[05:47] <YoBoY> good morning
[05:52] <philipballew> good evening
[08:05] <NRWlion> hey there
[15:05] <NRWlion> hey there
[15:07] <akgraner> hey
[15:07] <akgraner> YoBoy - can you give me the link to the French translation of UWN
[15:08] <akgraner> I'd like to look at the previous/next text you all use on your pages
[15:08]  * akgraner goes back to UWN summaries :-)
[15:08] <YoBoY> it's not on the french translation of uwn we use that
[15:09] <akgraner> ahh I misunderstood then...oops
[15:09] <YoBoY> we actualy are not translating uwn since... better not look at it ^^"
[15:09] <akgraner> hehe no worries
[15:09] <akgraner> do you have previous and next on any of your wiki pages?
[15:09] <YoBoY> we use it on our frnech documentation http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/oneiric <<
[15:09] <akgraner> ahhh ok
[15:09] <akgraner> great
[15:10] <akgraner> just adding looking into it on my todo list and needed a place to start :-)
[15:10] <akgraner> YoBoY, thank you!
[15:10] <YoBoY> but be carreful, it's not a moinmoin wiki, it's a dokuwiki, not the same syntax
[15:10] <YoBoY> (and I have a css bug to fix xD )
[15:11] <NRWlion> anything to do here?
[15:11] <NRWlion> :D
[15:11] <YoBoY> NRWlion: hugs to everyone :)
[15:15]  * philipballew wonders the same
[15:15]  * NRWlion hugs every1 in the room
[15:16] <NRWlion> akgraner: did you see my comment on the leadership doc on google docs?
[15:17] <akgraner> yep - just haven't gotten there yet today :-)
[15:18] <akgraner> philipballew, I haven't started the spread sheet yet if you want to set that up...
[15:18] <akgraner> or would you rather I did - I'm a little behind...heck one second  - I'll snag you the link
[15:18] <akgraner> or rather a link
[15:20] <philipballew> akgraner, alright. i can look at it today.
[15:21] <akgraner> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtKZelXU8Y2LdHluVk1BSXlPMDdfT3lVUEZhS211QUE&hl=en_US
[15:22] <akgraner> feel free to change it  :-)  that's just the basic start
[15:23] <NRWlion> akgraner: if approved i'd like to give some comments on that spreadsheet too
[15:24] <akgraner> no need to be approved :-)  just jump in :-)
[15:24] <akgraner> all feedback is welcome and encourage
[15:25] <akgraner> just wanted to work on finding resources we can point people to and use ourselves when adapting a skill set to the Ubuntu Community etc
[15:26]  * akgraner heads back to summaries :-)
[15:27] <philipballew> well off to my day! ill be bacl on around 5
[15:27] <philipballew> *back
[16:12] <NRWlion> akgraner: may i steal a minute of your time pls?
[16:13] <NRWlion> have some points i'd like to discuss on the leadership skills spreadsheet you linked!
[16:14] <akgraner> I can't right this second trying to get UWN wrapped up before this afternoon.  Can we go over it tomorrow - or later once UWN is out if you are still online and available?
[16:15] <NRWlion> how long will you need to wrap the UWN?
[16:15] <akgraner> at least another hour...pulling the stats now and it will still need to be reviewed by the team
[16:16] <NRWlion> copy that
[16:16] <NRWlion> i will place myself in front of TV now
[16:16] <NRWlion> but i can take my ipad with me to be available
[16:16] <NRWlion> ;)
[16:19] <akgraner> great - thank you
[16:19] <akgraner> will ping you on IRC once I am finished
[17:24] <NRWlion> reporting back
[17:25] <akgraner> NRWlion, ok :-)
[17:25] <akgraner> waiting on a review of UWN now we've got all the information in there
[17:25] <akgraner> so what's up - I saw your comments on the spreadsheet - all of them good points
[17:26] <akgraner> that list is in no particular order
[17:26] <NRWlion> just wanted to give you the opportunity to ask questions
[17:26] <akgraner> and while we would like to prevent burnout we have to acknowledge that right now we have an undercurrent of frustration and burnout in the community
[17:26] <NRWlion> akgraner: as my english isnt the best one i would guarantee to be clear ;)
[17:27] <akgraner> ahh I understood - your English is awesome!
