[00:49] <b0sf9g7h> hey guys, is there a comparison somewhere between ubuntu and kubuntu? trying to decide which to install on my new netbook
[00:49] <OerHeks> KDE versus unity/gnome
[00:51] <OerHeks> well KDE has got the best recordsoftware K3B and such more, Gnome is not bad. try both, side by side install
[01:02] <Snowhog> b0sf9g7h: See http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/kdegnome
[01:37] <b0sf9g7h> thanks Snowhog
[02:05] <littlegirl> Hey there, if I have a question about Kdialog, would I ask it here, or is there another channel I should go to?
[02:09] <well_laid_lawn> you could try here or #kde
[02:09] <littlegirl> Thanks. In case here works, how come when I click cancel, I don't get the "You chose cancel." message? http://paste.ubuntu.com/701366/
[02:10] <littlegirl> It looks pretty straightforward to me, but I can't figure it out. (:
[02:11] <well_laid_lawn> do the three other options work?
[02:11] <littlegirl> Also, if I do http://paste.ubuntu.com/701370/ then it echos 2 if I click the cancel button, so it's even more confusing that the original script doesn't work.
[02:15] <phoenix_firebrd> Anyone using 11.10?
[02:16] <littlegirl> Never mind - I figured it out. (:
[02:17] <well_laid_lawn> !11.10 | phoenix_firebrd
[02:17] <phoenix_firebrd> well_laid_lawn: I am aware of the channel
[02:18] <phoenix_firebrd> well_laid_lawn: do you use 11.10?
[02:18] <well_laid_lawn> everyone in there is using it
[02:18] <phoenix_firebrd>  he he
[02:18] <phoenix_firebrd> well_laid_lawn: do you have any problem with audio when cpu is high?
[02:20] <ssfdre38> hey how can i get 2 kubuntu computers talking to each other to share info
[02:20] <ssfdre38> besides samba
[02:21] <phoenix_firebrd> ssfdre38: wired or wireless?
[02:21] <ssfdre38> wired
[02:21] <ssfdre38> well wired to wireless on the same network
[02:22] <phoenix_firebrd> ssfdre38: try dukto, i supports mutiple platfoms
[05:42] <RRejun> Hola
[05:42] <RRejun> Buenas noches
[05:42] <RRejun> Como estas
[05:43] <RRejun> Como les va?
[05:43] <FloodBotK1> RRejun: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[05:53] <RRejun> Hola
[06:20] <Daskreech> !es
[08:36] <Eruaran> Does anybody know how to get the clock  in 11.10 to *stop* showing 24 hour time????
[08:39] <Eruaran> The locale settings (retarded that the user should have to poke around in the locale settings just to change to a 12 hour clock that 98% of users will want) show PH:MM:SS AMPM but the clock remains 24 hour
[08:40] <Daskreech> Eruaran: Ah right you found itbut yes Locale is where it is
[08:42] <Eruaran> It shouldn't annoy me being beta 2 and all
[08:42] <Eruaran> But its driving me mad
[08:42] <Eruaran> :P
[08:43] <Eruaran> 24 hour clock... like a scratching ferret in my brain...
[08:43] <Eruaran> It wont leave me aloooone!
[08:43]  * Eruaran bites his hand
[08:47] <Daskreech> Eruaran: Just switch it and leave it alone then :)
[08:47] <Eruaran> I want it on 12 hour
[08:47] <Eruaran> I have set it on 12 hour
[08:47] <Eruaran> yet it stays on 24 hour
[08:47] <Eruaran> its gnawing at my brain
[09:37] <Girly-Girl> I've got a problem after installing unity on top of Kubuntu, when I start kde, gnome stuff starts in background, and it takes long to load, if kde desktop (plasma) crashes,  see gnome behind it!
[09:39] <Arnold> Girly-Girl, how exactly did you install it? From Muon Software Packager, or from 'unity' package?
[09:40] <Girly-Girl> aptitude ubuntu-desktop
[09:40] <Girly-Girl> Arnold:
[09:40] <Arnold> Hmm, that kind of installs more than you would need for Unity.. however, are you starting it with which login manager, and which session?
