[05:47] good morning [05:52] good evening [08:05] hey there [15:05] hey there [15:07] hey [15:07] YoBoy - can you give me the link to the French translation of UWN [15:08] I'd like to look at the previous/next text you all use on your pages [15:08] * akgraner goes back to UWN summaries :-) [15:08] it's not on the french translation of uwn we use that [15:09] ahh I misunderstood then...oops [15:09] we actualy are not translating uwn since... better not look at it ^^" [15:09] hehe no worries [15:09] do you have previous and next on any of your wiki pages? [15:09] we use it on our frnech documentation http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/oneiric << [15:09] ahhh ok [15:09] great [15:10] just adding looking into it on my todo list and needed a place to start :-) [15:10] YoBoY, thank you! [15:10] but be carreful, it's not a moinmoin wiki, it's a dokuwiki, not the same syntax [15:10] (and I have a css bug to fix xD ) [15:11] anything to do here? [15:11] :D [15:11] NRWlion: hugs to everyone :) [15:15] * philipballew wonders the same [15:15] * NRWlion hugs every1 in the room [15:16] akgraner: did you see my comment on the leadership doc on google docs? [15:17] yep - just haven't gotten there yet today :-) [15:18] philipballew, I haven't started the spread sheet yet if you want to set that up... [15:18] or would you rather I did - I'm a little behind...heck one second - I'll snag you the link [15:18] or rather a link [15:20] akgraner, alright. i can look at it today. [15:21] https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtKZelXU8Y2LdHluVk1BSXlPMDdfT3lVUEZhS211QUE&hl=en_US [15:22] feel free to change it :-) that's just the basic start [15:23] akgraner: if approved i'd like to give some comments on that spreadsheet too [15:24] no need to be approved :-) just jump in :-) [15:24] all feedback is welcome and encourage [15:25] just wanted to work on finding resources we can point people to and use ourselves when adapting a skill set to the Ubuntu Community etc [15:26] * akgraner heads back to summaries :-) [15:27] well off to my day! ill be bacl on around 5 [15:27] *back [16:12] akgraner: may i steal a minute of your time pls? [16:13] have some points i'd like to discuss on the leadership skills spreadsheet you linked! [16:14] I can't right this second trying to get UWN wrapped up before this afternoon. Can we go over it tomorrow - or later once UWN is out if you are still online and available? [16:15] how long will you need to wrap the UWN? [16:15] at least another hour...pulling the stats now and it will still need to be reviewed by the team [16:16] copy that [16:16] i will place myself in front of TV now [16:16] but i can take my ipad with me to be available [16:16] ;) [16:19] great - thank you [16:19] will ping you on IRC once I am finished [17:24] reporting back [17:25] NRWlion, ok :-) [17:25] waiting on a review of UWN now we've got all the information in there [17:25] so what's up - I saw your comments on the spreadsheet - all of them good points [17:26] that list is in no particular order [17:26] just wanted to give you the opportunity to ask questions [17:26] and while we would like to prevent burnout we have to acknowledge that right now we have an undercurrent of frustration and burnout in the community [17:26] akgraner: as my english isnt the best one i would guarantee to be clear ;) [17:27] ahh I understood - your English is awesome! [17:28] do my comments fit ? i mean are they helpful for you guys to work on? [17:28] We need to move things around some and put them in a better order - you have a lot of amazing insight on this.. [17:28] NRWlion, they are great! [17:29] feel free to add any comments you think of - between now and UDS we are trying to get as much information gathered and some put somewhere so we can emerge from UDS with a solid plan for the -P (Ubuntu 12.04 LTS) cycle [17:31] akgraner: my problem is, i need to be pointed to things you guys need my "expertise" on ;) [17:32] akgraner: anything else you want my opinion on? [17:33] NRWlion, well other than the spreadsheet the other resources are listed in my blog post and I think on the wiki - but I have to double check that though. [17:34] akgraner: feel free to drop me a line on jens.leineweber@googlemail.com if you need me [17:34] will do [17:34] * akgraner is thinking [17:35] NRWlion, do you feel comfortable re-arranging the skill set list to some logical order [17:35] akgraner: which one? [17:36] how about the spread sheet [17:37] and we'll leave the document as is - a place to add brainstorming thoughts to the list [17:39] What's the link to that spreadsheet? I don't see it among my notes... [17:40] Cheesehead, that's b/c I just added it :) [17:40] one second [17:40] https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtKZelXU8Y2LdHluVk1BSXlPMDdfT3lVUEZhS211QUE&hl=en_US#gid=0 [17:40] akgraner: Thank you! [17:41] Cheesehead: i felt free to put some input of my own into it as my studies are containing a major subject in leadership [17:41] Cheesehead, you're