[17:28] <NRWlion> do my comments fit ? i mean are they helpful for you guys to work on?
[17:28] <akgraner> We need to move things around some and put them in a better order - you have a lot of amazing insight on this..
[17:28] <akgraner> NRWlion, they are great!
[17:29] <akgraner> feel free to add any comments you think of - between now and UDS we are trying to get as much information gathered and some put somewhere so we can emerge from UDS with a solid plan for the -P (Ubuntu 12.04 LTS) cycle
[17:31] <NRWlion> akgraner: my problem is, i need to be pointed to things you guys need my "expertise" on ;)
[17:32] <NRWlion> akgraner: anything else you want my opinion on?
[17:33] <akgraner> NRWlion, well other than the spreadsheet the other resources are listed in my blog post and I think on the wiki - but I have to double check that though.
[17:34] <NRWlion> akgraner: feel free to drop me a line on jens.leineweber@googlemail.com if you need me
[17:34] <akgraner> will do
[17:34]  * akgraner is thinking
[17:35] <akgraner> NRWlion, do you feel comfortable re-arranging the skill set list to some logical order
[17:35] <NRWlion> akgraner: which one?
[17:36] <akgraner> how about the spread sheet
[17:37] <akgraner> and we'll leave the document as is - a place to add brainstorming thoughts to the list
[17:39] <Cheesehead> What's the link to that spreadsheet? I don't see it among my notes...
[17:40] <akgraner> Cheesehead, that's b/c I just added it :)
[17:40] <akgraner> one second
[17:40] <akgraner> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtKZelXU8Y2LdHluVk1BSXlPMDdfT3lVUEZhS211QUE&hl=en_US#gid=0
[17:40] <Cheesehead> akgraner: Thank you!
[17:41] <NRWlion> Cheesehead: i felt free to put some input of my own into it as my studies are containing a major subject in leadership
[17:41] <akgraner> Cheesehead, you're welcome
[17:41] <NRWlion> ;)
[17:41] <Cheesehead> NRWlion: Thank you for adding!
[17:41] <akgraner> I wanted a place where people could add resource links to the various skill sets listed on the document
[17:42] <akgraner> NRWlion, has some great feedback and I believe is going to put the list via the spreadsheet into a logical order of sorts
[17:42] <NRWlion> Cheesehead: dont thank me before reading my comments ;)
[17:42] <NRWlion> maybe you disagree with me ;)
[17:42] <akgraner> and we'll keep the document for ad hoc brainstorming  - as people think of more skills etc
[17:45] <Cheesehead> NRWlion: My preferred conflict-resolution method involves beverages, pizza, and karaoke. If I disagree, is that method of resoultion okay?
[17:45] <NRWlion> Cheesehead: sorry i dont get you atm?
[17:48] <NRWlion> Cheesehead: what do you mean ?
[17:48]  * Cheesehead is looking over the spreadsheet comments
[17:48]  * NRWlion is a little confused about the beverages thing
[17:49] <Cheesehead> NRWlion: Sorry I said it poorly. I meant to say that disagreements are not a problem
[17:50] <NRWlion> Cheesehead: so what is it then?
[17:50] <akgraner> Cheesehead, I think what NRWlion means is they can be...if not handled correctly
[17:51] <Cheesehead> akgraner: A great summation. Agreed.
[17:51]  * Cheesehead is still catching back up from the weekend activities.
[17:52] <NRWlion> sorry folks but i am still not able to get the point ... and that annoyes me
[17:52] <NRWlion> :D
[17:52]  * Cheesehead is crafting a clearer version...one moment please
[17:53] <akgraner> NRWlion, don't be annoyed...I am sorry if I put an incorrect summation of your point here...