[09:41] <Girly-Girl> kdm
[09:41] <Girly-Girl> session kde
[09:41] <Arnold> And you select KDE Workspace or Plasma?
[09:41] <Arnold> Ah, I see.
[09:41] <Arnold> Yet Gnome stuffs start up with KDE..
[09:41] <Girly-Girl> yes
[09:41] <Arnold> I think it has to do with the autostarting services or startup programs.
[09:42] <Girly-Girl> Arnold: I think nautilus starts and does fishy things
[09:42] <Arnold> I'll be back restarting to KDE, so that I can help you out further.
[09:42] <Girly-Girl> Arnold: Thanks
[09:42] <Arnold> Girly-Girl, no problem, restarting it now.
[09:44] <metallisto> hello: why would the pkm uninstall kubuntu-desktop when i try to install fcron?
[09:44] <Girly-Girl> metallisto: Its an extra dummy package safe to remove
[09:44] <metallisto> thanks
[09:45] <Girly-Girl> Arnold: If you kquitapp plasma-desktop do you see gnome behind?
[09:45] <Arnold> I don't have Unity/GNOME 3 installed, but I think I know where it is specified to start.
[09:45] <Arnold> Girly-Girl: alright. Go to System Settings, and look for Startup and Shutdown
[09:46] <Arnold> Should be either in the Autostart area, or Service Manager
[09:46] <Girly-Girl> Arnold: Found only two gnome related things
[09:46] <Arnold> Uncheck them to disable them from starting up.
[09:46] <Girly-Girl> Arnold: one for nautilus-desktop and one for gtk integration
[09:47] <Arnold> gtk2-default-theme.rc.sh should stay on.
[09:47] <Arnold> But the rest of GNOME and its things should be disabled.
[09:47] <Arnold> The former is to give GTK+ apps a KDE theme integration, so that's harmless.
[09:47] <Girly-Girl> Arnold: Ok thanks i'll do that later
[09:48] <Arnold> Girly-Girl: it's just GNOME applications or session files trying to be more integrated with KDE's session, nothing more.
[09:48] <Arnold> Let me know if it works, or not.
[09:49] <Girly-Girl> Arnold: I haven't done it yet but I assume it works because if I kquitapp plasma-desktop, I see gnome's desktop. If I killall nautilus-desktop then kquitapp plasma-desktop, I see blank area
[09:50] <Arnold> Aha, then that makes sense. Atleast both GNOME and KDE are integral to themselves.
[10:01] <Girly-Girl> Arnold: But I have to remove gnome, having it is anoying like programs like to open nautilus by default and all, once nautilus browser starts, so does the desktop
[10:02] <Arnold> Well, there is a way to delete the packages of ubuntu-desktop, while leaving kubuntu-desktop intact.
[10:02] <Arnold> Since ubuntu-desktop is just a metapackage, nothing more.
[10:05] <Arnold> Girly-Girl: install and run gconf-editor, search for apps/nautilus/preferences and untick show desktop
[10:06] <Girly-Girl> Arnold: Why would I do that?
[10:06] <Arnold> Girly-Girl: so it won't start GNOME's desktop session whenever you start Nautilus
[10:06] <Arnold> Plus you can also restore the default applications settings in KDE easily.
[10:07] <Arnold> But if you want to get rid of all ubuntu-desktop's GNOME packages, leaving the raw kubuntu-desktop one, then that is also possible with a workaround.
[10:08] <Girly-Girl> I'll just remove it I have no use for gnome anyway, I'm  a die hard KDE user since KDE 3.3X
[10:10] <Arnold> Girly-Girl: it's possible to do it properly with aptitude. Are you familiar with that tool?
[10:10] <Girly-Girl> Arnold: yes
[10:11] <Arnold> Girly-Girl: then you just have to remove the ubuntu-desktop virtual package, and let kubuntu-desktop one selected.