welcome [17:41] ;) [17:41] NRWlion: Thank you for adding! [17:41] I wanted a place where people could add resource links to the various skill sets listed on the document [17:42] NRWlion, has some great feedback and I believe is going to put the list via the spreadsheet into a logical order of sorts [17:42] Cheesehead: dont thank me before reading my comments ;) [17:42] maybe you disagree with me ;) [17:42] and we'll keep the document for ad hoc brainstorming - as people think of more skills etc [17:45] NRWlion: My preferred conflict-resolution method involves beverages, pizza, and karaoke. If I disagree, is that method of resoultion okay? [17:45] Cheesehead: sorry i dont get you atm? [17:48] Cheesehead: what do you mean ? [17:48] * Cheesehead is looking over the spreadsheet comments [17:48] * NRWlion is a little confused about the beverages thing [17:49] NRWlion: Sorry I said it poorly. I meant to say that disagreements are not a problem [17:50] Cheesehead: so what is it then? [17:50] Cheesehead, I think what NRWlion means is they can be...if not handled correctly [17:51] akgraner: A great summation. Agreed. [17:51] * Cheesehead is still catching back up from the weekend activities. [17:52] sorry folks but i am still not able to get the point ... and that annoyes me [17:52] :D [17:52] * Cheesehead is crafting a clearer version...one moment please [17:53] NRWlion, don't be annoyed...I am sorry if I put an incorrect summation of your point here... [17:54] NRWlion: In the past I have been in lots of groups and on lots of teams. There were people I disagreed with. Usually, we would sit down and have a pizza and beer (beverage) and figure out the problem. We *always* get the problem resolved... [17:54] akgraner: dont be ... it simply "annoyes" me not to know with point of my comments your guys are talking about ;) [17:54] ...So I do not forsee any disagreement we cannot work out pretty quickly. [17:55] Cheesehead: the point is, that a good leader needs to prevent and incude possible disagreements of his / her co-workers [17:55] An excellent point. Agreed. [17:56] NRWlion totally agree with you there [17:56] and to prevent those disagreements he needs to establish a plan of action [17:56] this plan of action needs to fit into the specialities of the team members [17:56] I think you can't possible plan for everything but being able to look at any given situation from as many points as possible helps [17:57] and because you can not know everyones speciality i recommend to have a kind of assessment centre to filter the ones who fit and those who dont [17:57] NRWlion, sometimes you won't know what those specialties are in the beginning...and the community and community teams are very fluid and undulating in the way people's contributions work... [17:58] Part of recruiting (or orientation) is to figure out what skills and resources people want to contribute. [17:58] akgraner: agreed on your point BUT, if you try to establish a transparent plan of action (in this term: establish a transparent way to have the possible teammembers a look on what is needed [17:59] NRWlion, I think we have to operate in the community as there *is* a place for everyone - we just have to try to find all those places (or as many as possible) - I think that's called setting the expectations [17:59] Cheesehead: that is why i sort a recommend this assessment centre which gives you a proper way on the qualifications [17:59] we can't tell people what they should think but we can set expectations etc [17:59] akgraner: now you got my point *happy* [18:00] have you guys ever heard about assessment centres? [18:00] Perhaps not by that name. [18:00] Many concepts have multiple names. [18:01] Cheesehead: hang on, maybe i have some online literature about it [18:01] nope - but maybe like Cheesehead said there might be another name for it [18:02] http://www.psychometric-success.com/assessment-centers/acfaq-what-is.htm [18:02] have a read on this link i posted [18:02] maybe this clears some of your questions [18:03] * Cheesehead is reading... [18:03] ditto [18:05] I've seem them variously called intake assessments, orientation questionaires, and a few other names. [18:05] I do informal interviewing to get that information. [18:06] yep- I don't think we would get far in the community with people being assets formally [18:06] One key to new team-members is gaining trust before asking them a bunch of questions. That's why use informal interviweing. The give-and-take and personal relationship builds the trust. [18:06] I know I would probably not like the idea of that [18:07] akgraner: It could be sold in much frendlier terms... [18:07] Cheesehead, nods - NRWlion however I think that leaders should know about how to do this informally [18:07] we all do it... [18:07] akgraner: agreed [18:07] some just better than others [18:07] I like the resource/reference though [18:07] * NRWlion likes the productive environment between akgraner and Cheesehead and himself [18:08] * Cheesehead too [18:08] thanks