[17:54] <Cheesehead> NRWlion: In the past I have been in lots of groups and on lots of teams. There were people I disagreed with. Usually, we would sit down and have a pizza and beer (beverage) and figure out the problem. We *always* get the problem resolved...
[17:54] <NRWlion> akgraner: dont be ... it simply "annoyes" me not to know with point of my comments your guys are talking about ;)
[17:54] <Cheesehead> ...So I do not forsee any disagreement we cannot work out pretty quickly.
[17:55] <NRWlion> Cheesehead: the point is, that a good leader needs to prevent and incude possible disagreements of his / her co-workers
[17:55] <Cheesehead> An excellent point. Agreed.
[17:56] <akgraner> NRWlion totally agree with you there
[17:56] <NRWlion> and to prevent those disagreements he needs to establish a plan of action
[17:56] <NRWlion> this plan of action needs to fit into the specialities of the team members
[17:56] <akgraner> I think you can't possible plan for everything but being able to look at any given situation from as many points as possible helps
[17:57] <NRWlion> and because you can not know everyones speciality i recommend to have a kind of assessment centre to filter the ones who fit and those who dont
[17:57] <akgraner> NRWlion, sometimes you won't know what those specialties are in the beginning...and the community and community teams are very fluid and undulating in the way people's contributions work...
[17:58] <Cheesehead> Part of recruiting (or orientation) is to figure out what skills and resources people want to contribute.
[17:58] <NRWlion> akgraner: agreed on your point BUT, if you try to establish a transparent plan of action (in this term: establish a transparent way to have the possible teammembers a look on what is needed
[17:59] <akgraner> NRWlion, I think we have to operate in the community as there *is* a place for everyone  - we just have to try to find all those places (or as many as possible) - I think that's called setting the expectations
[17:59] <NRWlion> Cheesehead: that is why i sort a recommend this assessment centre which gives you a proper way on the qualifications
[17:59] <akgraner> we can't tell people what they should think but we can set expectations etc
[17:59] <NRWlion> akgraner: now you got my point *happy*
[18:00] <NRWlion> have you guys ever heard about assessment centres?
[18:00] <Cheesehead> Perhaps not by that name.
[18:00] <Cheesehead> Many concepts have multiple names.
[18:01] <NRWlion> Cheesehead: hang on, maybe i have some online literature about it
[18:01] <akgraner> nope  - but maybe like Cheesehead said there might be another name for it
[18:02] <NRWlion> http://www.psychometric-success.com/assessment-centers/acfaq-what-is.htm
[18:02] <NRWlion> have a read on this link i posted
[18:02] <NRWlion> maybe this clears some of your questions
[18:03]  * Cheesehead is reading...
[18:03] <akgraner> ditto
[18:05] <Cheesehead> I've seem them variously called intake assessments, orientation questionaires, and a few other names.
[18:05] <Cheesehead> I do informal interviewing to get that information.
[18:06] <akgraner> yep- I don't think we would get far in the community with people being assets formally
[18:06] <Cheesehead> One key to new team-members is gaining trust before asking them a bunch of questions. That's why use informal interviweing. The give-and-take and personal relationship builds the trust.
[18:06] <akgraner> I know I would probably not like the idea of that
[18:07] <Cheesehead> akgraner: It could be sold in much frendlier terms...
[18:07] <akgraner> Cheesehead, nods - NRWlion however I think that leaders should know about how to do this informally
[18:07] <akgraner> we all do it...
[18:07] <NRWlion> akgraner: agreed
[18:07] <akgraner> some just better than others
[18:07] <akgraner> I like the resource/reference though
[18:07]  * NRWlion likes the productive environment between akgraner and Cheesehead and himself
[18:08]  * Cheesehead too
[18:08] <akgraner> thanks me too - but everyone in here works like this - just not everyone is in front of IRC at the same times...
[18:10] <NRWlion> akgraner: i am simply happy to have found a team to contribute as an expert after my past here in this community wasnt the best one ... you remember my story, dont you?