[10:11] <Girly-Girl> Arnold: Or there is a list of package put by ubuntu-desktop on aysu's site
[10:12] <Arnold> Girly-Girl: hehe, not sure about that. I did converted my Ubuntu system into a Lubuntu one, and had no GNOME packages there at all (besides the mandatory GTK+ libraries and all)
[10:14] <Arnold> It was a fun experience, plus I learned more about (?)Ubuntu a lot. Rather than just thinking Arch Linux having the upper hand and all....
[10:31] <Arnold> GirlyGirl: just read the howto page for removing the ubuntu-desktop metapackage, and aysiu's advice was to install metapackages with aptitude, rather than apt-get, so that you can purge them easily with the packages too, not just the metapackage.
[10:37]  * yofel notes that just removing the ubuntu-desktop metapackage won't remove anything else
[10:38] <yofel> the *buntu-* metapackages get their dependencies marked as manually installed, so you need to remove all of them individually
[10:40] <Arnold> yofel: according to that how-to, it doesn't applies if you're handling packages with aptitude, rather than apt-get
[10:41] <Arnold> With aptitude, you're removing packages along with the metapackage. So all goes down.
[10:49] <yofel> Arnold: no, the difference is that with apt-get you need to run autoremove to remove unecessary packages, aptitude does that by itself
[10:49] <yofel> but that doesn't have any effect for the *buntu metapackages
[10:50] <yofel> as those are marked as never mark-auto in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01autoremove
[10:50] <yofel> hm, seems even to be the case for all metapackages
[10:53] <Arnold> Hmm, I was able to successfully delete the ubuntu-desktop packages and leave only ubuntu-core ones (much like in a difference way)
[10:54] <Arnold> Then I was able to install lubuntu-desktop packages.
[10:57] <fatum> hello there. I have kubuntu dualboot with win7.. how do I automount windows partition on startup? I knew there was a way, but can't recall..
[10:58] <Arnold> fatum: there is the ntfs-config way (not sure if it works, was broken a few releases ago), and there's the manual way by editing /etc/fstab
[10:59] <Arnold> fatum: "/dev/sda1 /media/Windows ntfs-3g quiet,defaults,rw 0 0"
[11:00] <Arnold> And /dev/sda1 is the first partition of the first disk (IDE HDD), /media/Windows/ is the mount point where this partition is to the mounted, and the rest of the settings are to stay intact.
[11:01] <Arnold> You'll have to modify according to your partitioning and taste. /dev/sdX, where X is the partition where your Windows partition is located (if you have more, you can add more of these lines)
[11:01] <Arnold> And /media/X, where X is the folder name you want it to mount it. But you have to create them with "sudo mkdir X", or else it won't automount them.
[11:05] <fatum> all right.. rw 0 0 means I can't read nor write?
[11:06] <Arnold> rw means read-write, the last two digits are dump-freq and pass-num.
[11:07] <Arnold> fatum: mounting with NTFS-3g with rw solves all kind of writing errors you might have due to lack of privilege of doing so.
[11:07] <fatum> very nice.. what about executable permission?
[11:08] <fatum> *permission to execute
[11:09] <Arnold> Also not a problem anymore. I was able to launch applications from it without chmod +x (which that failed anyhow).
[11:11] <fatum> Arnold: /dev/sda2: command not found
[11:11] <Arnold> fatum: you'll have to add them in /etc/fstab, not in the terminal
[11:21] <fatum> got it ;-)
[11:23] <fatum> thanks.. need to try it out, brb
[11:47] <rethus> hi, my mic-volume seems to adjust themself.
[11:47] <rethus> how can i disable this?
[11:48] <Eruaran> you cant, its a poltergeist
[11:48] <Eruaran> ;)
[11:49] <Eruaran> tell it to go away
[11:49] <Eruaran> :P
[11:49] <rethus> har har har :D
[11:55] <rethus> someone know a solution
[12:03] <supados> where i am...??
[12:05] <Eruaran> rethus: sorry I don't know
[12:06] <Eruaran> rethus: does the volume setting change or just the sound with the volume setting the same?
