YoBoY | good morning | 05:47 |
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philipballew | good evening | 05:52 |
NRWlion | hey there | 08:05 |
NRWlion | hey there | 15:05 |
akgraner | hey | 15:07 |
akgraner | YoBoy - can you give me the link to the French translation of UWN | 15:07 |
akgraner | I'd like to look at the previous/next text you all use on your pages | 15:08 |
* akgraner goes back to UWN summaries :-) | 15:08 | |
YoBoY | it's not on the french translation of uwn we use that | 15:08 |
akgraner | ahh I misunderstood then...oops | 15:09 |
YoBoY | we actualy are not translating uwn since... better not look at it ^^" | 15:09 |
akgraner | hehe no worries | 15:09 |
akgraner | do you have previous and next on any of your wiki pages? | 15:09 |
YoBoY | we use it on our frnech documentation http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/oneiric << | 15:09 |
akgraner | ahhh ok | 15:09 |
akgraner | great | 15:09 |
akgraner | just adding looking into it on my todo list and needed a place to start :-) | 15:10 |
akgraner | YoBoY, thank you! | 15:10 |
YoBoY | but be carreful, it's not a moinmoin wiki, it's a dokuwiki, not the same syntax | 15:10 |
YoBoY | (and I have a css bug to fix xD ) | 15:10 |
NRWlion | anything to do here? | 15:11 |
NRWlion | :D | 15:11 |
YoBoY | NRWlion: hugs to everyone :) | 15:11 |
* philipballew wonders the same | 15:15 | |
* NRWlion hugs every1 in the room | 15:15 | |
NRWlion | akgraner: did you see my comment on the leadership doc on google docs? | 15:16 |
akgraner | yep - just haven't gotten there yet today :-) | 15:17 |
akgraner | philipballew, I haven't started the spread sheet yet if you want to set that up... | 15:18 |
akgraner | or would you rather I did - I'm a little behind...heck one second - I'll snag you the link | 15:18 |
akgraner | or rather a link | 15:18 |
philipballew | akgraner, alright. i can look at it today. | 15:20 |
akgraner | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtKZelXU8Y2LdHluVk1BSXlPMDdfT3lVUEZhS211QUE&hl=en_US | 15:21 |
akgraner | feel free to change it :-) that's just the basic start | 15:22 |
NRWlion | akgraner: if approved i'd like to give some comments on that spreadsheet too | 15:23 |
akgraner | no need to be approved :-) just jump in :-) | 15:24 |
akgraner | all feedback is welcome and encourage | 15:24 |
akgraner | just wanted to work on finding resources we can point people to and use ourselves when adapting a skill set to the Ubuntu Community etc | 15:25 |
* akgraner heads back to summaries :-) | 15:26 | |
philipballew | well off to my day! ill be bacl on around 5 | 15:27 |
philipballew | *back | 15:27 |
NRWlion | akgraner: may i steal a minute of your time pls? | 16:12 |
NRWlion | have some points i'd like to discuss on the leadership skills spreadsheet you linked! | 16:13 |
akgraner | I can't right this second trying to get UWN wrapped up before this afternoon. Can we go over it tomorrow - or later once UWN is out if you are still online and available? | 16:14 |
NRWlion | how long will you need to wrap the UWN? | 16:15 |
akgraner | at least another hour...pulling the stats now and it will still need to be reviewed by the team | 16:15 |
NRWlion | copy that | 16:16 |
NRWlion | i will place myself in front of TV now | 16:16 |
NRWlion | but i can take my ipad with me to be available | 16:16 |
NRWlion | ;) | 16:16 |
akgraner | great - thank you | 16:19 |
akgraner | will ping you on IRC once I am finished | 16:19 |
NRWlion | reporting back | 17:24 |
akgraner | NRWlion, ok :-) | 17:25 |
akgraner | waiting on a review of UWN now we've got all the information in there | 17:25 |
akgraner | so what's up - I saw your comments on the spreadsheet - all of them good points | 17:25 |
akgraner | that list is in no particular order | 17:26 |
NRWlion | just wanted to give you the opportunity to ask questions | 17:26 |
akgraner | and while we would like to prevent burnout we have to acknowledge that right now we have an undercurrent of frustration and burnout in the community | 17:26 |