[18:10] <NRWlion> that is why i wrote this
[18:10] <Cheesehead> Some kind of intake (including orientation, skill assessment, etc) to new members is definitely part of successful recruiting. Else the new member just walks away bored.
[18:10] <akgraner> I do :-) and thank you for your feedback
[18:11] <akgraner> we'll just have to work it out together...and I think this group should be able to demonstrate that
[18:11] <NRWlion> akgraner: as i am quite busy at the moment could you fill in Cheesehead?
[18:12]  * Cheesehead sees his name and is puzzled. Fill in?
[18:12]  * Cheesehead scrolls back to see what he missed...
[18:12] <NRWlion> Cheesehead: it isnt mentioned in here
[18:13] <NRWlion> the story akgraner and I talked about is back in 2010
[18:13] <NRWlion> and early 2011
[18:14]  * Cheesehead realizes he has been fooled by a wrapped line.
[18:14] <NRWlion> ???
[18:15] <Cheesehead> It was "Fill in X", not "Fill in, X". I'm the recipient, not the participant.
[18:15] <akgraner> he guys brb - need to be afk for a few
[18:15] <Cheesehead> Goodness. What I wrote confused *me*
[18:16] <akgraner> thanks NRWlion and I am glad this team is working out better for you...
[18:16]  * Cheesehead uses a time machine to go back 5 minutes in time and do it all over properly.
[18:17] <akgraner> Cheesehead, share the time machine I'm also in need of one :-)  bbiab...
[18:17] <NRWlion> akgraner: i will change my identity to get rid of the bad memories
[18:18] <Cheesehead> SilverLion is a great name.
[18:18] <SilverLion> :D
[18:20] <SilverLion> starting to write my profiles etc new
[18:21] <SilverLion> Cheesehead: to get to know me better: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/nrwlion-testimonials
[18:23] <Cheesehead> My wiki page is incomplete...I plan to apply in perhaps the spring. But some other stuff is at https://plus.google.com/116428448573403038184
[18:25] <Cheesehead> Oh, something came up. Must go...
[18:25]  * Cheesehead departs for a couple hours
[18:25] <SilverLion> Cheesehead: look for Jens Leineweber on G+ and you will find me ;)
[18:39] <NRWlion> re
[19:21] <NRWlion> aloha i am back after my internet connection crashed ;)
[19:52] <NRWlion> anybody there?
[19:54] <YoBoY> nop
[19:54] <YoBoY> :D
[19:56] <NRWlion> hey yoboy how is everything?
[19:56] <YoBoY> 42
[19:57] <YoBoY> well, fine I think
[19:59] <NRWlion> ;)
[20:03] <akgraner> Thought I'd share with you all - this just ended up in my twitter feed - 12 Most Effective Habits of “Social People” - http://12most.com/2011/08/17/12-effective-habits-social-people-2/
[20:06] <NRWlion> akgraner: while i am working to update my main desktop to the "new" stable lubuntu I will write down some thoughts about leadership ... but attention these are my personal opinion and not founded with resources to depend on
[20:06] <NRWlion> :D
[20:07] <akgraner> no worries :-) we all have thoughts on Leadership :-)
[20:08] <akgraner> Thank you!
[20:10] <NRWlion> akgraner: here is one more link for you to read (went through my university stuff and found it)
[20:11] <NRWlion> http://ezinearticles.com/?Whats-It-Takes-To-Be-A-Leader&id=709149
[20:21] <NRWlion> akgraner: need your help
[20:21] <NRWlion> ;)
[20:22] <akgraner> what's up...just published UWN and I have to get one email out....it will be an hour or so before I have some free time
[20:22] <akgraner> but happy to ping you when I am finished - it's a good article...
[20:23] <NRWlion> akgraner: just a simple question: I am asked to apply for ubuntu beginners team and would like to hear your opinion ... you know me a bit now and as we are working together that productively I would love to have a testimonial from you
[20:25] <akgraner> I think you have a lot to offer...I can give a testimonial if you'd like - which area of the BT are you applying for?  Or just overall membership - not sure how it's organized these days
[20:25] <akgraner> NRWlion, where do I need to send the testimonial too?