[12:07] <rethus> the sound-slider walk right and left
[12:08] <ArGGu^^> rethus maybe some app is changing the volume
[12:08] <rethus> i don't know... till pulseaudio is establish in kde i only have problems with my sound
[12:13] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[12:27] <Zlatan> Hello, a Kubuntu 11.04 + KDE4.7 user question: I can use a network printer HP3055 as a scanner with Ubuntu, but my recent Kubuntu machine can recognize it only as a printer, no scanner option with Skanlite. Similar problem here while Using Debian Squeeze, Gnome version, looks like only Ubuntu can recognize HP3055 correctly. Can it be fixed for Kubuntu somehow? Thank you
[12:29] <KIAaze> In Ubuntu, I think it's sane which takes care of scanners.
[12:30] <KIAaze> So mayeb you should have a look at commands like "sane-find-scanner" and "scanimage -L" to see which driver the scanner runs on, etc
[12:31] <KIAaze> it could also be a 64-bit/32-bit issue
[12:31] <KIAaze> I had a lot of problems getting an HP scanner to work because of that
[12:31] <Zlatan> All my systems were 32bit
[12:31] <KIAaze> only the 32-bit driver existed/worked
[12:35] <Zlatan> KIAaze: can I show commands output for you in PM?
[12:36] <KIAaze> if you want, but I'm not sure I can help much
[12:36] <KIAaze> at least not more than google ^^
[12:37] <KIAaze> just a minute, I'm restarting konversation. It's hiding my mouse.
[12:38] <KIAaze> back
[12:40] <Zlatan> I will not bother you then;) Thanks anyway
[12:59] <ironfroggy> I just moved from an intel-gfx t510 to a t520 with dual intel/nv and i'm running that in intel mode. kubuntu 11.04 on both, but i can't get external displays detected on the new machine.
[12:59] <ironfroggy> Does anyone maybe know why that might be or what I may be able to do to get an external display recognized?
[13:32] <TheLastProject> I have "Euro on 5" set in the Keyboard settings on Kubuntu 11.04, however, I still can't type the Euro symbol
[13:32] <TheLastProject> Not with Ctrl+5, not with Alt+5, not with Ctrl+Alt+5, not with Ctrl+Shift+5, not with Ctrl+Alt+Shift+5, not with Alt+Shift+5, really just not... What can I do about this?
[13:40] <OerHeks> TheLastProject, alt-gr + 5
[13:40] <TheLastProject> Ah...
[13:40] <TheLastProject> Geez
[13:41] <TheLastProject> That explains a lot
[13:41] <OerHeks> yw
[13:41] <TheLastProject> lol
[13:41] <FloodBotK1> TheLastProject: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[13:41] <TheLastProject> I'm used to it being on Ctrl+Alt on Windows, thanks! (Bot, don't overreact)
[13:42] <OerHeks> now you ca make someone happy with €
[13:42] <TheLastProject> Myself :P
[13:51] <ZeTa> hey guys
[13:52] <ZeTa> i have a problem with my conecction in kubuntu
[13:52] <ZeTa> becouse i have a network with no difusion ssid
[13:52] <ZeTa> and i can't connect...
[13:53] <ZeTa> (sorry by my horrible english... )
[14:28] <haitam_> hi all
[14:28] <haitam_> :)
[14:30] <GirlyGirl> Poor WIFI reception compared to windows with Atheros Ar9285 any idea?
[14:35] <GirlyGirl> .
[14:59] <jbwiv> guys, I recently installed kubuntu over a vanilla 11.10 install. I'm using firefox as my browser, and none of the appropriate application mappings seem to be there (for example, when I download a zip, FF tries to open it with gvim. How can I get the appropriate mappings set to a reasonable set of defaults?
[15:45] <Trashi> hi guys. i installed kubuntu and im missing the grid desktop. For some reason the grouping desktop layout is not included in the ubuntu repository. how can i enable it?