NRWlion | akgraner: as my english isnt the best one i would guarantee to be clear ;) | 17:26 |
akgraner | ahh I understood - your English is awesome! | 17:27 |
NRWlion | do my comments fit ? i mean are they helpful for you guys to work on? | 17:28 |
akgraner | We need to move things around some and put them in a better order - you have a lot of amazing insight on this.. | 17:28 |
akgraner | NRWlion, they are great! | 17:28 |
akgraner | feel free to add any comments you think of - between now and UDS we are trying to get as much information gathered and some put somewhere so we can emerge from UDS with a solid plan for the -P (Ubuntu 12.04 LTS) cycle | 17:29 |
NRWlion | akgraner: my problem is, i need to be pointed to things you guys need my "expertise" on ;) | 17:31 |
NRWlion | akgraner: anything else you want my opinion on? | 17:32 |
akgraner | NRWlion, well other than the spreadsheet the other resources are listed in my blog post and I think on the wiki - but I have to double check that though. | 17:33 |
NRWlion | akgraner: feel free to drop me a line on jens.leineweber@googlemail.com if you need me | 17:34 |
akgraner | will do | 17:34 |
* akgraner is thinking | 17:34 | |
akgraner | NRWlion, do you feel comfortable re-arranging the skill set list to some logical order | 17:35 |
NRWlion | akgraner: which one? | 17:35 |
akgraner | how about the spread sheet | 17:36 |
akgraner | and we'll leave the document as is - a place to add brainstorming thoughts to the list | 17:37 |
Cheesehead | What's the link to that spreadsheet? I don't see it among my notes... | 17:39 |
akgraner | Cheesehead, that's b/c I just added it :) | 17:40 |
akgraner | one second | 17:40 |
akgraner | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtKZelXU8Y2LdHluVk1BSXlPMDdfT3lVUEZhS211QUE&hl=en_US#gid=0 | 17:40 |
Cheesehead | akgraner: Thank you! | 17:40 |
NRWlion | Cheesehead: i felt free to put some input of my own into it as my studies are containing a major subject in leadership | 17:41 |
akgraner | Cheesehead, you're welcome | 17:41 |
NRWlion | ;) | 17:41 |
Cheesehead | NRWlion: Thank you for adding! | 17:41 |
akgraner | I wanted a place where people could add resource links to the various skill sets listed on the document | 17:41 |
akgraner | NRWlion, has some great feedback and I believe is going to put the list via the spreadsheet into a logical order of sorts | 17:42 |
NRWlion | Cheesehead: dont thank me before reading my comments ;) | 17:42 |
NRWlion | maybe you disagree with me ;) | 17:42 |
akgraner | and we'll keep the document for ad hoc brainstorming - as people think of more skills etc | 17:42 |
Cheesehead | NRWlion: My preferred conflict-resolution method involves beverages, pizza, and karaoke. If I disagree, is that method of resoultion okay? | 17:45 |
NRWlion | Cheesehead: sorry i dont get you atm? | 17:45 |
NRWlion | Cheesehead: what do you mean ? | 17:48 |
* Cheesehead is looking over the spreadsheet comments | 17:48 | |
* NRWlion is a little confused about the beverages thing | 17:48 | |
Cheesehead | NRWlion: Sorry I said it poorly. I meant to say that disagreements are not a problem | 17:49 |
NRWlion | Cheesehead: so what is it then? | 17:50 |
akgraner | Cheesehead, I think what NRWlion means is they can be...if not handled correctly | 17:50 |
Cheesehead | akgraner: A great summation. Agreed. | 17:51 |
* Cheesehead is still catching back up from the weekend activities. | 17:51 | |
NRWlion | sorry folks but i am still not able to get the point ... and that annoyes me | 17:52 |
NRWlion | :D | 17:52 |
* Cheesehead is crafting a clearer version...one moment please | 17:52 | |
akgraner | NRWlion, don't be annoyed...I am sorry if I put an incorrect summation of your point here... | 17:53 |
Cheesehead | NRWlion: In the past I have been in lots of groups and on lots of teams. There were people I disagreed with. Usually, we would sit down and have a pizza and beer (beverage) and figure out the problem. We *always* get the problem resolved... | 17:54 |