[20:25] <NRWlion> hang on a sec
[20:26] <NRWlion> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/nrwlion-testimonials << there would be lovely
[20:26] <NRWlion> Cheesehead: ping!
[20:29] <bkerensa> akgraner: <c_smith> +and that we're in the weekly newsletter is awesome! :D
[20:30] <bkerensa> :D
[20:30] <NRWlion> who is "we" bkerensa
[20:30] <bkerensa> Ubuntu Oregon LoCo
[20:31] <NRWlion> bkerensa: kk
[21:08] <NRWlion> yeah ^^ my mentor at ubt just approved my application for Ubuntu Beginners Team
[21:08] <NRWlion> :D
[21:20] <akgraner> sweet - congratulations
[21:20] <NRWlion> akgraner: that is why i need your support for ;)
[21:21] <NRWlion> akgraner: if you have the time (i know you are busy as hell ;) ) i would appreciate it if you could give me a testimonial and talk to the s-fox (my mentor) about our co-op
[21:22] <akgraner> sure - I'll add it to my list - if you don't see anything on your wiki (by 7am EST - my time) then I'll get it after noon my time tomorrow :-)
[21:33] <NRWlion> hey mentor s-fox ;)
[21:34] <NRWlion> akgraner: pls meet the s-fox (my mentor at UBT)
[21:34] <s-fox> Hello.
[21:34] <akgraner> hi s-fox!
[21:34] <akgraner> I read your blog often - thanks for all the interviews btw -)
[21:34] <akgraner> :-)
[21:35] <s-fox> I suppose I should also come in here to find out what this channel is for, though NRWlion  is the main reason I am currently here :)
[21:35]  * NRWlion is flattered ^^
[21:35] <akgraner> great
[21:35] <NRWlion> akgraner: i talk to s-fox about my contribution and mentioned that you would be the perfect person to ask about my work here at the leadership team
[21:35] <s-fox> The forum council got DarkwingDuck's email, I would like to hear more
[21:36] <akgraner> great  - let me get you the link to the wiki where posts about the group have been added
[21:37] <akgraner> s-fox, will you be online and in IRC for a while longer I have to finish an email right quick
[21:37] <akgraner> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuLeadership/Links
[21:37] <s-fox> Okay,until 23:00 UTC I shall be online
[21:39]  * NRWlion stays online that long if needed
[21:40] <s-fox> NRWlion: I said I would add my support ;) I know the time is bad for you
[21:41] <NRWlion> s-fox i am re-installing my main desktop
[21:44] <akgraner> s-fox - NRWlion I'll add a testimonial  - s-fox feel free to join in on the efforts of the leadership team....
[21:44] <akgraner> we need to update the forums thread and add more information it it
[21:44] <akgraner> to it even...
[21:45] <NRWlion> akgraner: which side did you add the testimonial on? i dont see it in my wiki
[21:45] <akgraner> I haven't yet
[21:45] <NRWlion> ah ^^ ok
[21:45] <akgraner> I am in the middle of something
[21:46] <NRWlion> i misinterpreted the I'll into a I've
[21:46] <NRWlion> :D
[21:46] <akgraner> no worries
[21:46] <s-fox> akgraner: we created the sub forum at DarkwingDuck 's request, no threads have been created in it.  http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=411
[21:46] <akgraner> s-fox yep I just realized that today :-(
[21:47] <akgraner> I'll add that to my to do list and get it updated...
[21:48] <akgraner> then find someone to help keep it updated...:-)  Just a busy time for everyone right now with 11.10 about to be released...
[21:49] <s-fox> akgraner:  Do you have a forums account?
[21:49] <NRWlion> s-fox need help with the ubuntu forums as well :(
[21:49] <NRWlion> my passwort and email isnt recognized
[21:49] <s-fox> I will have a look NRWlion
[21:49] <NRWlion> thx man
[21:51] <akgraner> s-fox yep I post UWN :-)
[21:52] <s-fox> NRWlion:  Taken care of.