me too - but everyone in here works like this - just not everyone is in front of IRC at the same times... [18:10] akgraner: i am simply happy to have found a team to contribute as an expert after my past here in this community wasnt the best one ... you remember my story, dont you? [18:10] that is why i wrote this [18:10] Some kind of intake (including orientation, skill assessment, etc) to new members is definitely part of successful recruiting. Else the new member just walks away bored. [18:10] I do :-) and thank you for your feedback [18:11] we'll just have to work it out together...and I think this group should be able to demonstrate that [18:11] akgraner: as i am quite busy at the moment could you fill in Cheesehead? [18:12] * Cheesehead sees his name and is puzzled. Fill in? [18:12] * Cheesehead scrolls back to see what he missed... [18:12] Cheesehead: it isnt mentioned in here [18:13] the story akgraner and I talked about is back in 2010 [18:13] and early 2011 [18:14] * Cheesehead realizes he has been fooled by a wrapped line. [18:14] ??? [18:15] It was "Fill in X", not "Fill in, X". I'm the recipient, not the participant. [18:15] he guys brb - need to be afk for a few [18:15] Goodness. What I wrote confused *me* [18:16] thanks NRWlion and I am glad this team is working out better for you... [18:16] * Cheesehead uses a time machine to go back 5 minutes in time and do it all over properly. [18:17] Cheesehead, share the time machine I'm also in need of one :-) bbiab... [18:17] akgraner: i will change my identity to get rid of the bad memories === NRWlion is now known as SilverLion [18:18] SilverLion is a great name. [18:18] :D [18:20] starting to write my profiles etc new [18:21] Cheesehead: to get to know me better: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/nrwlion-testimonials [18:23] My wiki page is incomplete...I plan to apply in perhaps the spring. But some other stuff is at https://plus.google.com/116428448573403038184 [18:25] Oh, something came up. Must go... [18:25] * Cheesehead departs for a couple hours [18:25] Cheesehead: look for Jens Leineweber on G+ and you will find me ;) [18:39] re [19:21] aloha i am back after my internet connection crashed ;) [19:52] anybody there? [19:54] nop [19:54] :D [19:56] hey yoboy how is everything? [19:56] 42 [19:57] well, fine I think [19:59] ;) [20:03] Thought I'd share with you all - this just ended up in my twitter feed - 12 Most Effective Habits of “Social People” - http://12most.com/2011/08/17/12-effective-habits-social-people-2/ [20:06] akgraner: while i am working to update my main desktop to the "new" stable lubuntu I will write down some thoughts about leadership ... but attention these are my personal opinion and not founded with resources to depend on [20:06] :D [20:07] no worries :-) we all have thoughts on Leadership :-) [20:08] Thank you! [20:10] akgraner: here is one more link for you to read (went through my university stuff and found it) [20:11] http://ezinearticles.com/?Whats-It-Takes-To-Be-A-Leader&id=709149 [20:21] akgraner: need your help [20:21] ;) [20:22] what's up...just published UWN and I have to get one email out....it will be an hour or so before I have some free time [20:22] but happy to ping you when I am finished - it's a good article... [20:23] akgraner: just a simple question: I am asked to apply for ubuntu beginners team and would like to hear your opinion ... you know me a bit now and as we are working together that productively I would love to have a testimonial from you [20:25] I think you have a lot to offer...I can give a testimonial if you'd like - which area of the BT are you applying for? Or just overall membership - not sure how it's organized these days [20:25] NRWlion, where do I need to send the testimonial too? [20:25] hang on a sec [20:26] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/nrwlion-testimonials << there would be lovely [20:26] Cheesehead: ping! [20:29] akgraner: <c_smith> +and that we're in the weekly newsletter is awesome! :D [20:30] :D [20:30] who is "we" bkerensa [20:30] Ubuntu Oregon LoCo [20:31] bkerensa: kk [21:08] yeah ^^ my mentor at ubt just approved my application for Ubuntu Beginners Team [21:08] :D [21:20] sweet - congratulations [21:20] akgraner: that is why i need your support for ;) [21:21] akgraner: if you have the time (i know you are busy as hell ;) ) i would appreciate it if you could give me a testimonial and talk to the s-fox (my mentor) about our co-op [21:22] sure - I'll add it to my list - if you don't see anything on your wiki (by 7am EST - my time) then I'll get it after noon my time tomorrow :-) [21:33] hey mentor s-fox ;) [21:34] akgraner: pls meet the s-fox (my mentor at UBT) [21:34] Hello. [21:34] hi s-fox! [21:34] I read your blog often - thanks for all the interviews btw -) [21:34] :-) [21:35] I suppose I should also come in here to find out what this channel is for, though NRWlion is the main reason I am currently here :) [21:35] * NRWlion is flattered ^^ [21:35] great [21:35] akgraner: