[04:49] <ntrly_owl> Is there a good guide on the wiki for replacing network manager with wicd?
[04:51] <jargonfactory> rm -rf `which NetworkManager`; invoke-rc.d wicd restart ? ;-)
[04:51] <ntrly_owl> no thanks
[04:52] <jargonfactory> that's a joke
[04:52] <ntrly_owl> i hope so
[04:52] <jargonfactory> it is.
[04:52] <ntrly_owl> wicd doesnt come installed by default anyway
[04:53] <ntrly_owl> id have thought ubuntu wiki had such a guide
[04:53] <ntrly_owl> seems not
[04:54] <jargonfactory> hi folks \o.
[04:54] <jargonfactory> there's a config for that somewhere no?
[04:55] <ntrly_owl> for what
[04:55] <ntrly_owl> this guide seems odd, it uses bash commands and then unity: http://www.liberiangeek.net/2011/09/having-wireless-wi-fi-trouble-in-ubuntu-use-wicd-network-manager-instead/
[04:55] <jargonfactory> cool
[05:03] <jargonfactory> ntrly_owl: by config, i meant wicd's config.
[05:04] <ntrly_owl> a config for what exactly?
[05:04] <ntrly_owl> im sure wicd has a config file
[05:05] <jargonfactory> yeah so good. go dig wicd configs, disable nm and i think you should be good :)
[05:06] <ntrly_owl> dig=find or tweak?
[05:06] <ntrly_owl> or be enthused about
[05:06] <ntrly_owl> man im digging this config file! woohoo!
[05:06] <ntrly_owl> not
[05:06] <jargonfactory> hah
[05:06] <ntrly_owl> ill use the gui anyway
[05:06] <ntrly_owl> well my friend will
[05:06] <jargonfactory> wicd has curses no?
[05:06] <ntrly_owl> gtk
[05:07] <ntrly_owl> curses is tui
[05:07] <ntrly_owl> iirc
[05:07] <ntrly_owl> it needs clicky clicky work work
[05:07] <ntrly_owl> ty
[05:07] <jargonfactory> haha
[05:07] <ntrly_owl> i hope it sits in the panel
[05:09] <jargonfactory> ahh i see it does gtk+ as well. 
[05:09] <jargonfactory> np if you don't any luck here, try ML/forum
[05:12] <ntrly_owl> aye
[05:27] <sagaci> just wondering if 9pm is too late for NSW, VIC and TAS for the monthly meeting,
[05:46] <gggs> I just bought myself a 1.5TB USB2 hdd, I'm trying to decide which fs to use. Reliability is my biggest concern, speed isn't a factor. I'm thinking either XFS or ext4
[05:47] <gggs> or maybe even 2x 750GB partitions, one with a periodic snapshot of the other? sounds like a waste though
[05:47] <sagaci> depends how you do your backups
[05:49] <gggs> sagaci: backups consist of two encrypted Truecrypt volumes + music, it's mainly for archives (eg priority 2 files like avi's, iso's)
[05:59] <gggs> xfs vs jfs vs ext4?
[06:33] <jargonfactory> gggs: fwiw, i think xfs is better for reliability though i just read up on zfs and i think i'd certainly not mind top notch reliability :)
[06:34] <jargonfactory> (and i think zfs is *the* best you can get)
[06:35] <gggs> looks interesting, built by Sun, but I'm reading it has licensing issues with the GPL, and not too well supported
[06:36] <jargonfactory> yep exactly cddl it seems unfortunately isn't compatible with gpl 
[06:36] <gggs> What I'm going to do is make 2x700GB partitions, one xfs, the other ext3, and copy one to the other every month as a sortof `self-backup'
[06:37] <jargonfactory> cool. one thing is do pull them out occasionally too ;)
[06:38] <jargonfactory> (and use them)
[06:38] <gggs> when I approach 700GB eventually, I'll delete the 2nd partition and expand the first
[06:38] <gggs> pull them out?
[06:38] <jargonfactory> yeah. test the validity of the backus
[06:40] <gggs> for sure, I've had issues with backup DVDs in the past
[06:50] <gggs> hah, 13 seconds to create a 683GB XFS partition, almost 8 minutes to create an ext3 partition of the same
[08:14] <head_victim> sagaci: was just thinking of poking you tonight about the reminder ;) Nice work
[16:57] <ikt> heh
[16:57] <ikt> has anyone seen this:
[16:57] <ikt> http://thisisthecountdown.com/
[16:57] <ikt> that is awesome
[20:42] <head_victim> ikt: yeah, pity the release team didn't even know it existed until they came across it by chance.