[21:53] <s-fox> akgraner:  So, what can the forum council help the ubuntu leadership project with?
[21:53] <NRWlion> kk thx
[21:56] <akgraner> DarkwingDuck, or Cheesehead can you assist s-fox please it's going to be a few minutes before I can answer...
[22:03]  * Cheesehead returns
[22:03] <Cheesehead> Scrolling back...
[22:05] <Cheesehead> Hello, s-fox. Thanks for coming by.
[22:07] <Cheesehead> Seems like my forum account works properly.
[22:09] <Cheesehead> s-fox: The forum council can help us in a few ways. First, by providing feedback.
[22:09] <s-fox> On what exactly do you want feedback on?
[22:10] <Cheesehead> Great question - trying to say it just right...one moment please...
[22:11] <Cheesehead> Ack. So much to say, and a few distractions here...
[22:12] <NRWlion> am i needed here ?
[22:12] <NRWlion> otherwise i would love to see my pillow ;)
[22:13] <Cheesehead> NRWlion: Your input is always welcome, but I undersand the call of the night very well. You're busy - get some rest.
[22:13] <NRWlion> s-fox you need my for now? or are we clear about my application?
[22:14] <NRWlion> @ Cheesehead: s-fox is my mentor for ubuntu-beginners-team and working on my application for membership
[22:15] <s-fox> Cheesehead:  I am here for 2 reasons.
[22:16] <s-fox> First to hear from akgraner about how NRWlion  has been helping this project and second, to find out how the forum council can assist.
[22:16] <Cheesehead> I can talk the second reason.
[22:16] <Cheesehead> The forum community, from my outsider persective, seems cohesive and consistent.
[22:16] <Cheesehead> Good moderation.
[22:17] <NRWlion> Cheesehead: you can talk the first reason too ^^ you have seen my comments and stuff didnt you?
[22:17] <NRWlion> :D
[22:18]  * Cheesehead laughs
[22:18] <Cheesehead> I certainly can.
[22:18] <Cheesehead> I have about 10 minutes before I must leave this location, so to business!
[22:19] <Cheesehead> Does the forum council, or leaders in the forums community, talk much about good leaders or leadership?
[22:19] <NRWlion> well then go for it ^^
[22:21] <s-fox> To an extent, yes Cheesehead .
[22:22] <s-fox> The forum moderators and administrators often talk about how to best handle some situations that occur.
[22:22] <s-fox> Good leadership falls under good advice
[22:23] <Cheesehead> It shows. Whenever I see moderation (rarely), it's consistent and effective, no matter who the mod is.
[22:24]  * Cheesehead is suddenly deluged by a couple unexpected events
[22:24] <Cheesehead> My apologies, I must step out for a couple hours again.
[22:25] <Cheesehead> Happy to pick this up again at your convenience.
[22:25] <s-fox> Some moderators wait for input from others before acting
[22:25] <s-fox> I am likely to be gone by the time you return. I will continue to wait for akgraner
[22:25] <Cheesehead> We hope to share the best practices and lessons learned from across the community. I suspect the forums have a lot of both to share.
[22:26] <akgraner> s-fox - I am tied up for a while longer can we just chat tomorrow?  Rather you have to wait for me - I'll add to NRWlion wiki page as well
[22:27]  * Cheesehead departs
[22:27] <s-fox> When do you propose?
[22:29] <akgraner> I'll be gone from 1100 UTC until 1600 UTC
[22:30] <akgraner> so anytime between 1600 UTC  - 1900 UTC then 2100  UTC- forward
[22:30] <NRWlion> folks i will be online from 2000 UTC till 22 UTC because i have two 24 hr shifts coming up this week
[22:31] <s-fox> 2200 UTC is when I expect to be available akgraner .
[22:31] <akgraner> great  - then let's shoot for that then
[22:32] <akgraner> I'll add it to my calendar - thanks s-fox...
[22:33] <s-fox> Goodbye.