[16:15] <avihay_> wrong place to ask, but can anyone tell me how to set up auto-login on a passwordless admin account in WinXP
[16:16] <avihay_> in kdm it's fairly easy, but I don't see any option to do it in win
[16:24] <russ_> having trouble here my webcam works just fine in Cheese and other apps but adobe flash isnt reading my cam from within firefox any ideas?
[16:29] <russ_> in the flash settings it finds the usb mic thats built into the webcam and that works just not a webcam for a selection
[16:31] <avihay_> solved
[16:59] <camilo> Hi
[18:14] <roderyck> hello
[18:16] <OerHeks> hi roderyck
[18:17] <roderyck> hi i just install konversation on ubuntu ..kde is light
[18:18] <roderyck> 73
[19:08] <Juanpa> sddd
[19:11] <z7> hi
[19:17] <DaSkreech> hi
[19:24] <ambusher_> help me change flash screen in virtualbox
[19:25] <phoenix_firebrd> ambusher_:  you mean the plymoth splash screen?
[19:25] <ambusher_> no d one which says "ubuntu"
[19:26] <phoenix_firebrd> ambusher_: while booting?
[19:26] <ambusher_> yep
[19:26] <phoenix_firebrd> ambusher_: thats the plymouth theme
[19:26] <ambusher_> oh.. hw to change it
[19:27] <phoenix_firebrd> ambusher_:  try this http://www.ubuntugeek.com/plymouth-manager-simple-tool-to-change-splash-screen-themes.html
[19:28] <ambusher_> thanx
[19:28] <phoenix_firebrd> ambusher_: yw
[20:20] <phoenix_firebrd> anyone there to help?
[20:25] <rork> phoenix_firebrd: please ask the real question :)
[20:26] <phoenix_firebrd> rork: its about 11.10, if you find it wrong to discuss it here, can you come to #ubuntu+1
[20:37] <The_Jag> Please I need help setting up mercurial to clone a remote repo
[20:38] <The_Jag> I got the bash: hg: command not found error
[20:40] <The_Jag> please any help?
[20:42] <Pici> The_Jag: You need to install mercurial first.
[20:43] <Pici> The_Jag: sudo apt-get install mercurial
[20:44] <The_Jag> Pici: I have all correctly set up
[20:45] <The_Jag> only just doing hg clone ssh://remote/path doesn't work
[20:45] <The_Jag> which is because ssh cannot find hg on the remote machine (which obviously is present)
[20:51] <DaSkreech> which hg ?
[21:49] <Trashi>  hi.  by default in kde exists an "grid desktop"-layout which im missing in (k)ubuntu... does anybody know how to enable? i just want to align all my widgets on the desktop on grid ..
[21:53] <gomiboy> Trashi: not sure if you mean this: right click on desktop->desktop settings->(unlock widgets)->Layout: Newspaper
[21:59] <Trashi> gomiboy: i know that newspaper layout but i thought in default kde would be also a "grid/group layout" which allows to align all widgets on grid without the newspaper layout. take a look for that: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tOAzCQUd5o
[22:00] <Trashi> gomiboy: did try to install but there were many errors while buildung/installing..
[22:02] <Trashi> gomiboy: by default there should be a "grid desktop" layout under Desktop->DesktopSettings
[22:02] <Trashi> gomiboy: did isntall  kdeplasma-addons package but no change :(
[22:07] <gomiboy> Trashi: never seen before that grind thing, so it's not "by default", and that project in the links seems dead since 2010 :(
[22:08] <Trashi> gomiboy: hm ok :/ thanks anyway
[22:13] <Trashi> gomiboy: hm ... they guys at #kde sais that  the grid layout comes with the kdeplasma-addons package... not so in ubuntu *
[22:13] <Trashi> *grrrrr*
[23:23] <docid> ok, quick little issue, seems my task bar doesnt understand Z axis properly, after running for a few days or weeks, it will start to go where i click something, it drops down for me to choose which window i want from that task, but it the click lands on the window below it instead of the dropdown option
[23:23] <docid> running maverick on this one, but seeing it on my natty machines as well
[23:23] <szal> ?
[23:24] <docid> sorry, was i unclear?