NRWlion | akgraner: dont be ... it simply "annoyes" me not to know with point of my comments your guys are talking about ;) | 17:54 |
Cheesehead | ...So I do not forsee any disagreement we cannot work out pretty quickly. | 17:54 |
NRWlion | Cheesehead: the point is, that a good leader needs to prevent and incude possible disagreements of his / her co-workers | 17:55 |
Cheesehead | An excellent point. Agreed. | 17:55 |
akgraner | NRWlion totally agree with you there | 17:56 |
NRWlion | and to prevent those disagreements he needs to establish a plan of action | 17:56 |
NRWlion | this plan of action needs to fit into the specialities of the team members | 17:56 |
akgraner | I think you can't possible plan for everything but being able to look at any given situation from as many points as possible helps | 17:56 |
NRWlion | and because you can not know everyones speciality i recommend to have a kind of assessment centre to filter the ones who fit and those who dont | 17:57 |
akgraner | NRWlion, sometimes you won't know what those specialties are in the beginning...and the community and community teams are very fluid and undulating in the way people's contributions work... | 17:57 |
Cheesehead | Part of recruiting (or orientation) is to figure out what skills and resources people want to contribute. | 17:58 |
NRWlion | akgraner: agreed on your point BUT, if you try to establish a transparent plan of action (in this term: establish a transparent way to have the possible teammembers a look on what is needed | 17:58 |
akgraner | NRWlion, I think we have to operate in the community as there *is* a place for everyone - we just have to try to find all those places (or as many as possible) - I think that's called setting the expectations | 17:59 |
NRWlion | Cheesehead: that is why i sort a recommend this assessment centre which gives you a proper way on the qualifications | 17:59 |
akgraner | we can't tell people what they should think but we can set expectations etc | 17:59 |
NRWlion | akgraner: now you got my point *happy* | 17:59 |
NRWlion | have you guys ever heard about assessment centres? | 18:00 |
Cheesehead | Perhaps not by that name. | 18:00 |
Cheesehead | Many concepts have multiple names. | 18:00 |
NRWlion | Cheesehead: hang on, maybe i have some online literature about it | 18:01 |
akgraner | nope - but maybe like Cheesehead said there might be another name for it | 18:01 |
NRWlion | http://www.psychometric-success.com/assessment-centers/acfaq-what-is.htm | 18:02 |
NRWlion | have a read on this link i posted | 18:02 |
NRWlion | maybe this clears some of your questions | 18:02 |
* Cheesehead is reading... | 18:03 | |
akgraner | ditto | 18:03 |
Cheesehead | I've seem them variously called intake assessments, orientation questionaires, and a few other names. | 18:05 |
Cheesehead | I do informal interviewing to get that information. | 18:05 |
akgraner | yep- I don't think we would get far in the community with people being assets formally | 18:06 |
Cheesehead | One key to new team-members is gaining trust before asking them a bunch of questions. That's why use informal interviweing. The give-and-take and personal relationship builds the trust. | 18:06 |
akgraner | I know I would probably not like the idea of that | 18:06 |
Cheesehead | akgraner: It could be sold in much frendlier terms... | 18:07 |
akgraner | Cheesehead, nods - NRWlion however I think that leaders should know about how to do this informally | 18:07 |
akgraner | we all do it... | 18:07 |
NRWlion | akgraner: agreed | 18:07 |
akgraner | some just better than others | 18:07 |
akgraner | I like the resource/reference though | 18:07 |
* NRWlion likes the productive environment between akgraner and Cheesehead and himself | 18:07 | |
* Cheesehead too | 18:08 | |