i talk to s-fox about my contribution and mentioned that you would be the perfect person to ask about my work here at the leadership team [21:35] The forum council got DarkwingDuck's email, I would like to hear more [21:36] great - let me get you the link to the wiki where posts about the group have been added [21:37] s-fox, will you be online and in IRC for a while longer I have to finish an email right quick [21:37] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuLeadership/Links [21:37] Okay,until 23:00 UTC I shall be online [21:39] * NRWlion stays online that long if needed [21:40] NRWlion: I said I would add my support ;) I know the time is bad for you [21:41] s-fox i am re-installing my main desktop [21:44] s-fox - NRWlion I'll add a testimonial - s-fox feel free to join in on the efforts of the leadership team.... [21:44] we need to update the forums thread and add more information it it [21:44] to it even... [21:45] akgraner: which side did you add the testimonial on? i dont see it in my wiki [21:45] I haven't yet [21:45] ah ^^ ok [21:45] I am in the middle of something [21:46] i misinterpreted the I'll into a I've [21:46] :D [21:46] no worries [21:46] akgraner: we created the sub forum at DarkwingDuck 's request, no threads have been created in it. http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=411 [21:46] s-fox yep I just realized that today :-( [21:47] I'll add that to my to do list and get it updated... [21:48] then find someone to help keep it updated...:-) Just a busy time for everyone right now with 11.10 about to be released... [21:49] akgraner: Do you have a forums account? [21:49] s-fox need help with the ubuntu forums as well :( [21:49] my passwort and email isnt recognized [21:49] I will have a look NRWlion [21:49] thx man [21:51] s-fox yep I post UWN :-) [21:52] NRWlion: Taken care of. [21:53] akgraner: So, what can the forum council help the ubuntu leadership project with? [21:53] kk thx [21:56] DarkwingDuck, or Cheesehead can you assist s-fox please it's going to be a few minutes before I can answer... [22:03] * Cheesehead returns [22:03] Scrolling back... [22:05] Hello, s-fox. Thanks for coming by. [22:07] Seems like my forum account works properly. [22:09] s-fox: The forum council can help us in a few ways. First, by providing feedback. [22:09] On what exactly do you want feedback on? [22:10] Great question - trying to say it just right...one moment please... [22:11] Ack. So much to say, and a few distractions here... [22:12] am i needed here ? [22:12] otherwise i would love to see my pillow ;) [22:13] NRWlion: Your input is always welcome, but I undersand the call of the night very well. You're busy - get some rest. [22:13] s-fox you need my for now? or are we clear about my application? [22:14] @ Cheesehead: s-fox is my mentor for ubuntu-beginners-team and working on my application for membership [22:15] Cheesehead: I am here for 2 reasons. [22:16] First to hear from akgraner about how NRWlion has been helping this project and second, to find out how the forum council can assist. [22:16] I can talk the second reason. [22:16] The forum community, from my outsider persective, seems cohesive and consistent. [22:16] Good moderation. [22:17] Cheesehead: you can talk the first reason too ^^ you have seen my comments and stuff didnt you? [22:17] :D [22:18] * Cheesehead laughs [22:18] I certainly can. [22:18] I have about 10 minutes before I must leave this location, so to business! [22:19] Does the forum council, or leaders in the forums community, talk much about good leaders or leadership? [22:19] well then go for it ^^ [22:21] To an extent, yes Cheesehead . [22:22] The forum moderators and administrators often talk about how to best handle some situations that occur. [22:22] Good leadership falls under good advice [22:23] It shows. Whenever I see moderation (rarely), it's consistent and effective, no matter who the mod is. [22:24] * Cheesehead is suddenly deluged by a couple unexpected events [22:24] My apologies, I must step out for a couple hours again. [22:25] Happy to pick this up again at your convenience. [22:25] Some moderators wait for input from others before acting [22:25] I am likely to be gone by the time you return. I will continue to wait for akgraner [22:25] We hope to share the best practices and lessons learned from across the community. I suspect the forums have a lot of both to share. [22:26] s-fox - I am tied up for a while longer can we just chat tomorrow? Rather you have to wait for me - I'll add to NRWlion wiki page as well [22:27] * Cheesehead departs [22:27] When do you propose? [22:29] I'll be gone from 1100 UTC until 1600 UTC [22:30] so anytime between 1600 UTC - 1900 UTC then 2100 UTC- forward [22:30] folks i will be online from 2000 UTC till 22 UTC because i have two 24 hr shifts coming up this week [22:31] 2200 UTC is when I expect to be available akgraner . [22:31] great - then let's shoot for that then [22:32] I'll add it to my calendar - thanks s-fox... [22:33] Goodbye.