[23:24] <docid> im having that issue lately
[23:24] <docid> of being unclear that is
[23:24] <docid> and the taskbar issue as well
[23:25] <docid> ok, just for example, say ya got 11 firefox windows open and they all stack on the plasma task list bar as a single entry
[23:25] <docid> so you click the firfox extry and it drops down a list of firefox windows
[23:26] <docid> now , if there is a window behind that list of windows, when i click on the list, the click lands on the window behind the list
[23:26] <szal> why would one want multiple FF instances?  that's what tabs are for :P
[23:26] <docid> instead of selecting the window i want
[23:26] <docid> can only get about 40 tabs on a single window
[23:26] <docid> maybe 50 before it starts scrolling and gets hard to manage
[23:27] <SIR_Taco> szal: it's best not to ask why
[23:27] <docid> and it was just for example./.. terminator, file browser, etc, doesnt matter what the program is, still happens
[23:27] <docid> lol taco
[23:28] <docid> and sometimes i have a different browser on each monitor, handy for research
[23:28] <docid> restarting kdm resolves it, but obviously not a proper solution
[23:29] <docid> having trouble googleing an answer due to not being able to word the problem in a way that results in related results
[23:30] <docid> also, seem to have been afflicted with something that is making me type as though english were not my first language, but i doubt you all can help with that
[23:31] <docid> so any ideas? or any info that might help ?
[23:31] <SIR_Taco> docid: unfortunately I really haven't played around with that option
[23:31] <docid> option?
[23:32]  * szal has never had any such problem
[23:32] <SIR_Taco> docid: ok, maybe I don't understand what you're talking about then haha
[23:32] <docid> ok, plasma task bar, where it shows all the programs and windows you have open....
[23:33] <docid> we on the same page?
[23:33] <SIR_Taco> yep
[23:33] <docid> if you have several of the same program running, they stack in that bar, get a little arrow with a number on the edge of the entry
[23:33] <SIR_Taco> ok, so they're grouping... go on
[23:33] <docid> click that entry and it drops down so you can select what window you want
[23:34] <SIR_Taco> yep
[23:34] <docid> now, if there is a full screen window, or any other window under that list
[23:34] <docid> when you click something from thhe list, the click goes to the window behind, instead of the list
[23:34] <docid> like the back window is grabbing the mouse
[23:35] <docid> so in order to change tasks i have to minimise, or move enough stuff so i can see desktop behind it
[23:35] <docid> behind the dropdown list
[23:35] <docid> otherwise cannot click the list...
[23:35] <SIR_Taco> ok woah... stop a second... when you say "it goes to the window behind" you mean the 'full screen' window?
[23:35] <docid> sure, or whatever else is back there
[23:36] <docid> whatever the top window is behind the list
[23:36] <SIR_Taco> what is the 'full screen window'? Firefox after you've hit F11? or a full-screen flash player?
[23:36] <docid> ok, now heres the weird part, its only on the right half of the taskbar...
[23:36] <docid> ohh
[23:37] <docid> sorry, i meen a maximised window,
[23:37] <docid> or anything floatingg behind the list
[23:37] <docid> was trying to use fullscreen window for clarity (see above... having issues with clarity)
[23:37] <SIR_Taco> ok... so what do you want it to do?
[23:37] <docid> i want the click to select the window from the list
[23:37] <docid> like it normally does
[23:38] <SIR_Taco> as-in click and have a list show up to select from?
[23:38] <docid> well, if there are grouped programs, i click on the grouped programs on the task bar, it drops down a list
[23:38] <docid> the problem is selecting from that list
[23:39] <docid> the click doesnt go to the dropped down list
[23:39] <SIR_Taco> ok....
[23:39] <docid> it goes to windows behind the list
[23:40] <SIR_Taco> so, lets say you have 4 Firefox windows open.... one is maximized the other 3 are minimized.... you click on "FireFox...." in the taskbar, and you get the maximized one and not a list?