akgraner | thanks me too - but everyone in here works like this - just not everyone is in front of IRC at the same times... | 18:08 |
NRWlion | akgraner: i am simply happy to have found a team to contribute as an expert after my past here in this community wasnt the best one ... you remember my story, dont you? | 18:10 |
NRWlion | that is why i wrote this | 18:10 |
Cheesehead | Some kind of intake (including orientation, skill assessment, etc) to new members is definitely part of successful recruiting. Else the new member just walks away bored. | 18:10 |
akgraner | I do :-) and thank you for your feedback | 18:10 |
akgraner | we'll just have to work it out together...and I think this group should be able to demonstrate that | 18:11 |
NRWlion | akgraner: as i am quite busy at the moment could you fill in Cheesehead? | 18:11 |
* Cheesehead sees his name and is puzzled. Fill in? | 18:12 | |
* Cheesehead scrolls back to see what he missed... | 18:12 | |
NRWlion | Cheesehead: it isnt mentioned in here | 18:12 |
NRWlion | the story akgraner and I talked about is back in 2010 | 18:13 |
NRWlion | and early 2011 | 18:13 |
* Cheesehead realizes he has been fooled by a wrapped line. | 18:14 | |
NRWlion | ??? | 18:14 |
Cheesehead | It was "Fill in X", not "Fill in, X". I'm the recipient, not the participant. | 18:15 |
akgraner | he guys brb - need to be afk for a few | 18:15 |
Cheesehead | Goodness. What I wrote confused *me* | 18:15 |
akgraner | thanks NRWlion and I am glad this team is working out better for you... | 18:16 |
* Cheesehead uses a time machine to go back 5 minutes in time and do it all over properly. | 18:16 | |
akgraner | Cheesehead, share the time machine I'm also in need of one :-) bbiab... | 18:17 |
NRWlion | akgraner: i will change my identity to get rid of the bad memories | 18:17 |
=== NRWlion is now known as SilverLion | ||
Cheesehead | SilverLion is a great name. | 18:18 |
SilverLion | :D | 18:18 |
SilverLion | starting to write my profiles etc new | 18:20 |
SilverLion | Cheesehead: to get to know me better: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/nrwlion-testimonials | 18:21 |
Cheesehead | My wiki page is incomplete...I plan to apply in perhaps the spring. But some other stuff is at https://plus.google.com/116428448573403038184 | 18:23 |
Cheesehead | Oh, something came up. Must go... | 18:25 |
* Cheesehead departs for a couple hours | 18:25 | |
SilverLion | Cheesehead: look for Jens Leineweber on G+ and you will find me ;) | 18:25 |
NRWlion | re | 18:39 |
NRWlion | aloha i am back after my internet connection crashed ;) | 19:21 |
NRWlion | anybody there? | 19:52 |
YoBoY | nop | 19:54 |
YoBoY | :D | 19:54 |
NRWlion | hey yoboy how is everything? | 19:56 |
YoBoY | 42 | 19:56 |
YoBoY | well, fine I think | 19:57 |
NRWlion | ;) | 19:59 |
akgraner | Thought I'd share with you all - this just ended up in my twitter feed - 12 Most Effective Habits of “Social People” - http://12most.com/2011/08/17/12-effective-habits-social-people-2/ | 20:03 |
NRWlion | akgraner: while i am working to update my main desktop to the "new" stable lubuntu I will write down some thoughts about leadership ... but attention these are my personal opinion and not founded with resources to depend on | 20:06 |
NRWlion | :D | 20:06 |
akgraner | no worries :-) we all have thoughts on Leadership :-) | 20:07 |
akgraner | Thank you! | 20:08 |
NRWlion | akgraner: here is one more link for you to read (went through my university stuff and found it) | 20:10 |
NRWlion | http://ezinearticles.com/?Whats-It-Takes-To-Be-A-Leader&id=709149 | 20:11 |
NRWlion | akgraner: need your help | 20:21 |
NRWlion | ;) | 20:21 |
akgraner | what's up...just published UWN and I have to get one email out....it will be an hour or so before I have some free time | 20:22 |
akgraner | but happy to ping you when I am finished - it's a good article... | 20:22 |
NRWlion | akgraner: just a simple question: I am asked to apply for ubuntu beginners team and would like to hear your opinion ... you know me a bit now and as we are working together that productively I would love to have a testimonial from you | 20:23 |
