comes with the kdeplasma-addons package... not so in ubuntu * [22:13] *grrrrr* [23:23] ok, quick little issue, seems my task bar doesnt understand Z axis properly, after running for a few days or weeks, it will start to go where i click something, it drops down for me to choose which window i want from that task, but it the click lands on the window below it instead of the dropdown option [23:23] running maverick on this one, but seeing it on my natty machines as well [23:23] ? [23:24] sorry, was i unclear? [23:24] im having that issue lately [23:24] of being unclear that is [23:24] and the taskbar issue as well [23:25] ok, just for example, say ya got 11 firefox windows open and they all stack on the plasma task list bar as a single entry [23:25] so you click the firfox extry and it drops down a list of firefox windows [23:26] now , if there is a window behind that list of windows, when i click on the list, the click lands on the window behind the list [23:26] why would one want multiple FF instances? that's what tabs are for :P [23:26] instead of selecting the window i want [23:26] can only get about 40 tabs on a single window [23:26] maybe 50 before it starts scrolling and gets hard to manage [23:27] szal: it's best not to ask why [23:27] and it was just for example./.. terminator, file browser, etc, doesnt matter what the program is, still happens [23:27] lol taco [23:28] and sometimes i have a different browser on each monitor, handy for research [23:28] restarting kdm resolves it, but obviously not a proper solution [23:29] having trouble googleing an answer due to not being able to word the problem in a way that results in related results [23:30] also, seem to have been afflicted with something that is making me type as though english were not my first language, but i doubt you all can help with that [23:31] so any ideas? or any info that might help ? [23:31] docid: unfortunately I really haven't played around with that option [23:31] option? [23:32] * szal has never had any such problem [23:32] docid: ok, maybe I don't understand what you're talking about then haha [23:32] ok, plasma task bar, where it shows all the programs and windows you have open.... [23:33] we on the same page? [23:33] yep [23:33] if you have several of the same program running, they stack in that bar, get a little arrow with a number on the edge of the entry [23:33] ok, so they're grouping... go on [23:33] click that entry and it drops down so you can select what window you want [23:34] yep [23:34] now, if there is a full screen window, or any other window under that list [23:34] when you click something from thhe list, the click goes to the window behind, instead of the list [23:34] like the back window is grabbing the mouse [23:35] so in order to change tasks i have to minimise, or move enough stuff so i can see desktop behind it [23:35] behind the dropdown list [23:35] otherwise cannot click the list... [23:35] ok woah... stop a second... when you say "it goes to the window behind" you mean the 'full screen' window? [23:35] sure, or whatever else is back there [23:36] whatever the top window is behind the list [23:36] what is the 'full screen window'? Firefox after you've hit F11? or a full-screen flash player? [23:36] ok, now heres the weird part, its only on the right half of the taskbar... [23:36] ohh [23:37] sorry, i meen a maximised window, [23:37] or anything floatingg behind the list [23:37] was trying to use fullscreen window for clarity (see above... having issues with clarity) [23:37] ok... so what do you want it to do? [23:37] i want the click to select the window from the list [23:37] like it normally does [23:38] as-in click and have a list show up to select from? [23:38] well, if there are grouped programs, i click on the grouped programs on the task bar, it drops down a list [23:38] the problem is selecting from that list [23:39] the click doesnt go to the dropped down list [23:39] ok.... [23:39] it goes to windows behind the list [23:40] so, lets say you have 4 Firefox windows open.... one is maximized the other 3 are minimized.... you click on "FireFox...." in the taskbar, and you get the maximized one and not a list? [23:40] no [23:40] i get a dropdown list [23:40] but i cant click on the list [23:40] the clicks go through the list to the window behind it [23:41] oooooh... ok... so say you had Gimp open, you click "FireFox...." in the task bar, click on a list item for that group and you're back to Gimp? [23:42] if gimp is behind where that list dropped down, yes [23:42] well, but the list stays up untill i click it again [23:42] ok, I see what you're saying now [23:42] unable to select from the list until i move everything away from behind where the list drops down [23:43] hard one to google [23:43] maybe i dont have the vocabulary [23:43] I'd file a bug, but until then you could turn off grouping (grouping pisses me off haha) [23:44] as i said, this usually happens after running for some time.... [23:44] ohh my, id have to have like a 4 row task list then [23:44] would take up sooo much space [23:44] i kind of run much at once [23:45] well there's no quick fix for that... not sure where the problem is exactly, but likely with plasma [23:45] thats what i figgured, [23:45] how to reload plasma without killing running apps, etc [23:45] ? [23:45] someway i can make it just reload the desktop in place? [23:46] http://userbase.kde.org/Plasma#Reloading_Plasma [23:46] ahh, thanks much :) [23:47] I'd probably suggest "kquitapp plasma-desktop && plasma-desktop" (just incase Konsole dies when you do it) [23:48] i usually do that sort of thing from an actual console [23:48] outside of the de [23:48] otherwise it feels like sawing on a branch yer sittin on [23:49] docid: it won't [23:49] plasma-desktop is just the background and pretty buttons None of the applications are tied to it [23:49] You can even run plasma-desktop in gnome and then have only Gnome applications inside it [23:49] aye, thats what i thought, but didnt quite know how to kill it and bring it back up [23:50] ohh fun, next time kde breaks to the point where it wont load anymore ill remember that.... i hope [23:50] I used to prevent plasma from starting back when I had a few hundred megs of RAM and I was running test versions of KDE [23:50] but you can make a small script that simply says kquitapp plasma-desktop && sleep 4 && plasma-desktop [23:51] call it newplas or something [23:51] aye [23:51] anytime it's giving too much problems just press alt+F2 and type newplas and tada! [23:51] welll, that didnt work out too well [23:51] krunner is also not tied to plasma-desktop so you can have just krunner running and it will be able to launch new programs etc [23:52] ohh weird, it reloaded and my desktop came back when i clicked it, fun [23:52] bam, that fixes it... thanks much [23:52] other than memory lockups that was my olny reason to reboot [23:53] memory lockups sounds harsh [23:53] what's happening there? [23:54] well, with a vbox open and something using wine leaking memory like the fed does cash.... slams into swap and everything comes to a halt, usually stuck using alt-sysreq combos because cant switch tty or ssh in [23:55] usually teamviewer left open is the cause [23:55] but the group list is fixed? [23:55] the plasma reload works great [23:56] docid: alt-sysreq and killX then [23:56] don't need to reboot [23:56] how to killX with alt-sysreq? usually get nothing beack untill it reboots, using R E I S U B [23:57] docid: still file a bug about it... even if it takes a while to appear, there's something not right going on [23:57] will have to do it from home... shouldnt really be debugging my desktop at work in the first place :) [23:59] docid: Magic keys just do what you tell them to there is no indicators :)