[23:40] <docid> no
[23:40] <docid> i get a dropdown list
[23:40] <docid> but i cant click on the list
[23:40] <docid> the clicks go through the list to the window behind it
[23:41] <SIR_Taco> oooooh... ok... so say you had Gimp open, you click "FireFox...." in the task bar, click on a list item for that group and you're back to Gimp?
[23:42] <docid> if gimp is behind where that list dropped down, yes
[23:42] <docid> well, but the list stays up untill i click it again
[23:42] <SIR_Taco> ok, I see what you're saying now
[23:42] <docid> unable to select from the list until i move everything away from behind where the list drops down
[23:43] <docid> hard one to google
[23:43] <docid> maybe i dont have the vocabulary
[23:43] <SIR_Taco> I'd file a bug, but until then you could turn off grouping (grouping pisses me off haha)
[23:44] <docid> as i said, this usually happens after running for some time....
[23:44] <docid> ohh my, id have to have like a 4 row task list then
[23:44] <docid> would take up sooo much space
[23:44] <docid> i kind of run much at once
[23:45] <SIR_Taco> well there's no quick fix for that... not sure where the problem is exactly, but likely with plasma
[23:45] <docid> thats what i figgured,
[23:45] <docid> how to reload plasma without killing running apps, etc
[23:45] <docid> ?
[23:45] <docid> someway i can make it just reload the desktop in place?
[23:46] <SIR_Taco> http://userbase.kde.org/Plasma#Reloading_Plasma
[23:46] <docid> ahh, thanks much :)
[23:47] <SIR_Taco> I'd probably suggest "kquitapp plasma-desktop && plasma-desktop" (just incase Konsole dies when you do it)
[23:48] <docid> i usually do that sort of thing from an actual console
[23:48] <docid> outside of the de
[23:48] <docid> otherwise it feels like sawing on a branch yer sittin on
[23:49] <Daskreech> docid: it won't
[23:49] <Daskreech> plasma-desktop is just the background and pretty buttons None of the applications are tied to it
[23:49] <Daskreech> You can even run plasma-desktop in gnome and then have only Gnome applications inside it
[23:49] <docid> aye, thats what i thought, but didnt quite know how to kill it and bring it back up
[23:50] <docid> ohh fun, next time kde breaks to the point where it wont load anymore ill remember that.... i hope
[23:50] <Daskreech> I used to prevent plasma from starting back when I had a few hundred megs of RAM and I was running test versions of KDE
[23:50] <Daskreech> but you can make a small script that simply says kquitapp plasma-desktop && sleep 4 && plasma-desktop
[23:51] <Daskreech> call it newplas or something
[23:51] <docid> aye
[23:51] <Daskreech> anytime it's giving too much problems just press alt+F2 and type newplas and tada!
[23:51] <docid> welll, that didnt work out too well
[23:51] <Daskreech> krunner is also not tied to plasma-desktop so you can have just krunner running and it will be able to launch new programs etc
[23:52] <docid> ohh weird, it reloaded and my desktop came back when i clicked it, fun
[23:52] <docid> bam, that fixes it... thanks much
[23:52] <docid> other than memory lockups that was my olny reason to reboot
[23:53] <Daskreech> memory lockups sounds harsh
[23:53] <Daskreech>  what's happening there?
[23:54] <docid> well, with a vbox open and something using wine leaking memory like the fed does cash.... slams into swap and everything comes to a halt, usually stuck using alt-sysreq combos because cant switch tty or ssh in
[23:55] <docid> usually teamviewer left open is the cause
[23:55] <SIR_Taco> but the group list is fixed?
[23:55] <docid> the plasma reload works great
[23:56] <Daskreech> docid: alt-sysreq and killX then
[23:56] <Daskreech> don't need to reboot
[23:56] <docid> how to killX with alt-sysreq? usually get nothing beack untill it reboots, using R E I S U B
[23:57] <SIR_Taco> docid: still file a bug about it... even if it takes a while to appear, there's something not right going on
[23:57] <docid> will have to do it from home... shouldnt really be debugging my desktop at work in the first place :)
[23:59] <Daskreech> docid: Magic keys just do what you tell them to there is no indicators :)