akgraner | I think you have a lot to offer...I can give a testimonial if you'd like - which area of the BT are you applying for? Or just overall membership - not sure how it's organized these days | 20:25 |
akgraner | NRWlion, where do I need to send the testimonial too? | 20:25 |
NRWlion | hang on a sec | 20:25 |
NRWlion | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/nrwlion-testimonials << there would be lovely | 20:26 |
NRWlion | Cheesehead: ping! | 20:26 |
bkerensa | akgraner: <c_smith> +and that we're in the weekly newsletter is awesome! :D | 20:29 |
bkerensa | :D | 20:30 |
NRWlion | who is "we" bkerensa | 20:30 |
bkerensa | Ubuntu Oregon LoCo | 20:30 |
NRWlion | bkerensa: kk | 20:31 |
NRWlion | yeah ^^ my mentor at ubt just approved my application for Ubuntu Beginners Team | 21:08 |
NRWlion | :D | 21:08 |
akgraner | sweet - congratulations | 21:20 |
NRWlion | akgraner: that is why i need your support for ;) | 21:20 |
NRWlion | akgraner: if you have the time (i know you are busy as hell ;) ) i would appreciate it if you could give me a testimonial and talk to the s-fox (my mentor) about our co-op | 21:21 |
akgraner | sure - I'll add it to my list - if you don't see anything on your wiki (by 7am EST - my time) then I'll get it after noon my time tomorrow :-) | 21:22 |
NRWlion | hey mentor s-fox ;) | 21:33 |
NRWlion | akgraner: pls meet the s-fox (my mentor at UBT) | 21:34 |
s-fox | Hello. | 21:34 |
akgraner | hi s-fox! | 21:34 |
akgraner | I read your blog often - thanks for all the interviews btw -) | 21:34 |
akgraner | :-) | 21:34 |
s-fox | I suppose I should also come in here to find out what this channel is for, though NRWlion is the main reason I am currently here :) | 21:35 |
* NRWlion is flattered ^^ | 21:35 | |
akgraner | great | 21:35 |
NRWlion | akgraner: i talk to s-fox about my contribution and mentioned that you would be the perfect person to ask about my work here at the leadership team | 21:35 |
s-fox | The forum council got DarkwingDuck's email, I would like to hear more | 21:35 |
akgraner | great - let me get you the link to the wiki where posts about the group have been added | 21:36 |
akgraner | s-fox, will you be online and in IRC for a while longer I have to finish an email right quick | 21:37 |
akgraner | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuLeadership/Links | 21:37 |
s-fox | Okay,until 23:00 UTC I shall be online | 21:37 |
* NRWlion stays online that long if needed | 21:39 | |
s-fox | NRWlion: I said I would add my support ;) I know the time is bad for you | 21:40 |
NRWlion | s-fox i am re-installing my main desktop | 21:41 |
akgraner | s-fox - NRWlion I'll add a testimonial - s-fox feel free to join in on the efforts of the leadership team.... | 21:44 |
akgraner | we need to update the forums thread and add more information it it | 21:44 |
akgraner | to it even... | 21:44 |
NRWlion | akgraner: which side did you add the testimonial on? i dont see it in my wiki | 21:45 |
akgraner | I haven't yet | 21:45 |
NRWlion | ah ^^ ok | 21:45 |
akgraner | I am in the middle of something | 21:45 |
NRWlion | i misinterpreted the I'll into a I've | 21:46 |
NRWlion | :D | 21:46 |
akgraner | no worries | 21:46 |
s-fox | akgraner: we created the sub forum at DarkwingDuck 's request, no threads have been created in it. http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=411 | 21:46 |
akgraner | s-fox yep I just realized that today :-( | 21:46 |
akgraner | I'll add that to my to do list and get it updated... | 21:47 |
akgraner | then find someone to help keep it updated...:-) Just a busy time for everyone right now with 11.10 about to be released... | 21:48 |
s-fox | akgraner: Do you have a forums account? | 21:49 |
NRWlion | s-fox need help with the ubuntu forums as well :( | 21:49 |
NRWlion | my passwort and email isnt recognized | 21:49 |
s-fox | I will have a look NRWlion | 21:49 |
NRWlion | thx man | 21:49 |
akgraner | s-fox yep I post UWN :-) | 21:51 |
s-fox | NRWlion: Taken care of. | 21:52 |
s-fox | akgraner: So, what can the forum council help the ubuntu leadership project with? | 21:53 |
NRWlion | kk thx | 21:53 |
akgraner | DarkwingDuck, or Cheesehead can you assist s-fox please it's going to be a few minutes before I can answer... | 21:56 |
* Cheesehead returns | 22:03 | |
Cheesehead | Scrolling back... | 22:03 |
Cheesehead | Hello, s-fox. Thanks for coming by. | 22:05 |
Cheesehead | Seems like my forum account works properly. | 22:07 |
Cheesehead | s-fox: The forum council can help us in a few ways. First, by providing feedback. | 22:09 |
s-fox | On what exactly do you want feedback on? | 22:09 |
Cheesehead | Great question - trying to say it just right...one moment please... | 22:10 |
Cheesehead | Ack. So much to say, and a few distractions here... | 22:11 |
NRWlion | am i needed here ? | 22:12 |
NRWlion | otherwise i would love to see my pillow ;) | 22:12 |
Cheesehead | NRWlion: Your input is always welcome, but I undersand the call of the night very well. You're busy - get some rest. | 22:13 |
NRWlion | s-fox you need my for now? or are we clear about my application? | 22:13 |
NRWlion | @ Cheesehead: s-fox is my mentor for ubuntu-beginners-team and working on my application for membership | 22:14 |
s-fox | Cheesehead: I am here for 2 reasons. | 22:15 |
s-fox | First to hear from akgraner about how NRWlion has been helping this project and second, to find out how the forum council can assist. | 22:16 |
Cheesehead | I can talk the second reason. | 22:16 |
Cheesehead | The forum community, from my outsider persective, seems cohesive and consistent. | 22:16 |
Cheesehead | Good moderation. | 22:16 |
NRWlion | Cheesehead: you can talk the first reason too ^^ you have seen my comments and stuff didnt you? | 22:17 |
NRWlion | :D | 22:17 |
* Cheesehead laughs | 22:18 | |
Cheesehead | I certainly can. | 22:18 |
Cheesehead | I have about 10 minutes before I must leave this location, so to business! | 22:18 |
Cheesehead | Does the forum council, or leaders in the forums community, talk much about good leaders or leadership? | 22:19 |
NRWlion | well then go for it ^^ | 22:19 |
s-fox | To an extent, yes Cheesehead . | 22:21 |
s-fox | The forum moderators and administrators often talk about how to best handle some situations that occur. | 22:22 |
s-fox | Good leadership falls under good advice | 22:22 |
Cheesehead | It shows. Whenever I see moderation (rarely), it's consistent and effective, no matter who the mod is. | 22:23 |
* Cheesehead is suddenly deluged by a couple unexpected events | 22:24 | |
Cheesehead | My apologies, I must step out for a couple hours again. | 22:24 |
Cheesehead | Happy to pick this up again at your convenience. | 22:25 |
s-fox | Some moderators wait for input from others before acting | 22:25 |
s-fox | I am likely to be gone by the time you return. I will continue to wait for akgraner | 22:25 |
Cheesehead | We hope to share the best practices and lessons learned from across the community. I suspect the forums have a lot of both to share. | 22:25 |
akgraner | s-fox - I am tied up for a while longer can we just chat tomorrow? Rather you have to wait for me - I'll add to NRWlion wiki page as well | 22:26 |
* Cheesehead departs | 22:27 | |
s-fox | When do you propose? | 22:27 |
akgraner | I'll be gone from 1100 UTC until 1600 UTC | 22:29 |
akgraner | so anytime between 1600 UTC - 1900 UTC then 2100 UTC- forward | 22:30 |
NRWlion | folks i will be online from 2000 UTC till 22 UTC because i have two 24 hr shifts coming up this week | 22:30 |
s-fox | 2200 UTC is when I expect to be available akgraner . | 22:31 |
akgraner | great - then let's shoot for that then | 22:31 |
akgraner | I'll add it to my calendar - thanks s-fox... | 22:32 |
s-fox | Goodbye. | 22:33 |
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